Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're never stuck on oh
Speaker 1: and two, We're getting that win in week three. I'm
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio with
Speaker 1: Patrick Claybond Nick Shook joining us from Cleveland. And Yes, Patrick,
Speaker 1: a lot of teams entered Week three, zero and two,
Speaker 1: and they got their first win.
Speaker 2: And some of them in a surprising fashion. Yes, which
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get to it. And perhaps some
Speaker 2: maya culpa and some apologies are old, but that's that's
Speaker 2: why we play the games. Greg, that's right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're Brownie is on the wrong side
Speaker 1: of it, and yeah, we're gonna We're gonna group them
Speaker 1: all together. Actually in the second segment of the show, uh, Nick,
Speaker 1: But I was happy in the afternoon games. It felt
Speaker 1: like there weren't like great games going on, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady just had three Cowboys stinkers in a row.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly the Rams start coming back, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: start coming back, and the you know, the football gods
Speaker 1: they always end up delivering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even the Cardinals made a little interesting you're down
Speaker 3: the stretch against the Lions. It was a nice little uh,
Speaker 3: late hour or late window witching hour. We had a
Speaker 3: little bit of fun down the back end.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: But we are going to start this recap in New
Speaker 1: Orleans in one of the most entertaining games in the
Speaker 1: history of football, that entered the fourth quarter at three
Speaker 1: and zero.
Speaker 4: Let's go to the Superdome.
Speaker 5: On a time. Let's look be for an interception car
Speaker 5: backfield motion tipped the car back car steps up, Hey us,
Speaker 5: he fires the football and.
Speaker 3: It is interception and it's set up by.
Speaker 6: Right pla good ship. They tender stepped up by right
Speaker 6: qua good ship. Not the Eagle to on a pullout
Speaker 6: for the.
Speaker 4: Opposite Oh, turn out the lights on the Saints that
Speaker 4: is Merril Rees and Mike quick on w I P.
Speaker 4: Who would have thought it?
Speaker 1: The defense getting it done in the end in a
Speaker 1: game where the Eagles had the ball, like I said,
Speaker 1: scoreless going into the fourth quarter, fifteen to twelve in
Speaker 1: the final and it was fitting that the Eagles defense
Speaker 1: sealed the game because this was an outstanding response by
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia defense at large. Jalen Carter monster game, Brandon
Speaker 1: Graham played well, they set the edge. Alvin Kamara in
Speaker 1: the Saints rushing attack held to eighty nine yards on
Speaker 1: twenty nine attempts in a game where it was close
Speaker 1: all game and the Saints were trailing at some point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they kept trying to run the ball and it didn't work.
Speaker 1: And then eventually, despite a lot of injuries Patrick, the
Speaker 1: Eagles offense gets it done with Saquon Barkley. But to me,
Speaker 1: it was the defense who stuffed Kamara on some fourth downs,
Speaker 1: got quick pressure there on Derek Carr and got the
Speaker 1: interception to seal the.
Speaker 2: Game, and that was the story of the game throughout
Speaker 2: its entirety. This coming into the game through two weeks
Speaker 2: of football, a top ten offense of all time, the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four New Orleans Saints, where they struggled to
Speaker 2: get to one hundred and fifty passing yards. The zone
Speaker 2: run the big sip Fangio's plan to stop this zone
Speaker 2: attack with Alvin Kamara, they utilize that talent that we
Speaker 2: just haven't seen a type of performance like this from
Speaker 2: them throughout the season. They come and they get it
Speaker 2: done in a big spot. But to the only way
Speaker 2: that this happens h without Lane Johnson to finish the game. Yep,
Speaker 2: without Jordan Malata speak on it. It's Saquon Barkley with
Speaker 2: the play of the game. Essentially with no Aj Brown
Speaker 2: coming into the game, they lose Davante Smith, he's out
Speaker 2: in the concussion protocol and it's it's all Saquon.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Saquon Barklay's game changing run in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter.
Speaker 6: It is second out of five. Did they keep it
Speaker 6: on the ground with Saku Barkley?
Speaker 1: They do?
Speaker 4: He breaks three.
Speaker 6: He's at the fifteen, the poorty the party.
Speaker 7: He's going to go touchdown, shake.
Speaker 8: Barkley sixty five.
Speaker 5: Y touchdown runs at the Eagles not only score.
Speaker 1: But they take the lead.
Speaker 4: So that was to start the quarter.
Speaker 1: It was right after the Eagles shut down a third
Speaker 1: and one play call where Dennis Allen, you know, calls
Speaker 1: the run that they stuff him. They go fourth and
Speaker 1: one to start the fourth quarter. They stuff him again.
Speaker 1: I think Allen was in his head a little bit
Speaker 1: because he was conservative earlier in the game, not going
Speaker 1: for a fourth down in Eagles territory, and then the
Speaker 1: defense who had just been on the field all day
Speaker 1: and was clearly gassed. I know, it sounds crazy in
Speaker 1: a game that you know, finishes fifteen to twelve, and
Speaker 1: like I said, was three to nothing before that touchdown shook.
Speaker 1: But the Eagles offense played well all day. They ended
Speaker 1: up with four hundred and sixty yards the Saints had
Speaker 1: two nineteen. The only reason the game was this close
Speaker 1: to the score was so low was Jalen Hurts had
Speaker 1: a couple turnovers and there was a couple fourth down
Speaker 1: fails by the Eagles, so they'd have these long drives
Speaker 1: that weren't going anywhere. And this is why they brought
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley and to do it, like Patrick said, without
Speaker 1: their right tackle Lane Johnson, who went out with the concussion,
Speaker 1: without Makai Beckton, without DeVonta Smith on their last offensive
Speaker 1: touchdown drive he went out as well, and aj Brown
Speaker 1: obviously was not available for this game.
Speaker 4: Like it was gutsy stuff to get them to two
Speaker 4: and one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get a slack message earlier in this game,
Speaker 3: that from David Eli, of all people actually, who said
Speaker 3: I think the Eagles offense is broken, And I just said, yeah,
Speaker 3: kind of. But what is one thing that you can
Speaker 3: always rely on? Me as the lobbyist to the nation's
Speaker 3: capital on behalf of the ground game, I am the
Speaker 3: face of this party and I'm coming here right now.
Speaker 3: It's baby, run the damn ball because it worked out
Speaker 3: in their favor. When you lose your tackles and you
Speaker 3: lose your top two receivers, what can save you a
Speaker 3: good ground game And that's exactly what happened for the
Speaker 3: Eagles of Saquon Barkley, and it really is. It's wonderful
Speaker 3: to just watch him flourish with the Eagles after those
Speaker 3: trying years with the Giants, but to do it in
Speaker 3: this situation where you're coming off of a game where
Speaker 3: you collapsed against the Falcons on national TV, and you're
Speaker 3: going into New Orleans where we spent the entire week
Speaker 3: singing the praises of Clint Kubiak, He's gonna save Dennis
Speaker 3: Allen's job. Bill Belichick does an entire stick fell about it,
Speaker 3: and Saquan is the one who turns. He just reverses
Speaker 3: the entire narrative and the Eagles gonna win on the
Speaker 3: road eight times.
Speaker 1: I knew we were probably in trouble when I had
Speaker 1: the Saints Black Party podcast guys on on Thursday and
Speaker 1: this game and I'm thinking, like, oh, they should be
Speaker 1: a head by more. I mean a lot of things
Speaker 1: went right for the Saints in this game. Look, they
Speaker 1: lost Eric McCoy, their center on the third play of
Speaker 1: the game. That was a problem for them, But Trevor
Speaker 1: Penning was losing his matchup, like I said, trying to
Speaker 1: get to the edge in the running game.
Speaker 4: In general, they didn't look quite as smooth.
Speaker 1: I was wondering, how's Derek car gonna play when they're
Speaker 1: trailing and you just need normal dropbacks. And I gotta say,
Speaker 1: despite the score and despite that interception, I thought he
Speaker 1: played pretty well.
Speaker 4: Like actually, their.
Speaker 1: First drive of the game, he hits a couple of
Speaker 1: really tough throws to Olave on those plays we talked
Speaker 1: about third and long, and then they get the ball
Speaker 1: after that Saquon touchdown and they're down seven to three,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, Okay, this is the first real adversity
Speaker 1: that they've faced all season. They get an extended field
Speaker 1: goal drive, and then they get a really good touchdown
Speaker 1: drive to take the lead back. They missed the two.
Speaker 1: They're up twelve to seven. They don't get the two,
Speaker 1: which ends up being a pretty big play in the game.
Speaker 1: But Car played well on that drive, hit o'lave for
Speaker 1: a touchdown where he just toasted Seed Douce. So to me,
Speaker 1: I thought, these are two really good teams who are
Speaker 1: having to survive despite some injuries, but especially on the
Speaker 1: Eagles side, Devonte Smith took a brutal hit as a concussion.
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson was seen vomiting on the sideline. History of concussions.
Speaker 1: That's really concerning, uh for him and Sydney CD deuce
Speaker 1: c J Garter Johnson, who is now on the other
Speaker 1: side of this rivalry, just he's a quote machine and
Speaker 1: we love to hear from him.
Speaker 9: They thought they had us all on a little seven
Speaker 9: rounte live. Okay, cool, but the ain't nothing to go
Speaker 9: over my head all day.
Speaker 6: Ooh cool, it's cool, it's cool.
Speaker 9: We got the best secondary BENSI line, best front seven
Speaker 9: in the league right now, and I'm popping it. And
Speaker 9: I'm popping it because at the end of the day
Speaker 9: they told him, but they said we were down and out.
Speaker 9: They're going by last week and I'll look at you now, listen,
Speaker 9: we keep receipts. That's what I told y'all in my room.
Speaker 9: See y'all Sunday. But I told y'all fold they got
Speaker 9: rid of me. I ain't get rid of him.
Speaker 6: It's still in me and he's still tell it on me.
Speaker 6: I ain't worried. Come on, give another one.
Speaker 1: That is chauzea Garter Johnson bridget content in the mix
Speaker 1: asking him some questions there. Love that dude, especially considering
Speaker 1: he did get dust for the go ahead touchdown. Had
Speaker 1: some negative plays in this game, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't get he's saying. He's saying things to
Speaker 2: get a rise out of other people. Like that's purely
Speaker 2: how it operates.
Speaker 6: Sometimes it gets them yards on the field and sometimes,
Speaker 6: you know, people could say it motivates the other day.
Speaker 6: I don't know. If they're not trying hard, then then
Speaker 6: what are they doing out there? Anyway? But no catches
Speaker 6: for Rashid Shaheed today, which I think is a big
Speaker 6: part of what CJGJ was going.
Speaker 2: On about there at the end, was that's fair. He's
Speaker 2: gotten behind everybody. He didn't get behind the eagle secondary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good job by Quinny and Mitchell.
Speaker 1: Maybe broke up a play early that again they got
Speaker 1: pressure on car and it could have been a long
Speaker 1: touchdown to Shahi Shei. Couldn't take it in like it
Speaker 1: was just a yard or too short, and it's those
Speaker 1: are the fine margins. And then a couple other times
Speaker 1: where Shahi just didn't seem like he fought for the
Speaker 1: ball well or miscommunication with car including on that last interception.
Speaker 1: So a different vibe out of this Saints team and
Speaker 1: the Seagos team. Now both two and one. I think
Speaker 1: they're both going to be in the playoff mix. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you had a much happier Sirianni postgame than we've had
Speaker 1: in the last few weeks.
Speaker 3: This guy is a freaking winner. He won at Alabama,
Speaker 3: he won at Oklahoma, he won. He's been like like
Speaker 3: he's been winning here over and over and over and over.
Speaker 10: And you know what, We're the Philadelphia ego, so we
Speaker 10: understand we're gonna get criticism, but this dude's a freaking winner.
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts is a winner and he won today.
Speaker 4: He absolutely did.
Speaker 1: Look the first interception by Hurts was a ball to
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith that normally would be a J Brown's route,
Speaker 1: I think, and he kind of got out muscled for
Speaker 1: the ball by Tyron Matthews, having a monster season. I
Speaker 1: actually thought Jalen Hurts did some great playmaking in this game,
Speaker 1: and we should mention that Dallas Goddter had ten for
Speaker 1: one to seventy.
Speaker 4: I mean that I shouldn't have.
Speaker 1: I should have maybe a bitched that a little earlier.
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, And yeah, they had the ball
Speaker 1: a third and long. I believe it was a long
Speaker 1: down and distant situation with about one minute to go,
Speaker 1: and they run a mesh pick play of their dreams
Speaker 1: where three Saints their safety howden I believe in Lattimore
Speaker 1: and another player all collide and it just opens up
Speaker 1: the entire left sidelight and Goddard goes for sixty one.
Speaker 1: I thought this The Eagles did a nice job calling
Speaker 1: plays down the stretch of this game. All right, let's
Speaker 1: go from one team that was undefeated in the Saints,
Speaker 1: the two teams that were undefeated entering Week three.
Speaker 4: Let's go to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 8: Now, Cordero Patterson moves right to left, across the formation
Speaker 8: in front of fields back to pass throws over the
Speaker 8: middle of the field.
Speaker 6: It's Calvin Austin.
Speaker 11: He has a step, Austin heading straight up the middle
Speaker 11: of the field in time to ten to the five touchdown.
Speaker 11: Calvin Austin fifty five yards from fields to Austin.
Speaker 4: Oh, let's sweeter than that Nellie's blueberry pie.
Speaker 8: Baby, what a job catching that rock over the middle,
Speaker 8: out running all the LA Chargers back end boys.
Speaker 6: To the end zone. That's how you take it and
Speaker 6: stuff it in the end zone.
Speaker 1: That was Rob King and Craig wolf Ley of w
Speaker 1: d v E. I love seeing one of these great
Speaker 1: Justin fields throws completed for a long touch that. I
Speaker 1: feel like all his best throws this year have been
Speaker 1: called back by penalty or have just been flat out penalties.
Speaker 1: Fields also adds a rushing touchdown on a day Nick shook,
Speaker 1: where Yeah, the Steelers in the second half just didn't
Speaker 1: allow any yard.
Speaker 4: It just wasn't gonna happen. Twenty to ten Steelers win.
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert aggravates his high ankle sprain in the middle
Speaker 1: of the third quarter and after that it looked like
Speaker 1: it was pretty one sided.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. The Chargers were won of the first
Speaker 3: two games with being a physical team and their defense
Speaker 3: kind of carrying them. I mean, obviously they ran away
Speaker 3: with the win against the Panthers last week, but they
Speaker 3: met their match that they met a team that did
Speaker 3: it better than them, and especially once they lost Justin
Speaker 3: Herbert because then TJ. Watt and Herbig could just tee
Speaker 3: off off the edge and just get after him, and
Speaker 3: they didn't really have a chance. But the beauty of
Speaker 3: this game, it all comes down to Justin Fields. He's
Speaker 3: been under a microscope for years, and especially in his
Speaker 3: first two starts, so he wasn't asked to do too much,
Speaker 3: and in this game he took that next step forward.
Speaker 3: It's like we're watching his maturation kind of in real time.
Speaker 3: Not to get like hyperbolic about it, but that's how
Speaker 3: much better he was today and more comfortable. That was
Speaker 3: the most important thing was he looked much more comfortable
Speaker 3: than he has for most of his NFL career. And
Speaker 3: there were moments where he got the show off that arm.
Speaker 3: There was one player where he was rolling to the
Speaker 3: right and just let one rip, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 3: the Fields I saw at Ohio State that I have
Speaker 3: not seen except for a few moments in the NFL.
Speaker 3: If they can get him like this consistently over the
Speaker 3: course of a full season, then they're gonna be a
Speaker 3: much better spot. Russell Wilson's not going to see his
Speaker 3: job again. But the beauty the other beauty in. This
Speaker 3: was Calvin Austin because look, we spent time before the
Speaker 3: season started, why aren't they making this trade for Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 3: That might be the worst three receiving group or receiver groats.
Speaker 4: They tried, they tried, they thought they had it.
Speaker 3: Came through.
Speaker 4: He came through.
Speaker 6: He came through today.
Speaker 3: He led them in receiving. He had that touchdown reception.
Speaker 3: It's really nice to see them not just lean on
Speaker 3: George Pickens and Pat Fryermuths escially on a day where
Speaker 3: they ran the ball decently well, but you didn't have
Speaker 3: to have justin fields trying to make euro plays. It
Speaker 3: was just a good team win from them. You know
Speaker 3: your defense is gonna be good, but their offense stepped
Speaker 3: up too, is really encouraging.
Speaker 1: So they end up doubling more than doubling. The Chargers
Speaker 1: in totally are three forty six to one to sixty.
Speaker 1: So that's the best day on offensive Steelers have had.
Speaker 1: I think Patrick that one of the most underrated stories
Speaker 1: of the last couple of weeks. And I got admitted
Speaker 1: I didn't watch that Steelers game from last week until Friday,
Speaker 1: so we haven't done a show since then. I think
Speaker 1: Justin Fields is playing really good football. Like they're not
Speaker 1: getting any designed runs for him, at least in the
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: None. It's all been his throws.
Speaker 1: And they forced him today to be efficient on underneath
Speaker 1: throws and over the middle, and he did it. And
Speaker 1: so for the first two weeks, I thought his play
Speaker 1: has been really good and it sounds like it continued.
Speaker 2: It's almost as though it's a commercial. It's a campaign
Speaker 2: for playing in the preseason. Because Justin Fields comes in,
Speaker 2: he's in the quarterback battle. He's adjusting to Arthur's Smith.
Speaker 2: They had a package for him, which is what they
Speaker 2: were able to roll out against Atlanta in Week one.
Speaker 2: That small package explaanded into a game plan. It expands
Speaker 2: even more and now we're starting to see this fully
Speaker 2: fleshed out Justin Fields where he did have the mistake
Speaker 2: he was looking for Cardell Patterson in a little bit
Speaker 2: of traffic, the ball gets tipped, two guys hit it,
Speaker 2: it eventually gets picked off. But other than that, he
Speaker 2: took care of the ball. He had a great read
Speaker 2: on an option keeper for a touchdown run. The pass
Speaker 2: to Calvin Austin. There was a couple of balls to
Speaker 2: George Pickens on the sideline as well, justin fields playing
Speaker 2: really good football right.
Speaker 1: Now, right Nick, he only had six yards rushing. He
Speaker 1: had that rushing TD, but he actually hasn't added a
Speaker 1: ton of rushing value this year. Like, even going into
Speaker 1: this week, he was pretty low on the list of
Speaker 1: like rushing vat, which is if he's playing winning football
Speaker 1: without doing that, you would figure that they're going to
Speaker 1: figure that part out eventually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Week one was his most important rushing game and
Speaker 3: it was really just to keep the Falcons from getting
Speaker 3: back on the field. That was not necessary today because
Speaker 3: he was able to function in the passing game. A
Speaker 3: lot of it was underneath. But he was decisive. I
Speaker 3: think that's the most important thing is that he was decisive.
Speaker 3: He wasn't frazzled and rushed and had to try to
Speaker 3: extend plays because we knew he held on the ball
Speaker 3: way too long in Chicago. He was not doing that today.
Speaker 3: And like, those are massive markers for me, because if
Speaker 3: you look at them over the course of an entire season,
Speaker 3: if they stick with him, he needs to continue to
Speaker 3: build upward like this, and he's doing a really good
Speaker 3: job from week to week. The growth has been tremendous,
Speaker 3: and I know it's only one week to the next,
Speaker 3: but now I'm just really excited to see how he
Speaker 3: plays over the next few weeks if he keeps that job,
Speaker 3: which I think right now he's made a great case
Speaker 3: to keep that job. There's no reason to replace him,
Speaker 3: no matter how healthy Russell Wilson is.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about here? I just I talked
Speaker 1: about it with Damashek on Thursday night. It's like all
Speaker 1: the people that are there and their sources with the
Speaker 1: Steelers and they're like, no, this is going to be
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's job. I've never believed it for a second.
Speaker 1: Tomlin's got to keep stringing this out till he has
Speaker 1: to make a decisions. There is no decision to make.
Speaker 1: He's playing nine. Yeah, there's zero chance he would ever
Speaker 1: bench justin fields if he's playing this well. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter anyways because his other quarterbacks not healthy. It's
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter, none of that part matters. Look,
Speaker 1: this is a defensive team, and Teach got after it.
Speaker 1: I saw him get a crucial sack on Joe around Joe.
Speaker 1: All that was on Taylor Heineke late in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: justin Herbert, like I said, aggravates what was a high
Speaker 1: ankle sprain?
Speaker 4: Do you think he should have played in this game?
Speaker 6: Shook?
Speaker 4: Like how how did he look?
Speaker 1: Cause when I saw high ankle sprain, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change my pick. I gotta change my pick
Speaker 1: to the Steelers. Then he was starting, I was like,
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta stick with my pick. And then
Speaker 1: they got me.
Speaker 6: They got me.
Speaker 1: Shuck.
Speaker 3: I hate to say this because I don't want to
Speaker 3: pin it solely on the staff, but I think this
Speaker 3: is an example of a coach being a little too
Speaker 3: stubborn and deciding, look, he's our player, he's our best quarterback.
Speaker 3: He's the guy that's gonna help us win without realizing that,
Speaker 3: Like because he was very immobile in the pocket for
Speaker 3: the most part, even even before he aggravated that injury.
Speaker 3: It was there was one play where he got taken
Speaker 3: down by two guys and got the ball out for
Speaker 3: a first down, where I was like, I hope he
Speaker 3: doesn't get hurt there. Like it just it's you know
Speaker 3: what Herbert does, Like he's good at throwing on the run,
Speaker 3: he's good at navigating the pocket and everything else. He's
Speaker 3: talented a number of different ways, but when he's playing
Speaker 3: essentially playing on one foot, it's gonna limit him. And
Speaker 3: to put him out there at risk in week three,
Speaker 3: when you have the whole season ahead of you, I
Speaker 3: just thought it was a bad decision. Obviously, hindsight is
Speaker 3: a privilege here, but I just felt from the beginning
Speaker 3: like you were forcing something they didn't need to be forced.
Speaker 2: And looking into that shook because we think of Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert being out there in the flat big making throws
Speaker 2: on the run. No attempts on the run today, not
Speaker 2: a single lettempt to run from Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: I mean then again, like the ball moved somewhat in
Speaker 1: the first half and they're tied, and they had a
Speaker 1: touchdown and a field going early to sixty yard drives.
Speaker 1: They literally had negative five yards in the second half.
Speaker 1: I mean the afful They only had fifteen plays, so
Speaker 1: even that is a credit to the Steelers offense. But
Speaker 1: that's three three and outs where they went for a
Speaker 1: combined negative three yards and then one.
Speaker 6: Other and the touchdown.
Speaker 2: They fake a screen on the left side and Joey
Speaker 2: Porter Junior jumps that Quentin Johnston for the second week
Speaker 2: in a row, a defense just forgets he's out there.
Speaker 6: That's how the touchdown happened.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: They also didn't run the ball well on that by
Speaker 3: the way. That was a big part of it too,
Speaker 3: is the fact that for the first time this year,
Speaker 3: they just didn't run the ball well.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins finishes with forty four yards Gus Edwards. Clearly the
Speaker 1: backup now only ends up with nine yards on three carries.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Mike Tomlin talking about the defense.
Speaker 12: We better respond that way. You know, there's a nickedness
Speaker 12: in this business. At this level. There's nowhere to hide. Well,
Speaker 12: you got a challenge like that walking in your venue.
Speaker 12: You better fight with the number one rusher and rushing
Speaker 12: team coming into our building. And so let's be real clear,
Speaker 12: they gotta fight. They don't have a choice.
Speaker 4: M tough week for the Chargers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: Not just no cover, but you're out there without cover
Speaker 2: and your name. There's nowhere to hide anything the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Man, It's amazing how different you can feel after one week, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: this Herbert thing seems like I could be a recurring problem,
Speaker 1: or maybe he'll be maybe he'll get better with a
Speaker 1: little bit of rest. But Joey Bosa left this game
Speaker 1: with a hip injury. He was off to a strong
Speaker 1: start this season, and so there's your two best players
Speaker 1: right there. Big concerns for them, Less concerns in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: where the Vikings are just one of the best teams
Speaker 1: in the NFL.
Speaker 8: I guess Donald shot down three receivers left, but now
Speaker 8: month motions for the right across the formation.
Speaker 4: Sam looking right, swings back to the center.
Speaker 6: Fires and touching.
Speaker 11: Chill and Nailer.
Speaker 8: That's three for Donald today, three for Nailer this season,
Speaker 8: and the Vikings lead by three touchdowns.
Speaker 4: It's twenty zero Minnesota.
Speaker 1: KFA n Paul Allen always knows just that's the right
Speaker 1: thing to say.
Speaker 4: Donald wasn't done.
Speaker 1: He added a fourth touchdown to Johnny Munt, former Rams
Speaker 1: tight end, but we didn't like that call quite as much.
Speaker 1: Thirty four to seven Vikings over the Texans. Wow, two
Speaker 1: to two and a teams. I'm not gonna say I'm
Speaker 1: stunned here. I actually picked the Vikings on our show
Speaker 1: game debut, just said that, Yeah, it's a toss up.
Speaker 1: Brian Flores throws a lot at these opposing offenses. It's
Speaker 1: tough for a young quarterback to deal with. But wow,
Speaker 1: Patrick thirty four to seven. I did not see that
Speaker 1: coming here.
Speaker 6: No wire to wire as well.
Speaker 2: Whether it was the offensive line who did give up
Speaker 2: four sacks, but on any number of explosive plays for
Speaker 2: the Texans, they just gave They gave Sam Darnold way
Speaker 2: too much time. It couldn't get consistent pressure. Justin Jefferson
Speaker 2: is Justin Jefferson. Nobody, nobody's gonna be surprised on that one.
Speaker 2: But Jalen Naylor adding that touchdown third on the season.
Speaker 2: He's getting almost five yards of average separation on his
Speaker 2: plays and then over on the other. So Brian Flores's
Speaker 2: defense pressuring C. J. Stroud forty four percent of his dropbacks.
Speaker 2: He was six of eleven on those plays with sixty
Speaker 2: six yards, touchdown and a pick. Aaron Jones gets one
Speaker 2: hundred yards on the ground.
Speaker 1: There's had a receiving touchdown two forty six yards receiving.
Speaker 6: Looking spry, I'm ready to say through three weeks this
Speaker 6: is the best team in the NFL. It's just, oh yeah,
Speaker 6: what what else do we need to see?
Speaker 4: What else?
Speaker 6: I believe they've shown me, Nick, I don't know. I
Speaker 6: don't know what it's gonna take for everybody else they've
Speaker 6: shown me.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we're not gonna, you know, jump to
Speaker 3: conclusions after three weeks, but we do have to identify
Speaker 3: somebody as the best team, right and they us complete
Speaker 3: football through three weeks without a doubt. And I'm trying
Speaker 3: to as I look at them, I think, well, what's
Speaker 3: their stronger, you know side? Because Sam Darnold's playing way
Speaker 3: better than most people expected. We know that Kevin O'Connell
Speaker 3: has handiwork there, spingerprints all over it. He's got a
Speaker 3: great receiver in Justin Jefferson and all that. But the
Speaker 3: defense that Brian Flores has cooked up so far just
Speaker 3: continues to produce. They had Brock Purdy in mental knots
Speaker 3: last week. They have CJ. Stroud with arguably his worst
Speaker 3: game as a pro. Maybe we could probably go back
Speaker 3: and track the numbers from last year, but he was
Speaker 3: definitely not comfortable, and they run away with it against
Speaker 3: the team that a lot of people, including myself, had
Speaker 3: picked to go to the super Bowl in the AFC. Now,
Speaker 3: obviously not having Joe Mixon does hurt them a lot
Speaker 3: but I mean I was a little bit shocked by
Speaker 3: the result, not because I don't believe in the Vikings,
Speaker 3: but just because I thought the Texans would put up
Speaker 3: more of a fight. And that's you know, kudos to
Speaker 3: the Vikings for how well they're playing football on both
Speaker 3: sides right now.
Speaker 1: Now, this is the second straight week where, like you know,
Speaker 1: the yards for play and the yardage don't quite match
Speaker 1: up with the lopsided score for the Vikings, yet they've
Speaker 1: just been really efficient. I think what is awesome to
Speaker 1: see here is a third year of a regime change
Speaker 1: coming together. And the whole idea of bringing in JJ
Speaker 1: McCarthy now was supposed to be that, Okay, we haven't
Speaker 1: been able to do certain things in the past, but
Speaker 1: this is going to be year two of this Flora system.
Speaker 1: We're bringing in all these new defensive players. They understand
Speaker 1: this complex scheme. Well, we'll be able to support him
Speaker 1: with the defense. The running game has been absolute trash
Speaker 1: the last two years. We're going to bring in Aaron Jones.
Speaker 1: We've learned the scheme a little more like we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a running game ready for McCarthy. Now, it's not McCarthy,
Speaker 1: it's Sam Darnold, who's been probably a little better than
Speaker 1: anyone could have bargained for. But the other stuff is
Speaker 1: all true. They were able to rely Patrick on the
Speaker 1: running game today and they're obviously relying on this defense,
Speaker 1: which right you know, through three weeks again, I would
Speaker 1: say is the best in the league right now overall,
Speaker 1: because they blitzed on fifty percent of their snaps today
Speaker 1: and they got pressure on forty five percent of them.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Garnard gets three sacks. Did you say that one?
Speaker 4: I lost track?
Speaker 1: Like Jonathan Garnard in the Revenge game gets three sacks,
Speaker 1: the Neil Hunter doesn't get any. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: about this scheme that's putting these guys in position to
Speaker 1: win and yes, scrambling c J. Stroud in his makeup
Speaker 1: up like at one point he just cleared to had
Speaker 1: his hand on his heads, seeming like he was like
Speaker 1: wondering what the heck is going on here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, not like necessarily seeing ghost type situation, but they're
Speaker 2: just they're everywhere, and you have to make so many
Speaker 2: decisions so fast, and that veteran group they just know
Speaker 2: where to be grew. Jay Hill had an interception on
Speaker 2: a tip ball like even when you do make the
Speaker 2: right read and you get time defensive lineman gets a
Speaker 2: hand up, goes to grew Jay Hill the interception that
Speaker 2: kind of started this whole landslide of events where Minnesota
Speaker 2: gets a Justin Jefferson touchdown. Right after that, it's seven nothing,
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, it's fourteen nothing and they're
Speaker 2: trying to come back. But the vast majority of the
Speaker 2: run game, like Chandler gets seven carries, it was nineteen
Speaker 2: carries for Aaron Jones or one hundred and two yards.
Speaker 2: He averaged five point four yards per carry. It's they're
Speaker 2: just they were hitting on all like every aspect of
Speaker 2: the game was working out in their favor. And yet
Speaker 2: daneil Hunter's only play in his revenge game on the
Speaker 2: other side was a late hit on Sam Darnald where
Speaker 2: he had to leave the game. He came back in thankfully,
Speaker 2: because that was a concerning moment.
Speaker 1: For Okay, so there are going to be further tests
Speaker 1: on his ankle. So usually when you finish out the game,
Speaker 1: that's a good sign, but that is a little bit
Speaker 1: of a concern for Darnald. Yeah, and it's some of
Speaker 1: these guys that had just been around and like no
Speaker 1: Flores is cam bining them is in there making plays.
Speaker 1: And Stefan Gilmore I think has turned out to be
Speaker 1: a you know, he's been in Florest's system before.
Speaker 4: A nice signing for them.
Speaker 1: And they're just they're very deep and they might have
Speaker 1: the best home field advantage in football. Laramie Tunsel was
Speaker 1: called for five penalties in this game, three false starts
Speaker 1: and two illegal formations and another illegal formation that was declined.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we give the home crowd credit
Speaker 1: for the illegal formations, but all the false starts, five
Speaker 1: freaking false starts, like that place is rocking. They love
Speaker 1: this team, shok, Like, give me a better home crowd.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who would who would top them
Speaker 1: right now? In the NFL, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you always have your your your mainstays are
Speaker 3: like Seattle in Kansas City, Seattle. But the thing is
Speaker 3: is the Dominy Hills were on third down because they
Speaker 3: play that horn, which is really obnoxious, but apparently it's
Speaker 3: pretty effective. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think the Dome, I honestly, I just think the
Speaker 1: Superdome was going nuts to start the game. I think
Speaker 1: a great Dome crowd is just always going to be
Speaker 1: better even than a great open air crowdah for for
Speaker 1: obvious reasons.
Speaker 4: So here we so we're talking themes here three and oh.
Speaker 1: Teams we got The Vikings are three and oh, we
Speaker 1: just talked about the Steelers are three and oh. And
Speaker 1: I do think, and Damaschek said it on Thursday night,
Speaker 1: was very like Week three is gonna flip a lot
Speaker 1: of the things you thought you knew from the first
Speaker 1: two weeks.
Speaker 4: And that's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: But I do think some of the stories have been
Speaker 1: established team wise, the Vikings and the Steelers, and I
Speaker 1: would throw the Saints in there. I know they lost
Speaker 1: this game, but of the teams we just talked about,
Speaker 1: like they are big parts of this season. And then
Speaker 1: some players are just different. We talked about Barkley. He
Speaker 1: ran faster on his long run than he has run
Speaker 1: on any run in five years. He looks different this year,
Speaker 1: justin Fields looks different this year, and Sam Darnold looks different.
Speaker 1: We gotta start having to believe, all right, let's look
Speaker 1: at some teams that looked a little different on Sunday.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna be
Speaker 1: back with the revenge of the zero to twos back
Speaker 1: on NFL Daily, and ye I said. A lot of
Speaker 1: teams entered Sunday oh to two, A lot of them
Speaker 1: escaped with a win and avoided really the dreaded oen
Speaker 1: three where it just feels like your season is over
Speaker 1: and that means it is time for the Sunday Drive,
Speaker 1: presented by the all new hybrid Toyota Camery.
Speaker 4: Let's go to Dallas.
Speaker 6: It's up to the offense to close this out.
Speaker 8: Lamar faked it. Jeff week Keepton on the quarterback read
Speaker 8: option and he's out to the forty five yard line.
Speaker 4: Let's see the exact spot.
Speaker 8: Starts down Ravens and with one forty eight in Dallas,
Speaker 8: let it to play for the first time in twenty
Speaker 8: twenty four, Hayes in the barn.
Speaker 1: Good to hear the hay is in the barn again
Speaker 1: from Jerry Sandusky. W be a l and yet if
Speaker 1: you were listening closely, you might have hear just a
Speaker 1: huge sigh of relief from Sandusky before he put that
Speaker 1: Hey in the barn because that ten yard run prevented
Speaker 1: the Cowboys from getting the ball back during a mad
Speaker 1: fourth quarter where they went from twenty eight to six
Speaker 1: to twenty eight to twelve. Patrick starts yelling in the
Speaker 1: newsroom twenty eight to eighteen.
Speaker 4: Patrick starts really.
Speaker 1: Yelling in the newsroom and talking about how he didn't
Speaker 1: get any food earlier in the day. He can't do
Speaker 1: that when this is happen twenty eight to twenty five.
Speaker 1: And then he's actually just silent, which I was flipping
Speaker 1: tables and now and now he was just silent at
Speaker 1: that point. And the Ravens got the ball back after
Speaker 1: Cavante Turpin cut it to twenty eight to twenty five,
Speaker 1: and they did ice it with a couple first downs.
Speaker 1: Lamar as Lamar does wins it with his arm, first
Speaker 1: with a nice first down and then with his legs,
Speaker 1: and it should.
Speaker 6: Have never at all gotten to that point.
Speaker 2: There was there was a Brandon Aubrey on sidekick, which
Speaker 2: you know, it's one of the announcer jinks.
Speaker 6: Doesn't happen. But I'm looking and i see Brandon Aubrey
Speaker 6: sit the ball on its side, and I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 6: I've never seen one of these spinny on.
Speaker 1: Side You said it, you said this spinny on sidekick.
Speaker 6: Yeah, never never seen it. Successful. Of course, Sayflowers Bungles
Speaker 6: that and the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: It was kind of funny, to be fair. I was
Speaker 2: like it had some knuckleball. Yeah, Brandon Aubrey can kick
Speaker 2: the ball six hundred miles an hour. I'm sure you
Speaker 2: kicked the ball to the moon if he needs to.
Speaker 2: But he kicks a he strokes a sixty five yard
Speaker 2: earlier in the game. Tacular Greg pointed this out that
Speaker 2: the Ravens keep going into games where the opposing.
Speaker 6: Kicker is better.
Speaker 4: Yes, and happened again.
Speaker 2: This was true again today. But you to tell me
Speaker 2: that Baltimore yet again a massive lead in the fourth
Speaker 2: quarter in a game where Derrick Henry has twenty five carries,
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty one yards and two touchdowns, that
Speaker 2: they cannot hold onto the lead. After the game, coach
Speaker 2: Harball is saying that, yeah, maybe they played things a
Speaker 2: bit conservatively on offense and defense, and at a certain
Speaker 2: point when this continues to happen, when they're blowing leads
Speaker 2: to the Raiders like that. There's, of course, the memorable
Speaker 2: loss to the Miami Dolphins where they have a huge
Speaker 2: lead in the fourth quarter of the Dolphins storm all
Speaker 2: the way back at some point it's a trend, but
Speaker 2: they do after these consecutive possessions, finally have an opportunity
Speaker 2: where they just keep the ball in Lamar's hands and
Speaker 2: he gets the first down pass to Zay Flowers ultimately
Speaker 2: runs it out. But it shouldn't be this difficult against
Speaker 2: a Cowboys team that on the interior could do nothing
Speaker 2: to stop the Ravens run game, that where they've had
Speaker 2: trouble all season long.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's why it's it's tough. The conservative play
Speaker 1: calls on defense that kills me. I mean, do what
Speaker 1: got you there? They were absolutely dominant in the first
Speaker 1: three quarters of this game on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4: On offense.
Speaker 1: It's tough because I did not see this comeback because
Speaker 1: Henry was running the ball so well.
Speaker 4: Twenty five for one to fifty one.
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, Justice Hill five for thirty three signed
Speaker 1: a nice little two year extension, not for much money,
Speaker 1: but nice money for a backup court running back over
Speaker 1: the weekend, and then Lamar fourteen for eighty seven. Lamar
Speaker 1: only ran, I mean only through the ball fifteen times.
Speaker 4: Shook.
Speaker 1: This was an old school Ravens game. Like Lamar's first
Speaker 1: MVP season, until it wasn't and Patrick mentioned it.
Speaker 4: It has been a trend.
Speaker 1: They have ten losses when leading by seven plus in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: That is the most in the NFL. It's kind of
Speaker 4: mystifying to me.
Speaker 3: I saw a booth shot and the Chargers game of
Speaker 3: Greg Roman, and if I hadn't seen that, you could
Speaker 3: have convinced me that he might have been in the
Speaker 3: booth for the Ravens today because of what they put
Speaker 3: up rushing wise. I mean, you're right, it's an old
Speaker 3: school Ravens win, but those numbers, you're absolutely right too
Speaker 3: that that should be a force that allows you to
Speaker 3: put a game like that away on the road, take
Speaker 3: the air out of the building and instead of the
Speaker 3: building came to life in the fourth quarter and was rocking,
Speaker 3: and you could barely even hear Brady in the broadcast
Speaker 3: because it was so loud.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got it done. And like, here's the thing is,
Speaker 3: you move to oh to three and everything gets tense
Speaker 3: and you start thinking about we've blown this whole season
Speaker 3: and everything else. You just need one win. You need
Speaker 3: one win, and Jerry Sandowsky just needs to put the
Speaker 3: hay in the barn one time you get back on track,
Speaker 3: and they did it today, and I think that's really
Speaker 3: all that matters. More than anything. It's it is nice
Speaker 3: on a day where you're not throwing the ball that
Speaker 3: often to see Lamar complete that past those a flowers
Speaker 3: down the sideline.
Speaker 5: That was.
Speaker 3: It was a gutsy throw. It was a gutsy play
Speaker 3: call and they were able to deliver. So I my
Speaker 3: one complaint about the Ravens is stop running Derrick Henry wide. Please,
Speaker 3: in moments like that, stop running him wide as much.
Speaker 6: As you get. Yeah, I really wanted them to get
Speaker 6: in the pistol.
Speaker 2: Towards the end, they had a shotgun run to Derrick
Speaker 2: Henry which could have cost him the game. He slips
Speaker 2: down and then yeah, and then another one he's trying
Speaker 2: to hurtle defender. Cowboys almost got the punch out there.
Speaker 2: Things got needlessly complicated. Yeah, towards the end, when it's
Speaker 2: you you have the two time MVP, perhaps let's just
Speaker 2: snap him the ball and allow him to do what
Speaker 2: he does. But again, Derek Henry has had such a
Speaker 2: solid game and this defense played better, way better. You
Speaker 2: do wonder how much of that was Dallas because looking
Speaker 2: at the separation.
Speaker 6: Only one Cowboys receiver had more average separation than three yards.
Speaker 6: Ceedee Lamb wasn't getting free a whole lot, and it was.
Speaker 6: It's just so difficult.
Speaker 2: It seems like Dallas is having to do absolutely everything
Speaker 2: to squeeze out every single first down, Whereas you know
Speaker 2: Baltimore earlier in the game just going up and down
Speaker 2: the field. But like Jack, Dak's having to make checks,
Speaker 2: get out of blitzes. Nothing comes easy for this long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really well put, Patrick, because I just feel
Speaker 1: like Dak is having to be Superman more than ever before.
Speaker 4: He is making all the play calls. He's having to
Speaker 4: make all the plays.
Speaker 1: You see the frustration Ceedee Lamb in this game not
Speaker 1: being able to get open enough because they can send
Speaker 1: so much attention to him. He ends him four for
Speaker 1: sixty seven, but getting upset, and I don't think it
Speaker 1: should be lost that. Yeah, they had like about a
Speaker 1: ninety three to ninety six percent chance to win this game.
Speaker 1: Every moment from halftime on until that last drive. They
Speaker 1: like they were absolutely dominant in this game, pressuring Dak
Speaker 1: and doing what they wanted to do on offense. And
Speaker 1: Henry Okay I know, the the outside runs and the
Speaker 1: shotgun runs are a little tricky, but you gotta feel
Speaker 1: good about the positive momentum that he took from this
Speaker 1: the second half of last week's game where he got
Speaker 1: going to this game where yeah, he ripped off a
Speaker 1: beautiful touchdown.
Speaker 7: Isaiah likely the tight end of the left that gives
Speaker 7: a Derek Henry running right at the middle.
Speaker 1: He's got a whole piece of the fifteen tend me to.
Speaker 8: The ten to five touch down Rivens. The train is
Speaker 8: rolling and the King scores again a twenty six yard
Speaker 8: touchdown run, and the Cowboys.
Speaker 13: Are on the rope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want it to get lost when like
Speaker 1: this signey happened and everyone thought, Wow, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: cool seeing Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson together, And it
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Like guys were bouncing off Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: today he had plus forty five in terms of rush
Speaker 1: yards over expected.
Speaker 4: You know who was it at the end of that?
Speaker 4: Was it Kayln Carson at the end trying to you're.
Speaker 1: Not gonna knock the ball up, bro, try to cat
Speaker 1: tackle him or maybe just knows he can't tackle.
Speaker 4: People were just bouncing off this man's body. It was
Speaker 4: pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had the vintage Derrick Henry stiff arm. I
Speaker 2: believe it was Carson that was on the other side
Speaker 2: of that before that play. Then he gets free there.
Speaker 2: The Ravens had considered, Coach Harball said, making some changes
Speaker 2: on the offensive line.
Speaker 6: They decided to stick with this group. It was late
Speaker 6: in the week. He said. They saw improvement.
Speaker 2: They certainly showed an improvement, especially Daniel Filele in the
Speaker 2: run game. Lamar actually ran in in the postgame news
Speaker 2: or of Coach Harball to talk about how Fallele played
Speaker 2: down the stretch.
Speaker 6: So improvement in that aspect, which is something they really need.
Speaker 1: The largest guard we believe in NFL hit a pretty
Speaker 1: crazy notion to put this man at guard, and it
Speaker 1: did not look good through two weeks. It looked good
Speaker 1: on Sunday and he had just a massive, massive win
Speaker 1: for a team that considers itself a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1: Obviously with the Ravens, I don't know about the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They're one and two, and I'm I'm feeling better every
Speaker 1: week about standing on that tiny table and saying things
Speaker 1: around a collapse, because man, just everything looks hard for them.
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are making this comeback at the very same
Speaker 1: time another game that we kind of filed away and
Speaker 1: we thought it was over, and our friend Jordan Rodriguez
Speaker 1: already texting items about the Rams defense and the struggles
Speaker 1: that the Rams had a day. At the same time,
Speaker 1: the Rams start quietly making a comeback, but unlike the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: they finished it off.
Speaker 3: Final five seconds of regulation.
Speaker 4: Cardie from thirty seven to win.
Speaker 6: Its the rookie with the right foot kick off.
Speaker 8: Away and it's a Cardi party at shut five Stadium,
Speaker 8: twenty seven twenty four, their first lead of the game
Speaker 8: with two seconds left, Joshua.
Speaker 4: Carty drills the game winner. That is our friend JB.
Speaker 1: Long for ksp and here in Los Angeles, what a call?
Speaker 4: What a comeback?
Speaker 1: The Rams another one where it was like ninety six
Speaker 1: percent win percentage with about four minutes left in this game,
Speaker 1: as the forty nine ers are driving in field goal
Speaker 1: range up seven, but they get stopped. They missed the
Speaker 1: field goal fifty yard passed down to two to two
Speaker 1: at Well sets up the Rams to.
Speaker 4: Tie it up.
Speaker 1: They get the ball back quickly and yes, suddenly it's
Speaker 1: a Cardi party. The only thing that the Rams did
Speaker 1: wrong in the final couple of minutes was Stafford, you know,
Speaker 1: spike the ball a little too quickly because I wanted JB.
Speaker 1: Long to have that as a game winning field goal call.
Speaker 1: So there was two seconds left and the forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers got a little closer on that on that kick return,
Speaker 1: but it didn't happen, and the Rams get off the
Speaker 1: schneid twenty seven, twenty four. Wow, when when Jordan said that,
Speaker 1: you know this division might be up to the Cardinals
Speaker 1: and Seahawks.
Speaker 4: Who who knew?
Speaker 1: Is that forty nine Ers and the Rams are both
Speaker 1: one and two? But the Rams feel much better about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on a game where they're losing everybody.
Speaker 6: If you look at the targets, Matthew Stafford is spreading
Speaker 6: the book like two two at Well getting five.
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Robinson, I believe had four targets as well, three
Speaker 2: going to Jordan Whittington, five going to Colby Parkinson. Like
Speaker 2: this was vintage matt Stafford with everybody out just willing it.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned the fifty yard bomb to two two
Speaker 2: at well where two two's making a great play to
Speaker 2: two had a pass in this game as well.
Speaker 1: Is that dime should have been completed. But just the
Speaker 1: other I think he was bobbling. It was Tyler Johnson
Speaker 1: as he went out of bounds near the near the
Speaker 1: goal line. They were throwing everything out there.
Speaker 6: And it's it's one of those moments where it's it's
Speaker 6: a Sean McVay team and and you just see the
Speaker 6: guys that because two has been there for years, these
Speaker 6: guys that have come up through the program, they can
Speaker 6: contribute and despite the fact that we haven't seen them
Speaker 6: in volume, it maybe shouldn't be such a surprise when
Speaker 6: when he's had young guys contribute early on and these
Speaker 6: guys are waiting the wings and they have a chance
Speaker 6: to set up and I know the Niners were hurt,
Speaker 6: but yeah, but man, that's that's a great win.
Speaker 1: It's so far it is And you could tell after
Speaker 1: the game how happy and maybe even a little surprised
Speaker 1: Sean McVay was, all.
Speaker 14: Right, foolish, Oh yeah, no, that was what a job
Speaker 14: by our group just continuing to battle, continuing to fight,
Speaker 14: and you know, there's a lot of guts, there's a
Speaker 14: lot of resilience in this group.
Speaker 4: And it's just one game.
Speaker 6: But I'm really proud of them.
Speaker 7: I'm really proud of them.
Speaker 1: What a coaching performance, you know, that feels good in
Speaker 1: a matchup, Nick that hasn't been too kind to the
Speaker 1: Rams during the Kyle Shanahan era, Kyle Shanahan, except for
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship, which is the one he would want
Speaker 1: the most, has tended to lose. I tended to win
Speaker 1: this matchup over the Rams. This was the biggest Rams
Speaker 1: comeback shook because they came back from fourteen in this
Speaker 1: game since Week two of two thousand and twelve against Washington.
Speaker 1: You know who was the tight ends coach of Washington
Speaker 1: back then, it was Sean McVay. You know, it was
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator of that game. Kyle Shanahan RG three's
Speaker 1: second career start, and just what a performance by this team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we talked about them being banged up.
Speaker 3: I mean we kind of counted the Rams out for
Speaker 3: semi foreseeable future because of all the injuries they had.
Speaker 3: But the funny thing was is when he got close
Speaker 3: late and they had the ball and I'm like, it's
Speaker 3: in Matthew Stafford's hands. And at that point anything is possible,
Speaker 3: no matter who is out there, and they proved it.
Speaker 3: And just like Patrick said, you know, it's part of
Speaker 3: the program. These guys who have been around for a
Speaker 3: long time were delivering coming through. It's really great to
Speaker 3: see and it's also really encouraging because this is a
Speaker 3: team that had every reason to count themselves out. And
Speaker 3: as they're in the midst of this comeback at home
Speaker 3: where they're down by two touchdowns, they see shot to
Speaker 3: the sideline and guys are just losing their minds amid
Speaker 3: the chaos. I didn't realize so if I could get
Speaker 3: that loud. And then they finish, of course with the
Speaker 3: Cardi Party. I just keep thinking about walk a flock
Speaker 3: of Flames Grove Street party, but instead of it's a party,
Speaker 3: it's a party. I think of kicking Cardi, kicking Cardi kick,
Speaker 3: and Carday like.
Speaker 6: We gotta get in math.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to cut that track immediately because Cardi
Speaker 2: Party immediately is a great call. And the history comes
Speaker 2: true yet again because there's a crucial fourth quarter interception
Speaker 2: by Matt Stafford that gets dropped by the forty nine
Speaker 2: ers and yet again, specifically because.
Speaker 6: Of that non I int of the Rams room to
Speaker 6: come back and win the game.
Speaker 2: And there's a shot of Kyle Shanahan on the sideline
Speaker 2: losing it as that ball hits the turf, because I
Speaker 2: feel like he could sense it as well. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: really in wasting a huge career performance from Juwan Jennings
Speaker 2: and brock perty only.
Speaker 6: Has eighty completions in this game. Party played well, you
Speaker 6: have three touchdowns now picks.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Juwan Jennings finishes for eleven catches, one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five yards and three touchdowns. I know they
Speaker 1: didn't win the game, but just one of the best
Speaker 1: receiver performances we've seen a long time, because it's not
Speaker 1: just about the box score. It's about the quality of
Speaker 1: the catches, mossing people, tight coverage, picking the ball off
Speaker 1: the turf. It was truly awesome. Let's actually listen to
Speaker 1: his third touchdown catch.
Speaker 13: A Yukon Jennings or slotted left Jay Jayson side Jawn
Speaker 13: just is right. Third down, party back pretty time, Perdy Froche, don't.
Speaker 7: Feel wide open God, Juwan Jennings.
Speaker 14: Has a hat trick it oat lotey touchdown.
Speaker 4: Shan friend just go what what a game?
Speaker 1: And you just could have not told me at that
Speaker 1: point it's twenty one to seven, midway through the third
Speaker 1: that the Rams were gonna come back to win this.
Speaker 4: Game because you said it.
Speaker 1: I thought Perdy played well like Jordan Mason nineteen for
Speaker 1: seventy seven, had a couple catches. Perdy actually was pretty
Speaker 1: effective on the ground. Ayuk has been quiet ten targets
Speaker 1: only only forty eight yards. But those Jennings catches over
Speaker 1: and over just going really into my heart. I know
Speaker 1: no one cares about anyone else's fantasy team, but let
Speaker 1: me tell you how dumb you feel when you picked
Speaker 1: up Juwan Jennings as your first waiver pick middle of
Speaker 1: the week and then by the end of the week
Speaker 1: dropped him. Oh no, And then for some reason, sometimes
Speaker 1: I just delete tweets for no reason, just after a while,
Speaker 1: just like I didn't really like that one.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna delete it. I don't care. I feel
Speaker 4: better about life for some reason.
Speaker 1: I tweeted in the middle of the week, Juwan Jennings
Speaker 1: is about to have the best month of his life.
Speaker 1: And for some reason I deleted that tweet too, So
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just feeling like I could have been yourself.
Speaker 6: This loss is like, yeah, it's personal. I mean, Ellis
Speaker 6: should be thanking you.
Speaker 4: Ah, that's true.
Speaker 6: You made this happen, Greg.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 1: My beautiful daughter, her thirteenth birthday on Saturday was awesome.
Speaker 1: You feel a different sort of ways, literally sprinting after
Speaker 1: five thirteen year old girls, like running through traffic as
Speaker 1: we're going to dinner. But it is amazing. It was
Speaker 1: an amazing moment for me as a dad, just seeing
Speaker 1: her growing up like this. But it was her weekend.
Speaker 1: Her rams weren't gonna lose. Yeah, not on this weekend.
Speaker 1: Happy birthday else, all right, And one last thing from
Speaker 1: this game. I did want to pass along our texts
Speaker 1: that we get from Jordan Rodriguez, the athletic who's obviously
Speaker 1: a big part of NFL Daily too. She sent us
Speaker 1: some notes. After going down to the locker room. She
Speaker 1: talked to Josh Carty. He did not kick all week.
Speaker 1: This is a rookie quarterback who didn't kick all week.
Speaker 1: Got some warm ups in Friday, and that's it. And
Speaker 1: goes out there and just pipes a game winder under pressure.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Jordan also asked Sean McVay about just how the identity
Speaker 1: is just changing with this team from a week to
Speaker 1: week basis. Look, they used like twelve personnel early in
Speaker 1: this game with two tight ends, which they never do.
Speaker 1: But then they rotated to eleven personnel with the three
Speaker 1: wide receivers to disguise some red zone and screen looks,
Speaker 1: and everything just was like mixed up, and she thought
Speaker 1: it's the best coaching job from McVeigh maybe that she's
Speaker 1: ever seen. Because the defense was still a huge problem
Speaker 1: in this game. They really could not get stops at all.
Speaker 1: They were pushed around by the forty nine ers, and
Speaker 1: yet they found a way to get a win. Happy
Speaker 1: times in Los Angeles, Let's head to the Browns in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: where it's not so happy.
Speaker 15: Bunch formation to the right now Neighbors and motioning to
Speaker 15: the left. Jones had a shotgun set singletary to his right.
Speaker 15: Jones back to throw looks fires one left corner of
Speaker 15: the end zone.
Speaker 6: Neighbors makes a diving catch, but did he get his
Speaker 6: feet in?
Speaker 13: No signal yet, Yes, touchdown in the back left corner
Speaker 13: of the end zone. Jones threw it high and Neighbors
Speaker 13: went up and got it, the rookie second touchdown in
Speaker 13: as many weeks.
Speaker 4: This kid's just different, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lake Neighbors is awesome. The New York Giants are awesome.
Speaker 1: For one week, they got it done. Look, their offense
Speaker 1: played well last week. Neighbors finishes eight for seventy eight.
Speaker 1: He had another touchdown later, but that one was absolutely sweet.
Speaker 1: That was Bob Papa on w f A and Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson and the Browns offense get the ball back a
Speaker 1: bunch in the second half of this game. It was
Speaker 1: twenty one to seven by halftime and the Giants didn't
Speaker 1: add any points, but the Browns did not add enough
Speaker 1: shook and the Browns are now one and two, zero
Speaker 1: and two at home, and the Boo Birds were out
Speaker 1: for mister Watson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, rightfully, So I hate to start with the negative,
Speaker 3: but the Browns offense is lost, completely lost. Their quarterback
Speaker 3: is wildly inconsistent, wildly inaccurate, not comfortable, slow to make
Speaker 3: his decisions. They don't lead on the run game except
Speaker 3: for ten carries for Jerome Ford in this game. He
Speaker 3: popped off a couple, then he fumbles on a drive
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter when they're trying to mount a comeback.
Speaker 3: It was just it's an ugly picture. They don't adjust
Speaker 3: well during games. Kevin Stefanski is twice now when his
Speaker 3: quarterback is under constant duress from opposing pass rushes, he
Speaker 3: waits until the third quarter to dial up his first screen.
Speaker 3: Like they're just slow to do everything, react, adjust everything.
Speaker 3: And that's all I'm gonna say about the negative side,
Speaker 3: Because the Giants have taken a really good step forward.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's gonna hold. But for one week,
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones looked more than competent. He looked confident and
Speaker 3: consistent and delivered the football on time and used his
Speaker 3: legs to plays and kept drives going. And Devin Singletary
Speaker 3: did enough in the running game. But of course, the
Speaker 3: story all revolves around the guy that Daniel Jones trusts
Speaker 3: the most, even though they've now only played three games together.
Speaker 3: And his name is Malik Neighbors. And if you don't
Speaker 3: know his name, you should know it by the end
Speaker 3: of this podcast, because he's a star and he's not
Speaker 3: going anywhere, and he's going to be a household name
Speaker 3: real soon, if he isn't already. He is phenomenal and
Speaker 3: there was some serious talent in this receiver class and
Speaker 3: this year, in last year, he might be the best
Speaker 3: out of his class. He's just a different guy.
Speaker 2: And I think we can it's safe to say through
Speaker 2: three games he has been the best of this rookie class,
Speaker 2: with all due respect Tomorrovin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 6: And in the accomplishment that he has that will.
Speaker 1: Throw the quarterbacks in there too. He's a rookie of
Speaker 1: the year right now. It's early.
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, the touchdown, the call that you heard at
Speaker 2: the start, Malik Neighbors is open. He has beaten Emerson
Speaker 2: by five yards and it winds up being a highlight
Speaker 2: catch that Daniel Jones throws high and behind Malik. He
Speaker 2: has to jump in three sixties spin and we can
Speaker 2: celebrate the touchdown. But looking back at it, that was
Speaker 2: a bad pass.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 6: Horriful fast and Malik Neighbors turns it into a good pass.
Speaker 6: And earlier in this game, he absolutely goes on top
Speaker 6: of Himerson and just mosses him yep, directly over over
Speaker 6: the top of his head.
Speaker 3: I think it was on that drive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was on the drive. So like at the
Speaker 6: at the very least the defender got a chance to
Speaker 6: see that one and watch the league neighbors kind of
Speaker 6: come back and make a circus catch. But he's just
Speaker 6: so good and the reason he and the pass rush
Speaker 6: were the reasons, and you know, Wyatt Teller goes down.
Speaker 6: Of course, Cleveland's had problems getting their tackles on the
Speaker 6: field all season, but Dexter Lawrence has two sacks.
Speaker 2: Brian Burns has a sack, including a crucial strip where
Speaker 2: you felt like there might have been some hope for
Speaker 2: the Browns, like they could they consistently got the pressure
Speaker 2: and you know, all credit to the Giant secondary as well,
Speaker 2: but Deshaun Watson has has held the ball. You can't
Speaker 2: it's tough to say before we look at all twenty
Speaker 2: two how well the secondary played, because we don't know
Speaker 2: if DeShawn is just bouncing.
Speaker 6: In the pocket.
Speaker 1: He's like, did you think they I guess maybe this
Speaker 1: is just wishful thinking my part, but I was like,
Speaker 1: are they think about benching him here? Because it just
Speaker 1: seemed like he was a I know, the or was
Speaker 1: it more about the offensive line because the pressure numbers
Speaker 1: are crazy. Burns with seven, Lawrence with six, Ojulari with four.
Speaker 1: It was they were all over him. But it just
Speaker 1: seems like he's holding it. He's not knowing what to do.
Speaker 1: He even made a bad decision on when to run
Speaker 1: on a late fourth down. It looked like it was
Speaker 1: gonna be actually the kind of Hay in the Barn
Speaker 1: type of play, but they got the ball back one
Speaker 1: more time because of a missed Giants field goal that
Speaker 1: gave him another drive to catch up it. So it
Speaker 1: just seems like the decision making process is in mud shook.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's slow, Like he's just slow to make a decision.
Speaker 3: He's not confident and you can see his hesitation. I
Speaker 3: mean that play that you just described, that was an
Speaker 3: RPL on fourth and one, which followed a Jameis Winston
Speaker 3: telegraph sneak on third and one because he only comes
Speaker 3: in for sneaks. They run two quarts.
Speaker 4: What are we doing here, yeah, Sean Watson.
Speaker 3: Then they don't adjust well, they're trying to protect him
Speaker 3: or what ever. But he's slow to process, and he's
Speaker 3: also not good at extending and creating anymore, Like even
Speaker 3: when he tries the bell out of the pocket. It's
Speaker 3: like he's running in the mud that you just spoke of.
Speaker 3: So they can't really do anything and they're just stuck
Speaker 3: in first gear this whole time, not to mention that
Speaker 3: his decision making is just just rife with just uncertainty
Speaker 3: and it holds the entire offense back. Yeah, some of
Speaker 3: it has to do with the offensive line for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean they've been they've had a ton of injuries
Speaker 3: up there, and the Giants did a phenomenal job of
Speaker 3: getting after him and beating them with stunts and everything else.
Speaker 3: But it's also on the quarterback. And it's more on
Speaker 3: the quarterback than anything because even when he has time
Speaker 3: to throw, he's still missing open guys.
Speaker 1: I give the Giants some credit. They were criticized heavily
Speaker 1: Shane Bowen for being very static, very predictable, and then
Speaker 1: what do they do. They come out, They blitz Watson
Speaker 1: fifty six percent of the time. That's outrageous. And Watson
Speaker 1: goes on the blitzes. I mean, this is a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 1: He goes eight for eighteen for ninety two yards a touchdown.
Speaker 1: But here's the key, sat In seven sacks all against
Speaker 1: the blitz. I mean, come on, that's just a guy
Speaker 1: that's it's just he's just not see not seeing the field.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to take away anything from the
Speaker 1: giants here who going to Thursday night football. It's such
Speaker 1: a long season, and maybe it'll feel long again if
Speaker 1: they get wax then Thursday night football. But suddenly it's
Speaker 1: like you look at last week and you think, hey,
Speaker 1: their offense actually played pretty well against Washington and if
Speaker 1: they actually had had a kicker, they would have won
Speaker 1: that game. And now they look pretty competent on both sides.
Speaker 1: Wandel Robinson's making plays and like, okay, like I'd feel
Speaker 1: better about them than I feel about the Browns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And honestly, a lot of credit is
Speaker 3: due to the offense and the way that they called
Speaker 3: this game, because they were like blitzed early, like they
Speaker 3: were bum rushed by the Browns. In fact, Jones almost
Speaker 3: threw a pick and it was wiped out by a
Speaker 3: rough in the passer on Greg Newsom, and it felt
Speaker 3: like all the momentum was just going in the Browns
Speaker 3: favor and they were just it was gonna be an
Speaker 3: avalanche and the Browns were gonna run away with it,
Speaker 3: and they bounce back. And what they did really well
Speaker 3: is Stable and Jones and just this whole offense is
Speaker 3: really working together well, knowing what each person's strengths are
Speaker 3: and just highlighting those streets, a lot of underneath pass
Speaker 3: where you're giving guys space to make plays and it's
Speaker 3: you know, run after they catch that type of thing,
Speaker 3: and then you mix in neighbors and it's it's actually
Speaker 3: a pretty nice balanced operation. So, like I said, with
Speaker 3: the Ravens, you only need one, and they got there
Speaker 3: one today, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: All right, They got it, and uh yeah, a shame
Speaker 1: because literally the first play from scrimmage of the game
Speaker 1: was Amari Cooper catching a touchdown and I thought that's
Speaker 1: gonna be the highlight with our friend Andrew Siciliano.
Speaker 4: But it just doesn't feel right to do it now
Speaker 4: you robbed that from us.
Speaker 1: I think that was like the last play they had
Speaker 1: in Giants' territory for almost the entire first half, which
Speaker 1: is absolutely ridiculous. So that the Giants get off the schneid.
Speaker 1: One of the worst looking teams in the NFL coming
Speaker 1: into the week, but not the worst looking could the
Speaker 1: Panthers actually go on the road and get a win
Speaker 1: with the red rifle.
Speaker 16: Here's the snap pressure off the backside. Dalton floats one
Speaker 16: and so on. Dione Ty Johnson back right corner hangs
Speaker 16: on touchdown Carolina Deonta's first touchdown as a Panther.
Speaker 6: Dalton two touchdown passes.
Speaker 16: The Panthers coming into the game hadn't had a touchdown
Speaker 16: pass since the Green Bay game last year.
Speaker 1: That was a nich you're off of wr f X
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton to Deontay Johnson. Look, there's only one quarterback
Speaker 1: in the entire NFL this season who has thrown for
Speaker 1: more than three hundred yards and three touchdowns in a
Speaker 1: single game. That man is Andy freaking Dalton. Let's go
Speaker 1: thirty six twenty two. I'm fired up about this Panthers win.
Speaker 1: I mean, they dominated the Raiders. The score flatters the
Speaker 1: Raiders both sides of the ball. It wasn't just Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: It was the Panthers defense showing up. It was the
Speaker 1: Panthers offensive lines showing up. It was something to see.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you might think, okay, Andy Dalton danked and
Speaker 1: dunked is way down the field like that, throw to
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson I thought was a good example. He made
Speaker 1: some high level throws, some mid range throws over the
Speaker 1: top of the linebacker ahead of the safety, some throws
Speaker 1: up the sideline, a beautiful throw to Adam Thielen for
Speaker 1: the touchdown. That one was under pressure. I mean, he
Speaker 1: played really.
Speaker 4: Well in this game, Andy Dalton, he did.
Speaker 2: He was getting hit as he threw that ball to
Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson with Jack Jones in coverage. Of course, Jones
Speaker 2: is gonna take. It's gonna take some gambles try to
Speaker 2: try to make some plays. But it was good coverage
Speaker 2: and a great pass from Andy Dalton, who I owe
Speaker 2: the most sincere of apologies, not just to Andy Dalton
Speaker 2: but to this entire ross. I did not think that
Speaker 2: there was enough talent on this roster to have this
Speaker 2: type of performance against the Raiders team that looked good
Speaker 2: and come back win last week. But Gardner Minshew really struggled.
Speaker 2: And this this Panthers defense, as zero Eyro's unit just
Speaker 2: came in, made plays. Ain't no cop comes in late,
Speaker 2: gets a touchdown and so now they've got Antonio Pierce
Speaker 2: has a set of decisions to make, but tough to
Speaker 2: look past anything other than a resurgent Carolina Panthers team.
Speaker 6: Cuba Hubbard goes over one hundred yards on the ground, Yes,
Speaker 6: this is where was this? Where were these guys? I
Speaker 6: don't know if this is We could put this all
Speaker 6: on the second year quarterback. No, that's unfair, impossible, but
Speaker 6: just a great week of preparation by everybody in Charlotte, right.
Speaker 4: You do have to give a lot of credit to Dalton.
Speaker 1: I mean, the offense improves this much, and I think
Speaker 1: one thing he did shook in this game, and I
Speaker 1: know you watched the Bryce Young tape, was he waited
Speaker 1: for plays to develop, like if his first or second
Speaker 1: read was open, he looked good. I do think there
Speaker 1: is something to these veteran quarterbacks I've noticed over the years,
Speaker 1: like when they can not have to start seventeen straight games,
Speaker 1: but they've had a lot of experience and they could
Speaker 1: actually play in the first place, which to me is
Speaker 1: the case for Andy Dalton when they get another chance
Speaker 1: to go sling it like he was so grateful for
Speaker 1: the opportunity. He's learned a lot, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's gonna work for twelve or thirteen weeks but
Speaker 1: he's taken pictures before the game with his kids and
Speaker 1: his wife on the field before the game.
Speaker 4: It meant that much to him.
Speaker 1: And then he went out and I think you hate
Speaker 1: to be a cliche here, but I think he had
Speaker 1: like the time of his life. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: having a blast out there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like you're talking about Joe Flacco
Speaker 3: last year. The RME thing exactly, a guy with a
Speaker 3: ton of experience in arm talent who can come out
Speaker 3: there and sling it and isn't overwhelmed by the speed
Speaker 3: of the game. And that's I mean, look, last year,
Speaker 3: we saw it in one game from Dalton three sixty
Speaker 3: one and two touchdowns, three nineteen and three touchdowns. Today,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you what, I see it one more time,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna believing that Andy Dalton can still do
Speaker 3: it for at least some stretches of a season.
Speaker 4: I think we're about to find out.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, it's I'm very excited about it. I'm just
Speaker 3: relieved for Panthers fans, Like they were at the game
Speaker 3: last week with brown bags in their head in Week two.
Speaker 3: In Week two, like you're supposed to have hope in
Speaker 3: week two. Now they got a little bit of hope.
Speaker 3: They went and got to watch their team win a
Speaker 3: game on the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a humbling loss for the Raiders to
Speaker 1: really have it just drilled to you for most to
Speaker 1: the game. I mean, the yardage in the end doesn't
Speaker 1: look that dramatic, but going into the third quarter it
Speaker 1: was extremely one sided. The Panthers had four hundred offensive
Speaker 1: yards going into the fourth quarter and this is supposed
Speaker 1: to be a defensive team. And Antonio Pierce was not happy.
Speaker 6: No, he didn't. I think as the game went on,
Speaker 6: I don't think it was a team. I think there
Speaker 6: was definitely some individuals that made business decisions will make
Speaker 6: business decisions going forward, as well.
Speaker 3: As an upset coach right there.
Speaker 4: I watched that game, I was like, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: think about who he's talking about now.
Speaker 6: He has some.
Speaker 1: Lighter guys in the secondary Jack Jones to Corey and Bennett.
Speaker 1: I thought they've played well that really well this season,
Speaker 1: especially Bennett. I don't know who he was talking about.
Speaker 1: I think their biggest issue on defense was that Max
Speaker 1: Crosby has a high ankle sprain, which we didn't know about.
Speaker 1: He you know, we knew he had an injury that
Speaker 1: he left last week with, but you know, he was
Speaker 1: questioned by the injury report and he was expected to play,
Speaker 1: and he did play, but he had no impact on
Speaker 1: this game. It was so weird to watch a Raiders
Speaker 1: game where Max Crosby's just doing nothing, and then suddenly
Speaker 1: it was like the whole defense just like didn't make
Speaker 1: any sense because Malcolm koons and they have some other
Speaker 1: injuries at the other edge spot, and like Christian Wilkins
Speaker 1: really didn't do that much in this game, and suddenly
Speaker 1: it just I mean, you said it. Chuba Hrvard goes
Speaker 1: for almost one hundred and seventy yard transcriptage. They were
Speaker 1: just like bigger, stronger, faster, tougher. This was the image
Speaker 1: for Dave Canalis that he wanted going into the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the injuries for Max Crosby kind of shows
Speaker 2: up on the stat sheet. His pressure percentage was eight
Speaker 2: point three percent. Were used to saying Max Crosby up
Speaker 2: in the twenties, the twenties and thirties, but Christian Wilkins,
Speaker 2: playing healthy, was sitting there at nine percent. Nobody above
Speaker 2: ten percent, nobody really bothering Andy Dalton.
Speaker 6: And then on the over on the other side, Jadavian
Speaker 6: Clowney is back.
Speaker 2: He and Shaq Thompson above twenty five percent on their
Speaker 2: pressure percentage, and it's just love it. The team, the
Speaker 2: entire team has played so much better. And like Antonio
Speaker 2: Pierce is talking about decisions to make, he's got a
Speaker 2: full set.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think he's got to change quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but I guess crazier things have happened. Minshew, he was
Speaker 1: Minshew in this game. He had one or two crazy plays,
Speaker 1: but he didn't look that much different. Meanwhile, Andy Dalton's
Speaker 1: cashing them checks with each and every win. Every win
Speaker 1: he gets a quarterback wins our thing. He gets seventy
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. That's nice, and he gets a million
Speaker 1: dollars if he can get to seventy percent of the
Speaker 1: regular season snap So if Andy Dalton can say healthy
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year, or he gets another
Speaker 1: million for a playoff berth so that would be exciting
Speaker 1: for that. Let's ahead of our Okay, that's a little much.
Speaker 1: Both these teams kind of deserve to be one. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, I feel like you never know. It's
Speaker 1: a long season. Shook as Jason Pinnock One said, I
Speaker 1: forgot to mention this during the Giants part, but I
Speaker 1: liked it. He said, the Giants have a new team motto.
Speaker 1: You want to know what the team motto is, it's
Speaker 1: I think all the teams can just embrace this. Carolina
Speaker 1: Panthers to the playoffs to get any dot and a
Speaker 1: million dollars it.
Speaker 12: Why not?
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Indianapolis where the zero to
Speaker 1: two team got a little revenge On Sunday.
Speaker 17: Chicago with a ball down by one store and barking
Speaker 17: left to right, all the Colts de fence play action backing.
Speaker 4: Your throw is Williams, and the ball is out.
Speaker 6: It's a strip sack. It's available for it. Man.
Speaker 17: I think the Colts having around the seventeen yard line
Speaker 17: with a strip sack and it's recovered. I think by
Speaker 17: Grover Stewart. Good third takeaway to the.
Speaker 1: Ballgame for the Colts on defense That was Matt Taylor
Speaker 1: of w F and I fitting in there because this
Speaker 1: was a game of turnovers, a game where the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: made a couple of plays but gave the ball to
Speaker 1: the other team, and in this case it was a
Speaker 1: strip sack of Caleb Williams that helped to clinch it.
Speaker 1: One of three turnovers by Caleb Williams in the game.
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson also a couple of picks, but the running
Speaker 1: game of the Colts helps to get it done twenty
Speaker 1: one to sixteen. And yeah, shook, I thought that was
Speaker 1: a fitting end of the game because Caleb did a
Speaker 1: lot of good things in this game. Actually, he maybe
Speaker 1: made some progress throwing the ball down the field, like
Speaker 1: he had this just absolutely gorgeous dime to Adunze in
Speaker 1: this game, and then that play was followed by an interception,
Speaker 1: and he had had his first touchdown throw earlier in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter to make this game close. But then
Speaker 1: they get a ball back with a chance to maybe
Speaker 1: take the lead, and it's a force fumble. So it
Speaker 1: was like one step forward, two steps back for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt like I white knuckled my way through
Speaker 3: this entire game because of the quarterback play on both sides.
Speaker 3: First off, Chicago, what are you doing asking Kayleb Williams
Speaker 3: to throw the ball fifty two times? Okay, it's it's
Speaker 3: It was a pretty close game, Like you could have
Speaker 3: ran the ball and I know you weren't running it well,
Speaker 3: but you could have balanced it out a little bit more.
Speaker 3: You're putting a lot on your rookie quarterback shoulders. Caleb
Speaker 3: has this thing, and he did it against Houston. He
Speaker 3: did it again today where that improviser in him has
Speaker 3: he hasn't quite dropped that entirely, but he also is
Speaker 3: forced to improvise a lot because of the offensive line,
Speaker 3: and it just gets wild like he's he's making guys miss,
Speaker 3: he's spinning around. It's not like Kyler Murray. It's kind
Speaker 3: of different. He's got this cannon arm that he just
Speaker 3: lets it rip and sometimes it finds its target, but
Speaker 3: other times it's out of desperation and you end up
Speaker 3: with turnovers. That's what happened against Houston. That's kind of
Speaker 3: what happened today too. I feel like they don't put
Speaker 3: him in the best spot. But then on the other side,
Speaker 3: Anthony Rigidson through one of the ugliest interceptions you're ever
Speaker 3: going to see, running toward the goal line, trying to
Speaker 3: flip it over a defender. He's easily picked off. And
Speaker 3: then they come out of the half and Shane Stikeen
Speaker 3: has asked about it by the sideline reporter and he goes,
Speaker 3: it's my fault. It's a bad play I call. I
Speaker 3: put him in a bad situation. Richardson immediately rolls to
Speaker 3: the right, rows across his body, sails it over his
Speaker 3: intended target for another pick. So it was just like
Speaker 3: a back and forth, not comedy of errors, but just
Speaker 3: young quarterbacks making mistakes and ultimately the Colts come out
Speaker 3: on top with plays like that. It's a fun watch
Speaker 3: if you want to see, like a tumultuous football game
Speaker 3: and two talented quarterbacks. But my god, I felt like
Speaker 3: I needed a nap or a drink or something after
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 6: Yeah. This game brought to you by talent and inconsistency.
Speaker 2: And you saw it, yeah, time and time again, whether
Speaker 2: it's Anthony Richardson pushing Tray Sermon into the end zone
Speaker 2: along with several of his teammates.
Speaker 3: And you just see the whole team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the explosiveness there.
Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, shook, go watch go watch the
Speaker 2: interception he threw in the back of the end zone,
Speaker 2: roll into his right, he tries to soft toss this
Speaker 2: ball that has no chance.
Speaker 6: You can immediately see the look on his face afterwards.
Speaker 2: But just and congratulate like good call shout out to
Speaker 2: Shane Stichen for trying to put that on himself. Because
Speaker 2: over on the other side, the Bears had a fourth
Speaker 2: and goal and they ran the most hopeless speed option
Speaker 2: that has ever been seen in by mankind. And we
Speaker 2: coming into this game, the Colts have not been able
Speaker 2: to stop anybody on the ground. The Bears have not
Speaker 2: been able to run the ball, and so we were
Speaker 2: going to figure it out. The Bears cannot run the
Speaker 2: ball period, right, it is hopeless. And so for those
Speaker 2: looking at the stat sheet, and you know, we talked
Speaker 2: about Caleb's erraticness, He's having to overcome so much to
Speaker 2: move the.
Speaker 4: Ball, right, Nick, you could say that, how can you
Speaker 4: throw the ball that much?
Speaker 1: But they had eighty four plays because they had these
Speaker 1: long drives, because they were turning the Colts over, because
Speaker 1: actually in terms of possession and everything, they were kind
Speaker 1: of dominated. And they did run the ball twenty nine times.
Speaker 1: They got sixty three yards. I mean, that is just
Speaker 1: absolutely pathetic. And they were down two scores ultimately for
Speaker 1: a good chunk of like the middle of the third
Speaker 1: quarter on, so they had to go into throw up mode.
Speaker 1: When you're that inept. I mean they had one design run.
Speaker 1: I believe that went for more than six yards in
Speaker 1: all those runs. I mean that is that is just crazy.
Speaker 1: And it does point out that that Caleb is not
Speaker 1: playing with a full deck. Richardson, I think is in
Speaker 1: his own head a little bit. You mentioned it with
Speaker 1: pushing the ball, and I thought that the second one
Speaker 1: wasn't a bad decision. The first one was a bad decision.
Speaker 1: Stiking can take the blame for there. It was kind
Speaker 1: of a bad play call because there was nothing there,
Speaker 1: but you got to just throw it away. That needs
Speaker 1: to be an incomplete and a field goal, not not
Speaker 1: an interception.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: The second one I think was just it wasn't that
Speaker 1: bad of a decision. It was more just overthrow because
Speaker 1: he didn't get his feet set and all that and
Speaker 1: that that has been happening and that is disappointed. I
Speaker 1: actually listened to the locker room sound after the game
Speaker 1: of stike In and Richardson.
Speaker 4: It was interesting.
Speaker 1: After stike In fires everyone up, Richardson then takes takes
Speaker 1: over and also says, great job today, everyone, It's gonna
Speaker 1: be the first of many, gives everyone their but then
Speaker 1: sort of somberly says like, I'm gonna be better.
Speaker 4: I got you guys in future weeks.
Speaker 1: It is not gonna be like this, which is just like,
Speaker 1: it's why people love Anthony Richardson, why he's a leader,
Speaker 1: just the way he said it and the way people
Speaker 1: are looking at him, like he didn't need to do
Speaker 1: that in that moment. But you can tell he's not
Speaker 1: happy with how he's playing, but he got bailed out
Speaker 1: by his defense. Seven tackles for lost by the Colts defense,
Speaker 1: four sacks and yeah, last to Latsu, who is my
Speaker 1: defensive Rookie of the Year picked before the season, just
Speaker 1: throwing darts there but was on the injury report and
Speaker 1: ended up having a really nice game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he made a big play there. But you know,
Speaker 3: speaking about Richardson, these are things that he can clean up,
Speaker 3: and I feel like he's in a situation where because
Speaker 3: of the personality has and the respect he already has
Speaker 3: in the locker room as a leader, like it can
Speaker 3: get better over time. He really just needs to clean
Speaker 3: up the footwork and be more consistent in that. Caleb,
Speaker 3: I feel bad for him, not because he's not talented.
Speaker 3: It was the right pick at number one. He's just
Speaker 3: not in a great situation and you can see him.
Speaker 3: I think it was after the second turnover he had,
Speaker 3: he sat down on the bench and he just like
Speaker 3: did the unsnapped with a helmet, sat down and just
Speaker 3: like looked up like.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, what do I have to do?
Speaker 3: He makes some of those mistakes on his own from
Speaker 3: trying too hard, but I mean, I can just feel
Speaker 3: bad for him. I feel like he's playing with one
Speaker 3: hand tied behind his back sometimes and a lot of
Speaker 3: it is scheme. I think it's personal, but it's also scheme.
Speaker 3: They're not doing it any papers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shane Waldron is not a popular man. The offensive
Speaker 1: coordinators for the Bears never seemed to be. But no, look,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Eberfluss's team. This is Ryan Poles team,
Speaker 1: year three, four of the regime. Depending on how you
Speaker 1: want to look at it, coach or GM. They have
Speaker 1: time to turn it around. But it's been a discouraging start,
Speaker 1: especially for the offense. The Colts get to one and
Speaker 1: two back in the mix, and hey, at least at
Speaker 1: Dunze goes six for one to twelve. Comet has a
Speaker 1: nice game. DJ Moore has a nice game. At least
Speaker 1: you got some fantasy numbers. The Colts get off the
Speaker 1: Schneid one more zero to two team I want to
Speaker 1: talk about. They got their first win on Sunday. It
Speaker 1: was in Tampa Bay and uh it was authoritative McLaughlin.
Speaker 11: The tailback, Nick's pitches it right. McLaughlin, Oh, cut, don't stop,
Speaker 11: he did. He outran the pursuit and Denver has a touchdown.
Speaker 1: That is Dave Logan of ko A a running back,
Speaker 1: has never stuffed it in the face of a play
Speaker 1: by play man faster than Jalil McLoughlin. You tell me
Speaker 1: not to stop, stop and got me that touchdown. I
Speaker 1: mean that was one of those play calls. That's a
Speaker 1: fourth and goal and he has a man over just
Speaker 1: absolutely reads the play. I believe it was Anthony Nelson
Speaker 1: and McLoughlin shakes him out of his shoes and somehow
Speaker 1: gets to the edge.
Speaker 4: You never see that sort of play work in that spot.
Speaker 4: I was stunned.
Speaker 1: Good job by Jalil McLoughlin. The Broncos win this game
Speaker 1: twenty six to seven. I had eyes on this game throughout.
Speaker 1: This is an absolute butt whooping. Despite not having much
Speaker 1: of a running game. McLoughlin gets seven yards on five carries.
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams ends up with twelve yards and fight five carries.
Speaker 4: But Bo Nicks was awesome.
Speaker 1: First play of the entire game, back shoulder throw to
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton plus twenty two down the field. Okay, a
Speaker 1: little bit of a pushoff by Sutton, but he trusted
Speaker 1: his receiver to make a play.
Speaker 4: He made a play.
Speaker 1: Third play, a beauty over the shoulder of Reynolds down
Speaker 1: the field. Again, we're saying like Bo Knicks can't throw
Speaker 1: it down the field that time. He was protected well.
Speaker 1: I thought the offensive line really played well all day.
Speaker 1: And then Nicks ends up running in for the first
Speaker 1: touchdown of the game. Nicks ran well all day, nine
Speaker 1: for forty seven on the ground and including a nice scramble.
Speaker 1: He's actually up to one hundred and seven yards on
Speaker 1: eighteen rushes for the season. The Broncos were aggressive. Sean
Speaker 1: Payton went for it on fourth down in his own end.
Speaker 1: Well up two touchdowns, which I was really surprised impressed by.
Speaker 4: Got it.
Speaker 1: Defense was awesome. They they kind of pulled the Bucks
Speaker 1: pants down here in this game. It was very one sided.
Speaker 2: Patrick, Yeah, and that Julila mcgofflin touchdown was on fourth
Speaker 2: down as well, where he gets Anthony Nelson to stop
Speaker 2: and slip and he finishes that drive off with the score.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great performance not just by
Speaker 2: bo Nicks, but this entire team. And two including two
Speaker 2: turnovers from Brandon Jones. One was an interception, one was
Speaker 2: a fumble recovery, patrick'sir Tam was patrick'stan that kind of
Speaker 2: had Mike Evans incarcerated for most of the game.
Speaker 6: And then just the rest of this team continuing to
Speaker 6: make play after play where we're expecting Baker and the
Speaker 6: Bucks to do something, just kept waiting and all the
Speaker 6: Bucks come back, comes and he gets a touchdown to
Speaker 6: Chris Godwin to start the third quarter, and you're thinking, well,
Speaker 6: this is it. Nothing else. This Broncos team goes wire
Speaker 6: to wire and honestly a pretty impressive fashion Nick where
Speaker 6: they just the Bucks could do nothing and they had
Speaker 6: done almost everything to start the season, where I thought
Speaker 6: Baker Mayfield was playing an MVP level and here comes
Speaker 6: Denver to shut all that down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he comes back to earth a little bit.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, they always say, got to have
Speaker 3: rainy days to appreciate a sunny one. Baker had a
Speaker 3: rainy day on Sunday. I think a lot of this
Speaker 3: story is the fact that the Buccaneers allowed Bonis to
Speaker 3: do some things. You look at their pressure rate. They
Speaker 3: had nine pressures, it's twenty three point one percent. They
Speaker 3: blitzed at a rate of forty three point six percent,
Speaker 3: which is yeah, pretty frequent, and yet they didn't get
Speaker 3: the job done. That's that's a concerning sign for the
Speaker 3: Buccaneers in the long term, which had kind of showed
Speaker 3: up in previous weeks, and now we see it bear
Speaker 3: out in this result here. But look man like with
Speaker 3: the other two teams he talked about earlier, you know,
Speaker 3: the Ravens being one of them, is you just only
Speaker 3: need one. You need one win to get back on track.
Speaker 3: And for as bad as Bonnicks looked through the first
Speaker 3: two weeks, it's so much more encouraging to see him
Speaker 3: put together a performance like this. Yeah he didn't have
Speaker 3: a passing touchdown, I don't care. He kept them going
Speaker 3: and they cruised to a win here on the road.
Speaker 3: This is all you need to get back on track,
Speaker 3: reverse some of the you know, momentum from negative to
Speaker 3: positive and allow Sean Payton, you know, some patience with
Speaker 3: his quarterback, so it's really encouraging to see well.
Speaker 1: And they have a little bit of an identity here
Speaker 1: on defense. If I told you, like one of the
Speaker 1: teams in this game leads the NFL and blit percentage
Speaker 1: this year, and it's by a lot, you would think
Speaker 1: it'd be the Todd Bowles Bucks, but it's not. It's
Speaker 1: the Broncos who came into this game and I noticed
Speaker 1: it last week. They were just Kami Kazi on defense.
Speaker 1: Van Joseph in his bag right now. Sometimes it's working,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not, but it was working this game. Seven
Speaker 1: sacks of Baker, nine quarterback hits, forty five percent pressure rate.
Speaker 1: Baker at one point was eleven for seventeen for seventy
Speaker 1: eight yards, So he attacks on some garbage time, you know,
Speaker 1: just when they started playing softer. The blitz numbers were
Speaker 1: even higher earlier, and it was some bad Baker tendencies
Speaker 1: where the pressure to sack rate was pretty high, like
Speaker 1: he was back scrambling around hoping to make a play
Speaker 1: hold in it wasn't happening. Zach Allen has been really
Speaker 1: awesome all season. I think he had seven pressures in
Speaker 1: this game something like that. He has been really good
Speaker 1: for them upfront, so they're they're having a little bit
Speaker 1: of an identity on defense where they're aggressive, and they
Speaker 1: needed to win in the absolute worst way. They were
Speaker 1: the most down bad team in the entire NFL outside
Speaker 1: of Carolina. But considering the way their preseason went and
Speaker 1: the expectations that they had, I think actually they they
Speaker 1: felt the worst of just about anyone, and they came
Speaker 1: out and they looked like it like there is something
Speaker 1: about I think teams that need to win more playing better.
Speaker 4: I really do think.
Speaker 6: I mean it's a thing.
Speaker 4: It's human nature.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Patrick, I just mean, like if
Speaker 1: you're rowing two, you're I feel like you're more likely
Speaker 1: to They come out one hundred and forty three yards
Speaker 1: to twenty three to start this game. It was like
Speaker 1: the Ravens needed that when they came out so strong.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's something to it, Patrick, Maybe we could say
Speaker 1: that the Broncos the trihard. They definitely played better than
Speaker 1: they have that's all. I mean. The first two weeks
Speaker 1: you get a little more focused, you get everything's better
Speaker 1: at during the week.
Speaker 4: You know you need it all week long, and you
Speaker 4: play your best.
Speaker 2: Maybe more opportunity to find out the things that you
Speaker 2: don't do well and to be able to focus on
Speaker 2: the things and the places where you can be successful.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna have to pull, as Nick mentioned, the
Speaker 2: Buccaneers maybe back to to Earth and start to re
Speaker 2: examine those first two wins a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, they had just over two hundred yards last
Speaker 1: week and we're more than doubled, so maybe they were
Speaker 1: a little fortunate there. But you mentioned it's certain awesome
Speaker 1: day against Mike Evan. Certan, who had a slow start
Speaker 1: to the season, a ton of penalties last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: actually kind of been losing his one on one matchups.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is the only cornerback in the NFL
Speaker 1: that they just say, go cover someone with like no
Speaker 1: safety help literally and he's done it. He's had to
Speaker 1: do it three straight weeks. The first two weeks actually
Speaker 1: haven't gone that well against DK and Pickens. It went
Speaker 1: very well against Mike Evans, So props to the Broncos
Speaker 1: their first win of the season. All Right, those are
Speaker 1: all the oh and two teams that got off the schneid.
Speaker 4: We're going to get to the rest of the games.
Speaker 6: After a little break.
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, we're gonna go to Tennessee, where
Speaker 1: one of the best stories of the season is being
Speaker 1: written by the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 4: But first we're gonna hear a little bit from their
Speaker 4: defense from the thirty one. Here's the snap quick throw.
Speaker 6: Right shuper seven shot.
Speaker 4: You're Alexander Hi stepping.
Speaker 8: Henzel touchdown.
Speaker 4: Shot.
Speaker 8: You're Alexander and the Packers lad at sixteen to seven.
Speaker 6: Holly, go.
Speaker 1: Wayne Laravie and Larry mccaarron there on w r n W.
Speaker 1: You looked up and this game just went from seven
Speaker 1: to seven to seventeen to seven in a blink of
Speaker 1: an eye. That happens when Dyra Alexander is out there
Speaker 1: with pick sixes.
Speaker 4: It happens when Malik Willis is as efficient as hell.
Speaker 4: Thirteen to nineteen.
Speaker 1: Yes, he got the start over Jordan Love, who was
Speaker 1: rule an active two hundred and two yards through the
Speaker 1: air on only nineteen attempts with the passing touchdown. Who
Speaker 1: was their leading rusher on the day. It was Malik Willis.
Speaker 1: Six carries seventy three yards. What a performance by this
Speaker 1: kid to and zero the ultimate revenge game. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talk about revenge games. They didn't want you last year,
Speaker 1: they didn't want you the year before, they kind of
Speaker 1: publicly hung you out to dry Mike Rabel and then
Speaker 1: you gave them away from nothing going into this year
Speaker 1: and you lose to them week three. That's amazing.
Speaker 6: It's spectacular.
Speaker 2: And at this point, you know, early last season we
Speaker 2: had the pastorn, not Josh Dobbs kind of taking the
Speaker 2: world by storm coming in on short notice.
Speaker 6: Milik Willis did just get there.
Speaker 2: Like it's not it's not the exact same situation, but
Speaker 2: Milik Willis really literally just gets there. And Josh Jacobs
Speaker 2: gets under three and a half yards per carry, and
Speaker 2: you come in to a world before last week and
Speaker 2: you're telling people, well, hey, Malik Willis is going to
Speaker 2: need to throw for two hundred yards, is going to
Speaker 2: need to have three thirty plus yard Lesians on the
Speaker 2: way to his first two hundred yard passing game with
Speaker 2: seven different receivers on only nineteen attempts.
Speaker 6: Folks would say, you're insane, it's your crazy, You are insane,
Speaker 6: never gonna happen, But Matt Lafleur believes, and Malik Willis.
Speaker 6: He dialed up a game plan for him for the
Speaker 6: second week in a row. He comes through.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Matt Lafleur talking about Malik Willis after
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think anytime, you know, maybe a change of
Speaker 10: sceneries can be good for some guys. And I just
Speaker 10: cannot articulate the job that he's done in the short
Speaker 10: period of time. People can't fathom. I promise you, you
Speaker 10: guys don't get it. I know you think you got it,
Speaker 10: but you don't get it. What he's been able to
Speaker 10: do is I've never seen something like this, So hats
Speaker 10: off to him, hats off to everybody around him.
Speaker 1: I think it's just special to me. It's probably the
Speaker 1: number one like personal story of the season so far.
Speaker 1: I never would have seen that come in and he
Speaker 1: was dynamic on the ground. They cruised to this victory,
Speaker 1: but it was in part because he was making good
Speaker 1: decisions but also is able to run the ball and
Speaker 1: presents that threat.
Speaker 4: And lafloor is being.
Speaker 1: Humble about it, but he's done an awesome job. And
Speaker 1: Malik Willis didn't want to bury the Titans or anything
Speaker 1: after the game. But it's not just about a change
Speaker 1: of scenery. It's about an organization and the Titans have
Speaker 1: work to do. Shook and the Packers these two wins,
Speaker 1: even if Jordan Love comes back next week, it sounds
Speaker 1: like there's a pretty good chance of that. You just
Speaker 1: feel like they're deposits in the mojo bank for a
Speaker 1: team that has really big aspirations here.
Speaker 3: First national mojo bank. That was strangely combative from Matt Lafleur,
Speaker 3: But I think he's been reading some of the press
Speaker 3: clippings and I think he's been hearing the doubt, and
Speaker 3: the doubt came from people like me because Malik Willis
Speaker 3: didn't show us anything that should give us any reason
Speaker 3: to be confident in him prior to Week two, and
Speaker 3: even in Week two, Lafleur did a masterful job of
Speaker 3: building a game plan that didn't ask him to do
Speaker 3: too much, leaned on the ground game, and he made
Speaker 3: his plays in spots, and he was good when he
Speaker 3: made those plays in spots. Don't get it twisted, but
Speaker 3: this week it wasn't just making the plays in spots.
Speaker 3: When you lead, when you throw for two hundred yards,
Speaker 3: when you throw for a touchdown, pass new lead your
Speaker 3: team in rushing, that says everything I need to know
Speaker 3: about him, and it's got like you said, by the
Speaker 3: sweets revenge game. Ever you mentioned the pastor not Patrick
Speaker 3: the pastronaut is who the Titans signed off of the
Speaker 3: Lions practice squad to replace Malik Willis in the middle
Speaker 3: of a season a few years ago. Okay, and now
Speaker 3: he comes back all the way back around with the
Speaker 3: Packers and gets his revenge. It's a great story. You're
Speaker 3: absolutely right. But on the flip side, there was a
Speaker 3: game break and that showed that Gyr Alexander pick six.
Speaker 3: Today there was a Fox game break and I believe
Speaker 3: whoever was doing the play by play in the studio
Speaker 3: called Will Levis something like the turnover or the giveaway machine?
Speaker 3: Is that his reputation?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 3: I know it's been bad through three weeks. How much
Speaker 3: how much patience do you have with this? I mean,
Speaker 3: you gotta figure this out.
Speaker 15: Idea.
Speaker 6: If we if we take the way that they treated
Speaker 6: Malik Willis's That's what I'm saying. He's only got a
Speaker 6: few games.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mason not only did they choose you know,
Speaker 1: Will Levis over Malik Willis, they chose Mason Rudolph over
Speaker 1: Will Levis. So yeah, and that was supposedly a pretty
Speaker 1: tight camp battle. Yeah, they're they're not going to I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing with well Levis is sometimes you get in
Speaker 1: a streak of just some of it is bad luck
Speaker 1: that the turnovers are catastrophic turnovers. Then again, he had
Speaker 1: three turnovers in this game, including a lost fumble. Sure
Speaker 1: you go twenty six for thirty four for two sixty
Speaker 1: and two touchdowns otherwise, But like County on two to
Speaker 1: three turnovers, game is just not how you're gonna win.
Speaker 4: They've like, there's no way Milik Willis would ever be
Speaker 4: caught doing that.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Malik Willis's touchdown pass a screen to
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Wilson.
Speaker 8: Second down, they fake the handoff to Milton, dumps it
Speaker 8: off to Wilson left side.
Speaker 6: He's barreling his way the fifth to the five.
Speaker 4: Pretty touchdown.
Speaker 8: And the Packers cash it in twenty six, just having
Speaker 8: Green Bay eight twenty five.
Speaker 13: To go on the third.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of curious if Wayne Levy brought
Speaker 1: out the dagger mid third quarter, but no, I guess
Speaker 1: I could have listened ahead of time.
Speaker 4: Just just curious.
Speaker 6: Nice game.
Speaker 1: Nice game for the Packers too, who have not been
Speaker 1: great defensively to dominate the Titans on the ground, stopping
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard and Tadja Spears had a combined twenty one
Speaker 1: yards in this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and looking at Will Levis again, everybody's gonna get
Speaker 2: got on the occasional stare down out jyr Alexander's first
Speaker 2: career pick six. But that's eight turnovers now in the
Speaker 2: season for Will Levis. He added another one late looking
Speaker 2: deep to Calvin Ridley. Xavier McKinney gets another pick, which
Speaker 2: Xavier McKinney's had an interception in every game. A great
Speaker 2: pickup this offseason by the Packers. But they just mount
Speaker 2: these turnovers now. And it wasn't a weird one.
Speaker 6: He didn't throw a cartwheel interception or something like absurd
Speaker 6: like he had in the first couple of weeks of
Speaker 6: the season. But the sheer volume of them is.
Speaker 1: Just Yeah, I think the Titans were a little unlucky
Speaker 1: to be owing to their defense had played really well.
Speaker 1: Their defense did not play well in this game, giving
Speaker 1: up that many yards to the Packers completely outplayed. So
Speaker 1: it's the running game, it's the defense, it's not just
Speaker 1: Will Levis. And yeah, the Packers are staying alive in
Speaker 1: the NFC North just just trying to keep up with
Speaker 1: this Vikings team in second place? Would they be tied
Speaker 1: for second place? Let's go to Arizona where the Lions
Speaker 1: tied to get a.
Speaker 17: Win shared working out of the gun takes the Snappies back.
Speaker 1: Four man rush, goff sets gros got on the ball,
Speaker 1: flips it on the.
Speaker 17: Hooking ladder, coming inside the file.
Speaker 6: To the end of down Detroit Lions.
Speaker 4: Oh baby, how beautiful is that?
Speaker 6: Thank you Ben Jonson Man the creativity, the o Fleeflick.
Speaker 6: I don't know what you call that.
Speaker 4: Uh you call that a hooking ladder?
Speaker 1: W x y T Dan Miller and Lomas Brown And yeah,
Speaker 1: there is something just gleefal makes you feel like a
Speaker 1: kid when you see a hooking ladder. Just a play
Speaker 1: like that executed perfectly. The Lions win this game twenty
Speaker 1: to thirteen. Shook not perfectly clean from the offense, but
Speaker 1: this Lion's defense has really played well.
Speaker 4: I think overall this season.
Speaker 1: The running game gets I think almost two hundred yards
Speaker 1: on the ground for the Lions and they hold on
Speaker 1: for a victory over Arizona.
Speaker 3: I would like to before we dive into the Lions
Speaker 3: defense and the way they ground out this win because
Speaker 3: they did. No mistake, it was a war of attrition
Speaker 3: in the second half. It was not the most interesting
Speaker 3: football viewing experience it was. It was a stalemate of sorts.
Speaker 3: But I need to know. Did Ben Johnson pull up
Speaker 3: the tape of the two thousand and seven Fiesta Bowl,
Speaker 3: which happened to be played in the same stadium in
Speaker 3: which Boise State ran the hooking ladder before running the
Speaker 3: Statue of Liberty to upset Adrian Peterson's Oklahoma Sooners. I
Speaker 3: just need to know, because that's what came to mind
Speaker 3: when I saw it. But yeah, I mean, this is
Speaker 3: you know, Jared Goff throws a bad interception in the
Speaker 3: second half, Dennis Gardak makes another great play, and it
Speaker 3: was a bad interception because he just never saw him coming.
Speaker 3: He was going through his progression. And yet the Lions
Speaker 3: hold them there, They turn it over on downs, they
Speaker 3: don't get any points out of it. And that's kind
Speaker 3: of how the entire second half of this game went,
Speaker 3: which was vastly different than the first half. When Lions
Speaker 3: go down and score, Cardinals go out and score. Lions
Speaker 3: go down and score, and it felt like they were
Speaker 3: just going to go back and forth throughout the day.
Speaker 3: The defense made Kyler Murray's life in the second half
Speaker 3: really rough. He's obviously leaning a lot on Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 3: which is good to see. They scored a touchdown. Need
Speaker 3: to establish that connection and keep working on it, and
Speaker 3: they did. But in the second half, they couldn't run
Speaker 3: the ball for most of this game and that really
Speaker 3: hurt their offense. And then he just had nowhere to
Speaker 3: go in the passing game. Even when he tried to
Speaker 3: scramble and extend, it just wasn't working like the week before,
Speaker 3: and you could see him he as visibly frustrated by
Speaker 3: the end of the game because he just felt like,
Speaker 3: what else can I do? What do I have to
Speaker 3: do to try to make this happen. They had opportunities
Speaker 3: to go tie this game. They just didn't convert, and
Speaker 3: that's credit the Lions who go on the road play
Speaker 3: good enough offensively, good enough defensively and get a total
Speaker 3: team win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at the rushing totals for the Cardinals
Speaker 1: Jeames Connor nine for seven team and then the backup
Speaker 1: Spenson and De Marcato don't really get involved if they
Speaker 1: can't run they're just not who they are.
Speaker 4: And you mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Harrison gets sixty four yards and a touchdown in this game,
Speaker 1: but it took eleven targets to get there. Just nothing downfield.
Speaker 1: I've been impressed on tape of this, this Lion's defense.
Speaker 1: I think they've played pretty well up front. I think
Speaker 1: they're slowly getting a little better. And then you have
Speaker 1: the duo David Montgomery for one hundred and five yards
Speaker 1: on the ground. Jamir Gibbs gets eighty three yards. Was
Speaker 1: also the you know, the recipient of that hooking ladder,
Speaker 1: which I guess counts as a reception even though he
Speaker 1: didn't get a reception.
Speaker 3: Zero targets, zero catches, twenty yards, one touchdown.
Speaker 4: That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: I think maybe the way that they scored this as
Speaker 2: a rush because the key difference between because going back
Speaker 2: and looking at the Boise hooking ladder was that was
Speaker 2: more of a catch and then a pitch. I'm on
Speaker 2: raw caught the ball and pitched the ball in the
Speaker 2: same motion. They may not be chest passed it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't even know if they're given i'm on credit
Speaker 2: for catching the ball on that play because he got
Speaker 2: it to Jamiir Gibbs so quickly. As far as execution
Speaker 2: at that point, that's a huge ask considering the spacing
Speaker 2: there of Alman Ross Saint Brown.
Speaker 6: But he delivers and in this Lion's defense.
Speaker 2: Although like there was the loss to the Buccaneers last week,
Speaker 2: you still saw the coverage improvement from a season ago. Yes,
Speaker 2: where people are running free all the time, they get
Speaker 2: pressure on Kyler Murray today. Of course it's Kyler, so
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna run away from some of those plays. But
Speaker 2: when he attempted to pass under pressure, he was one
Speaker 2: of six for seven yards. Yes, it's a great performance
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean Aiden Hudgson coming off a week where he
Speaker 1: gets five sacks and somehow doesn't get Defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the week.
Speaker 6: It's like, I know he.
Speaker 1: Didn't win, but like, are we blind? That should just
Speaker 1: be a rule that you get it. The big win
Speaker 1: for them two and one. I'm always just curious this team.
Speaker 1: We've seen the slow just maturation of them as a team.
Speaker 1: You're coming off a really disappointing loss, you're on the road,
Speaker 1: a tricky plays like that. That's the type of win
Speaker 1: that a good team gets to just bounce back quickly
Speaker 1: they do it. Jared Goff has an interception in this game,
Speaker 1: but otherwise it was pretty efficient. Eighteen for twenty three
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety nine yards. And yes he did ice
Speaker 1: the game. I mean the Cardinals hung around here. They
Speaker 1: kept getting stops in late in the game, so the
Speaker 1: Lions had the ball kneading a first down to ice
Speaker 1: the game away.
Speaker 6: I formation behind golf now they shift single backs.
Speaker 10: Montgomery Skipper in their sixth offensive blinder Golf takes the snap, turns,
Speaker 10: gives nope, boots right, looks, looks being chased golf, running.
Speaker 6: Golf to the fifty, golf to the forty five.
Speaker 4: He slacks for the first down. That is your ball game.
Speaker 4: Jared Goff doing it with his legs.
Speaker 6: We came in talking about Kyler Murray being a problem.
Speaker 6: Kyler Murray was gonna break your heart for his legs.
Speaker 4: You know who just broke their hearts?
Speaker 2: Number sixteen Jared Goff, Jared Goff, Jarreri Goff.
Speaker 1: Like, I think there was like a tind of sarcasm there.
Speaker 1: I just assumed it when he was a comparative to Kyler,
Speaker 1: But I don't know that felt some full throated Jared
Speaker 1: goff Love and why not his long run That might
Speaker 1: be his long run of the entire season.
Speaker 4: Good job by him.
Speaker 1: Sama Porter left this game with a low ankle sprain,
Speaker 1: so that is something to keep an eye on. They
Speaker 1: have struggled to kind of develop the secondary receivers. I
Speaker 1: know Jamison Williams had a big couple of games, but
Speaker 1: he was totally apposent in this one. One catch nine
Speaker 1: yards and otherwise it was quiet outside of a mon
Speaker 1: ross Saint Brown with seventy five yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Let's head to Seattle, where yes it was not too
Speaker 1: a tongue of Iloa at starting quarterback for the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: but the Seahawks don't care.
Speaker 4: The twelves just want to get.
Speaker 1: A w Gino out of a shotgun McIntosh in the game.
Speaker 4: And now he swings out to the left side.
Speaker 1: Gino steps up in the pocket, looks, holds throwsy got.
Speaker 8: DK open thirty twenty fifty tail runs away from my
Speaker 8: hony touchdown shehay hawks.
Speaker 4: Seventy one yard or the DK.
Speaker 8: Gina waited, waited, great rounds and then DK just popped
Speaker 8: into the secondary open.
Speaker 4: Gino laid it.
Speaker 8: Up there and the secondary never had a chance to
Speaker 8: catch dk Woo.
Speaker 1: When dk wins, he wins by so much he had
Speaker 1: to wait for that ball just a little bit. Gino
Speaker 1: Smith gets it done. That was k i Ro the've
Speaker 1: rabel on the call. The Seahawks went easy twenty four
Speaker 1: to three. Wasn't a smooth game every minute for the
Speaker 1: Seahawks offense, but ultimately they got twenty one first down
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy yards. So all the twelves that
Speaker 1: I follow on Twitter that are honking about it not
Speaker 1: being too smooth, it's like, okay, I mean, let your
Speaker 1: defense win a game for you when you're going up
Speaker 1: against some bad quarterback play and get those early touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Seal it late with a really long ninety eight yard
Speaker 1: drive that Zach Sharbiney got them to twenty four points on.
Speaker 1: He had a nice day ninety one yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Nick And this one was never really in doubt. The
Speaker 1: Seahawks are three, and oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah they're three, and oh be happy with the Seahawks fans.
Speaker 3: It can all be pretty. Sometimes you're gonna get some,
Speaker 3: you know, less attractive victories, but they all count the same,
Speaker 3: and it was a big one for you. You went
Speaker 3: and took care of business against the team rolling with
Speaker 3: a backup quarterback. And the main takeaway I had as
Speaker 3: soon as this game really reached the third quarter was, man,
Speaker 3: the value of a quarterback in the NFL remains so high,
Speaker 3: and when you lose that guy, it hurts so much.
Speaker 3: Now Scott Thompson got hurt and left this game. You
Speaker 3: ended up with Tim Boyle playing in the second half.
Speaker 3: But overall, you just see the offense and how they
Speaker 3: just take a few steps down without a guy like
Speaker 3: Tua back there. I mean, they get a pick off
Speaker 3: of Gino because he tries to get rid of the
Speaker 3: ball under pressure deep in his own team. He's basically
Speaker 3: in his own end zone. It tips off of the
Speaker 3: intended receiver's hands, it gets caught by Cater Kohu for
Speaker 3: a pick, and they get three points out of it.
Speaker 3: And that was their entire offense for the day in
Speaker 3: terms of scoring. And that just kind of illustrates how
Speaker 3: much of an uphill climb you face when you lose
Speaker 3: starting quarterback in this league and you roll with a
Speaker 3: guy like Skyler, who look Mike McDaniel spent the whole
Speaker 3: week talking him up, and I understand you're back in
Speaker 3: your quarterback because that's your guy for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 3: Woo rough experience to watch them struggle through this one
Speaker 3: and a nice little victory for the Seahawks defense hold
Speaker 3: him to three points.
Speaker 1: Well, one of those twelves dot Tim Boyle looked a
Speaker 1: lot more comfortable.
Speaker 4: Actually when he came in.
Speaker 3: Would crazy because he didn't look very good either.
Speaker 4: Okay, would you say that's accurate?
Speaker 1: And yeah, tell me a little bit about like the
Speaker 1: Seahawks defensive performance in this game, because you do see
Speaker 1: them doing some creative stuff. There was the way they
Speaker 1: played defense, only rushing one on the hail Mary, which.
Speaker 4: Was kind of fun.
Speaker 1: Well, Mike McDonald is kind of the mad scientists going
Speaker 1: up against the other mad scientists Mike McDaniel here, and
Speaker 1: clearly I know Skyler Thompson hurts them, but like, tell
Speaker 1: me what you saw out of the Seahawks defense.
Speaker 3: A lot of not even trying to get after the quarterback.
Speaker 3: They only blitzed five times all day. Their pressure rate
Speaker 3: was thirty eight and a half percent, but it was
Speaker 3: fifteen pressure so they were getting them organically and not
Speaker 3: through the blitz and a ton of sitting in zone
Speaker 3: coverage eighty four point six percent of passes, pass dropbacks,
Speaker 3: zone coverage. They were basically asking Skyler to pick their
Speaker 3: defense apart and darry him to do it, and he
Speaker 3: couldn't do it, and just getting the job done on
Speaker 3: that side of the ball, which look in these instances,
Speaker 3: that's what you're asked to do. Now, the one rushing
Speaker 3: one on a hail mary, that actually is the exception
Speaker 3: to my never rushed three rule. We can roll with that.
Speaker 6: That's fine.
Speaker 3: Not everybody that's I'm saying career less, that's fine.
Speaker 2: And if I'm Skyler Thompson in that situation, I'm content
Speaker 2: to just see how long how long the play can last.
Speaker 6: But ultimately they really got nothing out on one. Yeah,
Speaker 6: just just nothing, absolutely nothing out of that. But that's
Speaker 6: really how it's been.
Speaker 2: Like the protection clearly on a one man pass rush
Speaker 2: better than it's been for the Dolphins all season because
Speaker 2: it wasn't good when Tua was in. And here is
Speaker 2: the Seahawks able to just rush for and get consistent
Speaker 2: pressure throughout the game, where the Dolphins were never in
Speaker 2: this game, they were never even you know, had two interceptions.
Speaker 2: Of course that that one is you know, he's gonna
Speaker 2: get tackled for a safety. He flipping the Zach Sharbernak
Speaker 2: gets both hands on the ball. That's not on Geno,
Speaker 2: but just a serviceable men game.
Speaker 6: Ge.
Speaker 4: Maybe that when was a little I'm gonna give it
Speaker 4: sixty percent.
Speaker 1: Okay, sixty I mean sometimes it sucks. It's so it's
Speaker 1: so annoying to have to take a safety. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine what it would feel like to be an NFL
Speaker 1: quarterback in any respects, but I can just imagine that
Speaker 1: it would be like the most annoying thing, like I
Speaker 1: just can't take this safety. And you're right, he got
Speaker 1: it out to him. That was a crazy decision. Look,
Speaker 1: Gino has been under pressure a lot this season. Forty
Speaker 1: three percent in this game. That's a really high number.
Speaker 1: He actually, other than the interception, dealt eight for thirteen
Speaker 1: for one hundred and forty eight yards against the pressure
Speaker 1: eleven yards per attempt. So it was like he made
Speaker 1: a lot of good plays. That's just been how they've
Speaker 1: had to win. I think they're three and oh they've
Speaker 1: had a fortunate schedule. It is what it is. You
Speaker 1: got to just take advantage of it. They got that close.
Speaker 1: Patriots win, You beat Bo Nicks on opening day with
Speaker 1: a little bit of a comeback, and you beat Skyler Thompson,
Speaker 1: and yet the weird confidence, I don't think it was
Speaker 1: just coach speak. I think they were really confident, even
Speaker 1: like Dolphins fans and the media coverage, like, I think
Speaker 1: they thought, like, this team is better than they were,
Speaker 1: and I thought they had a lot of problems going
Speaker 1: into this game that weren't too a related that's it.
Speaker 1: So if you then remove the quarterback from a defense
Speaker 1: that's like maybe it's average, we'll see like maybe it's
Speaker 1: below average, and an offense which had had some issues beforehand,
Speaker 1: it's concerning.
Speaker 4: They're at one and two. We'll see.
Speaker 1: But it's starting to feel like it'll be a two
Speaker 1: team race in the AFC East. A little earlier too,
Speaker 1: a little earlier to get that. By the way, remember
Speaker 1: back on our previews show, Patrick Clayban, we all met you,
Speaker 1: and Steve White said, we're not worried about all going
Speaker 1: down with the ship. We're all going to take the
Speaker 1: exact same team, even though they were only four and
Speaker 1: a half point favorites. And ah, there was a bigger
Speaker 1: favorite in Tampa Bucks lost. Oh there was a bigger
Speaker 1: favorite in Vegas lost bigger favorite. Even the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers playing the Rams they lost too. We
Speaker 1: avoided all those land mines. We picked the Seahawks and
Speaker 1: you never had to sweat it.
Speaker 4: So good job by us. And that's what we do, Greg,
Speaker 4: that's right.
Speaker 6: Live, we breathe. We we obtained sustenance to provide our
Speaker 6: bodies with what we need to survive. And yes, we
Speaker 6: got knocked out of our.
Speaker 1: Whole survivor No, no, we're starting over, but it's now new.
Speaker 1: And actually, now that it worked out well, I think me,
Speaker 1: you and Steve should be one person and we'll make
Speaker 1: a joint decision every week since we're on.
Speaker 6: Fire, because that's what we do. We survived together.
Speaker 4: We are like Vultron.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately we're about to lose our arm and our
Speaker 1: left hip because Patrick claibon will not be with us
Speaker 1: to cover Sunday Night football, but Shook and I will
Speaker 1: be right back after the break to do so. And
Speaker 1: thank you Patrick.
Speaker 4: I'm going to give you you know how Tom.
Speaker 1: Brady gives a grade for all these passes, I'm giving
Speaker 1: you an a plus.
Speaker 6: Thanks Greg. Enjoy Sunday Night Cousins will be under center.
Speaker 7: On fourth down and a yard to go long count,
Speaker 7: they give it off for Shawn Robinson hit in the
Speaker 7: back down, he goes down, Kansas City holds on downs again.
Speaker 16: Nick folds in stripes to the outside and makes the
Speaker 16: hip and Kansas City defensively holds on downs.
Speaker 4: Fourth down at the sixth and.
Speaker 1: Now the thirteen, twenty two to seventeen. The Chiefs defense
Speaker 1: gets it done once again. Mitch Holtis from WDEA f
Speaker 1: familiar storyline, isn't it the Chiefs defense winning the game
Speaker 1: at the end, the Chiefs offense.
Speaker 4: Not being fully in gear but making just enough plays.
Speaker 1: And yes, the Atlanta Falcons and Kirk Cousins just playing
Speaker 1: weird games. That's that's what Kirk Cousins is going to do.
Speaker 1: I know, Nick Shook, you did not like the play call.
Speaker 1: That was fourth and inches for the Chiefs with about
Speaker 1: a minute to go, and they throw it outside left
Speaker 1: to the John Robinson. I believe Kirk Cousins changed into
Speaker 1: that play. It looked like he changed the play at
Speaker 1: the line of scrivage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anytime you run it wide on fourth and shore,
Speaker 3: I know you can't sneak Kirk there. You think that's
Speaker 3: not gonna be an option. You're always gonna put yourself
Speaker 3: in a bad spot because you're essentially giving yourself a
Speaker 3: longer path to get the past the line to gain
Speaker 3: and the Chiefs, you know, sniffed it out like it
Speaker 3: was nothing. Nick Bolton making a great play after coming
Speaker 3: back from leaving with an injury earlier in the game.
Speaker 3: A big moment for the Chiefs defense and the Chiefs
Speaker 3: defense that we've seen do this time and time again
Speaker 3: over the last few years. It's a big reason why
Speaker 3: they won the Super Bowl last year. We could talk
Speaker 3: about that over and over again, as we have many times.
Speaker 3: But my issue is that drive, and it's the pre
Speaker 3: drive when they're in a goal to go situation and
Speaker 3: they throw it up to Kyle Pitts, but Kirk doesn't
Speaker 3: put it high enough to take advantage of Pitt's height. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it could have been pi there probably should have been.
Speaker 3: And then they call a similar play on fourth down.
Speaker 3: I just felt like they didn't give themselves a lot
Speaker 3: of winnable situations with the play calling when they needed
Speaker 3: a touchdown in those last couple of drives, and this
Speaker 3: is the result.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you pointed out there though.
Speaker 1: I mean, if the play call is bad on the run,
Speaker 1: but the play call is bad on the pass, it's
Speaker 1: like you got to just execute on some level. To me,
Speaker 1: like that throw you're right to Pitts was a bad
Speaker 1: throw and everyone's like that was a bad note call.
Speaker 1: I guess it was a bad no call it was,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that throw made no It was just like
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was.
Speaker 3: If the guy's big, you draft them because an athlete
Speaker 3: you just wonder.
Speaker 4: I just don't think Kirk is as accurate as he
Speaker 4: usually is.
Speaker 1: And he's so good in general at making decisions and
Speaker 1: he's played quarterback for so long that it still looks
Speaker 1: like a version of Kirk Cousins and he's getting it
Speaker 1: done in some way. But that was just a bad throw.
Speaker 1: There was a couple other bad throws in the night.
Speaker 1: Now the fifty yard are to Pitts. He put that
Speaker 1: out there. That's a nice play. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: not all there, but sometimes coming off these injuries with
Speaker 1: your plant leg, just the accuracy is not as consistent.
Speaker 1: Because the throat of London on fourth down was also curious,
Speaker 1: but you put that more on execution to me than
Speaker 1: the play call, because you know you're running those two
Speaker 1: plays back to back. Aljier has a chance to try
Speaker 1: to get the first down on third and one or two,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't get it. It's a no gain on
Speaker 1: third and one from the thirteen. That's running right. You
Speaker 1: lost your right tackle in this game, Caleb McGarry. You
Speaker 1: lost your center in this game, Drew dolmend So that's
Speaker 1: a big deal. And so then it's fourth down. Where
Speaker 1: are they gonna run? Okay, let's go to the left
Speaker 1: side where you know our left where we're healthy.
Speaker 4: It's a play.
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton said after the game that they felt like
Speaker 1: they they gave up earlier in the game and he
Speaker 1: identified it quickly, but you know who else identified it
Speaker 1: quickly like every other member of the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: I know Bolton got the glory there, but like everyone won.
Speaker 1: And it's a game of trenches and Kirk Cousins face
Speaker 1: so much more pressure than Patrick Mahomes did in this game.
Speaker 1: And ultimately, like the Chiefs ran the ball well enough
Speaker 1: that the running games were almost a draw. And that's
Speaker 1: a big advantage for the Chiefs that they were able
Speaker 1: to pass protect their guy much better than the Falcons were,
Speaker 1: who couldn't identify blitzes and Spags is going crazy at
Speaker 1: the end and Kirk Cousins is a pinata And I'm
Speaker 1: saying all this make it it sound like it's a
Speaker 1: blow out.
Speaker 4: No, these two teams look pretty even, but that was
Speaker 4: a different yeah, And.
Speaker 3: You know that kind of makes me rethink what my
Speaker 3: next point was going to be because I am not
Speaker 3: a fan of bubble screens. Okay, I just think it's
Speaker 3: a low potential play, But I understand the use and
Speaker 3: I understand why they were peppering them in a lot
Speaker 3: because if you're facing that much pressure, if you don't
Speaker 3: trust your offensive line to protect your quarterback going off,
Speaker 3: then play the perimeter and try to make a play there.
Speaker 3: But in those situations late in the game, it kind
Speaker 3: of became predict ball and they were all snuffed out
Speaker 3: pretty quickly. So you're kind of in a tough spot,
Speaker 3: like if you're not protecting well, everything's gonna be a
Speaker 3: little bit harder. They didn't run the ball well as
Speaker 3: a team, Like statistically, you know, it's sixty three combined
Speaker 3: yards between Algier and Bjohn Robinson. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: like maybe trying to get him the ball in space
Speaker 3: in a different situation. I don't know. There was just
Speaker 3: a lot of As you watched the flow of those
Speaker 3: last couple drives, it just didn't feel good about where
Speaker 3: they were going. And they got bailed out a lot
Speaker 3: in that last drive because of a bunch of penalties
Speaker 3: in the Chiefs and moved them down within range to score.
Speaker 3: But ultimately, the same gut feeling that I had about
Speaker 3: their play calling flow is what bared out with the
Speaker 3: fact that they weren't able to get the job done
Speaker 3: in the end.
Speaker 1: Right, So to back it up, the score is fourteen
Speaker 1: to ten late in the second quarter, and then I
Speaker 1: think it was a big moment in the game.
Speaker 4: They get a rusher on Cousins. He's hit while he throws.
Speaker 1: I think that was to Shaun Wharton, who's had a
Speaker 1: nice start to this season also had a great week one.
Speaker 1: The ball floats up, the Chiefs intercept it, throw a lateral,
Speaker 1: they get a field goal before halftime, makes it fourteen
Speaker 1: to thirteen. Then you come out of the break, the
Speaker 1: Chiefs ran, I mean the Falcons ran three plays in
Speaker 1: the third quarter.
Speaker 4: Three plays.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Chiefs go eleven plays for sixty seven yards.
Speaker 4: They kind of have their.
Speaker 1: Old bugaboo and get stuck on the goal line. They
Speaker 1: blow a first and goal from the three where it's
Speaker 1: like Carson Steele direct snap Carson Steele negative two and
Speaker 1: that's negative and then they get the field goal three
Speaker 1: and out. They go down with a long touchdown drive.
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce finally makes a few plays in this season.
Speaker 1: Rashie Rice, who had just a monster Knight, has a
Speaker 1: couple of big games. They have a nice play call
Speaker 1: that gets Juju wide open for his only catch of
Speaker 1: the night, and you get the touchdown twenty two to
Speaker 1: fourteen lead.
Speaker 4: And yet then in the fourth quarter, like the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Go three and out a couple times there and keep
Speaker 1: giving the Falcons chances to win that game. And ultimately
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins had two chances in the red zone to
Speaker 1: take the lead or to win the game in the
Speaker 1: final five minutes, and both times the protection really falls short.
Speaker 1: And this Chiefs defense and Spagnolo just finds a different
Speaker 1: way to do it every week. They don't need Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes to be Patrick Mahomes because he hasn't really been
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes quite yet. This season five touchdowns, four interceptions
Speaker 1: on the season. That's not really a Patrick Mahomes type
Speaker 1: of stat line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a mark up a champion, a defense
Speaker 3: that comes through in the clutch in the fourth quarter
Speaker 3: when you have to prevent a touchdown to win the game,
Speaker 3: when you go from an eight point lead to a
Speaker 3: five point lead and you have to get a stop,
Speaker 3: and they get multiple stops. It also reminded me a
Speaker 3: lot of the end of the Week two game between
Speaker 3: the Lions and the Buccaneers, where the Lions had a
Speaker 3: couple of chances to go down and score and they
Speaker 3: couldn't get it done either, and kind of indicative of
Speaker 3: what we've seen around the league, especially in the passing
Speaker 3: game over the first three weeks, not so much this
Speaker 3: week as the first two, where teams get within range
Speaker 3: and they just can't get it done. I wonder if
Speaker 3: the Falcons iron that out. I know Kirk said last
Speaker 3: week after that comeback win over the Eagles, it's still
Speaker 3: a lot of new and in pressure situations like this,
Speaker 3: the new the fact that it was kind of hurt them.
Speaker 3: I also thought it was very interesting that they went
Speaker 3: tempo a little bit in the fourth quarter because that's
Speaker 3: where their strength was in that last minute drive against
Speaker 3: the Eagles the week prior. But overall the result is
Speaker 3: still the same. You're one and two, which is still
Speaker 3: better than O one three.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, it just looked like every
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins game I've ever seen. The game should with
Speaker 1: the Commanders or Washington rather back in the day, the
Speaker 1: games with the Vikings for all those years now and
Speaker 1: now the Falcons, like Kirk Cousins brings his own style
Speaker 1: of game which is just a whole lot of insanity
Speaker 1: and it ends in some crazy way, and there's a
Speaker 1: whole lot of free rushers on the blitz that does
Speaker 1: seem to be a trend, and Kirk just getting absolutely waylaid.
Speaker 4: I mean, he got hammered in this game.
Speaker 1: He was six for thirteen against the blitz for fifty
Speaker 1: seven yards four point four yards per intense attempt, fourteen
Speaker 1: for sixteen for one to seventy three when he wasn't
Speaker 1: getting blitzed.
Speaker 4: So that is a problem.
Speaker 1: The injuries are a problem, and Chiefs fantom not just
Speaker 1: hate because we're bored of you. But it hasn't been
Speaker 1: a great three and out and none of that matters.
Speaker 1: They're gonna round it. They're gonna figure out the things
Speaker 1: that are wrong, and they're stacking wins along the way.
Speaker 1: But it's not just me who thinks that. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were sixteenth and DVOA heading into this week. I
Speaker 1: bet they don't climb that much in this performance because
Speaker 1: they weren't that dominant. This was looked like two even teams.
Speaker 1: But they don't make the mental errors and they get
Speaker 1: the win and they play the Chargers next week. Who
Speaker 1: knows if Justin Herbert's going to be in that game.
Speaker 4: We will see. That's it for for week three.
Speaker 1: Here on the Sunday Night recap, Shookie, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: the thing that I always don't like what they do
Speaker 1: and shows their podcasts or any final thoughts, Nick Schuck
Speaker 1: before they just wanted to hear from you one more time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the Chiefs their start actually
Speaker 3: kind of tracks with what they've done the last couple
Speaker 3: of years. If you look at their schedule from last year,
Speaker 3: they won twenty three to twenty twenty seven to twenty
Speaker 3: nineteen to eight. They had a blot win over the
Speaker 3: Bears and a close win over the Jags. This is
Speaker 3: par for the course for them. They've won a super
Speaker 3: Bowl last two years.
Speaker 6: I would be concerned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is who they are and who we are.
Speaker 1: Nick Shook is men who like to do podcasts after
Speaker 1: primetime game. So we will be back after the Monday
Speaker 1: night doubleheader. Nick at Night, mister Shook and I will
Speaker 1: recap Bill's Jags and Bengals commanders. That should be fun
Speaker 1: until then. After this week three, we know football is back.