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Speaker 1: Gas, chronic goals.

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Speaker 2: This is not your average shows.

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Speaker 3: You're now tuned into the rails.

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Speaker 4: and comment. No Limited had the Streets bruh one time.

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Speaker 4: No Limited had the Streets show. I know, cash Money

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Speaker 4: had a lot of really both really good labels and

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Speaker 4: impact label shit. Cash Money still going strong at the

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Speaker 4: twenty something years and the thirty something years, you know,

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Speaker 4: so you know you got to give them both they properly.

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Speaker 4: It was just a good moment for hip hop and

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Speaker 4: all yeah, step aside, It was just a good moment

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Speaker 4: for hip hop.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: It was a lot of great songs, man, that took

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Speaker 4: me back. You know, you got to hear a lot

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Speaker 4: of good music and everything. I'm a big juvenile fan.

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Speaker 4: I love Manny Fresh and Bank, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: And I love No Limit to you. You was almost

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Speaker 4: No Limit soldier at one time.

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Speaker 3: So who showed up for Cash Money? Who didn't show up.

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Speaker 3: And who showed up?

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Speaker 1: Well, Wayne and Turk wasn't there.

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Speaker 4: I think Wayne didn't come because I heard that he

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Speaker 4: didn't come because I heard Wayne didn't come because there

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Speaker 4: were certain songs that they wouldn't go let him perform

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Speaker 4: because of clearance issues as crazy as that song. You

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Speaker 4: know how you go on TV and do certain stuff.

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Speaker 4: So he was like, if I can't do them songs,

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Speaker 4: I'm not coming. So he wasn't there. Juvenile was there though,

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Speaker 4: Manny was there, Bird was there. They had the whole

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Speaker 4: click there. You know, Nicky wasn't there, and Frank was there.

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Speaker 4: They kind of kept it to the core, right, BG

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Speaker 4: was there. It was tight bro cash money did they thing.

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Speaker 4: Master P pretty much had everybody there. Fiend was there,

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Speaker 4: Mama Mia Mia xs there, me X showed her ass dog,

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Speaker 4: she showed her ass mea xs R. She showed her

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Speaker 4: ass on the definitely one of the coldest feet. Maaliam Cz.

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Speaker 3: They was happening some this he at some time, you

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Speaker 3: know about a position on the tours and money wise

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Speaker 3: and everything. But it's good to see they came. You know,

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Speaker 3: everything got resolved.

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Speaker 4: Well, this was an event from what I do know,

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Speaker 4: everybody got the handletoned business, so it usually work out

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Speaker 4: better when they're all grown people get the handleton shit.

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Speaker 4: You know exactly because at some point she don't need

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Speaker 4: a grown man speaking for another grown man but speaking man.

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Speaker 1: So the homie hit me up.

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Speaker 4: Man asked me, man if he was interested in doing

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Speaker 4: this interview?

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: I think this guy's reputation precedes him. He has a

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Speaker 4: new book out there, man called A Hundred Ways Out.

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Speaker 4: Almost died while working in the rap industry. Mm hmm

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Speaker 4: his you know, his mam and paups named the Matthew

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Speaker 4: Markoff Man. But the streets normous. Mmate, what's happing?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Heystat Mitch, you guys buer man.

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Speaker 1: Nice man, you're too glad you can come home.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: First of all, you know I've got to start off

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Speaker 4: with this man. Why is the title so morbid? If

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Speaker 4: you make it sound like rap industry is just a battlefield.

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Speaker 6: And is.

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Speaker 2: I can't. I can't change the reality of what it

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Speaker 2: is to lead to what it's been for me.

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Speaker 6: But uh, you know, people look at the rap game like, Man,

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Speaker 6: I don't like school, I don't like this. I just

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Speaker 6: want to rap, And it's like I would much rather

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Speaker 6: pick away safe for life plight.

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Speaker 1: But the rap.

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Speaker 6: Industry, at least from my experience, you know, and I'm

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Speaker 6: just from a very early age by in love with

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Speaker 6: hip hop culture and you know, reading periodicals like The

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Speaker 6: Source in Double XL. I remember when I was probably

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Speaker 6: like thirteen years old, radio article with the lock talking

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Speaker 6: about we could sell a million records and not know

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Speaker 6: where our next meal is coming from.

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Speaker 2: But it seems like the people behind the.

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Speaker 6: Business of our music don't have the same kind of

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Speaker 6: well life struggles, and so it's like I didn't want

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Speaker 6: to give up my dreams of being an artist, but

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Speaker 6: I also didn't want to sell myself short on what

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Speaker 6: I knew I can afford me if I.

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Speaker 2: Mastered the business of music.

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Speaker 6: And so my my plight has not been an easy one.

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Speaker 6: But I definitely spent the majority of my life mastering

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Speaker 6: the business of music and doing everything that's you're supposed

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Speaker 6: to to really have a grasp.

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Speaker 2: But outside of just day music.

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Speaker 7: So you know, it's not been easy for me with

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Speaker 7: dealing with you know, hundreds of different artists in the time,

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Speaker 7: or working my way as just a suburban kid from

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Speaker 7: the Midwest, you know, and putting myself in circles, which

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Speaker 7: some of the greatest names that hip hop has to offer.

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Speaker 6: So the morbid nature of the book is like answering

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Speaker 6: the blessing that I'm alive to even write details in.

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Speaker 4: The present day. Well, you know, I read the book, man.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was very captivating. Man, it was very

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Speaker 4: interest in detail and descriptive. You know, you're a wild boy,

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Speaker 4: a wild dude person. Well, you know, one of the

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Speaker 4: things I was going to say make I think more

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Speaker 4: people need to educate themselves on the business of hip hop.

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Speaker 4: I think that a lot of people come in and uneducated.

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Speaker 4: But then you have to remember this, A lot of

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Speaker 4: guys that come into hip hop business are very young,

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Speaker 4: and they usually are from you know, they usually come

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Speaker 4: from property, right, they usually come from property. A lot

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Speaker 4: of these good guys that either just graduated high school

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Speaker 4: or haven't graduated high school.

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Speaker 1: But you're talking about guys kids when they come into.

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Speaker 4: Business, right, they're just usually an adult that comes on

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Speaker 4: science these guys. So I always thought the industry was

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Speaker 4: very predatory. I thought it was off often prayed for

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Speaker 4: young people and people. I know, I hear a lot

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Speaker 4: of people saying that it's age just them and hip hop.

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Speaker 4: I think what it is older guys are less likely

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Speaker 4: to love somebody to fuck them moments they don't like

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Speaker 4: feeling with.

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Speaker 2: M hmm, yep, that's that.

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Speaker 6: That's definitely I dirty. In my client list are Golden

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Speaker 6: era I'm seen, so it's like it's stocking as that sounds,

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Speaker 6: where it's like the youth is more susceptible, we get

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Speaker 6: taken advantage of. I'm dealing with people that have been

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Speaker 6: the game for twenty thirty years that still are presenting

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Speaker 6: questions to me and why how have you not learned

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Speaker 6: this in your twenty plus years of experience?

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Speaker 2: Do There're usually questions I'd hear from someone that you know,

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Speaker 2: have you with all the MVV man won't wrap and

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Speaker 2: I want everyone else to handle the visits.

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Speaker 6: And I hate hearing that from artists as well, because

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Speaker 6: that's also how you open yourself up to get taken

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Speaker 6: advantage of.

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Speaker 1: And you know.

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Speaker 6: It's it no no bounds, like you see people like

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Speaker 6: Rihanna and wesk Cleveland that had made many, many millions

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Speaker 6: of the course of their careers, like well, this person

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Speaker 6: stole this from me. This person stole this from me,

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Speaker 6: And that's what happens when you just focused on be

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Speaker 6: the artists. Every artist, whether you're an A Lister or

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Speaker 6: a Z lister, you should still want to at least

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Speaker 6: get a grasp for the business as you go. You

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Speaker 6: can't learn it all at once. That would definitely take

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Speaker 6: away from your focus as the artist. But the artists

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Speaker 6: that are going to have the greatest longevity and really

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Speaker 6: have the least amount of quolds with the industry are

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Speaker 6: those that took the time to learn it can work

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Speaker 6: for them, to Dar.

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Speaker 4: Dannats, Yeah, I think a lot of artists didn't have

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Speaker 4: but choice. Like you take eight for example, Not to

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Speaker 4: get too much into it, eight, you were seventeen when

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Speaker 4: you signed your deal. Yeah, he's seventeen years old. So

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Speaker 4: he signs a deal for Samurai Si Zoki in five

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars. Not to a seventeen year old kid a

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Speaker 4: compton that's very attractive, you know, and I'm gonna get cheap.

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Speaker 1: I got five recks.

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Speaker 4: All he could think about is probably going to go

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Speaker 4: get the sack, an indoor sack and some khakis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably mom a few dollars, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: He go whizz around the town and you know you're

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Speaker 4: gonna throw fifty dollars in it, sa Zoki and ride

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Speaker 4: around town all day with the homies, right, But.

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Speaker 1: You know he doesn't know anything about publishing or tanja.

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Speaker 3: And then times have changed, you know, to be a

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Speaker 3: young artist today, a lot of them are probably independent because.

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Speaker 2: Going that out or hearing stories.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I got started, I was very hip hop,

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Speaker 3: was young, you know.

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Speaker 2: Now, as you said, as a fifteen sixteen year old.

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Speaker 3: Kid running around gang banging and doing whatever.

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Speaker 6: I have not.

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Speaker 2: The knowledge was that not to say that niggas was dumb.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel me?

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Speaker 2: Because a lot of us had since we went to school.

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Speaker 3: Might have not thought that we paid attention, but some

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Speaker 2: But knowledge of entertainment.

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Speaker 3: Industry was far beyond somebody's reached, you feel week. So

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Speaker 3: when not at the opportunity, I know, my mama can't

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Speaker 3: pay for no lawyer to look over no contract. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't suggested by anybody that I should get a lawyer

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Speaker 1: You get me.

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Speaker 2: I was going to the studio every other day, and

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking big ship, I'm thinking of a scale of shit,

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Speaker 3: What nigga's gonna get some chains, some dollars. I wasn't

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Speaker 3: thinking of, oh I'm be a millionaire and all that

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Speaker 3: the record, I was down they do. I didn't give

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Speaker 3: all that type of shit.

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Speaker 1: So it was just the aspect of nigga.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to make a record and whatever it falls

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Speaker 3: be after that is whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: When I started my career as an artists, one of

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Speaker 2: the first.

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Speaker 6: Labels I was signed to with my group Almighty was

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Speaker 6: label called Baby Grand Records, and Baby Grand could have

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Speaker 6: been like the number one independent rap label on the

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Speaker 6: East Coat. I think that don't think people consider them

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Speaker 6: that for a while. For a while they had members

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Speaker 6: of Wu Tang, Dipset, Geni, Mar Tricks, more of me,

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Speaker 6: like they had artists that were moving, you know, one

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Speaker 6: hundred thousand plus you know, every record and that that

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Speaker 6: was a big deal.

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Speaker 2: But anytime or money wouldn't come on time.

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Speaker 6: I was the person from the camp that had an attorney,

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Speaker 6: But have my attorney call Paul. You know, you don't

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Speaker 6: have to get your attorney to call Wolf send it

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Speaker 6: right over, but they wouldn't make.

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Speaker 2: Those money moved until the attorney would get involved.

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Speaker 6: And don't think about, like like eight said, the other

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Speaker 6: ninety some percent of people that are just approaching it

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Speaker 6: out of the love to be an artist, to make

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Speaker 6: music and have the opportunity. And I know artists that

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Speaker 2: And who has that kind of mind has been even

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Speaker 2: Hey, I just want to answer for this. This is

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Speaker 6: Here's the paperwork, and I'm paying two or three thousand

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Speaker 6: I do throw the responsibility kind of like each one

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Speaker 2: Hip hop.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people are very opposed to taking criticism,

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Speaker 6: I'm named the three like I buy, you know, ad

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Speaker 2: But I don't regret any of these projects.

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Speaker 6: Everything was was essential into my development as an an

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Speaker 2: You're going to understand as someone the brand new.

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Speaker 6: Of the game, Like how could you possibly know that

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Speaker 6: And it wasn't just for rap artists, but music in

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Speaker 2: More artists getting content license deals.

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Speaker 6: So they may pay the ownership of their music from

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Speaker 2: Willing to put those up and covers of one game.

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Speaker 4: The song blew up right and he did really well

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It's a lot more you know,

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Speaker 4: They don't want to talk about the center, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: And the funny thing is with me when I'm out

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, my mind is always stinking like that.

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Speaker 6: Actually you're saying about the publishing, publishing is yes, that's

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Speaker 6: But a lot of people like that I've worked with,

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Speaker 2: I didn't write your shit like cool, I'll keep roll

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Speaker 6: People like not getting into your publishing, and they've always

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Speaker 2: Element like I've owned like album masters and stuff.

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Speaker 6: But I always give the artists the freedom of choice,

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Speaker 2: So I let the artists have the freedom of choices

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Speaker 6: And sometimes the artists are happy about it, and others

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Speaker 2: Their whole catalog streaming wasn't an element that was incorporated

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Speaker 6: And I was just fighting a record label for three

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Speaker 2: And it's like why why they?

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Speaker 6: So so labels really do the monks to keep the

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Speaker 2: I never wanted to be one of the label guys.

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Speaker 6: So you know, not to say that they're all bad,

445
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 6: but it's like it's really hard to throw a rock

446
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 6: and not hit bad.

447
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 2: You know, you got to search for the good.

448
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 3: So what are labels to determine the the.

449
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 2: What is their ownership?

450
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 3: Putting songs on streaming sights when in a lot of contracts.

451
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 3: Thirty years ago there was no streaming, and now they're

452
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 3: putting these songs on What are they declaring?

453
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,239
Speaker 2: What are they saying that they have own shit? They

454
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 2: can do it, just yep, even though that's not in

455
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 2: your contract.

456
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 6: You're only going to fight it if you have the

457
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 6: legal and financial resources to do so, so, like Daylock

458
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 6: POWs an example that did.

459
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: But that's the language is not in ninety percent of contracts.

460
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 6: If you were signed from the eighties to early two thousand,

461
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 6: how could it it didn't exist.

462
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 2: I still give like, hey, rock Chet's manager was cracked.

463
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 2: We were doing a deal a.

464
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Speaker 6: Cole weeks ago. Dude, they still have the ring total

465
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 6: language in there. I'm like, you never know when that

466
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 6: shit will come back, so I'm not excluding it from

467
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 6: the paperwork. It's always something that could be a revenue

468
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 6: stream if we launched, if we launched a website and

469
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 6: sold rock chamb Ring Joes away from just a service provider,

470
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 6: that could still make money.

471
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 2: Ton He was lappy, like you really thought of it all.

472
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, like you know, like, just because something

473
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 6: is not making money right now, it might not be

474
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 6: this shit, it doesn't mean it won't come back, but

475
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 6: for your question, that didn't exist, so literally you could

476
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 6: fight this, as you know, and not to stay. You

477
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 6: went to a new deal, but maybe you know for

478
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 6: a record, hey, you give me an extra thirty grand

479
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 6: I'll do a new contract with you to have streaming

480
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 6: content license rights for five years across this span of material.

481
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Speaker 2: But the majority of artists are unaware of that.

482
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: That language.

483
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Speaker 6: Bonderoom don't even have these contracts. I mean like there

484
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 6: was nothing to stand in and save. It's like, here's

485
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 6: your tangible a printmage. Oh yeah, buying a piece of

486
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 6: paper for thirty years ago was like like where's my

487
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 6: security card of my BIRTHARSIP game like if if they're

488
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 6: locked away somewhere, you're not finding you and the label

489
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 6: job is not to help you recumbering exactly.

490
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they definitely not go volunteer that information. That

491
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 4: was something that we've been talking about actually is going

492
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 4: back and getting music to drive by those really pivotal

493
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 4: MC eight albums and just getting those back and really

494
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: just because we're seeing a renaissance of physical music, like

495
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 4: you know, if you.

496
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: Like Homie Rock, Marciano, Yep and different guys.

497
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: The sale with the cats, they're making a ton of

498
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 4: money man by selling catalog physical albums online man, and

499
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 4: people are buying them like the park YEP.

500
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 6: I signed Benny the Butcher to hold to the productions.

501
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 6: Like I said, I'm not a label, but sometimes I

502
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 6: believe in an artists so much. I'm like, I don't

503
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 6: want you.

504
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 2: To pay me and hire me to do my job,

505
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: like I will, I'll do it for you and we'll

506
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: win together.

507
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 6: And Betty was an example, and Ben at the time

508
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 6: had not sold more than five Winter records.

509
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: But I just believe you about like he looked most

510
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: talented to me from Betty Kinaway west Side.

511
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 6: And we worked our playing. I hoped him up with

512
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 6: like my pr network and stuff. Then can thought three

513
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 6: drop and it's it's I've been all up since there.

514
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 6: And then you know, we went from five hundred records

515
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 6: to like, hey, this tobd me almost to give me

516
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 6: a million bucks and this company is a million and

517
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 6: I was like I knew, I knew of like a

518
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 6: million dollar calls are coming and uh they're they're doing

519
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 6: a great job. In fact, Benny is playing in the

520
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 6: O C. So if you guys will have to join

521
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 6: me on the first So what's that.

522
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: Like two days? I think it's Saturday.

523
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Speaker 1: Oh, this Saturday. You know what I might miss later?

524
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Speaker 6: Benny ot the real you know, I bet thirty eight

525
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 6: Spash through Benny and Spash flew from Jersey to LA

526
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 6: to pay me for a popular dollar consultation.

527
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: I was at a club.

528
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 6: He literally came in the in the came to the

529
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 6: club with his suitcase and we had a drink.

530
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 2: I'm like, this guy here and do this business.

531
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Speaker 6: And like for now, I think seven years I've been

532
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 6: doing the in our administration for Trust Records and you

533
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 6: can't well I'll do like that, but you know that's

534
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 6: my big trust Black and you know, like I don't know,

535
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 6: seventy albums later between him as the artist and him

536
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 6: just producing for other artists, you know, with a MATHI

537
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 6: of almost a billion streams and you know the same thing,

538
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 6: the physicals fly. He watched his own vinyl company called

539
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 6: Air Vinyls at one point time just to beat the

540
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 6: demand and had the pressing you know, like on site.

541
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 6: By very proud of those guys because examples of you know,

542
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 6: not to say they're young like younger like in their teams,

543
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 6: but like they were learning as they go with their

544
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 6: the breeze and once.

545
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: You know, I don't.

546
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 6: I'm not like to end all be all for these artists,

547
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 6: but it's like I do put the battery to all

548
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 6: of these people's backs, and it's always like a joy

549
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 6: for me to see people like actually listen, I speak

550
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 6: and apply.

551
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: And it win.

552
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well doubt you know what you mentioned something that

553
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: we talked about the streaming, and we talked about publishing.

554
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: I was kind of doing the math in my head

555
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 4: when you was how does a record label not take

556
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 4: a piece of the publisher? You almost you know what

557
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 4: the way it is. I just think the whole record

558
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: industry needs. Their model is kind of outdated. Right, So

559
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: if you have an artist and I'm a label, almost

560
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 4: got to get a piece of artists show money. I

561
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 4: gotta get a piece of publishing. I gotta get a

562
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: piece of emergen, I gotta you know, get a piece

563
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 4: of damn and everything just to make my money back.

564
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 4: Right when I do think that they could go back

565
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 4: to a physical model and make it on the money again,

566
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 4: make it turn the money out every year.

567
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 6: The three sixty deals would encompass all that, and you know,

568
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 6: without looking at like eights contract just as an example there,

569
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 6: he probably started to addy a portion of publishing because

570
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 6: the labels, even before they called a three sixty, tried

571
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 6: to think of what all they can attach themselves to

572
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 6: in your modern contracts, especially content license deals, which the

573
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 6: creator of the music main he's the ownership of the music.

574
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 6: The label or distributor you're signing to has the right,

575
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 6: whether it's exclusive or not exclusive, to commercialize it for

576
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 6: a term three years, five years, seven years, ten years,

577
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 6: But they're not touching any of the publishing and for

578
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 6: rest at home. Yes, publishing, this is what I was

579
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 6: getting to. Publishing is the real estate. But you have

580
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 6: to pay.

581
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: Seeds in the right places.

582
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 6: Like you're not making publishing money just because your record

583
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 6: out like that's extremely royalties, that's sales royalties.

584
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: It's different. So when your music is used.

585
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 6: In television and film and and and placements like that

586
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 6: for like sports and stuff, that's where publishing comes into play,

587
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 6: and that's where you're really speaking your money.

588
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: So like, I never was interested.

589
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 6: In owning anyone's publishing because that's one area that I

590
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 6: wasn't actively far filiar. I'm not like sitting here trying

591
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 6: to license our music out to different labels and companies

592
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 6: and stuff like that to be used in various product places.

593
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 6: And that's you know, major labels have those departments. Independent labels.

594
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 6: If they get like a licening opportunity, it's really by chance,

595
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 6: and they're still going to take like, you know, like

596
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 6: a fifty to fifty percentage of whatever that money that's

597
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 6: come again, but are than that unless you see it

598
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 6: especially written in your contract. The labels not taking publishing

599
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 6: like in modern contracts.

600
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't.

601
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 2: I didn't have a publishing deal with Sony.

602
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: I ended up doing the publishing deal with another company

603
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 3: after because you I remember my publishing was stolen on

604
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: the first two records, so once I really got knowledge

605
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: of my publishing and routing and all of that, I

606
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: didn't do a publishing deal on my third project.

607
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: And then it.

608
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: Came after I did A Minute to Society and a

609
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: straight up Minute Soul. Yes, we had a publishing deal

610
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: with p perfect example.

611
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 6: You're still seeing publishing checks, you know, Chipper's Day from

612
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 6: that because with the commercial medium that is still you know,

613
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 6: like people can go buy the movie, they can stream

614
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 6: the movie, they can down them sou so.

615
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: As people are buying that that's a great example.

616
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 6: The song is placed in the movie, and therefore as

617
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 6: long as that's getting checks and after together sadtracks and

618
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 6: so forth, they'll always be publishing checks.

619
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: For those on the soundtrack.

620
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: Exactly.

621
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: I worked for Minded Music Publishing for six years, right,

622
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 4: and they had a lot of that they had to

623
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 4: get man be a mans sure. It was a funny

624
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: thing about that, because you know how to get being

625
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: got fucked and they publishing. Man, they went and got

626
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 4: publish it from them, back from the owner. They started

627
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: working with the group and was able to get the

628
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 4: publishing back right. They've been signed to them since then.

629
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: But their most valuable their most valuable asset was a

630
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: song called Truck with Dykee. You know the sample We're

631
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 4: gonna go back way back. They made millions of dollars

632
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: off the sample, man, just the sample license a loan

633
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 4: after the song is earned millions of dollars. Man, y'all

634
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 4: brought people's it's all these different records, right, so publishing

635
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 4: those down and you're right, you have to create a

636
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 4: value for you know, from radio play. If you artists

637
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 4: that don't get radio play, or you don't get those sinks,

638
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 4: you're not gonna earn much publish a revenue, you know

639
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, So you got to definitely build that

640
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: really stayed up one of the questions I was gonna

641
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: ask you, Right, all artists like money, and I haven't

642
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: met I haven't met too many artists that didn't have

643
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 4: financial troubles. Right, how often are you tasked with those

644
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: situations to where a guy just needs money?

645
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: Man to point where he assigned anything.

646
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: And it happened, I mean, it happens. That's a touching

647
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: one for me because.

648
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 6: Right, you know, I have artists I work with to work,

649
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 6: and I have artists that I work with some of

650
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 6: my friends, and I will always like have their best

651
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 6: interested at heart, so like Cheer or foul.

652
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: Worth.

653
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: But no, it was my family. I know his family.

654
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 6: You know, we are the other done making music, like

655
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 6: we're you know, hanging out and going to shows and

656
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 6: just like hanging out to the house and stuff like that.

657
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,239
Speaker 6: But when he passed away, and certain members of his

658
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 6: family that weren't familiar with me realized that years prior,

659
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 6: I had paid for the stem cell surgery he needed

660
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 6: to keep him alive, and it kept him while he

661
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 6: was supposed to live for like two weeks.

662
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: It kept him alive for extra two years.

663
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 6: Their first thing was, I wonder what our dad had

664
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 6: to sign over to Matt that he was going to

665
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 6: put up the money, and when they found out nothing,

666
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 6: I just.

667
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: Paid to keep my friend alive.

668
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 6: That kind of like shut that bullshit down, Like you know,

669
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 6: I don't just just because I had the money doesn't

670
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 6: meet up here like now you have to give me

671
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 6: every one of your records and blah blahlah blah blah. No,

672
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 6: that didn't exist, Like that was my friend and I

673
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 6: as my friend. I was willing to do whatever I

674
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 6: could because he couldn't do for himself. Now, there's always

675
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 6: examples where it's like I need money right now, and uh,

676
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 6: you know, I'll like it. And the crazy thing is

677
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 6: like these deals never work out, like people alwould need

678
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 6: money and they're willing to promise you the world, and

679
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 6: so I just don't do them if I can help

680
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 6: you in the business and media, like people are like

681
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 6: I'll give you next five albums, and I'm like no,

682
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 6: because it's just it's just no. Like I'm a good

683
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 6: person to my core. I come from good parents, I

684
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 6: come from a good education. I feel like, I really,

685
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 6: like darn everything in my power to separate myself from

686
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 6: the pack, and that's why I so much business comes

687
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 6: my way. They want to work with someone you can trust,

688
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 6: and I don't like I roll solo, Like all the

689
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 6: time you see me, I'm standing on my own and like,

690
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 6: if I did bad business, I got to answer for

691
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 6: that business.

692
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: But I did good business and I'm here for the praise.

693
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: So it's like I'll do a deal, like maybe, hey man,

694
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: let's just focus on one record. I'll see you what

695
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: I can do, the float, whatever you need. But I

696
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: don't want to get into something where it's like.

697
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 6: I have to then chase you and hunch you down

698
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 6: and remind you how I helped you in your time indeed,

699
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 6: and then everything you try to flip it all and

700
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 6: be like, oh, some kind of vulture. So it's like

701
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 6: either I'm gonna help you because I want to help

702
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 6: and I can, or I'm gonna help because there's something

703
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 6: in it for me, and that's you know, but I.

704
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: Don't want it to be I like, and sometimes it

705
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: gets like that, like, you know, I gave someone in

706
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: a car and it was my car. They just needed

707
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: a car, and I have.

708
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 6: Eight cars, and I'm like, look, if you're gonna get

709
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 6: in my car, just if it needs maintenance, just take

710
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 6: care of the maintenance. And then eight months later there's

711
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 6: like no little example, you know, like here's the maintenance bill.

712
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 6: They're like, oh, I can't pay it.

713
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Kind of shit. It's like, you know, so it's always

714
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: something so for me, if you're gonna do good, too good,

715
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: because like that's who you are, it's in your heart.

716
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 6: Otherwise, like all those stories in the book, there's one

717
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 6: hundred stories there, why should never fuck with all those people?

718
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 6: But like I'll remember the good times over this little

719
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 6: like funck shit times we had and still want to

720
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 6: see you win. So it's like unless I absolutely fucking

721
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 6: hate you, like even the people I hate, if I

722
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 6: can still get some money that I do right, Like uh,

723
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 6: like if Joe Bridge chapter like when we fell out,

724
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 6: when people would take me up to get burses from him,

725
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 6: like rack as you get price to do this, and

726
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 6: I got a stack for him, and I'll give you

727
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 6: a couple hundred bucks and I can still make like

728
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 6: Dranda bus like little ship like that, Like okay, like

729
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna stop your money train.

730
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: I just don't want to be part of your program.

731
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 4: As a business. You know, I'm glad you brought you know,

732
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 4: xale situation. If it's me and Sina was cool, you know,

733
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 4: we were real cool. I ain't gonna say we was

734
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 4: the best friends, but me and Sheina had been cool

735
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: and we've stayed tight over the years. We actually meet

736
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 4: him the Kendrick Lamar did a ricord Wow and get

737
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: early like early Kinder Lamor.

738
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: This is like sex eighty.

739
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 4: This is it Snati kindergot you know, I don't know

740
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 4: on top of them dudes man to punch and all

741
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: them dudes since they was over in cursing recording. You know,

742
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: I would like to say we got a friendship right.

743
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 4: And I know when I first heard about the you know,

744
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: seen a thing your name came up, it wasn't in

745
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 4: the most positive light, right. But I'm not a person

746
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 4: to think of emotion. I like to know the facts

747
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 4: that I like to hear to both sides of the story, right,

748
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 4: because I've had time to where I know I've been.

749
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: I know I've done it right by people only be

750
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: called only to be called later on the thief and

751
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 4: everything else. You know what I'm saying, so I know

752
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: how that feels. So I always like, if people are benefited,

753
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 4: doubt right, if they're wait for y'all man to squatch

754
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 4: all this stuff man, because I don't think family should

755
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: be bumping heads like that.

756
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: Ain't none of my business. But it ain't got to

757
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: be a tough situation.

758
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 6: It's tough because it's yeah, there's I'm at the core

759
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 6: of it. But the real bat is amongst the family.

760
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 6: So you have Cino's oldest daughter over here, and she's

761
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 6: the one that's not an m at fan.

762
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: I did not know this person existed. And I've said

763
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: this so many times.

764
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 6: If you're like I find that hard to believe, I'm like,

765
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 6: you can find it whatever the fuck you want.

766
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the truth.

767
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 6: Like I did not hear Chino mention her once to

768
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 6: be INTEP engineers, but I knew Lyric. I knew Baladozo's

769
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 6: Chino's other two kids. So when after he passed, and

770
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 6: I'm like, what can I do for the family here, Like,

771
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 6: you're wrong for like excluding her, But I didn't exclude

772
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 6: her at first, Like I covered I paid for the

773
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 6: funeral and that had to go through her. I did

774
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 6: that and rocked Kim as well, like we came together

775
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 6: from the album royalties. I'm like, let's let's set this aside.

776
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 6: And they're like, well, that was rock Kim's money. I'm like,

777
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 6: it's my money. But anyway, we gave it to you.

778
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 6: We paid the funeral.

779
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: But they have been.

780
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 6: Approaching the busy your side and I'm not heartless and

781
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 6: I understand there's emotions in both and stuff like that.

782
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 6: But Immortal Technique came and told them, Hey, I'm going

783
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 6: to work with M eighty. I'm gonna find out who

784
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 6: owned the bol of Chino's music. Now this I'm going

785
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 6: to break down hew at Hope as well. Give two

786
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 6: types of artists Benny and Spash who used as earlier examples.

787
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 6: These are artists that record music whenever they feel like

788
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 6: recording music so they can go sell it.

789
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: Shop it make money.

790
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 6: Those are what you as an artist, You should strive

791
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 6: to be that kind of artist. You're creative, so you create.

792
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 6: Gino was not that artist. Sheino released albums every four

793
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 6: or five years for years. I was trying to get

794
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 6: him on a program to put out more music so

795
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 6: he would not have to complain about financial stuff like that.

796
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 6: So she know, thank god, you know, we have to

797
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 6: screech out because China deleted them all, so they act

798
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 6: like they never existed. Gino finally was on the program,

799
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 6: was like, I'm gonna drop three albums this year. I'm

800
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 6: working on five albums right now. They're the next couple

801
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 6: of years. So it's like, okay, cool, you're gonna avail

802
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 6: yourself to having more income like your fate. You're gonna

803
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 6: be able to tour more. Everything was more so more

804
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 6: a more techniques, like I'm gonna work with them, and

805
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 6: he find out who owed all these records, so she

806
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 6: know was an example, he was only rapping when paying him.

807
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: To make an album, du doringa the studio because he

808
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 2: had a song in mind.

809
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 6: And last he was working with like a top produced

810
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 6: her someone like like he was really good friends with

811
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 6: Focus from Aftermath him a focus to go in and

812
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 6: knocks it out whatever. But she know wasn't doing that

813
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 6: the other ninety nine percent of the time. So I

814
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 6: was able to find like get the list your ted tears,

815
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 6: who owes each album? So she know like Tubac left

816
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 6: more material in the afterlife than he released because he

817
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 6: was such a perfectionist. Nothing was ever good though, Like

818
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 6: he finished the album God's Carpenter because I paid stem

819
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 6: cell surgery that kept.

820
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: Him live and he felt rejuvenated to recorded. He was

821
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: able to finish the record. So like, I'm thankful people

822
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: will give me credit for that.

823
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 6: Then China says, we don't have like a more technique

824
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 6: who was offering to pay these people get the masters

825
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 6: and give them to the family as a whole. So

826
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 6: China lyric ambala. China says, no, that's not necessary because

827
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 6: when our father passed, we automatically own everything.

828
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's a made up wall that that does

829
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: not exist in my licensing catalog of music.

830
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 6: I own records from DMX, Prodigy, Bred the God's Son,

831
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 6: The Jack of Matt dre Sean Price, Like, at least.

832
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: It doesn't ortist who passed away.

833
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 6: And it's like just because they pass away to the

834
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 6: meaning they're not mine anymore paid from their contrain and

835
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 6: whatever is No, it's clear you had.

836
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: Those apples to them prior to their demise.

837
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, bear his as enter my list and cattle. Yes, okay, guys.

838
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 6: So so I'm like, I don't understand why China is

839
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 6: not embracing a moratal technique, like, Okay, this is brilliant.

840
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 6: I don't know if he would have actually done he

841
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 6: r not, but he said he was, so I'm gonna

842
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 6: believe his work because he was posted with Chino as

843
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 6: well and did a lot of good for China's lifetime.

844
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: Though towards the end it was kind of rocky, so

845
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: I thought I should have given the okay go ahead

846
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: and do that. And then no, we don't. We don't

847
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: need you to buy the ship. We already own it.

848
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: You don't own any of it.

849
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 6: There's there's one record Chino left that there was no

850
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 6: business administration done that you could claim like it was

851
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 6: a China was doing to add an album with Mad

852
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 6: Living Odo and so no business ad been done.

853
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: Sheino would still own his vocals, so that's that's you.

854
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: You can own it. But madd Live would own his beats.

855
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: Oh no, would own his beats. Do you work out

856
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: the business?

857
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 6: Like I knew that this album Darkness mat of Colors,

858
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 6: and I'm the executive producer of that was supposed to

859
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 6: come out before Cheto passed, and Cheto wanted to make

860
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks because of something on the Eminem

861
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 6: album and he thought was conflicting with his album, but

862
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 6: he turned into masters like it was owned by this

863
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 6: by the producer body Bag Ben for his company.

864
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: And what I did was I.

865
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 6: Bought the master to that album from Ben, and I

866
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 6: bought Chiino Left an album called Map of Bones. These

867
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 6: are just like two examples of like twelve Okay it works,

868
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 6: Chino Let.

869
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: I bought them, look them out.

870
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 6: Turned the master rights didn't contract over to the youngest daughters,

871
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 6: and they get accounted statements every Friday. So you got

872
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 6: people that are like, and maybe he actually did what

873
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: he said he was gonna do. Oh have to then

874
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 6: you have China. Well I'm not eating off it, so

875
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 6: fuck you. I'm like, but there's and other albums those

876
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 6: who too that I had ownership of cool bought and

877
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 6: transmit the right. I'm not doing that anymore. I did

878
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 6: that to show you that I'm gonna.

879
00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: Walk my tour.

880
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 6: Now you guys can go do that now. It's I

881
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 6: wish I wish it wasn't a thing. You know, I

882
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 6: went the family could be together. But everything they've done

883
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 6: is a lie, and there's a mad Everything he's saying

884
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 6: is a lie. It's not like I literally Buffy's rights.

885
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 6: I gave it to the daughters. They get their statements.

886
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 6: The unfortunate thing is they've had to use all this

887
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 6: money in court to fight their own family.

888
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 2: They've been funny. First year, let's buy cars and stuff.

889
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 6: I got a car, like one of my cars I

890
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 6: gave to where Chino's youngest term sixteen.

891
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: I gave it to her, and I'm like, this was

892
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: my dream car around sixteen.

893
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 6: But you find your dream car, go trade it in

894
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 6: and then like, you know, that'll be the doubt payment

895
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 6: all that stuff it.

896
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: It would be way more ideal if all of us

897
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: could work together, you know. And one of the last

898
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: texts I'd ever sent in China was I guess one

899
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: of Chino's next girlfriends had.

900
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 6: Reached out to be like, look, you might not like

901
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 6: m Ad and how he like navigates and moves and

902
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 6: stuff like that, but he was there for Chi and

903
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 6: he he knows the business.

904
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: I was there for all the business. I can tell

905
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: you who owns what like and against that, and not

906
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 2: the guy.

907
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 6: I know the people that owe these records, so I

908
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 6: could make it to where these people would work with

909
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 6: the family and give them the cut.

910
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: But they're literally like just disrespecting the fuck out of

911
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: his legacy.

912
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 6: People that bought features from Gino, they're they're putting copyright

913
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 6: strikes on their music, and it's like people that have

914
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 6: these records they're.

915
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: Trying to like shut down, and I just I don't

916
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: stand for that.

917
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 6: I'm about the music, like I WoT the music to

918
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 6: be heard, and you know, I think about the artist

919
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 6: on to come up that Chino might have been their

920
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 6: favorite artists and spent boards trying to you know, save

921
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 6: money from their paychecks just to give Cheeto verse over

922
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 6: there now have the China side of the family kept

923
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 6: their shit down and like disrespect his legacy, like you know,

924
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 6: he left this for the people to hear, versus like

925
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 6: his youngest daughters and their mothers and their rap that

926
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 6: used to work pr for CHET based on up the

927
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 6: page to the ChFL legacy page, our chancel tribute page,

928
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 6: because they're actually like interested in honoring their father, and

929
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 6: it seems like THECHXL Pageville state they just spent literally

930
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 6: the majority of their posts about me. It's like, you

931
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 6: disrespect to the fuck are your pomp's legacy? Like I

932
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 6: was there for him, like no one else put up

933
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 6: as might have saved his life. I paid his backpack

934
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 6: to that I paid for the roop over his head,

935
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 6: the car he drove me into life. Someone that hit

936
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 6: like his car and he needed a car, and I

937
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 6: got the car for him. Like, and you're making me

938
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 6: to be the bad guy. I'm literally the best guy

939
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 6: in the scenario.

940
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 2: I've never had any kind of hints.

941
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 6: I have never had anything remotely like this with DMX,

942
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 6: I worked with for the last six years of his life.

943
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 6: With Sean price for I works with a decade, and

944
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 6: every time I go to New York, I still see

945
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 6: his wife for the debt, Bri the godsoens people. This

946
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 6: is so crazy to me because I'm the closest with

947
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 6: Chino and I'm getting worst.

948
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: Shit than I have from anyone else I've worked with

949
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: ever that that has in the moment.

950
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 3: But is it because is it because that that because

951
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: of projects that you had with him without their knowledge

952
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 3: and because.

953
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 6: Of the like none of the projects were mine right

954
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 6: and I would do like I'd help him broke her

955
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 6: the deals for these projects.

956
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: And even though I found out shit after he passed

957
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: that I.

958
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 6: Was really upset about, like the last two album deals

959
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 6: I've broke her for him were for over like twenty

960
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 6: five grand, and then you said, you know, some people

961
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 6: are just willing to sign anything when they need money.

962
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: I found out, you know, did a EP deal behind

963
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: my back for two thousand.

964
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 6: Bucks, and I'm like, what, Like the last two features

965
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 6: I got you just spitting sixteen bar verses.

966
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: Were for a p Jees apiece. So like you know

967
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: that I didn't answer to two questions. Now when people

968
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: really need it, don't do anything. But you know, I

969
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: don't have to answer, man, I don't have to answer.

970
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 6: But like at this point, it's like, just do what

971
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 6: you're gonna do legally like or whatever, like, because there's

972
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 6: nothing against me.

973
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: Like they're like, he owned our dad's publishing. I'm like,

974
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.

975
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 6: I'll give you a million bucks if you showed me

976
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 6: that I own any percentage of publishing any Cheetos thought

977
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 6: of the world.

978
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 2: Of course they can't because I don't. He's been taking

979
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: the royalties.

980
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 6: So here here's a statement from the label that they

981
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 6: literally pay the youngest daughters directly. So it's like all

982
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 6: the shit they put out there about me, it's like

983
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 6: you're just trying to make me look bad for the

984
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 6: sake of make you look bad. But I'm the only

985
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 6: person in this equation with music experience, so it's not

986
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 6: gonna work. Like people aren't just gonna be like oh,

987
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 6: because you're a Cheeto's daughter, like wow, Like they want.

988
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: The music too, they wanted to be heard and in crazy.

989
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 6: To think if Cheeto has been gone up for a

990
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 6: year and change and it's like you're still on me,

991
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 6: go do Like I was really happy when they launched

992
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 6: a g XL merch page because now you get to

993
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 6: sell something and see that this million.

994
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: Dollars you thought was at the end of the rainbow

995
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 2: is not there.

996
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: Like you had.

997
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: This was crazy to me. You know, him signed undraded

998
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 2: action figures. Okay, he's gone. You cannot he can't sign

999
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: anything more.

1000
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 6: There's one hundred action business for sale and they sold

1001
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 6: thirty or forty, So you are coming at me for

1002
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 6: money I touch every fucking day.

1003
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: Good for me. I work hard, I have lots of

1004
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: clients to do lots of work. Yet, but you're thinking

1005
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: that there's some pot of gold here that isn't. Everything's

1006
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: like I did was.

1007
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 6: To help, you know, like I used to help kill

1008
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 6: a Priest and me and Priest fell out, which strengthened

1009
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 6: my relationship with she, and I'm grateful for that, but

1010
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 6: I'm happy that you got to see it not there.

1011
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 6: I had emails from Evan Labels when I was shopping

1012
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 6: the Darkness in Our Car album. That's the album that

1013
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 6: we released after she passed, and that's what the family

1014
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 6: took issue with.

1015
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: It's essentially like a suicide note.

1016
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what it is.

1017
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 6: But she worked on that album for four years, so

1018
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 6: people got perspective to how long he'd been feeling this way.

1019
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 6: The label that offered the most money on the likes

1020
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 6: of the deal two thousand dollars on a seven year

1021
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 6: licensed term. And that might sound crazy, but that's the

1022
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 6: reality of Cheetos like that, that's his reality for what

1023
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 6: his music makes. He has twenty thousand spotified Mobly listeners.

1024
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 6: You know, New passed sixty eight million. It's a different

1025
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 6: playing field or eighty six millions. So they find it

1026
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 6: really hard to believe that she actually had someone in

1027
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 6: his life that wasn't taking advantage of him, like like

1028
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 6: even they we had a management we had a management

1029
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 6: contract that she was like, I want you to represent

1030
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 6: me like, I'm not a manager.

1031
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: I've had to manage artists in certain scenarios.

1032
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 6: Like Cannabis had a manager who like took this money

1033
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 6: and did and so like if the ship was gonna run,

1034
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 6: I got step in. Same with Cappadonnaca Wu Tang Clan.

1035
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 6: I broke into this record deal for that, but his

1036
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 6: manager took his cut and dipped. But we had a

1037
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 6: tour coming up all stuff, so to make sure everything

1038
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 6: went smoothly, I had to like help my auntie.

1039
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: We were shopping before you go.

1040
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 4: Man, don't you sound crazy to me? A motherfucker taking

1041
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: somebody's money and just leaving.

1042
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, like like if as if that was their endgame.

1043
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 6: Owing backfires because when you do good business, do you

1044
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 6: have longevity money? Why are you doing buck shit? Not

1045
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 6: only are you putting your target on your back, but

1046
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 6: that money will be going as soon as it came.

1047
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: That's crazy, man.

1048
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 6: Yes, and my after A and R and how I

1049
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 6: started my company. The first record I ever ate R

1050
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 6: made over a million bucks and I got two thousand dollars.

1051
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: Okay. From that moment, I'm like, I have to have

1052
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: my own shit. This take can do you to happen

1053
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: I can't survive like this. So when I started my.

1054
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 6: Company, all the deals go through me. I sit down

1055
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 6: with like you know, corrupt or Crooked, I, plant Asia or.

1056
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: Whoever it is. Here's the deal.

1057
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take X.

1058
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: You get this? You want to do this deal?

1059
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: Yes or no.

1060
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 6: I've paid myself so literally for twenty one years. I've

1061
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 6: never been like, hey, each Shipley rapper team you only buddy.

1062
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 6: It's been such a relief y you know, but imagine

1063
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 6: getting there are two thousand bucks.

1064
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: Up a million?

1065
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 5: What projects did you do with? So you will can

1066
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 5: work with the Pentagon label? Yes, I was the VP

1067
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 5: of Pentagon for a while. Then corrupt Crup's like, all right,

1068
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 5: we need to Like I mean we still work. Obviously

1069
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 5: we work together. We're doing an album right now. But

1070
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 5: he like I didn't want to work with all corrupts

1071
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 5: other people. He just randomly called me every week and

1072
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 5: be like see I got so and so on the line,

1073
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 5: like like sneak the third person on the phone call

1074
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 5: and we're gonna do this album. And I'm like if

1075
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 5: they pay me, no, but this is Kindagon.

1076
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 6: I'm like, it doesn't work like that, bro, I will

1077
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 6: work your records in anticipation of going to get the bag,

1078
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 6: like rappers are supposed to do in my example with

1079
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 6: Betty and s Fash and stuff.

1080
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: You create music to go shop it to get the money.

1081
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 6: Cool, Like, don't only be a rapper who raps when

1082
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 6: you're being paid to rap if that's for a feature.

1083
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: But know that you know, like like eight right now,

1084
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: could could make an A side B side.

1085
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 6: Single, put it on a CD or seven inch vinyl

1086
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 6: Stamby to press three hundred these, sign them, personalize them,

1087
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 6: and sell out in probably.

1088
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: Seventy two hours.

1089
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, right, we do.

1090
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: Like the it's the creative. There's always an outlet to

1091
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:53,959
Speaker 2: get to the bag.

1092
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 6: But don't be one people that only wills to create

1093
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 6: when there's a bag and play. So well, I'm like, okay, well,

1094
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 6: if you're not gonna work all these records and you'll

1095
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 6: just be like, you know, you're just for me, I'm like,

1096
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 6: yet exactly like I'm not, you know, I think I

1097
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 6: h Corupt even took me off of well the Jody

1098
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 6: OG's and my first Generation and stuff because he got

1099
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 6: mad that people were calling me more to like you

1100
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 6: could do workship than he was calling but he's like,

1101
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 6: I'm telling him just totally be well, yeah, we you know,

1102
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 6: we did the Academy, we did Pentagon Riders, we did.

1103
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 2: Well.

1104
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 6: I mean his newest the Death Row record that's coming out,

1105
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 6: working on a very very secretive record that we're going

1106
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 6: to finish November nineteenth of New York. That's gonna be

1107
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 6: twenty twenty six, a big, big deal. But yeah, corrupt

1108
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 6: corrupt is one of those artists I put in like

1109
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 6: the eighties friends category, you know, Crup crup, headlined by wedding.

1110
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 1: It's awesome, that's crazy. You know what, man, I'm gonna

1111
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: tell you. So this is what I've noticed. Man.

1112
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 4: First one, they've seen those situations. I'm gonna leave that alone.

1113
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 4: I do one percent believe Homie would want to see

1114
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: his key is fighting, Like.

1115
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: No, not at all. You know, go sit down and

1116
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: talk this this scene.

1117
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 6: I got back from a point on that because I

1118
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 6: didn't touch on it for the longest time. They're like,

1119
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 6: m mad is the divide. We want the family to

1120
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 6: be together. So I'm like, Okay, I'm going to see

1121
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 6: how this plays out. Because you know, if the estate

1122
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 6: is he left three heirs, there's China Lyric and Bella.

1123
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 6: So if they really come together, then cool. Everyone's gonna

1124
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 6: get their money anyway. Like and when I turned when

1125
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 6: the label turns the money over to Ericon, Bella, if

1126
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 6: they want to give China something, they can, and the

1127
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 6: same thing with China when they sell the action figures

1128
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 6: or merch If she wants to get the younger dog,

1129
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 6: why they can.

1130
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: That's that's not my business at all. I understand them.

1131
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: But the reality was.

1132
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 6: Kinda took the youngest to court and wanted sold control

1133
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 6: of the estate. And when it was like, well, Lyric

1134
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 6: is too young, She's she just turned sixteen.

1135
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: She just sits hand to time.

1136
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 6: Bella had a lot of medical problems early on her

1137
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 6: and her and when her birth, and she made a

1138
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 6: song about it on the Reconstruction album. So like Jonathan

1139
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 6: OEPs pulled her sisters out to steal the estate, like

1140
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 6: now it's just me, even though you have other living heirs.

1141
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 6: So they got cut out of having a say in

1142
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 6: the father's estate. I don't stay in for that. They

1143
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 6: kept selling to the public anyone that would listen. Yeah,

1144
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 6: like of course, it's a like we're a familial unit.

1145
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 6: Like the money that came in for cheto like like

1146
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 6: donations and stuff. The youngest daughters never saw a Senate do.

1147
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 6: That's the kind of shit that makes me be like,

1148
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 6: you guys, stay far the fuck away from me over here.

1149
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 6: So I'm standing up for the youngest daughters because because Doug,

1150
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 6: I do that, and she's lifetime, and I just have

1151
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 6: a hard time steading up for a thirty seve year

1152
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 6: old woman that has her own family that I never

1153
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 6: knew you.

1154
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: I won't.

1155
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 4: One thing that's really important at all this I think

1156
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 4: I was just talking to eighth of the day about this.

1157
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: I think it's very important while we're sitting here, leave family.

1158
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 4: This is equal to the common man after to sitting

1159
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: at home. Don't assume that when you die your family

1160
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 4: will get your stuff.

1161
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: You have a house.

1162
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 4: If you don't have your shit together the house, we'll

1163
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 4: go into probate, and we'll go into probate. House happened

1164
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 4: a million times. It don't matter if you and your

1165
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 4: father and mama is in the same house. Something happened

1166
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 4: to them. Hill are your business while you're here on

1167
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 4: the party. Breathe all right, he was going, it's all

1168
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 4: that's listening mental.

1169
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, it's just unfortunate when you know, people die

1170
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: without any direction of what's to be left or what's

1171
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: to go here or there, and thus you have confusion

1172
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 3: and always seems like dickering with the family. And I'm

1173
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: pretty sure if you're any kind of artist or entertainer,

1174
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: you know, the wolves get to coming out, you know

1175
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, as of what the potential might be

1176
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 3: or what they feel might get happen, you know, for

1177
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: their pockets. And that's unfortunate because I'm sure if a

1178
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: nigga could bless everyone, he could, but you know, their

1179
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: situations that get left behind. And so when people aren't

1180
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 3: doing this fortunate themselves, you know, it always presents opportunities

1181
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: when when unfortunate deaths happen.

1182
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: Exactly you know, and it sounds more, but I'm gonna

1183
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 4: tell you just on the personal note, I remember my

1184
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 4: mom's hit me and my mom's and there set Thank god,

1185
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 4: she's still going to laying of living man with all

1186
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 4: her father about her her and my step pop said

1187
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 4: us on the phone, and all the kids, and she

1188
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 4: telling my sisters an attorney.

1189
00:56:59,520 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: She said that.

1190
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: The two guys are the administrators and everything is getting

1191
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 4: down in the middle. Of everybody. It's getting it. Everything

1192
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 4: is split up equally, right. And I said, Mom, I

1193
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 4: don't want to talk about this. Take your money and

1194
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 4: go have fun, you know, go go kick it out.

1195
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 4: I don't need nothing from you.

1196
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: We all grown.

1197
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 4: We all said the same thing. She said, No, I

1198
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 4: don't like talking about that. She said, no, this, You

1199
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 4: need to know this, This stuff needs to know you know.

1200
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 4: She said, your sister got all the past words, everything,

1201
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 4: banking stuff and everything like that. So their business is

1202
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 4: handled and hopefully we don't see that for a long time.

1203
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 5: Right.

1204
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: It made me go get my stuff together.

1205
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 4: Because I was getting around your man, it only costs

1206
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred calls to go get a trust man, it's

1207
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 4: only fifteen hundred dollars. And I think you can find

1208
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 4: other people. I think you can do it cheaper through

1209
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 4: other people. There's ways to you know this man, because

1210
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 4: this is really sad to me.

1211
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: It's like.

1212
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 4: Leave, you know.

1213
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 6: It was that the mental state, but like his mind

1214
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 6: was deteriorating. Like he told me I was going to Australia.

1215
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 6: I was gonna be gone for like two weeks. He said,

1216
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 6: when you come back, I won't be live. And so

1217
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,479
Speaker 6: I called him every day from Australia and we talked

1218
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 6: and one day he didn't answer and I was freaking out.

1219
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: Ben had got home and he called me. It was

1220
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: a lot. So I wish that we could have taken

1221
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 2: it in a couple of days to get it.

1222
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: Get it?

1223
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: What did she know?

1224
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 6: As a friend who I had despised, But Tito's friend

1225
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 6: was smart enough to reach out, Hey, my dad's gonna

1226
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 6: pass and can you help me with this paperwork?

1227
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: And I'm like, shir did like that's that's a good

1228
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: thing to do. I'll do that for you, which we

1229
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: could have done it, but she's mine was just not there,

1230
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: you know, And.

1231
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter if you have ten dollars to your

1232
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 6: name or millions, you still should have the direction.

1233
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, of all things.

1234
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 6: She know left some notes for his daughters, just of

1235
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 6: like sympathy and like, hey, I'd like to see this

1236
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 6: happened next well, you know, let them like suggestions. I

1237
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 6: had to let them know, but I'd like to see

1238
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 6: this happen with the music so so form like so

1239
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 6: they eat so knowing that it's saying okay, I'm gonna

1240
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 6: make sure to turn these masters over.

1241
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: In fact, like on the one album.

1242
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 6: Ben wouldn't sell it to me unless I wrote in

1243
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 6: there that I was eventually going to turn the master

1244
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 6: and and the profits over to Lyric, who's his youngest

1245
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 6: and I spent the most time with she and Lyric.

1246
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: Lyric would come to all the studio sessions stuff like that.

1247
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 6: So that very is, you know, good on Ben's part,

1248
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 6: and Ben like agreed today, I don't want to see

1249
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 6: your royal uses, you know, So it's just imperative that

1250
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 6: like even after Sheo passed.

1251
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: Like I updated my will and stuff like that, like

1252
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: who I think what the most important to me?

1253
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 6: Who's you know, I specifically left instructions on who's to

1254
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 6: take over the company, Like it's not it's not a.

1255
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: Family member of mine.

1256
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 6: It's well, miss Spartan, your mind and whether you know,

1257
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 6: don't not if he can be trusted as to take

1258
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 6: care of my family after that passed, when applied, I'm

1259
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 6: willing to pull the dikes because.

1260
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 4: This book, man, I'm gonna tell you it's a good

1261
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 4: read man, it's really entertaining it.

1262
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: Where cat people, who's book? Are you self publishing this?

1263
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 2: Well? This is all self publishing, you know, I like

1264
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: intentionally haven't done the.

1265
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 6: Paperwork yet for Amazon and Barnes and Nobles, because like

1266
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 6: I want, I want to do it all.

1267
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 2: Myself, Like I treated the book by the Street to

1268
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: keep an album.

1269
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 6: By you know, when I'm coming to help you build

1270
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 6: the records from scratch, I'm doing the ad then I'm

1271
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 6: dropping it, like I wanted to really feel like, Okay,

1272
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 6: I'll be your one stop shop eventually. I'm sure I'll

1273
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 6: do the paperwork for Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Saw

1274
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 6: that like maybe get twit tomorrow. But website is any?

1275
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: Was that okay? So it's available on your website?

1276
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1277
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 6: The the website is that it's a shopping by account.

1278
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 6: It's a hundred ways dot my shopify dot com.

1279
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: It's a long one.

1280
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 6: But on my Instagram that will you just click the

1281
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 6: first link in the buy I'll take you right to

1282
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 6: the book. It's a paperback and hard bound. There's two

1283
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 6: different editions, a couple of free digital download. There is

1284
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 6: a curated playlist we're gonna launch on release date as well.

1285
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 6: It's twenty two tracks like the best Songs of n

1286
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 6: R from Jouph the four to twenty five one song

1287
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 6: per year. So you kind of have like a soundtrack

1288
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 6: to the book, and then we're doing like this autograt

1289
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 6: memorabilia raffle on November fourth that everyone that bought the

1290
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 6: book during the pre order.

1291
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: Or or on release date November third as them should

1292
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: to win.

1293
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 6: There's items some like rock Jim and Wu Tang and

1294
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 6: corrupt and uh so much more in there. So but yeah,

1295
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 6: the book is a concept that came up with in

1296
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen. But it was originally titled Who's Your A

1297
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 6: and R? So a less morbid titled. But you know, okay,

1298
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 6: the themes were just that was like the best stories

1299
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 6: from my work history. This was Yo, there's game here

1300
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 6: about like how my life's constantly major from very like

1301
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 6: whether it's Apple work or show words or you know,

1302
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 6: whatever these deals are. Let me just switch it up

1303
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 6: and you know, then then you know, the last eighteen

1304
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 6: months I really buckled down and was working like four

1305
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 6: or five days a week, like six seven hours a night,

1306
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 6: just buck completion.

1307
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1308
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: It was just a very entertaining read. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 4: It was pleasantly surprised. Man, it was very entertaining. Man,

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Speaker 4: you got something right here, you know. Well, now before

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Speaker 4: we bounce, man, I'm gonna leave a link to the

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Speaker 4: book in our description, right, thank you for sure. You know,

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Speaker 4: rock Kim is probably one of my favorite rappers all

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Speaker 4: the time. I know he get there pretty out on

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Speaker 4: your list too, right, Yeah, yeah, definitely, I know my mood.

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Speaker 4: He's always in my top five or top ten. Oh yeah, round.

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Speaker 4: I kind of go back and forth with him and

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Speaker 4: camee right, But I'm gonna tell you this, man, we

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Speaker 4: can finishing up his last album, right, his last album?

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Speaker 4: How hard would have been to that collable?

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Speaker 1: Man? I think that'd be dope Rock Kim and well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think for and.

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Speaker 2: We outa there, we outa here. Yeah. So, like you've

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Speaker 2: read my book, so you know I wrote the book

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Speaker 2: like I'm talking to you.

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Speaker 6: That's how it reads, like you feel like I'm literally

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Speaker 6: telling you a story, just like in front of your

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Speaker 6: face kind of shit.

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Speaker 2: I love how I wrote that.

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Speaker 6: So Kim has respect for so many people, like like

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Speaker 6: like the whole God's Network, reaperbout my mate is literally

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Speaker 6: brought Kim and his peers, and you know, so rab

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Speaker 6: like say say he was in a room talking to

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Speaker 6: eight we should.

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Speaker 1: Do the soul Robert. Let's definitely do that.

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Speaker 6: Rock Jim's manager always finds a way to insert himself

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Speaker 6: and make sure it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, shit, let y'all make it app and they connect

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Speaker 2: this ship. So like, that's that's the comic thing. I thought.

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Speaker 6: Just even even if you read the Rock Chim chapter

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Speaker 6: my book, I'm like, oh, Rob, break every bow of

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Speaker 6: your manag's body. Hey, man, that's what you gotta do, dude.

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Speaker 6: Like I'm trying to keep the tray moving. It's not

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Speaker 6: it's not impossible. I will physically DEALI brought Kim on

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Speaker 6: on the eighteenth of the month.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry of November, so hey, maybe just a reminder.

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Speaker 4: Well that concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

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Speaker 4: the show, leave a comment and rating. Executive producers for

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Speaker 4: The Gangst Chronicles podcasts of Norman Steel Aaron M.

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Speaker 1: C a Tyler.

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Speaker 4: editors tell It Hayes. The Gangster Chronicles is a production

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