1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you so much for 3 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: tuning in. We've got some hectic energy today. We've got 4 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: some good vibes going on. Uh, we're gonna have a 5 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: riotous uh time. Yeah, we probably it was probably ill 6 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: advised for us to snore all that BC powder before 7 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: we started today. Let's think, right, I agree with you? Then? 8 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: Oh yes, Noel, I agree with you. There's our super producer, 9 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram, who supports us despite our frankly problematic beast 10 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: e powder habits, our behavior in general, it really is 11 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: is not on uh abhor it abhorent exactly. We are abominations, 12 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: if you will, podcast abominations. Uh. But you know what, 13 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: today we're gonna have a good old fashioned straw hat 14 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: riot riot. You don't have to do anything that would 15 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: be Super Producer Casey Pegram was pointing out just before 16 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: the show that whenever there's uh, you know, anything riot 17 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: two words, immediately your brain goes to the famed cherry 18 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: popping Daddy's seminal what do you Do? He called swing 19 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: dance hit? Well was it though? Because it was post 20 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: Brian sets or orchestra. Well he was like a harbinger. 21 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: It was a re revival, is what it was, right, 22 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: because there was the revival was I mean even love 23 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Cats by the Cure as kind of uh a swing song. 24 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: Robert Smith got there before, and then Brian Sets, Sir, 25 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: and then Cherry poppin Dad these there was another Daddy's. 26 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: There was a big bad voodoo Daddy. I had their 27 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: had their now squirrel nut Zipper kind of no, no, 28 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: I know, don't let let me finish. They they I 29 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: would not rank as swing revivals, but the studios and 30 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: especially outlets like MTV wanted to package them together. They 31 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: were weirder though, Yeah, well they were more. Uh. I 32 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: don't far be it from me to accuse any of 33 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: the swing musicians of being somewhat insincere, But squirrel nut 34 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: Zippers they were in it. They were of it. They 35 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: were like, why should I buy CDs when I wanted it? Yeah? 36 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: Question by c d s when I already have a grammophone. Exactly. 37 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: We record exclusively on wax cylinders, sir, or Madam record executive. 38 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: And that's the thing about it, to your note about revivals, 39 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: that's the thing I love about revivals, because once you 40 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: have one, it's always still it's now. It's just a 41 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: continual version of revival. We're acting. They're distinct, but they're 42 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: just positive between. It's like once you start clapping until 43 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: you die, you're never not clapping. They're just pauses between 44 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: when you're clapping. Once you pop, you can't stop. I know, 45 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: pringles right just so, And you know what else can 46 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: have revivals been with fashion? Hey, turn to the left. 47 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: You don't have to. You can turn to the right 48 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: if you wish. But it's true. Fashion has revivals and 49 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: it can be you know, might be considered a fad 50 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: for a minute, but then if it really takes off, 51 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: it takes hold, that gets this clause into the zeitgeist, 52 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: it really becomes a full blown revival. And that's kind 53 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: of what we see. Um, I don't know, maybe I'm 54 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: maybe I'm overset in the case a little bit. But 55 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: with the straw hat riots of nineteen twenty two, which 56 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: is a real thing. You don't just have to believe us, 57 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: but we will prove it to you. Yeah. Fashion. Fashion 58 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 1: is a complex, multilayered means of aesthetic expression, but it's 59 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: also a means of social identification right even back to 60 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: like if you think the fashion rules about when to 61 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: wear white shoes and such are are strange and complicated, 62 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: now we have to consider that throughout human civilization there 63 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: have been real legal fashion crimes, like wearing purple when 64 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: you're not royalty, having the wrong haircut, which which is 65 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: the deal with labor day? And white? You're not supposed 66 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: to wear before? Or is it after? I always get 67 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know why. Is it only shoes 68 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: or is it any white? I I just I think 69 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: it's shoes, but I I don't know. I U. I 70 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: learned that rule is how unplugged I am from fashion friends. 71 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: I learned that rule by watching a film called Serial 72 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: Mom who it's about a mom who's also a serial killer. 73 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: That's yeah, I thought it was cool. And that's when 74 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: I learned something about when you wear when you should wear? Uh, 75 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: white shoes? What is it? I typed in into Google 76 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: instant doing its job as usual as listening. I typed 77 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: in white shoes A and we immediately get the Google 78 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: Instant too. White shoes after labor day, white shoes after 79 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: labor day? Movie third one, white shoes after labor Day cereal. 80 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: Um great, google gets. I think she murders somebody for 81 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: wearing white shoes after Labor Day because she's a she's 82 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: a real stickler for these fashion rules. She's kind of 83 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: type A. And that's what today's show is about. It's 84 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: about fashion rules. Yes, yeah, so hats used to be 85 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: a way bigger deal than they are now. Right, and 86 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: we want to read just an excerpt from the New 87 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: York Times articles. So it's pretty good, you have it. Okay, 88 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: I'll do this when you do that next one. Uh, 89 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: gangs of young hoodlands ran Riot and various parts of 90 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: the city last night, smashing on seasonable straw hats and 91 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: tramplaining them in the street. In some cases, mobs of 92 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: hundreds of boys and young men terrorized whole box. Stop 93 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: the presses, who's that. It's not Vicky Vale, it's unseasonable 94 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: straw hats coming in. Yeah. That's the part that made 95 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: me chuckle, is like, these are some pedantic young hooligans, 96 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: aren't they. As you can tell right from the onset 97 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: that this was an issue of them being appalled in 98 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: some way by someone wearing the hat out of season 99 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: by just a couple of days, right, that's the important part. See, 100 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: we figured out what was happening thanks to thanks to 101 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: some fantastic articles, one of which was on History Naked 102 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: dot com straw hat Riots of And it turns out 103 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: that there was this rigorous tradition amongst the male members 104 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: of the population at the end of the nineteenth century 105 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: and into the beginning of the twenty and it was 106 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 1: all centered on dressing and what was deemed appropriate for 107 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: this season. This makes sense because there wasn't central a 108 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: c or heating, right. Sure, I'm picturing you know, boat shoes, uh, 109 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: light docker shorts. No, this probably isn't true, but we 110 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: do have are these very light and airy straw hats 111 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: and maybe a nas learen sup nice lien SUCs. That's right, 112 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: they wouldn't. Shorts would have been way too untoward. You 113 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: couldn't have out in a way with shorts. You probably 114 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: would have been stoned to death in the streets, which 115 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite pastimes, as you know from 116 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: MAVs episode. But yeah, straw hats it was very much 117 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: fashionable to wear during the summer months. Um, both fashionable 118 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: and comfortable because it would shade you from the sun 119 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: and it wasn't the thick kind of felt hats that 120 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: you'd wear during the more wintry times of the year 121 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: that were also considered very fashionable. Um, but here's the thing. 122 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: After the fifteen of September, Uh, it was essentially fashion mandate, 123 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: unwritten fashion mandate to switch to those heavier felt hats. Yeah, 124 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: this is this is strange, right, because no one was 125 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: considered fully clothed essentially without a hat, and you would 126 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: wear a felt hat until May fifteen. And after May 127 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: fifteen you could switch to the straw hat and that 128 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: would be fine. In September, you have to put away 129 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: your straw hat. You have to break out the felt 130 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: hat again. And will betide those who do not follow 131 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: this rule. Yeah, you're essentially opening yourself up to a 132 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: light mugging or at the very least, you know, being 133 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: accosted by young fashion conscious Ruffians who really started taking 134 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: this very seriously, possibly a little too seriously. They were 135 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,679 Speaker 1: described as a group of over eager boys who began 136 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: to do the old swipe and smash, you know, or 137 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: you knock somebody's hat off, a very disrespectful move to 138 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: begin with, not to mention stomping it into the filthy street. Yeah, 139 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't abide by that kind of behavior. My friend, Well, 140 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: I I think the three of us are pretty easy 141 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: going when it comes to how other people want to dress. 142 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: If it makes you feel good, wear it. If you 143 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: flip my hat, I'm gonna we're gonna have a good 144 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: old fashioned throw down. Yeah, the flip, the flippers will 145 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: be flipped. That's what happens, exactly. The script gets flipped always. Yeah, 146 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: you know what, all of those things, this is a 147 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: real combination of factors that lead to an out and 148 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: out street brawl. Um. Because here's the thing. Uh. Initially, 149 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: you know these hooligans were h find a couple of bucks, 150 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: of five bucks. This wouldn't have been you know, a 151 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: paltry sum in those days. Because after all, this is 152 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: a form of assault uh and destruction of private property 153 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: right right right, it's illegal to smash hats. Uh. And 154 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: it's weird because we get a lot of information about 155 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 1: this event from the New York Times. Uh. We we 156 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: have another quote from one magistrate Peter A. Hatting, no 157 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: pun intended, that's his real name. I'm going to take 158 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: the pun as just right and natural. You know, it 159 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: really sets the tone for the story. It is against 160 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: the law to smash him my an's hat, and he 161 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: has a rat to wear it in a January snowstorm 162 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: if he's so wishes. I mean, this judge a bit 163 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: of a little fog horn. Yeah, well you know it's 164 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: it's all the linnen, the fine linen suits. We were 165 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: talking about her. Yeah, and he goes on right. This 166 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: is to me, you could crystallize this quote down to 167 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: like the ultimate uh in righteousness and good like this 168 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: is like this guy laying down the law of what 169 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: it means to be Just to hit a man's hat 170 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: is a simple assault, and in this court it will 171 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: be a treated as such. And I want you to 172 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: spread this wood amongst all who would smash hats. It's 173 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: reminded me of like a Mississippi I love this voice 174 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: is remind me of like a Mississippi five, specifically that 175 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: tent preacher and true detective. He's he's your true face. 176 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: To me, it's more like a Mississippi breeze, you know, 177 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: gently brushing the hair from their forehead. Yeah, Mississippi breze. 178 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: That's the uh. I think that's one of the casey 179 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: pegram lines of signature. Perfumes. I think you're right Mississippi Breeze. 180 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: You know about that sleece. Yes, that is the line. 181 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: So why was this such a big deal. Why was 182 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: The New York Times the most prominent paper in the nation, 183 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: reporting on this so heavily. Well, it's because they sort 184 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: of created the fire, or they definitely stoked the flames 185 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: that would lead to out and out madness in the streets. 186 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: They had said that when they were explaining September, which 187 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: was known as felt Hat Day at the time, they 188 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: said that it was indeed a mandatory thing and that 189 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: any person who wore straw hat after this date may 190 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: even be Bolshevik communal enemy, potential subverter of the social order. Uh, 191 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: that we are populating The New York Times was some 192 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: great character. So people were it was like it was 193 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 1: like the way people treat pleaded pants sometimes, right, It 194 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: was just, uh, it was terrible to wear it. Yeah, 195 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: But I got a question for you, do you is 196 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: it pants? Could you refer to as a pant? You can't? 197 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeh is Stacy London who says a pant? She's a 198 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: fashion a fashion designers say pant. I love a good pant. Yeah. Um, 199 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: a pair of pants that has always struck me as 200 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: odd because you can't really just have one, I mean 201 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: a pair. It's not a pair. A pant would be 202 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: just a single leg. If it's a pair of pants, 203 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: well you've gotta have to pant to make a pair. Well, 204 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: would you say a pair of scissors, I would call 205 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: it a scissor. I don't like a pair of scissors. 206 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 1: If it's just it's a scissor, it's but if you 207 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: detach it, then it's just it's a knife. That's right, right, exactly, 208 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: Just so, Ben, it's a pair of knives bolted together. 209 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: That's what we're going to call scissors from now on. 210 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: There's just a pair of knife. Pair of knives. By 211 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: the way, not to get two d your other. I'm 212 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: really excited when I get home. I've been traveling. When 213 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: I get home, in the mailbox waiting on me my 214 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: first ever Damascus steel kitchen chef's knife. Hey, congrats man, 215 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: thanks Bud. Looking forward to maybe chopping off the tip 216 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: of my finger by accident, like all the pros. Yeah, man, 217 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: you gotta earn it. It's like yakuza rules and home 218 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: chefs and also the other rules. You gotta cook with 219 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: the tip. You don't get to put the tip back on. 220 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: It just goes into your your spaghetti and your spaghetti 221 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: whatever whatever you're making. Question for you, Ben, sure, have 222 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: you heard of a tradition in the U s Senate 223 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: called seal suckle Thursday? I have? Yeah. Is that the 224 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: same as sucker free Sunday? Uh, they're related, Probably they're 225 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: both in English. Tell me about seersucker Thursday. Searsucker Thursday 226 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: is the scene in the US Senate where people wear 227 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: sear sucker suits. They're awesome. I I highly recommend them. 228 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: I cut one myself. What makes it a seer sucker? 229 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: Is that a pattern? Or is it the fabric? You 230 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: know what it's Uh, it's cotton and it's a type 231 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: of I guess weave of cotton. It's also known as 232 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: railroad stripe. Is that right? So it maybe does have 233 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: a bit of a textured appearance to it addestion to 234 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: being breathable and comfortable. And that is an example of 235 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: this kind of focus on uh, seasonal wear and tradition 236 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: that has maintained this day. Searsucker Thursday is a popular 237 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 1: thing in the US Senate. Hats, of course, were a 238 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: big part of this kind of thinking back in the day, Um, 239 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: the hats aren't really so much part of the you know, 240 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: you don't really see senators wearing hats anymore, not not anymore. 241 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: But back then, of course in the twenties, Yeah, everybody 242 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: wore hats. Uh. And the weird thing is this September, 243 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: this felt hat. They no one knows why that day 244 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: was chosen. It just suddenly became a rule, and it really, uh, 245 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: the logic really breaks down when you consider that summer 246 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: doesn't end until September one, so for some arbitrary reason, 247 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: they the Zeitgey said September was the day you could 248 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: no longer wear a straw hat. You know what it 249 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: reminds me of there there's a thing that's kind of 250 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: conspiratorial in the fashion world where apparently, I think once 251 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: a year, once a season, these different luminaries of fashion 252 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: and modeling meet up and they decide which colors are 253 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: going to be the cool colors. Have you heard about that? 254 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I have no doubt that there are these 255 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: private fashion Illuminati type meetings that going to this day. 256 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: I hope they're descended from the people who did this 257 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: bs with these hats. I bet it is. I mean, 258 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: that's exactly what you're saying at the top of the show. 259 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: Bend the idea of fashion curation. It really is an 260 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: almost hierarchical kind of aesthetic thing, whereas look at today, 261 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: like some of the clothes that you know, Gucci and 262 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: Versacci and some of these really luxury fashion lines put forward, 263 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: they're kind of bizarre and ridiculous looking. Let's be honest, 264 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm not functional or comfortable in the least, So this 265 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: kind of goes into that. I mean, heavy suits weren't 266 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: really comfortable, those kind of hats, you know, there was 267 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: a certain stuffiness to it all that maybe meant, you know, 268 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: I am my station dictates that I must constantly be 269 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: a little bit uncomfortable and to lean into staying comfortable 270 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: wearing that straw hat past the point of no return. 271 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: That was an affront this entire arrangement, right, yeah, yeah, 272 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: it reminds me. Did you ever see thirty Rock? Oh? Yeah, yeah? 273 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: Were you a dirty rock fan? Casey? I actually never 274 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: saw it. Oh man, you are infra retreat. Uh. There's 275 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: there's a character played by Alec Baldwin who has a 276 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: great line. Uh. Liz Lemon played by Tina Fey walks 277 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: up and she finds him dressed in a tucks and 278 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: she goes, why are you wearing a tuxedo? And he goes, 279 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: it's after six lemon? What am I a farmer? So 280 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: these kind of people were very vulnerable to these sort 281 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: of these mandates in the world of fashion. And of 282 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: course the idea is pretty pretty obvious. You stick out 283 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: like a sore thumb if you are, uh, still wearing 284 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: your straw hat when autumn starts. People think you don't 285 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: get it, your naive or your a rube. You're kind 286 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: of a dumb dumb And this was taken so seriously 287 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: in multiple US cities that police had to intervene. Pittsburgh 288 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: Press said uh in nineteen ten that police were protecting 289 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: straw lidded pedestrians and it was it was acceptable for stockbrokers, 290 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: like your friends can knock off your hat, yeah, like 291 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, just as a playful kind of josh and 292 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: punch in the shoulder kind of move, right, yeah, yeah, 293 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: But strangers, especially young hoodlums, I say, I say no, sir, 294 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: that will not stand. And that Pittsburgh Press article went 295 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: on to say if the informality should become general, there 296 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: will sure to be a number of obstinate gentlemen, most 297 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: likely with English blood in their vege, who will coolly 298 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: proceed to treat the fund making as a physical assaults 299 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: and defend themselves in a manner which will spoil the 300 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: fun for all concerned. The press at it. You gotta 301 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: love the uh, the casual eurocentric racism here the implication like, well, 302 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: Irish people are gonna be fine with this, you know, 303 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: but watch out, watch out for the English because we 304 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: all know how they are. They're humorless, is what they are, 305 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: and joyless and they they just can't take a joke 306 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: and apparently they're ready to fly off the handle at 307 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: any given mold hot tempered, hot temper, hot blooded. Oh 308 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding English friends out there. We we know 309 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: that you're all coolest cucumbers or prone to anxiety and 310 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: violence just as much as any of us. Here we go, 311 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: glass half full, half empty. Uh yeah, uk, listeners, let 312 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: us know where that stereotype comes from. And uh you know, 313 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: we'll still be your friends if you have a straw hat, 314 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: regardless of what they of the year. It is. So 315 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: that was Pittsburgh, but the straw hat stuff really reaches 316 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: a breaking point in New York and the Big Apple 317 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: because like this is right. So, there's twelve years after 318 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: that Pittsburgh article. The entire time, people have been obeying 319 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: this straw hat rule, and it has become so accepted 320 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: that it's just understood that you can't really walk down 321 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: the street after felt hat day with a straw hat 322 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: without some kid snatching it off, stomping it in front 323 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: of you, and the kid will get away clean. No 324 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: one cares. Let's just point out too that this took 325 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: a hot minute to reach critical mass. Right, it was 326 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: a good twelve years before the this kind of playful 327 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: hat flipping you know, um started, uh that a full 328 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: blown zoot suit riot went into effect. I'm sorry, excuse me, 329 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: straw hat riot. It's tough, casey, you really really messed 330 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: this up on this one. I have brain poisoned. Everybody 331 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: brain poison that's great, case on the cave. So on 332 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: September nineteen twenty two, just two days before this straw 333 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: hat band was supposed to go into effect, young men 334 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: jumped the gun. They started grabbing and stomping the straw 335 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: hats of factory workers in this specific section of Manhattan 336 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: Mulberry Bends. And then the gang tried to do the 337 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: same stunt on a bunch of dockworkers. But dock workers 338 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: like the Wu Tang clan are nothing to f with. 339 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 1: And the men didn't say, oh my god, you got 340 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: our house. What what on earth are we to do? No, 341 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: they started laying hands, they started swinging. A fight broke out, 342 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: a literal street brawl. We know it was in the 343 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: street because we we heard, we read that it stopped traffic. Um. 344 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: You know, no small task, but I don't know, like 345 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: New York traffic moves at the snail's pace anyway. But 346 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: this definitely was a disruption, right. It was on the 347 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: Manhattan Bridge and police um actually had to make arrests, 348 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: break up the what's a good what's a good word 349 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: for for the fracas brew haha, Indeed they had to 350 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: break it up. Um. And I'm sorry this isn't from 351 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: a Mental Flaws article, and I think this is there 352 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: with the words of the writer there a Mental Flaws 353 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: Mark Mancini. Scores of rowdies on the East Side and 354 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: in other parts of the city started smashing hats. Oh 355 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: that's from the Times. That's of course, that that sounded 356 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: like a little bit of anachronistic language. The rowdies, I 357 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: like that. Scores of rowdies on the East Side and 358 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: in other parts of the city started smashing hats. Police 359 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: reserves were called out, straw hat bonfire sports started, uh 360 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: and seven men were convicted of disorderly conduct in the 361 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: men's night court. Okay, full stop there the Men's night Court. 362 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: I love this. I don't know what it is, but 363 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: I just I like the concept of the night court. 364 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm just very pro night court because of that sitcom. 365 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 1: I never really watched a whole bunch of it at 366 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: an age where I could understand it. But man, I 367 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: love that theme song. I think I'm not alone in that. 368 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us say we like sitcoms, 369 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: but we actually just dig the theme song. You know, 370 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: has the theme song goes lyrics? No, No, it's it's 371 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: got the it's it's this really cool instrumental that starts 372 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: with the bass or something like that. Right. Why am 373 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: I thinking? I'm thinking of the Law and Order theme 374 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. That one's pretty bass heavy to write, yeah, 375 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: and that one's got a more serious the diving guitar, Yeah, 376 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: and the you know the law and order of theme 377 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: that we don't use anymore. Stopped coming after as Dick 378 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: Wolf straw hats off. Um, that's not featured in the 379 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: theme at all. It's its own thing. I thought that 380 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: a missed opportunity. It's so cute. Yeah, it's its own cute. 381 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: The first sound is Dick and the second sound is Wolf. 382 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: You know, I want to meet the guy. I want 383 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: to say that I know someone named and I would 384 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: I want to refer to them as the Dick Wolf casey, 385 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: I see you're itching to say something. There's a guy 386 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: on that show. I think he's either a or a writer. Yeah, Speedweeks. 387 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: There's two classic names. Just you know, it's a murderer's 388 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: row of great names on that show. It's in every credit, 389 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 1: like since the beginning of the show. You got your 390 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: Dick Wolf and he got your speed Week. Yeah. Also, 391 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: the guy who composed that theme is a guy named 392 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: Mike Post. If you look at his credits, he's just 393 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: like every memorable theme you can think of for from 394 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: a certain era. He's he's pretty much responsible for. If 395 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: he's still alive, would be fantastic to interview him. He is, Yeah, 396 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: he's still around Wikipedia page right now, do you think 397 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: he did the Perfect Stranger's theme? I mean, it's the 398 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: amazing It's an amazing theme. It's a huge roster of 399 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: of stuff. It's like Lawn Order, Lawn Order, SVU, The 400 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: A Team and YPD, Blue Renegade, Rockford Files, l A Law, 401 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: Quantum Leap, Magnum p I. I love the Quantum Leap. Yeah, Yeah, 402 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: that's great. That's a good one. Oh my gosh, that's 403 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: a really good one. What happened? Man? Sitcomb at themes 404 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: and music like those theme songs used to be so engaging. Ben. 405 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: You know I've been I've been pushing you and bugging 406 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: you about how you gotta watch The Leftovers. This might 407 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: do it for you. Maybe it has a Perfect Stranger's 408 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: tie in and one episode in this in the last 409 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: season they change out the theme song for every episode. 410 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: One episode is the Perfect Stranger's theme song that I 411 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: will definitely watch that episode. No, I'll give it a go. 412 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: I'll give it a go. Um. Okay, but apologies for that, 413 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: for that slight derailment. I'm gonna give us one more 414 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: twist and turn. Gentlemen, what do you think our odds 415 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: of success would be if we wrote to Dick Wolf 416 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: himself and said, hey, we're huge fans. We do uh, 417 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: we do this little podcast and we would love your 418 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: permission to use this awesome sound cue because we talk 419 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: about you all the time. Well, someone did hit us 420 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: up on Facebook, right, and they said that that little 421 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: dung dung sound it's apparently like a preset on a 422 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: on a sampler, so it's you know, arguably you could 423 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: kind of like you know, recreated or something and probably 424 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: be mostly in the clear. I still need to find 425 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: I tried to google it and I couldn't find too 426 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: much on it. But um, whoever whoever told us that, 427 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: thanks for the thanks for the note, and we will 428 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: try to figure it out. Yeah. I gotta say, though, Casey, 429 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: I kind of prefer your Casey fied version though you know, 430 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: it's more personal and as more of a personal touch, 431 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: and I think it just makes the audience and us 432 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: feel closer to you. It's got to be weird for 433 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: people who have not heard the older episodes so they 434 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: only know the new queue. And is that I love 435 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: how you kind of you kind of like done yeah, yeah, 436 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: I uh yeah, I know. Let's let's see if we 437 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: can reach out if we can. I'm sure we can 438 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: figure out a way to do it legally, but it'd 439 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: be nice to have the blessing of the dick Wolf. 440 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: I actually know a couple of folks who have been 441 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: like guest spots on episodes of of Law and Order, 442 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: like back in the early nineties. But honestly, that's like 443 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: every actor in the in the world. Yeah, maybe that's 444 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: it's a particularly special connection. We're of the age now 445 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: where some of our friends, at least some of my 446 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: friends of my peer group are appearing on the Law 447 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: and Order stuff that's still running, like SVU write the 448 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: weird one enormously popular iced tea who has John Mullaney 449 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: points out, is continually baffled every time he learned something 450 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: that people in s VU should already know totally. Isn't 451 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: Vincent den afreda in that one? Or is he in 452 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: another series? There's so many of those. I think he's 453 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: in and see I asked, maybe connected, They're all kind 454 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: of they all bleed together. Now he did it for 455 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: me as Kingpin and the Daredevil Netflix series is quite 456 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: a good job. He was awesome. But straw Hats especially 457 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: doing a good job of getting back to straw Hat. 458 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: Longest diversion ever, but honestly a personal favorite and a 459 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: career highlight. It was worthwhile. I think you know, Casey, 460 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: I am always learning a lot from you. So this 461 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 1: night of September thirt traffic has stopped. There is, as 462 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: you said, Nola's street brawl. The New York Times reports 463 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: the next day on September that straw Hat riots embroiled 464 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: the east Side. And this is where we see that 465 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: quote from Magistrate Hatting again that is his real name, 466 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: And people are calling for civility, calling for an end 467 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: to the violence. They are unsuccessful in this because the 468 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: riots continue the next day, and then the day after 469 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: that they moved from the east Side to the Upper 470 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: west Side. There are some people who say, you know what, 471 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna wear these hats until the fifteen, because that's 472 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: the rule we live in a society. Fight me and 473 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: mobs of hundreds of boys and young men again for 474 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: that quote. They terrorized entire blocks. The kids, the teenagers 475 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: started roaming the streets with sticks that that literally had 476 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: nails on the end. This is just this is some 477 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: next level mischief, is what this is. This is Lord 478 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: of the flaw it is. But but what's what's it 479 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: play here? Ben? Is it a is it a class 480 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: divide situation? Are these youngster is potentially of a lower 481 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: class and they resent the fashionista elites and perhaps that's 482 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: why they're they're just looking at them as easy targets. 483 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: Because I'm not I'm not sensing, I'm not quite clear 484 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: on like what the operating principle is here, Like, I 485 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: think the kids just wanted to mess with some rich 486 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: people and then it got out of hand. Yeah, we 487 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: don't have a lot about the possible class motivations. That's 488 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: what I think makes this sort of shining example of 489 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: ridiculous history. It feels like it just got out of control. 490 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: They just slippery sloped into this box of bananas. Wait wait, 491 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: but we haven't even gotten the police mandated spankings yet. 492 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: That's the thing, alright, So we do want to say 493 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: those uh, those nails on the ends of the sticks, 494 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: they weren't to puncture people's heads. They were to help 495 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: hook the straw hats off. Clearly, of course you're gonna 496 00:28:52,880 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: do that. So police did ultimately intervene, and as you said, um, 497 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: there were kind of gangs of these roving thugs going 498 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: from the east side of the Upper West Side. Um, 499 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: Amsterdam Avenue was supposedly just like the whole block was 500 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: full of you know, straw hat enthusiasts. So here's the thing. 501 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: A lot of these these boys, these were they were kids. 502 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: They were under the age of fifteen. UM, So they 503 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: weren't arrested because they weren't of I don't know, I 504 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: guess he could have sent him to you know, Juvie 505 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: or whatever. But the cops came up with a different 506 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: attack for um, their disciplinary measures, didn't they been Yeah, problematic, 507 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: highly problematic by today's standards. Yeah. Yeah, So a lot 508 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: of these a lot of these anti straw hat people 509 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: were children. They were under age fifteen, and they weren't arrested. Uh. 510 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: Instead they were spanked. That that they were given a thrashing. 511 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: And so we know, and at least a few instances 512 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: that police in New York in the at the height 513 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: of the riots, when they would catch these these scamps, 514 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: the scalawags doing their hat related crime, they would capture 515 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: and probably you know, yank them by the collar of 516 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: their neck and then probably by the ear, possibly by 517 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: the ear, it was that era. And then they would 518 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: invite the fathers of the boys to come to the 519 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: station and spank them instead, you know what I mean, 520 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: Which how humiliating if you're fourteen or fifteen in public, 521 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: a public spanking, right, Yeah, it'd be hard to come 522 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: back from that. But you know, the thing is the 523 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: most impressive to me about this is these uh, these 524 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: young hoods, they seem pretty organized. You know. It really 525 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: was like an act of domestic terrorism. We'll albeit pretty 526 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: you know, low grade domestic terrorism. But like some of 527 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: them would like hide in doorways before like leaping out, 528 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: like some sort of jumping spider boy shaped spider and 529 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: attack the men and knocked their heads off. There was 530 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: a report from Ripley's dot com that man by the 531 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: name of E. C. Jones made the claim that one 532 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: thousand teenagers were participating in a quote roaming mob there 533 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: on Amsterdam Avenue. So it's like, how how are they 534 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: communicating with each other? Was it just like organically it 535 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: just kind of organically happened. It was just something in 536 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: the air that we just have to seat, search and 537 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: destroy these offending straw hats. Again, it's difficult to explain, 538 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: really difficult. It's almost like one of those Salem witch trial. 539 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,959 Speaker 1: It's hysteria is almost you know. I mean, obviously nobody 540 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: was hanged or burned or anything, but it's still a 541 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: little a little strange. It makes me think of that question. 542 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: I believe it may have come from Family Guy, but 543 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: it's origin's ruled the whole question of realistically, if you're 544 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: if you're listening, you're an adult. Realistically, how many five 545 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: year olds do you think you could successfully take in 546 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: a fight? You don't think this through, and I'm not 547 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: none of us are condoning violence against Children's entirely a 548 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: thought experiment, like what if they're six year olds? That 549 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: changes that they're a little more agile. Here's what you do, though, 550 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: find yourself a narrow hallway where they come running at you, 551 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: they can only hit you one at a time, and 552 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: you just kind of punt them. That's what they say 553 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: in Family Guy. No way, no way? Is it? Yeah? 554 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: Are you sure? I just pull that out of my Yeah, yeah, 555 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: that's exactly it's either. Yeah, I think it's exactly what 556 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: they say in Family Guy. Well, that's parallel thinking right there, 557 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: My friends, I have not seen this episode of Family 558 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: I think I think it's Family Guy but that is 559 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: that is in that show the correct answer. And this 560 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: was a real life problem. During the straw hat riots 561 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: didn't have any five year old necessarily, but you know, 562 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: definitely had children. Yes, one man who was twenty five 563 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: was kicked and beaten by these kids so badly that 564 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: he had to go to the hospital. And uh, police 565 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: officers were also victimized. One detective sergeant was his hat 566 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: was stolen and he was trying to chase the kids 567 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: like you dirty scamps, and then he tripped and fell 568 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: into a gutter full of trash. And every time the 569 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: authorities were take up a gang, the kids who scattered 570 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: would just go find another neighborhood and join up with 571 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: more people. This did work out very well for one group, 572 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: one very small group in New York, the hat store owners, 573 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: because I guess everyone needed new hats after they had 574 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: been stomped. I gotta get a felt hat. Oh okay. 575 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: So there was either that or maybe you double down 576 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: and you're like, you know what, no one's gonna stomp 577 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: my straw hat. I'm gonna go buy me a fresh 578 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: eet right now. Um. But as things tend to do, 579 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: fashion moves in cycles, you know, you've got like like 580 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: much like the Cherry Pop and Daddy's and the the 581 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: zoot suit revolution revival um, not not so much revolution, 582 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: that's not correct at all, more of a revival um. 583 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: Straw hats fell out of favor, didn't they. They were 584 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: replaced by things like Panama jack hats, which are infinitely 585 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: less dorky. Uh yeah, because after the straw hat riots 586 00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: twenty two, this hat snatching tradition phenomenon can tinued for 587 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: a few more years. No one died in the nineteen riot, 588 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: but one man was according to reports, one man was 589 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: killed in Nino while he was trying to fight back 590 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: against some hats stompers. And Calvin Coolidge. President Calvin Coolidge 591 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: was spotted one time wearing now try to restrain your 592 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: your your scandal here he was spotted wearing a straw 593 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: hat on September. This got covered on the front page 594 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: of the Times. How dare you Coolidge? Sort of like 595 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: what Obama wore that people just lost their minds. So 596 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: after he so he may have played a role in 597 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: the history here because after he said, you know, after 598 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: he said I'll wear a straw hat when it once 599 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: people eventually started following his example, and hat smashing died out. 600 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: As he said, the Panama hat became much more fashionable. 601 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: And I do want to say that it is tempting 602 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: for us to look back and think, oh, how silly, 603 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: how susy, and how like a young adult or roll 604 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: doll novel this is. But the truth of the matter 605 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: is these arbitrary opinions about fashion, like I believe you 606 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: said earlier to know, they continue today. For instance, h 607 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking of hats stereotypes, and one of the 608 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: big ones is that the Trilby or the Fedora, right, 609 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: has become associated with what are called nice guys on 610 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: the internet. Right. Well, I don't know, it's just is 611 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: the euphemism or it just means kind of like vanilla 612 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: dorky guys, like uh, creepy edge lord, you know what 613 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, Casey, It's yeah, it's it didn't start 614 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: kind of with the whole pickup artist thing and then 615 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: that kind of blood over Mr I thing, and then yeah, 616 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: now it's just sort of like shorthand for I don't know, 617 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: certain kind of guys. I'll tell you where it really 618 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: started was with justin Timberlake. He he really turned the 619 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: Fedora on its hat. He can pull it off. Though, 620 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: I think it's like I think the problem was the 621 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: problem was for people who objected to those hats that 622 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: they needed a quick shorthand way to identify different demographics. 623 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: Right to Casey's point, you name three prime examples. And 624 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: then they also were irritated that people would wear these 625 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: hats but then also be wearing like a T shirt 626 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: and cargo shorts. Again, we fall very much on this 627 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 1: side of letting people do and wear what they want 628 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: as long as they're not hurting someone else. Uh, to 629 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: to do otherwise is just it's just not on. It's 630 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: ridiculous to tell people what they can or cannot wear. 631 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: But thank god, you know, I don't even own a 632 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: straw hat. Do you do? You have a straw hat? 633 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: And I traffic exclusively in baseball hats or trucker hats. 634 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: Case you're not a straw hat guy. No, Although, um, 635 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: there is like a good practical reason for having them 636 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: if you have to do a lot of outdoor work 637 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: or something. So even on like film shoots and that 638 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 1: kind of thing, sometimes you'll see people with straw hats, 639 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: and uh, it's a smart thing to do. Usually it's 640 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: accompanied by giant smears of sunscreen directly under the eye exactly. 641 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: And if you really want to complete the ensemble, you 642 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: get the piece of straw between your teeth. That's kind 643 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: of you know, lean into it. And we want to 644 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: hear your opinion on hats. Uh Are their hats? E love? 645 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 1: Their hats? That you hate? Is the straw hat set 646 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: for a revival just like swing music? What do you 647 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: call that kind of hat that you're wearing this very moment? 648 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 1: Then this is a flat cap, a flat cap sort 649 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: of like the type you'd see a London cabby wearing. Perhaps, yes, Yeah, 650 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: it's the approachable working class UK hats like this was 651 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: a gift, So it's a it's a lucky hat in fact, yes, 652 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: and it seems to be working for you because you 653 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: I've always considered you to be a pretty lucky do. 654 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: It's also kind of similar to the type of hats 655 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: that uh Um Samuel L. Jackson wears, usually of the 656 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: Kangle brand. Yeah, he's also known as scalie caps. Uh 657 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: In the US we call it uh driving cap. My 658 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: favorite name for it probably comes from New Zealand, where 659 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: it's called a cheese cutter. Love it cheese cutter. So 660 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: uh yeah, we want to hear. We want to hear 661 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: about your taste in hats. We want to hear whether 662 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 1: you think the straw hat will return, and we want 663 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: to hear more about your ideas for the silliest riots 664 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: that ever occurred. Uh you can tell us any number 665 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: of ways. We're all over the internet. You can find 666 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. We specifically like to recommend 667 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: our Facebook page ridiculous historians. Sure all you gotta do 668 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: is conjure the names of myself, Ben or Casey Pegraham's 669 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,959 Speaker 1: super producer that he is, or a pun of some kind, 670 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: or just let us know that you're not a Russian 671 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: bot or a bot of any other nationality. We we 672 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: don't discriminate against bots, we just don't want them on 673 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: our Facebook page. You can also find this as individuals 674 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: on social media. I am on Instagram exclusively at how 675 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: Now Noel Brown, and I am on Instagram at Bennon 676 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: bulland you can also find me on Twitter, where I'm 677 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: talking all kinds of trash on at Ben bolland hs W. 678 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: Thanks as always to Alex Williams who composed our track. 679 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: Thanks to you, Casey Pat Group and we're gonna follow 680 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: up on that tip stuff. Thanks to Gabe, of course, 681 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: of course, where would we be without Gabe Loser, our 682 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: research associate. Thanks to Jonathan Strickland, a k a. The 683 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: Quister for constantly keeping us on our toes uh and 684 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: for being gosh. I sound like I'm being very friendly 685 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: towards Jonathan. That's not true. I hate him. I'm kidding. 686 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: He's all in act. He's a good friend of ours. 687 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: But thanks to him for resetting our our count for 688 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: the year, right, that was nice. You didn't have to 689 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: do that. He didn't have to do that. He also 690 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: owns a straw hat. I bet he does. He seems 691 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: like the siding dude. Let's not get off his head. 692 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: Let's do it. What's the next time? M HM. 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