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Speaker 1: You were listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair.

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Speaker 2: Well, tell me about being a vegan.

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Speaker 1: I was a vegan for a while. Yeah, about being

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Speaker 1: a vegan or a vagan, I'm a vague vegan. I

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Speaker 1: was a vague vegan. I mean, I guess my friends

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Speaker 1: would love hearing that, because I sort of suppose I was.

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Speaker 1: I didn't give up eggs. I've been interested in ethical

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Speaker 1: consumerism for a while, so that's what made me go

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Speaker 1: for it for about eighteen months.

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Speaker 2: Which how did you feel? Did you feel? Well?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't great, no for me, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: I ever got it quite right. I was pretty gassy, Ruthie.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that now because we're friends and I'm

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Speaker 1: not vegan anymore, so there's no excuse. But I was

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Speaker 1: pretty gassy, and I just the thing that tipped it

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Speaker 1: for me actually was weirdly. I had to lose weight

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Speaker 1: for a job called The Courier about a man who

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Speaker 1: is imprisoned in Russia and a gulag having been caught

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Speaker 1: trying to get a friend of his out. The highest

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Speaker 1: ranking Soviet official that ever turned informa during the Cold War,

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Speaker 1: called Penkowski, Conor Penkowski. Anyway, in that story, this real man,

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Speaker 1: you know, a salesman with a very portly appearance, went

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Speaker 1: into a Russian guleg for nearly two and a half

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Speaker 1: years and came out in the same clothes of his

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Speaker 1: show trial in Moscow, where he was looking scared but

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Speaker 1: still quite rotund, and he just looked like a different

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Speaker 1: human being. You wouldn't believe that it was the same clothes.

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Speaker 1: Obviously he had a shaved head, but he also just

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Speaker 1: looked skeletal. I thought, I've got to honor this, and

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Speaker 1: we didn't have the budget to SF exit, so I

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Speaker 1: just thought, I've got to honor that. The least I

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Speaker 1: could do. He went through a gooleg for two and a.

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Speaker 2: Half years, so I didn't have to. But it's amazing

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Speaker 2: that you did.

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Speaker 1: And I was lucky enough to be producing that one.

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Speaker 2: You did, thank you.

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Speaker 1: But I was lucky enough to produce it, so I

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Speaker 1: guess I had a little bit of a you know,

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Speaker 1: a leeway to make it work with down tools for

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Speaker 1: three months. And the vegan diet was perfect. It was

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Speaker 1: really perfect, but I did a lot. I did it

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Speaker 1: really healthy. I didn't stop eating. I didn't eat a

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Speaker 1: tiny bit less near the end. But the point is

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of exercise, cold water swimming, kind

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Speaker 1: of stenics and yoga and all that stuff, and I

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Speaker 1: just I did it the healthy way. And then the

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Speaker 1: last sort of two weeks is where it got weird,

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Speaker 1: and they went, you can't have any fiber now because

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Speaker 1: that's water retentive. So well, by my diet is entirely

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Speaker 1: fibrous because it's vegetables and fruit, and well, got to

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Speaker 1: eat some lean meat. I'm afraid if you want to

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Speaker 1: lose those final pounds. I was like, oh shit, so

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Speaker 1: I did. I had some steak and it was not

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Speaker 1: particularly nice. I had a few moments of leaning across

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Speaker 1: to a friend's plate in you know, vegan land for

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Speaker 1: eighteen months ago. I just had a little, one tiny

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Speaker 1: bit and didn't sort of throw up all all get

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Speaker 1: back on the meat wagon. But this was a pure

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Speaker 1: diet of meat for two weeks. And I was really like,

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Speaker 1: this is horrendous, such a complete kind of turnaround. And

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Speaker 1: then the last day was caffeine and skittles another sugar. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which sounds great, but actually it's just horrible that Trucker's diet.

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Speaker 1: But it's what bodybuilders do it. It dehydrates your cells

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Speaker 1: so that they wrap around your muscle and your whatever

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Speaker 1: tissues left and your bones. Do not try this own people.

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Speaker 1: It's horrendous. But it gave me that really startling better

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Speaker 1: weight loss for what was literally four scenes. Anyway, So

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Speaker 1: I did that, and then afterwards, instead of going right

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Speaker 1: now back on the barbecue, I kind of craved salad

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Speaker 1: than fruit. That's all I wanted to eat. So I

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Speaker 1: went back on the vegetables, and then I couldn't put

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Speaker 1: the weight on and I wasn't feeling very healthy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I was vegan for a bit after we wrapped

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Speaker 1: on the film, and then I went I think, I think,

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Speaker 1: I think I do need that art. I think I

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Speaker 1: do every now and again. So yeah, but it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's good meat. It's well sourced quality stuff that I have,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's rare. It's rare.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Hugh Jackman who was coming over

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Speaker 2: and he's a friend, and so he was talking about

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Speaker 2: coming to the River Cafe and he said, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing I can't remember what the film was said,

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Speaker 2: I have. I'm on this really strict, strict, strict diet

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Speaker 2: and so I'm not sure about coming, you know, to

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Speaker 2: the river cafe. I said, you know, we can help

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Speaker 2: you with that. We can do this, and he said, no,

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Speaker 2: reas that you don't understand. I have to gain a

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Speaker 2: huge amount of weight and I have something like a

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Speaker 2: six thousand calorie diet for day. I have to put

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Speaker 2: it's fair. You just cannat you know, the calories you

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Speaker 2: have to He had to do it so carefully, and

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Speaker 2: I thought, you know, what, what is this profession where

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Speaker 2: you have to know, you know, play gain and you do.

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Speaker 2: You know, you gain weight, you lose weight, you go

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Speaker 2: on a diet, you work out so you look muscular,

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Speaker 2: or you start you know, you don't work out so

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Speaker 2: you look emaciated. It's a very and you're an actor,

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Speaker 2: you know, is there.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to take your your health has to.

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Speaker 1: It takes a bit of a kicking, and I think

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Speaker 1: we're learning more. You know, Tom Hanks has Type two

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Speaker 1: doses from weight gain and loss. It's oh really yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he's talked about that publicly. I think it's fine

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Speaker 1: to mention, but it is damaging. Thank you for listening

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