1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Let's help everybody. Welcome to the David Rutherford Show again. Man, 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: I've been so excited about this interview first like weeks 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: on end, but I am I am beyond just honored 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: and excited to welcome Sully from Black Ops Toys to 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: the show today. Sully, thank you so much for coming on. 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: David, thank you for having me. I'm super stoked to 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: be here. 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things Man and I, you know, 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: we were chatting yesterday about it. You know, I grew 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: up in the seventies and so like Big Jim Toys 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: and g I Big g the old school g I Joe's. 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: I actually have a well, you know, a collector's edition 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: from The Frogman from back in the fifties, original and 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: and and I just love the whole idea behind what 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: those toys can do for free play and the imagination. 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: You know, tell us a little bit about, you know, 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: what was the inspiration for wanting to get into the 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: incredible business and becoming, in my opinion, probably the best 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: out there at doing what you do. 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: You know, creative dumb luck. Sometimes God has a plan 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: and sometimes things work out a certain way, and it's 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: just a lot of a lot of passion and a 23 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: lot of play skills. 24 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So it was it one particular uh 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: a figurine that that got you that you saw or 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: was it just you saw this void in the space. 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you go back to the old 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: figurines and you know the I think the the part 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: you know, the clothing was always okay, it was decent. 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: They had used to have those like stretch bands, you know, 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: the back and it was real basic. But what what 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: those people do versus what you do? And and for 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: our our listeners out there who aren't familiar Sully in 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: his company Black Ops Toys, they produce the most realistic 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: one six figurines that you will ever see in your life. 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: I found him a few years ago on Instagram and 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: you know it just it's these figurines are the most 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: incredible pieces of art you've ever seen. You can get 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: a Navy seal in full haho equipment, I mean down 40 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: to his oxygen mask as perfect as goggling. Oh what 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: do you got there? 42 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: For? 43 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Is selly? 44 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: This is Chris Kyle. 45 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: This is one six scale. So one six scale is 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 2: essentially twelve inches tall. And when I got started, I 48 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: loved back in the day. I love the old school 49 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: Gi Joe's. I drew up on the three and three quarter. 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: I always had an affinity though, because I wanted to 51 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: see more detail. And then I got into one six scale. 52 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: I got laid up and my grandma had bought me 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: a couple of these, and I had started to mix 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 2: and match the pieces and kind of get creative with 55 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: them and use one parts from one, put them on 56 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 2: the other, and kind of customize and make my own. 57 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: And that kind of got the ball rolling, and I 58 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: saw opportunity because one six scale wasn't necessarily even talked 59 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: about in these markets. Over here, we had old school 60 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: g I Joe, the twelve inch action man. When you 61 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: were growing up, you're not that much older than me, 62 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 2: but that's that's kind of the where it started. And 63 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: we saw toy stores like Toys r US carried these 64 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: companies got called twenty first Century, which were these twelve 65 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: inch you know, old school action figures, and you could 66 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: have modern military, you could have World War Two, you 67 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: could have good guys, you could have bad guys. They 68 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: even made vehicles. But that's where I kind of got 69 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: my my kickstart with this stuff and then what I 70 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: did with that was I wanted to customize and kind 71 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: of make them better. And that's kind of how we 72 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: all got into this. So yeah, that's where we're at. 73 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: I remember, like my biggest gripe always was you know, 74 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: the weapons were always so bad, right, the weapons were 75 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: bad like if you had if you got one other 76 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: piece with it, it wasn't great. But what you're doing 77 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: is like nothing I've ever seen before. I mean, like 78 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: when I I mean, I found a couple people over 79 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: I think it was over an Asian market that was 80 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: doing it. But when I got to you and I saw, 81 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: like I told you last night we were talking, when 82 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: I saw your quad nod helmet mounted, you know, full 83 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: dev Greu style helmet system, that's when I was like, man, 84 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: this is a master at his craft. How long did 85 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: it take you to figure out how to get that 86 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: detailed and what was the process. 87 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: So so the way to get the detail is to 88 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: replicate the real thing and scale it down. So when 89 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: we do our basically we looked at real kit in 90 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: real gear, we see how it works, how it functions, 91 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 2: and then we try to make make it to scale 92 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: and one six scale and like these weapons for example, 93 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: like this is a sniper rifle. This has a removable 94 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: magazine you can pop out. It has a metal round. Wow, 95 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: you can actually move the bolts of the bolt. Move 96 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: my gosh, bipod comes down, you can change the scope out. 97 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: Cheek ryiser comes up in the back. But it's fully detailed, 98 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: just like the real thing. The object was to get 99 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: us as realistic as we could, or something that would 100 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: be a museum quality, hyper detailed action figure to put 101 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: on your desk. 102 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: Wow. And and so when you first began, I mean, 103 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: obviously you know these types of detailed I mean they're 104 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: not even toys like you said, these are these are 105 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: these are pieces of art right right, these are museum 106 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: quold pieces of art. How do you begin to even 107 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: find where to do that or how to do that? Like, 108 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: I mean, did you have to invent all of this 109 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: from scratch yourself? 110 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: No? No, I didn't have to invent it all. I 111 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: just had to figure out where to go to do it. 112 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: We tried to to obviously. Uh. We started buying and selling, 113 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 2: We started becoming a distributor, and we started to carry 114 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: the products that were already made. What we wanted to 115 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: do is we wanted to upgrade those essentially and make 116 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: them better quality. So we went out with the idea of, 117 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: if we're going to do something, let's let's do something 118 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: where we we do something based on a real person. 119 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: So let's let's create a figure that's a legacy, that 120 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: that is a real person during a real tour of duty. 121 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: And let's create that and create all of the gear 122 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: that you wore and allow that to represent that human 123 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: being to fans and to people that would appreciate art 124 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: like this. 125 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Wow. Well and you held up the Chris Kyle doll, 126 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: that not doll, but but a figure. You know, which 127 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 1: is I mean for me, it's it's it's not only 128 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: just is the is the is what you're creating? Cool? 129 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: But you know, I had the incredible opportunity to you know, 130 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: I was one small little fraction of of influence in 131 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: his development as a frog man. You know, he went 132 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: through SQT when I was in an SQT instructor. But man, 133 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: when you when that came out, when I found that figureine, 134 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: I was just so overwhelmed because you know, the whole 135 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: idea of what can take place in these images, you know, 136 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: you know where you you I mean, think of all 137 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: the people that you know have these profound respect for 138 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: not only these individuals, these heroes in their lives, but 139 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: also these time frames, these moments, because I think that 140 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: that's also a big piece too. Right, you can create 141 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: a piece for somebody that embodies a whole memory, a 142 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: whole idea of time frame within with whatever spectrum you're doing, 143 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: whether it's a John Wick figurine or it's a Vietnam 144 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: or a World War two? Is that kind of the 145 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: hope that you're doing with these? 146 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So essentially it's a snapshot in history, right, So 147 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: it's a snapshot and the person was there, this is 148 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: who they were, this has represented them, this is what 149 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: they used, and it's it's a snapshot in history, and 150 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: it's a piece of history. To be honest with you, 151 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: these are so small batch, Like we don't do anything 152 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: over three hundred to five hundred units and that's WORLDWI. 153 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: So these are very small batch, very meticulous, and very 154 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: just pieces of creative art that represent that character in 155 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: that snapshot of history. 156 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: How do you how do you pick who you who 157 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: or what time period you want to do? 158 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 2: That's a really good question. We've I'm into modern stuff. 159 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: I'm into modern military stuff, so that's kind of my genre. 160 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 2: I'm obviously a lover of all the stuff modern war movies, 161 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: you know, characters, books, navy seals, you know, they don't 162 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 2: I look up to people like that, and I wanted 163 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: to honor this, this class of people, and so to 164 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: pick somebody. We don't do many of these, so we 165 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: do basically one legacy figure a year, so it's a 166 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: very small amount to do that. We obviously we want 167 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 2: to contact the family first, we want to make sure 168 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: that we get permission, and then we want to collect 169 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: all the data we can from teammates, from family where 170 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: there it's high school photos, your book photos, in order 171 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: to create the lifelike head sculpt So that's a big 172 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: portion of it. And then we want to check in 173 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: with teammates to see exactly is this the correct gear, 174 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: is this what they use? Get any pictures that we 175 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 2: can and just kind of build a file and from 176 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: that file, then we start the process of prototyping. 177 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible. Can you list some of the some 178 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: of the legacy figures that you've done. You love hot 179 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: spicy things, and you like it your food to have 180 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: a little punch to it, then please go to Firecracker 181 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: dot form and check out their pepper in fue use 182 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: salt in these beautiful salt shakers, so that way you 183 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: can spice up your meals like I do every single day. Man, 184 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: my eggs have never been the same since I got 185 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: myself some of their their wonderful spiced salt. Man. Again, 186 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: check out Firecracker dot m. When you go there, type 187 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: in RUT fifteen that's Romeo uniform Tango fifteen one five 188 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: for your discount, and you are going to have a 189 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: whole new appreciation uh for spicy food. Who yuh wow, 190 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: that's incredible. Can you list some of the some of 191 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: the legacy figures that you've done? 192 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: Sure, so, I've done Chris Kyle. We've done Mark A. Lee. 193 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: Oh, that's one of my favorites. 194 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: Man. 195 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: Mark was salty human. 196 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: Being Yeah, good human being good. 197 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really solid. 198 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: We've done Mark Forrester, which was a cct uh. Currently 199 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: we have we have two legacy figures on the plate 200 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: that are upcoming that we're currently working on. 201 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: Are the secret can you can you look? Can you 202 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: tell us right now? 203 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: I'll tell you one. So one right now is John Chapman. Yes, 204 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: so that's a that's a big deal. And then there's 205 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: a great story behind that, and maybe that's that's for 206 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: another time, but there's a great story behind let me. 207 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: Let me just tell everybody. John Chapman is a metal 208 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: really when you think about the g Watt was the 209 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: first individual in an in an event and it was 210 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: actually a part of Roberts Ridge where Neil Roberts, a 211 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: frogman at dev group, was shot well, fell out of 212 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: a ch forty seven after a rocket because they were 213 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: trying to take out a Dishka anti aircraft gun. He 214 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: fell out of the back and then was in a 215 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: running gun fight with these tal Bank guys and all 216 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: kind of guys. They came back for a rescue mission 217 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: and and Chapman and another frogman who also received the 218 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: Medal of Honor for this, they assaulted this machine gun 219 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: ness by himself but essentially by themselves, and Chapman led 220 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,479 Speaker 1: the charge. And it's the only Medal of Honor story 221 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: that is actually filmed in real time. You can look 222 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: it up on Utah YouTube go and you'll see John 223 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: Chapman predator view of a Medal of Honor and you 224 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: can watch his whole movement. You know, I was in 225 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: country not you know, a few months after this happened, 226 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: and it was one of the most profound things that 227 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: was you know, permeated across the soft community of what 228 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: he did on that incredible day. So the fact that 229 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: you're honoring him is just overwhelming, not only I think 230 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: for the entire soft community, but for anybody who's been, 231 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, actively paying attention to the GWAT over the 232 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: last twenty plus years. So just Sally, thank you so 233 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: much for one wanting to you know, memorialize these these 234 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: men and these incidents in such a profound way. It's 235 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,599 Speaker 1: just really a beautiful gesture on your part. 236 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: You know. I I feel like like it's not just 237 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: it's I love. I love to do this type of thing, 238 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: and I love to have have it be for the 239 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: right reason, if that makes sense. I wanted to be 240 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: a good project, I wanted to bring people together. I 241 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: want it to be for the right reasons, and I 242 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: want to do it the right way. So I'm excited 243 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: to be able to do that. Yeah. 244 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: Well, another place I just want to chat about is 245 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: is And obviously everybody go Chuck check out at black 246 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: Ops Toys on Instagram. It's it's where I found him. 247 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: It's incredible. But he's also got this really cool YouTube 248 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: channel as well, where you describe in detail how you 249 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: put it all together, and and I remember watching the 250 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: first one and I was just like, you know, I 251 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: think one of the ones that really struck me before 252 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: is you had this six guns shooter belt. I forget 253 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: what figurine it was for, but you have your little 254 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: tweezers and you're putting the ammunition in the belt itself. So, 255 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, can you give us some kind of understanding 256 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: of how long the process takes, what are some of 257 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: the more difficult aspects about the manufacturing, both of the 258 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: weapon systems or ammunition, and then most especially the meticulousness 259 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: of the kit and the gear that you have. 260 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: Right, so pretty much everything on these figures is hand done. 261 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: It's got some sort of hand involvement in it. As 262 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: far as the weapon systems, they're super intricate. So example, 263 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: we worked with Barrett Firearms about I think I want 264 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: to say seven or eight years ago. We did a 265 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: Barrett mrad for them for shot Show, and they sent 266 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: us a Barrett m Rad and we looked at it, 267 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: scaled it down, three D modeled it and then produced it. 268 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: But we produced all the parts essentially that made the 269 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: real kit injection molden and made a one six scale firearm. Wow, 270 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: super super cool. 271 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: The first thing in my head is like, can they fire? 272 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: Right, That's what everybody asks. No they can't fire. No, 273 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: they can't fire. 274 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you had you like in the future, you'll be able. 275 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: They'll have like their little AI components and the dude 276 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: will be on the desk and then all of a 277 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: sudden it be like. 278 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: God, the videos coming. Yeah, so we're starting to see 279 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: video animation from AI and a lot of people are 280 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: animating their figures right now. So it's very very. 281 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: That's awesome, man, I'm gonna have to look those up. 282 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: What I'd like to say is you got to think 283 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: about these things like model kids. So back when you 284 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: were a kid. You know, our standard customer base is, 285 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: you know, anywhere from twenty five to fifty five. And 286 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: these are guys that love models. They love to tinker, 287 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: they love firearms, they love to put stuff together, they 288 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: love to upgrade things. So when you come into the 289 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: industry and you start to look at this stuff, you know, 290 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: it blows everybody away. You know, if you have a 291 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: figure on your desk and somebody walks into your office, 292 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: the first thing they do is go, what is that 293 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: that is so cool? Where can I get one? So 294 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: it's got that kind of pow and now wow. But 295 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: you can start with a Minton Box figure. Minton Box 296 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: is basically just a figure design like the Chris Kyle 297 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: at the Mark Lee and it comes with everything you 298 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: need in the box and you put it together with 299 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: tweezers and with you know, some patients. We do have 300 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: a YouTube channel where I do build guides and I 301 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: kind of show you how to put stuff together, how 302 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: things work. But really, I mean, this is something that's 303 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: that's kind of an escape for people. This is something 304 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: that you can tinker with, you can concentrate on, and 305 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: you can make something that's absolutely fantastic. 306 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: That that's incredible. I you know, one of the I 307 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: think great lessons when with little kids. I mean back 308 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: in the day, you know, my uncle used to take 309 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: me to these model, little model shops in western Michigan, 310 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, the Dutch used to have these, and you 311 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: know we'd go in and he'd be like, all right, 312 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: this is a battle scene from Get or whatever, and 313 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: you can get them in assemble them, or you can 314 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: get them and paint each each figurine and you know, 315 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: you have the little guides and all that stuff. And 316 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: there was just something that I think you know ingrained 317 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: in me as a child, the beauty, the meticulous, the 318 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: thoughtfulness of those those those uh, those figurines and the 319 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: way you know it. And then also more importantly the 320 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: time with my uncle and or the time with my 321 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: dad or whatever it might have been. Is is that 322 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: a part of this that you you you hope is 323 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: happening when people purchase these that they're having that type 324 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: of exchange with with their children. 325 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: You know, I want people to talk about it. I 326 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: want people to do it together. It's just like building 327 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: an RC car with your kid. It allows you to 328 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: be creative and that's a huge deal now, you know, 329 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: to to actually enjoy something and be able to fidget 330 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: with it and do something with it and have something 331 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 2: that you're proud of. And this is something that takes time. 332 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: It takes it takes patience, and it takes dedication. But 333 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: you can become a master class action figure builder and 334 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: you can just upgrade these things to your heart's content. 335 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: Well, you know, another another really cool things I you know, 336 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: as I it's so hard for me because obviously I 337 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: told you I have four daughters, and so you know 338 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: the extent of my action figures as a kid or 339 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: for them as kids was Barbie, you know, and that 340 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: was short lived. So I was like, as I'm scrolling through, 341 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: you know, uh spetsnot skuy oh, I want that one 342 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: or my personal favorite, all the variations of the private 343 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: military contractor because he spends so much, and I'm like, dude, 344 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: I wore that exact kit back in five. 345 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: You know. 346 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: It's like it sucks me in. And I was joking 347 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: with you, you know, I tell you my my new wife, Jada, 348 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: you know, is is like is like, I, you know, 349 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: I have in my my old office, you know, all 350 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: these little you know, things all over the place, and 351 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: she's reduced that down except for my you know, I've 352 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: got my life. And I go, I'm going to get this. 353 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: When she goes, you're not getting that one, and I 354 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to get this and she's like, 355 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: you're not gonna So like, let me. These are not 356 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: inexpensive pieces obviously, and and what you know, what what 357 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: do you see in terms of the feedback you're getting 358 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: from people who are purchasing these for you from you people. 359 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: That's that cevs absolutely love them, and typically a customer 360 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: that buys one is going to buy more. And what 361 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: we're able to do on our website is you're able 362 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 2: to buy a Minting Box unit, but you're also able 363 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 2: to buy the parts and pieces. So we take Minting 364 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: Box figures and we part them out so you can 365 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: buy the chest rig from this one. You can buy 366 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: the weapons system from this one. You could buy the 367 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 2: sneakers from this one. You could buy the head sculpt here, 368 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 2: so you can kind of mix and match and create 369 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 2: your own to your heart's content. 370 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: Well that's what I got when I you know, every 371 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: time I go to your website, Like it was funny. 372 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: We're sitting around dinner and after dinner and and I'm 373 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: scrolling through. My kids are like, what are you doing 374 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: right now? And my oldest walks over and and I'm 375 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: staring at I'm literally staring at Vietnam h gear right 376 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: and and she goes, what are you doing right now? 377 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm I'm assembling the perfect action figure. 378 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: Leave me alone, right, you know? And I think that 379 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: that's such a cool aspect of it, like you can 380 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: you have so many different parts and so many different 381 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: pieces of kid and clothing that you really can That's 382 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: my The other aspect you can you can generate your 383 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: entire own world or or an idea with what you 384 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: want to see. And and this doesn't it's not just 385 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: regulated to a particular time period. I mean, you have 386 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: you know movie action figures. You know whether it's John 387 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: Wick and you know I love the the You have 388 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 1: the boxes with the gold pieces in them, and you 389 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: know his weapons, and so you could take all those 390 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: and infuse them together. Do you do you find that 391 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people like to do that. So sorry 392 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: for the interruption. I know you're loving this interview as 393 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: much as I do, but I just wanted you to 394 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: be aware and to put on your calendar. May thirty 395 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: first me on our Patreon account at David Rutherford Show, 396 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: I will be giving a live motivational event about performance, 397 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: about what I've learned over the past thirty years of 398 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what about the human condition enables 399 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: us to succeed or what drives failure in the most 400 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: extreme environments. Imageable. That's May thirty first, on our Patreon account. 401 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: Don't miss it. Who Yah back to the interview. So 402 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: you could take all those and infuse them together. Do 403 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: you find that a lot of people like to do that? 404 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: A lot of people love this hobby. The issue is 405 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: that the hobby hasn't seen a lot of growth. And 406 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: the reason I think that it hasn't seen a lot 407 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 2: of growth is in the last couple of years we've 408 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: seen kind of the decline of the real American hero 409 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: type action figure. We don't go into Target and Walmart 410 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: and and see g I. Joe and you know, World 411 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: War one, World War two, modern stuff. We just don't 412 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: see it. So everything has gone more soft and more 413 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: towards you know, other flavors. 414 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, otherlip good well, put well, put well. I'll tell 415 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: you what he under, David Rutherford show our our main 416 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: objective right is to is to kind of bring all 417 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: of that stuff back right the you know us as 418 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: gen xers. You know it's like, man, these these iconic 419 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: action figures or these iconic movie like I talk about 420 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: it all the time, like the dose I had as 421 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: a kid. And again I'll contextualize it with with these 422 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: types of figurines. I would we would go to my 423 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: grandmother and grandfather's house. And my grandmother was a massive 424 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: John Wayne fan and she had multiple John Wayne dolls. 425 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: She had one from Rio Bravo, which is like the 426 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: first like shoot him Up movie I remember as a kid, 427 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: and she had one from when you know the Green 428 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: Berets and and you know, in his classic green beret. 429 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: And I just was fascinated by these these really unique 430 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: aspects of of of masculinity and and in the ideal 431 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: role model or the hero. And you know, forget the 432 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: eighties where it was you know, John Rambo and Commando 433 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: and Bruce Willis and I love your Bruce Willis figure 434 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: out there too from Die Hard, you know, and you know, 435 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: so how what do we do? Like we're I mean, 436 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: is it is it as much just word of mouth 437 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: that people find you or is that the best way 438 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: you think people are being reintroduced to these ideas? 439 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: You know, getting it out there is hard. It's very 440 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: very difficult. It's difficult because of social media and in algorithms. 441 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to go into this 442 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: real quick, but algorithms essentially see anything to a anything 443 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: firearms related, and they kind of put it on the 444 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: back burner, so people can't see it, and so they 445 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: put it as regulated goods and they flag your posts 446 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 2: and then you can't be shown to the new followers. 447 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 2: So I've got a real hard time, uh, getting it 448 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: out there. But the best people, they're the best way 449 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 2: to do it is to tell people about it, to 450 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: show them a physical like, look at what I got. 451 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: You want to see where to get it? This is 452 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: where you get it, and you know, just tell people 453 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 2: about it. 454 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet people who actually have the figurines are like, 455 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: I don't want anybody else to know about this, Like 456 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: I've got the I've got the coolest thing in the 457 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: whole world. It's it's just mine and nobody else. Well, 458 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the main reason why I wanted 459 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: to have you on as man. I want you know, 460 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: every you know, little boy or teenage boy or even girls, 461 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: because I know you make some really cool girl figuringes too. 462 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: What what what are some of the girl focus that 463 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: you've had in the past as well too? 464 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: Typically the female stuff that I've done is just PMC related, 465 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: So we've taken all sorts of modern kit and created 466 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: a female version of a PMC. So we're allowed to 467 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: take the best and the genes and whatever's cool. I 468 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: guess whatever I think is cool, we can put on 469 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 2: a figure and do something new with it. 470 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: When I saw you had the contractor with the Vans, 471 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: with the multiicam Vans, That's when I was like, dude, 472 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: that's it. I'm like, I'm in love with Sully. You know, 473 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't even know who you are. And 474 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, god, I you know, at some time our 475 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: past are gonna cross and I'm gonna you know, I'm 476 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: gonna get to meet this guy because you you what 477 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: you're doing Sully is so unique and it's so needed. Right. 478 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: We need to get back to delivering these types of 479 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: of of of figurines. I mean, what I would love 480 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: to see is, you know, you get so big in 481 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: terms of manufacturing that you can produce, you know, the 482 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: next lower model, so you can mass produce these things 483 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: and we can get them into Walmarts and Target. 484 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: It'd be great man to do a big box store, 485 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 2: but to have something cool, like something's right that you 486 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 2: want to walk in there with your boy and go 487 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: which one do you want? Let's buy all of them, 488 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: Let's go play in the backyard. Let's do something cool. 489 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: Well, I it's so funny. I you know, I told 490 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: you I'm real close with Sean Ryan, and you know, 491 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: I as with four daughters. You know, I can't that 492 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: that time has passed. 493 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 2: It. 494 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: Like, he's got a young son who's only three, and 495 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: I keep telling him, Hey, man, can I send him 496 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: this one? He's like, no, not yet, because you know, 497 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: he's like bro. You know, he's like bro, he loves trains. 498 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: And I was like, let me give him one of these, 499 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: though He's he's like not yet, dude. So I mean, 500 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, how does that happen? How do we get 501 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: to a place where that can take place? I mean, 502 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, is there a manufacturing that can do that 503 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: for you? Is there a partnership that if you were 504 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: to like imagine the perfect partnership, what does that look 505 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: like in order for you to scale your business? 506 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: Man, the perfect partnership would be to have somebody who 507 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 2: knew the manufacturing side but stateside, so stuff we can 508 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: do here locally to decrease the cost would be great. 509 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: There's stuff that I partner with a company called Easy 510 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: and Simple, and they are the best in the business 511 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: in my opinion, and making military action figures. Wow, and 512 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: they do all everything is super hand detailed, so every 513 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: head sculpt is hand painted, every uniform is stitched correctly 514 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: in scale. So it's very very high end, detail oriented 515 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: focus when it comes to producing these things. So I 516 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: would love to be able to bring at least parts 517 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: of that here so we could could decrease the cost, 518 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: increase the amount we produce, and get it out there 519 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: into mainstream retailers. 520 00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that would be unbelievable. You know. Now 521 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: You've got my my wheels turning as I'm starting to 522 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: think of all the billionaires. I know that quite a few. 523 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to process, like, all right, what does 524 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: this factory look like? How big is the machining? I mean, 525 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: obviously this company that you work with, I mean they 526 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: have to make these molds, every single one of these 527 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: molds correct, correct? 528 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: Yep? 529 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: Wow. And so so just that process alone, you know, 530 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: and I think it goes back to that idea of 531 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: manufacturing and and and bringing that that mentality back to 532 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: at least the States. I'm assuming that the group you 533 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: work with is overseas, correct, It's overseas, okay, all right? 534 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: So so you know, I mean the whole idea man 535 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: of being able to have somebody work with you in 536 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: your own back or you are you know, working with 537 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: this new factory or or manufacturing organization where you live, 538 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: and I mean and just being able to produce these 539 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: at scale. It's just a no brainer for me. But 540 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 1: you're right, there is this kind of cultural hurdle that 541 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: we need to get over. I you know, thankfully, I 542 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: think we're we're starting to see that a little bit. 543 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: But but still, I know there's a lot of a 544 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: lot of. 545 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: Work that needs to be done. 546 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of work to be done, all right, 547 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: So Solly, you know what's you know, give us a 548 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: final you know, couple ideas or or concepts about who, 549 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: what would this gift be great for? Who who benefits 550 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: it from it? And and just you know, uh what, 551 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: and then finish with just you know, why is it 552 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: such a passion for you to be able to do this? 553 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: Sure when we started this whole thing that and you 554 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: kind of nailed it on the head, is we want 555 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: wanted to produce kind of a hero, right, we want 556 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: we want something that people go in and they see 557 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: and they're like, I want to be more like that person. 558 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: I want to I want to live my life like 559 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: nobly and I want to do things, you know, for 560 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: other people. And the projects are are amazing. Right. So 561 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: the family, you know, obviously they get a piece of history, 562 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: They get an icon of a person that they loved, 563 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: and other people that that look up to that person 564 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: or know about that person can now have something that 565 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: represents them and kind of their character on their desk, 566 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: which is kind of cool. 567 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: Oh amen to that, Sully brother. I just I absolutely 568 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: love what you do. If you're listening to this, go 569 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: visit Blackoptoys dot com, go through the website, find all 570 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: these they have pre made, already boxed, all the different pieces. 571 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you this organization, this company is exactly 572 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: what defines America. This company is the group, it's the 573 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: This is what we need. We need to bring this 574 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: type of toy, this type of of of historic momento 575 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: back into the mainstream. So Sally, I can't thank you enough, brother, 576 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: and and you got to promise me when you when 577 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: you're done with the Chapman one, you'll come back on 578 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: We'll do a whole other thing. You can describe it, 579 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: go through the whole thing with us. 580 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 2: I would love to do that. That'd be super cool. 581 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: Perfect well, thank you so much, Sally, God bless you, 582 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: and I hope you. I hope this you crush it. 583 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, God bless you, and thank you 584 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: for for doing this. I appreciate it.