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Speaker 2: It's Caroline Hobby and Michael Hobby, both in their own careers,

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Speaker 2: in their own way, have been wildly successful. Michael Hobby

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Speaker 2: lead singer of a Thousand Horses. They have a new

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Speaker 2: you know, number one with Smoke, touring constantly, a Caroline Hobby.

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Speaker 2: She has the podcast Get Real. But with Caroline, you

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Speaker 2: know before a podcast. He was on The Amazing Race

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Speaker 2: What a couple of times. Yeah, she was in She

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Speaker 2: and Stealing Angels back in the day. I mean they've

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Speaker 2: just done it all and so Amy's talking and there's

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Speaker 2: no microphone. We're literally recording. Yeah, you can say whatever

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Speaker 3: Run Away June. Caroline wasn't run Yes, she was like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but never on a on a label though. Huh

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Speaker 2: when they launched it was when they were Jen Wayne Og.

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Speaker 3: Caroline was in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really it was one of the found Have I forgotten?

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Speaker 2: Well sounds like it. Did she leave in like after

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty quick. It was pretty quick. She

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Speaker 1: It was a grind, and she wanted to pursue other things.

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Speaker 2: Well, after a day, that's not a grind.

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Speaker 1: No, But she'd already been doing stealing angels all that.

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Speaker 2: Why I hear you? You know I was a Metallica

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Speaker 2: I just I don't remember that part. Okay, So here

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Speaker 2: we are. It's Caroline Hobby and Michael Hobby. They are married.

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Speaker 2: They're both awesome in their own ways, and they've been

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Speaker 1: Every time I do this, I have to like a

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Speaker 2: So it's a nerve thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel nervous, but it's like it

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Speaker 2: It's weird. I have a tick.

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Speaker 3: It's okay if you're nervous, my tick us.

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Speaker 2: We're rolling by the way.

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Speaker 1: Great, you could just use this as what you want.

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Speaker 2: My tick used to be when I would run the board,

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Speaker 2: And someone will be like, what are you doing? Are

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's because you're man? Are you

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Speaker 2: I but did you drink that much where you had to?

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Speaker 2: So it's not a hydration thing. No, I do love

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Speaker 2: I don't do anything. I might not wash my face

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Speaker 1: You don't have like dry flaky skin.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because I I haven't seen the sun

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's a lot of water. Drink a decent amount,

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Speaker 2: A weird question? Like you drink like pea? Like eight

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Speaker 1: Please not?

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Speaker 3: No, have you seen the guy that drinks pea on

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Speaker 3: There's a guy that talks about drinking his own urine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but this guy now he like does it to

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Speaker 2: It's I'll sink that guy. Like, No, don't, Michael, No, don't.

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Speaker 1: No need for that.

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Speaker 2: I sor that's in the backyard the construction. We're building

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Speaker 2: It would piss me off. She's naturally a great athlete.

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Speaker 2: She's born she has athletics, very athletic genes too, like

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Speaker 2: No, it's not as great as you think, because that

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Speaker 3: We got we gotta beat this up.

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Speaker 2: The only way that I got her was my fake

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, she has a real master's. I was given an

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Speaker 1: And so we can call you doctor Bones when I go.

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Speaker 2: I have to go teach on campus in two weeks.

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Speaker 2: They have to refer to me as doctor because.

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Speaker 1: They do doctor.

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Speaker 2: It's not bones though, they do, just because that's what

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Speaker 2: that's what that's awesome, Doctor Bones is in the building.

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Speaker 3: Good one okay, or you could be a bone doc

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Speaker 3: what's the bone, dog, Well, that's.

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Speaker 3: We'll be married ten years on August thirteenth.

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Speaker 2: Good for you for knowing that, right up.

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Speaker 3: You know how important that is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. And sometimes I'll do a live show

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Speaker 2: your podcast, check back, check back, you're the interview. What

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Speaker 1: Stuff, not like, don't try to make a fabricated well, not.

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Speaker 2: Like communicate, No, Like I get it, that's it's important

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well for me, advice I'll say, I'm married like

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Speaker 1: You're welcome.

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Speaker 3: So like I if I have some and going on

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Speaker 2: Way a hound dog does hostage to get it out,

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Speaker 1: I'm relentless.

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Speaker 2: But do you give it up? Will you give it

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Speaker 3: I eventually I have to just go you know what? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You know what? I like, I'll just play pickleball for

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Speaker 2: We never have to talk about it, like I know

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Speaker 5: And I'm fine, hang tight. The Bobby Cast will be

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Speaker 2: So okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think ten years of marriage just

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Speaker 3: of an issue, like I'd never it's always like surface

440
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 3: level in certain parts. But like with you now after

441
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,920
Speaker 3: ten years, it's like I'm fully like in like I'll

442
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 3: tell her anything, tell her exactly how I feel, be vulnerable,

443
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 3: you know, and in bad days and good days and

444
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 3: all those things. So that's communication is really the key,

445
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,679
Speaker 3: Like I really I know that's like you know in

446
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 3: a book somewhere with us though too.

447
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,159
Speaker 1: Though, like if you come, if you're like dial that

448
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,399
Speaker 1: down though, Caroline a minute, we'll conduct two minutes. Yeah,

449
00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 1: see this is what happens.

450
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 2: And I started explaining that communication, but go find me

451
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 2: a specific part of communicating, like an element, because you

452
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 2: did touch on vulnerability, and maybe that's what you want

453
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: to expand on. Because if someone says, well, communication is

454
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 2: the key, I'm like, I'm not listening anymore. But now

455
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 2: everybody's saying.

456
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 3: I know, I know that's a terrible answer.

457
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 2: So don't look at her. I know you will look

458
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 2: at her and she will jump back in and I

459
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 2: know she's got the exact answer that I'm looking for.

460
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,640
Speaker 2: But I'm asking you as a dude, because I have

461
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 2: and have had trouble my whole life with being vulnerable.

462
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 2: And it was never a masculinity thing because I didn't

463
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 2: have men in my life to be like you got

464
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: to be manly. It was always a vulnerability thing because

465
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 2: I was not allowed to be weak for a couple

466
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 2: of reasons. I couldn't. I couldn't. It was self protection.

467
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 2: And so as I got older, those two seem to

468
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 2: ven diagram cover each other a lot. Masculinity and I

469
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 2: don't you don't want to be man and I don't

470
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 2: want to be vulnerable, But I didn't care about the

471
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: mainly thing. I just don't want to be vulnerable. It

472
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: just seemed like I gotta be tough, not because it's

473
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 2: a dude thing, because it's a man if I'm weak

474
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 2: and I have struggled with what you just said with her,

475
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: yet I've been better with her, better or worse, what

476
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 2: are happy to find it with her than anybody I've

477
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 2: ever been with. But that is by far the hardest

478
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 2: human thing for me to do, is to be vulnerable,

479
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 2: because I feel like people won't like me, trust me,

480
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 2: want to be with me if I'm weak, because I've

481
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: never been weak, even though I have.

482
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree with that that it's like fully

483
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 3: being trusting someone and like taking off that suit, you know.

484
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: I feel like we all wear like different suits, like

485
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 3: when you're around people and you're and you're doing things

486
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 3: that protect you from that your ego. I think it's ego,

487
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of it. But with her, it's

488
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: like learning to be vulnerable. And then I work on

489
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: myself a lot too, to be better in what way

490
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 3: like therapy and then like you know, healing things that

491
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 3: have happened to me throughout my life, and then trying

492
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 3: to understand, like you know, I'm always kind of reading

493
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 3: and really trying to I want to be, you know,

494
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 3: a great husband, and I want to be a great

495
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 3: father and a great friend to people. So you know,

496
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: we're all trying to figure this world out. So she

497
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 3: supports that with me no matter any way I want

498
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 3: to do it, you know, because her way is different

499
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: than my way, and I'm sure you and.

500
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we have the same thing, completely different communication

501
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 2: styles yeah, and attachments. Yeah, like she is. If we're fighting,

502
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: her attachment style is she needs to be right there,

503
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 2: or if we're not, or if we disagree, she needs

504
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: to get it fixed right away. I am the opposite.

505
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 2: I have always figured things out in my head, ye

506
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: by myself, and that's what I need to do. But

507
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: at times it is not a good It has been

508
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: good for my growth because I've been forced to somewhat go.

509
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: I have to be better at her way or we're

510
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: never ever going to figure out what works for both

511
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: of us. So it's been good, but it's been really

512
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: hard because that's not me. It's good, that's not my

513
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: attachment style at all.

514
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it's not you. It's just not what

515
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: you've ever had the opportunity. You haven't had the opportunity

516
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: to be in a healthy relationship yet until now to

517
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,479
Speaker 1: have that place to let this be you.

518
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: But it is when I say I'm emotionally stunted. A

519
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: lot of people learn through other relationships when they're fourteen,

520
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty six. Maybe you live with somebody, maybe you

521
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: get engaged, maybe you have your first marriage. You know,

522
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: there are all these different ways people and I don't

523
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: have any of that. And so here I go, at

524
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: forty years old. I'm like, all right, we're getting married. Nothing.

525
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: It's like it just group cubes.

526
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

527
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: I think you're doing great. You're the best version of

528
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: yourself I've ever seen since you been great.

529
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: Thank you. So what would you say? I was shutting

530
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: you down for a minute. Go ahead, So what's the advice?

531
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: Well, I'm surprised you didn't say what mom always says.

532
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: You say this all the time.

533
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: Oh, you're never equal at the same time.

534
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's number one. You're never equal at the same time.

535
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: And my mom has told me that my whole life.

536
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: And she also told me marriage is not easy. Marriage

537
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: is hard, but it is wonderful. And so it's like

538
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,239
Speaker 1: I had a good example from my parents of my

539
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: mom got married to my dad when she was nineteen

540
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: started dating when she was seventeen like my dad was twenty.

541
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 2: That's a story book type stuff that doesn't even feel real.

542
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: I know. So like they grew up together, they went

543
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: through hard times together, like really hard seasons, really great seasons,

544
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: and like I've witnessed them just stay you know, And

545
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of it, is like

546
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: get a good model, have a good model. Itat model,

547
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: and they're not like.

548
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: I had a great model. Yeah, and again they're not perfect.

549
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: They're not perfect, and they have a model of we're

550
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 2: gonna always get through it.

551
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And like that's why you just have to

552
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: have pillars. You have to be honest, you have to

553
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: be faithful, you have to be committed and honestly. That's

554
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: in kind to each other. Like you're not always gonna

555
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 1: be like super kind, but like if you can be honest, faithful,

556
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: committed and kind, I think you can respect each other.

557
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: And that's another thing my mom told me that my

558
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: grandmother told my mom she married my dad. She was like,

559
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: you're not gonna love. You're not gonna love. My grandmother

560
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: is telling my mom this about my dad. She's like,

561
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be in love every single day of

562
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: your life. Right, But if you can respect them, if

563
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: you can find something to respect about them, you can

564
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: always find the love again. And I think that like

565
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: in this day and age, in this culture, like people

566
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: are so quick just to throw stuff away if it's uncomfortable,

567
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: if it's not easy, if it's hard, if it provokes feelings,

568
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: if it's like difficult. And I think for us, like

569
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: you had a lot of trauma in your life, and

570
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: I have too, but you had some really big issues

571
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: like death that you've had to.

572
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: Deal with, and like who died from your childhood or

573
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: young young age? Oh? My brother? Was he older younger

574
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: than you?

575
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: He was older?

576
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: Do you talk about this at all?

577
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I have sometimes.

578
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: How do he die?

579
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: He had cancer? What kind brain tumor?

580
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: Was it a slow one or a long one? Yeah?

581
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: He fought it for eight years?

582
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: Really?

583
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, and this is things I've discovered

584
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: of my childhood that I thought these things were normal.

585
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: But in therapy you as you know, you're the.

586
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: Only one top I mean, of course that's all you know.

587
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: Of course, no, so when we don't talk.

588
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: About it, you develop these you know, you develop armor

589
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 3: throughout that that you don't even know you have. And

590
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: you know, so for me, like that's what I grew

591
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 3: up with, Like from the time I can remember he

592
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 3: was sick to the time he passed away. You know,

593
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: I was twelve or twelve when he passed away.

594
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: So your memories start at four or five for the

595
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: most part, and so when your memories developed that you

596
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: hold on too, that's what you knew.

597
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I had a sick brother that we took

598
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 3: care of for that entire time, and I never thought

599
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: anything of it.

600
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: Well that you would lay in your room at night

601
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: and he would hear his brother's monitor and you would

602
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: just every time it would stop beeping, you would be

603
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: so worried that that would be it.

604
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: What was your relationship like with him? How sick was

605
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: he through you know, age six, seven, eight nine?

606
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 3: For you, it was great. He was he was great.

607
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: I mean he was a fighter. You know. He he

608
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 3: had like moments where he would recover and like it

609
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: looked good, you know, promising, and he'd get back to

610
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 3: being a kid and his hair would go back and

611
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 3: you know, he's playing baseball and and then you know,

612
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: would come back and uh he you know, then we'd

613
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: kind of repeat the cycle. But uh, he was great man.

614
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 3: I mean he we treated him just like a brother.

615
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't like special treatment.

616
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: How did that affect your parents' relationship?

617
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: You know, ruined it? You know after he passed, Like

618
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: and I was angry about that for when they got divorced,

619
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: you know, because I didn't quite understand it. But now

620
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: the older I've gotten and then having a child, like

621
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: completely makes sense, Like how could they you know, see

622
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 3: and live that way and deal with it? And you

623
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: know they held on as long as they could after

624
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 3: he passed away, but like that was the I mean,

625
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: that's the greatest loss you can suffer. I think in

626
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: a in a in a marriage is one of your

627
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 3: children being sick and.

628
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: Then dying or your brother dying. I mean, well yeah,

629
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: but yeah, not to what do you talk about? Like

630
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: we're in therapy with that, Like there are definitely things

631
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: I tried to even discover about myself, Like things I

632
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: don't even know up that I act certain ways because

633
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 2: of like sometimes he'll go up. I'll give you an

634
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: example I was with. So I have two therapists. We

635
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: have we go to couples counseling. We started early on

636
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: because We're both like, eventually we're gonna go anyway.

637
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, got to.

638
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: So let's get ahead of it because we're both big,

639
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: we're both people that have needed use love and recommend therapy.

640
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: So we started going to a couple's therapists, and then

641
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: I have my own therapist, so I go We go

642
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: to a couples therapists every week. I go to my

643
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: therapist every other week. So there are some weeks it's

644
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: like it's like full therapy week.

645
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: It's exhausting work on yourself. It is fully exhausting.

646
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: There are times where I will be in with my

647
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: therapist and you know, he'll just ask me general, general

648
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: pointed questions though about my outlook on certain things. And

649
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: I was talking to him and I said, you know,

650
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: I have two versions of my life. I have the

651
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm the Sun in a helios centric world where everything

652
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 2: revolves around me. Either I feel like that's it, like

653
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm the only thing that matters, or at the same time,

654
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: fifty percent of my life is I don't matter at all.

655
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: I am nothing but organic matter, and nothing I do

656
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: or think or say nothing matters. And he was We

657
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: sat with that and we talked about it and he

658
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: was able to root those feelings into like six seven,

659
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: eight years old, yes, right that I had no idea

660
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 2: that would be why I felt certain ways, like you know,

661
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: my mom being an addict, being gone or being in

662
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: and out. And there were times where I felt like

663
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: I had to do it all, and then there were

664
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: times where people had to do a lot for me

665
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: and so, and there are reasons that I act like

666
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: I do where I think depending on who you talk to,

667
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: some people are like that dude thinking of me that

668
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: is one arrogant dude, and then some people will be like, man,

669
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: that guy is like super nice and like get it

670
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: just depends what version I like, I'm don't even know

671
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm feeling. Yeah, but I'm still and so. But I

672
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: had to learn that through therapy, Like with your experience

673
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: with your brother, Like what is it that you feel

674
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: like you need? You're working on now and you're discovering

675
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: about yourself from that part of your childhood.

676
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: You've done a lot of growing these past few years.

677
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: It's been it's been the full manti of like self.

678
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: What's the hardest part about talking about it?

679
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I mean, I guess it's like figure

680
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: like it still figuring out like what all those things

681
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: are I mean for me? You know, I think a

682
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: lot of my personality of like of of of like

683
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: lightheartedness and like not I don't take anything very serious

684
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: and like everything's gonna work out and everything's gonna be good.

685
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: It's always a party.

686
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: It's always a party, and.

687
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: Like real stuff like that's real, that's stuff that has

688
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: grown in you because of it.

689
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: Because yeah, I was the youngest of four and that's

690
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 3: you know, I was always like the kid that entertaining

691
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: and like I got into He helped me get into music,

692
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: and like that was my outlet for Do.

693
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: You feel like he got all the attention he needed it? Obviously?

694
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: He no.

695
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: I mean my parents did a really good job of that.

696
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: But like I always had, like I have, I had

697
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: a heart for it, like I wanted him to have.

698
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: Like I didn't know that he was you know, you

699
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: don't understand life at that age. I didn't know what

700
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: was coming and what my parents kept for me, you

701
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: know as as we got older. But you know, I

702
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: wanted to help him. I wanted to do nice things

703
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: for him. I wanted him to get you know, if

704
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 3: his Christmas, like him to get the great gift and

705
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: like him to get the thing. But that that was

706
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: just I don't know if that was youngest child syndrome,

707
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: but like I just I never looked at it as

708
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: a negative thing. Definitely could be a mix, yeah, but

709
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: I don't ever remember being angry about it or or

710
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: frustrated with it. Like you know, I loved him and

711
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: I have like a heart for for people like things.

712
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: I don't know that nature of sensitivity. Maybe that's where

713
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: I get my sty from, and that's.

714
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: Where I get you are like a lot of men.

715
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this, think a lot of men lately.

716
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: A lot of men lately, I think I think a

717
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: lot of men lately. I've been thinking about men lately

718
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: because we have a daughter and she is coming into

719
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: like understanding life, and a lot of men prey on

720
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: the week, the vulnerable, the innocent, and the disadvantaged. And

721
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: I think about that, like that's just like I'm not

722
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: saying all men do that, but a lot of men

723
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: do that, and you have never done that, Like that

724
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: is like not in your nature at all. And I

725
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: think it might be because you've always felt such a

726
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: heart for the week, the vulnerable.

727
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: The disadvantaged, it's also a weird just position that you're

728
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: not a vulnerable guy, yet you're a very vulnerable guy.

729
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: Like insight, you're a very sensitive same I like, I've

730
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: got all this armor, but man, if you happen to

731
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: get in there, I'm freaking yeah, melted chocolate. It's hard

732
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: to get in there or but I protect it because

733
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: it feels so sensitive and I don't want anybody to

734
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: see it. I feel like you're like I have struggle

735
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: being vulnerable, yet you are so your EmPATH on the

736
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: inside even if you're not on the outside. And once

737
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: you get into it, I can just feel how you

738
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: talk to her and like how you that you're probably

739
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: like a like a little booboo shinhiti. I like that. Yeah,

740
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: well does he cry? It's like he if it's really

741
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: like if it's like a real yes.

742
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: Yes, we've weeped together, like we have like full lon

743
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: like poured tears out.

744
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: What do you do that when you first met What

745
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: do you did when you first got married and dated?

746
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: No, we were married.

747
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: We were married right before you started I don't know

748
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: falling in front of me. Well, you finally opened up

749
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: the box. I think what you're talking about and I

750
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: think that's why it's really important to have. It's wonderful

751
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: to have a great relationship where you can get to

752
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: that spot because I will say, for me, marriage is

753
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: not like this whole like notebook, throw yourself up against

754
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: the wall. Let's have this crazy passion. Not to say

755
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: that we don't have that, but it's like marriage to

756
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: me is like, Wow, this person is going to walk

757
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: through life with me. We are going to freaking figure

758
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: out the darkest parts of our souls together. We're gonna

759
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: help each other.

760
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: Heal.

761
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: Like it's like we've just done hard work in our marriage.

762
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: The whole time, it's been like we've had a lot

763
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: of hard work to do.

764
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like you I'm a figure out or

765
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: like I'm like my hall, I say it all the time.

766
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm always like, we'll figure it out. I'll figure it out.

767
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: Like and that's kind of like my way of figuring

768
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: it out, Like, well, I think about it.

769
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: I do it too. I repress a lot of stuff.

770
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: I've just been forced to not repress as much stuff.

771
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: Now you just like figured it out and don't worry

772
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: about it. You just kind of be like, let's just oh,

773
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: let's just that's why you live to party. Let's just

774
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: go have a good time. Let's just go have fun.

775
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: Ye, how long have you not drink?

776
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: Two and a half years.

777
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: When you stop drinking, did you lose a bunch of

778
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: weight or did you get a bunch of weight? How

779
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: did your body react to not having as much alcohol? Oh?

780
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: I lost a bunch of weight?

781
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: You did?

782
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

783
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: What were you drinking? Mostly? I vodka was my thing

784
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: to keep so well then what how would you gain

785
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: the weight? Then?

786
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: If it's vodka, well it's you know, drink a lot

787
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 3: of it.

788
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: So it would be this. So I don't know, I

789
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: feel like that's a pretty clean vodka soda line.

790
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: I think one or two are clean. Yeah, you know,

791
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 3: I don't think ten are.

792
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: What kind of drunk? Were you?

793
00:34:59,640 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: Man?

794
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: Happy?

795
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: Like?

796
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 3: I was a fun like when I.

797
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: Drank, you're a happy guy. You're not a dark You're not.

798
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: I never had a dark side of drinking where like

799
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: I was an asshole or I yelled at her or

800
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: yelled anybody. I just always wanted to party, like I

801
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: wanted to have people over. I wanted to, you know,

802
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: go to people's houses. Like I just never wanted to

803
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: face whatever reality I was up against maybe, you know,

804
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: and when I did, you.

805
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: Didn't want to crack open the pain of all that.

806
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: No, And when I did, and I got tired of that,

807
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: like after a long time, because what I look back

808
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: on my childhood is like I started that at a

809
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: very young age, you know, Like alcohol was introduced to

810
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 3: me around the time my brother passed away. Yeah, and

811
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: you know, and my family drank, like my dad drank,

812
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: my mom drank like it was a thing. You know,

813
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: We're American farm We had a bunch of old But

814
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: like you know, I dove into it because it made

815
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: me feel great and it was fun or.

816
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: It allowed you to get away from not feeling bad.

817
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: Exactly, And and it just kind of continued. And I

818
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: think I tried to you know. That's the thing about

819
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: it is like you you manage it till it's unmanageable.

820
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: When did you realize it was unmanageable?

821
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: Like what happened, man, It was that my dad died

822
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty and uh, he he had he was

823
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 3: he was diabetic and he went in he had he

824
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: was in kidney failure. So he was got on the

825
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: list to get a transplant.

826
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: But not alcohol.

827
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: No, no, but he uh he man. He went into

828
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: the hospital for a hart CAF to be approved for

829
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: the transplant list and and never walked.

830
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: Out that he went in for that.

831
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, a simple heart.

832
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: Cow you're talking to on the phone.

833
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: I was on the phone with him and he was like, Hey,

834
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: I'll call you right back. Your brother's picking me up,

835
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 3: and that's it. And it was in COVID, so we

836
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: we could not be with him, and and that hit me. Hey,

837
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: my dad was my best friend and like my biggest

838
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: supporter and advocate, and that hit me. I mean I

839
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: dove hard at that point.

840
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: You know, what do you mean you dove? Did you

841
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: drink more? Oh?

842
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: He had a kid's another record deal, just.

843
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: Lost another record deal, Like it was a lot, and

844
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: and it it kind of sent me spiraling down, like

845
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: pretty hard.

846
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: I mean, just your dad dying like that is a lot. Yeah,

847
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's a lot.

848
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 3: A lot.

849
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: The COVID thing too, where you're not able to and

850
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: he and he probably.

851
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: Well and it didn't it was maybe wasn't. It could

852
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: have been totally avoided.

853
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: I like, when I commend you going to there because

854
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: you're fighting a lot of stuff, and that's difficult.

855
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: It was a hard years. Like you were just coming

856
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: out of it, like back to like a light self.

857
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: But you were in the depths of the valley for

858
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: a long time.

859
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: Could you? So you've been to a half years no drinking?

860
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: Are you? Are you done? In your mind?

861
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 5: Are you?

862
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: Is your goal?

863
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: Your appendix ruptured almost and that's why he stopped drinking.

864
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: That was the final straw.

865
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: But was it because you're drinking your appendix?

866
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think any of it helped, but okay,

867
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: you know, so I don't know the medical.

868
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of sounds like a god dang man, heavy, heavy,

869
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: heavy season.

870
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: How did that make your marriage? How did that galvanize

871
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: you too? Because I feel like it was gonna be

872
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: one way or the other with all of that happening bad.

873
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have always loved you.

874
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 3: Hung in there.

875
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: I have hung in there, and you're gonna have to

876
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: hang in there for me, you know. That's the thing.

877
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: It's gonna switch. There's gonna be a season where I'm

878
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: gonna need it, you know. And it's like that's what

879
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: my mom says. It's never equal at the same time,

880
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: and so it's like that was a season where we

881
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: were at a point though you had to make a

882
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: decision to go drinking, like it was at that point.

883
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: But I made that decision on my own. Yeah, she

884
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: didn't even know that I was gonna do that, Like

885
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: I just did it.

886
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: And but it was it was it was a moment

887
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: that needed a change.

888
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: Did you have a bottom moment?

889
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say when I was getting my appendix,

890
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: like when I was sitting in a hospital room like

891
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: by myself, and like, you know, the real truth of

892
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: it is like the nurse who was taking my blood,

893
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: like my my, my blood was so thin, and the

894
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: nurse made a comment, he said, oh, that happens, you

895
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 3: know with people that drink a lot and for some reason.

896
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: And I was by myself in this situation, and and

897
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 3: it just kind of hit me like an aha moment,

898
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 3: as Oprah says or whatever. But and then I went

899
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 3: into surgery and I came out, and I just when

900
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: I came out of it, I don't know. The next day,

901
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 3: I woke up on Mike and just said, it's you know,

902
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: it's time.

903
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

904
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

905
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: Do you ever want to drink now?

906
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: I don't really, I mean, it's something that you you mourn,

907
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 3: you know, like I think I mourned the lifestyle of it.

908
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: I think I mourned the memories in the fun of

909
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 3: it sometimes. But my life is so much better. I'm

910
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: so much healthier, Like my marriage is better, my relationship

911
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: with my daughter is incredible, with my relationship with my

912
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 3: band is incredible, and music is better. You know, I

913
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: can't poke holes in in in in the positive side

914
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 3: of not for me not doing it.

915
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Nobody party threw a better party than Michael Hobby. I'm

916
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: going to tell you you that's probably what you more

917
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: because like he would throw, you would throw rageous. We

918
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: would have the biggest parties you could imagine.

919
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: Can you be around it?

920
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I got no problem being around it.

921
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: I wish I could. I want to. I want to

922
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: drink so bad. Oh yeah, I want to do everything.

923
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: I want to drink. I want to smoke weed. I

924
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: want to I want to do heroin.

925
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: No, I do I do to try it.

926
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: I want to do everything I would I can't. Well, No,

927
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: I would like to experience it, and yes, I would.

928
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: Like to relax for the escaping of it.

929
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: No, I just would like to try it. I will.

930
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: I won't.

931
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: Why because you're scared it.

932
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: Oh, I will love it. I'll be the winner of it.

933
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 2: It's not even a game. I'd win a gold medal

934
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: because I would. That's all I would do.

935
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 3: Well, you're doing.

936
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: Great, so you know, well you know what you might

937
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: You did good just never starting it.

938
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I find other obsessions and I roll

939
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: through weird seasons of obsession slash addiction type qualities. I

940
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: read a lot of book books on addiction, and I

941
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: don't have I don't have the need to drink. I

942
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: would love it, though.

943
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: How do you escape like your mind? I don't know,

944
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, like that's whatever saying I don't exercise.

945
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: I hate exercise.

946
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: But you do it?

947
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, like four or five times a week.

948
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: I hate it?

949
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: That help you hate it? I literally hate it. I

950
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: mean I do. It's the worst. I would not do it.

951
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: How do you get relief?

952
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: I don't have an answer. I don't have a I.

953
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: Don't have an answer, so you just white knuckle it.

954
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: Even if I were to say I play golf. When

955
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: I'm playing golf, I'm so miserable because I'm every I'm

956
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: soaking every shot. I'm just it's like, well, I mean,

957
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: I don't, I do not know. I don't have hobbies

958
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 2: that are just fun. Any hobby that I have, I go, well,

959
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: I could probably turn this into something career wise and

960
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 2: give me a bit more security.

961
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: So is your main thing that you're scared that's going

962
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: to go a ways that.

963
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: You won't have I can't pay bills, you can't even.

964
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: Though you're way past that now.

965
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So it's like career addicted.

966
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: It is just for safety.

967
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's career, but it's I

968
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: don't listen. We don't want to be what we're scared

969
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: that we used to be or we were.

970
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: You don't want to go back to.

971
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to like be a charity

972
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: case or have people like take care of me. And

973
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: so it is not logical in any way whatsoever. I

974
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: have a ton of money now, I do not feel

975
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: like I have a ton of money ever, And so

976
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: there is never that security of I can just probably

977
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: just chill. It's if I don't continue whatever, but of

978
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: moment minimum that I have created, I will lose it

979
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: and lose every So I don't like if I'm sick,

980
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: I'd work, I would work through it because I didn't

981
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: want to fall behind. But at least now I can

982
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: acknowledge that. But I don't really know that I have

983
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: a hobby or like a vacation. I don't know what

984
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: I like to do on a vacation.

985
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what are you and Kaitlyn doing on vacation.

986
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. So we do what

987
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: she wants to do. And I have no problem with

988
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: that because I don't have an answer.

989
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: At least you're going on vacation. Is allowing yourself to

990
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: go on a vacation.

991
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: Not allowing it?

992
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: I'm forced, Well, you know, I think she's a good

993
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: influence on you.

994
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: No, no, I agree. It's that difficult influence at times,

995
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: because there would be times we would go and she's

996
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: like it would be a contentious thing, like hey, I'm

997
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: going to work for a few hours, and she's like,

998
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: I know, you don't need to work, Like you don't

999
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: need like can you not break? Can you not stay

1000
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: off your phone? Can you not? But all that hard stuff.

1001
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: Once you kind of get to the other side individually,

1002
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: you're just a little bit closer overall. Oh yeah, which

1003
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: is crazy for me to see now from two and

1004
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: a half years above it.

1005
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: Marriage is a long game, it's a long payoff.

1006
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: And so she's been a good influence in that I'm

1007
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: really uncomfortable a lot of times. It's wonderful, but that

1008
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: means I get a little more comfortable every single time.

1009
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: But I do not But I would love to do

1010
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: all the drugs. Okay, I feel Yeah, we just love it.

1011
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: But just be the greatest and I can afford them.

1012
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: Let's go give me. Yeah, I'm saying, the best of

1013
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: the best, let's go. So I'll sign me to a

1014
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: bad deal. I'll sign it. Be a boy band member,

1015
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: do lots of drugs and peace out that.

1016
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: It always ends badly. Yeah, the endings never go.

1017
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: So they say, you haven't seen me do it yet.

1018
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: Ye.

1019
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: Winning at that game is actually and I know, yeah,

1020
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: but I understand why you want to do them.

1021
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just like to find something that allows

1022
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: me to take a breath right, because I don't know

1023
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: what that is.

1024
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: You're going to get there, You're on your way.

1025
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 2: I'm almost dead.

1026
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna get there. You're gonna get there with Caitlin.

1027
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. It's gonna You're over time. Because

1028
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: I look now at us after ten years, and I'm like,

1029
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: I can't even tell you what I think marriage is anymore,

1030
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: because I'm like, it's just riding the highs and the

1031
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: lows with somebody standing next to them, and then you

1032
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: get through them and you're like, holy shit, we have

1033
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: a wealth of life that like you just can't even

1034
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: explain it, a collection of like just being with someone

1035
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: through everything that is like you can't you can't like

1036
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: just go get that. You have to like live that

1037
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: with someone you know, and it's like you got it,

1038
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: and then you know this person on such a different

1039
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: level and like you just feel seen.

1040
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: And I think my fear is that she knows me

1041
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: on such a different level that she doesn't like me.

1042
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: She know she loves I hear you.

1043
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you that's really what I kind of feel.

1044
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: It is like if she really knew that, I don't

1045
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 2: know that she'd feel the same way.

1046
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: I think she. I think she knows what she signed

1047
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: up for.

1048
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: I think I surprised her sometimes, well, you keep it interesting.

1049
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 2: I don't think she'd use that word. Okay, all right,

1050
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: but so I know you guys were on the show

1051
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago. I don't know this is going

1052
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: to hit a couple weeks. So, okay, A Thousand Horses

1053
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: was on the show. Yeah, you guys put out the

1054
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: music in September October last year.

1055
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were starting to roll out. We rolled out

1056
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: and started rolling out songs. Yeah.

1057
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 2: So what summer tends to be like spring? Summer tends

1058
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: to be the season where you're just generally out playing.

1059
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you're gonna be able to wide

1060
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: open play being a dad? Oh yeah, yeah.

1061
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: I mean I've been home a lot of the time

1062
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: she's grown up, which has been great. So we have

1063
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: a great relationship and you know, dad's gotta go work

1064
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: like yeah that and I'm I'm the happiest in that

1065
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: cycle of touring and being home and touring and being

1066
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: home and being I'll have to stay moving. If I sit,

1067
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: it drives me nuts.

1068
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: Also, I guess the country music way of touring is

1069
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 2: easier for a family than the poper rock way of touring,

1070
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: which is get in a bus and go away for

1071
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: three months where you can come you can do Thursday, Friday,

1072
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: Saturday and come back right.

1073
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know I.

1074
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: Or are you not doing that?

1075
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: No, we are, We're doing yeah, weekend warrior stuff.

1076
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1077
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: We just started tour last the last weekend and how'd

1078
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: that go? It was great. Yeah, it's like our first

1079
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 3: headlining tour, so we're out doing clubs and it's our show,

1080
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: and man, it's been awesome. So we have that for

1081
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 3: the rest of the spring. But I don't know. I

1082
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: sometimes I feel like I'd rather just go do it

1083
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: all and then come home and be home for a

1084
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 3: period of time. Then like, you know, you get in

1085
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: a different mode out there're getting a different character and

1086
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: like you're like in a groove with traveling, you know

1087
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 3: how it is. And when you get home on Sunday,

1088
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: you're like okay, and then you reset back in the

1089
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: normal dad mode or husband mode, and then on Wednesday

1090
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: you got to get right back in and again. So

1091
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 3: it's I don't know, you know, artist friends and I

1092
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: on both both sides, country and rock and pop, we

1093
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: talk about that all the time, like which is better.

1094
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: Is it better to just knock out three months and

1095
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: then have three months of no touring where you can

1096
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: work on music and you do it and be with

1097
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: your family, or is it just like consistently used out

1098
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 3: every weekend throughout the year, and I.

1099
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: Would assume there's positives in both. There is no better

1100
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: there are better parts about both of them. That would

1101
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: be my assumption that you do get to come home

1102
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: and see your daughter every week. But yeah, it's hard

1103
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: to keep momentum rolling. Whenever you gotta stop, that's it,

1104
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: especially if like you're feeling it. But again, what about

1105
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 2: your momentums a dad, you gotta keep that.

1106
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: It's a balance.

1107
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: Can't do everything. I try to, but we don't have

1108
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: kids yet.

1109
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: But you know how it is like when you're like

1110
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 3: three shows in a row like that.

1111
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like you've done two full nights of like, oh,

1112
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: I'm back in now, and then you're done, Like I

1113
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: would do three nights, even two nights of doing stand up.

1114
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: After that second, I'm like, man, I need to do

1115
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: four more shows, like I'm feeling it, okay, six days

1116
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: off You're like, god, dang.

1117
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got all your notes. Yeah, then you forget

1118
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: about it and you gotta so.

1119
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1120
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 3: I mean, you want to be home to be a dad,

1121
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: and if they could come with me, then I would

1122
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: just stay out.

1123
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: What about your relationship with those guys, because you guys

1124
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: have been through.

1125
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: It a little bit, been through it a little bit.

1126
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: A thousand horses has been through it a lot of bit.

1127
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: This band, y'all. I'm like y'all, I have so much

1128
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: admiration for y'all's uh dang power, like y'all's horse power,

1129
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: Like y'all should have quit so many times ago. Which

1130
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: is with all that and not that your talent or

1131
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: anything like that. It's just like all.

1132
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: Of the I didn't take you saying that's about a talent,

1133
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: just so you know, yeah, I took it as in

1134
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot of a lot of a lot of struggle,

1135
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: a lot of adversity, but the normal person would have quit.

1136
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all must really love it.

1137
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: We do love it. And we stick together, you know,

1138
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: the three of us. I mean, we've known each other

1139
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 3: since we were kids, and and we signed up to

1140
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: do this, and that's what we're gonna do, you know.

1141
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: I mean, and if we ever look at each other

1142
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: where we all want to call it, you know, we'll

1143
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: know when that time is.

1144
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: But have you had to talk any of has any

1145
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: of you had to talk any of you into not

1146
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: calling it?

1147
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: No, we've never had that conversation. I mean, we've had like,

1148
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: you know, especially last couple of years, Like, I don't know,

1149
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, right, you know what? What what are

1150
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: we going to do?

1151
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 2: Did you ever think you were going to give it up? Yeah?

1152
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought. I've talked about it all the time.

1153
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: What you know, what? What am I gonna do?

1154
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 2: That's the question. What would you do?

1155
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I can't. I've done music since

1156
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 3: I was a kid, and I've been in a band

1157
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 3: since I was a kid. And I'm thirty I'll be

1158
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: thirty seven in April, and it's all I know how

1159
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: to do. This music business is like, that's all I know.

1160
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean you can't work through a lot

1161
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: of other jobs. I'm not saying you should, but I'm

1162
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 2: saying my mind would go all I know is music,

1163
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: So I can't be in a band. Okay, Well, then

1164
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: teach you work at record label. Yeah, not that you'd

1165
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: want to do that. God, No, I mean to be terrible,

1166
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: I mean that's how.

1167
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: Hey, I've entertained all kinds of things in my mind,

1168
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: you know, But.

1169
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: But you really haven't got to the point where you're no,

1170
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: this is.

1171
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: What you're this is what you are supposed to do.

1172
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: Like I can say that with certainty, like some people

1173
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: were just born, Like probably how you're doing you're supposed

1174
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: to do, Bobby, Like I don't know what's supposed to do,

1175
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: but like whatever, all this is, all these things that

1176
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: you're doing. You know, it's like that I know you're

1177
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: supposed to do this band. And I always say this,

1178
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: like God did not bring you this far to leave you,

1179
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: and like you have gone through so much and you

1180
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: have learned so much, and you've gone through so many

1181
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: trials and tribulations with this band and music.

1182
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 3: Industry, and like, well, if you don't stop, it won't stop.

1183
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: You've kept who you If you don't give up, ain't

1184
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: over right.

1185
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I could live with like

1186
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: not knowing again, you know, and I love it. So

1187
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: it's just it's like anything anybody does. It's hard. I mean,

1188
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: you know, being in radio is hard, Being in a

1189
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: podcaster is hard. Being and anything's tough. And it's wild

1190
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: that the three of us have just been able to

1191
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: weather all these storms and then come together stronger each

1192
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 3: time and go, all right, well, let's put our heads

1193
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 3: down and we always bet on ourselves. You know, when

1194
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: somebody pulls out like we we double down on ourselves

1195
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 3: because we know how to do what we do. I mean,

1196
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: it's like our craft and and it's just a matter

1197
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: of time for that for things to move along. Plus

1198
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 3: it's like celebrating the first downs, you know, celebrate the

1199
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: winds and keep moving the chains. Like we all know

1200
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 3: enough people in this business and artists that you know,

1201
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 3: it's like the graph that you know, you just wanted

1202
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 3: to have this trajectory to the highs.

1203
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: The stock market. You just wanted to get s be

1204
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 2: up more than down, just a good a little higher

1205
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 2: more than a little lower.

1206
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's the goal? I mean, the goal is

1207
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: to you know, build the career, to have a lifestyle

1208
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 3: and provide for our families, you know, in a in

1209
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 3: a very good way, and like finally reap the rewards

1210
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 3: of the hard work with you know, you could say

1211
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 3: the clichy thing like all big crowds and sold out

1212
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: stadiums and all those you know, the obvious stuff, but really,

1213
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: you know, that's that's what's been really cool about this

1214
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: headlining tour is going out and meeting the people that

1215
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: are coming paying just to see us, you know, because

1216
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: when you're out on a support slot. You know, it's

1217
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: kind of like a drug, you know. You you get

1218
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: a big crowd, you get like people screaming, but they're

1219
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 3: really there to see the headliner. And we've been support

1220
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 3: for so many years and meeting these people after our

1221
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: show that spent their money to come see us, and

1222
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: then they tell us stories of like what our songs

1223
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: have meant to them and what it saved their life

1224
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 3: or it's changed their life, or it was there.

1225
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1226
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: We had a guy who retired from the military and

1227
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: his last his speech to the whole entire retirement party

1228
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: was our lyrics of a song called Heaven Is Close

1229
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 3: and that was the last thing he said. And then

1230
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 3: he's been traveling with his wife around the world, living

1231
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 3: to the lyrics of the song, and like that's where

1232
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: it's like, man, that's what we do this for. This

1233
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: is what I want to do. And you don't ever

1234
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 3: have any idea with the impact that you have when

1235
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: people till somebody tells you that. And I just want

1236
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 3: to continue to do that in a larger scale and

1237
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: spread music, you know, through heal people. Man, I mean,

1238
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 3: I guess or give them stories that make them feel

1239
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 3: good about what they're going through.

1240
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: How are you guys trying to spread your music? Like

1241
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: what are the what are the we can in say platforms,

1242
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: but you know you're independent artists now yeah, so do

1243
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: you guys? Do you put I know what you do.

1244
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: But it's like, Okay, we're gonna put this music on socials.

1245
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: We're gonna hopefully it catches. There is it back to

1246
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: We're just gonna go grind a bunch of shows and

1247
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: build a base there, Like where do you really look

1248
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 2: at it being you guys's strongest chance to grow an audience.

1249
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: I think touring for us is like our live show

1250
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: is where we always have won, and I feel like

1251
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: that's like hand to hand is where we connect. And

1252
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: then through social media of course, I mean to be honest,

1253
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: like social media does like we're I feel like we're

1254
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: terrible at social media, which I'm sure a lot of

1255
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 3: people are. You know. I I don't know how to

1256
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: gain I'm not an influencer, Like I don't want you

1257
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 3: to tune into me, because like I know how to

1258
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: like influence you on like a a level. Like it's

1259
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 3: about music to us. So it's like if you're if

1260
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: you're with us, you're with us, for music, and I

1261
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: think for us it's like touring and then releasing as

1262
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: much music as we can. We got held up in

1263
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 3: the system for years where we could not release music

1264
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 3: that we.

1265
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: Like shelved well.

1266
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like getting out of deals and it taking

1267
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 3: so long to get out of the deal.

1268
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 2: So you're in the middle of the process. But because

1269
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: you're in the middle of the process of getting out,

1270
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: obviously you're not going to put anything out.

1271
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: Is that but you can't, you know, like legally you can't.

1272
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 3: And and so we got held up. I mean that's

1273
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 3: like our first record came out in twenty fifteen, and

1274
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 3: that's where we had smoke and drunks out on all

1275
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 3: those songs that did well. And then right after that

1276
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: record we got dropped after a number one on a

1277
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 3: platinum single. Why And I guess maybe we weren't making

1278
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 3: them money back fast enough or there was.

1279
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: Much was put in you guys too, you.

1280
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 3: Know, I don't know. I mean that's a mystery still.

1281
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm still close with our team of people

1282
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: that we were part of that, and it's just it's

1283
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 3: odd how quick it shot and how quick it stopped,

1284
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: like but there was never no, no, no, no, I.

1285
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: Will say this just to give it a little caveat.

1286
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: You have never burned a bridge with any person you

1287
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: have ever worked with. Michael is the coolest, calmest collective

1288
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: guy under pressure, which is not me. I like lose

1289
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: my freaking mind. You always keep it cool. I like

1290
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm learning how to keep it cool. But like you have,

1291
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: every person you walked away from a deal with, y'all

1292
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: remain great friends.

1293
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1294
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 3: I mean, it's business at the end of the day,

1295
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: and they have to run their business like we have

1296
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: to run ours. And maybe my dad like instilled that

1297
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: in me growing up because he was like a business guy.

1298
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: But you know, there's always more opportunity. It's like they

1299
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 3: can't they can't take away your talent and your ability,

1300
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 3: you know. So it's like, well, you just got a

1301
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 3: weather whatever kind of comes at you, and we did

1302
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: it once, why can't we do it again? You know?

1303
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: And it's funny just like the our our story of

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00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: that happening top of the mountain and then off the

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Speaker 3: mountain and then we got another deal, uh, And we

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00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 3: were gearing up for another ride at the top of

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00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: the mountain and then the world shut down and it

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Speaker 3: canceled all that and then we got out of that

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00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: deal because everything changed for everybody, and it.

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Speaker 1: Took you like a couple of years ago, but it.

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Speaker 3: Took yeah, it took thirteen months, which you can't do anything.

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00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: It was like a year right when everybody was getting

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Speaker 3: back up and getting on the road. You know. So

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Speaker 3: we uh, now we're here and we got another record.

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Speaker 3: We always you know, we go back in and we

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00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 3: bet on ourselves and we make a record. You know,

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00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 3: our first that first record, Southern Alley, we paid for

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00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 3: and made ourselves on credit card debt. And then Big Machine,

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00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: our label, heard it, and then you know, that's where

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00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 3: we had success. And then we just so we just

1321
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 3: always go back to the what we know how to

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00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: do best. It is exhausting, so exhausting, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can be exhausted, you can give up. Yeah,

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00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: you know what's better to be exhausted exactly then to

1325
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: feel like you didn't give it what you Yeah, totally, Yeah, Caroline.

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Speaker 2: I remember when you first started doing the podcast when

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00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: I have a few minutes left here, but I was like,

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00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna do pretty good. You're gonna make some money.

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00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're gonna be successful and you're like, I

1330
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: don't care. I'm like, yeah, you do.

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00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 3: That's a Caroline answer.

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00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: It's like I just want to like talk to people

1333
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: and like, you're right. But I think that's why you're

1334
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: successful is because it's never been about let me make

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00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: this a successful, you know venture. For me, it's like,

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00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: let me do what I can do the best, and

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00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: then it shakes out. It shakes out. But I think

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Speaker 2: that's been the key to your success.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like the podcast has gotten to a level,

1342
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: like a successful level in your mind where you can

1343
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: look at it and go proud of.

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00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: It, super proud of it. I can definitely super proud

1345
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: of it. I feel like I when it comes to

1346
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: like what how do you define how do you define success? Like,

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00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: I feel like do I wish that like there were

1348
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: more listeners? Yes, but I think there's good listeners, But like,

1349
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: do I wish that I will? We're are my lives

1350
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: mirror each other a lot because Michael and I have

1351
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: been I feel like we're both really great at what

1352
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: we do at this point, and it just hasn't like

1353
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: tipped over the edge until like being what I know

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00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: it could be. I do believe that. I believe my

1355
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: podcast is what I'm supposed to do. Like I really

1356
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: like having conversations and sharing people's stories, and it's healed me,

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00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: Like I have healed myself through it because I used

1358
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: to always feel like everybody had everything figured out and

1359
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything, and I was so insecure and

1360
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: like just wanted to talk to all these people who

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00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: I thought knew how to do life. Well, we're pushing it,

1362
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: and I realized.

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01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: That nobody knows how, nobody know who's.

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01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: Got to do live, and you can learn from each other.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I love the conversations, like us having

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01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: one with you. It's like you get to connect with

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01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: people and you get to like drop your guard and

1368
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: your barrier and you're like, okay, we're all humans. Like

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Speaker 1: let's like compile some information here that can help us

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Speaker 1: and like help others, and then also like just make

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Speaker 1: you realize that like humanity can be really great. Like

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Speaker 1: we're so divided in the world and so many things,

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: but like if you just sit down and have a

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Speaker 1: heart to heart with somebody, you actually realize everybody has

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Speaker 1: a soul, and everybody's a good person. We've just all

1376
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: gone through so many different battle wounds that have made

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Speaker 1: us all armor up, and so I love to get

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01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: to the soul of somebody and really feel like, why

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01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: why are you the way you are? What happened? Let's

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01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: talk about it so we can actually like understand it

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01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: and then help heal ourselves and heal others. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I just love it. I feel like it's a higher

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01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: calling for me.

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Speaker 2: Now, you're always gonna want more listeners. Heck I want

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Speaker 2: more listeners. Yeah, you never done. I was looking up

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01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: some I was going to look up some some data

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: on just your show. I'm not going to read them.

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Speaker 2: But what we're gonna say, Michael.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I was just saying, it's like the obvious things,

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01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 3: you know. It's like people, it's like I want this,

1391
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, yeah, everybody wants a lot of money.

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01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 3: Everybody wants more this, more that, But it's like, what's

1393
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 3: your core?

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Speaker 1: I really I really just care about the connection. I

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01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: really do. Like I want to make the money. I

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01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: of course I don't.

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Speaker 3: We all have to.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you got to make money, but like I really

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01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: genuinely love the connection of it, like I love.

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Speaker 2: It well you you make a pretty good amount of money.

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01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: It's thank you.

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm very much point like it's it's very hard to

1403
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: it can be any art, painting, music, podcasting. Everybody wants

1404
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: to do it because it seems fun. So it's really

1405
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 2: hard to have to gain any traction and to sustain

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01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: a living doing it, much less sustain a like a healthy,

1407
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: safe feeling living. But you've been able to do that

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01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: just by I mean eight years of just doing this one. Yeah,

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01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: And sometimes people will be like, I want to do

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Speaker 2: a podcast like Carelines. I mean, she just started and

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01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: she's killing it, and I'm like, you have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Doing it forever.

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Speaker 2: But I remember early conversations and when it was just me,

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01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: you and Mike can be like, you're gonna do this forever,

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01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: and it's going to feel like you've been doing it

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01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: for a hundred years. People are just now going to

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Speaker 2: hear about it.

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Speaker 1: You told me that because you've been such a great

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Speaker 1: mentor Bobby, thank you by the way for that. You

1420
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: really have been great, and being on your network has

1421
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: been amazing, and I feel like we have had those

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01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: conversations where I'm like, yeah.

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 2: She's spending It's like what am I doing?

1424
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: Why am I even doing this? Like podcast? Like is

1425
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: this even worth it? Like is it even? Like should

1426
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: I quit?

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01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: But that's I had to deal with those same issues

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 2: where I would be like I don't want to do

1429
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: this stupid simple thing anymore, but it would be like, no, no,

1430
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: you're doing it and people are just now discovering it,

1431
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: even though you've been doing it for twelve years. And

1432
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 2: the same thing with your podcast, and it's just hanging

1433
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: in there, hanging in there. You're good, hang in there.

1434
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: Let everybody else find out you're good. Sometimes it takes

1435
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: a while, sometimes it doesn't. But I'm really proud of you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my God. But just what I tell Michael and

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Speaker 1: I both thank you, Thank you, Bobby. I tell Michael

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Speaker 1: this all the time. I'm like, God has done too

1439
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: much work on us to not use us. Like I'm like,

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01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: we have been whittled down so far, got into so

1441
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: many like truths about ourselves, about life, We've learned so

1442
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: many lessons, We've understood hard things about ourselves, and like

1443
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: we've done a lot of hard work. I'm like, I

1444
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: can't imagine God not wanting to use us like I

1445
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: feel like we are here for the higher cause. Now

1446
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: at this point, where are we so started? It was

1447
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: here because we were both like trying to fill avoid

1448
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: within ourselves or like run away from pain or whatever.

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01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: But now it's like, okay, we're here to I'm here

1450
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: to help, Like I'm here to help myself, I'm here

1451
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: to help. Everyone's listening. I want us all to leave

1452
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: this podcast, leave this interview, leave this situation feeling hopeful

1453
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: about life because I feel like life can be so

1454
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: hopeless a lot of times, especially, you need those resources

1455
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: to help you realize like, Okay, you can make this.

1456
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: You can do this. This person went through this, they

1457
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: made it. Here's some tools we can come together. We

1458
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: can talk about this. Don't feel shamed, don't feel guilty,

1459
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: don't feel embarrassed, don't feel insecure. Like we're all in it,

1460
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: but we need to talk about it, you know.

1461
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Speaker 2: So as a final exercise, Okay, we've done nour but

1462
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: let me say Caroline's podcast is get Real, Michael's bands

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01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 2: a thousand Horses, Ian, I can go through bunch of

1464
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: thongs about the outside, can just say that they just

1465
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: search the outside and see the whole thing the album.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well no, because we have the No, we don't

1467
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 3: have that all yet.

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01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but even like part part of us

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01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: upso yeah yeah yeah, just yeah. But you can't search

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Speaker 2: the outside because I know. So did you have to

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Speaker 2: go search the songs individually? Well, you just go to

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Speaker 2: our you know, I need to know.

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Speaker 3: Can they say, yeah, summer is the last song we

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Speaker 3: just read.

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Speaker 2: Don't you put us? You have a song called the Outside?

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01:04:59,000 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: Yep, it's coming.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well do that so then everybody will know, okay,

1478
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: will be waiting so long.

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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: Now, can you give us some tools on how to

1480
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: like still hit it in the marketing scheme?

1481
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 2: Probably anybody that promises you they can do that are

1482
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: full of crap.

1483
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 3: I agree completely, Yeah, they.

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01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: Just want your money. I could be like, this is

1485
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: what I did, this is what I think works. But

1486
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: anybody that goes I got you, they're so full of crap.

1487
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: It's so here's our final okay, So go, uh just

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Speaker 2: check out a thousand horses.

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01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, just go stream one thousands.

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01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,959
Speaker 2: Yeah there you go. Go go to a show, yeah,

1491
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,479
Speaker 2: get a tattoo of a lyric. Yeah, do that, although

1492
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: you don't make any money from that.

1493
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 3: But no, it's all right, spreads love.

1494
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: You could just charge like you could be a license

1495
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:43,919
Speaker 2: a licensing deal for series. Our final exercise here, because

1496
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 2: we all know each other and we all have jobs,

1497
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: and Caroline's a podcaster like myself. You're gonna everybody's going

1498
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: to ask the other two people a final question. It

1499
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what it is, but everybody's going to ask

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01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: the other two people. So Caroline, you'll ask Michael a question.

1501
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: You'll ask me a question, Michael, You'll ask me a Karen.

1502
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: Then I'll end and ask each of you an individual question,

1503
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: not together. So Caroline, I feel like you were born

1504
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: for this. I'm gonna make you go first. I want

1505
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: you to ask Michael a question.

1506
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: Do I ask you the same question?

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01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, you got him right here on Mike.

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01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: What what when you look back on your lafe Michael,

1509
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: He says, when I look back on my life, When

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01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: you look back on your life, what do you hope

1511
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: you can say?

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01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 2: It's a good one. It's a hard one.

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01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: That is a hard one.

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01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's just so open. It's like you can go

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01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: wherever you want to with it.

1516
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: What's gonna What are the things that matter to you?

1517
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: The most that you hope you can say you lived.

1518
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 2: This, I look back on my life.

1519
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 3: What if I want to say, I honestly, our daughter's

1520
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 3: happy and healthy, like is she is given everything to

1521
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 3: achieve every goal and dream that she wants. Like that's

1522
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 3: that's that's definitely the driving force now that I have.

1523
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: What would you say is success contentment for you? When

1524
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: do you feel happy?

1525
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 3: Did she get two questions?

1526
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: She just barged in and did it? What am I going

1527
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: to do? Stop your game? No, I'm just watching. If

1528
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: you can jump in one more, I answer the bonus one? Yeah? Uh?

1529
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:41,439
Speaker 3: What was the question?

1530
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: When do you feel happy? Success and happy?

1531
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: What is?

1532
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: What is that really for you?

1533
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 3: Success and happiness? Man? I would.

1534
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying to just answer it and

1535
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: there's no pressures. There is not a right wrong answer.

1536
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: Answer me up, don't think it.

1537
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 3: I mean to me like success and and and in

1538
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 3: my music career and more successful a music career, but

1539
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 3: success in in our marriage and and then being a dad.

1540
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 3: I mean that's I know that sounds really cheesy and cliche,

1541
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 3: but that that's the truth. Like what mean what things

1542
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 3: mean to me now? Or that those are the most

1543
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 3: important things to me in the long run, and having

1544
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 3: a good relationship. You know, I watched the interview of

1545
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 3: a guy the other day that said, when your kids

1546
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 3: get older and they still want to be around you,

1547
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 3: that's the success story, you know, opposed to having a

1548
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 3: ton of money and having a ton of this and

1549
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 3: all this stuff that you can't take with you and

1550
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. Those are great things and they make

1551
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 3: a life convenient. But at the end of the day

1552
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 3: that great relationships.

1553
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: I want to have.

1554
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: Great relationships is a definition of success for me.

1555
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 2: You got there, You got there, and I mean work

1556
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 2: through it. Yeah, got his answer? All right, go ahead,

1557
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: experience Okay, Bobby. I wasn't there for you though, Michael.

1558
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: That's a good thing. Yeah. I let you hang. Yeah. Yeah.

1559
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: You were just on the fishing line, are you Sometimes

1560
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: I just need that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1561
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: Bobby, you have lived a lot of life that the

1562
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: majority of the population will never experience. You've had some

1563
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: serious mountaintop experiences, like peak experiences. Now that you have

1564
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: accomplished so many things that are so hard to do,

1565
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: what does it all mean to you and what are

1566
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: you ultimately trying to achieve? Because you have achieved so

1567
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: many things. What are you? What is the ultimate goal

1568
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: that you are trying to achieve now? And what does

1569
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: it all mean to you that you have achieved this.

1570
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 2: I don't know the goal, and I think that's where

1571
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 2: Caitlin and I will talk about this. She's like, what's

1572
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: the goal? I don't know.

1573
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: Okay, you don't know.

1574
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 2: If the goal is to not feel inferior. I don't

1575
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 2: so much care about wins. I care about not losing.

1576
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of my successes have come

1577
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: from I'm not going to If I great things happen,

1578
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: if I win, if I get okay, cool, But if

1579
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: for some reason I don't get it, I'm humiliated.

1580
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: So you is that go back to your childer child? Absolutely,

1581
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: because your little boy didn't feel safe, correct, and didn't

1582
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: feel seen or loved or protected correct, And so if

1583
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: you were to have been lost or humiliated and made

1584
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: fun of it would have been devastating because you didn't

1585
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: feel supported. Yeah, to work through it, per se.

1586
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 2: And I think I was a lot of that, and

1587
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 2: this is you know, childhood stuff. But I don't have

1588
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 2: a goal except for not to feel humiliated and lost.

1589
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: Because it takes you back to that heartbreaking pain.

1590
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 2: It's just that that trauma that we're all built by

1591
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 2: our own traumas, and everybody's got their own. But I

1592
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 2: don't have a goal, And anything that I've accomplished has

1593
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 2: been fear of not accomplishing it more than accomplishing it.

1594
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 2: You know, if I put a book out, I'm gonna

1595
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: embarrass if it's not a bestseller. So I'm gonna freaking

1596
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 2: kill myself until it is. What's gonna happen once it is?

1597
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: I don't care what if it's not a bestseller?

1598
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: Has it?

1599
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: So everything you've done as an adult has.

1600
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 2: No not everything? You just don't see the stuff that

1601
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 2: doesn't work when.

1602
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: Because you have a whole book called fail until you

1603
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: don't know there's.

1604
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I would probably say it's nine or ten

1605
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 2: to one failures to success. We just don't see the failures.

1606
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: Why I wrote the freaking book.

1607
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 1: Because it's like, have you felt that pain?

1608
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: Though? Oh yeah, I feel like loser all the time constantly.

1609
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: You know now that other people feel that way, right,

1610
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, like you now know that like other people

1611
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: have the same issues, but you still.

1612
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm better at knowing it exists so

1613
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 2: I can acknowledge it, so it's not as severe as

1614
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 2: it used to be, but it still is in there.

1615
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 2: But it's also why I go to therapy and why

1616
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 2: I work on myself. But yeah, my success has never

1617
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: been about accomplishing things. It's been about not being able

1618
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: to not accomplish things, which is not a healthy way

1619
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 2: to live.

1620
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like so many of us

1621
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: are operating off of your base success most a lot

1622
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 1: of people are. It takes a minute, Like my mom

1623
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: also told me this, like the first half. This is

1624
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 1: from Richard Rohor who's like a very wise thinker, but

1625
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: like the first half of your life is just like

1626
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: surviving your life, like having all these situations happen to you,

1627
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: like you have all these things, you have to weather,

1628
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: you have all these like so many people have horrible

1629
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: trauma that happens right in the beginning. And I have

1630
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: noticed if you have trauma that happens like big, big

1631
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: trauma when you are younger, everyone's gonna have trauma. But like,

1632
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: if you have the trauma happen when you're younger, you

1633
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: don't have any other example that life isn't just this trauma,

1634
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, Like I've had some trauma later in my life,

1635
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: but like I knew that that wasn't the only way

1636
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: life is, you know, Like I knew that, like this

1637
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: was just a traumatic season that has to do with

1638
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: like miscarriages. But it's like I knew that, like that's

1639
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:54,759
Speaker 1: not the entirety of my existence.

1640
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 2: You had a foundation.

1641
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm in a trauma season. But like when

1642
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: you're born into trauma and like kind of how you had,

1643
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: like with a brother who was sick and all that,

1644
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: like you just kind of think that's normal.

1645
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 2: It's normal.

1646
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: So I think it's a lot harder to rewire when

1647
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: you are just born into intense trauma, and it takes

1648
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: a lot longer because like the first half of your

1649
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: life is just navigating the hands that you're dealt, you know,

1650
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: And then only until you get older and you have

1651
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: like the ability to be an adult and make your

1652
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: own decisions and like work on yourself, you're like, oh

1653
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: my god, I don't that's not how it's supposed to be.

1654
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: But you've had all these years of just surviving it

1655
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 1: because you had to.

1656
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 2: And I definitely don't think I'm the only I think

1657
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 2: we all have our traumas. Yeah, I think I've been

1658
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 2: very lucky to figure out what mine is and how

1659
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 2: it affects me. Now, that's huge, but everybody has them.

1660
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 2: I don't think mine's any worse than anybody else's in

1661
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 2: different ways.

1662
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: I think you just got it young.

1663
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. I think again, my foundation was

1664
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: built on having no just having no love. Yeah right, yeah,

1665
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 2: but I think that's my answer to that question. Is

1666
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: I accomplished. I think it's cool and fine and stuff,

1667
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: but not a things terrible, miserable. So I don't I

1668
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 2: don't have a goal except to not feel that way,

1669
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 2: which is not healthy. But I know that, so that's healthy.

1670
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: Now I'm trying to.

1671
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: Yes, it's huge that you have that awareness.

1672
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 2: All right, Michael, you're up, buddy, Give give her a question.

1673
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: Oh this is great. I'm always one. Michael and I

1674
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: sit down in his office after Someday goes to bed,

1675
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: and literally we have like two hours worth of conversations

1676
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: where I just grill him with therapy. So I'm happy

1677
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: to hear you.

1678
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 2: It can be any question at all, Any question like

1679
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 2: this is even simple. Absolutely what your favorite color? It

1680
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what it is. Yeah, anything is that's learning

1681
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 2: about her yellow That is.

1682
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: Not my favorite color yellow.

1683
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you get divorced. Now after this, we

1684
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: just you just heard the first fight. Go ahead, okay, question.

1685
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna ask you.

1686
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: Do not ask the same question?

1687
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, he just phrase it different Spanish, no, no, no.

1688
01:14:59,080 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 3: Speak.

1689
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: She also can't tell you what to ask.

1690
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: You can't ask me the same.

1691
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 2: I'll play fullback here. Okay, you can do whatever you want.

1692
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 2: I'll block for you. You have the same question, though,

1693
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 2: maybe you inspired a similar thought though mm hmmm.

1694
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, because I want to know what you want

1695
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 3: to be known for when you look back on your life.

1696
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: That's the same question.

1697
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 3: But I do you ask me that? Why can't I

1698
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 3: ask you that?

1699
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 2: I agree? I side with Michael and a fool back

1700
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 2: over here. He's got he's backing it up.

1701
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 1: Well, I don't. This is going to sound no, it's

1702
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: not tough for me. This is going to sound super

1703
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: like negative, and it's not negative, and I don't. I'm

1704
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: not like a dark person, but like being human. I

1705
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: don't like a lot of the human experience like I

1706
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: personally do not just like love human ing. I think

1707
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 1: it is very hard to be human. I don't like

1708
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 1: having to interact with all these people and all their

1709
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: emotional debrees and my emotional degree and all the trauma

1710
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: of life and people like not connecting and getting along,

1711
01:15:58,040 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: and all the pain that people cause each other and

1712
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: all that, Like, I don't like it. I don't like tragedies.

1713
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: I don't like a lot of the human experience. I

1714
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: do not prefer and I don't think fame is cool

1715
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: because I think when you get famous, I think you

1716
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: have all these people then that get involved with your life,

1717
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: and then you have like all this whole other world

1718
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: of like energy on you that like, I don't like

1719
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: all the energy. Like I'm so sensitive to energies. I'm

1720
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: such an impath that like I literally like walk in

1721
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: a room and if I like really don't guard myself up,

1722
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: I will feel every single thing that every person in

1723
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: the room is feeling. And then I before I worked

1724
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: on myself a lot, I would just be depressed about it.

1725
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: I would cry about it. I'll think about people all

1726
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: the time. I think about all the things that happened

1727
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: to them, and I just like get overwhelmed with the

1728
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:46,480
Speaker 1: human experience. And so I don't necessarily like if we reincarnate,

1729
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: I just pray this is my last life, Like I'm

1730
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: just ready for to go to the next place, Like

1731
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: I just want anyway.

1732
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 2: I love humane human yakay.

1733
01:16:54,240 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: So I for me, it is so to me that

1734
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: I'm in alignment with myself, Like I know when I'm

1735
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: doing something that feels totally in sync with my soul,

1736
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: that feels like this is one of the gifts I have.

1737
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: This is how I can help people, help myself. I

1738
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: don't like causing conflict with people. I don't like causing stress.

1739
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: I like to feel just easy with people in life.

1740
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: And so Sonny is I really didn't have a real

1741
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: purpose for life until Sonny came around, because I was

1742
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:33,440
Speaker 1: just trying to like make things happen, pursue career endeavors,

1743
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: like make something happen for my own personal game. But

1744
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,600
Speaker 1: like I've never really loved being a human anyway, So

1745
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm really like trying to I don't

1746
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 1: really care about the personal game because I just I

1747
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: just I know there's something so much bigger happening as

1748
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: far as like God and while we're here, but like

1749
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: we have to live this human life. So anyway, I'm

1750
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 1: rambling and people are gonna think I'm a looney tune,

1751
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: but I am.

1752
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,759
Speaker 2: If they did, they would have already thought that, yeah,

1753
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 2: you're not really doing anything. Yeah we're good. Yeah yeah,

1754
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 2: So your answer would be my.

1755
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,799
Speaker 1: Answer would be to do that.

1756
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 2: That's the doorbell up in the house.

1757
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: I want to have peace in my life. I want

1758
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: to have peace in my life. I want to feel peaceful.

1759
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: I want to have the most amazing relationship with Sonny,

1760
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: which I'm so thankful that I do. Like I just

1761
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: being with her is the absolute like joy of my existence.

1762
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: Like I don't care about it. I just I don't know,

1763
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: Like I think, what was your question?

1764
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 2: What do you want to be known for?

1765
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 3: What do you want to be known?

1766
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't care what people know me for.

1767
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: But really I.

1768
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 1: Want to be peaceful, and then however anybody wants to

1769
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: think of me is fine. I want to I want

1770
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: to be known in my heart that I am a

1771
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: good person. I've done well, I've done the best I can.

1772
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 2: So yours is more what you want to know you for?

1773
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: Because I don't care what people know. I don't know

1774
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: what people are going to think of me anyway, and

1775
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: I can't figure.

1776
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 3: It out to change my answer, all right, Michael hit me, okay,

1777
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 3: doctor bones in the house.

1778
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 2: Literally it can be which peper color? Yeah, no, don't don't.

1779
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 3: Are you gonna run for any kind of political office?

1780
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: I hope not in Arkansas? I hope not, Okay, meaning

1781
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 2: I only feel like I will if I'm like this

1782
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 2: sucks and I feel like I need to, you might

1783
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 2: need to. I feel like I probably will. But would

1784
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 2: it be like a governor thing or I don't know.

1785
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 2: I hope not. No, Okay, I hope not a right,

1786
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: but you would do? I feel like I probably will

1787
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: at some point, yes, okay, cool, But I hope not.

1788
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: You would, but you are you would? You could handle

1789
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: all that.

1790
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 2: I'm already used to people hating me for no reason

1791
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 2: or people you know, you never really get used to it.

1792
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 2: But I my skin is thick, yeah you know, and

1793
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 2: you can handle it. I think I could handle it

1794
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 2: in a way. I don't need it for any reason.

1795
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 2: I don't need it for money. I don't need it

1796
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: for fame. I think those are the two things that

1797
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: a lot of people go they want power. Yeah, I

1798
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 2: don't need it. I got more of a platform all

1799
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 2: of that that I would leave this to do. I

1800
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 2: have more doing this than I would doing that where

1801
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of people become corrupt in power,

1802
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 2: corrupt in because it's new, right right right? I mean

1803
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 2: the politicians are the new rock stars, right So I

1804
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 2: hope not. But probably final questions for me, Caroline, what

1805
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 2: I need thirty seconds? Caroline to answer this question in

1806
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: thirty seconds? Okay, that's part of the here. What do

1807
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 2: you see in Sonny that she got from Michael?

1808
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 1: Her joyful spirit? She is always doesn't meet a stranger,

1809
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: She loves life, she always finds the joy, and I

1810
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: definitely think she got that from you.

1811
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 2: Michael. Well, if you put parameters on her, she's awesome. Yeah,

1812
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 2: just if you just leaned back and from her. Yeah,

1813
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: I've done enough podcast whe her to know you can

1814
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 2: either sit back and enjoy the ride or buckle in

1815
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 2: and here we go. Michael, what about her? Still You're like, Ah,

1816
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: it's cool, She's she's still like this like your wife,

1817
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 2: don't care, Like yeah, where you're like, when know we've

1818
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 2: been together forever, but it's still so cool. She's still

1819
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 2: like this her.

1820
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 3: You're like your your your love and spirit for life,

1821
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 3: Like I know you just said, like I'm always sad

1822
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,759
Speaker 3: about it like you you have such a light about

1823
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 3: you that you've never lost, like even even in the things.

1824
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 3: And you're you're such a supportive, like amazing cheerleader in person,

1825
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 3: not only for me but for our daughter and your

1826
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: friends and people you love. And like that is you've

1827
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 3: always been that way since the day I met you,

1828
01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 3: Like you've always had a light every time you walk

1829
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 3: into a room, you always talk to everybody. You're always

1830
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 3: so personal and you're sweet to people, Like you're a

1831
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 3: good person and you're sweet to people, like and the

1832
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 3: thing is, like a lot of people may think that

1833
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 3: is bullshit, but like I've known you for fifteen years,

1834
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 3: like it, it's just legit.

1835
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 2: You're nice, You're yeah yeah, And I haven't known you

1836
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 2: like he has. But I agree.

1837
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't want people to be sad. I don't like

1838
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 1: people to be sad.

1839
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 2: I don't like I think you make yourself said where

1840
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 2: I father, people are sad.

1841
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: And I've been sad a long time because I've been

1842
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: so sad that people are sad. So I've had to

1843
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: like work on that.

1844
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 2: But well, guys, look we've done Mike Colin, We've been

1845
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 2: doing this. I think we starting on Monday, and it's

1846
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: Wednesday now, yeah, it's been three days now, yes, four

1847
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 2: days later. Mike's got a beard, So follow Caroline. Just

1848
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 2: go to It's Carrow Hobby at Carrol Hobby, Michael's at

1849
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 2: Michael Hobby. Also a thousand horses. Go follow them on

1850
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 2: socials only if you like the music though, because they've

1851
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 2: giving you any of that now we'll give you live.

1852
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 2: They even know that rubbed up crap. Just influencers and

1853
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 2: they picked up my groceries and they walked it down here.

1854
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 2: Yeah that was nice.

1855
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: Hey you ordered from Thrive. That's a that's honestly everyone

1856
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't know about Thrive. It's the best online shopping,

1857
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: so so good.

1858
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: All right, that's it, Thank you all, Thank you Bobby,

1859
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 2: thanks for having us. This is good stuff. And let's

1860
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: start recording now. Mike, I know we did this whole

1861
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 2: warm up.

1862
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast

1863
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 5: production