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Speaker 1: Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buck has already,

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Speaker 1: like many of your kids and grandkids, have started his

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Speaker 1: Christmas vacation. He is off and about. I will be

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Speaker 1: with you today and tomorrow solo taking you into Christmas Week,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot for us to dive into. A

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Speaker 1: couple of different stories that are out there that we

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Speaker 1: will be monitoring. We still have no idea who the

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Speaker 1: Brown University shooter was. They've released a few more videos.

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Speaker 1: I will continue to update you with that, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not optimistic that there is any imminent arrest that is

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Speaker 1: a lot about whatever the decision might have been that

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Speaker 2: So that is out there.

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Speaker 1: The continued fallout of the awful Bondai beach shooting in

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Speaker 1: Australia continue, but we begin with some good news. Inflation

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Speaker 1: has just come in at the lowest level since the

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Speaker 1: spring of twenty twenty one, when cost of goods began

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Speaker 1: to skyrocket under Joe Biden as he poured trillions of

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Speaker 1: dollars into the economy in the early days of what

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to call the worst administration in

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Speaker 1: any of our lives. Inflation comes in at two point

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Speaker 1: seven percent. Again, the inflation goal for the Fed is

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Speaker 1: two percent. We have been fighting our way back down

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Speaker 1: since I believe it was June of twenty two. Team

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Speaker 1: I think it was June of twenty two that inflation

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Speaker 1: hit nine point one percent in this country and necessitated

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Speaker 1: a rapid rise overall in interest rates. I'm gonna actually

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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty six election is going to be

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Speaker 1: based on cost of goods affordability. Uh, but I want

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Speaker 1: to give you the latest information. I'll give you a

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Speaker 1: couple of different ways that that this broke down. This

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Speaker 1: was from CNBC economics reporter Steve Leisman. Here he is

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Speaker 1: on CNBC reacting in surprise to the numbers on inflation

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Speaker 1: coming in much lower than expected.

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Speaker 2: Cut to the.

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Speaker 3: Number of the morning the CPI, Oh, maybe coming in

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Speaker 3: a little bit better than expecting. Two point seven percent

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Speaker 3: A little light here. I'm not calling I'm just reading

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Speaker 3: the headlines here. Year over year two seven ex food

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Speaker 3: and Energy Corps six, so four chants off. That is

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Speaker 3: a very good number. Here, all right, very good number.

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Speaker 3: That is CNBC. Here is Maria Bartiromo. Side note. I

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Speaker 3: got to meet Maria Bartiromo for the first time. I

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Speaker 3: think it was an Earth November at a Fox event,

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Speaker 3: and I was just giddy. And Buck would tell you this,

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Speaker 3: and my wife would tell you this. I got to

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Speaker 3: meet Joe Kernan. I was a kid who liked to

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Speaker 3: watch CNBC back in the day, So Maria Bartiromo, Joe

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Speaker 3: Kernan for those of you who remember that era when

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Speaker 3: what you and Buck are doing. That was awesome, which

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Speaker 3: reminds me we should get her on the program. But

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Speaker 3: here is Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo as this news

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Speaker 3: comes out, reacting to it.

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Speaker 2: Cut one.

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Speaker 4: Inflation is running at maybe two point nine percent right now,

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Speaker 4: two year over year.

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Speaker 2: Let me interurck you.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Steve. Two point seven percent year of a

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Speaker 5: year is the number we were expecting. Two point six

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Speaker 5: and two point seven percent is headline. This is better

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Speaker 5: two point six percent CPI for the month of November,

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Speaker 5: we got headline number of two point seven percent, much

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Speaker 2: Markets are on the move down.

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Speaker 5: Dusters now at the highs of the morning at one

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Speaker 1: Okay, as we speak to you, the Dow is near

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Speaker 1: way to spin it, says Harvard Professor of economics Ken

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Speaker 6: Again, cut three I mean, I was surprised. It was

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Speaker 6: a better number than anyone was expecting. Look, inflation has

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think the president will take this as

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Speaker 6: There's no other way to spend.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to get into President Trump's address last night.

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Speaker 1: But this news has come out since then, and you

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Speaker 1: might be saying, Okay, Clay, what impact does this have

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Speaker 1: on my life? Why does this matter? Let me kind

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Speaker 1: get that people are frustrated with what things cost, and

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Speaker 1: why you are angry, many of you, including me, at

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Speaker 1: what the cost of goods actually are. When Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: very low inflation. That is hard to recognize in general

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Speaker 1: cost of goods two percent inflation. Almost immediately, the decision

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Speaker 1: And remember Biden came into office and immediately passed and

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Speaker 1: spent trillions of dollars in spending increases because that was.

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Speaker 2: Their idea, Hey, we can't go too small.

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Speaker 1: We got to put as much money from the federal

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Speaker 1: almost immediately, overall inflation started to skyrocket because we were

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Speaker 1: time telling a lot of people stay home, eat Cheetos.

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Speaker 1: you felt this. And it wasn't just cost of goods.

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Speaker 1: Because inflation skyrocketed so fast, the overall rate of the

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Speaker 1: I've got a two and a half percent interest rate

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Speaker 2: And it is working.

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Speaker 1: your overall wage growth, is that's the number one If

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Speaker 1: you told me, hey, Clay, what is the number one

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Speaker 1: economic issue that you think matters the most, it is

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Speaker 1: you need to be making on average more money in

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Speaker 2: Trump is trying to tell that story.

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Speaker 1: The challenge is people are angry because of how bad

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Speaker 1: why I have made the argument. As you guys know,

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Speaker 1: I love history. Many of you lived through it. It

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Speaker 10: Yeah, the point of these statues are you're supposed to

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Speaker 10: apparently was beating his wife, right, And at some point

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Speaker 10: there's going to be someone, a big group of people

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Speaker 10: they're going to say, well, we got to tear down MLKA.

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Speaker 10: Of course that would be ridiculous, but that's what is

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Speaker 10: going to happen with this slippery slope. And I'm pretty

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Speaker 10: aggrieved that the same people who are sitting today convincing

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Speaker 10: us that baby should be murdered in the womb, that

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Speaker 10: we should be transing young kids are suddenly the arbiters

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Speaker 10: of what is good and what's bad, and we're going

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Speaker 10: to listen to them.

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King also, look, was a sad, fascinated in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight on that balcony of the Lorraine Hotel

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Speaker 2: Martin Luther King, as Robert F. Kennedy and John F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy and a lot of people of that era in particular,

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Speaker 1: was not an upstanding family man in the way that

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Speaker 1: many would want men to be today and in the past.

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Speaker 1: And so again, if you go and look at the

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Speaker 1: past of many of our historic figures who are heroes

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Speaker 1: some form of sordid past or aspect of their personality

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Speaker 1: that would be found lacking. And I just think it's

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Speaker 1: interesting where we draw the line and where we don't.

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Speaker 2: How old are you, Brianna, I'm twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you're twenty seven. I and Buck, if

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Speaker 1: he were here, we're both huge history people. I was

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Speaker 1: a history major. I read everything I can about history.

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Speaker 1: When you are around people you're own age, how much

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Speaker 1: historical illiteracy do you see? And second part of that,

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Speaker 1: how much of that feels almost intentional? Because if you

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Speaker 1: can tear down the heroes of American history, what you

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Speaker 1: really allow is for everything to be wiped clean, because

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Speaker 1: when you're saying, hey, if we can point to George

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Speaker 1: and argue that America was founded on a huge hill

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Speaker 1: of lies, and so we can just wipe clean of

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Speaker 1: everything that the country has been founded on.

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Speaker 2: That feels historically like the goal.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, the goal is to delegitimize the work of the founders.

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Speaker 10: In my generation in particular, you know, we've been indoctrinated

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Speaker 10: where we're ashamed of our heritage and our ancestors. And

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Speaker 10: it's not always been like that. You know, you go

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Speaker 10: back to, you know, the seventies when Roberty Lee was

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Speaker 10: it was like four ten to three. It was some

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Speaker 10: massive margin because everybody Republican and Democrat understood that Roberty

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Speaker 10: Lee was significant for a few reasons, and it wasn't

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Speaker 10: so polarizing. You go to what was in nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 10: the movie Gettysburg came out. They portray Lee as an

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Speaker 10: unrepentant racist. At the end scene, he's being cheered on

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Speaker 10: by his soldiers as he goes to surrender.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 10: And so there was a consensus really up until the

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Speaker 10: a definitely complex path where some things were bad, and

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Speaker 10: we don't condone that. But nonetheless it doesn't take away

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Speaker 10: from the reason that we look up to them or

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Speaker 10: at least recognize their impact on America.

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Speaker 1: I want to write another book, and my last book

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Speaker 1: just came out, But I think what you're getting at

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Speaker 1: I've been kind of grappling with in my own head.

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Speaker 1: It's do we define people by their ceilings or their floors?

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 2: Do and a lot of times.

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Speaker 1: And I just came from a funeral of my uncle

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Speaker 1: this week, and he didn't have much of a floor.

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Speaker 2: He had a great ceiling.

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Speaker 1: But if you go and watch a eulogy, it almost

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Speaker 1: always is this is what he or she achieved.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the positives.

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Speaker 1: We don't marinate in the awfulness of the failures that

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Speaker 1: we have in our life. At the end of the life.

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Speaker 1: We like to define people based on their ceilings. It

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Speaker 1: seems to me that the Democrat Party in general focuses

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Speaker 1: on the floor of American history.

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Speaker 2: The things that.

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Speaker 1: They want to say are the worst parts of our

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Speaker 1: historic figures. And it seems in general like Republicans tend

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Speaker 1: to focus on the ceiling. Is that metaphor out of

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Speaker 1: line or do you think there's.

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Speaker 2: Some truth to it?

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Speaker 10: No, I think it's accurate. And let's think why does

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Speaker 10: the left focus on the worst of the worst. Because

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Speaker 10: the things that they care about, right, socialism, communism, that

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Speaker 10: it's fundamentally incompatible with small r republicanism. And if you

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Speaker 10: actually want to implement communism and socialism on a large scale,

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Speaker 10: you have to fundamentally reshape America. You have to get

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Speaker 10: rid of the Declaration, you have to get rid of

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Speaker 10: the Bill of Rights, you have to get rid of

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Speaker 10: the institutions and what underpins those institutions, which is Christianity,

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Speaker 10: to start fresh. So they have to focus on trying

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Speaker 10: to sour the sentiment of the American people by bashing

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Speaker 10: our heroes Jefferson Washington. Those are heroes, they should be revered,

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Speaker 10: and they are going to do this. I'm actually really

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Speaker 10: upset that we're coming into two fifty, and I'm not

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Speaker 10: feeling as patriotic as I should be because there's so

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Speaker 10: many people that are trying to tear down the legacy

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Speaker 10: of our founders because they want to delegitimize that they

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Speaker 10: can replace.

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Speaker 1: Are you so you're talking about two fifty and I

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Speaker 1: think it is incredibly important because I wasn't around in

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Speaker 1: America two hundred. But for those of you out there

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Speaker 1: that remember nineteen seventy six, it seems like there was

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Speaker 1: that two hundredth birthday celebration. Are you optimistic that next

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Speaker 1: year we can have something so mol on America to

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Speaker 1: fifty or do you think the Nicole Hannah Joneses of

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Speaker 1: the world and the sixteen nineteen project have been so

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Speaker 1: successful in tearing down American history that it's impossible to

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Speaker 1: bring everybody together.

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Speaker 10: I think the Overton window is shifting, and I'm glad

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Speaker 10: that President Trump is in office.

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Speaker 7: I would like to.

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Speaker 10: See some changes to be a board running the two

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Speaker 10: hundred and fifty celebrations because this is a time to

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Speaker 10: honor the founders. And I say this as someone who's

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Speaker 10: you know, I'm related too. Declaration of Independence definers. My

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Speaker 10: two sixth great grand uncles were militia men in the

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Speaker 10: battles of Lexington and Concord. My family thought this, they

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Speaker 10: lived this and honoring their legacy and everyone else's legacy.

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Speaker 10: It is so important to me because without their sacrifices,

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Speaker 10: you and I wouldn't be speaking today.

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Speaker 1: H Brionna, how can people find you if they want

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Speaker 1: to see your content? And or maybe they got kids

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Speaker 1: and maybe they're more likely to respond in a positive

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Speaker 1: way to somebody their own age than people their age.

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Speaker 10: I'm trying to be a patriot maxing. So you could

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Speaker 10: me on Twitter at Brian Alignment two or Instagram Brianna

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Speaker 10: dot Lineman.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Hey, we appreciate the time. Have a good Christmas

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Speaker 1: and thanks for fighting the good fight. I mean, I

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Speaker 10: Thank you, Mary Christmas. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: That's Brianna Lyman. That's fantastic. I mean history nerding out.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, when I see somebody just defending just

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Speaker 1: Now a bit of other news. The Trump Kennedy Center

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Speaker 1: have renamed it Daily Mail reporting I mentioned that this

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Speaker 1: according to Daily Mail, often appears in YouTube videos with Biffle.

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Speaker 1: He wrote this on Facebook, where devastated. I'm so sorry

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Speaker 1: to share this. He also said he was not sure

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Speaker 1: who else was potentially on that plane, a Sesna C

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Speaker 1: five point fifty according to the FAA. So that is

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Speaker 1: a awful story out there for those of you that

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Speaker 1: are NASCAR fans. Greg Biffle, very famous and well known

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Speaker 1: race car driver in the NASCAR world, again reportedly dying,

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Speaker 1: according to one of his best friends, as reported by

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Speaker 1: The Daily Mail. Okay, let's see another story that is

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Speaker 1: out there that I think is getting maybe not as

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Speaker 1: much attention as it should. I was texting with producer

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Speaker 1: Ali about this last night, and the Brown University shooting

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Speaker 1: certainly killed two people. This shooting at MIT, a professor

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Speaker 1: at MIT was assassinated.

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Speaker 2: Two days later.

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Speaker 1: Unknown assailant fatally shot MIT professor Nuno Lauro and I'm

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Speaker 1: probably mispronouncing his name inside his Boston home about fifty

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Speaker 1: miles away from that other shooting. The FBI agent says

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Speaker 1: they don't think there's a connection, but other people are saying,

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Speaker 1: is there a connection here? And the the idea that

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Speaker 1: a MIT professor who was an expert in nuclear weaponry

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Speaker 1: would be killed like this is It's a story that

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Speaker 1: I think should get a lot of attention. He is

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Speaker 1: a theoretical physicist and fusion scientist that has specializes in

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Speaker 1: nuclear science, engineering, and physics, and there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of discussions about how is this forty seven year old

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Speaker 1: dad of three just getting killed MIT professor with nuclear

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Speaker 1: weapons training background. Is there something more to this again

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Speaker 1: that happened here recently? So all of those stories being discussed.

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Speaker 1: By the way, We're going to talk with Jonathan Albert

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hour about how to handle

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Speaker 1: friends and family who may have Trump derangement syndrome as

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Speaker 1: the holidays are now upon us. I also wanted to

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Speaker 1: play this for you. Piers Morgan had Candace Owens on

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Speaker 1: his program. We haven't spent a lot of time talking

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Speaker 1: about this, but Candace Owens has been chasing the allegations

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Speaker 1: or conspiracy. She's been arguing that somebody other than this

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Speaker 1: crazy guy killed Charlie Kirk, and Pierce Morgan pressed her

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Speaker 1: on that, and this is what that sounded like in

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Speaker 1: their conversation.

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Speaker 11: Listen, there is specifically two people at Turning Point USA,

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Speaker 11: and I have communicated that information to Erica and Justine

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Speaker 11: Strife that I would not be surprised if they had

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Speaker 11: for knowledge of Charlie Kirk being assassinatedvident. I'm not going

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Speaker 11: to name. I am not going to name those people, okay,

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Speaker 11: because it's not right for me to name those people.

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Speaker 2: And so I know for a fact that they did.

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Speaker 2: Did you give the names to Erica? Yes, I a

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Speaker 2: truly did.

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Speaker 6: I gave the names to Erica of two employees, current

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Speaker 6: employees at Turning Point, who you believe were.

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Speaker 2: Involved in the preparation for the murder of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 11: I told them that if if I were in your shoes,

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Speaker 11: the would these would be two employees that I would

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Speaker 11: look further into.

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Speaker 7: What evidence do you have that they had any prior

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Speaker 7: knowledge of the murder?

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Speaker 11: Because I don't have concrete evidence is the reason why

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Speaker 11: I'm not naming them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Uh, this is why I give credit and I am

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Speaker 1: optimistic that when this trial takes place that we are

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Speaker 1: going to be able to hear more and see more

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Speaker 1: of what motivated this assassin. And the Washington Post had

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Speaker 1: a story that was out that I thought was significant

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Speaker 1: and worthy of discussing. The Washington let me read some

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Speaker 1: of this. This Tyler Robinson, this far left wing activist

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Speaker 1: who killed Charlie Kirk based on all the evidence, and

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Speaker 1: this is the Washington Post profile that they did surrounding

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Speaker 1: this alleged assassin who will be standing trial soon. A

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Speaker 1: few times I'm reading from the Washington Post. When he

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Speaker 1: was drunk, Robinson would joke about right wing politicians, saying

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Speaker 1: like that guy's going to catch a bullet one day.

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Speaker 1: No one took it seriously, and they would say he

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Speaker 1: would say it when he was drinking. He reacted to

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Speaker 1: Trump being shot by celebratory joke, and they said that

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Speaker 1: he increasingly and his roommate were angry about right wing

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Speaker 1: politicians and an anti trans sentiment in Utah. They show

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Speaker 1: the roommate asked friends whether they wanted to attend an

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Speaker 1: anti Trump protest. After the twenty twenty four election, The

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Speaker 1: roommate viewed Trump's election I'm reading from the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: as a loss for trans rights and was distraught more

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Speaker 1: than once. The person said he saw Robinson cradling his

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Speaker 1: sobbing roommate in his arms. This is the trans roommate.

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Speaker 1: I believe this is the man who identified as a woman.

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Speaker 1: I sometimes get crossed up on this team. I believe

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Speaker 1: that's true. Correct me if I'm wrong. In February, the

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Speaker 1: roommate was furious when people came over to watch a

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Speaker 1: basketball game NBA game, According to people were there, One

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Speaker 1: of the visitors said something about trans athletes and how

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Speaker 1: ridiculous it was for trans athletes to be competing, and

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Speaker 1: the roommate interrupted him and shouted repeatedly to shut up

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Speaker 1: about that, and all the room went quiet before play

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Speaker 1: eventually resumed.

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Speaker 2: And also.

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Speaker 1: This person, says Robinson and the trans roommate the killer,

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Speaker 1: the alleged assassin, would complain about right wing figures in

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Speaker 1: the news, including Trump. So again, the motivation here, I

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Speaker 1: think is very clear. I also understand the desire among

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Speaker 1: many to believe that there is something larger in play

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Speaker 1: than just one person can get a rifle and go

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Speaker 1: in the life of somebody as significant as Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: And thankfully we dodged this with President Trump in Butler,

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania on July thirteenth.

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Speaker 2: But it's I think.

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Speaker 1: Beyond the pale to suggest that someone at turning Point

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Speaker 1: was involved in trying to encourage the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is I think, absolutely a crazy, looney

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Speaker 1: bin take. And one of the things that I think

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Speaker 1: is very challenging in modern media is there are very

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Speaker 1: few consequences for crazy opinions.

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Speaker 2: And actually, we've.

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Speaker 1: Created a media ecosystem that can reward crazy opinions, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that is going to be important

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Speaker 1: to grapple with in the years ahead. How do we

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Speaker 1: reconcile when people say things that end up not being true.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about just getting predictions wrong. We

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Speaker 1: get predictions wrong on this show all the time. Those

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Speaker 1: of you who listened to this show for a long

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Speaker 1: time know that, for instance, I said we were going

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Speaker 1: to have a red wave in twenty twenty two, didn't materialize.

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Speaker 1: I was wrong. I came on, I said I was wrong.

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Speaker 1: You know, we got a red wave in Florida, we

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Speaker 1: got a red wave in New York. It didn't happen

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Speaker 1: in other cities and states. And then in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four we did get a red wave and it brought

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Speaker 1: President Trump in and so you could feel the building

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Speaker 1: of the red wave. I was just early in my forecast.

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Speaker 1: I think honestly that Dobbs decision muted what would have

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Speaker 1: been a red wave in twenty twenty two. That's my opinion.

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Speaker 1: I think that abortion got out a lot of Democrats

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Speaker 1: and it forestalled the red wave until twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you can argue that if we

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Speaker 1: had gotten a red wave in twenty twenty two. Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden would have stepped down then and said I'm not

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Speaker 1: running for reelection. The Democrats would have had a full primary,

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Speaker 1: Republicans would have had a full primary, and we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have ended up with Trump versus Kamala. We may have

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Speaker 1: ended up with I think Trump still probably would have

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Speaker 1: won the overall Republican nomination, but who knows who the

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Speaker 1: nominee would have been for Democrats. I don't think it

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Speaker 1: would have been Kamala. And so you get things wrong.

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Speaker 1: That's part of this business. It's hard to forecast the future.

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Speaker 1: Nobody is perfect at it. But when you say things

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Speaker 1: that are able to be proven incorrect, what is the

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Speaker 1: metric under which there are consequences for that? I think

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Speaker 1: it's something that in the world in which we live,

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Speaker 1: it's very hard for me to sue, for instance, because

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Speaker 1: somebody defamed me, because I'm a public figure. So if

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Speaker 1: you go on social media at any moment, people are

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Speaker 1: saying awful things about me, They're saying awful things about Buck,

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Speaker 1: They're saying awful things about many different people in public life.

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Speaker 1: And because the standard is so substantial for a public figure,

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Speaker 1: world where you can say anything about anyone and if

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Speaker 1: they are a public figure in the United States, it's

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Speaker 1: almost impossible for there to be any form of defamation

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Speaker 1: that is recoverable, and so that actually leads, I think,

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Speaker 1: to an incentives culture where you can say awful things

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Speaker 1: about whoever you don't like, awful, untrue things, not opinions,

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Speaker 1: right me saying I think Tim Walls is an awful,

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Speaker 1: it a tremendously boneheaded decision there. That's all well intentioned.

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Speaker 1: I believe everything I just said, But if I took

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Speaker 1: the next step and said I think Tim Walls is,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a drug dealer, that would be totally

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Speaker 1: made up. I don't think there's any evidence whatsoever to

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Speaker 1: support it. But I don't know that Tim Walls could

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Speaker 1: It's something that I spend a lot of time thinking about.

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Speaker 1: And this is me going down into the weeds legally,

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Speaker 1: but the New York Times v. Sullivan standard when it

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Speaker 1: comes to free speech in the First Amendment and how

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Speaker 1: in which we live. It's an outdated policy precedent from

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Speaker 1: Something to think about, something to put a pin in it.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how many Supreme Court justices really

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Speaker 1: get this. Several of them have started to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, this idea of Times v. Sullivan needs

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Speaker 1: welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us. We are joined

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Speaker 1: now by Jonathan Albert, psychotherapist in New York City and

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Speaker 1: DC author of the forthcoming book Therapy Nation.

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Speaker 2: We talked with you back.

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Speaker 1: In around Thanksgiving, Jonathan, and there was a great feedback

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Speaker 1: from the audience. So given the fact that Christmas is nearing,

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Speaker 1: we are exactly one week from Christmas Day. If I

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Speaker 1: am doing my math correctly, and I think i am,

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Speaker 1: and obviously Hanukkah is underway, what is the number one

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Speaker 1: piece of advice you would give anyone out there that

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Speaker 1: is going to be with friends and family who hate

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Speaker 1: President Trump. Many of the people listening to us right

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Speaker 1: now are big Trump supporters. What is the number one

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Speaker 1: piece of advice when it comes to holidays with Trump haters?

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Speaker 12: Well, Clay, maybe get a life, but that side, you know,

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Speaker 12: I think people need to recognize that family and friends are,

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Speaker 12: or at least should be, more important than Donald Trump

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Speaker 12: or any political figure that may be in our country.

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Speaker 12: But all too often that's not the case. We have

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Speaker 12: people who are dividing families, cutting off relatives, loved ones,

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Speaker 12: friends just because of the way that someone voted. And

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Speaker 12: as a therapist, I mean I'm seeing this endlessly since Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 12: People are coming in talking about high anxiety about seeing

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Speaker 12: their Trump loving uncle or even their progressive cousin over

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Speaker 12: the holiday. So it's a real problem in our society.

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Speaker 12: And what I'm seeing this year seems worse than a

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Speaker 12: year's past. And I think part of the problem is

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Speaker 12: people have become their anger has become hardened, and it's

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Speaker 12: become part of their personality. So we really need to

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Speaker 12: try to examine that and figure out how to work

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Speaker 12: with these people. And sometimes a simplest saying past the

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Speaker 12: gravy may work just to remind people like, we're here

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Speaker 12: for the holiday dinner, not to discuss politics.

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Speaker 1: We've got Kathy in Birmingham, Alabama. She has a question

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Speaker 1: for you. Kathy, you're talking with Jonathan Alpert. You've got

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Speaker 1: a dad who is a major Trump hater. Ask your question,

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Speaker 1: how do you deal with it?

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Speaker 4: He is ninety years old, and Clay he was he

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Speaker 4: sounded I thought it was my own father that called

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Speaker 4: in the Bill from Wisconsin. My father's name is Bill

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Speaker 4: and he is from the Upper Peninsula, Michigan, and Bill

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Speaker 4: from Wisconsin is exactly how my father is treating his

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Speaker 4: three adult children.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the case, what should she do?

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Speaker 1: You didn't hear earlier, but we had to call her

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Speaker 1: Bill from Wisconsin, who just hates Trump sounds like her

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Speaker 1: dad years old. Is that way too? What would you

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Speaker 1: suggest that she should do? Is it completely ignore everything

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Speaker 1: having to do with Trump? What's the best way to

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Speaker 1: get through the holidays with some semblance of sanity in

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Speaker 1: the household?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: And I think accepting that there will be people who

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Speaker 12: hate Trump, or hate Joe Biden, or hate Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 12: but again like recognizing that no one political figure should

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Speaker 12: dominate a holiday, and maybe getting back to the importance

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Speaker 12: of the holiday and what it's all about. And maybe

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Speaker 12: there can just be a brief acknowledgment. I understand that

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Speaker 12: we don't see I politically, but I love you. You're

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Speaker 12: my father, you're my daughter, whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 12: And let's focus on family and enjoying the holiday together.

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Speaker 12: So most of the times that will work.

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Speaker 2: We also have another question.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate people calling in Ryan and Boston has a

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Speaker 1: question for you. Jonathan Albert on with us.

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Speaker 7: Now gentlemen, right topic and Built from Wisconsin. You have

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Speaker 7: to realize you don't get every vote, and he's one

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Speaker 7: of the guys that go the other way. But I

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Speaker 7: noticed this little kid, people going after Reagan, and I

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Speaker 7: don't even repeat the things they said. So this goes

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Speaker 7: on politically, it seems more from the left. They do

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Speaker 7: get kind of vicious. And I always wanted to know.

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Speaker 7: I believe on an emotional level, and i'd ask, is

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Speaker 7: are these people stunted emotionally because people now are excluding

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Speaker 7: people from Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners and they want no

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Speaker 7: part of these They don't want no part of these

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Speaker 7: individuals because they can't control their political views at dinners anymore.

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Speaker 7: You know, I could. What I could do is what

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Speaker 7: I do is I just walk away. During Thanksgiving, I

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Speaker 7: can watch football I'm a sports fan, or even Christmas,

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Speaker 7: they have games and I could watch and just walk

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Speaker 7: away from any kind of looming to his conversation. But

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Speaker 7: a lot of people on the other side don't like

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Speaker 7: it at all. People are being excluded. And a good

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Speaker 7: example I saw as a young guy when Pappy Cannon

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Speaker 7: ran for president, Republicans got vicious calling names. So name

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Speaker 7: calling is permitted in politics, but tampering with the actual

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Speaker 7: agenda is not.

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Speaker 1: John, Thank you for the call, Ryan, Jonathan. I This

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Speaker 1: is something that I think everybody is grappling with and

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna go away. And I think I asked

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Speaker 1: you this last time, but I find it super interesting.

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Speaker 1: Is Trump derangement syndrome as it exists today? And I

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Speaker 1: would say there's about twenty percent of Americans that just

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Speaker 1: genuinely hate Trump with every fiber of their being. Is

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Speaker 1: it gonna translate to other politicians on the Republican side

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Speaker 1: of the aisle.

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Speaker 2: Let's say it's J. D.

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Speaker 1: Vance or Marco Robio or Ron DeSantis, whoever is the

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Speaker 1: next flag bearer for the Republican Party. In your experience,

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Speaker 1: does this kind of hate translate or if Trump steps

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Speaker 1: off the stage, which he will do in January of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine, does it then sort of leave with him.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a great question, Clay, and I remember you

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Speaker 12: did ask that last time. I think to some degree

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Speaker 12: the hate does stick around into the next president, whoever

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Speaker 12: that may be, but maybe to a lesser extent because

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Speaker 12: Trump has just been such a polarizing figure and he

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Speaker 12: came out of the business world, and most likely we'll

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Speaker 12: have a politician that steps up into the presidency next

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Speaker 12: time and not this outsider that Trump was, and I

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Speaker 12: think a lot of people just had trouble reconciling, like,

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Speaker 12: how can this guy, a real estate tycoon and TV

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Speaker 12: star become president? And a lot of people just cannot

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Speaker 12: be okay with that and reconcile that. So I don't

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Speaker 12: think we'll quite have that at play and that hatred.

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Speaker 12: But yes, to your point, I think there are always

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Speaker 12: going to be people who hate the other side. One

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Speaker 12: of the differences that I've seen is the hatred towards

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Speaker 12: the seems to be much more potent than the hatred

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Speaker 12: towards the left. Plenty of patients of mind didn't like

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Speaker 12: Biden or Harris, but it never rose to the level

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Speaker 12: of wanting either of those people dead. But we've certainly

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Speaker 12: seen that on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Mary in Texas has an opinion. I'm curious what you

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Speaker 1: would think of her opinion. Mary, You've got Jonathan Albert

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Speaker 1: on with us. What have you got for us?

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Speaker 13: Well, the basic things about being with your family or

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Speaker 13: friends during the holidays. It's just very very very lovingly,

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Speaker 13: very kindly say, look, we've been together for ninety years,

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Speaker 13: you know, forty years for children, has been wife. This

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Speaker 13: isn't about what's going on in politics. This is about Christmas,

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Speaker 13: this is about being with family.

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Speaker 8: Let's take responsibility as adults, as human beings to be

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Speaker 8: loving with each other, to be Christian with each other,

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Speaker 8: and the rest is going to be what it is.

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Speaker 8: You're gonna think what you're gonna think, you're gonna you're

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Speaker 8: gonna want to do what you're gonna want to do,

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Speaker 8: but let's leave it away from around us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mary. Good advice, Jonathan.

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Speaker 12: Oh, excellent advice from Mary. That's pretty much what I

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Speaker 12: tell my patients that friends and family are far more

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Speaker 12: important than politics, and they should transcend any any occupant

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Speaker 12: of the White House. Unfortunately we're not seeing that this

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Speaker 12: holiday season, but that's great advice from Mary.

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Speaker 1: Historically, we talked with Breonna Lyman from The Federalist in

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Speaker 1: the second hour of the program. I love history because

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Speaker 1: it teaches you that you're way tougher and then you

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Speaker 1: think you are, and that the country is way tougher

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Speaker 1: than many people think it is. I would imagine that

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Speaker 1: in the wake of the Civil War there were probably

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Speaker 1: a lot of family gatherings that took place, particularly in

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Speaker 1: border states where people fought for different sides of the country.

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Speaker 1: North and South that it took a long time to

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Speaker 1: get through. Certainly for those of you out there who

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Speaker 1: remember the nineteen sixties, I would imagine during the Vietnam

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Speaker 1: War there were a lot of contentious Thanksgivings and Christmases.

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Speaker 1: Are you optimistic that we will come through and that

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Speaker 1: sanity will win or are you concerned that in a

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Speaker 1: social media era it's harder for sanity to triumph going forward?

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Speaker 1: In other words, how perpetual do you think the divisions

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Speaker 1: in the country are compared to past history and looking forward?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and I think if people could look at history,

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Speaker 12: would probably be better off now than we are. Our

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Speaker 12: mental health would be better off. But then when you

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Speaker 12: enter into the mix social media and echo chambers that

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Speaker 12: people surround themselves in, it's really only intensifying the division

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Speaker 12: in our country. And that's part of what my forthcoming book,

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Speaker 12: Therapy Nation is about, Like this division, and it's actually

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Speaker 12: fueled in part by my profession. We have therapy culture

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Speaker 12: that is, you know, placing blame on everyone but their patient.

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Speaker 12: Of course, it's your boss that's the bad guy, or

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Speaker 12: your spouse, it's not your fault. So you know, we

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Speaker 12: don't have resilience being taught to patients. These days we

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Speaker 12: have quite the opposite. We have grievance culture that's taking hold.

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Speaker 12: We have fragility and that's a big part of the problem.

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Speaker 12: And again, if people could just look at our country's history,

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Speaker 12: and you make a good point that during the Civil

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Speaker 12: War and after it, families probably still got together and

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Speaker 12: loved each other.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, Jonathan Albert. If

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Speaker 1: people want to read more of what you are doing,

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Speaker 1: I know you've got a book coming out called Therapy Nation.

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Speaker 2: Where should they find you?

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Speaker 12: People can find me on on x or Twitter at

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Speaker 12: Jonathan Albert and also my website Jonathan Albert dot com.

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Speaker 2: Outstanding stuff.

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Speaker 1: As always, have good holiday and we look forward to

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Speaker 1: to talking to you again.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, thank you, Clay.

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Speaker 2: I have a great holiday you too. I want to

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Speaker 2: tell you.

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Speaker 1: Candles were lit on Bondai Beach in Australia earlier this

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