Speaker 1: M It's one fifty six am in the Zone of
Speaker 1: Alienation and you're listening Tonight Call. Hello everybody, and welcome
Speaker 1: to Night Call, a podcast for your strange days and
Speaker 1: lonely nights. I am Molly Lambert and with you here
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles Tess Lynch, and over in New York
Speaker 1: we have Emily Orshida. Hi, guys, Hello, what are you
Speaker 1: doing today? We are going to talk about the new
Speaker 1: black Mirrors and a Chernobyl conspiracy introduced. Yes. Uh, And
Speaker 1: first we are going to talk about just some newsy
Speaker 1: news news. Um you guys, you put this so blind
Speaker 1: item from our problematic fave Crazy Days and Nights about Okay?
Speaker 1: Should I just read this? Um? Okay? The foreign born
Speaker 1: former A List syndicated actress turned A List celebrity has
Speaker 1: an encryption key that was given to her by the
Speaker 1: foreign born infamous celebrity. It will only work upon his death.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I would want to be the one
Speaker 1: who had that key. I wonder if he disappeared for
Speaker 1: several days and couldn't contact anyone, if that would trigger
Speaker 1: it to uh So, this is about Pamela Anderson and
Speaker 1: Juliana sand Allegedly, I take issue. By the way, I
Speaker 1: really think Pamela Anderson an apologies to Pamela Anderson. I
Speaker 1: think she is B list. I do not think she
Speaker 1: is a list. She's a list name record they said,
Speaker 1: they said a list syndicated. Okay, that's it. I really
Speaker 1: feel like she she was a for a long time.
Speaker 1: I think we have to but this is now she
Speaker 1: is a Sange's That's what's so weird. I mean, just
Speaker 1: the whole Pamil and Anderson Julian Assange weird romance. You
Speaker 1: want to call it, I wouldn't want to call. Does
Speaker 1: anybody know the full story about their relationship? Nobody knows.
Speaker 1: That's what makes a mysterious. They were just at a
Speaker 1: party together, you know, and the um what was at
Speaker 1: the at the embassy. Uh, it's so cyberpunk. They met
Speaker 1: in weird rich people circles, which is how all these
Speaker 1: people know each other. But the idea they met in
Speaker 1: like the spa from um from Sexy Beasts, like the
Speaker 1: idea that pam Anderson has some kind of like a
Speaker 1: doomsday key to anything. Oh my god, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a very twenty nineteen. Yeah, we can't help but stand
Speaker 1: I'm afraid. I can't stand it. You got Oh, it's bad.
Speaker 1: I don't approve of her relationship with Julian Assange, but
Speaker 1: I've been I've been forced to clarify several times that
Speaker 1: he is probably a rapist, but he also is maybe
Speaker 1: being held for things that are just about releasing infoe.
Speaker 1: All right. I hesitate to uh promote something by my
Speaker 1: partner slash Bouse on the podcast, but my husband David
Speaker 1: did a video years ago re enacting some friends of
Speaker 1: this filmmaker did a short that was basically a re
Speaker 1: enactment of the time that Julian Assange crashed in their
Speaker 1: house for like a month what was supposed to be
Speaker 1: like a week and then turned into like kept kept
Speaker 1: getting stretched out and stretched out and he basically like
Speaker 1: was doing work on their couch and just like was
Speaker 1: filthy and like left food everywhere. I would like to
Speaker 1: see the crashing staring exactly. Well, that's basically what they
Speaker 1: made and starts David as Julia typecast. When you have
Speaker 1: cool white hair and you know a lot about stuffy
Speaker 1: and can just do like a totally blank affect on you,
Speaker 1: do you have a doomsday key to David? I know
Speaker 1: that's like the downside is that romantic? Is it romantic
Speaker 1: to give someone the doomsdake tremendously better than trust? I
Speaker 1: think that that's like, that's like the great thing about
Speaker 1: being a celebrity, like on the order of a Pamela Anderson.
Speaker 1: Is it like sometimes you can just like find you
Speaker 1: can just trip and fall into a situation where you
Speaker 1: have a doomsday. It's just like her show was a
Speaker 1: v I P. Was that the one where she was
Speaker 1: a secret agent? Love that show, by the way, syndicated
Speaker 1: a list show. She played like a superspy on a
Speaker 1: show that was on television late at night. UM for
Speaker 1: discerning viewers like me, it was a good show, talkings
Speaker 1: type jam. Yeah, it's just it makes sense. Yeah, speaking
Speaker 1: of the dystopian future present more celebrities from the past,
Speaker 1: celebrity dogs from the past, more like guys. I this
Speaker 1: came to us. I put this in the dock after
Speaker 1: it was posted in the Facebook group. So Barbara Streisand
Speaker 1: brought her three dogs who were cloned from her deceased dog,
Speaker 1: to the deceased dog's grave and shared a picture of
Speaker 1: it on social media. Very odd, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be heartwarming. It's amazing, but it is.
Speaker 1: It is weird. It's about what you would expect, a
Speaker 1: bunch of dogs that all look the same. Well, there's
Speaker 1: isn't there like a picture of the dead dogs on
Speaker 1: the grave. Yeah, it's like one of those grays that
Speaker 1: has a photo a little a little circle photo in it. Um.
Speaker 1: And then three triplet dogs sitting on to our sisters ones. Sorry, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, And also we should name them because their
Speaker 1: names are amazing. Scarlet, Violet and Fanny, who were cloned
Speaker 1: from Samantha. Samantha. You know what this is all preparing
Speaker 1: us for is that barber Ship has cloned herself. Clearly,
Speaker 1: I don't think she'd want to be no, so she
Speaker 1: could live on after she dies. Yeah. Um, well we'll
Speaker 1: link to this photo or put it in the show notes,
Speaker 1: which wink wink, you can get if you subscribe to
Speaker 1: our patreon. UM always always looking for an opportunity to
Speaker 1: plug that UM. Also in news this week, guys, First
Speaker 1: of all, a meta comment about this um. Life Science
Speaker 1: is kind of like a bullshit website, right, it's in
Speaker 1: what way every time Molly or tests sends me a
Speaker 1: link from life Science. If I'm at a computer, I
Speaker 1: will like go and search the keywords from the news
Speaker 1: story to see if it's popped up on any other
Speaker 1: like science news website, and I would say, like one
Speaker 1: out of three times it does. Oh yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: mean it's kind of like the Live strong of science aggregator.
Speaker 1: In fact, for a while I was kind of confusing
Speaker 1: them and being like, oh, it's weird to just go
Speaker 1: from like lemonade to help regulate your blood sugar to
Speaker 1: like outer space, and then it's like, no, there're two
Speaker 1: different websites that are largely aggregators. You know, don't don't
Speaker 1: dis the source of the moon minute news. That's true.
Speaker 1: Those things are true. They come from space dot com,
Speaker 1: another reputable science website that everybody trusts. If you work
Speaker 1: at Live Science or if you are if you work
Speaker 1: at a content farm. I follow some of the science
Speaker 1: the content farm scientists at from Life science. Some of
Speaker 1: them are real, but they do. We're so used to
Speaker 1: like the content farm, like the values of a celebrity
Speaker 1: or entertainment driven content farm, because we worked places like that,
Speaker 1: but the science one is such a different game. It's
Speaker 1: like the moon must be the equivalent of the Kardashians. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this is not about the moon though. Um, this is
Speaker 1: about Bigfoot's FBI file turns out the government some hairs,
Speaker 1: that some hairs supposedly belonged to big Foot. That's why
Speaker 1: we read Life Science because it gives us the hard news. Um.
Speaker 1: But it shows you that the FBI took it seriously enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't throw out this. This guy like
Speaker 1: apparently just sent them some some Bigfoot hairs, being like this,
Speaker 1: these are hairs that came from Bigfoot, and they didn't
Speaker 1: throw them out. So they were like, what a coup.
Speaker 1: They were like, we must keep these in case Bigfoot
Speaker 1: kills again, which he obviously well kills again. They were
Speaker 1: dear hair is correct. It was not able to compare
Speaker 1: the hair with that of any known creature on this
Speaker 1: continent I'm reading here. Unfortunately, for Bigfoot hunters, the results
Speaker 1: weren't what they may have hoped. In seven, the lab
Speaker 1: examined the fifteen hairs. A final letter from Cochrane, addressed
Speaker 1: to Howard S. Curtis, Executive Vice president of the a
Speaker 1: a S, read like this, Dear Mr Curtis, the hair
Speaker 1: is which you recently delivered to the FBI laboratory on
Speaker 1: behalf of the Bigfoot Information Center and exhibition have been
Speaker 1: examined by transmitted incident light microscopy. Okay. Also, the hairs
Speaker 1: were compared directly with hairs of known origin under a
Speaker 1: comparison microscope. It was concluded as a result of these
Speaker 1: examinations that the hairs are of dear family origin. The
Speaker 1: hair example you submiss being returned. So for for most
Speaker 1: of the article they were like the FBI, I was
Speaker 1: taking it very seriously with these big foots. That's the
Speaker 1: problem with life science. Though they buried the lead. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they had that science in there at the end. Um.
Speaker 1: The letter really reads like a rejection letter from like
Speaker 1: a literary magazine. That what they would say, right right, okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: Chloy is nodding his head because he agrees they are
Speaker 1: trying to cover up dear family origin. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: if Bigfoot were a giant like you know, bear crossed
Speaker 1: with and ape crossed to the deer, you know, it
Speaker 1: would make sense he wants to have the like the
Speaker 1: slick short hair so it can easily wick away moisture,
Speaker 1: doesn't show him down. Yeah, there's probably different types of
Speaker 1: fur for different biomas. Speaking of biomas, Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: world has Chernobyl fever right now. UM, I feel like
Speaker 1: we have not gotten into that. I was talking, I
Speaker 1: was talking to you guys last week, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to watch Chernobyl. Everybody says it's so great,
Speaker 1: but I'm just like not in the head space to
Speaker 1: watch a bunch of people puking from um from radiation poisoning.
Speaker 1: Oh you got the puke warning, because I was going
Speaker 1: to say, I watched the first one and I'm going
Speaker 1: to puke right now, just like anyone might do before
Speaker 1: they watched something about Chernobyl, like make a big old
Speaker 1: plate of food and sit down to watch Ernom. You
Speaker 1: just can't do that, You can't. I did the first
Speaker 1: time I watched Dexter, and I was like, really regretting
Speaker 1: it exactly. Oh yeah, you will. You would regret it
Speaker 1: even more. With Chernobyl. I had a really hard time.
Speaker 1: I watched the first one, and I was telling Molly
Speaker 1: before we started recording that, as with anything that's been
Speaker 1: so heralded by critics, um, the last example of this
Speaker 1: being Horace and Pete, which, as everyone knows, you're right,
Speaker 1: yeah right, So I'm on the right side of history
Speaker 1: with that one. But it was hard because I was, like,
Speaker 1: everyone loves it, let's give it a shot. And I
Speaker 1: know that there have been a bunch of articles explaining
Speaker 1: why none of the actors are using Russian accents, um,
Speaker 1: but I have a problem with it. I I it's
Speaker 1: like a mental block using British accents that will not
Speaker 1: use they and and it was a decision that makes
Speaker 1: sense because it came off as kind of cartoonish. It
Speaker 1: was distracting when they were trying the Russian accents. Or
Speaker 1: you could just have them have like regular Russian acts.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have us Russian accented English. It
Speaker 1: just to me, it was like so so strange, and
Speaker 1: it took me out of it and I just couldn't
Speaker 1: plow forth. I know that eventually that's the kind of
Speaker 1: thing that you get used to you. The finale apparently
Speaker 1: leans really heavy into the kind of Russia Gate. No.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the finale yet, but your friend Sarah
Speaker 1: was saying that, and I could see how it would
Speaker 1: go that way. I mean, it's it's it's very it's
Speaker 1: like on the nose from them. Maybe we'll get to
Speaker 1: it later at some point. The point is that a
Speaker 1: lot of people have been into Chernobyl, so much so
Speaker 1: that there is now an influx of tourism at Chernobyl,
Speaker 1: people planning exotic holidays to side of a giant Yeah,
Speaker 1: a side of a giant nuclear accident. Um. And we
Speaker 1: happened to know somebody who did go to Chernobyl as
Speaker 1: a tourist before it was cool, just before. She was
Speaker 1: a trendsetter before the show made it spike in popularity.
Speaker 1: And luckily she called it in with some a tale,
Speaker 1: a tale from the ground. This is a I'm a
Speaker 1: film critic on an odal sense of the beloved back behind.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you guys about the time
Speaker 1: I took a day told to share Noble. This was
Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen. It was two years after
Speaker 1: Ukraine had their one revolution where like open Hunka people
Speaker 1: got killed. And let me just start by giving like
Speaker 1: the quickest most passionate shout out to visiting Kias. It's
Speaker 1: like if the city have to go, if you want
Speaker 1: to go to Chernoble and you have is the greatest
Speaker 1: pus I've ever been on planet, by the way, like
Speaker 1: you meet um right outside the squarer at the point
Speaker 1: of evolution was outside of a McDonald's. So I got
Speaker 1: in the two of us with a bunch of people
Speaker 1: and we drove a couple of hours out to tripat
Speaker 1: to sharn Noble Wall that well that happens. And in
Speaker 1: our tour of us, the guy who was this like
Speaker 1: young teenager, really really really really lovely, always making these
Speaker 1: jokes like he would playing an animals in Chernoble when
Speaker 1: he would go you see that, Doug, I used to
Speaker 1: be a chat that's the sort of humor. And he
Speaker 1: was also playing stuff like the Shared Noble Diaries, that
Speaker 1: horror film in the van, Oh my god, you're driving snoble.
Speaker 1: So he walks around it out with like this guy
Speaker 1: your counter kind of telling you wrote to stuff and
Speaker 1: he tells you like basically, try to keep off the dirt,
Speaker 1: try to walk on this cument. You're more or less fine.
Speaker 1: And the kind of beings shows you're on the tour,
Speaker 1: or like you go to villages where there's a couple
Speaker 1: of people still like stubborn by living in the woods.
Speaker 1: You go to this river where like the catfish in
Speaker 1: the river which just drinking agin huge and my friends
Speaker 1: I went with my best friend Eva Anderson, and she
Speaker 1: has to bring all the bars. She was like feeding
Speaker 1: the nuclear catfish ranola bars and they're just sucking, fighting
Speaker 1: and killing for it um. And then you kind of
Speaker 1: realize as you're going through that, Yeah, like the true
Speaker 1: horror of cher Noble, isn't that a bunch of people
Speaker 1: did in the explosion, which, to be honest, I kind
Speaker 1: of dumb. I always thought that's how it was until
Speaker 1: I was actually there, and you kind of getting annoyed
Speaker 1: a little bit because there's all these artful stagings where photographs.
Speaker 1: Either you go to like the old kindergarten and there's
Speaker 1: all these bump beds and like artful blackened daity dolls
Speaker 1: left on these bump beds, and you're like, actually, kids
Speaker 1: didn't really sleep here. Honestly, it didn't really happen because
Speaker 1: the explosion happened before the town took off. You're a
Speaker 1: little bit like, al right, guys, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: very instagram summer, but they just kind of letting, like
Speaker 1: in the old schools and the old buildings of Pripyat,
Speaker 1: where you're like, I walked into a gym and there
Speaker 1: are all these glass bricks in the gymnasium and trip
Speaker 1: yet that was destroyed and to get the picture of
Speaker 1: his glass bricks, I climbed through like a broken shot.
Speaker 1: I guess my question to you the night called listeners
Speaker 1: is what is the weirdest place that you have been?
Speaker 1: And secondary what'd you go back? I'm gonna say that
Speaker 1: really quick. Kazakhstan, I don't know Romans to be seen.
Speaker 1: I would buy an apartment there for to die. Okay,
Speaker 1: where do I go? WHOA? Amy? That was such a
Speaker 1: good night call. Thank you so us on a journey. Um,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Amy for calling in. Amy's a
Speaker 1: great film critic. She has a couple of podcasts. She
Speaker 1: hosts a podcast called Zoom. She also hosts a podcast
Speaker 1: called Unspoiled on Earwolves. So she's a she's a power podcaster. Um,
Speaker 1: but you're a great adventurer. Well she gets to go
Speaker 1: the thing about like she goes on all these really
Speaker 1: ex aotic um film festival trips, which is I think
Speaker 1: part of being uh like a freelance critic. Like I
Speaker 1: couldn't go to a lot of these places where they
Speaker 1: send you there and they like give you the trip
Speaker 1: and everything. But like Amy would always take him up
Speaker 1: on it. I was always so jealous because I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's like, so's such a cool way to see the
Speaker 1: world as by going to the film festivals of the
Speaker 1: world and like crazy out of the way places that
Speaker 1: you would never also goes places just not for film festivals.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for fun. She is the most adventurous person
Speaker 1: I've ever known, which is why it was not super
Speaker 1: surprising she went to Chernobyl. Can I just jump in
Speaker 1: really fast to remind you guys that I wrote about
Speaker 1: the Chernobyl Diaries for grant Land. It was like I
Speaker 1: was nine months pregnant and they were like, go see
Speaker 1: the Chernobyl Diaries and I was like, okay. So it
Speaker 1: was horrible. It was totally bleak and boring and depressing
Speaker 1: and awful, and I was so nervous I was going
Speaker 1: to go into labor and that that would somehow I
Speaker 1: call her my child's whole life. But instead I was
Speaker 1: very overdue and my mom saw a raised her head
Speaker 1: while she was pregnant with me. Oh, of course a
Speaker 1: monstol ran ron the film Um Anyway, so Amy wanted
Speaker 1: to know what were the most uh, I guess what's
Speaker 1: the word you would use disturbing. Maybe dystopian, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: maybe not exactly a place that feels like a Bucolic getaway.
Speaker 1: It's interesting what she was saying to that they staged
Speaker 1: the area to be stor what you imagine from just stupid.
Speaker 1: Like that's a little disappointing to me. Wait, but I
Speaker 1: want to know what's the what's the most dystopian or
Speaker 1: weirdest place you guys have been and when you go back. Um,
Speaker 1: I've been to Pompeii. UM. I think though, actually like
Speaker 1: the most sort of intriguing place or that it was
Speaker 1: all during the same trip and long trip to Italy
Speaker 1: when I was in high school. Um is like the
Speaker 1: part of Rome that was like Muslini's neighborhood, like the
Speaker 1: super brutalist um like Italo futurist um neighborhood, where like
Speaker 1: all of them just have this total like it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like I feel, like I said this before, a
Speaker 1: fascist architecture is like a problematic fave of mine. I like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can feel like brutalism. I was just
Speaker 1: talking about fascism is camp it is and I was
Speaker 1: just saying, like they this is so to make to
Speaker 1: take it really serious for a second. But people staging
Speaker 1: like fun influence or photos or whatever in a place
Speaker 1: that was like destroyed by something really fucked up or
Speaker 1: like had something really fucked up happened. It feels like
Speaker 1: we're so beyond the pale with that already. You know,
Speaker 1: like it's going to happen anyway, and that's like if
Speaker 1: it helps bring tourism back to this area that's been
Speaker 1: so fucked over. But I don't know how tourism is, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: what what the doctor orders. But but the thing about
Speaker 1: the a you are, which is the neighborhood and the
Speaker 1: Oscars of Rome, is like it's just a normal neighborhood.
Speaker 1: It's just like the most bizarre landscape to put like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it still has like you know, people have
Speaker 1: like laundry lines hanging out their windows, and it's just
Speaker 1: like normal, except all the buildings look like they were
Speaker 1: rendered in a computer. Um so this is a really
Speaker 1: weird clash of textures and stuff that I think is
Speaker 1: like kind of that's how I feel about those weird
Speaker 1: condo blocks they put everywhere here. Now, I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: fascist brutalism, fascist twee brutalism, and like the paint will
Speaker 1: wear off and then it'll just be brutalism. Can I
Speaker 1: tell you the worst place I've ever been? Worst? I
Speaker 1: think I've talked about this before is Onion Town. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's in Duchess County, I think, um New York. And
Speaker 1: it is a community of people who are very hostile
Speaker 1: to outsiders. So it's like the place from making a murderer.
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, but then there was there was someone
Speaker 1: went in and took a video driving through Onion Town
Speaker 1: and then visitors were attacked and stuff that I grew
Speaker 1: up not far. Yeah, that was the scariest place and
Speaker 1: I would never go back because also because like I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I feel bad for them. I don't
Speaker 1: want to get in a chainsaw maska an Onion Town
Speaker 1: Chainsaw massacre. I thought you were talking about that place.
Speaker 1: That town like about an hour outside of l A.
Speaker 1: That like smells horrible, but it's where all the onions
Speaker 1: come from. Oh, I don't know about that. What it's
Speaker 1: on the in the five I'm forgetting. I'm blanking on
Speaker 1: the name. But it's like by Los Banos. It's like
Speaker 1: it smells terrible. It smells like cou shit like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Molly, what was your terrible place? My it's
Speaker 1: not terrible. I mean it is terrible, but it's also
Speaker 1: like interesting weird. Uh. Which is jazz Land, which I
Speaker 1: also I think wrote about for Grantland once. It was
Speaker 1: where they filmed Jurassic World. But it's an abandoned six
Speaker 1: flags in New Orleans that got destroyed by Hurricane Katrina
Speaker 1: and then just went back to nature, so it's totally
Speaker 1: just a swa ump now and it is really it's
Speaker 1: like sort of the things you see in the Churnable pictures.
Speaker 1: It's like a giant fire stroll with like you know,
Speaker 1: vines growing all over it. Um. But they started using
Speaker 1: it for filming because they filmed so uch stuff in
Speaker 1: Louisiana now and they, I guess make it possible to
Speaker 1: film there, but it still seems terrifying to me because
Speaker 1: it's literally covered in snakes and alligators. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the abandoned theme park thing is like good, like the
Speaker 1: Spree Park in Berlin. Yeah, there was like also on
Speaker 1: a list. We talked about the dome homes last week.
Speaker 1: That was like on a list, But I found that
Speaker 1: on a list that also had the Spree Park on
Speaker 1: it because it's like it's like beautiful doctor and it's
Speaker 1: like and like also it got shut down because the
Speaker 1: owners like tried to smuggle like some insane amount of
Speaker 1: cocaine into Germany or it's like one of these insane stories.
Speaker 1: I think things like that. It gives you a glimpse
Speaker 1: of the post human future. And that's why it's not
Speaker 1: just depressing, because you're like, oh, actually, like things grew
Speaker 1: back here and uh yeah, the six flags yesterday here
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles almost fire um is suddenly very very hot.
Speaker 1: It became likerees, can I tell you guys briefly about
Speaker 1: a Chernobyl conspiracy that I learned about from Amy who
Speaker 1: learned about it from the film festival. So there's a
Speaker 1: thing in the Chernobyl area in the city that I
Speaker 1: can't say the name of correctly that is like a
Speaker 1: giant radio transmitter in the you know water body of
Speaker 1: water um that was supposed to either send out or
Speaker 1: block like secret radio signals for the Russians um. And
Speaker 1: it's called the Russian Woodpecker by everybody who I don't
Speaker 1: know if that was the nickname they were given or
Speaker 1: if it's a colloquialism. But there is a conpiracy theory
Speaker 1: among the Ukrainians who live around Chernoble, and there's a
Speaker 1: documentary about it called the Russian Woodpecker, where the conspirec
Speaker 1: is basically that the Russians, like did did the Chernobyl
Speaker 1: meltdown on purpose in order to cover up that the
Speaker 1: Russian woodpecker was not working correctly or had not worked.
Speaker 1: Can I briefly say that? So this was is technically
Speaker 1: called the Douga or Doja radar. It was called the
Speaker 1: Russian woodpecker because it would interrupt radio broadcast with a tap,
Speaker 1: a loud tapping noise that sounded like a woodpecker, and
Speaker 1: so it interrupted like all sorts of different kinds of
Speaker 1: radio broadcast broadcasts. So people were just kind of random
Speaker 1: lease since just subjected to this tap tap tap tap tap.
Speaker 1: And so when they started talking about it, they started
Speaker 1: coming up with conspiracy theories about what it could bend. Control.
Speaker 1: Weather Control supposed a picture of it too. It is
Speaker 1: like this giant, sort of weird monolith in the water.
Speaker 1: It's very weird looking. It looks like a total alien structure.
Speaker 1: Um the documentary the theory is not true. It's sort
Speaker 1: of a nine eleven conspiracy parallel. It's like it's it's
Speaker 1: like a Chernobyl was an inside job conspiracy. It's turn
Speaker 1: was an inside job so that the Russians could sunk
Speaker 1: over the Ukrainians because they don't care about the Ukrainians
Speaker 1: and they needed someone to blame for the thing not working.
Speaker 1: But the documentary, which I haven't seen yet but Amy said,
Speaker 1: is great. Apparently it's just really interesting because it follows
Speaker 1: a guy who believes this to be true, and it
Speaker 1: gets just into sort of the history of relations between
Speaker 1: Russia and the Ukraine and how fucked up it is.
Speaker 1: So they're like, the Ukrainians do have a lot of
Speaker 1: resentment towards the Russian government for like how they were treated, um,
Speaker 1: and there is a lot of weird, interesting stuff going
Speaker 1: on under the surface. Everybody flew to England this week,
Speaker 1: flew to England. We didn't need to fly to England,
Speaker 1: but we still flew to England for old time's sake.
Speaker 1: For anyone who doesn't know why we say that, it's
Speaker 1: because when we talked about Black Mirror many years ago,
Speaker 1: was not available to be wanting in the US before
Speaker 1: to go on a Russian UH satellite service. She used
Speaker 1: to fly to England, but now we just reminisce about
Speaker 1: our flights to England and watch it in the US. Um.
Speaker 1: But you old Netflix. We love Netflix so much. All
Speaker 1: hail our leader netflce um. But yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like I wanted to talk about these new episodes
Speaker 1: with you guys because for old times sake, because we
Speaker 1: always used to talk about Black Mirror and the hoodies days.
Speaker 1: Also because I think that these are pretty good. I
Speaker 1: think we all do love that. Yeah, I've been kind
Speaker 1: of out on on the Netflix era of Black Mirrors.
Speaker 1: I didn't even watch Bandersnatch, just because I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just felt like such a stunt and I just
Speaker 1: I did not see how I was going to have
Speaker 1: a good time watching it. Um. I think that a
Speaker 1: lot of the I feel like a lot of the
Speaker 1: Netflix once have been kind of a like they've felt
Speaker 1: like fan fiction. Like, Yeah, I've just been a little
Speaker 1: bit out on the Netflix are was with a couple
Speaker 1: of exceptions, but a lot of them kind of just
Speaker 1: felt like kind of rushed fan fick or like a
Speaker 1: kind of not as interesting idea of of of what
Speaker 1: Black Mirror ought to be or at least what it
Speaker 1: was for those first two um UK only seasons, and
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I was not a fan of
Speaker 1: stuff like nose Dive or it's just like gods were
Speaker 1: so sucked into the rating system on everything would have
Speaker 1: the rating system was all of society. The show can
Speaker 1: do that kind of maximalism, like let's blow up like
Speaker 1: one one aspect of modern living and imagine if it
Speaker 1: was like truly everything, like fifteen million merrits. The one
Speaker 1: with the bikes is one of my favorite Black Mirrors,
Speaker 1: but I think that these I think the Black Mirror
Speaker 1: is best is sort of just like it's kind of
Speaker 1: like I was described as to somebody else, it's like
Speaker 1: a can opener. Like black mirror is like a tool
Speaker 1: that like lets you access the discussion about something through fiction,
Speaker 1: you know, like which should be like all speculative fiction.
Speaker 1: But I think the Black Mirror tends to do it
Speaker 1: particularly well with like contemporary issues, and it's just become
Speaker 1: like cool to rag on it because or like make
Speaker 1: it like talk about it like it's more alarmost than
Speaker 1: it is um or really like a sign like a
Speaker 1: really schooldy tone to it that I don't think cool.
Speaker 1: I don't understand people who are too cool for Black Mirror.
Speaker 1: Before we start talking about Black Mirror, we would like
Speaker 1: to issue a stern warning that if you have not
Speaker 1: watched the three new episodes that are available in Netflix now,
Speaker 1: please don't listen to this next segment until you have.
Speaker 1: There will be tons of very serious spoilers, and we
Speaker 1: don't want you to get mad at us. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I've been super into almost all of the Black Mirrors,
Speaker 1: even the ones that I didn't like that much, and
Speaker 1: I really actually liked Nose Dive a lot, but I
Speaker 1: think Crocodial may have been like some of the really
Speaker 1: big ones have been hard to ones. It's just like punishing,
Speaker 1: like that's that's when people make fun of Black Mirror
Speaker 1: are thinking of those episodes, and I think those are
Speaker 1: the least and it was good about these. It was
Speaker 1: like he was responding to the criticism and being like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make like two of them are fun
Speaker 1: and one of them is not as fun, and it's
Speaker 1: probably the least good one. I well, we should say
Speaker 1: that first thought, there are three in this season because
Speaker 1: Bandersnatch took so much time and the three are Striking Vipers,
Speaker 1: um Smitherens and Rachel Jack and Ashley two, which we
Speaker 1: briefly talked about last week because Molly had seen it. Um,
Speaker 1: we've all seen it. I did not like smith Reens,
Speaker 1: which I believe was also the longest one, and it
Speaker 1: is very yeah, and the only one of the only
Speaker 1: Black Mirrors, if not the only one that was not
Speaker 1: set in the present or very near future. Instead it
Speaker 1: was set one year in the past, and it had
Speaker 1: instead of kind of being in this like weird geo,
Speaker 1: you know, geographic location that doesn't quite exist and seems
Speaker 1: like you threw a bunch of places in a blender,
Speaker 1: it was set in London, um, and I I felt
Speaker 1: like that was more on the kind of preachy, Like
Speaker 1: it was preachy. It's kind of like a p s
Speaker 1: A about don't text nder see, but had it that
Speaker 1: way at all. I have to say the performance by
Speaker 1: Andrew Scott was good. Ended up enjoying it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a really incredible performance. My husband was comparing it to
Speaker 1: Andrew crenanen um in Versachi. He was like, it's just
Speaker 1: so like explosive and natural and like he has such
Speaker 1: a huge range in it. It's he really like drives
Speaker 1: it and propels it, so it's still really good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the performance is what helps it for me,
Speaker 1: helps it not just be a p s A about
Speaker 1: not texting and driving because you don't you don't get
Speaker 1: that's a bit of a spoiler. You don't realize that
Speaker 1: that's sort of like been the place where his life
Speaker 1: went off the rails until sort of late is that
Speaker 1: he was in a texting and driving accident and his
Speaker 1: fiance was killed in it. This guy who's holding an
Speaker 1: intern from a Twitter like company, like he's basically yeah,
Speaker 1: he's holding a Twitter in turn a hostage. He's an
Speaker 1: Uber driver and he drives out to the country with
Speaker 1: this kid and is just holding the hostage until I
Speaker 1: can talk to Jack essentially played to for grace Um
Speaker 1: on the phone. I think smitherens for me because of that,
Speaker 1: Like very it almost felt like a kind of palate cleanser,
Speaker 1: which is a weird thing to say, because it was
Speaker 1: like a very dark and kind of rough hour plus,
Speaker 1: but it felt like such a return back to like
Speaker 1: very contemporary concerns, like it wasn't this big, like what
Speaker 1: if we were all on stationary bikes that we had
Speaker 1: to bike on so that we could be on American
Speaker 1: I like, it was just such a simple idea, and
Speaker 1: I think it really reflected how people feel now about
Speaker 1: technology and how they feel about people who have all
Speaker 1: the power that a person like a Mark Zuckerberg or
Speaker 1: Jack Dorsey have and that frustration and like kind of
Speaker 1: just feeling like this bug like under the foot of
Speaker 1: these tech giants. They just like have this all like
Speaker 1: enormous power they can wield. That felt incredibly real and
Speaker 1: human to me. So I liked it for that. Um,
Speaker 1: it is too long, but I thought that was really
Speaker 1: well done. Also another toe for Grace performance as a
Speaker 1: shitty douche bag. You know, I was saying, like David
Speaker 1: Duke and Jack Dorsey and under the Silver late and
Speaker 1: and the silver like too. Yeah. Yeah, he's played He's
Speaker 1: played a lot of like just sort of hapless but
Speaker 1: awful people like I think Toper Grace brings such an
Speaker 1: accessibility to his characters. Maybe that's why he that's what's
Speaker 1: horrifying about the performance, and is so like the moment
Speaker 1: where he's like look, I didn't like he just has
Speaker 1: the Zuckerberg line of like look, I just invented this
Speaker 1: in a dorm room, Like I didn't think it would
Speaker 1: be all this thing. It's totally under control, and it's
Speaker 1: like you want to feel like sorry for him for
Speaker 1: a second, then you're like, shut up. It's just so
Speaker 1: hapless that he's like the last person that you would
Speaker 1: want in control of anything, and obviously like he feels overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: They look at it. They all look like what you guys,
Speaker 1: you could punch out. Yeah. Um, I have to say
Speaker 1: my favorite of the three episodes was Striking Vipers um,
Speaker 1: which is about two best friends or good friends I guess,
Speaker 1: who played video games together and then end up kind
Speaker 1: of in a romantic entanglement via virtual reality on a
Speaker 1: Mortal Kombat type game. Yes, um, their avatars have sex,
Speaker 1: but then in real life they are not attracted to
Speaker 1: each other. And um, one of them, Anthony Mackie, has
Speaker 1: a wife and child and you know he feels very conflicted. Uh.
Speaker 1: I thought it was such a great portrayal of virtual relationships, um,
Speaker 1: and how those sometimes exist only on the virtual plane
Speaker 1: and don't transcend that at all. Uh. And I thought
Speaker 1: it was like a really nuanced handling of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Anthony is so good she appreciate pain and gain. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: taking everybody. And this was such a different kind of
Speaker 1: performance for him. It was so he's so believably depressed,
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know he. I think this
Speaker 1: has been one that I have thought about more than
Speaker 1: most other Black Mirror episodes, even ones that I really
Speaker 1: like a lot, Like this one was really stuck in
Speaker 1: my mind. And I think it's also funny. It's funny,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I want the I want the Mortal
Speaker 1: Kombat asked game where there's an option to just kiss
Speaker 1: like that please, I would like to play that. Um.
Speaker 1: But the response to it, like there's been like a
Speaker 1: totally like homophobic or like like gay panicky type response
Speaker 1: to have, Like oh when your friend says like you
Speaker 1: wanted game like and you freak out and it's that
Speaker 1: that that gift of like Jordan Peel sweating like that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It's just like that kind of ship.
Speaker 1: And I think like there have been some points made
Speaker 1: by people that it's like, why can't they just be
Speaker 1: gay together? Why does it have to do this thing
Speaker 1: that they like, I don't know that you fit into
Speaker 1: your you have like a hall pass or something for
Speaker 1: it but I don't know. I think it's such an
Speaker 1: interesting question of like, yeah, I thought it was about
Speaker 1: future sexuality. Yeah, it's like new it's a totally new things, right.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's about people who can't even like
Speaker 1: they don't know how to ualify it because it's like
Speaker 1: not something that exists in real life at all. It
Speaker 1: was sort of like, I feel like you talked about
Speaker 1: this before on the show about how the Matrix, written
Speaker 1: by the Witch House kis sort of as an exploration
Speaker 1: of like identity in virtual reality. Uh, maybe more about
Speaker 1: how that affects identity in real life. This is just
Speaker 1: about like you can do whatever you want in virtual
Speaker 1: reality but doesn't count well. I was talking with our
Speaker 1: l A producer Roy about this because he is a
Speaker 1: virtual reality person who knows a lot about it, and
Speaker 1: he was like, I didn't know. I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: it was very realistic, And I thought my take on
Speaker 1: it was that it was a way to show relationships
Speaker 1: that forum online usually through pros like message boards, emails,
Speaker 1: but because there's no real way to show that dramatically
Speaker 1: or to like make that, you know, theatrical and interesting
Speaker 1: to watch, that, they decided to use VR like street
Speaker 1: fighting games, because that's you know, that's kind of like
Speaker 1: a more theatrical presentation of just how relationships form in
Speaker 1: this kind of like disembodied world. Yeah, and it can't
Speaker 1: be them because it's not that you're they're even attracted
Speaker 1: to each other physically. It's like, but if you kissed
Speaker 1: an Immortal Kombat game, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah. And
Speaker 1: it reminds me of people I know have like had
Speaker 1: like you know, long distance flirtations or something with something
Speaker 1: that they only email with, that they only the only
Speaker 1: text with or or or face time with or whatever,
Speaker 1: and like how there's always something different about it when
Speaker 1: you're in person, and sometimes that's it's still there and
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not. And it's like like this is just
Speaker 1: like a heightened version of that. It's like the heightened
Speaker 1: intimacy of talking to people online, which can totally be false.
Speaker 1: Also you feel like you know somebody from interacting online,
Speaker 1: but you don't. Well, I think that I would say
Speaker 1: that this kind of posits that it's not false, but
Speaker 1: that it's different, like that they're you know, personas are
Speaker 1: no less real, but that they just don't exist in
Speaker 1: a physical sense, and that a person can have an
Speaker 1: avatar that is them but nothing like their physical because
Speaker 1: and the enjoyment is totally real. Yeah, and it and
Speaker 1: it doesn't condemn it. That's what also made it good
Speaker 1: if not it didn't at the end to be like
Speaker 1: everybody fucked up and it's a terrible person and horrible
Speaker 1: things are going to happen to them, which is what
Speaker 1: you expect from a black mirror sometimes. Uh, it sort
Speaker 1: of had like a happy ending where well, it just
Speaker 1: says that you're allowed to have both lives, that that
Speaker 1: both your online life and your real life can be
Speaker 1: can can coexist if you balance them. Well, the question is,
Speaker 1: you know, either like if you completely block it out,
Speaker 1: then are you denying yourself pleasure? But if you completely
Speaker 1: commit to being online all the time, then you know,
Speaker 1: can you really be happy? And so if you can
Speaker 1: find a balance, which is like obviously a real issue
Speaker 1: that we all kind of face, it's impossible to find.
Speaker 1: But if you can, is it possible to have people
Speaker 1: kind of accept that as as a healthy choice for lifestyle.
Speaker 1: I think the one reason it kind of I thought
Speaker 1: at the end was a little bit tragic. It's just
Speaker 1: because like both of them, at different points, you know,
Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that they've never had anything that felt
Speaker 1: this good, you know, and no relationship, no, you know,
Speaker 1: intimacy has ever felt as good as making out as
Speaker 1: Mortal Kombat characters. Um, but is that also like the
Speaker 1: cheating high Like is it just maybe but doing something taboo?
Speaker 1: It's like people, because there was also it seemed like
Speaker 1: it was a little bit going into the like is
Speaker 1: it cheating to like pay a cam girl or whatever?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I mean, I don't know, it's interesting,
Speaker 1: that's all. I was. Good. Yeah, again, like I'm still
Speaker 1: thinking about this one. I think I think it's become
Speaker 1: like a punchline really quickly ever since it came out.
Speaker 1: But I think it's like one of the most kind
Speaker 1: of thought provoking. Well, it's also the best troll on
Speaker 1: gamers the world. We love Charlie Brooker, uh, because it's
Speaker 1: perfect video games. He he's a total gamer. That's he
Speaker 1: was like, here's the subtext of all of the rest
Speaker 1: of every wrestling game, of course, and you know fighting game.
Speaker 1: The last one is is the one that we discussed briefly,
Speaker 1: the Rachel Jack and Ashley too, the the Miley Cyrus one,
Speaker 1: as it will probably be known more commonly. Um, this
Speaker 1: is probably my least favorite of the three of them,
Speaker 1: but I still thought it was like pretty silly and fun.
Speaker 1: I didn't hate it. It was just like deeply silly.
Speaker 1: I loved it. You said it was like a show
Speaker 1: show Mega. Yeah, I mean all this, like all the
Speaker 1: hijinks of it and like driving around a car that
Speaker 1: looks like a mouse. So the rescue of your favorite
Speaker 1: pop star is like something that would happen on sailor Moon,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and some of that stuff too. I
Speaker 1: was like, I feel like whenever we complained about like
Speaker 1: what if stranger things was just about like some girls
Speaker 1: going on adventures, you know. I was like, oh, girls
Speaker 1: going on an adventure? Um, And I just feel like
Speaker 1: things are so depressing in the world, Like I was
Speaker 1: just expecting something so bad to happened. Oh, it was
Speaker 1: said there were many kind of avenues it could have.
Speaker 1: Was waiting for something horrible to happen, and then when
Speaker 1: it didn't, I totally was so happy and well. As
Speaker 1: soon as you see teenagers in technology together, especially in
Speaker 1: Black Mirror, you feel like you know where it's going.
Speaker 1: But the tone is always it's like suspenseful suspenseful and
Speaker 1: and the fact that you know, artificial intelligence and like
Speaker 1: a pop star. I mean all of that kind of
Speaker 1: the free Brittany movement really being tied to this episode
Speaker 1: of Black Mirror and having the timing be kind of strange,
Speaker 1: say like do a free Britney shout out at a
Speaker 1: show or was that somebody else? Oh? Did she? I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I mean free Brittany. Free Brittany. For sure.
Speaker 1: We waffled on this, but now we can say now
Speaker 1: that Brittaney's in the Free Brittaney movement. I think it
Speaker 1: was just like this is what I said to somebody
Speaker 1: because I was like, to me, it was a little
Speaker 1: bit like Sandypero, where it was like, maybe it is
Speaker 1: sort of like an escapist fantasy, but like that's what
Speaker 1: we need sometimes. You know, you only ever see like
Speaker 1: tragic lesbian relationships and TV shows. To have an episode
Speaker 1: where it like and happily, it just felt really good.
Speaker 1: And then I felt the same way about this. I
Speaker 1: was like, you only ever see like the pop star
Speaker 1: like self destructing or horrible things happen, just to see
Speaker 1: them escape. It was like very cathartic and I mean nice.
Speaker 1: I thought that I thought the part that I think
Speaker 1: the second half is where it gets like it just
Speaker 1: becomes like high camp for me, and it's like enjoyable,
Speaker 1: but also I kind of disengage a little bit the
Speaker 1: first half where she where Rachel has the UM has
Speaker 1: the Ashley to like you know, Amazon Echo type device,
Speaker 1: and it's feeding her all this you know positive you
Speaker 1: can do it um like if you believe in yourself
Speaker 1: type messaging and basically convinces her to enter this talent
Speaker 1: show UM dancing to an Ashley Too song, which is
Speaker 1: of course disastrous. That I thought was interesting. I thought,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of taking empowerment rhetoric type thing and
Speaker 1: like turning that into like a personal advisor for you
Speaker 1: if you're a child, UM like embodying and that, which
Speaker 1: is like totally what those songs are. Ye I tell
Speaker 1: you what Hannah Montana was all songs like that. It's
Speaker 1: just so funny you can pitch shift a song and
Speaker 1: do a major a totally different song. So that's to me.
Speaker 1: What also made it work so well is that it
Speaker 1: is a hit on a roll. Is the summer hit,
Speaker 1: the night Call summerhead. We should just say for anyone
Speaker 1: who didn't who missed this discussion last week or hasn't
Speaker 1: seen the episode, and also if you haven't seen these episodes, again,
Speaker 1: I apologize for spoiling. But this was Had like a
Speaker 1: hole by nine inch nails turned into I'm on a
Speaker 1: roll achieving my goal roll achieving. Doesn't it start up?
Speaker 1: I'm says. I think she says had like a hole
Speaker 1: because I thought about it. I saw the episode early
Speaker 1: and then I like, I couldn't talk about it with anybody,
Speaker 1: and it was all I wanted to talk about, especially
Speaker 1: that specifics like but just like, I'm so like, it's
Speaker 1: the cadence of it is so off. It's so fun
Speaker 1: because it's like so ambition. Ever get what it takes
Speaker 1: a minute to realize what it is and then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you just make Ednie song in a major key. Um.
Speaker 1: It is like a joke. I have heard about how
Speaker 1: you can turn any Christmas song into a Hanukkah song
Speaker 1: by putting it in my case music theory here on Nightcall.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that this one is like it
Speaker 1: was a good one to go out on just because
Speaker 1: it's like it feels like kind of the blockbuster of
Speaker 1: the three of them in a way like it's a
Speaker 1: big adventure. Um I, but yeah, I I feel like
Speaker 1: maybe they need to go back to just doing three
Speaker 1: episodes watches, because like they had, they felt more considered
Speaker 1: all three of them instead of just being like, let's
Speaker 1: think of another like apocalyptic computer scenario, like they're all,
Speaker 1: they're all they all have their own sort of thing
Speaker 1: that they're working on and thinking about instead of like
Speaker 1: what if you had to kill a baby? Like and
Speaker 1: striking vipers too was almost I mean, it was complex
Speaker 1: and also did a great job the Nicole Berry who
Speaker 1: played the wife, like, they also did a great job
Speaker 1: of making her very sympathetic. You felt for everybody in
Speaker 1: this situation. Um well that's and that's like the what's
Speaker 1: it called the entire history of you. I thought that
Speaker 1: that that episode, like a classic Black Mirror episode, was
Speaker 1: you know, the first time we really could see the
Speaker 1: full potential of that of just like introducing a bad
Speaker 1: idea into a but like for a bunch of flawed
Speaker 1: people to mess with that we all ultimately feel sympathetic
Speaker 1: for in some way or another because we can see
Speaker 1: with all be right back. Yeah, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: some of them are like what if what if technology
Speaker 1: is good well that I think. I think that's what
Speaker 1: they really great episodes all have in common. And I
Speaker 1: think it's a double edged black mirror. It's a doublegged exactly, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: But I mean I think striking Vipers they use the
Speaker 1: same VR technology across, you know, in the whole black
Speaker 1: mirror universe of like a temple sticker that you know,
Speaker 1: your eyes kind of cloud over and roll back in
Speaker 1: your head, which is so scary. And then I think
Speaker 1: my issue with Smithens is that I think that gets
Speaker 1: across what technology does to people, for better or worse,
Speaker 1: so much more effectively than you know, a shot of
Speaker 1: people looking at their phones reading tragic news putting it away,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, it's true, the metaphor for the
Speaker 1: thing better than the exactly. I feel like the thing
Speaker 1: itself just seems like Brooker is really it's also filling
Speaker 1: to show people on their phones. You're right, it's just
Speaker 1: like uncinematic and to show people it wouldn't be cooler
Speaker 1: if we put a little dart in our brain and
Speaker 1: then we just looked like totally passed out and and
Speaker 1: like halfway halfway did and halfway like ecstatic. It's just yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting rain candy. Yeah, we should watch rain
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