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Speaker 1: uh Prince Wales Island. I'm here with one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite people on the planet, Mr Ron Layton. What's your

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Speaker 1: middle name? Ron? No middle name, no middle name whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: Just Ron Layton. And also Joannice, the Latvian lover who

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Speaker 1: tell us who just got himself his first sick of

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Speaker 1: blacktail box. Purely recreational hunt, not like a thing I

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Speaker 1: want to be in the hero. But but tell him

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Speaker 1: you're hunting story, honest. You know. I was retelling my

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Speaker 1: hunting story about an hour ago over here, and I

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Speaker 1: found out that I killed Jones Buck. No you did, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he did. I just told you I liked the hunt.

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Speaker 1: Down here in the lower Muskegs. We were no muskegs.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's not There are bucks all over the place.

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Speaker 1: What about the other forky that he didn't do? You

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Speaker 1: need to tell your hunting story. I snuck up through

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Speaker 1: some muskegs three nights ago. This is record. Why are

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Speaker 1: you hunting at night? Let me set the stage. Would

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Speaker 1: you like to dusk? Pre dusk we're out working on

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Speaker 1: a secret project and in the morning and at nighttime

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Speaker 1: there's a little free time, which you're honest who you

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Speaker 1: might know from his famous T shirt line, the Hunt

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Speaker 1: to Eat T shirt line. You can go to hunt

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Speaker 1: eat dot com by when he's on his T shirts

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Speaker 1: and helped make him even richard than he's already become

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Speaker 1: selling his T shirts. You should send Rohn a free

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Speaker 1: T shirt. I will um Joe would like one the

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Speaker 1: Alaska shirts on its way. So you're making an Alaska

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Speaker 1: Hunt each shirt. Okay, So so do you have any

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Speaker 1: boots to go along with that shirt? Nope, he's not

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Speaker 1: in the bootmaking business yet, just T shirt man. So

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Speaker 1: uh yann, He's been feeling some of his free time,

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Speaker 1: like the time normal people would spend going home watching TV. Afterward,

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Speaker 1: Yeani goes out and looks for blacktail box. Tell me

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Speaker 1: your story, Johnnie. I was sneaking around with bad wind.

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Speaker 1: I ended up on a little knob like you were gassy.

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Speaker 1: No bad uh. There There were no steady thermals. It

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Speaker 1: was just the wind direction kept going. How what do

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Speaker 1: you call it? Willow wa willow? That's a bad wind. Well,

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Speaker 1: the south another and then it's called the willow wa Willowa.

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Speaker 1: I had willow, and it betrayed my location to what

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Speaker 1: his bed was. That I saw then, so he was

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Speaker 1: You could feel in your bones, a single animal, you know.

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Speaker 1: He sounded heavy to swear he was bed at. He

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Speaker 1: Seemed like a buck bed. It seems like a place

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Speaker 1: you just sleep if a deer. Steve and I came

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Speaker 1: called the summiner. Do you do not name that called

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Speaker 1: righted it. That's why. Yeah, I'm gonna get to blacktail

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Speaker 1: This is dank, dark, temperate rainforest nastiness. Here's that old buck.

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Speaker 1: are they coming to look for? Ron? When they hear

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Speaker 1: don't want to blow them. They'll blow damn thing. Um Ya,

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Speaker 1: Yanni shot the buck. It was a good shot. It

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Speaker 1: was Yanni's first sick of black tail. Now, Ron, let

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Speaker 1: playing Ron you'r. Ron was born in catch Can, Alaska

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Speaker 1: many years ago Um spent his whole life doing a

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Speaker 1: Yanni just laid down a large collection of Ron's Uh,

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Speaker 1: I got a question for you, ron Uh. Before I

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Speaker 1: you have the rainforest round here, just thick ass rainforest,

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Speaker 1: It's just really hard to see. But here and there

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Speaker 1: very heavy moss and sedge in there, and it's like

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Speaker 1: the only place you actually see what's going on. Ron.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the black tails like the muskeg

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Speaker 1: the sun. And a lot of people don't realize it here,

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Speaker 1: as far as yes it is, and I've had that

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Speaker 1: stuff from the minerals, Yes, and and they do. They

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Speaker 1: within any of their boone and Crocott because introduced or

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Speaker 1: something experimental. They color experimental herd. So you know those

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Speaker 1: they come to Prince of Wales, right correct, Yes, well

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Speaker 1: they swim They were transplanted only on Atland Island in

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Speaker 1: for for elk. Yeah, but if they make it to

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Speaker 1: elk on this island, the deer tag is all you

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Speaker 1: need to hunt that elk? Is that true with you?

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Speaker 1: Should they keep making they keep liberalizing it? How much?

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Speaker 1: for non residents A hundred fifty bucks? Okay, because when

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Speaker 1: to get an elk on this island. A man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you catch me, you turn his head inside out,

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00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: turned the mantle inside out. Well that's part of part

426
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: of how you kill him. That I mean, I like

427
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: to remove the mantle as soon as possible. And and

428
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: you don't cut that meat up. I do, and I

429
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: have and I will, yes, But for the UH smoke

430
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: docks octopus in the jar just tend to use the tentacles,

431
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: which makes better texture everything everything down. So when I

432
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: when I UH, when I get that uh I put

433
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: in a bucket, you can still see even with the

434
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: head off, that tentacles are moving around. They're still trying

435
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: to crawl out of the bucket. So so after I

436
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: get back, let's say, after I get back, then what

437
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: I do is I cut away each tentacle and then

438
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: with a suction cups still on and stuff like that.

439
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: Put on my sink and then I take the hide off.

440
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: After I get the hide off, how you do that?

441
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: Boil it off or skin it off? I skin it off.

442
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: And I found that if you take and he has

443
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: a stainless steel sink there, and if it's not been

444
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: frozen or cool too much, you could put the suction

445
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: cups on there is they stick to the side, so

446
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: then you can take your other hand and pull that

447
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: hide and it stretches out quite a way. So you

448
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 1: do that in at same time you sit down there

449
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: and cut your with your knife all the way down.

450
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: It removes pretty easy. It doesn't remove everything but yet

451
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: because you have a little bit around tentacles. But I

452
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: don't want to remove that because are the suction cups.

453
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to rem me with that because I

454
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: don't want to lose any of the suction cups. That's

455
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: all part of that good part. Good part. You know,

456
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: skin each arm out, skin each other arms right be

457
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: four ft long, three ft long, right might be, but

458
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter on the size or anything like that.

459
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: It's just I want to get the skin off of it,

460
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: hied off as much as I can. Then I put

461
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: it into uh boil and water, and I bring it

462
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: back to a roll boil, and I'm talking vigorous roll boil,

463
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: and allow that to boil away and keep it in

464
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: there for about thirty minutes. And any other fish you

465
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: do this too, it's gonna tough in it or or

466
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: fault have it fall apart eventually one or the other.

467
00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: But tasty well on on the octopus there actually it

468
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: tenderizes it. So after that then I take it out

469
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 1: and then it's the time that I cut him up

470
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: into the size pieces I want. And then then we

471
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: go to a brine, and I use a dry brine.

472
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: It's four parts brown sugar to one part salt. I

473
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: don't want to use a lot of salt in there

474
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: because the octopus meat really draws a salt out faster

475
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: than any the sugar. So I go a four to

476
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: one brine. And then once that's brian enough, which doesn't

477
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: take very long, and the pieces not the whole arm,

478
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: but you gotta cut up. I gotta cut up there

479
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: already hot dog for a little kid, right, and and

480
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: that's the pieces that are going to go into the jar.

481
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: So it's already to go into the jar after smoking.

482
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: But I mean, so once you're doing that, then then

483
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: we take them out, And I say, we a wife.

484
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: My wife is either doing it or assisted me in

485
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: doing it, and uh, she is getting pretty good at it,

486
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: probably better than me. You know what, ladies are good cooks. Well,

487
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: it's true, not yours. And well you got a modern

488
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: I live in a modern family, man, you do, Yannie

489
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: lives in the modern family. I know. I think your

490
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: brother does to that he does in a modern family,

491
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: cooks more in your family. Honest, you do the most

492
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: to my wife, and I yeah, I do. Did you

493
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: know that that's how she is now around? How would

494
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: I know that? I don't know, just talking to guys like, well, yeah,

495
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: but I've I've noticed. I've noticed a little bit with

496
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: your brother when I whenever I travel North, I go

497
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: out for does their place for dinner, And yeah, he's

498
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: doing something, he's doing the cooking. But I didn't know

499
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: that was all the time. Constantly more and more dudes,

500
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: like more and more dudes nowadays, especially guys I know

501
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: the hunt, Um, they always cook. So do you think

502
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: do you think that it's the woman that is becoming

503
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: more not lazy. I wanted lazy. No, no, I wouldn't.

504
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say lazy, I would say smarter. I know

505
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: what it is. Man, Well, I don't know. I I

506
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: could cook, and I have from time to time, and

507
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: it's probably rare that I do, but sometimes I do. Um,

508
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: but I interrupted you to talk about the problem with

509
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: another problem. Actually I'm joking. I prefer it that way.

510
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: I like to cook. Uh. So you got the octopus smoked, Well,

511
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: I got talked pus section and Brian. So I take

512
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: it out of Brian and I wash it off, so

513
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: I get all of the Brian that's attached to it

514
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: off and then from there then I go out, I

515
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: put it on my smoking racks and I let it

516
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: tack up, become tacky. That's to me, that's the most

517
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: important part of smoking than any other of your brianing

518
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: or what type of what type of would you're going

519
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: to use the smoke? It's a muss. You have what's

520
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: the name of that that the pelical pelical form pelical.

521
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: So once that's for him, then you can fire up

522
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: your smoker and get it going. And we don't because

523
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be jarred. You don't want to overspoke

524
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: it because the jarring process enhances the intensity of the smoke.

525
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: So just by doing a real light smoke, Uh, you're

526
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: not trying to cook it there because you already boiled it.

527
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: It's already safe to eat, right, that's right, it's it's

528
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: safe to eat. And but you don't want to overspoke it.

529
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: It's it's a must because even your salmon, you have

530
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: to be real careful because it might look good, it

531
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: might be good to eat then, but when you go

532
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: to put it in the jars in through a pressure cooking,

533
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: it tends to really enhance that smoke flavor. And it

534
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: might even coming out there looking a little bit different,

535
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: a little bit more dark than you would like to see,

536
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: and it might be coming out a little bit more

537
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: dry than you would like to have. You think, in

538
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: a jar and stuff like that wouldn't be dry. But

539
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: I've had some come out, uh in a less desirable condition.

540
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: And well that's one of the weird that knows when

541
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: you're smoking stuff, like when you smoke, when you smoking

542
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: jar salmon, we're seeing jar the time about putting in

543
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: you like mason jars or curve it, you know what

544
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: it It really doesn't matter anymore. Now. I used to

545
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: like U or Bell Ball. Oh h yeah, I know.

546
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: I used to like I like the ball because they

547
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: had a different membrane on their ceiling jar to the

548
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: tops um then they the cur did and the cur

549
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: had more like a paper uh deal gasket like to

550
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: seal the product. And I just didn't It didn't feel

551
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: comfortable with me. So but now they're all now they're

552
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: more of the same. I think they're all they're running

553
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: all that same type rubberized membrane in there, so it's

554
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: more safe. I think that way. Well, they say, is

555
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: what North when you do when you smoked octopus, and

556
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: when you smoke some of your salmon and jar it,

557
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: you have like a like there's air in the jar,

558
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: not air, but there's a vacuum. I mean, it's not

559
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: full of liquid. So you could take your smoke doctopus

560
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: and rattle that ship around like a like a rattle

561
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: inside there. Yes, and you don't need any liquid in there.

562
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: And if that's one thing good about the jar. And

563
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: I started using jars, and it was by accident. I

564
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: used to use cans, steel cans, steel cans, and then

565
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: had to go through and use the tour can seiler. Yeah,

566
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: my brother Danny has on those few. I ran out,

567
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: I ran low on cans one time and I still

568
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: had some fish, so I had some jars and lids

569
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: and I put them in there and I pressure cooked

570
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: him in the same batch, mixed them, intermixed them, put

571
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: them in there, run them through it. But I noticed

572
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: something that I probably would never have noticed because of

573
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: that because now it's the same heat, the same length

574
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: of time, everything, but the product came out of the

575
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: jar a lot better than out of the camp. And

576
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: when I seen that, I opened up can in a jar. Yeah,

577
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: and I put him out and it's it was obviously different,

578
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: a different texture, different flavor, everything, and the jars were

579
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: a lot better. So I used so I started, Yeah,

580
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: I went and I switched to it now. Also, the

581
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: jar is what they call South Anny, and a lot

582
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: of people don't realize it. On that can sealer, you

583
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: have the numbers. So what you're supposed to do as

584
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: you go and you set that uh numbering sequence there,

585
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: run your can and seal it to the first portion

586
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: to the number two, take it out so aside, do

587
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: the next one. Now you have to back it up

588
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: to one again and do that and keep on doing

589
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: this until you get enough. Then you run it through

590
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: your pressure cooker for about and reach your ten pound

591
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: pressure uh and bring it up for about oh maybe

592
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 1: ten minutes. Then shut your pressure cooker down, take those

593
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: cans out. Now you have to handle them when they're hot.

594
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: Then you start from the number two infinny ceiling them.

595
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: That's how that works. That's how it's supposed to work.

596
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: Nobody uses that, nobody understands why. But that's part of

597
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: the venting process. In other words, if you run your

598
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: seiler through number one and then run on to number two,

599
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: you're not allowing that that canned event properly. So that's

600
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: why they do it that way. That's why it's recommended

601
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: that way. So on a jar it's automatic itself any

602
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: and that's a lot of reason why it's a better product.

603
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: And I took one down to one of the local

604
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: fish processing processing plants and catch again one of my

605
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: jars down glass jar that was full salmon, sam you know,

606
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: sock in it. And I asked, a god, did you

607
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: catch sky here? Are there any runs around here? So

608
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: runs on the island there are, yes, there are several

609
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: in various states of whether they're out fished or over

610
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: fished and stuff. And most of your streams, mostly all

611
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: the stream sky streams are taken a hit. They have

612
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: taken a hit. Yeah, it's they they really need. They're

613
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: in bad need of some type of enhancement program or

614
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: back off from the commercial fisheries. I think are our

615
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: fisheries in Alaska. And I'm getting off the subject again.

616
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: It's tough to stay on it, but I'll bring you back. Well.

617
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: Our fishery in Alaska, the border fish. The court ruled

618
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: year about nineteen I think it was eighty something a

619
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: D four maybe sometime in that area. That the Board

620
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,479
Speaker 1: of Fish has also been authority since that ruling came down.

621
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: The Board of Fish does not have to listen to biologists.

622
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: So if the biologists comes out and say, don't open this,

623
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna hurt and damage that resource, they don't have

624
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: to listen to them. And I have to ask because

625
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of all their interests all have their ear

626
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: well they might be like serving other interests. Yeah whatever, No, no,

627
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: that's true, and uh, and I think that's what happened.

628
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: Another important thing about this is that they have one

629
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: Board a Fish in Alaska and it will meet down

630
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: in Southeast Alaska once every three years. So you have

631
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: three regions, so you have the Western, Central, and Southeast.

632
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: So at any given time, and this is this is

633
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: the problem. At any given time, anybody that the majority

634
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: of the people voting on open opening or a closure

635
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: of a fish season, they're not stakeholders, so it's easy

636
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: for them to say, well, it's not gonna affect me. Yeah,

637
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: go ahead and open it. I'll vote the way you

638
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: want me to. And that I think is the worst

639
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: thing we have going for us. So I've made suggestions

640
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: on all levels of government to do away with this

641
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: here statewide board of Fish and go regional. Have a

642
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: Board of Fish just for the Southeast region. That way,

643
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: you have people that have a stake in it, and

644
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: everybody local expertise, local expertise, local knowledge, and they have

645
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: a stake in it. And not only that, if they

646
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: make the bad decision, they can't blame it on somebody

647
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: up north, you know, and maybe they'll make a better

648
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: decision that way. But when you have two thirds of

649
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: that board voting on it that aren't even from the area,

650
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: it's easy for them to say yeah, but they voted

651
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah. See I had nothing to say about it.

652
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't me in other words, So yeah, and I'd

653
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: like to get that fixed. So we're going to go

654
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: back to wet again. I want, so I bring my

655
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: your canna sok salmon. I bought my cannasake salmon to

656
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: the local. You caught and smoked yourself, caught and can yourself,

657
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: that's crewe. Yeah, And it wasn't in a jar. And

658
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: I was curious. And there's a way. They have a

659
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: method in there to check at any given time the

660
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: pressure in a camp or the suction in the camp.

661
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: I think they call it the mercury pressure. So I

662
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: asked the fella there if he could test us. He

663
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: sall yeah, yeah, and he says, did you do this

664
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: at home? Yes? Well, and then he went through a

665
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: big speech. He says, well, I'll tell you what do

666
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: you guys, we have special equipment here, and our equipment

667
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: is that just before that can is sealed, we have

668
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: a vacuum that vacuums out all the air. So we'll

669
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: get nine pounds of mercury pressure in a camp and

670
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: that's all you're gonna get is about three pounds maybe

671
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: at the most three and a half. I says, okay,

672
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: could you check mine though? Yeah, So you went in

673
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: and checked it, put the pin in, you know, into

674
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: the lid, and it went right away to twenty nine

675
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: mercury and which is three times? What is this? What

676
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: theirs is? And he was puzzled. You did this at home?

677
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, amazing, we want to get nine

678
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: pounds and you got twenty What is what? Why is

679
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: it more pounds? You just got it because I, like

680
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: I said, and I'll reiterate, the jarring method is self vending.

681
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: So when it's self vending, it gets that to a

682
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: precise vending thing. It's not a guess. It's not a

683
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: vacuumine out. It's actually in there, in it it. As

684
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: it heats, it really eases all the air in there,

685
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: and then when it collapses and seals, it's perfect. It's yeah,

686
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: it's as well as you're going to get vented. Did

687
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: you ever jar Do you ever? Uh? Jar halbot? Canon

688
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: jar Helbot? I've canned and jarred both helibate, Yes, now

689
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: you okay, you've always fish halibut m hmm. Yeah. However,

690
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: did you call your first Albert when I caught my

691
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: first halibut, I think I was about eight eight and

692
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: a half something like that maybe, um, yeah, I just

693
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: was eight. Um. So I was down at New England

694
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: fish docks. I was down there to cut halibate cheeks.

695
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: And let me explain that what that means, why you

696
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: were doing that and what that means. Well, I went

697
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: down to cut helibate cheeks so I could just sell

698
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: them to the rest round. So we used to go

699
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: down there and cut about twenty pounds of alibut cheeks

700
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: to day and then go around the restaurants and sell

701
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: it to them for fifty cents a pound. And they

702
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: are a tickle pink with it because they get number one.

703
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: They get it delivered, it's very fresh, and the price

704
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: was right in the cannary. They weren't using the cheeks

705
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: at that time. No, they were not, So you can

706
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: just go and dude didn't care. You just dig through

707
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: their pile fish carcasses and caught the cheeks out right.

708
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: And I don't I think to this day they're not

709
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: using them. I think to this day they're not not.

710
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: I can't be certain of that, but I know back

711
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: when I was longlining that they wouldn't pay you for

712
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: the head. So when they wait, wager hallibit, they removed

713
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: the head. So they're actually not buying the head from you.

714
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: So the head belongs to you. They leave the collar

715
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: around the fish, but caught it from the gilt cover

716
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: forward right right, and and so that head really, uh,

717
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: it belongs to you. And after I'm done, I might

718
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: have a couple of toads are full of heads. So

719
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: I just alert somebody and that I talked to the

720
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: VFW to go down there and have them cut the

721
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: alibut cheeks and stuff like that, and maybe they could.

722
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: When you were long lining, you do that right now,

723
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: This is when I was long lining. But when you

724
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: were a kid, you'd go down and cut the cheeks out.

725
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: How many pounds did you cut out? Twenty pounds a day? Uh,

726
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: that's how long did that take? Well, it didn't take long.

727
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: I mean we didn't have the best knives either, but

728
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, so I I'd bring a pairing knife from

729
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: home and get down there and get it done, and

730
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: then you make your rounds to the restaurants to catch

731
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: can Then we started down and make a rounds and

732
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: most of the time we sold them out, what would

733
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: you get for fifty cents a pound? So I make

734
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: ten dollars a day. What did you do with the money. Well,

735
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: that's another thing there. I bring it to where my

736
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: mother charge their groceries, and I just walked in there

737
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: and give him ten bucks. Stay here. But this is

738
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: on my mom's accun. I used to bring it. I

739
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: used to bring it home. I used to bring it

740
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: home to my mother. And that was back when bingo started.

741
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: You know bingo? Yeah, you know Bengo. Yeah. And the

742
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: funny thing about that is that Bingo was first introduced

743
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: in the catch can by the churches two so to

744
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: help them raise funds, and so it started out one

745
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: day a week, and then another church will bring it on,

746
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: so there's two days a week. Then another church it's

747
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: three days a week, and then somebody else would want

748
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: to bring it on, and they'd have Bengo and catch

749
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: Can six days a week. And when they start that Bengo,

750
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: it's at seven clock it starts. But my mother and

751
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: everybody else would say, no, no, I want to get

752
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: the best seat, and I want to go down and

753
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: get the best cards, because they picked her own cards

754
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: and they like combination numbers on our cards, so they

755
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: get down here a good hour ahead of time, so

756
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: they're leaving right when dinner should be. So the church

757
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: has helped remove the family from a home y, you know.

758
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: And and that upset me a little bit there, because

759
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: one time a week is not bad, but turned into five,

760
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: six times a week, it's bad. And then my mother

761
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: was really stretching it to pay her charge building at

762
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: the deal, and I heard her, oh, I don't know

763
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: how I'm going to do this. But everything that I got,

764
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: every nickel diamond I could scrounge up or whatever I

765
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: used bring home here. Well, it wasn't doing me any good.

766
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: I was just supplying her habit to go to Bingo.

767
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: So I'm not talking down on my mother, but that

768
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: was I could see where it was a problem, and

769
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: I really did. He dearly loved my mother and she

770
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: was the best lay lady on earth. But I realized

771
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: that I got to do something different, so I started

772
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: bringing home. I just go down to the grocery store.

773
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: I knew the owner and I trusted him. Of course,

774
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: there was no no receipts had given. I didn't even

775
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: know what a receipt should have been here but it

776
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: saw my mom's account and I had had it. He'd yeah,

777
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: he passed away when I, uh, when I was seven,

778
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: and there were six of us, so it was tough

779
00:53:54,560 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: uh time. And but my mother it was also tough,

780
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: and uh she kept the house together for the most part.

781
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: You know, that's a lot. That's a lot to put

782
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: on someone. It's a lot, yeah, and we I think

783
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: we were very blessed and fortunate that my stepfather came

784
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: along and they fell in love and got married and

785
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: they had one other child after that. But that's that's

786
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: a lot of burden, you know. I mean, it's something

787
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: else you get married, but get married with six kids already.

788
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: A lot of guys were in the art direction, man,

789
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: I know. So anyway it worked out, it worked out good.

790
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: And uh, I've I've been through and involved in fishing

791
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: and stuff like that for a long time and I

792
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: can remember talk about that. Hell but then when you

793
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: were caught in cheeks, oh yeah, So I was looking around.

794
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to go ahead and put a line down

795
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: over the doctor. So I started looking around the New

796
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: England cantry for a hook, and I was finding all

797
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: the hooks. Most of the hooks they didn't have a

798
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: a circle in them like hook sports hooks to. These

799
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: were all flat and that's how they tied them on to.

800
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, there's no eye in the hook. There was

801
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: no eye. And I got to like smell it on there, right,

802
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: And I was young, and I didn't know anything about that.

803
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: I knew how to operate a hook, you know, with

804
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: a circle in it, tying out there, but that I didn't.

805
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure it out. So eventually I looked around

806
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 1: and I found woman was already tied and I tied

807
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: a knot in that, and then I found some other line,

808
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: uh long enough to wear it will go down and

809
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: just right on the bottom off the dock of the cantry,

810
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: off the dock of the can Henry. I wasn't thinking.

811
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: I mean, so I'm down there and I tied it

812
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: off on a big cleat and they had these big

813
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: boat cleats. So I tied it off air went and

814
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: cut the aliba cheeks and everything like that. And when

815
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: I was done and went back, I grabbed that line

816
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: and something heavy on it and I started pulling it

817
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: and started jerking back and my brother was with me,

818
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: and we pulled that thing to the surface and I said,

819
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: that is too big. Now I'm looking down at this

820
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: and it's a good forty ft drop from the dock

821
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: down to the water. So there's no way are we

822
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: going to get this halibit, which, as near as I

823
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: can remember, I mean from what I know, it was

824
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: probably a two pound hello, So there's no way. So

825
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: I let it go back down and I ran and

826
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: I found the superintendent and I said, hey, I got

827
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: a big hell of it online down here, and I

828
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm gonna do to get it. I mean,

829
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: can you help us? So he went down there and

830
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: we brought it up, and he's seen how big it was,

831
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: so whoa wait a minute, you know, So he goes

832
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: rigs up one of these uh totes they had a rope,

833
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: toote and stuff, and put it down. This was made

834
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: out of wood and but big enough to handle that

835
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: hell but for sure. And he had a big crane

836
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: to do this with, you know, and everything. So that's

837
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: how we did it, and then we brought it back up.

838
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: He's operating that and he has a dip down in

839
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: such a way so that when we got up we

840
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: could just pull it and slide it right into it

841
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: and it landed in there and he brought it up.

842
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: I can't I can't tell you. I can't remember how

843
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: much I got for the hell a but but that's

844
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: the first fish I sold. There wasn't a bunch of

845
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: money though, well it was, and I can't I can't

846
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: remember how much. Okay, so but it seems to me

847
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: like it was maybe twenty But that's that's a lot

848
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: of money for me. For me anyway, So that was

849
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: a good day. I had by ten dollars and for

850
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: the cheeks and plus the hellibit deal. But that was good.

851
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: And what when did you start? Like, because you did

852
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: it several seasons of commercial halibut fishing? Right, I started

853
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: there Joan and I bought they also uh in uh

854
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: and that was when I went out trolling and then

855
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: also long trolling for salmon. Right, well, how does the

856
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: long line? How's the halibut long line work? Like? How's

857
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: the commercial halibut fishery work? I mean just the mechanics

858
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: that catching the fish? Well, like how would you guys

859
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: get him? You know, like just like the actual fishing

860
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: part of it. We had we were running snap on gear.

861
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: It's a skate I had eighteen skates. Each skate i'd say,

862
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: is a thousand feet long. And how many hooks you

863
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: clip on that thing, It depends on how close you

864
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: want to clip them on. But for the most part,

865
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: I it slefts my mind. How many purp there's an

866
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: awful lot of hooks. And then you let us soak,

867
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: you try to pick go back. You set that thing

868
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: down like you got the anchor, like you're running on

869
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: the bottom, it's not hanging suspended, right, anchor on the bottom.

870
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: Then a thousand feet of line with hooks, another anchor

871
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: on the other end, and then a line goes out

872
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: to your booty. Actually, when you run on my run,

873
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: about maybe six or seven skates skates all in one rowe.

874
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 1: So you have six or seven thousand feet of hooks

875
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: down there over a mile, all right, at what depth?

876
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: The whole variety of depths? Well, actually, yeah, it's gonna

877
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: be a whole variety of depths speak stretch that long.

878
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: It's all the same. Well, you'd be surprised sometimes out

879
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: there there there are some of them like that. But

880
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: for the most part, yeah, Well you can bait for

881
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: with several things. Um I I wish we could bait

882
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: with salmon. But and maybe some people do. Now you

883
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: could buy it. You could buy salmon if you could

884
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: get it, you know, I mean there are certain people

885
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: that have the ability to get salmon. There's other people,

886
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: you know. They have to settle for herring. You settle

887
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: for hearing. You have to brian it because they just

888
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: picked that ship or off the hook. Yeah, that's right.

889
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: And then then then you can get squid. What does

890
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: it brine? Do you know, Harry, We've been using their brine.

891
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: Like I take the herring out, you know, when you

892
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: buy them in the box or buy them in those

893
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: little trades. I take them out for donald layer. Are

894
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: you cream salt or rock salt? Put down a layer herring? Salt?

895
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: Herring salt? Herring? Don't? I don't think it messes. I mean,

896
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: they still smell nice, they're still oily, but they just

897
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: don't rot as fast. Man. They stay really nice, and

898
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: they get leathery after a while, but they still I

899
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: don't think. I mean, I'm not a alibet, but in

900
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: my opinion, I think even by salting them, they fish better.

901
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: Also because what it does, it concentrates, it shrinks it down,

902
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: takes some moisture out of it and yet more oilier.

903
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: So they really said oil off more than that. Yeah,

904
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: And then of course you know you get a hit

905
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: on a smaller fish and stuff on an area's not

906
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 1: scripting your bait off as fast. But so and which

907
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: is something that you want them? So you could not

908
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: you like, you didn't were able to use just salmon

909
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: bellies or flames cut up into strips. You guys, you squid,

910
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: you could, you could. You could use that, like I say,

911
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: if you get there at the right time and stuff.

912
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: But I wasn't moxy enough to a lot of the guys,

913
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: A lot of the guys that fish at our sayers themselves.

914
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: So they'd go out at the end of the season,

915
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: they'd get the best of the chum they could, and

916
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: they would freeze their own bait. Yeah, so they'd have

917
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: their own uh freeze locker at the at at the

918
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: cool stories or whatever. And these are the guys that

919
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: have been in it for a long time and they

920
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: know and they're they're fishing big time other fisheries. So

921
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: it's what you know. So you were using primarily herring

922
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: and squid, yeah, primarily, But that's at times I could

923
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: find and locate some plibate are not hell but excuse

924
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: me salmon, but it's it's uh, it's something that you

925
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: had to really look for and get ahead of time.

926
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,959
Speaker 1: And of course, where am I gonna freeze a bunch

927
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: of this bait? You know, because you need a huge volume.

928
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm a huge volume at bait. You know, hundreds of

929
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: hooks and thousands of hooks. Yeah, so you run that

930
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: thing out and you'd get all those hooks laying along

931
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 1: the bottom at what from what depth? To what depth? Well?

932
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: I like to write right around a hundred fathoms six

933
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: ft of water? Yeah, it is your fish way deeper

934
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: than sport fisherman or fishing for the both part, for

935
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: the most part, Yeah, I don't I don't know. And

936
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: we fish halibut half that depth or even a third. Yeah. Yeah,

937
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: Well your reels probably don't have enough line to get

938
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: down and it's just get way issues and current issues

939
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: and you know, your bolts over one place and your

940
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 1: apples ds away because the current. So how long would

941
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: you let that thing soaked in? You don't want to

942
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: her for rule of thumb, you don't want to let

943
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: us soak any more than six hours because the sea lights. Yeah,

944
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: you have sea lice problems. And if you get too

945
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: much sea life lice in there, you're gonna have an

946
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: issue that it's going to be no more number one grade,

947
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: it's going to meet the number two. And the prices

948
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: really dropped drastically if they see those lights on the fish. Yeah,

949
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: And I went in. I went in to deliver my

950
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: load one time and I went up and the sky here,

951
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: so that's number two. So I grabbed it. I got

952
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: my flight knife out and I played the thing out

953
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: and everything and laid that flash down there and says,

954
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: where why is this number two? Well, let's around the

955
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: outer fins there it's eating away. Do you sell those fins? Yeah? No,

956
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: Well again, why is this number two? So he had

957
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: to give me number number one price? But what he

958
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: didn't give me a number one price on? I said, okay, fine,

959
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: I'll bring it back down the boat. Then, oh, you're

960
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: not gonna sell it? And I said no, I'd rather

961
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: give it away, didn't get screwed by you. I'd feel better.

962
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: So that's what that's what I would do. Ye know,

963
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: how many like when you pull it up, how many

964
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: helbet might be on there? Again? How many might you

965
01:05:49,520 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: deal with in a day m hm oh maybe roughly

966
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: around maybe individual fish, right, and and then that day

967
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: in a day, you're going to say in a day,

968
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: but we have a twenty four hour open and we're

969
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: fishing around the clock, or you might only get twenty

970
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: four hours to do it. Well, that's what it was.

971
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: They had some some openings were forty eight hours, but

972
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: most of most of the last ones were twenty four

973
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: Your whole season, yeah, well twice a year twenty four

974
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: let's put it that way. But yes, and you can

975
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: keep a boat and maintain a boat, and maintain a

976
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: license and maintain all the gear in order to fish

977
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: forts Well again you're you're you're also fishing your boat

978
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: is fishing to other fisheries, okay, but for the most part, no,

979
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to and if you're only fishing

980
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: long line in hall of it because the season is

981
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: too too short. So they had you come in and

982
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: go and it just I don't know who was doing

983
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: the selection as to what day the opening would be,

984
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: but whoever that was was very accurate on picking it

985
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: the worst possible time of the year because of the weather.

986
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: So the last Haliban opening that we had that I

987
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: fished and the last one we that was pad, I

988
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: mean they quit after that went to I f Q.

989
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: I was fishing uh west side of Forest dr Island,

990
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: and the both Canadian US weather said that I was

991
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: blown thirty five knots when we put uh later a gear.

992
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: But we did it because both Canadian and US said

993
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: that the wind was supposed to subside. I had and

994
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: dropped back. Well, it didn't increased. It went up to

995
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: fifty and which made it almost impossible to get out

996
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: there and fish. I mean fifty knots twenty ft seas

997
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: you know it's but but yet yeah, I feel you

998
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: have to. But while we're out there, one of my

999
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: deck hands actually I popped the hydraulllet cles and when

1000
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: that happens, your deck becomes extremely unsafe and and slippery,

1001
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: so because it's hydraulic fluid, right, So I just pulled

1002
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: everybody into the wheelhouse and we went in into the

1003
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: lee of the Forest R Island there and cleaned tried

1004
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: to clean that up and fix the hydraullt holes, but

1005
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: tried to clean the deck up. I mean, we've done

1006
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: a pretty good job on it. But while we were

1007
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: out there. The one guy them my crew members slipped

1008
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: and said he heard his back and he didn't really

1009
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: look really really good. I mean he had some discomfort,

1010
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: it was obvious and his pulse. So got a hold

1011
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: of the coast guard, let them know, and they came

1012
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: down to the island with the plane tree and I

1013
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: could see him there. But they wouldn't get within a

1014
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: mile of the island. They're afraid of the rocks or

1015
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: something like that. But I tried to explain to him,

1016
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: he comes straight in, you bring that ship right into

1017
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: me if you want. But they didn't want to do it.

1018
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: So they launched a hard bottom rubber dinghy and I

1019
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: cast him when they come up because during the blow

1020
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, I ripped off a rubb rail

1021
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: on the starboard side of my vessel, so there was

1022
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: some exposed uh screws that were in there, and stuf

1023
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: off and I told him, you come up on my

1024
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: starboard side, you're gonna get a whole pope poked in

1025
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: your boat. And I said, come onto my port side.

1026
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: What do they do? They come on my starboard side

1027
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: and it's rocking and rolling out there, and there they

1028
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 1: brought out their corman or whoever he was. But he

1029
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: done some check in and it was his idea that

1030
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: they were going to go and air meta acam just

1031
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: sit you And I says, okay, but you're not going

1032
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: to take him in that hard bottomed skiff for you.

1033
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: And they sees back to your boat with a bad

1034
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: back or damaged back, injured back. Oh no, we'll do

1035
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: that nice as now I could take the all soul

1036
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: going to lee of the your ship, then we do

1037
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: the transfer in the lee. Means your ship doesn't want

1038
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: to come here in here to get into the lee

1039
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: of the island. So anyway, I couldn't talk him out

1040
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: of that. And uh so that's what they did, and

1041
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: they ever met a act um off. All this time

1042
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: it was taken. I was having to be laid up

1043
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: and stuff. And so by that time we're done there,

1044
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 1: and I went out and I had just enough time

1045
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: to get all my gear pulled in and I didn't

1046
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: have enough time to reset, because yeah, it was the

1047
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: whole day all right, And I was right down. I

1048
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: mean I went right down to the wire. I get

1049
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,799
Speaker 1: my last skate on board. I mean it was close,

1050
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: because they're pretty sticklish about that. And if you're flying

1051
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: over and you're still pulling gear. After that's down, they'll

1052
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: they'll side you. Is that your last year doing it?

1053
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 1: That was my last year doing it, and all of

1054
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: the years and I fished, they didn't count that towards

1055
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: an i f Q. In fact, I think they stopped counting.

1056
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: That's the quota system, right, that's I uh, individual fishing data,

1057
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: so like just for listeners, like rather than a lot

1058
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: of fisheries have gone to this. They used to have

1059
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: these gang busters seasons where they opened it for some

1060
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 1: set time, like Ron saying regardless of whether if you

1061
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: want to make a play, you gotta go out and

1062
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: do it when they say they go do it later.

1063
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: They came up with a system, much safer system. I'm

1064
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 1: sure there's cons to it, but one of the pros

1065
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: is much safer because you'll tell a vessel it's licensed

1066
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: what he's allowed to catch, and he's more at his

1067
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: leisure to catch it. Let me know another important faction

1068
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: to that too is when they went to this system,

1069
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: I normally fished up through at Coronation Island. When they

1070
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: went to the individual quota. No before that, that was

1071
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 1: my normal spot. The only reason why I went to

1072
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: Forester Island. As my brother Ivan, he was on board

1073
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: and he says, we gotta try that, we gotta go

1074
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: out there. It's gonna be good. Buh. Well it wasn't.

1075
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: But for the most part, I fished up there at

1076
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: Coronation Island. And it's my belief that when they went

1077
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: to the individual quota system, they use your fish tickets

1078
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: to establish amount of quota you're gonna get, okay, and

1079
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: each fish ticket also puts down what area you got

1080
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: your fish from, So most of the guys would go

1081
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: to their same area over and over. They're they're comfortable

1082
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: that way because they know by going to new areas

1083
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, you can get into all kinds

1084
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: of problems and stuff like that, not not knowing that

1085
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 1: there is coral trees down there and you're gonna damage

1086
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: and ruin a lot of gear and may possibly lose them.

1087
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: So it's good that you go back to your same

1088
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: area because you know, okay, it's free of coral, and

1089
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: the halibut are there and uh several things and not

1090
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: a lot of by catch. So that's that's what you

1091
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: gotta watch for. Two. You know, I mean, the only

1092
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: allows to keep like ten percent by catch on your

1093
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: yellow eye or your link d So if you get

1094
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: into a lot of them when you first start, how

1095
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 1: much are you going to keep? You know, so you

1096
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: have to discard it all right, because you don't know.

1097
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: I mean they have this here magic number, you know,

1098
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: and back then, back then, they didn't have the safeguards

1099
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: or a way of or or a procedure or or

1100
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: a law stating that. Okay, now I think they have

1101
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: to go ahead and at least bring him back down

1102
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: or to have a way of removing the air of

1103
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: yellow eyes stomach so that has has survivor ability after

1104
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: being cut drastically increased. So like uh, yellow eye, yellow eye,

1105
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,839
Speaker 1: rock fish and rock fish along with some other species

1106
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 1: don't have a good way of regulating for pressure. So

1107
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 1: when you're fishing in even of water two of water,

1108
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: and you catch a yellow eye and their bottom fish

1109
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,759
Speaker 1: and you crank them up in a hurry to the surface,

1110
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: by the time he gets the surface, he's cashed out.

1111
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's got like his stomach hanging out of

1112
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 1: his mouth because there's swim bladder erupts with the alleviation

1113
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: of pressure and shoves it out of their mouth. For

1114
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: that reason, you're not supposed to size grade uh rock fish.

1115
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to You're not allowed to be like, oh,

1116
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: I'll hang on to him and keep or I'll throw

1117
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: him back and keep fishing, because the thinking is you're

1118
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: gonna kill the thing. For a long time, people would

1119
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: take a needle and and try to puncture that swim bladder,

1120
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: and you can do it if done right, you can

1121
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: do it and let the pressure out and put the

1122
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: fish back. But people tend to puncture the stomach, which

1123
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,759
Speaker 1: is fatal for the fish. So now there's these released

1124
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: devices we've been messing around with him where you pull

1125
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: that fish up, you put this release device on there

1126
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: and send that something gun right back to the bottom.

1127
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: And apparently you have very high success survivor raids doing that.

1128
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: But still even with that, you can't size grade rock fish.

1129
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: Like if you catch one and you're gonna continue fishing

1130
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: rock fish, that fish goes in the boat. You don't

1131
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: throwing back and continue to fish. I think you're noting

1132
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: too yellow eye. As a non resident. I'm allowed too

1133
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: yellow eye annually one a day to annually. But you

1134
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: guys would get big hauls of them. But in a

1135
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: commercial deal, and I was fishing up there and I

1136
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: got in close too close to the rock one time,

1137
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: big mistake, and I got a massive amount a yellow

1138
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: eye and link good. So I moved away from there

1139
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: fast because I didn't like what I was seeing. You know,

1140
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you're discarding, you have discarded back and they're

1141
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: all floating. Some of them for whatever reason, uh could

1142
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: go back down, but for the most part they're just

1143
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: sitting there floating till they're done or tell some critters

1144
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: get them or eagle or whatever. But I didn't feel

1145
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,560
Speaker 1: good about that, so I'd move off of it, avoid

1146
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: that area as much as possible. But um as I

1147
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: knew what I was catching and stuff like that, then

1148
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: I felt comfortable with keeping them on board so that

1149
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't don't go over that ten percent because when

1150
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: you go over it then they could find you, and

1151
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: the finds a pretty steep and uh you had you

1152
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: had a lot of people viewing this uh fishery, so

1153
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 1: that when I go into the port and I'm eventually

1154
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 1: get under the hoist to be offloaded, then they'd have

1155
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: somebody from using the coast guard or somebody in there

1156
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: with ah. You know that with a type deal where

1157
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: they use the measure of your feet when you go

1158
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: get a new pair of shoes. Well, they had that

1159
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: set up, and they had it set up at thirty

1160
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: two inches and under ideal conditions and stuff like that

1161
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: that pull it through. Well with that halibit didn't meet that,

1162
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: then you're fine. So also you're you're supposed to turn

1163
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 1: out any how, but under two is supposed to be

1164
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: out with the cap on the top end for egg

1165
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: bearing females, like we're allowed to keep three pound halibit.

1166
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: You were allowed to keep them at back then. Um

1167
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: and right now, I've been out so long, I don't know,

1168
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what what what their limit is on

1169
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: the high end, but this, uh the system here when

1170
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: they went when when they go in they closely you know,

1171
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean like say you're sixteenth of an inch under

1172
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: you know they'll get you. But so I just put

1173
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: a mark on it thirty two and a quarter. Oh yeah,

1174
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, let's let's face it, I'm not

1175
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,080
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna waste that. Your your tossed and

1176
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: you're turning. You don't have the best light. You've been

1177
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: up for already maybe forty hours, you know, without sleep

1178
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: because you have that baiting getting ready going fishing, so

1179
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of things in your favor

1180
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: for getting it right or very accurate. So to be

1181
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: on the safe side, they just marked a quarter inch

1182
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: over um right, and they do they closely do that.

1183
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean they'll sit down there and have two or

1184
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: three people there with her to tow measuring device. And

1185
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: so how many years did you do that for? I

1186
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: just I just did it for the three three four years.

1187
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 1: Make money? You did? You made money, but you didn't

1188
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: you didn't get rich. I mean you made it. You

1189
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: Let's put it this way. I always made expenses. But

1190
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: uh and even on that trip that I only had

1191
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 1: one pull, you know, but that again was you know,

1192
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: it happened. So when you went when you quit doing

1193
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: that and you went back to just fishing and halb

1194
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: but with the rod and real did it feel funny?

1195
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: Like did it feel like because here you are catching

1196
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: hundreds of halbitt and also you're back out just a

1197
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: guy catching halbit for his own freezer. No, it didn't

1198
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: feel funny because I was doing that before I went

1199
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: long lining, you know, So I've always I've always fisted

1200
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: rod and reel, you know. So yeah, it was easy

1201
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: to get back into it that way. But did you

1202
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: miss the commercial stuff for you just done with it? No?

1203
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 1: At times they did, but they had it so goofed up.

1204
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't, you know. I didn't miss probably as much

1205
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: as I would have if everything was going rosy and fine.

1206
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: But going out there and they're there, they're fishery. You know,

1207
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: though the fish the Halibate is monitored and controlled under treaty.

1208
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: So you have a treaty with Canada and the United

1209
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: States on that on the Halibu that is caught within

1210
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: their waters, right within their water and our so, uh,

1211
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: we don't have to say over what the season is

1212
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: going to be or anything like that. I mean, you

1213
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: could probably put in a suggestion to the North Pacific

1214
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 1: Fisheries Management or the Halibate Commission. But how far that

1215
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: is that going to go? You know, how many years

1216
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: did you do salmon? For? It's about about the same

1217
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: a little longer, um. But I seen Handwright do on

1218
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: the wall. Uh things well with regards to the price

1219
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 1: that I was getting at the h cold storage or

1220
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: the Canaries for hooks not nets. You're trolling salmon, right,

1221
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: But but you're you're sitting down there and they're giving

1222
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: the same price over and over and over again. The

1223
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: price never seemed to fluxuate very much. It did at

1224
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: the beginning of season, and if you were, if you

1225
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: were fishing winter kings, the prices were up then. And

1226
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: I I never did go up travel I was I

1227
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: was going to try to go up to sit and

1228
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: fish that out of there for winter kings because of

1229
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: the price, you get a better price, or you get

1230
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: a more fairer price. And I don't to this day,

1231
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: I wonder why it didn't follow through. Why why shouldn't

1232
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: there be a good price for king salmon all season?

1233
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: And you fish kings around here? You fish kings around

1234
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: here instead around Yeah, around Prince Welles Island. You know,

1235
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: the West coast was my favorite spot for kings. That's

1236
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: where I done most of my fishing. How was the season?

1237
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 1: How many days a year were you doing at? Well?

1238
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: The kings season fluctuated, Uh for the amount that was allocated,

1239
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: and UH it varied. It went went between two days

1240
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: to five days opening season, um, and then after that

1241
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: that would close down. You'd go ahead and fish coho

1242
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: for a while. Even that would close down for a

1243
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:56,560
Speaker 1: short period of time in August. You know. So you

1244
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: had your various fishings, but the one thing that was

1245
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: discouraged and to me is that all your gear prices,

1246
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: your fuel prices, your oils prices, your hydraulic fluids, all

1247
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: your part prices, everything was always going up, always going

1248
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: up with costs of living, everything like that. It increased

1249
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: moving up, but your salmon never seemed to increase that

1250
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: much that fast. So it was costing the fisherman. Uh

1251
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: you were losing a lot by that because of the

1252
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: prices for the fish that you were getting. It was

1253
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: remaining at a certain level, the same level. And uh

1254
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: so ices. Now this isn't for me. I just I'm

1255
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: not one that I like to be taking advantage of.

1256
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to hang in there allow it

1257
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: to happen. You know. Um it's just me. Did you

1258
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: buy the l sold just for those that purpose to

1259
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 1: do hel but and do salmon? That's correct. Yes, I

1260
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: got into it. I always wanted to go back and

1261
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: do try commercial and uh I did you know I

1262
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 1: I started commercial fishing with my grandfather yea, when I

1263
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: was about eight. And uh he always fished the West

1264
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: coast and he was always the first one out last

1265
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 1: one in. So I went out there and he showed

1266
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: me how to gil and got him and ice him

1267
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 1: and everything. That was my job. And it was a hot,

1268
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: hot day then, I mean the time of year. I

1269
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: was like, sort of like what we we've we've had

1270
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: here this summer hard to a breeze and it's down

1271
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:58,560
Speaker 1: there and you're out there getting redouble reflection from the

1272
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: water up in your it, and it really whammed with that.

1273
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: And I'd go down below after up there getting them

1274
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: and gilling them and gutting them and getting enough, and

1275
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 1: then I go down below the ice m and as

1276
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: I was down below there, it's just nice and cool, pleasant.

1277
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 1: And when I was down there, I noticed three or

1278
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: four coils of line back in the back underneath the

1279
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: poop deck there, and I said, that's uh, it looks

1280
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 1: almost like a hammock. I figured, you know, So I

1281
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 1: hopped up there. I hopped up there and lay down

1282
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: and see how comfortable it was. Well, I fell asleep,

1283
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:45,560
Speaker 1: and the fish starts stacking up. My grandfathers so he

1284
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: went and looked down on the fish hoold. He didn't

1285
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: see me there, so I figured I was in the forecastles.

1286
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: So he went down the foecastle I wasn't there, came

1287
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: back yellowed out of the fishhold. I didn't answer, so

1288
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: he put the dreaded call out to the fleet that

1289
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: had fallen over. Of course, I don't know how much

1290
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: of the fleet was after looking for me and stuff,

1291
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure a lot of them were. And

1292
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm all the time I was down there sleeping, And

1293
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: to this day, I could not tell you how long

1294
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: I was asleep down here, but I could say one thing.

1295
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: When I did come up out of the down blowing hold,

1296
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 1: my grandfather was coming out of the wheelhouse. He had

1297
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: one foot in, one foot out, you know, and he's

1298
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: a big man, but his eyes meant me, and I

1299
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: was the first time in my life I ever visualized

1300
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 1: or seeing that he didn't know whether you wanted to

1301
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: kill me or kiss me look, and I think he

1302
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: went with a little bit of both. But he caught

1303
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: up to me eventually because it wasn't always that type

1304
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 1: of weather. So the weather had changed became a little

1305
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: bit rough, and that there was my first experience with seasickness,

1306
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: and I got sea sick. So he pulls out and

1307
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: back then we didn't have any plastic pails or anything

1308
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: like that. So he pulled out a Galvanis bucket of

1309
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: salt water, put it up on the hatch cover, and

1310
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: gave me a coffee cup, and he says drink, and

1311
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: I drank. He says more, and I drank more water, Yes,

1312
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: salt water, and I drank more. I don't know how

1313
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,879
Speaker 1: much I drank. And all of a sudden I became deathly,

1314
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, And I know I was down on the

1315
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: deck and I was rolling around like it felt like

1316
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 1: a bowl of jelly. All of a sudden I had

1317
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 1: to let go and I went with the edge of

1318
01:29:54,680 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: the boat and litterfly. I I'll tell you one thing.

1319
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing. That was the first and

1320
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: last time in my life I was ever seasick. Really,

1321
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: it cured me. And I don't know whether it's a

1322
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: fear that I might have to drink all that salt

1323
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 1: water again or not, but it did cure me. I've never,

1324
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 1: to this day since then, ever been a seasick. I'm

1325
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: gonna try that because I still get seasick. I'm about fifty.

1326
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 1: When I think you have to have somebody bigger in you,

1327
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: you're a big old grandpa to make you do it.

1328
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 1: And I can force myself to when I when I died.

1329
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: When I'm diving, yes, I'll usually uh. Remember we were

1330
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: up here a couple weeks ago we went looking for scallops.

1331
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: I got I dranking the salt water that day where

1332
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: I threw up a little bit, not like you're talked about,

1333
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: just little SIPs and it makes my you know, but

1334
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: not like uh, it just makes me kind of you know,

1335
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: you kind of throw up in your mouth a little

1336
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: bit like that, yeah, snorical hanging out of your mouth.

1337
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: Try well, you don't get seasick to you? You don't

1338
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: think you don't. When I was a kid that we

1339
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: get seasick on Lake Michigan, but Lake Michigan get like

1340
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: six ft waves are big in Lake Michigan, but would

1341
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 1: be enough to make you seasick. My kid got seasick

1342
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: because he wasn't looking. He didn't know to look at

1343
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: the horizon. You know, he's like sicker he got, he's five,

1344
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, sicker he got. The more he'd slink down

1345
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: the bottom of the boat. I can tell him, you

1346
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: gotta sit up, man and look around. I'll be looking

1347
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: at the boat you know, so what do you do

1348
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 1: when he is? He said, look as a boat a rising,

1349
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: I focused on the fishing. Usually if I focus on

1350
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: the fishing, I get better. But the horizon, yeah for sure.

1351
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 1: Or I just you know, make myself let it go

1352
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: and I get better. Do you know that you honest?

1353
01:31:54,000 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 1: Is woman's father as a boatmaker? No? I didn't know that.

1354
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: What type of boats? And make am a deep v

1355
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 1: uh bay boat? And then they make a flat bottom

1356
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 1: skiff North Carolina? Not man for rocks. I wouldn't do

1357
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: well up here, right? So did you guys see that

1358
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: that boat out here that I told you about? Did

1359
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 1: you look at it? The Japanese skiff? No? I found

1360
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: a Japanese gas can yesterday two days ago. Yanni found?

1361
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: Who found it? I did? Yanni found he saw something

1362
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: red up in the tide rack there. Went over there

1363
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 1: and it was a gas can with Japanese script on it,

1364
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: and I cut that off. I cut the Japanese riding

1365
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: out and nailed it to a post on my shack

1366
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: as found art. You know what found artist? Yeah? So

1367
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: so so so you're you don't do you don't report

1368
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: this stuff? Then? Who there's a site that you go

1369
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 1: on and report anything that you found, and uh, I'll

1370
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:18,520
Speaker 1: put my job. I found a huge bottle of detergent,

1371
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: five gallon tank of detergent not longer on the beach,

1372
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: and I found a strip basket not long on the beach,

1373
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: and my Jimmy Carter had Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter nuclear

1374
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: sub hat. Oh okay, alright, I'm a beach coleman, son

1375
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: of a gun man. But uh so no, but there's

1376
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 1: a Japanese boat, the washed up new here there is

1377
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 1: out there, and Grendel, how are you going to look

1378
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: at it? I did? I went looked at it, and

1379
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 1: it's really a scuokum built boat. Uh. It probably came

1380
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: across a Pacific upside down the way it sits. And uh,

1381
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 1: I say that because the rails portion of the boat

1382
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: in areas is just pounded where it's been off and

1383
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: on beaches or whatever, hitting things. But for the most part,

1384
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,520
Speaker 1: I ain't get salvageable. But it does have the Japanese

1385
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: name on the hull itself. But somebody, how long is

1386
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 1: the boat? Uh? Close to nineteen? Could you get it

1387
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: off there and drag it home? Oh? You could in

1388
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: a super high tide. Yeah, you found it right. Well,

1389
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: what I'd rather do is just go out there. I

1390
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: didn't get a picture of it, and I'm gonna go

1391
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:51,560
Speaker 1: out there and get the whole name off of it.

1392
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 1: And there's a site that you go to, and in fact,

1393
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: one of the people on that site speaks and writes

1394
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: fluent Japanese. Oh, on a site that you are reporting into.

1395
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:05,719
Speaker 1: So if you take a picture or anything that he'll

1396
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 1: be able to decipher what it is and and be

1397
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:12,560
Speaker 1: interested to find out, you know, maybe who owned that

1398
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: polt or who? Oh? Yeah, man, it'd be super interesting.

1399
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: You had a gas can I founds busted up. Yeah,

1400
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean it looks like it's been in the water

1401
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 1: long time. Do you know what they say in eighty

1402
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:30,600
Speaker 1: million years that Japan we'll have a created all of

1403
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 1: the illusions and be docked up against Alaska. H What

1404
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 1: what difference is that today? It doesn't make any difference today.

1405
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 1: Something look forward to. Well, do you know your state

1406
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 1: originally accreedd and banged up against California, then rolled a

1407
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: transform and fault to where it is now. I don't

1408
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: doubt that a bit, you know, I mean you can

1409
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 1: picture I could picture, yes, Well, what did they say,

1410
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: Now your tallest mountains and your biggest valleys and stuff

1411
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 1: like that, in your biggest canyons, or blew the water.

1412
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 1: There's a book, there's a great trilogy written by geomic

1413
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 1: Fee about geology called Annals of the Former World, And

1414
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 1: in it he says, if I was going to sum

1415
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: this book up in one sentence, it would be at

1416
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: the top of Mount Everest is marine limestone. Well. He

1417
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 1: also says another thing in that book that's interesting. He says,

1418
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 1: if you imagine the history of the Earth as your

1419
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 1: arms spread out as wide as you can spread them. Okay,

1420
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: he said, you could remove all of human history with

1421
01:36:53,080 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: one stroke of a nail. Files are problem seem like,

1422
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 1: uh no, I know that. I mean the Earth. They

1423
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 1: date someone data back to billion years old. That's a

1424
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: lot old. I think the Earth in the midlife crisis

1425
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 1: because in four billion years the Sun's gonna burn out.

1426
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 1: We're in the middle, We're halfway there, is halfway done.

1427
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 1: I told my kids the son is gonna burn out

1428
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:24,560
Speaker 1: and it really affected him and I couldn't explain to

1429
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 1: him that I meant in a long time. Shouldn't it's old?

1430
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 1: That little mean? You mean Yanni. What concluding thought, Yann,

1431
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: you took off your Lavian power ring? Yeah, the the saltwater,

1432
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a saltwater there. It uh caused me

1433
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: to swell up a little bit. So it's getting a

1434
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: little a little snug as part of being a Latvian janice.

1435
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 1: Where is a Lavian power ring called names and it's

1436
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: something to Laban's And we were talked about this before.

1437
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:58,919
Speaker 1: I think so the Laban stole it from the Old Testament,

1438
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 1: or Yanni would argue the Old Testament stole it from

1439
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 1: the Latvians where some guy had it where he's gonna

1440
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: go kill the Latvian king. And he said, just look

1441
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 1: for the guy with the Latvian power ring, and all

1442
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 1: Latvian dudes went out and got a ring just like

1443
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 1: the king's, so that no one could tell who the

1444
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 1: king was. It's old memory health you put a stripe

1445
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: put a red mark on the door in the Old Testament.

1446
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 1: So Yanni, in order to protect nam as the king,

1447
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:31,639
Speaker 1: where's his Lavian power ring? One time I was making

1448
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: a off color jokes, I don't want to tell you

1449
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: about what about Yanni, and he was telling me that

1450
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 1: some one of these the next time I make that joke,

1451
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see a flash of blinding silver as his

1452
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 1: fist glides in my face. But it's his NAIs and dance.

1453
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 1: It would be well deserved, right. My grandmother made that

1454
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 1: for me. His brother has one too, and he's got

1455
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 1: a lavian our tattoo. I think, I think, Steve, when

1456
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:09,759
Speaker 1: was the last time you were ever disciplined? I'm forty

1457
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 1: years old, man, Well that's true, But when was the

1458
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 1: last time your wife's eighteen nineteen? Oh no, my wife. Yeah,

1459
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 1: my wife has a way like she has a disciplinary method,

1460
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 1: you know. Um, it works very well, uh rihanna. Any

1461
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: concluding thoughts? Oh, another thing about the lab empowering. You

1462
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: told me that you think about not wearing any rings anymore. Yeah,

1463
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:47,560
Speaker 1: because no, because who just some celebrity just got what

1464
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: do they call that when your ring pulls your skin off,

1465
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:55,560
Speaker 1: your whole finger hurt. Now there's a term for that,

1466
01:39:56,840 --> 01:40:00,879
Speaker 1: there is, Yeah, collared sleeved, Yeah, something like up. Anyways,

1467
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 1: I know quite a few guys have you know, being

1468
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: had that happened to him or had it close to

1469
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 1: happening to them, and so instead they've just gone to

1470
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 1: a tattoo for their wedding band. I'll tell you what.

1471
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 1: I quit wearing a wedding band, not because I'm trying

1472
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: to do something wrong, but for a lot of those reasons.

1473
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 1: And uh also, I had these watch bands and they're

1474
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 1: all metal, and then you could break them open to

1475
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: take them off, you know. And I had one of those.

1476
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm working on my car, and I had this wrench

1477
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 1: and his source tightening a post down, and somehow that

1478
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 1: shorted across to the negative, and I think it's when

1479
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:53,679
Speaker 1: I came down. My watch came down on the post

1480
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:55,720
Speaker 1: of the negative and I had a hold of that,

1481
01:40:56,640 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 1: and it gave you te bolts more well that twelve

1482
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 1: votes with a lot of an preacher. I mean, I

1483
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: took my watch band off and I had that burning.

1484
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: It was just welts all the way around, just ring

1485
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 1: on a battery, and I caught it on a couple

1486
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 1: of tree limbs, and I proposed to my wife I

1487
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 1: stopped wearing it, and she said, I can get the tattoo.

1488
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 1: But I made at this fine life without a tattoo.

1489
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to go get a tattoo. Now. I'm

1490
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 1: gonna ask her if I could just start taking a

1491
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 1: magic marker every couple of days, and magic mark ring

1492
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: mark just before you travel to me. Whatever. She just

1493
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 1: likes me to have it on. Meanwhile, meanwhile, sometimes you

1494
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 1: don't even know where hers are. I find him laying

1495
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:46,600
Speaker 1: around now and then one day I found one in

1496
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 1: her damn shoe. So you're married. She's not. Yeah, she's

1497
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: always like, oh she got him both on none on

1498
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 1: one on, don't know where they are. And meanwhile, here's

1499
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 1: me puffy old finger, the ring on it. We'll tell

1500
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 1: her you to turn that in for a n They

1501
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 1: actually gave this to me when I bought her ring

1502
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:08,600
Speaker 1: nilon and ring or something. I thought about getting one

1503
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: of those silicon rings. You said, I can do that

1504
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 1: if I want. Well, Joan had Joan had one. I

1505
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 1: think it was jade jade ring, your solid jade ring?

1506
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,600
Speaker 1: Was it? At one point in time? I thank you

1507
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 1: still have it? Oh maybe she didn't that It was

1508
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 1: up made out ja dyke, very expensive. But um there's

1509
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 1: a thought too, So y'all he's gonna quit wearing as

1510
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:39,759
Speaker 1: possibly all right, Yanny. Concluding thoughts, you wrap up questions

1511
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna chance for quickly thoughts. Ron When after John's

1512
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 1: turn I guess I have a concluding question. We might

1513
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 1: gonna squeez be able to squeeze another hunting. How far

1514
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:54,600
Speaker 1: do we have to go up the hill so that

1515
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 1: we're not hunting like a low end muskeig. Dude, listen,

1516
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't believe any of that. You don't. I just

1517
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 1: want to stay on everybody's right side around here, are you? Okay? Okay?

1518
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 1: You guys know this buck NI killed personally? Okay? What

1519
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 1: was his name? Did he have velvet or not in velvet?

1520
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 1: Name was Bucky? And he was not in velvet. And

1521
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you had the most symmetrical two points that

1522
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 1: you ever saw. That's not this one. Oh yes it is.

1523
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 1: So I you know what you ahead and do your

1524
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 1: hunt and stuff like that. But you know, really, I

1525
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: thought you guys were sport hunters, No meat hunters. You're

1526
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 1: a meat hunter or a sport hunter? You like the challenge? Yes,

1527
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,759
Speaker 1: then you're a sport hunter. Do you like the channel?

1528
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 1: You don't want to be accused of being a sport hunter.

1529
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: I hunt for fun and meat. I wouldn't ut, I

1530
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't hunt. Then let me ask you this challenge sporting meat.

1531
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm a sporting meat guy. So let me ask you this,

1532
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 1: why don't you shoot your critters in the head. I'll

1533
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 1: tell exactly why don't shot critters in the head Because

1534
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 1: I was brought up or my father. The more reasons

1535
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 1: to this, but I'll start with the first one. My

1536
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 1: father would hold up a tennis ball, volleyball. Okay, you'd say,

1537
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 1: which would you rather hit? That was the first thing.

1538
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:55,639
Speaker 1: Later in life through I've been fortunate to do quite

1539
01:44:55,680 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 1: a lot of hunting, I have generally found that at

1540
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:10,639
Speaker 1: aiming for the lungs is consistently. When you puncture the lung,

1541
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: you have a dead animal, you have a huge margin

1542
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: for air, and oftentimes you have very very very low

1543
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 1: meat wasted john broadside shots. When I have seen people

1544
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 1: do headshots, if they're not an expert marksman and they

1545
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 1: don't know their own limitations, they're dealing with a very

1546
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:36,679
Speaker 1: small margin of air. Like when you're off an inch,

1547
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 1: you're off and it leads to blown off jaws, punctured ears, whatnot.

1548
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:50,840
Speaker 1: It's just bad. You can hit the rack and split it. Well,

1549
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 1: that's gonna ring its bell and knock them down. But

1550
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't think guys, don't guys

1551
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:02,360
Speaker 1: who shoot lungs. Aren't shooting lungs strictly for the reason

1552
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 1: they don't want to mess the rack up. Well no, okay,

1553
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 1: but to me, all your dear head, yes, or the neck,

1554
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 1: but most of them in the head. And the reason

1555
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 1: why I do that is we utilize the heart in

1556
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 1: the liver. But he likes the Yannie likes the lips. Okay,

1557
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 1: so you like the lips and the nose, ears, cheek meat.

1558
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 1: I like cheat meat, right, No, you ever roast deer's head,

1559
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 1: picked the meat, the tacos. No, I have waste all

1560
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 1: that meat. Well, I don't call it waste because that

1561
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 1: there's a given. I mean, you gotta hit him somewhere. Yeah,

1562
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:51,680
Speaker 1: and uh so you know, and tell and tell I

1563
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 1: acquire a taste for brains, tell them if I ever.

1564
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 1: But even if I do hit it in the head,

1565
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: I can utilize the brain if I wanted to tend

1566
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 1: the hide with it, you know. So it's not a

1567
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 1: waste there. But I don't. I don't want a chance

1568
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 1: of And I always give my son and his friend

1569
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:22,240
Speaker 1: a bad time because sometimes they don't bring back the

1570
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 1: heart liver because the shot of the body. No, no,

1571
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:29,720
Speaker 1: they always should. They always do head shots, Well, what's

1572
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: how far? Like, what's the maximum distance you shoot at

1573
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 1: at a at a black tail? Typically the maximum distance,

1574
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 1: like it will be a long shot for you, the

1575
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 1: way you want to fifty yards for the head. Yeah,

1576
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't care. If you're Lee Harvey Oswald, I think

1577
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 1: that that's a bad aim. Well, that was a really

1578
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:55,640
Speaker 1: bad thing. I just said. I didn't mean that. The

1579
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 1: reason I just talked about Lee Harvey Oswald's earlier, I

1580
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:02,759
Speaker 1: was talking with someone about going to the museum in Dallas,

1581
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: the Book Depository Museum, and I remember looking out the

1582
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 1: window and expecting it to be a much longer distances.

1583
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:13,680
Speaker 1: It was a very short distance. People always made a

1584
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 1: big deal about how could he have done it if

1585
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: you hadn't have had this, and that it was impossible

1586
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 1: they could have made it with a site open site,

1587
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 1: And I said that went around like that is not everybody,

1588
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 1: All the guys that hang out with the do that

1589
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 1: shod no problem Anyeah. I should have said that that

1590
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 1: was insensitive. However, I don't care if you're a great shooter.

1591
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:34,720
Speaker 1: I think that you Well, let's let's when you said

1592
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:39,599
Speaker 1: that maximum okay, and most of my shots are within

1593
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: a hundred yards some of them even, you know, like

1594
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 1: when I got that one big four point, you know

1595
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: I didn't even use my scope. Who was so close?

1596
01:48:51,920 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean so when you say my maximum shot, well

1597
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,680
Speaker 1: that was you know when I took and when I

1598
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,519
Speaker 1: got Here's what this this are. I'm not gonna have

1599
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:09,240
Speaker 1: this argument with you because you've been hunting your whole life.

1600
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 1: You've killed umpteen million deer. Like, you know what works

1601
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, you know what your capable of, you

1602
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 1: know what works for you. But would you agree with

1603
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:24,599
Speaker 1: this statement? You have a grandson, right, did you tell

1604
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: your grandson hit him in the head, hit him in

1605
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 1: the lungs, hit him in the head. His his last

1606
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 1: year he shot it was a five point? Yeahs was

1607
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:40,599
Speaker 1: that his first year? Was was that his first year?

1608
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 1: And he shot it right and knows put it down

1609
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:49,799
Speaker 1: pretty quick on all right. I'm a long man. Yanni's

1610
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:51,760
Speaker 1: a long man. An Yeah. I had a couple of

1611
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 1: bad experiences. You know, I had some good experiences put

1612
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 1: down this animals very quickly with the head shots. But

1613
01:49:57,320 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 1: I had a couple Its uh for me, It doesn't

1614
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:04,759
Speaker 1: warrant taking that shot anymore. First year, I ever shot

1615
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 1: thirteen years old, shot him in the head, had to

1616
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 1: run him down, kill him with a knife, And that

1617
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:20,840
Speaker 1: was probably Josh shot exactly. Now. Another thing I saw

1618
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 1: happen some years ago when they started. You know, when

1619
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:29,599
Speaker 1: when buffalo leave Yellowsto National Park, the way the laws

1620
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 1: are set up down in Montana, Wyoming, when buffalo leaves

1621
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 1: they Also National Park, he goes to being wildlife to livestock.

1622
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:42,000
Speaker 1: Unlike every other animal. If a wolverine, wolf, elk, black bear,

1623
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 1: grizzly bear, mule, deer, antelope leaves the Also National Park,

1624
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: he's wildlife. Buffalo which is just as native and has

1625
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 1: just as might have the right to the lands any

1626
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: of our creatures leaves ye Also National Park, he becomes livestock.

1627
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 1: The Department of Livestock rounds him up and sends him

1628
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: off to slaughter. When they first started open up some

1629
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:08,599
Speaker 1: permitted hunting for these things, and it wound up being

1630
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 1: in many ways to serve the interests of killing them off.

1631
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 1: But the various tribes in that area who had a

1632
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:22,560
Speaker 1: historic claim to that area were allocated tags to go

1633
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 1: kill buffalo. When I was working on my book about buffalo,

1634
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: I went with not with but I accompanied without them

1635
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 1: actually asked me to accompany, but I went out with

1636
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 1: the net purse when they were there to shoot five

1637
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 1: buffalo and they were doing headshots. At one point in time,

1638
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 1: I think that they had all five of the ones

1639
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 1: they hit in the head. We're still wandering around with

1640
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 1: holes in them trying to It's like you need to

1641
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're doing. Had they been shooting for long,

1642
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: they would all eventually got them all. Had they been

1643
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 1: shooting for long, you hit it through the long, it's

1644
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 1: gonna die buffalo too. I don't know what what type

1645
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: particularly around you're using that you gotta have a sturdy one.

1646
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,000
Speaker 1: But I was just sorry of those we were up

1647
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:17,600
Speaker 1: BEYONDI was there. We were talking to these uh choot pigascimo.

1648
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,840
Speaker 1: They shoot walrus is a two threes in the head,

1649
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 1: like you're saying, So if you know about shot placement,

1650
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 1: those boys, do you know exactly should exactly where to

1651
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 1: hit the waters? Said? The waters can't get off the

1652
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 1: ice when they hit it like that. It can be done,

1653
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:31,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of people don't have that skill set.

1654
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 1: So it's clearly you know what you're doing. You've been

1655
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 1: doing your whole life. Do you average Joe Schmo. I

1656
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 1: think it's better off aiming behind the shoulder because he

1657
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:46,360
Speaker 1: can be all shaky and all nervous and all kinds

1658
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:49,639
Speaker 1: of crap like that and still be six inches off

1659
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: in any direction and kill the thing. You could take

1660
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 1: and getting your or your canoe and go right out

1661
01:52:56,960 --> 01:53:00,760
Speaker 1: here now, even in that big right here. Now, set

1662
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 1: yourself up a target over there, take your rifle and

1663
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 1: try to hit that target while you're in that canoe,

1664
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 1: and saw how much how many times you're gonna miss? Well,

1665
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: it's illegal. You're talking about the Eskimo shooting walrus from

1666
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 1: their kayaks, and this is an open open and this

1667
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 1: is open ocean, and they have a way of knowing

1668
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 1: and timing their shot on that thing. Rocks and rocks

1669
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:42,000
Speaker 1: back up. They do expert expert marksman, no you get.

1670
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they definitely know what they're doing. But I

1671
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 1: was a distinguished marksman, a little bit better an expert

1672
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 1: in the military, a little bit better an expert. But

1673
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:58,559
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I've been shooting all my life. My father,

1674
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:01,519
Speaker 1: if you be where he died, and he goes about

1675
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 1: five years old, he bought me a single shot twenty

1676
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 1: two and he would go out target practice and he

1677
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:16,560
Speaker 1: was teaching me certain how to handle it, care for

1678
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:20,759
Speaker 1: it as that. When I was young. After he died,

1679
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:25,560
Speaker 1: of course, I couldn't utilized or going with it, you know,

1680
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 1: do the gun again until I was a little bit older,

1681
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 1: and a new way my mother would allow me to

1682
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:34,360
Speaker 1: do that is I had to go down and at

1683
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 1: the Civic Center and catch again. They had actual indoor

1684
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 1: range and I went down there and went through marksman

1685
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 1: course you know and stuff, so you were pretty closely

1686
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 1: supervised for safety and everything like that. So I was

1687
01:54:56,120 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 1: taught then, but I was also taught sighting, you know,

1688
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:04,800
Speaker 1: using your site patterns and this and that, and I

1689
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 1: got pretty good with it, and just over time I

1690
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 1: got real good. I mean they're in UH pistol, you know.

1691
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:21,120
Speaker 1: So what did you shoot when you were in the military. Well,

1692
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 1: I shot I shot the A R fifteen M sixteen

1693
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 1: h A R fifteen what a lot of people know

1694
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 1: of that semi automatic, but ours was fully the M sixteen.

1695
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:39,600
Speaker 1: I shot the M sixty machine gun. Is that they

1696
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:44,560
Speaker 1: have in the helicopter doors. Yes, and then the also

1697
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 1: UH qualified with a M seventy nine grenade launcher and

1698
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 1: a three point five rocket launcher which is the bazooka,

1699
01:55:54,240 --> 01:56:02,680
Speaker 1: and those I used caliber side arm. Uh god, what

1700
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:06,480
Speaker 1: else they took away from me? When I went entered

1701
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 1: into country and Psycho on Tauson Air Force Base, they

1702
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: had just put it over their duffel bag. Put it

1703
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:16,240
Speaker 1: between your feet there and you're standing there, wait, and

1704
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:19,000
Speaker 1: they came through and started taking everything on my douffle bag.

1705
01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:22,560
Speaker 1: But I brought brought with me. I brought I brought

1706
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 1: my thirty eight Smith and Weston pistol and they seized it.

1707
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 1: And I thought that was the dumbest thing they could

1708
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 1: ever do, you know, because I'm I'm used to that weapon,

1709
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 1: and what's gonna hurt? Just another weapon that you have

1710
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 1: in a war zone, you know, mean while you got

1711
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 1: an M sixty door gun, well sure you up there?

1712
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:50,440
Speaker 1: Well no that yeah, But I mean I thought awful

1713
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:53,360
Speaker 1: funny about that. I thought I would never see it again.

1714
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:57,800
Speaker 1: You know. He got back, It got back, and they

1715
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 1: nailed it right back to my our post off the box.

1716
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:02,840
Speaker 1: Back then. I guess they could do it, you know,

1717
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 1: not anymore you can't mail to the post office box.

1718
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 1: But they made it back. It was every when I

1719
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 1: got back anyway. Uh, well, last question, what do you

1720
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:17,160
Speaker 1: what's your how'd your dad die? He's so young. My

1721
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:24,800
Speaker 1: father was in the engineers Army engineers and they went

1722
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:30,040
Speaker 1: Toknawa and they were gonna pull their invasion going on

1723
01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 1: to Okinawa. So he and his squad went on their

1724
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 1: first undercover darkness to start clearing away so that they're

1725
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:43,280
Speaker 1: not bottling necked on the beach by obstacles and stuff

1726
01:57:43,360 --> 01:57:46,680
Speaker 1: like that. So they went in and started working u

1727
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:51,520
Speaker 1: stealth and and and wiring it up so that when

1728
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:55,680
Speaker 1: that started, then they'd start blowing all these obstacles up

1729
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 1: and clearing the way so that they're not jammed up

1730
01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:03,920
Speaker 1: waiting to get for seed off the beach. And in

1731
01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:07,680
Speaker 1: that process they were they were still working on the

1732
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:11,720
Speaker 1: roads and stuff like that that there getting the stuff

1733
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:16,160
Speaker 1: up off the beaches. So his whole squad was facing

1734
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 1: towards the beach, so they get out the way of

1735
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 1: all the amphibious vehicles coming up off the beach. So

1736
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:30,080
Speaker 1: they had the you're being cautious about that, and one

1737
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 1: of the fellows that were driving one of those amphibious rigs, Uh,

1738
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:39,800
Speaker 1: they shelled him and he went into shell shock. Life

1739
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:46,440
Speaker 1: uh like uh, and turned his amphobious vehicle back around,

1740
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 1: started heading back down the beach and ran over half

1741
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 1: my father's squad, including him. And I can remember as

1742
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 1: uh the child. I could remember looking at his back,

1743
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, when he had a shirt off and you

1744
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:04,480
Speaker 1: could actually see it still see some treadmarks and big

1745
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:07,560
Speaker 1: scars and everything like that where they had straightened his

1746
01:59:07,640 --> 01:59:12,680
Speaker 1: back out. Well, he always had problems. They're always in

1747
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 1: and out of the v A hospital all the time, constantly.

1748
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:21,600
Speaker 1: And I didn't know how my mother had six kids,

1749
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:28,080
Speaker 1: but she did, you know, so something was working. But

1750
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 1: for the most part, he was pretty sick, pretty sick person.

1751
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:37,879
Speaker 1: And as near as I could tell, he had problems

1752
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:44,280
Speaker 1: with ulcers. I think he probably had some cancer. Um.

1753
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't know though, but he went down. It was

1754
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 1: in the hospital. Uh. My younger brother, Ivan was just born.

1755
01:59:58,520 --> 02:00:03,880
Speaker 1: I think Ivan's birthdays. See, I don't know d end

1756
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 1: of June one July. But my father died before he

1757
02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:15,000
Speaker 1: could see him. Uh. He died in the hospital in Portland. Uh,

1758
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:19,840
Speaker 1: in the VA hospital. After he died, and the v

1759
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:23,400
Speaker 1: A knew it was service connected, they knew damn all

1760
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:28,480
Speaker 1: it was, but they did not they denied my mother

1761
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:33,760
Speaker 1: any help. All right, yeah, you know, and that always

1762
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:41,720
Speaker 1: rubbed me bad because when a veteran. I wasn't married

1763
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:44,920
Speaker 1: when I was in Vietnam, but I couldn't. I've seen

1764
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 1: other veterans that had a wife and kids home, and

1765
02:00:49,320 --> 02:00:51,040
Speaker 1: I've seen the fact they had on him and they

1766
02:00:51,120 --> 02:00:54,480
Speaker 1: really missed him, and that was the most important thing

1767
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:58,680
Speaker 1: to him, and they didn't want to get blown away

1768
02:00:59,080 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 1: and leave there wife and kids without any means of support.

1769
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 1: And so Joan and I at one time we were

1770
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:16,000
Speaker 1: going through Seattle. We're at the Red Lion Red Line,

1771
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:20,560
Speaker 1: and this one fellow from Ketchikan there was going back

1772
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:25,160
Speaker 1: for American Legion convention, and I told him, I says,

1773
02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:29,800
Speaker 1: you know what really bothers me that a veteran, when

1774
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:33,560
Speaker 1: they're having a disability and they're married and they have kids,

1775
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:38,160
Speaker 1: but they're having a they're getting a disability pension from

1776
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:42,440
Speaker 1: the v A. If they die, that pension goes away,

1777
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:47,720
Speaker 1: and that's not what that veteran wants. And while and

1778
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:49,800
Speaker 1: I told him a story about when I was over there,

1779
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:55,160
Speaker 1: I seen how what effect it had on the soldiers

1780
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:58,240
Speaker 1: that did have a family back home, immediate family, their

1781
02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:02,120
Speaker 1: wife and kids, and how they were saying anything else,

1782
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:06,400
Speaker 1: all the anxiety about their financial well being. Right, yes,

1783
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:09,120
Speaker 1: if anything happens to them, whos how are they going

1784
02:02:09,160 --> 02:02:11,520
Speaker 1: to be taken care of? In other words, And that's

1785
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:15,600
Speaker 1: true back then, if something was to happen to him,

1786
02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:20,200
Speaker 1: their wife and kids didn't get anything. I guess imagine

1787
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 1: they have so securities help them a little bit, but

1788
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:26,880
Speaker 1: for the most part nothing. And that was true up

1789
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:30,880
Speaker 1: until actually when the guy listened to me and he

1790
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 1: went back and it made a difference. That's when they

1791
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:42,800
Speaker 1: started the process. So I'm one disabled now, anything happens

1792
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:46,760
Speaker 1: to me, now, at least Joan will get some of

1793
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:52,360
Speaker 1: my pension. But before then that at came in. If

1794
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:55,680
Speaker 1: I was to die, she would get nothing. Boom be.

1795
02:02:56,600 --> 02:03:00,400
Speaker 1: So if I was making house payments and we had

1796
02:03:00,440 --> 02:03:04,120
Speaker 1: house payments and she didn't have any other income and

1797
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:10,400
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but maybe so secared or something, she

1798
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:14,680
Speaker 1: would be hurting and probably lose her house. So they did.

1799
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:18,160
Speaker 1: They came through and they said that right now she'd

1800
02:03:18,200 --> 02:03:22,040
Speaker 1: get a third of what I get. Uh, I feel

1801
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:24,480
Speaker 1: it should be a little higher. When I retired from

1802
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:30,560
Speaker 1: law enforcement, I reduced my monthly Uh what they're going

1803
02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:36,280
Speaker 1: to give me two as sure that Joan would get

1804
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:41,320
Speaker 1: something when I passed away, pass away. So what I did?

1805
02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:44,600
Speaker 1: I set her up to where because I was wasn't

1806
02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:49,120
Speaker 1: taking my full retirement, some went you know, kept back,

1807
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:52,840
Speaker 1: but anything happens to me now and I died before

1808
02:03:54,280 --> 02:03:59,640
Speaker 1: her or whatever she'll get sev. There was another one

1809
02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:04,400
Speaker 1: where I could have set it up for fift but no,

1810
02:04:05,120 --> 02:04:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean she was on there going going through what

1811
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,560
Speaker 1: hardships and stuff like that. I went going through the

1812
02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:17,280
Speaker 1: police department and going through different things, and you know

1813
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:20,800
Speaker 1: you do, and so I know there was a lot

1814
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:22,560
Speaker 1: of times I had a phone home and tell her, hey,

1815
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:26,880
Speaker 1: locked the door a little to rifle, you know, because

1816
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:30,400
Speaker 1: just be on the safe side. You never know because

1817
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 1: of the case you worked or something that's going to

1818
02:04:32,280 --> 02:04:35,840
Speaker 1: be big out for vengeance. Yeah and what what what

1819
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:41,840
Speaker 1: the person told me, you know himself. So yeah, it

1820
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:47,080
Speaker 1: was So that's what I'm helcol about the military there

1821
02:04:47,200 --> 02:04:52,160
Speaker 1: there they turned around a little bit and just like

1822
02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm maybe keynote speaker for the upcoming UH gathering for

1823
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:06,560
Speaker 1: the he had error veterans over in Craig of September.

1824
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:09,680
Speaker 1: I was asked to give a talk for about a

1825
02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:16,960
Speaker 1: twenty minute talk and uh in there. You know, the

1826
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:22,360
Speaker 1: United States government for in the last decade, let's say,

1827
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 1: has realized what especially since the returning from the veterans

1828
02:05:31,880 --> 02:05:37,880
Speaker 1: returning from Iraq and Afghanistan desert charm. They came back heroes,

1829
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, and we never did. I mean I came

1830
02:05:44,040 --> 02:05:48,640
Speaker 1: back walking through Stack Airport, had some demonstrators in there,

1831
02:05:48,680 --> 02:05:51,640
Speaker 1: and they're calling me baby killer and one spat spat

1832
02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:56,440
Speaker 1: on me. I don't think you'd be spent on anybody

1833
02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:58,720
Speaker 1: else after that. I mean, I think you learned this

1834
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:04,000
Speaker 1: lesson because changed a little bit. Well, I knocked them

1835
02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:07,200
Speaker 1: out and I was putting a bathroom in there and

1836
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:11,520
Speaker 1: cleaning off all this bit, and then walks too poor

1837
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:17,920
Speaker 1: to Seattle Police Department be personnel and two MPs. The

1838
02:06:18,040 --> 02:06:20,240
Speaker 1: one guy asked me, did you hit that guy out there?

1839
02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 1: And they turned around. I pointed, put my finger in

1840
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:26,280
Speaker 1: the chest each one of them. I said, it hit you.

1841
02:06:26,840 --> 02:06:29,960
Speaker 1: You you and you as you called me a baby

1842
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:33,680
Speaker 1: killer and spit spit on me. They did that, and

1843
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:38,440
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I showed him where they spent. By

1844
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:40,320
Speaker 1: the time I got out of there, they were gone.

1845
02:06:42,280 --> 02:06:46,600
Speaker 1: So which was good. But I was coming home. Yeah,

1846
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:50,520
Speaker 1: I was coming home. They gave me a brand new uniform,

1847
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:55,720
Speaker 1: fitted me for it, and I got home. When I

1848
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:58,200
Speaker 1: left the house there, my mother was in the kitchen

1849
02:06:58,240 --> 02:07:04,040
Speaker 1: painting totem poles and the seat seat sitting there, and

1850
02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:09,200
Speaker 1: when I came back, snuck in the back door there. Well,

1851
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:12,880
Speaker 1: I got my stepfather down to the bar. We had

1852
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:16,680
Speaker 1: a few tips in my uncle, and I had another

1853
02:07:16,720 --> 02:07:18,720
Speaker 1: guy that I ran into. He was in the Navy

1854
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:25,120
Speaker 1: coming back. So we're sitting there in a bar, and

1855
02:07:25,200 --> 02:07:29,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't twenty one yet, so I told him and

1856
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:32,080
Speaker 1: neither neither neither was it. Neither was it was this

1857
02:07:32,200 --> 02:07:35,200
Speaker 1: other guy, So I told him, he come on, we

1858
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:39,240
Speaker 1: deserve it, you know. So we went in there, and

1859
02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:41,600
Speaker 1: even the bartender once in a while to buy his drinks.

1860
02:07:41,640 --> 02:07:45,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty cool. But for the most part,

1861
02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:49,080
Speaker 1: when I got in there and I got home, my

1862
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:54,000
Speaker 1: mother was at the kitchen table there painting total bulls. Yeah,

1863
02:07:54,280 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 1: and she turned around, looked, went back to painting total bulls,

1864
02:07:58,240 --> 02:08:02,600
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden to realize I was back home.

1865
02:08:04,240 --> 02:08:09,600
Speaker 1: So that was about welcome home enough for me, you know. Yeah,

1866
02:08:10,240 --> 02:08:13,640
Speaker 1: all right, Rannie got any concluding thoughts. Yeah, I do,

1867
02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:21,640
Speaker 1: you know. Lately here I realize one thing, and I

1868
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:24,360
Speaker 1: came to a conclusion there's only one thing good about

1869
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:31,120
Speaker 1: old age that it doesn't last long. And that's the

1870
02:08:31,240 --> 02:08:38,520
Speaker 1: only thing good about it. So anyway, no, I'm I'll

1871
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:44,160
Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell you another one too. I I

1872
02:08:44,280 --> 02:08:46,680
Speaker 1: added on to this when I heard of someplace house,

1873
02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:50,320
Speaker 1: but I added a few other things. But the Golden years,

1874
02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:54,120
Speaker 1: it's not the Golden years. It's what I refer to

1875
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:57,880
Speaker 1: as a metal years. It's where you get silver in

1876
02:08:57,960 --> 02:09:05,400
Speaker 1: your hair, golden your leading, your ass our deficiency, your

1877
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:11,040
Speaker 1: brain is, our mind is like a steel trap, rusted shut.

1878
02:09:12,080 --> 02:09:14,720
Speaker 1: You have enough platinum credit cards to buy the world,

1879
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:17,040
Speaker 1: but not enough gold to pay him off. And I

1880
02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:22,320
Speaker 1: think that they're more accurately describes it than the Golden Years.

1881
02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:29,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I since nineteen two thousand, uh, nineteen nineteen two,

1882
02:09:31,240 --> 02:09:33,920
Speaker 1: since two thousand seven when I had my episode of

1883
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:37,520
Speaker 1: the last cloudy and stuff like that. My before that,

1884
02:09:38,520 --> 02:09:41,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't as good as shape as you, maybe even better.

1885
02:09:42,840 --> 02:09:46,879
Speaker 1: But now I mean I've I've been crashing going downhill.

1886
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 1: And then I had at open heart surgery and one

1887
02:09:50,360 --> 02:09:54,960
Speaker 1: of those metal valves put in and that they're further depleted.

1888
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, anybody could look at me and it was

1889
02:09:58,160 --> 02:10:01,000
Speaker 1: and you're not disabled, you know, but looks ain't it.

1890
02:10:01,400 --> 02:10:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean it's what I can there could. I can't

1891
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:07,720
Speaker 1: do anymore. And because of all this here going on

1892
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:10,800
Speaker 1: at one time and the medications they got me on,

1893
02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:15,080
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean, yeah, how old are you? Well

1894
02:10:15,120 --> 02:10:20,680
Speaker 1: past retirement age? What's retirement age? Sixty year older? Now? Well, sure, yeah,

1895
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:22,360
Speaker 1: I am, but that has nothing to do with it.

1896
02:10:23,000 --> 02:10:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean really, I mean, Joan isn't in better shape

1897
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:30,560
Speaker 1: than I am? Yeah, you know, and she's older than me.

1898
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:39,000
Speaker 1: She was the she was a founder of the International

1899
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:57,120
Speaker 1: Order of Cougar's her. I just kidd none, you, yohn.

1900
02:10:57,320 --> 02:10:59,120
Speaker 1: What can I tell about your wife? Johnnie? I never

1901
02:10:59,200 --> 02:11:01,200
Speaker 1: got to wrap it up. Tell about your wife? You

1902
02:11:01,240 --> 02:11:05,000
Speaker 1: go tell these guys about your wife, Johnny. Johanni's wife

1903
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:09,120
Speaker 1: asked him to get married and he said no. I said, yeah,

1904
02:11:11,440 --> 02:11:14,720
Speaker 1: he he loved his wife so much that he broke

1905
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:22,680
Speaker 1: the Latvian uh like ring broke the Lavian bloodline. Really

1906
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:27,960
Speaker 1: so that I'm gonna blow your I'm gonna blow it.

1907
02:11:28,520 --> 02:11:30,880
Speaker 1: Quick note on you're I'm gonna close the episode with

1908
02:11:30,920 --> 02:11:33,640
Speaker 1: a quick note, did you make this one? No? No,

1909
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:41,800
Speaker 1: this one for sure. That's a nice one. It looks

1910
02:11:41,800 --> 02:11:43,880
Speaker 1: like the Summiner. Yeah, it does. Look it's just like

1911
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:48,400
Speaker 1: the Summiner. I'm gonna start out with uh made in

1912
02:11:48,440 --> 02:12:00,240
Speaker 1: call and then here's a here's a wounded calf. Yeah

1913
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:04,640
Speaker 1: you like that? Ron, which one do you get better? Responsive?

1914
02:12:05,600 --> 02:12:07,880
Speaker 1: The wounded calf makes dose come and snort at you

1915
02:12:08,120 --> 02:12:10,360
Speaker 1: bucked their feet up and down and as that could

1916
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:13,480
Speaker 1: bring in a buck Yeah heard doing all that? Oh yeah,

1917
02:12:13,680 --> 02:12:15,520
Speaker 1: I've had that happen to me all the time, and

1918
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:18,160
Speaker 1: especially this time a year Doe roiled up in the

1919
02:12:18,200 --> 02:12:22,720
Speaker 1: buckle show up. Yes, yeah, eventually I will, because that

1920
02:12:22,840 --> 02:12:26,400
Speaker 1: does doing a lot of stomping against norton. Yeah, so

1921
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:29,600
Speaker 1: you'll keep holding her attention as long as you can. Yes,

1922
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:32,120
Speaker 1: I will as long as I can. And you have

1923
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:36,520
Speaker 1: to hide real good. I mean I was down for

1924
02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:39,040
Speaker 1: curiosity up. Yeah, I was just gonna go with some dude.

1925
02:12:39,200 --> 02:12:43,840
Speaker 1: I was down underneath the log stick. Dear, call out

1926
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:46,560
Speaker 1: and boat again. As soon as she comes back stomping

1927
02:12:46,680 --> 02:12:49,600
Speaker 1: real close by. I mean I had to stop, stop

1928
02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:53,000
Speaker 1: a foot away from my head, you know. But I'm

1929
02:12:53,080 --> 02:12:56,440
Speaker 1: under the log and I'm all right, and she'll act

1930
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:59,440
Speaker 1: like that as long as she can't spot. Yeah, so

1931
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:02,160
Speaker 1: don't know the source one. No longer you could get

1932
02:13:02,200 --> 02:13:06,480
Speaker 1: her to stop and snort and stomp and snort, the

1933
02:13:06,600 --> 02:13:10,040
Speaker 1: better chances are and getting a buck to respond. Those

1934
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:13,800
Speaker 1: are bringing blackberries to all constantly all the time. And

1935
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, one of one of one of the times,

1936
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:20,240
Speaker 1: I was up there at Paul's bite on a road

1937
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:23,000
Speaker 1: system and I see look down below and here is

1938
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:27,080
Speaker 1: two do down there. So I tried to get them

1939
02:13:27,160 --> 02:13:29,800
Speaker 1: to stomp and stuff and I blew and they did.

1940
02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:32,320
Speaker 1: They were stomping and snorting and stuff like that. So

1941
02:13:32,440 --> 02:13:34,320
Speaker 1: I said, this is pretty cool. When I was up there,

1942
02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:36,200
Speaker 1: and never once while as soon as they slowed down

1943
02:13:36,240 --> 02:13:39,360
Speaker 1: the blow it again. They continue stomp And I see

1944
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:43,360
Speaker 1: something on the tree line coming in, so I scope it.

1945
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:47,280
Speaker 1: And as soon as I seen what it was, I

1946
02:13:47,400 --> 02:13:52,000
Speaker 1: sent a chill up by spine. And I didn't realize,

1947
02:13:52,240 --> 02:13:59,760
Speaker 1: but this bear, black bear was move crawling in real

1948
02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:04,360
Speaker 1: slow on his belly, yes, coming in, and that just

1949
02:14:04,520 --> 02:14:07,600
Speaker 1: sent a chill up my back because I'm in a

1950
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:13,040
Speaker 1: muskag blowing my dear call, and I always hear a

1951
02:14:13,200 --> 02:14:17,720
Speaker 1: little subtle noises around the back of me or off

1952
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:19,720
Speaker 1: to the side, you know, and I figure, well, there's

1953
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:21,640
Speaker 1: got to be a buck coming in and stuff like that.

1954
02:14:21,720 --> 02:14:27,880
Speaker 1: Well it never did come in, you know. But yeah,

1955
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:29,960
Speaker 1: And I had a friend of mine that was sitting

1956
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:33,160
Speaker 1: in a small muskag and he had his rifle down

1957
02:14:33,960 --> 02:14:37,879
Speaker 1: one of the chamber safety off. He's blown his derkle

1958
02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:45,440
Speaker 1: and he's sitting on this stump or or logged and

1959
02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:49,960
Speaker 1: a bear come bolting out of the other side of

1960
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:54,280
Speaker 1: this year short must gag and before that bear realized

1961
02:14:54,360 --> 02:14:59,400
Speaker 1: that he was not a deer or something, the bear spun.

1962
02:15:00,200 --> 02:15:03,800
Speaker 1: As he spun away, the ass of the bear came

1963
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:08,480
Speaker 1: around and knocked my friend off the log on his back,

1964
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:12,600
Speaker 1: and he never even had a chance to raise his rifle.

1965
02:15:14,520 --> 02:15:19,120
Speaker 1: That's oh, they're fast. They come in very fast. And

1966
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:25,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to stick around and see what

1967
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:27,520
Speaker 1: that bear was going to do with the doze, but

1968
02:15:28,360 --> 02:15:31,600
Speaker 1: he probably should have. But I had a hunt to do,

1969
02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:34,920
Speaker 1: and I started going up throat, but I only took

1970
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:37,640
Speaker 1: a picture, you know. He he was coming in south

1971
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:42,400
Speaker 1: and get in within that prancing distance of maybe what

1972
02:15:42,920 --> 02:15:48,680
Speaker 1: maybe a hundred fifty two. So that's right, ladies and gentlemen,

1973
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:52,080
Speaker 1: you have right here. Bears are fast, but not as

1974
02:15:52,200 --> 02:15:54,920
Speaker 1: fast as you should run. Two hunting dot com by

1975
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Speaker 1: one of you his T shirts. I like that. I

1976
02:15:57,240 --> 02:15:59,400
Speaker 1: love it. Thank you. That's h U N T t

1977
02:15:59,680 --> 02:16:02,400
Speaker 1: o e A T dot com. Remember I get nothing.

1978
02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:07,120
Speaker 1: I get nothing for promoting Yanni's T shirts, sides, free

1979
02:16:07,200 --> 02:16:09,760
Speaker 1: T shirts I have too, free T shirts. I'm gonna

1980
02:16:09,800 --> 02:16:12,200
Speaker 1: make you if you don't send Ron and Jonah free

1981
02:16:12,240 --> 02:16:16,800
Speaker 1: T shirt, I'm gonna quit plugging hunting Well. I take

1982
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:23,360
Speaker 1: you out a plan. Plug the Cassan Restaurant. If you're

1983
02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:26,800
Speaker 1: passing through Cassan, go to the Cassan restaurant. All you

1984
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:31,960
Speaker 1: can eat everything for one dollar one dollar. Oh yeah,

1985
02:16:32,320 --> 02:16:34,560
Speaker 1: all right, tune in next time