WEBVTT - How Does the Myth of the Minotaur Work?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Brainstuff, a production of iHeartRadio, Hey Brainstuff Lauren Vogelbaum. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>the name minotaur summons the image of a man with

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<v Speaker 1>the head of a bull, a raging hybrid that serves

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<v Speaker 1>as a sort of stock creature in gains and films.

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<v Speaker 1>But to understand this creature, sometimes known as Asterion or Asterius,

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<v Speaker 1>we must confront him where he lives within the labyrinth

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<v Speaker 1>of mythology, history, and the human psyche. To start with,

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<v Speaker 1>let's remember the basic myth of the minotaur, as presented

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<v Speaker 1>in Hellenic tradition and works like Ovid's The Metamorphoses. The

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<v Speaker 1>story goes something like this. Once on the island of Crete,

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<v Speaker 1>a king by the name of Minus sought to secure

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<v Speaker 1>his rule. He prayed to Poseidon for a sacrificial beast

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<v Speaker 1>he might offer up, But when the sea gods sent

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<v Speaker 1>forth a white bull from the frothing Surfus found it

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<v Speaker 1>too beautiful to sacrifice. Instead, he sacrificed mortal bulls, and

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<v Speaker 1>thus incurred Poseidon's wrath. The sea god bewitched Minus's wife, Pacify,

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<v Speaker 1>to fall in love with the white bull, and she

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<v Speaker 1>soon gave birth to a monstrous hybrid, the Bull of

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<v Speaker 1>Minus or the minotaur. Nas Klein's translation of the Metamorphoses,

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<v Speaker 1>a first published in the year two thousand OVID, describes

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<v Speaker 1>the minotaur as a strange hybrid creature, and the creature

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<v Speaker 1>was strange, a twin form of bull and man that

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<v Speaker 1>emerged out of divine wrath and on natural love. It

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<v Speaker 1>embodied both shame and sacredness. Minus could only hope to hide,

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<v Speaker 1>but not kill, this terrifying creature. Thus he employed the

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<v Speaker 1>master craftsman Daedalus to construct the Labyrinth, a tortuous maze

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<v Speaker 1>that was practically impossible to leave. Here, he housed the

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<v Speaker 1>bellowing minotaur and feed it the blood of prisoners sent

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<v Speaker 1>to Crete as tribute by other nations. Yet all monsters

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<v Speaker 1>meet their slayer in the end. The Athenian hero Theseus

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<v Speaker 1>took the place of a tribute sent to Crete, but

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<v Speaker 1>he befriended Ariadne, the daughter of King Minus. She gave

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<v Speaker 1>him a ball of string to unwind behind him, and

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<v Speaker 1>details on the twists and turns that would lead him

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<v Speaker 1>to the beast at the labyrinth's heart. There he slayed

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<v Speaker 1>the minotaur and followed the string back to the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the gist myths however, emerge from long traditions of

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<v Speaker 1>multiple tellings. Like the labyrinth itself, the origin of any

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<v Speaker 1>given myth becomes a tangled maze that defies easy solution.

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<v Speaker 1>Just when we think we've emerged from its trappings, we

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<v Speaker 1>find ourselves lost too. In the words of Ovid, the

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<v Speaker 1>windings of alternating paths. But let's not stand still less

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<v Speaker 1>the minotaur find us here. Instead, let's first consider the

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<v Speaker 1>historical significance of the myth. The story of the Minotaur

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<v Speaker 1>is intrinsically tied to Crete and the Bronze Age Minoan

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<v Speaker 1>civilization that thrived there. The early twentieth century British archaeologist

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Arthur Evans actually coined the term Minoan civilization as

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<v Speaker 1>a reference to the mythical King Minus. As such, a

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<v Speaker 1>myth continues to haunt our modern conceptions of these ancient peoples.

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<v Speaker 1>From their stories, you might assume the Greeks believed Crete

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<v Speaker 1>to be an evil land full of brutal kings and

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<v Speaker 1>profane monsters, but that's not the whole story. The creed

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<v Speaker 1>of Greek myth could be contradictory, with some treatments of

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<v Speaker 1>King Minus describing him as a wise Moses esque figure

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<v Speaker 1>and others depicting him as the head of a royal

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<v Speaker 1>household rife with murder, sacrilege, and betrayal. It's this latter

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<v Speaker 1>version of Minus that lingers in modern culture. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>example of what academic Joseph Campbell, who wrote extensively about mythology,

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<v Speaker 1>described as the figure of the tyrant monster, an archetype

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<v Speaker 1>of destructive, ego based disruption. In reality, the exact nature

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<v Speaker 1>of Minoan rule is much debated, and the political system

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<v Speaker 1>likely changed a few times over the course of the

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<v Speaker 1>two millennia long Minoan Age. Scholarly interpretations include both royal

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<v Speaker 1>rule and age ender balanced elite class that might be

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<v Speaker 1>compared to a council or corporation a specific king. Minus, however,

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<v Speaker 1>is not the only element of myth that's largely missing

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<v Speaker 1>from the actual discertible history of Bronze Age Crete. The

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<v Speaker 1>labyrinth is as well. For the article of this episode

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<v Speaker 1>is based on How Stuff Works. Spoke via email with

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<v Speaker 1>Nicoletta Momigliano, Professor of Agean Studies at the University of Bristol,

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<v Speaker 1>an author of the book In Search of the Labyrinth,

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<v Speaker 1>The Cultural Legacy of Minoan Crete. She said there is

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<v Speaker 1>no building in minowing crete that can be described as

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<v Speaker 1>a complicated maze, that is, a complicated system of paths

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<v Speaker 1>or hedges, designed as a puzzle through which one has

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<v Speaker 1>to find a way. But the ruins of Minoan palaces,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the largest one, Nassis, can have a labyrinthine appearance.

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<v Speaker 1>The aforementioned archaeologist Sir Arthur Evans was the excavator of Nassis.

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<v Speaker 1>He equated the structure there with the labyrinth. However, a

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<v Speaker 1>much of Evans's interpretation arrests on the linguistic connection between

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<v Speaker 1>the word labyris meaning a double axe, with the prevalence

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<v Speaker 1>of this motif appearing in the masonry. He was defining

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<v Speaker 1>Labyrinth as the house of the double axe. Momic Leano said.

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<v Speaker 1>One should note, however, that the connection between labyrinth and

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<v Speaker 1>labyrinth appears to be much more tenuous than Evans suggested.

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<v Speaker 1>Apart from the linguistic difficulties and relating the two words

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out by several philologists, one may also observe that

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<v Speaker 1>while Mason's marks in the shape of a double axe

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<v Speaker 1>do appear most frequently at Nassis, they are not exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>to this site, and other signs are also very common. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about our monster of the hour, the minataur itself.

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<v Speaker 1>While no one expects to find literal beast men amid

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<v Speaker 1>the Minoan ruins, you might reasonably expect to find images

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<v Speaker 1>of the creature so associated with the island. But while

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<v Speaker 1>bulls do appear quite frequently in Minoan art, including depictions

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<v Speaker 1>of humans leaping over the backs of charging bulls, the

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<v Speaker 1>minotaur is another story, Mimicleano said. Interestingly, and contrastingly, depictions

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<v Speaker 1>of minotaur images, that is, of a creature that is

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<v Speaker 1>half man and half bull, are very rare and relatively

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<v Speaker 1>late in Minoan crete, and one may also wonder whether

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<v Speaker 1>these may be stylized representations of bull leaping, since they

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<v Speaker 1>appear on tiny seal stones or seal impressions. We should

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<v Speaker 1>also note here that animal human hybrid figures do factor

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<v Speaker 1>into multiple traditional and ancient cultures, and Minoan crete is

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<v Speaker 1>no exception, Mimigliano said, But there is no prevalence of

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<v Speaker 1>bulls in these cases. They tend to involve other animals

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<v Speaker 1>such as birds and goats. So how exactly one got

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<v Speaker 1>from Minoan bulls to later Greek representations of the minotaur

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<v Speaker 1>is not entirely clear. Some writers have proposed that accounts

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<v Speaker 1>of the minotaur's subterranean bellowing might have been a way

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<v Speaker 1>for ancient peoples to explain actual seismic rumblings. This idea

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<v Speaker 1>is an exercise in what's known as geo mythology, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the study of alleged references to geological events in mythology. However,

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<v Speaker 1>this remains an open question, and Mimicliano cautions that it

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<v Speaker 1>gets us no closer to unraveling the mystery of the minotaur.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, while there are plenty of bulls in minoing

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<v Speaker 1>crete and earthquakes, minotaur images are conspicuous by their almost

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<v Speaker 1>total absence. The minotaur myth likely took many winding, alternating

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<v Speaker 1>paths to reach its most popular form, and the monster

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<v Speaker 1>has endured long beyond the empires that birthed it. Mamigliano said,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the minotaur would have had more specific associations

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<v Speaker 1>for the ancient Greeks as an example of punishment for

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<v Speaker 1>not keeping one's promises to the gods. But the story

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<v Speaker 1>of the minotaur, like many other ancient Greek narratives, and

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<v Speaker 1>not just Greek narratives, can be and has been endlessly

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<v Speaker 1>reimagined to address different aspects of the human condition at

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<v Speaker 1>different times and in different contexts. The Minotaur, in various

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<v Speaker 1>forms and reinterpretations, has indeed appeared in Dante's Inferno and

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<v Speaker 1>Picasso's art, in the Chronicles of Narnia and House of Leaves,

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<v Speaker 1>in operas and schlocky horror television and Dungeons and Dragons.

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<v Speaker 1>We just can't seem to get enough of this mythic beast.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, the minotaur is a collision of the human

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<v Speaker 1>and the beastial, a symbol of the oft pondered dual

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<v Speaker 1>nature of man. He is both victim and tormentor. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the punisher and yet a punishment himself, imprisoned in what

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Campbell dubbed is Minus's house of death, a labyrinth

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<v Speaker 1>of Cyclopean walls to hide from him his monster. Sigmund

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<v Speaker 1>Freud equated the labyrinth of the minotaur with the darkness

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<v Speaker 1>of the unconscious mind. For theseus, it's the monster hidden

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<v Speaker 1>and pursued. For Minus, its shame secreted away, and for

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<v Speaker 1>the minotaur himself it's an exercise and cruel and inescapable circumstance.

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<v Speaker 1>These days, we often casually compare the labyrinth to other

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<v Speaker 1>complex and often unpleasant systems like healthcare or criminal justice. Likewise,

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<v Speaker 1>we can look to many examples in contemporary horror as

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<v Speaker 1>further re interactions. Of the minotaur in his labyrinth, think

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<v Speaker 1>of the chainsaw wielding Leatherface in his rural Texas deathhouse,

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<v Speaker 1>or of Pennywise the clown in its sewers, or even

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<v Speaker 1>of jaws in its ocean. They are all terrifying entities,

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<v Speaker 1>made more terrifying by the environment they call home. In

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<v Speaker 1>the words of or Hey Luis Borges in the Book

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<v Speaker 1>of Imaginary Beings translated by Andrew Hurley, quote, Indeed, the

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<v Speaker 1>image of the labyrinth and the image of the minotaur

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<v Speaker 1>seem to go together. Is fitting that at the center

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<v Speaker 1>of a monstrous house there should live a monstrous inhabitant.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode is based on the article The Myth of

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<v Speaker 1>the Minotaur, the Legendary Beast We Can't Forget on HowStuffWorks

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com, written by Robert Lamb. To hear more from Rob,

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