1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: I am all in again. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Oh let's just you, h. I am all in again 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast. 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcasts one of 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: them productions. iHeart radio Media. iHeart Podcasts. We are going 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: to break down episode fifteen, Season three, face Off, And 7 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, I have some very strong opinions about this 8 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: show because when I was watching it, I wanted to 9 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: rip my own face off. Because I did. I'll get 10 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: into it with lil We have a very special guest. 11 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: Lily Janek is here. She's an esteem theater critic for 12 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Chronicle since twenty sixteen. Michigan native, her 13 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: childhood also took her to Tennessee in Texas. She has 14 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: a BA in Theater Studies from Yale and an MA 15 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: in drama from San Francisco State. She served on the 16 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: jury for the twenty twenty four Pulitzer Prize in Drama. 17 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: And here's a little excerpt from her article. She wrote 18 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: a very insightful, very telling article in the Chronicle about 19 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: the lasting appeal of Gilmore Girls, and I found it 20 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: to be actually quite good, maybe one of the better 21 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: articles I've read on the subject. And I quote, We're 22 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: not safe, but Gilmore Girls, Oliver's a fantasy where we 23 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: might be in stars Hollow. A single mother can lavish 24 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: her daughter with gifts and the non problems of quirky 25 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: munchkin cute townspeople can the town support to troubadours, drive 26 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: hole plot threads in our post pandemic era and an 27 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: impossible housing market, we might be forced to live with 28 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: our parents. Think Gilmore Girls, we want to. And that's 29 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: the series real love story. Lily, how dare you? Luke 30 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: and Laurreli dominates it rules for you to point out 31 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: the obvious, it is just so offensive to me. I'm Scott, 32 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: but I you know, kudos to you, because that really 33 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: is the appeal of the show. And I thought I 34 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: won't get into a little more detail of the article. 35 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: But the you know, with the way that that Larelin 36 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: and Rory shape shift from best friends to mother daughter 37 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: back and forth. Is it dynamic that I that I 38 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: always found fascinating. 39 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we see it right here in this episode 40 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: and we. 41 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: Do we doo we too. But before we, you know, 42 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: really get into the episode, and you know, Lily wrote 43 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: an article. The article, I'm referring to in the chronicle 44 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: is why Gilmore Girls still works twenty five years later, 45 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: and everybody should should download it and read it. It's 46 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: it's it's a very very it's a brief article, but 47 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: very insightful. It's very compact before we get into the episode. 48 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: What inspired you to write the article? 49 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: Oh man, I am one of those nerds who looked 50 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: up when Gilmore Girls premiered and wondered what its next 51 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: big anniversary would be. And this was more than a 52 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: year ago, and I realized that October would be the 53 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: twenty fifth anniversary, and so I started planning months in 54 00:03:54,200 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: advance and rewatched season after season. So this was way 55 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: more preparation than I do for a lot of my stories. 56 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: Well, enjoyed reading it. Like I said, everybody should download 57 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: it and read it. Really has some terrific insights into 58 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: the lasting appeal of the show. All right, here's the 59 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: synopsis for this episode, which aired February eighteen, two thousand 60 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: and three. Rory awkwardly finds out Deane is dating someone 61 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: new at the Big Stars Hollow Hockey game for the 62 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: regional finals, of which the Stars Hollow Minutemen have not 63 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: been participants in since forty years, it's been forty three years, 64 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: something like that. Jess continues to be unattentive, predictably to 65 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: his relationship with Rory. No idea why she's tolerating this. 66 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: This is one thing I want to get into you 67 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: with why she would tolerate this. For five seconds, Lane 68 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: comes up with a new plan to date Dave and 69 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: Tricks is in town and torments Emily until she finds 70 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: out a little more information about her than she bargained for. 71 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: Directed by Kenny Ortega, written by John Stevens. All Right, 72 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: Taylor's having the dozy klan at the independence end. You 73 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: know this, this storyline did not have a huge amount 74 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: of payoff in my opinion, they introduced it, it had 75 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: great potential, but then you know his brother crumpled up 76 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: the folder or the or the piece of paper that 77 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: that plans for the day, and I disagree. 78 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: I thought. I found it so satisfying to see someone 79 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: talk down to Taylor in a way that he could 80 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: not refute, and so succinctly and devastatingly just to see 81 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: laur life kind of went FROs and smile as she's 82 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 2: watching all this. It's delicious for me. 83 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: That's Fair and his brother crumpled up the paper, So 84 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: we don't need a tour of stars Hollow. We grew 85 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: up here, Taylor. We're just we'll see at the hockey game. 86 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm taking a nap. Then we have Laane, Young Chew 87 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: and Rory go the hockey game. Young Chew is on 88 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: the phone the whole time with his girlfriend and uh 89 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: and Dave Galski is with the band with Brian and 90 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: with Zach playing religious songs for missus Kim's guests. And 91 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: we see Dave get a little jelly, little little jealous there, 92 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: a little curious what's going on in the hockey game. 93 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: Lindsey Rory Lane run into each other at the hockey game, 94 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: and it's awkward. The reason Rory's at the hockey game 95 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: is because Jess said he was going to call, and 96 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: I guess that was a Friday night after he got 97 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: off work, and he never called. And then he he 98 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: did the same. He didn't even bother calling her on 99 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: a Saturday night. And Rory's getting a little fed up, like, hey, pal, 100 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, you know have a plan, you know you 101 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: just can't And then and then he and then later 102 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: in the episode, he just shows up at the door 103 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: seven thirty on a Saturday night. Laura I kind of 104 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: reads them the riot Act a little bit. I don't 105 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: know why even Laura is tolerating this. I don't know 106 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: why she's but she's giving you know, Lily, she's giving 107 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Rory some some rope, right, She's got to figure it 108 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: out for herself, right. 109 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: She's letting her daughter make make mistakes if she needs to, 110 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: and she figures that the situation overall is safe enough 111 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: that Rory cand make her own decisions right. And that's 112 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: one of the great waves that Laura, I parents. 113 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: Dean, and Rory talk after the loss. It's the awkward, 114 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: but it's kind of nice. And wasn't Deane a breath 115 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: of fresh air in this episode? 116 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: You really see the good side of Dean in this episode. 117 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: He's not being possessive. He's not like trying to he's 118 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: not overtly trying to make Rory jealous that hard like 119 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: he does in some other episodes. He's just playing it cool. Yep. 120 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: I wasn't sure how I was going to tell you 121 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: about Lindsay, but here she is, Hey, how are things? 122 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: That's Jess? It was It was really Diana at its best, and. 123 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: That question really leveled her, like how's how's just doing? 124 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: How you guys doing? 125 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 126 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: Not great? 127 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: And so that's when she has to go out and 128 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: make that angry phone call. 129 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, good phone call. She is showing the last 130 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: couple of episodes, uh some some some very unique comedy skills. 131 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: I find her to be uh quite good at comedy. 132 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: Uh alexis uh she's kind of adorable in the same 133 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: way that Audrey Hepburn is adorable. And it's not just 134 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: like kind of the similar looks, but you almost want 135 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: to take care of them even as they're making you laugh. 136 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: Right, And there's a smoothness to the delivery. There's you 137 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: don't you never really see Alexis acting right, It's she 138 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: just sort of delivers the line when it needs to 139 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: be delivered. Yeah, you're right, you do you want to 140 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: you want to put her in your pocket and take 141 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: her home, take care of her all right. Meeting your 142 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: exes and uh new significant other is is always hard, Lily, 143 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: how do you think uh Rory handled it? M. 144 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: I think this is something everyone has to do for 145 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: the first time at some point in their lives. You 146 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: have to realize that your ex's lives are going to 147 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: go on without you. You're not going to be the 148 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: center of their universe forever just because you dated once. 149 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: And it's a real coming of age moment. You have 150 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: to learn you're not the center of the universe. And 151 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: it's a little bit laughable the way Rory's kind of 152 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: pouting in the bleachers and Lane's repeatedly checking in on her, 153 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: But at the same time, she deals with it better 154 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: than I think a lot of us would. She rises 155 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: to the occasion when she has her face to face 156 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: with Dean and she I think it gives her a 157 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: new perspective on Jess. So yeah, she did pretty well. 158 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: What do you I think Jess is not looking so good. 159 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: I think Jess is not an option anymore. I wanted 160 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: her to tell him to stick his tickets where the 161 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: sundown shine or the distillers and walk away. 162 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 2: I hear you. But I think one of the things 163 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: we love about Rory and LOURAI over and over again 164 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: is that when after someone messes up, if they try 165 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: to correct their mistake and do something good, Rory and 166 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: LAURAAI almost always instantly forgive and that mercy that they have, 167 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: that wanting to believe the best in people is such 168 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: an appeal of the show. 169 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Yes, so most. 170 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: Of us would be like. 171 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I was hoping she 172 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: would do. 173 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: But it's this bad boy good boy thing that the 174 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: show does so well and that so many teenage girls 175 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: have to kind of go through this question of why 176 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: am I so attracted to this mysterious bad boy who 177 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: treats me kind of poorly when there's this very sweet 178 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: option over here. It's just an eternal plotline that works 179 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: so well, and even if you wish Rory would make 180 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: a different decision, it gives the show such wonderful tension 181 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: and drama. 182 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hm. And staying on that topic, the Rory Dean, 183 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: Jess Troika. He doesn't call, he never calls. She's waiting around, 184 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: she goes to hockey game. She's comparing Dean and Jess 185 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: in her mind. Ah, in the conversation ship with LAURAAI 186 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: on her on that Walk and Talk, you know, Dean 187 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: would call, he'd say when he's gonna call, and then 188 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: he called. 189 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: He was a good first boyfriend, just like LAURAAI said. 190 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: And I love how the Walk and Talk goes through 191 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: the toilet paper forest. 192 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: That that is? 193 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: That was? 194 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: Now? 195 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: What was that? Were they putting it up or taking 196 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: it down? 197 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: They were taking it down, but the two of them 198 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: walked right through it, almost like it was a little 199 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: winter wonderland. 200 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: It was hilarious. H and Lorlai calls home Saturday night 201 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: in surprised when Rory picks up. She continues to wait 202 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: for Jess. 203 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: And this is where we see that great Alexis comic 204 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: delivery that you were just describing. She starts out so 205 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: solid and then just in a few beats of dialogue, 206 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: she allows herself to get totally pepped up by what 207 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: her mom says and gets on that rhythm and then 208 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: is right out the tour right wonderful transformation to watch 209 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 2: in real time. M H. 210 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: And then just comes over and has that tense, little, 211 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: very very disrespectful and rude conversation with LORELEI. This guy, 212 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: I tell you, my mother would have smacked him fifty 213 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: times for just his tone. I just I can't imagine 214 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: anybody taking that. 215 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: I don't advocate violence, but that kid needs a beating man. 216 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: Nothing I just said, smack, just fifty smacks. Not a 217 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: big deal there. And then Rory makes that leaves that 218 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: very funny message on after the game on Luke's answering. 219 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: Machine, and the little tagline at the end, by the way, 220 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: this is no it is for justice. So a horrible 221 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: and it's it's a perfect understanding of that character because 222 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: Rory really can't get too mad at anyone. He still 223 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: has to be polite and sweet at the very end. 224 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: Oh, I've seen it. I've seen it. A very edgy 225 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: with Paris, Like Paris really gets her to the edge 226 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: of like rage. 227 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: But again, a couple of times White Paris shows like 228 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: even the slightest bit of repentance or goodness. Rory's always 229 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: almost always ready to forgive her. I can't think of 230 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: a time off the top of my head when. 231 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: She is last episode, last episode in one of the 232 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: Paris was late for the meeting and was you know, 233 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. There was a lot of tens between 234 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: those two and Rory just wasn't having it. She was 235 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: just like, you know, screw you. She was ready to 236 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: walk away from the friendship, from from everything. Had enough. 237 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: She just had enough. And again, you know, Paris did 238 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: something to save herself a little better. I guess, yeah, 239 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, Ry Paris pushes her. 240 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: To that point as she would anyone, right. 241 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: And and then there's Jess sitting on his junkie car waiting, 242 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: and I don't know, she just she just melts and 243 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: goes with him. I wanted to see fireworks, darn it. 244 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: But I guess that's not. 245 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 3: Rory, is it. 246 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: She plays it pretty low key. She doesn't over a mote, right. 247 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: Do you think Rory regrets breaking up with Deane at all, 248 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: because this was kind of the comparison we've been waiting for. 249 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: Right, Maybe a little bit. But I think she knows 250 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: she was bored by deep like she had that one 251 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 2: line in this episode. Oh, I forget what it is exactly, 252 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: but it's something like Dean called it and I had 253 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: that or something like that. And so she considers that, 254 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: but that she doesn't dwell on it. She doesn't get 255 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: that wistful about it. I think, like most of us, 256 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: Rory wants to be adored by everyone all the time, 257 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: and kind of over the course of the series she 258 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: has to learn in different ways that even though she 259 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: is like this perfect little princess who we all, as 260 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: you said, want to put in our pocket, you actually 261 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: in life can't make everybody happy all the. 262 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: Time, and you shouldn't try. Yeah, you don't want to 263 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: be a people pleaser, she. 264 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: Did, so, yeah, I know. 265 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: Hey kids, listen, I wanted to give you a little 266 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: information on my convention schedule. We are going to be 267 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: in Richmond, Virginia Galaxy Con March nineteen, twenty and twenty one, 268 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: and then hey, y'all up Washington rewind Con in Washington 269 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: State and that is March twenty eighth and twenty ninth, Greenville, 270 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: South Carolina Comic Con April eleventh and twelfth, Manchester, UK 271 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: April eighteen nineteen, New Orleans, Louisiana Galaxy Con July eleventh 272 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: and twelfth, and then I'll there's more to come San 273 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: Jose August twenty two to twenty three. That's a Galaxy 274 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: Con as well as San Jose Galaxy Con. So a 275 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: lot coming up. I'll fill you in on the rest 276 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: of it. There's more. It's a busy convention year for 277 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: the kid here. So hope to see everybody out there. 278 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: Much love, all right, So at this point, Lily, what 279 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: are your team Dean or Team Jess. 280 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: I have a shoulder angel and a shoulder devil, and 281 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: my shoulder angel is like Dean is going to treat 282 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: you well, but you will be Yeah, you'll be bored. 283 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: And he's very possessive and very jealous. But shoulder Devil, 284 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: says Lily, Jess is going to keep the show more interesting. 285 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: How about you? I mean, you sound pretty down on jets. 286 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: I mean at this point, Dean, I mean, if these 287 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: are the options, I'm Dean. Yeah, I just I know 288 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: he's my nephew, but I just I can't abide this behavior. 289 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: Right, Maybe we're both like nobody's good enough. 290 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: For r I think Dean's good enough for Rory. Really, yeah, 291 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: I do. And you're right. He is a little possessive, 292 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: but she's pretty darn special. Yeah, and she seems to 293 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: inspire that in everybody. Right She's Yeah, good point. So 294 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: you know it's I'm leaning to Ardine now, at least 295 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: at this point. Right now, one of the more delightful 296 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: characters in the entire opus Tricks. 297 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: What a name? 298 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: Tricks? 299 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: Uh? 300 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: And she's visiting for a few days. I gotta tell you, 301 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm not buying into this whole thing where Emily can't 302 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: be in her own home because Tricks is having some 303 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: friends over and meetings in this kind of stuff. I 304 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: didn't buy into it. I didn't. It just I didn't 305 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: seem believable. It seemed Emily, you know, hiding out at 306 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: the Dragonfly. It just didn't track for me. It was 307 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: out of character for her. She just be can't she's 308 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: helped me with this. It didn't make any sense to 309 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: me at all. You know, she's the strongest woman in. 310 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 4: The world and as you know, as odious a beast 311 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 4: as there can be, especially given how she treated Laurlai 312 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 4: at sixteen, going into the delivery room screaming at her. 313 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: You know, that's making it all about her. I mean, 314 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: what a what a monster, And here we have her 315 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: completely cowed by this woman, and I just I don't 316 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: buy it. I mean, she's got she's got more firepower 317 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: than that, she's got more of a spine than that. 318 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: So I don't like So for me, it was inconsistency 319 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: with the character. And I don't like characters being out 320 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: of character. I like them being their characters. 321 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: But you have to always test characters. If you just 322 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: let characters stay in their comfort zone, then there's no 323 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: drama and tricks. Test Emily and the way I explain 324 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: it to myself. This might not satisfy you, is that 325 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 2: Emily and Richard are super wasps. They cannot talk honestly 326 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: about anything emotional or real, and so the way Richard 327 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: blinds himself to how badly his mother treats his wife. 328 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 2: If Emily were to really challenge Richard on that, that 329 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: would require taking off all the armor that these affluent 330 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: older folks have built up over decades. So she can't 331 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 2: do that without risking something too dangerous for her. That's 332 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: the best I can do. 333 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Well, no, it's pretty good, you know. 334 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: It certainly makes sense that Richard chose a woman like 335 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: Emily to marry, given how his mother probably talked to him. 336 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: His mother probably talked to him the same way she 337 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: talks to to Emily. 338 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: See maybe, but she's so indulgent of him now and 339 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 2: thinks he is the perfect boy. If Tricks had a daughter, 340 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: she talked to her daughter the way she talks to Emily. 341 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: There's something about mothers and daughters versus mothers and sons here, 342 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 2: and also the indulgence we see between Tricks and Richard 343 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: would help explain why Richard's so blind to how Tricks 344 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 2: treats Emily. 345 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 5: Right. 346 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: I gotta say, though, I really love how in this 347 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: episode and over and over in the series, you were 348 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: just mentioning about how Emily just was a terrible parents 349 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: to Lourlai, especially in moments of crisis. And here when 350 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: Emily comes to the end and is like a lost 351 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 2: little lamb with those big wide eyes, Loralai parents her. 352 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: She takes care of her mom. It's that merciful quality. 353 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: Well, she's not petty like her mother, she's not condescending 354 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: like her mom. She's got a heart, you know. 355 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 2: She's always doing little things to take care of Emily, 356 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 2: like that other episode where she sets her mom up 357 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: with a DVD player when she's when she's lonely, when 358 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: Richard's away all the time, and Emily would just never 359 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: think to do something like that for Laura. Emily would think, 360 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 2: this is what I think Loralai needs, but she would 361 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: never be able to see or ask what Lourlai herself 362 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: genuinely needs and provide that. And so to see over 363 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: and over again Lauraai extending this I'm going to take 364 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 2: care of you hand and never get it back, is 365 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 2: one of the kind of tragic, tragically beautiful things about 366 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 2: the character in the show, and so then in little 367 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: moments when Luke takes care of LAURAAI or Rory takes 368 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 2: care of LAURAAI, it's just such a it's such a gift. 369 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: You finally the ah, this woman who takes care of 370 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: everyone else is finally getting a little bit of care. 371 00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Mine? Crazy? Oh, that's my one 372 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: of my like thecs about the show. 373 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: I think Lorela I decided long ago that her mother 374 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: was insane. Yeah, and she's reconciled with that. She's come, 375 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: she's at peace with that. And this sort of this 376 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: sort of faustian bargain that she's struck with her mother 377 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: for these Friday night dinners, you know, this is really 378 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: just an exercise in her displaying the considerable armor that 379 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: she's built up over the years against these people, deflecting 380 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: all insults and condescension with humor and zingers right back 381 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: at him. And Laurela doesn't wind around to get insulted. Man, 382 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: She's delivering. She's delivering her own arrows, like from right 383 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: from the get go, she's initiating. It's the only thing 384 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: she can do. 385 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 5: And yeah, I see that, But I'm also like, I 386 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 5: think even if she's accepted this, not conciled to her fate, 387 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 5: builds up all that armor and has this arsenal of 388 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 5: zingers all the time. 389 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: I think there's still always a tiny little part of 390 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: you that still craves that care. 391 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not expecting it, but it's nice when it happens, 392 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: exactly right, because it does happen from time to time. 393 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: Emily softens from time to time and becomes like a 394 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: real mom. I'm sorry, but this track suit, the purple 395 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: tracksuit thing, it didn't make me feel anything for tricks 396 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: at all. Just she's just so abusive. I mean, you know, 397 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, you get some level of satisfaction that she's 398 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: aiming that abuse at Emily, who deserves it, but she 399 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: really doesn't deserve it in these circumstances, and it's just 400 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: so over the top that and you know, it's good 401 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: writing because the stress builds up in the in the 402 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: in the audience, like how much of this garbage are 403 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: you going to take from this this? And you know, 404 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: I thought Emily handled it in a in a in 405 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: a very god what did you refer to them as? 406 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: In a very waspish way at the end and said 407 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: maybe you should consider my feelings in two and you know, 408 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: she's being very gentle about it. 409 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: I love that scene. I was so proud of Emily 410 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: her saying what she said in that way. 411 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was definitely the bigger person. Then in the 412 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: end she's taken up the tray and its muttering to herself. 413 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: Perfect. It's that's perfect. 414 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, the uh anyway, it's all the relationship dynamics were 415 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: flipped from Tricks to Emily and then from Laura and Emily, 416 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: and they're gossiping in the kitchen and Emily really thinks 417 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: she has some ammo with the catching her kissing the 418 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: man with the purple tracksuit, and. 419 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: It's just so spectacular to watch Kelly Bishop just almost 420 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: prance about the kitchen. She's so tickled that sacred in 421 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: her back pocket. 422 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. All right, Lane, Young Chew and Dave some 423 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: missus Kim hires the Zach's Christian Trio, and then they're 424 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: practicing in the garage and Lane is also having a 425 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: date with Young Chow the hockey game, but it's worked 426 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: out a deal because he wants to see someone else 427 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: as well, so that's very convenient for Lane. Young Chuu 428 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: comes over, picks her up. Well, Dave looks on sheepishly. 429 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: In the background, the band plays hims while Day steps 430 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: outside for some air. 431 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 3: That just takes off. 432 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: Freak. He runs a mile of the hockey game to 433 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: see Lane for like two seconds and then runs back 434 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: a mile. Lane got a kick out of that. She 435 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: was all glowy that somebody is jealous. Yeah, first time's 436 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: anybody ever been jealous. 437 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: That's the real theme of this episode. Rory and Lane, 438 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: both in their different relationships, are learning they have to 439 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: play hard to get a little bit, and or not 440 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 2: have to in Lane's case. But like the pleasures and 441 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: rewards of playing hard to get of not just sitting 442 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: around at home waiting for the phone to ring or 443 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: waiting for your boyfriend's band concert to be over. No 444 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: going out and living life good for them. 445 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: Right right right now. At the end, I mean, Roy 446 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: comes home from the game of the concert with Jess 447 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: and she goes to bed. It seems like, do you 448 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: think she's a little sad about Dean? 449 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't get that at all. 450 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: Tell me more, there's a moment there right in her eyes. 451 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: Well, what I noticed at the end was that she 452 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: didn't tell Laura LII that she went on the state 453 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: with Jess to the concert. That was what I got 454 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 2: out of the end, and I thought she was more 455 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: like kind of making a difficult decision in the moment 456 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: about which things to share with her mom and which 457 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: things to keep private. 458 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: All right, now, you Lily super fan that you are. 459 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: Did you watch the show when it aired or later 460 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: when it started streaming. 461 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Scott, I'm going to tell you something. 462 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: I was a year behind Rory in school. I'm almost 463 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 2: the same age. My dad worked in another state for 464 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: five days a week, so it was kind of like 465 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: my mom was a single mom for most of the week. 466 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: When I was sixteen, my parents moved me from a 467 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: public school to a private school where I had to 468 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: wear uniforms. Then I went to Yale, and then I 469 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 2: became a journalist. I know what, I know. You probably 470 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: get a lot of fans who are like, I'm Rory 471 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: and I'm not like that, even though a lot of 472 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: the things track, But it was just very validating for 473 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: me to see a character like her on the screen. 474 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: I remember watching the show with my mom and her saying, 475 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: do you think we're like Laura Li and Rory And 476 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: certainly we didn't have and don't have the same whip 477 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: smart dialogue, but there is this sense of us against 478 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 2: the world, just the two of us, this little band 479 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: of sisters. It's so aspirational. You want to be like 480 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: Rory and Laura Lai, And in that way, I think 481 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: we felt like we were right. 482 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: How many times have you watched a show? Is it 483 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: a ritual for you? 484 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 2: I would say maybe three times the whole way through, 485 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 2: but at much different points in my life. Right and 486 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I'll tell you the townspeople 487 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,959 Speaker 2: scenes drove me nuts. I was like, get me back 488 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 2: to the romance. I don't care about Taylor or Kirk, Like, 489 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 2: what is it now that I'm forty years old, those 490 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 2: are some of my favorite scenes, Like with this with 491 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: the hockey match in this episode, I'm thinking, Wow, the 492 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: writers came up with a way for so many people 493 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 2: to be involved in this game. You've got It's Patty 494 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: and Bebett mean national very weirdly, you have Kirk being 495 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: the most annoying and uninformed announcer ever, and you have 496 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: Taylor with his whole family and the audience. It's just. 497 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 6: I love seeing how deeply the writers understand these quirky 498 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 6: little characters and how to let them flourish. 499 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 2: In different ways in different situations. 500 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: Which character you relate to the most? 501 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 2: I think we know it changes over time, it does it? Yeah? Yeah? 502 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 2: When I was a kid, we all wanted to be Rory. 503 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 2: Now maybe I'm am I a suki my like a 504 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 2: best friend who's like cheerful and game for anything and 505 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 2: a little bit ditzy. Maybe I'm a. 506 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: Suki Now Okay, Well you attended Yale. How did the 507 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: portrayal hold up to the real. 508 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 3: Life of Yale? 509 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,919 Speaker 2: Oh? The real life of Yale for me was unto 510 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: surprisingly a lot more boring. And Rory talks about studying 511 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: all the time. But if you were to actually show 512 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: how much studying it wouldn't be much of a TV show, 513 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: many fewer boyfriends, much less coffee and coffee Kart. But 514 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 2: the kind of frightening rat race of it. Or that 515 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 2: one episode where a professor tells Rory to drop a 516 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: class and it's so devastating to her because she realizes 517 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 2: she can't. Maybe the professor's right, and she can't do everything. 518 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 2: I think I definitely had a moment like that, and 519 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 2: probably a lot of my peers did too. 520 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite episode? 521 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 2: I love the one where it's in a future season, 522 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 2: maybe season four, but where it's a Friday night dinner 523 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 2: and it goes on forever and ever, and the four 524 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 2: of them are just finally getting it all out in 525 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 2: the open and they're laughing and being candid, and then 526 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 2: they're fighting again in the next scene, and then they're 527 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 2: like giving each other the silent treatment and then it 528 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 2: all starts over again. Yeah. So cathartic to finally see 529 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: them say everything to each other. 530 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: Right, it was like a John Frankenheimer film. Yeah, some 531 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: of it. It should have been in black and white, the 532 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,280 Speaker 1: way it went back and forth, and it was dimensional, 533 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: multi dimensional multi there were different realities it was. Some 534 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: of it was hallucinous genic. 535 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. 536 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: I enjoyed that episode tho. Those sequences were very, very nice. 537 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 2: Great call in the black and white? 538 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: Yes, right, yeah, yeah, all right. So overall, what does 539 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls mean to you? In the life of Lily? 540 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 5: Oh? 541 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 2: Oh, in my life. 542 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: In the life of Lily, what does it mean to you? 543 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 2: Oh? It's eating ice cream at one am and you've 544 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 2: had a hard day and you need to return to 545 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 2: something comforting, nostalgic, aspirational that makes you want to build 546 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 2: your real life to look a little bit more like that. Like, obviously, 547 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 2: none of us is going to live in a star's 548 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 2: hollow where all the neighbors attend every single town meeting 549 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 2: and participate in every school play and festival and are 550 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 2: so unfailingly involved in and loyal to each other. Not 551 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 2: gonna happen. But watching the show, I don't know, it 552 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 2: maybe makes me think I can move my life a 553 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 2: little bit closer to that. 554 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: Lily, it's been fun. Please come back, keep writing these 555 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: great articles. And there's more. I know there's more in you. 556 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: Your insight is is quite quite precise. Actually, anybody listen, listen, Gang, 557 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: You've got to, uh, You've got to download Lily's article 558 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: in San Francisco Chronicle. What is it entitled, Lily Gilmore 559 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 1: Girls twenty five years later? 560 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 2: Right? Why Gilmore Girl still works? 561 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: Why Gilmore Girls still works twenty five years later? Download it? 562 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: Read it and and you'll you'll understand a little better 563 00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: if you don't already. The mass appeal, the can continuing 564 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: generational appeal of this quirky little show. Lily, thank you 565 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: so much for your time really appreciate it and to 566 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: the best fans on the planet, keep those cards and 567 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: letters coming and remember where you lead, we will follow. 568 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 3: Stay sicke 569 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and also again follow us on Instagram at 570 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: i Am all In podcast and email us at Gilmour 571 00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: at iHeartRadio dot com.