WEBVTT - Ep. 025 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.200 All right, this is the Meat Eater podcast. We're recording, 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.479 uh Prince Wales Island. I'm here with one of my 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.840 favorite people on the planet, Mr Ron Layton. What's your 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.000 middle name? Ron? No middle name, no middle name whatsoever, 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:22.440 Just Ron Layton. And also Joannice, the Latvian lover who 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:29.040 tell us who just got himself his first sick of 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:34.239 blacktail box. Purely recreational hunt, not like a thing I 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.479 want to be in the hero. But but tell him 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.199 you're hunting story, honest. You know. I was retelling my 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.440 hunting story about an hour ago over here, and I 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:46.000 found out that I killed Jones Buck. No you did, Yeah, 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:50.360 he did. I just told you I liked the hunt. 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:58.880 Down here in the lower Muskegs. We were no muskegs. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.240 That's true, that's not There are bucks all over the place. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.880 What about the other forky that he didn't do? You 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.280 need to tell your hunting story. I snuck up through 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:15.360 some muskegs three nights ago. This is record. Why are 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:23.600 you hunting at night? Let me set the stage. Would 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:27.520 you like to dusk? Pre dusk we're out working on 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:32.160 a secret project and in the morning and at nighttime 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.800 there's a little free time, which you're honest who you 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.000 might know from his famous T shirt line, the Hunt 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.440 to Eat T shirt line. You can go to hunt 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.319 eat dot com by when he's on his T shirts 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.800 and helped make him even richard than he's already become 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.320 selling his T shirts. You should send Rohn a free 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:53.320 T shirt. I will um Joe would like one the 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.160 Alaska shirts on its way. So you're making an Alaska 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.080 Hunt each shirt. Okay, So so do you have any 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.080 boots to go along with that shirt? Nope, he's not 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.400 in the bootmaking business yet, just T shirt man. So 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.480 uh yann, He's been feeling some of his free time, 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.600 like the time normal people would spend going home watching TV. Afterward, 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.600 Yeani goes out and looks for blacktail box. Tell me 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:20.200 your story, Johnnie. I was sneaking around with bad wind. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.160 I ended up on a little knob like you were gassy. 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.600 No bad uh. There There were no steady thermals. It 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:33.160 was just the wind direction kept going. How what do 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.960 you call it? Willow wa willow? That's a bad wind. Well, 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.280 you never know which way is gonna be blowing. It 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.720 doesn't it's not consistent. It just it'll shift. It might 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.920 be coming out of the east, one time out of 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.000 the south another and then it's called the willow wa Willowa. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:55.960 I had willow, and it betrayed my location to what 0:02:56.000 --> 0:03:00.680 I thought was a buck. All I heard was boom 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.840 as it bounded off. So I ran over to where 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.200 his bed was. That I saw then, so he was 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.760 in his bed. He ran off. I stood there and 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.920 looked for ten minutes nothing. I started still hunting down 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.320 through the woods. Waited for another thirty minutes, and I 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.200 heard him again, and he drifted off. Never could catch 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:19.919 up to him. But he just knew he was a buck. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.160 You could feel in your bones, a single animal, you know. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.320 He sounded heavy to swear he was bed at. He 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.720 had himself a real nice perch for the nice outlook. 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.080 Seemed like a buck bed. It seems like a place 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.880 you just sleep if a deer. Steve and I came 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.360 back next night, sneaking in real quiet, real quiet, was 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:42.040 great wind from a different angle. We got to about 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.200 I don't know, a hundred yards or so, maybe a 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:48.040 little less of his bed, and we sat down. Steve 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.920 blue on his gear called it Ron gave him it's 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.640 called the summiner. Do you do not name that called 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:58.120 the summiner. Really yeah, because it summons him. That's exactly 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:03.280 righted it. That's why. Yeah, I'm gonna get to blacktail 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.720 deer calls your blacktailed deer calls in a minute. But 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.880 finished story because I blew the summiner. Yep, we waited. 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.200 It felt like fifteen might have been ten. But I 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.000 had it in my head that we should be moving. 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.400 I was getting ready to say, let's go, let's go. Picture. 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:28.679 This is dank, dark, temperate rainforest nastiness. Here's that old buck. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.880 It looks thick when you just walk around it, through 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.159 it or whatever. Since the minute you start to hunt 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.760 in there and try to find a small h what 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.760 do you think that buck ways a hundred fifty pounds 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:46.000 or so? I didn't see it all that average blacktail 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:51.440 buck probably that. I think it look like a hundounds. Yeah, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.000 so not not a giant animal. But man, when you 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.159 start looking for those suckers, then you go, man, this 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:01.080 place is really thick. It really is a jungle. Yeah. Anyways, 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.520 we laid down some sweet notes on the summer. We 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.839 had one good shooting lane. Ten minutes later, I was 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.080 looking up the top of the hill and it's a 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:15.120 little brown patch. Move well, Steve quit moving, so I 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.919 probably he said don't move, So I quickly moved in 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.840 order to look where he was looking by glassed him there. 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:27.160 He was looking down at us, looking for that What 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.200 are they coming to look for? Ron? When they hear 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.719 that call, they were curious. They're very they they become 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.520 very curious. And normally you're not going to get a 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:41.720 buck to come to a call this time a year. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:46.400 Usually usually they will come, you know, during the rut. 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.760 But well, we had going for us. As we snuck 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.440 in on his bed, I think all he had to 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.279 do is basically stand up to be like, what the 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.120 hell is that? Well, I think that's basically what he did. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.720 I don't think he traveled. Probably probably was like what's 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:05.040 going on? Well, curious again? But when you, hey, Yanni, 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.200 go grab a couple of Ron's deer calls. Oh, I 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:16.120 don't want to blow them. They'll blow damn thing. Um Ya, 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:20.120 Yanni shot the buck. It was a good shot. It 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.360 was Yanni's first sick of black tail. Now, Ron, let 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:25.800 me set the stage here little bit, because I was 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:30.400 playing Ron you'r. Ron was born in catch Can, Alaska 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:39.320 many years ago Um spent his whole life doing a 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.479 variety of things, but always hunting, fishing and whatnot. And 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:48.760 Yanni just laid down a large collection of Ron's Uh, 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:54.480 primarily handmade Sitka black Tail calls or black tail calls. First, 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.839 I got a question for you, ron Uh. Before I 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:00.240 was questioned, I was playing. There's just the of like 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.400 you have the rainforest round here, just thick ass rainforest, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.279 live is old growth. Love has been caught at various times. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:07.800 It's just really hard to see. But here and there 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.800 there's these features out in the rainforest called muskeg, and 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.840 I think it's successional like they were wetlands, you know, 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:19.040 marshy ground where Pete got built up and it crazes 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:23.240 these openings. It's like it seems metal like, but it's 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.640 very heavy moss and sedge in there, and it's like 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.840 the only place you actually see what's going on. Ron. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:35.320 Do you think that the black tails like the muskeg 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:36.720 or is it just you can see him because it's 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.920 the only place you can see anything, Like, do you 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.000 think that they're actually in it or you just notice 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:43.680 them because it's the first time you can see beyond 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:52.600 arms reach. Well, I take uncertain days, they're gonna be 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:58.640 in those muskegs because of the sunn's out and they're 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:03.320 they're just million around um normally. I mean, if it's 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.840 a real bad day, if the sun is really pounding down, 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.480 you're gonna find oh, most of the deer in the 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:15.160 tall timber. And if you've ever been in the edge 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:19.120 of a tall timber and have a breeze go through there, 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:25.240 you'll understand why then, because it's probably a good maybe 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:30.120 twenty degrees cooler, and especially with the breeze coming down 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.640 through the the tall timber and the trees there, it's 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.480 real comfortable. I know it was comfortable for me when 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.720 I'm standing there in tall timber rather than out in 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:47.520 the sun. And a lot of people don't realize it here, 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.720 but the last couple of summers was almost record breaking 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:57.000 as far as yes it is, and I've had that 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:03.440 throughout my life where you do have warmer summers than others, 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:09.760 So I know what standing around and a muskeag could 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.640 do to me, you know, And especially if there's no 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.800 breeze at all, you're gonna overeat heat, especially if you're 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:21.920 in your camel gear whatever. So they like to feed 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.880 in that muskang is there grass or anything that grows 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.920 in there. And they you know, they like to forage anything. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:29.880 And in that muskeag there are a lot of them. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:34.520 You might might see that slow. Okay, Well, they do 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.360 eat the slough berry, and if you look close when 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.839 you're through there, you'll see a lot of the slough berries. So, 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:48.480 and they'll forage on almost anything in there. Um normally 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.120 they eat they eat on a plant called dear heart. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.559 And this dear heart the reason why why it's called 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.760 dear heart. It the plant, the leaf itself is in 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:07.160 the shape of a dear heart. But they find this 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:12.640 very good. And there's been talk about how clear cuts 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.160 will expose a lot of dear heart to the sun, 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.600 which actually is bad for the dear heart. It takes 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.520 a lot of the nutrition out of it. So a 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.920 deer eating that is not going to have near the 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.680 nutrition that it would have if they were eating that 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:36.320 dear heart under the canopy, you know, in the tall 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:42.320 timber and in the wintertime, especially with deep snow and 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:47.000 stuff like that, they are dependent on this dear heart 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.640 in the tall timber, and that's how help gets them 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:57.559 through a deep cold winter. I've seen deer when there's 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:02.440 a lot of snow forced to the beach, and years 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.439 ago when you had a lot of snow forced to 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:12.960 the beach, then there was sometimes that they had to 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:17.920 actually bring bundles in of hay and start dropping around 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.640 on the beach edges just to help some of the 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.199 deer survived the I've heard that when you get bads though, 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.800 they'll come down to feed on like sea lattuce and 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.560 kelp that washes up on the beach and stuff. Yeah, 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.640 whatever they can get, whatever they could eat on. I 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.920 see him on the beach all the time eating and 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.720 they there. I think they are eating the goose dung 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:44.840 and the beach of sparages and and maybe even some 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.200 of the pop weed or the bulk kelp. I know 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:54.400 up at atln Island when they brought in transplant to elk, 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.800 they have found that the elk really like the bull kelp. 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.000 So they would come down and they'll be all over 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:08.679 the beaches eating the bull cell. And they are thinking 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:13.560 that maybe that is why this here group of elk 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:19.440 here have some record sized antlers and getting minerals and 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:24.240 stuff from the minerals, Yes, and and they do. They 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.760 won't allow those antlers to be entered in or counted 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.959 within any of their boone and Crocott because introduced or 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:37.640 something experimental. They color experimental herd. So you know those 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.719 elk like Land is the one they swim off when 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.760 they come to Prince of Wales, right correct, Yes, well 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.560 they swim They were transplanted only on Atland Island in 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:52.679 the area there, but since then they migrated over into 0:12:53.160 --> 0:13:01.120 uh what's another island? I want to say, Samobia, But 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:07.439 and now you can't hunt these the on both of 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:12.200 those islands, at Land and Samobia. It's only a drawing 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.199 for for elk. Yeah, but if they make it to 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:16.959 this island, you can kill him on a deer tag 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:18.599 or non resident can kill it. I don't know what 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.720 a resident is, but a nonresident if you see an 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.599 elk on this island, the deer tag is all you 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.720 need to hunt that elk? Is that true with you? 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.960 Should they keep making they keep liberalizing it? How much? 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.400 How much was your deer tag? Because when I here 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.199 for non residents A hundred fifty bucks? Okay, because when 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.679 I talked to him here, I was just checking in 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:41.400 it into that just for you. Um, because and they 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:45.160 talked to about how it would be I think two 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.400 hundred and fifty dollars for you to get a permit 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:53.560 to get an elk on this island. A man. Yeah, 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.520 they keep changing it, man like, they keep making it 0:13:55.600 --> 0:14:00.480 more and more easy. Well, it's probably because it's they're 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:05.040 they're becoming thicker, and they don't want to until they 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.880 fully understand what type of impact they would have on 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:13.160 the on the uh local deer population and I sit 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:18.280 good deer black tail. So until then, I think they 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.720 want to be cautious about allowing them to spread. And 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.400 they are spreading on the north end of the island. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:29.000 Here there's a pretty good uh I heard that was 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:34.560 established in there getting after those things. Man. They yeah, 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:40.800 and there was two. There was a Roosevelt elk and 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:47.760 the Rocky Mountain. Rocky Mountain introduced And I couldn't. I 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.040 don't know the difference between either one of them. You know, 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.440 if I if I was elkus and elk, you you 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.280 might be able to tell the difference. Yeah, I mean yeah, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.760 I mean there's some on the extremes on a big 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.720 on up one. I can look at him and tell 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.520 just on just sort of like the way they're shaped, 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:09.560 you know, what I'm saying, they're like stubb here Um. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.800 Just for background, I always tell the story that when 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.000 the way I met Ron, like I would, I wouldn't 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:22.840 have met you if it weren't for you giving my 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:29.840 brother Danny a jar of smoked octopus. I don't know 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:35.040 how that was, because he came to your house in 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.720 two thousand two. Right, he came to your house and 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.560 you drove him around while they were doing some work. 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.040 Right when I when when I sent him home with 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.400 a jar of smoked octopus. He brought that jar of 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:54.320 smoked octopus to my house to share it. I ate 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:59.080 the smoked octopus. This is the best thing I ever had, 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:01.680 And I said, I want to meet the dude that 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.920 made that smoked octopus. So that's how you got up 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.080 here to the following year, then when we came up 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.160 to fish, right, and I thought of you, and before 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.760 I didn't know your name, but I called you the 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:16.320 smoked octopus guy, smoked octopus guy. Ron does a lot 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.920 of shrimp trapping. Explain shrimp trapping, and explain how you 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.480 get octopus in there? Now, now all the trap is 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.800 big enough. Yeah, And actually I had some octopus in 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:32.680 there that we're pretty good size. And of course, the 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.800 the entry holes on a shrimp trap or for the 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:45.240 most part about two inches across maybe round. And the 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:50.240 size octopus that I got that trappter, I just I 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.720 have to think, how how do they get in there? 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.720 But because the thing's thirty pounds to get in there? Oh, absolutely, 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.640 And their head is as big as yours. I mean 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.960 it's the biggest human head at that point. He's just like, 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:04.640 I don't get it either. How they get in there? 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:06.760 And and they get in there because they want to 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.360 eat the shrimp right right, The basically their tentacles is 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:14.640 actually about the size of what would slide through there. 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.200 So they have the the eight tentacles bluss their body. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.919 So they have to they have to probably do it 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.919 slow and and squeeze in there. But I guess they 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.200 do it. I mean they do it that way. Yeah, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.760 shrimp trap like picture in your mind, like like picture, 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.440 oh man, like like a bushel basket. It's quite a 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.159 bigger a bushel basket, and but the same basic shape 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.840 and like a compressed cylinder, you know. And you put 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.840 bait and the usually use salmon parts heads whatever fish heads, 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.200 clean fish, and you put a halbet head or salmon 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.160 head in there. Yeah, I don't know. In my shrimp pots, 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:55.320 I don't use allibant carcasses. It doesn't seem to work 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.760 as well as it does with the salmon salmon heads 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:04.280 or carcasses, So that I want to when I put 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.159 my pot I want to be as efficient as I 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:14.399 can because obviously the price of fuel there's an issue. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.520 So when I set my potts, I want to be 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:26.639 very efficient. And uh, I learned um over time. You 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.440 know when they call hanging bait, well, you don't ever 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.760 want to hang bait in your pot? Hang it from 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.359 the top down. Yeah. What do you say about is uh, 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:38.719 let me, let me finish this, let me I want 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.320 to get this explained to people. A picture we're talking about. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.800 It's like a cylindrical trap and it has funnel shaped 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.840 entries on it, so you know, the shrimp can kind 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:52.840 of he wants to get in there, and he finds 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:54.640 his way through the little funnel entries and it's harder 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.800 for him to get out. It doesn't prevent him from 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.840 getting out because you see him squirting out of there 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.560 all the time, but only holds them in there. And 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.919 these shrimp are big like the ones you target are 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:09.639 called spot shrimp, big as shrimp, deep cold water, and 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:14.040 they we're going feed off. Salmon Heads are just carcasses, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:20.040 you know, and uh, you set in between thirty and 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:25.080 fifty fathoms of fathoms six ft so deep water. Actually, 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:30.520 different areas cause you to fish at different depths. So 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.520 wherever wherever I find. So if I move into area 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.679 with my pots, and I have ten pocks, I want 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:42.159 to set them in vary in various different depths. So 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:46.680 I want to spread out and try to find where 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:51.879 I get the best pots, where the the depths that 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:57.240 they're fishing best at. In certain areas, you might find 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:02.200 around forty fouthoms, is if and that's the best. Other 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:06.360 areas it could be sixty and where I'm at now 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.560 that's the case about sixty sixty two is what I 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:17.280 target now sixty water, right, yeah, And it's what we're 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.360 saying about hanging bait. You don't like the name hanging bait. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.719 Hang bab means just taking a carcass, like people use 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.879 different baits for shrimp. Like you can take this stuff 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.480 like it looks like dog food's actually made like a 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.159 commercial bait looks like dog food. You fill it full 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.400 of a little can, but that's all ship you gotta buy. 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:35.399 You know. Hanging bait, that just means like a carcass, right, 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:37.040 you put it on a skewer like on a club. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:40.119 Looks like a souped up safety pin. Yeah, it's a 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.200 souped up safety pins. So you you pierce your fish 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:48.840 parts and usually go through the the both eyes and 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:52.840 the head and then bringing the tail. So what I 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:57.359 The reason why I do that is I don't want 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.920 anything floating the top. And that's what I'm saying. When 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:05.760 and they say hanging bait, it's a misnomer, it's not. Well, 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:11.560 actually it is floating baits. So I put my bait 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.879 on the bottom of the trap so that it won't 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:16.720 float up to the top. So if you have it 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.400 on the top hanging down, then your base gonna float 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.520 up to the top. And I saw the shrimp half 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.080 to do. For the most part, trap sit on top 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.280 of the trap outside and eat so you're not catching 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.480 the amount of shrimp you could catch if you had 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:37.080 it on the bottom. And that's what I found. Yeah, 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:41.080 I'll point out I have shrimp pots and I don't 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:48.560 get a I mean, I don't get a fraction of 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:50.280 the shrimp of roskins and his pots that in the 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:56.200 same water kind of pisces me off. But that's one thing. Yeah, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:57.600 he's got a big cold you' here, he got a 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.360 cold out deer hunt. He's not used to being cold 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:06.320 and wet when you used to. Uh, did you ever 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:11.080 commercially shrimp? No? Well I had a little bit, okay, 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:17.600 and uh it was just for a couple of seasons. Yeah, 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:21.840 but it was nothing big. You know, it qualified me 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:27.880 for a pot fish free license. But for me, I'm 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:33.400 not into that. I'm not into going out running pot fish. Uh, 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.359 pot fishing. So what do you mean, it's just like 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.280 you just didn't enjoy it, well, that kind of fishing. Yeah, 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:47.280 I really, I really didn't. In the time of year 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:52.080 that they set the season for is a bummer because 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:57.640 that season there, it just happens to be executed at 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:02.760 the time when the shrimper fully egg and everybody are 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:09.480 you know that the shrimp or unise unisex, so they 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.600 both if there's such a thing as both male and 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:21.040 female orphro did it right, so they are all egg bears. Okay, 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:27.880 So visualize the time, the time of year, I start 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:32.359 shrimping in in June or July, you as personal youth 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:37.399 like subsistence use as my gathering. Yeah, I don't like 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:41.879 the word subsistence, but so I just call it the 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:46.840 use of the resource or customery and traditional use. So 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:57.920 this uh this uh shrimping. When I shrimp, maybe one 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:04.320 if that are egged. But if you come into October, 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:10.720 starting in in late September, they all become started to 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:15.280 get become an egged, and it's going to turn it 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:23.440 around to where upwards of are egged. Yeah, and it 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:27.159 bothers me that this yere is allowed to go on. 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:33.200 In fact, it was this way in British Columbia and 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:41.399 it became problemmatic h to the quantities of shrimp. I 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:47.119 mean they started dropping and they figured out why. So 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:53.280 what they did is modified their seasons too. I think 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:57.560 they start in April, so they're all spawned out. They're 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:02.720 already hatched, so you're not they can shrimp outloaded. You're 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:08.480 waiting till it's matched. And by doing that, they're having 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:13.440 a pretty good uh season down there. For for their 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:16.600 commercial guys. Another they may have been doing down there 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:21.920 is they would they wouldn't go back of fishing an 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:27.240 area until after three years gone by. So they'll fish 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:34.040 this one area let's say two thousand and one, they 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.760 won't go back to that same area until about two 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.240 thousand and four. So what they do is send their 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:44.160 fleets out to a different area. But everything rebound. Everything rebound, 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:50.200 no chance of it be becoming damaged. In everybody, all 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:55.800 of your consumer groups, whether it be commercial or personal use, 0:25:56.080 --> 0:26:02.240 or sport or anything, have a better catch rate, a 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:08.960 better success at their ability to get shrimp. So here 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:15.400 I've been I've been trying to convince uh A biologists 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:22.080 and catcher can two dropped the season down a little bit, 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:29.520 let it rebound. I've had commercial uh shrimp fishermen say 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:33.360 they should do this, they've noticed to catch declining. Well, 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.879 sure they did, and and a lot of them just 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.080 that they can't bring it upon themselves. They even go 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:43.280 out there and fish it. But does that mean it's 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.719 going to rebound. Maybe not. There's other people that come 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.040 in here and fish. Maybe they don't know there is here, 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.919 But every time a person moves in, he doesn't come 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:53.960 in with one pot, he comes into a hundred and 0:26:54.080 --> 0:27:00.520 some of them have a d permit, our license so 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:04.399 even by that, even by coming in and experimenting and 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.040 stuff like that, you're still catching fish and removing them 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.960 out that are fully eggs. So how do you describe 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.120 the area where shrimp? How do you describe area where 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.280 you like to set for shrimp? Well, like, what are 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.680 they looking for? Because it just seems almost kind of arbitrary. 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:23.840