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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Shock announcement Sean Combs aka Diddy aka Puff Daddy aka

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Speaker 2: Puffy aka Love Shawn Combs now set to leave prison

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Speaker 2: even sooner. His release date moved up yet again. You

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Speaker 2: know what, there just ain't no justice. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. You heard it. Shawn Combs set to

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Speaker 2: be released from his four year prison sentence even earlier

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Speaker 2: than projected. His sentence shaved for a third time. He

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Speaker 2: will now be freed Feb twenty three, twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: two months earlier than before. His sentence has already been

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Speaker 2: reduced before. Right now, he's in New Jersey's FCI Fort Dix,

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Speaker 2: the Federal Correctional Institute. He was originally set to be

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Speaker 2: released in May of twenty eight after his convictions on

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Speaker 2: two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. Now it's

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Speaker 2: been shaved down again. He had a rocky start behind bars.

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Speaker 2: Claims he drank moonshine and made unauthorized phone calls. His

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Speaker 2: lawyer denied it all. Notwithstanding he keeps getting time shaved

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Speaker 2: off his sentence. I wonder why what landed him there

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Speaker 2: in Fort Dick's FCI Federal Correctional Institute to start with.

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Speaker 2: After a split verdict where Shawn Combs is acquitted AVYCO,

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Speaker 2: two other accounts come into play. Shawn Comb's convicted on

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Speaker 2: two felony accounts. There was a massive argument via paper

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Speaker 2: to keep Shawncmbs behind bars, the defense fighting tooth and

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Speaker 2: nail to let him out on appeal bond, which means

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Speaker 2: you get out while your conviction is being appealed. Joining

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Speaker 2: me right now TISA Tales. You can find her on

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Speaker 2: YouTube at TISA Tales.

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Speaker 3: TISA.

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Speaker 2: Start at the beginning, Start with the verdict, the split.

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Speaker 4: What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on

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Speaker 4: pins and needles.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 4: Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guilty on

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Speaker 4: at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone

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Speaker 4: they walked in and when they said please read, and

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Speaker 4: they said, what do you find ye on Count one?

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Speaker 4: Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in

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Speaker 4: the courtroom.

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Speaker 3: The public audibly guess nobody was expecting that.

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Speaker 4: There were tears of joy from Diddy's side. Count two,

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Speaker 4: what say ye not guilty?

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Speaker 3: Again? Another bombshell. What off. People were in utter disbelief.

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Speaker 4: Even Didty's most ardent supporters did not expect him to

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Speaker 4: get off on the count of sex trafficking.

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Speaker 3: With Cassie count three.

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Speaker 4: When they said guilty for transportation of a prostitute.

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Speaker 3: When they said guiltyject for.

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Speaker 4: The man a, that is when Didy's team actually cheered, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's all right, okay, okay, come on, almost like we

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Speaker 4: were watching a pro football game. When the other ones

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Speaker 4: came in after that, there were jaws on the ground.

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Speaker 3: It was unbelievable. People were looking at the jury, searching and.

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Speaker 4: To how they can get a verdict in this day

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Speaker 4: and age. They heard Cassie's mother, the twenty thousand, they

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Speaker 4: heard Capricorn Clark, they heard.

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Speaker 3: About the savage beatings, and it.

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Speaker 4: Was unbelievable that the only thing they said was prostitution.

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Speaker 4: And that is because Daniel Phillips in his testimony actually said,

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Speaker 4: at least I'm guessing that was because that he got

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Speaker 4: paid to have sex for money. It was a travesty.

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Speaker 4: It was an all out circus. Everybody, including myself, are

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Speaker 2: I got a question for your teas of tails, and

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Speaker 2: everyone's going to want to know this.

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Speaker 1: You had to leave the courthouse.

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Speaker 4: Why I had to leave the courthouse because Didy's supporters

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Speaker 4: were out of control the first time I ran and

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Speaker 3: Of course, I had two armed security guys.

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Speaker 4: Everyone told me. The people in the courthouse is like,

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Speaker 4: make sure you have security. There's a lot of weird

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Speaker 4: stuff going on. It wasn't just me, but I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you what I experienced. Diddy's supporter is surrounding me, threatening me,

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Speaker 4: saying that they were going to hurt me.

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Speaker 3: It was a serious situation. It got so bad and there.

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Speaker 4: Was so much chaos of chaos and violence that they

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Speaker 4: Didty supporters across the street. It was something myself, the

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Speaker 4: news media, mainstream media, new media have never seen in

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Speaker 4: their lives level. And again the jurors, I hope to

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Speaker 4: god they know how to sleep at night, because again

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they did their duty. But when all that

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Speaker 4: out by armed security people, I thought, this is what

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Speaker 4: the jury did. They sent a signal that it is

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Speaker 4: okay to use violence, it's okay to drug people up.

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Speaker 4: It's okay to live a life of debauchery. It's okay

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Speaker 4: work hard.

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Speaker 3: Enough and you have enough money and.

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Speaker 4: Enough delusional fans, and.

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Speaker 3: You have engrained yourself in culture enough that you can

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Speaker 3: do whatever you want, and twelve of your peers will

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Speaker 3: look the other way. Again, this jury was shocking past

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Speaker 3: of tales.

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Speaker 2: When you say that Shawnkhm's supporters threatened you, what were

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Speaker 4: They were saying, you B you F and B were

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Speaker 4: going to kill you.

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Speaker 3: You F and B you work. Apparently I worked for

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Speaker 3: the fence. You're a plant. You make this all up

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Speaker 3: because of you. Again, they're not too smart, because of you.

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Speaker 3: That's how this case got started. We're gonna treat you

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Speaker 3: worse than we treated Cassie. Cassie, what we do to you,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be nothing that they had on Cassie. They

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Speaker 3: were screaming, they were yelling. Some people were saying, apologize

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Speaker 3: the didty apologize the ditty? Of course, Thank goodness.

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Speaker 4: We had Lenny and we had Jimmy, two of the

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Speaker 4: best arm guards out there.

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Speaker 3: So the one thing.

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Speaker 4: Is they and also they started foaming like wild dogs

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Speaker 4: because they realized that I was not an unprotected woman,

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Speaker 4: felt like, and they started foaming like wild dogs, screaming,

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Speaker 4: their voices cracking in anger that they ricially wanted to

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Speaker 3: This is why their hero had been exonerated.

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Speaker 4: Even in the best of times, these people that support him,

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Speaker 4: there's something wrong with it. And I gotta tell you, Nancy,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't just me.

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Speaker 3: It was not just me.

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Speaker 4: It was anybody that didn't have a pro Diddy stamp

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Speaker 4: from the beginning.

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Speaker 3: That's who suffered.

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel. But I want to

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Speaker 2: thank Tisa Tales for what she's doing tonight. You know,

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Speaker 2: Rob Shooter is joining me.

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Speaker 5: Rob.

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Speaker 1: I really don't know where to start. This is a blow.

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Speaker 1: This is a huge blow.

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Speaker 2: To crime victims all over the country. Huge blow. The

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Speaker 2: big news is right now, Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's going to jail. I was actually worried that somehow

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Speaker 2: the judge would contriveting the law, and the law is

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Speaker 2: under the Bell Reform Act that for these two charges

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Speaker 2: on which he was convicted, he has to go to jail.

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Speaker 1: There is no appeal bond period.

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Speaker 2: But I was so concerned that the judge would somehow

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Speaker 2: find a way to let him walk. And all this time, Shooter,

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Speaker 2: we've been hearing I've got all these letters here. Here's

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Speaker 2: one from Deontay Nash in fear. In fear talking about

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Speaker 2: Combs is long, well documented history, a violent retaliatory behavior.

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Speaker 1: They're afraid.

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Speaker 2: Rob'shooter, guys, Shooter knows comes better.

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Speaker 1: Than any of us. His longtime publicists no more.

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Speaker 2: But now you can find him at his substack robshooter

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Speaker 2: dot substack dot com and non ey but Nice podcast.

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Speaker 1: Shooter.

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Speaker 2: I got to tell you, it's like a kick in

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Speaker 2: the stomach when that split verdict came down.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: I just want to send my best to Tisha. What

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Speaker 6: happened to her outside that courthouse is horrific. It's wrong,

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Speaker 6: and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened. When

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Speaker 6: we heard the judgment, I think we were all shell shocked,

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Speaker 6: we were all heartbroken, we all felt like we'd been

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Speaker 6: kicked in the stomach. However, as the day has gone on,

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Speaker 6: we do have to remember Bonanci that he has been

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Speaker 6: found guilty of two very serious charges. If any other

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Speaker 6: and being found guilty, we would be done with them.

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Speaker 6: So the celebration from Team Diddy, the disappointment from people

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Speaker 6: who've been watching this as closely as we have. I

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Speaker 6: realize that this is not a good day for Diddy.

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Speaker 6: He is now a federal criminal, is in jail tonight,

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Speaker 6: He's going to remain there, and so at least take

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Speaker 2: You know, Rob Sheoter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims,

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Speaker 2: rape victims from all walks of life.

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Speaker 1: There are upset.

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Speaker 2: They don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated. They're sad,

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Speaker 2: they can't believe this has happened. I've been already subjected

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Speaker 1: But I give the credit to the prosecutors for going

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Speaker 2: And I truly believe this was a David and Goliath,

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Speaker 2: and they went in against one of the highest profile

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Speaker 2: reason that blinded them, that drowned out everything that three

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Speaker 1: One had the video, one has the video. I just

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Speaker 1: I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: Rob Sheeter, give me some insight and to how Sean Comes.

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Speaker 1: Got a split vertic.

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Speaker 2: But yes, you're right, he is going to jail on

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Speaker 2: two felonies, two felonies.

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Speaker 1: That's a victory that Sean Comes is going to jail.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a victory.

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Speaker 6: We have to had on for that, Nancy, because in

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Speaker 6: this moment, in this hour, there's not a lot of hope.

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Speaker 6: Everything seems so bad. We have let down not just

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Speaker 6: the people in this case, but victims around the world.

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Speaker 6: Did He now will be empowered. This is not the

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Speaker 6: end of the story, Nancy. When he gets out of jail,

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Speaker 6: if he gets out of jail, he's behavior will not

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Speaker 6: change because he thinks he has gotten away with it. Again,

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Speaker 6: if you enable someone, Nancy, they do not change. So

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Speaker 6: mark my words, Nancy, this is not the end of

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Speaker 6: the did He story. It's the end of a very,

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Speaker 6: very sad chapter. And I think we've let a lot

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Speaker 6: of people down. And as far as being concerned about safety,

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Speaker 6: I just broke reporting that Cassie has now increased her security.

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Speaker 6: Cassie in New York, her home now has security increased.

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Speaker 6: And I think a lot of other people, courageous people

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Speaker 6: who came forward assistance, people that worked with Diddy came

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Speaker 6: forward and testified. They're very vulnerable and they are very,

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Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw joining me, founder and director Lynn's Warriors, dedicated

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Speaker 2: to ending sex trafficking and sex.

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Speaker 1: Abuse on girls and women.

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Speaker 2: When I learned about the split verdict, I was speechless.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. But it's happened.

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Speaker 2: So what do you want the prosecutors to do? Go

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Speaker 2: home and hide under the bed? Should they have just

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Speaker 2: never even brought the case. They did it because they

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Speaker 2: believed it, and I still do believe it.

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Speaker 1: Lynn.

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Speaker 2: I believe Cassie Ventira was coerced and beaten into having

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Speaker 1: I believe her.

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Speaker 8: I believe sex trafficking. This is a sober ref on

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Speaker 8: But I want to point out there is hope. I've

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Speaker 8: Please remind everybody we are here. And that goes back

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Speaker 2: Straight back out to Tisa Tales, who has made it

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Speaker 4: When you heard count one, not guilty, a bomb went

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Speaker 3: Not guilty. No one could believe it.

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Speaker 4: Song Didy's calm side even looked around as if they

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Speaker 4: Okay, they literally pulled a magic act. His team, his side,

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Speaker 3: When we heard the third count, guilty for the prostitution. Okay.

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Speaker 4: To the third count, Marine called me, looked over at

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Speaker 3: And she just kept looking at the jury as they

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Speaker 4: Again, I know the jury did their best, but I

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Speaker 4: the vicious beatings? How can you forget the twenty k

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Speaker 4: the mom had the wire and order for two freak

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's what she thought when she wired it.

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Speaker 4: How can you forget what happened to Bonna being hung

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Speaker 4: How you can forget Deontae Nash and the best friend

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Speaker 4: on purpose. How can you forget all that and come

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Speaker 4: back and say, you know what, we don't see anything

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Speaker 4: criminal here. Again, we can argue about the prosexcuse prostitution

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Speaker 3: We can argue about the prosecution.

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Speaker 4: What they could have did better, but the fact that

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Speaker 4: the jury chose to overlook all that. It brought me

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Speaker 4: back to what Rob Shooter said weeks ago when I

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Speaker 4: first started joining you, Nacy, that people get starstrucked and

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Speaker 4: they want some of that magic. And it makes me

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Speaker 4: wonder were they starstruck? Were they feeling sorry and trying

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Speaker 4: to protect a legacy for someone that hit their depravity

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Speaker 1: It makes you wonder crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The Federal Bureau of Prisons declines to provide any details

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Speaker 2: on why Sean Combs' release date has been moved up

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Speaker 2: yet again. They stated, quote, they do not discuss conditions

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Speaker 2: of confinement for any individual, including release plans. Hmmm. I

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Speaker 2: Why because Sean comes has a very bad temper and

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Speaker 2: holds a grudge. Shawn Combs faced many serious charges during

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Speaker 2: his trial, including sex trafficking, racketeering, all of those who

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Speaker 2: have landed him behind bars for life, but he was

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Speaker 2: acquitted on those counts. He was placed in custody at

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Speaker 2: he was tipping the bottle with fermented Phanta sugar and apples.

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Speaker 2: According to sources, Hmmm that said, that is a far

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Speaker 2: cry from the jet set life he lived before he

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Speaker 2: was convicted. What happened in court? Back to Tisa Tails

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Speaker 2: was mobbed by Diddy fans. Explain to me what was

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Speaker 2: verdict was announced. The Diddy followers, the Diddy worshippers, went

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Speaker 3: They swarmed the circle. It looked like a mush pit

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Speaker 4: They were spraying baby oil on each other, jumping around,

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Speaker 3: Channing yay, yay, yay go and hyping them up. It

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Speaker 4: Bowl of party depravity. When I say I was sickened,

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Speaker 4: when I say, I shuck, shook my head. And when

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Speaker 4: I said, these are the peers, these are the jury

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Speaker 4: and they see what their decision costs and what was

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Speaker 3: Sleep at night?

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Speaker 4: It was absolute pandemonia in between the jumping up and

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Speaker 3: Oil being squirted on them, and everybody laughing and having.

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Speaker 4: A time like Christmas had just come with Santa and

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Speaker 4: the twel perverted elves.

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Speaker 3: What happened after that was even more amazing.

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Speaker 4: Because while that was going on, there were little fires

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Speaker 4: for anybody they had ever saw make anti ditty contests,

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Speaker 4: and by anti Diddy, according to THEILM.

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Speaker 3: It is pro justice.

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Speaker 4: They were going out their way to make sure.

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Speaker 3: That everybody paid.

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Speaker 4: And again I said, this is what that jury costs us,

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Speaker 3: It sent a message.

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Speaker 4: It's okay to be depraved, it's okay to beat women,

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Speaker 4: it's okay to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever

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Speaker 4: you want. And that jury, that jury, when they gave

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Speaker 4: the verdict, signal deck. Again, I'm still coming to terms

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Speaker 3: Thank god, this man was denied bail, Thank god.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Sidney Sunray joining US Crime Stories, investigative

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Speaker 2: reporter on the case from the very beginning break down

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Speaker 2: the counts for me, said.

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Speaker 9: Nancy, how one is that racketeering, rico conspiracy. Combs was

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Speaker 9: found not guilty on count one, Count two, three, four,

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Speaker 9: and five are those sex trafficking and transportation to engage

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Speaker 9: Cassey and Jane on both of those charges. So the

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Speaker 9: jury found that Combes was liable for both transportation to

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Speaker 9: for either Jane or Cassie.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Philip Dubay, joining US veteran trial lawyer

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Speaker 2: joining us out of the LA jurisdiction. So debay, this

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Speaker 2: is the breakdown. Count one racketeering not guilty. Count two

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Speaker 2: sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion as it relates

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Speaker 2: to Cassie Ventira, you know the woman that was beaten

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Speaker 2: in that video and dragged back to a freak off

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Speaker 2: her the one that had to get plastic surgery on

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Speaker 2: her face after.

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Speaker 1: Didd he beat her up. That one, that's a not guilty.

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Speaker 2: Count three transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates

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Speaker 2: to Cassie. Guilty that carries a maximum of ten years.

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Speaker 2: And that comes, I believe from the sex worker who

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Speaker 2: came in Philip and described Sean Combs wearing a burka

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Speaker 2: from the chin up and make it from the.

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Speaker 1: Chin down and had him have.

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Speaker 2: Sex with Cassie on video and directed them that was

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Speaker 2: Jane victim two not guilty. Count five transportation to engage

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Speaker 2: in prostitution as it relates to Jane guilty. So we

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Speaker 2: got two guilties three not guilties split verdict. So there

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Speaker 2: was great jubilation at first when Diddy followers heard split.

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Speaker 2: They heard the words not guilty on count one and

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Speaker 2: went crazy. What do you think is going to happen now, Philip?

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Speaker 7: He will be getting prison time, There's no question.

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Speaker 1: Right, Another thing debate. Let's get real.

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Speaker 2: It's really rare in federal and state court that once

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Speaker 2: you're convicted and a jury convicts.

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Speaker 1: You on a violent offence, that you.

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Speaker 2: Get an appeal bond, which means, okay, judge, I know

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Speaker 2: he just got convicted, but could you please let him

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Speaker 2: walk free now until we take this all the way

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Speaker 2: up to the appellate court and get a decision that

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Speaker 2: rarely works.

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Speaker 1: Agree? Disagree?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 7: I agree one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: No higher court is going to find that this judge

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator at Crispin Special Investigations,

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Speaker 2: former homicide and former vice detective Crispin.

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Speaker 1: Here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: If the judge had granted Shawn Combs a bond and

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Speaker 2: appeal bond. Now remember once he was arrested, Crispin he

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Speaker 2: was kept behind bars. He did not have a bond

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Speaker 2: right for a reason. He's got money, and he squats

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Speaker 2: right over by Teeterborough, the private airport near New York.

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Speaker 2: You know, if the judge had given Shawn Combs an

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Speaker 2: appeal bond, he goes straight to Teiteborough and take off.

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Speaker 2: Probably I don an assumed name. When you fly a

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Speaker 1: Just it's not the same as going through TSA.

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Speaker 2: At Partsville International or LaGuardia or jfk No, where they

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Speaker 1: In all your bags. It's not like that. At a

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Speaker 1: private plane.

445
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Speaker 2: You kind of just walk on onto your private plane

446
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: that he has, have a glass of champagne, and go

447
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: bye bye us, Hello Paris.

448
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: That's what happens, Crispin.

449
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

450
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Speaker 5: Actually, earlier, just before we came on, Nancy, I was

451
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 5: trying to find out where his G five to fifty was,

452
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 5: because we know that it was out in La a

453
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 5: couple of days ago. I was trying to see if

454
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 5: they had already got those guys up and running and

455
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 5: that plane was coming eastbound, thinking he was going to

456
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 5: probably get out and dip out back out to La

457
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 5: or back down here. To Miami, to where his neighbors

458
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 5: aren't certainly thrilled about him coming back, but doesn't look

459
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 5: like anytime soon he's going to be gracing his presence

460
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 5: with these guys. So I was trying to find out

461
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 5: where that jet was that I haven't found out yet.

462
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 5: But the verdict is just it's heartbreaking, and it's a

463
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 5: black eye to the victims. It's terrible, horrible for any

464
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 5: of these victims that want to come forward, or any

465
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 5: witness that wants to put their ass on the line,

466
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 5: raise the right hand and testify against somebody. When a

467
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 5: jury's going to find that guy not guilty, that's really

468
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 5: bad for.

469
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Speaker 10: These witnesses and victims. They know what's coming. Now. Look

470
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 10: what's happened to our reporter As she was leaving the courthouse,

471
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 10: they were attacking her. This guy was found guilty of

472
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 10: federal crimes.

473
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Speaker 1: And I'd like to point.

474
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: Out Rob Sheeter what they were saying to Tisa tails Rob.

475
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: They were saying, we're going to do worse to you

476
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: than we did to Cassie Shooter. I mean, Diddy has

477
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: to be condoning this. He has been orchestrating the crowd.

478
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: He's been orchestrating everything.

479
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, Nancy, I think looking for Diddy to do the

480
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 6: right thing at this moment is unready.

481
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 7: This is who he is.

482
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 6: The whole world has seen who he is, and unfortunately

483
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 6: there's a large amount of people out there who are

484
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 6: just perfectly fine with this. Nobody can pretend anymore that

485
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 6: we don't know who did he is. We know we've

486
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 6: seen him on tape. That tape will exist forever. We've

487
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 6: heard the testimonies, we've heard the accounts, we've heard the details,

488
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 6: we've seen them, and yet some people still support him.

489
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 6: There's nothing we can do about that, Nancy. And to

490
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 6: think that Diddy is going to stop it, that ain't

491
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 6: going to happen.

492
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 7: He's going to encourage it.

493
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 6: He wants people out there, he wants the violence, he

494
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 6: wants people screaming. This to him is the party that

495
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 6: he always wanted to throw shape.

496
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter, everything you're saying can be transposed

497
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: to him before he was arrested. You know, in every case,

498
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: I've told you this before off air. I've seen a

499
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: million homicide scenes, been to the Morgue, I've seen it all.

500
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: But there's always a.

501
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: Moment in a trial that just twists the knife is

502
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: very disturbing. And in this trial, there were two moments

503
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: like that for me.

504
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 3: And one was.

505
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: In the Hotel Intercontinental video beat down where she had

506
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: already been beaten and she was backing up and she

507
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: tried to hold up She's right handed was holding holding

508
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: her mouth I think, with one hand, the right hand

509
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 2: and holding up her left hand against Sean Comb's like

510
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: she could fight him off, okay. And the the other

511
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: moment was when she was getting beaten and she was

512
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: down on the floor and Combs had a glass, a

513
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: liquor glass held up ready to throw down at her face,

514
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: and she said, can't you see what's happening?

515
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: And nobody did anything. It's just like in the courtroom.

516
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: The jury didn't do anything.

517
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 7: They didn't.

518
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 6: They didn't, Nancy.

519
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 7: It's heartbreaking. People I know who.

520
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 6: Have worked with him, who knew him, many of us

521
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 6: are on a text exchange and they're heartbroken, and a

522
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 6: lot of people are really worried to I don't want

523
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 6: to keep hopping on about this, Nancy, but this is

524
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 6: a very dangerous man.

525
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 7: This is a man who allegedly.

526
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 6: Try to fire bomb the car of somebody that was

527
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 6: dating he's girlfriend, his ex girlfriend. This is a dangerous,

528
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 6: dangerous man. And what that jury has just done has

529
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 6: said it doesn't matter. It's okay. You keep being puffy,

530
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 6: you keep being you, and we will support you. But

531
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 6: let me just say, Nancy, we can't just blame the

532
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 6: jury here. We've got to blame the person that did it.

533
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 6: And that's did he did. He is responsible for all this.

534
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 6: Everything else is a red herring. He's the problem and

535
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 6: he will continue now to.

536
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 7: Be a prople.

537
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: Doctor Cheryl Errett, who is a clinical and forensic psychologist,

538
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: explain the effect this is going to have on not

539
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: only these victims that we heard on the stand, but

540
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: other victims everywhere.

541
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 11: Nancy, Once there is the threat of violence, that power

542
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 11: control tactic shapes everything that happens after that. We have

543
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 11: a jury who heard evidence about a tremendous amount of violence, threats,

544
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 11: threats of blackmail, videotaped assaults that were maintaining the power

545
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 11: and control, and yet they didn't feel that they had

546
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 11: enough evidence to be able to find that what was

547
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 11: happening there was not consensual.

548
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: Trafficking has to.

549
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 11: Do with force, fraud, coercion. Consent is anything, but when

550
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 11: somebody really scary makes you an offer that you cannot

551
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 11: refuse that is not consent. And what I think people

552
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 11: are failing to understand and about the way that the

553
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 11: even the threat of violence shapes behavior is that when

554
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 11: someone does not believe that they can survive a threat

555
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 11: by actually fighting back, they use fawning, They use appeasing,

556
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 11: they use the freeze response. They are trying to placate

557
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 11: the person who is scaring them. And this man certainly

558
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 11: has no shortage of people who were really, really frightened

559
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 11: of him and still are. And I think that these

560
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 11: really normal autonomic nervous system survival responses, fawning, appeasing, the

561
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 11: freeze response, These are things that need to be understood

562
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 11: better by juries, understood better by the public, and even

563
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 11: by survivors themselves.

564
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter, Would you look one more time

565
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: at these celebrations going on outside the courthouse after the

566
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: split verdict was announced.

567
00:31:53,880 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 7: Take a look, thought, Nancy.

568
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 6: I can tell you, as somebody who knows puff those

569
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 6: people standing outside that courts have never met him. They've

570
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 6: never been to his apartment, they've never been on his

571
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 6: private plane. They've never had a text or an email

572
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 6: or a phone call with him I have. He doesn't

573
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 6: care about any of those people, all those people who

574
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 6: have took their time, their energy to go and support

575
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 6: this guy. Let me talk to them directly.

576
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 7: He does not care about you.

577
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 6: If he can treat his girlfriend Cassie the way that

578
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 6: we've seen him treat it on video, this is not testimony,

579
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 6: this is video. If he can treat someone who he's

580
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 6: supposed to love like that, how do you think he

581
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 6: can treat you. He doesn't care about you. You're wasting

582
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 6: your energy on him, And honestly, my friends, stop, he

583
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 6: doesn't care. He's laughing at these people side that Cord has.

584
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 6: He's egging them on, but he doesn't care.

585
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: You know, Rob Sheeter, you speak with so much conviction

586
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: and so much feeling, and that tells me that you

587
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: know something, something you haven't told me.

588
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: Why do you believe this?

589
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: What did you observe to make you say what you

590
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: just said.

591
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 6: I've observed a really selfish person, Nancy. I've observed a

592
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 6: person who doesn't have any shame, who has no sense

593
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 6: of pride, who has no sense of decency. He's a

594
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 6: really bad man, and through his career, through the media,

595
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 6: through his products. He has managed to come us all,

596
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 6: to kid us all into believing he is somebody else. Now,

597
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 6: I hoped that day was coming to an end. In fact,

598
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 6: I could even tell you the day that I thought

599
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 6: it was ending.

600
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 7: It was today.

601
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 6: I'm absolutely punched to my gut, to my stomach to

602
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 6: know that Puffy once again rises. Maybe not like a phoenix,

603
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 6: but justice does not feel as if it has been

604
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 6: sod sheeter.

605
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: Do you know that people aren't flooding the courthouse, the

606
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: judges chambers with letters please don't let him out.

607
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: We're afraid.

608
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: From Cassie Ventura's lawyer to Deonte Nash, so many others

609
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: in fear, just like what you're saying. And we heard

610
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: earlier how this affects people. They saw what happened to

611
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: Kid Cuddy, they saw what happened to Cassie, and now he's.

612
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 4: Going to walk.

613
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

614
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: According to his attorney's quote, his only focus is becoming

615
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: the best version of himself and returning to his family.

616
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: Oh if that were only true. Cannon Leopard change his spots.

617
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: This is what we know about what happened in court.

618
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: Everyone or I sprang each other with baby oil. Outside

619
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: the courthouse and baying and yelling and celebrating.

620
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: Comes goes back into the.

621
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: Courtroom Sydney for the hearing. Right the hearing on is

622
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: there going to be an appeal bond?

623
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 4: Is?

624
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: Comes going to walk out of the courthouse a freeman today.

625
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: During that hearing, Comes briefly tries to raise his hand

626
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: to speak after the judge denies his request for release again.

627
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 2: The judge seemed to ignore the move and instead asks

628
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: the US Assistant Attorney Mariene Comy to respond, and she says, quote,

629
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: he is extremely violent with an extraordinary temper, who has

630
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: shown no remorse.

631
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: And no regret.

632
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: And it makes me think, Sydney, about that fake apology.

633
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep that up and play it for

634
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: you in just a moment, said where he does all

635
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: this apologizing after baiting Cassie, but according to what we

636
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: learned in court and sworn testimony, he continued the violence

637
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: after the apology video. That's what she said, No remorse

638
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: and no regret at all.

639
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, that is definitely what the judge and prosecutors are thinking.

640
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 9: Comy referenced the violent incident with Jane after Colmmes knew

641
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 9: he was already under investigation. The judge referenced the multiple

642
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 9: instances of Colme's trying to reach out to potential witnesses,

643
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 9: trying to sway their opinions of what they might tell

644
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 9: investigators after this investigation began, when Colmes was well aware

645
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 9: it was underway. Judge s hermoney and also referenced Mark

646
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 9: Acmphillo's own closing arguments. You full throatedly told the jury

647
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 9: that there was violence, domestic violence in all of Comb's relationships.

648
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 9: Y'all own that, and it may have helped on some

649
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 9: of these charges. It may have helped with the guilty

650
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 9: not guilty verdict, but it is definitely coming back to

651
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 9: bite him.

652
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: Now, straight out to Lynn Shaw. This also happened in

653
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: the proceedings. This is after Combs tried to raise his

654
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: hand to address the judge directly during the arguments, And

655
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: this is after the split verdict when everybody was celebrating outside.

656
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: Now comes the appeal bond, where the judge is going

657
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: to decide will comes walk free tonight?

658
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: Okay.

659
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 2: The judge looks over at the defense and he says,

660
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: as Sidney just reported.

661
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: Quote you full throatedly. I've never even heard anybody use

662
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: that phrase. But he did.

663
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: You full throatedly in your closing argument told the jury

664
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Speaker 2: there was violent and domestic violence is violence.

665
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: You said this was the case that did have violence.

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Speaker 2: This is the judge talking to Combs as to the

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Speaker 2: basic question of violence. You conceded that in your closing argument.

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Speaker 2: Now throughout this comes is furiously passing notes back and

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Speaker 2: forth to Agnifilo, who is trying to stand there and

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Speaker 2: argue and read Alla Shan comes his notes.

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Speaker 1: Wait for it, Lynn Shaw.

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Speaker 2: Agnifilo responds, I just think we should trust him.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna flee. He just deserves a chance.

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Speaker 8: Lynn, Please let us all get off this dirty diddy,

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Speaker 8: degenerate merry garround that we're all on. How dare that lawyer?

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Speaker 8: How dare he? He's got a wife, he's got a daughter.

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Speaker 8: I believe he's got sisters, a mother, talk like this

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Speaker 8: violence is violence?

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Speaker 1: Trust him.

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Speaker 8: We have seen everything to the contrary, including video evidence

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Speaker 8: of Cassie being beaten. How much more do we need?

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Speaker 8: This goes back to this is one of the worst

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Speaker 8: days here at the Warriors to have all of this video,

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Speaker 8: to hear the way they're talking about victims. Trust him.

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Speaker 8: Trust him. There's no way anybody should trust him. I'm

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Speaker 8: here in New York City and Rob Shooter's correct. We've

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Speaker 8: got these dirty Diddy disciples running around. People should be

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Speaker 8: in fear of this guy. But that brings me to

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Speaker 8: how does he get away with all of this for decades?

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Speaker 1: What about the victims that.

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Speaker 8: I've been up for forty eight hours now, counseling, helping,

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Speaker 8: giving out phone numbers, resources, Come stay with me if

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Speaker 8: you don't want to be alone. What a slap in

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Speaker 8: the face today to all of these victims, survivors of

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Speaker 8: any kind of sexual abuse. And you know what, this

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Speaker 8: is the problem with sex trafficking. Nobody, I'm a broken record.

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Speaker 8: Nobody understands it. Nobody understands what forced for coersion. Nobody

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Speaker 8: understands coersion. And you know what, it is time we

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Speaker 8: change it up. But this is a travesty. What a

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Speaker 8: slap in everybody's face.

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Speaker 2: Sean comes, goes to jail, split verdict, not guilty, en

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Speaker 2: Rico not guilty on two counts of sex trafficking. Guilty

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Speaker 2: on two counts bringing people across state lines to engage

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Speaker 2: in illegal activity, that being prostitution as it relates to

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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura, a victim and Jane not her real name,

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Speaker 2: a victim to Robert Crispin joining me PI, but former

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Speaker 2: beat coop, former special investigator with the Federal Task Force

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Speaker 2: for the US Department of Justice, and on and on,

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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, have you ever been in a case where.

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Speaker 1: The bad guy walks?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 5: My god, Nancy, this brought back. This brought back such

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Speaker 5: a memory of a guy.

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Speaker 10: Who was leaning over the balcony holding two kilas.

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Speaker 5: Of cocaine in a CBS bag, getting ready to drop

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Speaker 5: it on the floor because the Feds were knocking on

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Speaker 5: the front door, and I was covering the back door,

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Speaker 5: and he dropped it and I got it, and I

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Speaker 5: I d'ed him, and we went to the jury and

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Speaker 5: the jury found him not guilty when me, as the

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Speaker 5: Federal DEA Drug agent, watched him drop that bag. And

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Speaker 5: you know why, Nancy, because juries are so unpredictable.

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Speaker 10: You know why we didn't pull his DNA off the bag.

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Speaker 10: But I watched him. I watched him.

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Speaker 5: Drop those kilos of cocaine out of the ground.

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Speaker 10: These juries have a mind of their own.

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Speaker 1: I know how that must have felt.

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Speaker 10: Shame.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, this is a violent crime.

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Speaker 2: Philip debay from what the judge was saying. When Shawn

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Speaker 2: Comes raised his hand trying to speak to the judge

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Speaker 2: while Agniffolo was arguing, the judge acting like he didn't

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Speaker 2: even see him. The judge did note the wide divergence

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Speaker 2: between what the state wants to sentencing and what the

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Speaker 2: defense wants a sentencing, but hearing what the judge said,

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Speaker 2: the judge can't just erase from his mind what he

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Speaker 2: saw on the Cassie beat down video. He cannot erase

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Speaker 2: from his mind what the victim said on the stand.

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Speaker 2: Comes his lawyers appealed his conviction, demanding a federal appeals

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Speaker 2: court overrule the decision and give him immediate release, calling

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Speaker 2: his former girlfriends Cassie Ventira and Jane who went anonymous

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Speaker 2: on the carpet. He denied all claims, but a jury disagreed. Well,

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Speaker 2: Shawn Comes, this release date has been well, Shawncambs release

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Speaker 2: date has jumped up. It's even closer. What's next? I

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Speaker 2: hate to think about it. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,

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Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,