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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot com. John Schmulk lands Meadow

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Speaker 1: us in just a couple of minutes to break down

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Speaker 1: to two thousand and nineteen quarterback draft class. And in

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Speaker 1: Mr Meadow is our poll question for the day. The

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Speaker 1: question is how many quarterbacks will be taken in the

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Speaker 1: first round of the two thousand and nineteen NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Choice one is zero to one, Choice two is two,

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Speaker 1: Choice three is three, and choice four is four or more.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna click in here and say three, which has

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Speaker 1: now forty nine percent with two hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 1: votes yet to cast. Well. Most people think Haskins and

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Speaker 1: Murray are going the first round. The question is will

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Speaker 1: a third one go in the first round? It seems

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Speaker 1: as if the majority that's in at this point. Believe,

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Speaker 1: what did you vote? The number will be three? I

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Speaker 1: voted to Okay, So you think it's just gonna be

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Speaker 1: Haskins and Murray that that's where I'm leaning towards right now,

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Speaker 1: stocks ste rise and fall obviously leading up to the draft,

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Speaker 1: but I would say two is a safe bet at

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Speaker 1: this I think we're gonna get a Ricchi Ricchi Ricchi

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Speaker 1: and we'll see how that goes. And just to talk

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Speaker 1: about that and all the other quarterbacks in the draft

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Speaker 1: class in twenty nineteen, is our guy, Derek Class and Derek,

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Speaker 1: I've been a follow up yours on Twitter for a while.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to finally get you on the show. He

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Speaker 1: works the film room for Football Outside, as you got

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Speaker 1: John Schmulk and Lance Meadow on Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com in East Rutherford, New Jersey. How

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Speaker 1: you doing today, Pal, I'm doing great. How are you guys?

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Speaker 1: We're doing great? Uh And you're really informative Twitter feed.

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Speaker 1: You've been reviewing quarterbacks for a few years now, and

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Speaker 1: I think this year's class is interesting. It's not, at

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Speaker 1: least in my opinion, and I think most people is

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Speaker 1: not nearly as strong as last year's class. And I

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Speaker 1: kind of want to get into it and start with

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray first because he kind of a now two

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Speaker 1: days ago that he's gonna try to play football, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of the talk here and I hate both

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Speaker 1: sides of this argument. You have one side of the

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Speaker 1: old school football guys, oh, you can't have a short quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Then you have the analytics guys and say, hey, doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter at all. But it really is a bit in

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Speaker 1: the middle, isn't it when you take a look at

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Speaker 1: how Kyla Mauri plays in college. Absolutely, because I don't

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Speaker 1: think Um his height necessarily like kills the way he plays.

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Speaker 1: I think he does legitimately have some issues of not

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Speaker 1: being created in the way that he moves around the

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Speaker 1: there was a stat work didn't get bad at the

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Speaker 1: line very many times, but a lot of that also

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Speaker 1: has to do with the way Oklahoma was scheming him

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Speaker 1: um and just how comfortable those pockets were a lot

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Speaker 1: deep drops in the pocket. You can move the pocket

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Speaker 1: a lot, whether that be a rollout or like an

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Speaker 1: a lot. So in terms of height, there's there's really

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Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily the biggest issue with him. It's

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of the other ways that he handles

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Speaker 1: this height. And I think that's why the argument with

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Speaker 1: him is so fascinating. Yeah, it really is. I want

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Speaker 1: to do one more follow up before I passed you

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Speaker 1: off the lance here on Murray Um specifically when it

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Speaker 1: comes to height. One thing I saw from him in college,

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Speaker 1: from last year of Baker can do it, then why

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Speaker 1: can't Kyla Murray? For one Murray smaller? But that that that,

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Speaker 1: this year, Derek, he would take the ball drop back.

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Speaker 1: You know, in Schoca most of the time and throwing

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Speaker 1: you agree, And if so, is that the Oklahoma scheme?

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Speaker 1: Is it him not seeing it, is it him not

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Speaker 1: those pieces of the puzzle together. I absolutely agree. I

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Speaker 1: think when you watch Murray, a lot of what you

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Speaker 1: just one read and go um. Or he does a

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Speaker 1: it earlier. Derek, one of the things you brought up

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Speaker 1: don't see that with Murray. Murray tends to be very

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Speaker 1: That's just not really something you see from Murray. And

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Speaker 1: and it's funny. Great Cosell put up his little scatting

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Speaker 1: great at that. But you didn't see that discipline in

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Speaker 1: Football Outsiders, Derek, I know one of the things that

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Speaker 1: and I think he brought a bit interesting point Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray what I think a lot of people overlooking

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Speaker 1: it's a very small sample size, only one year as

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Speaker 1: there's really not a lot, especially because we've talked about it.

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Speaker 1: He just doesn't have that much. He just doesn't have

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Speaker 1: that much experience in film throwing over the middle of

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Speaker 1: many things, show so much growth. Murray is only a

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Speaker 1: end up, you know, throwing a pretty easy interception. Just

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Speaker 1: stuff like that where almost airheaded aggression every now and then.

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Speaker 1: Haskins is if he's going down the field, he knows

433
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Speaker 1: what he's doing. He knows that, Um, say you're running

434
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Speaker 1: a Mills concept where you have, you know, a dig

435
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 1: from your slot and then a guy running a post.

436
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Speaker 1: If he if he knows you're in quarters, he's throwing

437
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Speaker 1: the post because he knows that that has to be

438
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Speaker 1: open or that his his guy is going to at

439
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Speaker 1: least get a good chance. Just stuff like that. Haskins

440
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Speaker 1: knows very well when he can be aggressive and when

441
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Speaker 1: he can't, UM, and I think him showing that he

442
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Speaker 1: can tow that line very comfortably already. UM, it's very good.

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Speaker 1: And like you know, like you said, he loves to

444
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Speaker 1: rely on his crossers, and I don't think that's because

445
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 1: he's necessarily a conservative or scared quarterback. I think it's

446
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Speaker 1: just he knows those are free yards and if he

447
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to press down the field on a throw

448
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Speaker 1: that might not be open, he doesn't feel like he

449
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Speaker 1: needs to take it. And so I think he just

450
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: does a very good job of knowing what throws there

451
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Speaker 1: and what is were joined by Derrik Class and Football

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Speaker 1: Outside or runs the film room there Derek couple of

453
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Speaker 1: negative things on on Haskins. I want to touch on

454
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Speaker 1: real quick from watching him. I'll get to the pressure

455
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Speaker 1: stuff in a second. But accuracy wise, I felt in

456
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Speaker 1: the middle of the field, between the wide hash marks

457
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Speaker 1: and maybe even between the numbers, extremely accurate thrower. But

458
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Speaker 1: I felt once he started getting down the field, we

459
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Speaker 1: saw his accuracy get a little wonky sometimes, and I

460
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: thought outside the numbers too, once he got into that

461
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Speaker 1: you know, fifteen yard in higher range, he would airmail

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Speaker 1: some passes. And I felt like once he got outside

463
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Speaker 1: of that intermediate middle of the field, sometimes his accuracy

464
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Speaker 1: wasn't quite what you're looking for. I agree, And I

465
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Speaker 1: think part of that right now for him is is

466
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Speaker 1: his mechanics. You know, we need to watch him. He's

467
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Speaker 1: very much a guy who throws almost exclusively with his

468
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Speaker 1: upper body, and for some guys that works, like Cam

469
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Speaker 1: Newton throws pretty exclusively with his upper body a lot

470
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Speaker 1: of the time, but he also has maybe the best

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Speaker 1: storm in football, so it's it's kind of a different

472
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Speaker 1: story where Haskins doesn't really have that luxury. He needs

473
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Speaker 1: to be able to get his feet under him more often,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes even though mentally he's getting to can and

475
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: third reads very well, he's not always moving his feet

476
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Speaker 1: the way that he needs to, and he'll end up

477
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Speaker 1: kind of where his lower body is disjoints it from

478
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Speaker 1: his upper body, and he kind of just ends up,

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Speaker 1: like you said, airmailing a past, you know, maybe a

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Speaker 1: fifteen yard out because he just didn't have his feet

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Speaker 1: under him. And so I think that's a big problem

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Speaker 1: for him. I think if he gets more time in

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Speaker 1: a system um, especially in the in the NFL, I

484
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Speaker 1: think that's something he can fix because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I think he's shown mentally that he's all there. So

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Speaker 1: if you can kind of just get him to be like, hey,

487
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Speaker 1: you've got to bring your feet around when you're getting

488
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Speaker 1: to these reads, I think he can actually. I think

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Speaker 1: that's something he actually can end up fixing, you know, Derek,

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Speaker 1: and I just want to add on something you mentioned

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Speaker 1: there about his feet. I felt he does a real

492
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Speaker 1: good job when those ends come. Why he will step

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Speaker 1: up in the pocket and make some throws, But when

494
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Speaker 1: pressure starts coming at him, his feet can break down

495
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Speaker 1: really poorly, and you see some throws you're like, whoa,

496
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Speaker 1: that is not fundamental football from the the back position

497
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Speaker 1: and all he handles pressure in the NFL, I think

498
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Speaker 1: could really determine if he's a Pro Bowl quarterback or yeah,

499
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Speaker 1: he's okay, we know what we're getting, but he's not

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Speaker 1: going to go out there and win a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of games for you on his own. I agree, And

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Speaker 1: I think the thing with interior pressure like that is

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Speaker 1: usually there's two way guys. Two ways guys will react.

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Speaker 1: Either one. You's very clearly see a guy who like,

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Speaker 1: as soon as he sees that pressure he just wants

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Speaker 1: the ball. He doesn't want to feel I think he

507
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to get hit. Or two, you have a

508
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Speaker 1: guy who almost acts as if it's not even there

509
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Speaker 1: and we'll just like take a shot to the chin

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Speaker 1: and throw the ball anyway. Haskins is the first one

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Speaker 1: where he kind of panics a little bit and really

512
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Speaker 1: just wants to get the ball out, doesn't want to

513
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Speaker 1: take a sack, doesn't want to take a hit, which, um,

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Speaker 1: it does kind of get him out of a lot

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Speaker 1: of sacks, but he ends up just really rushing his process,

516
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Speaker 1: and like you said, his mechanics don't really come around,

517
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Speaker 1: um when he rushes those thrones out, and it hurts

518
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Speaker 1: him a lot because he just hasn't really shown when

519
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: interior pressure comes like that or the pocket entirely collapses,

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Speaker 1: that he can stand tall and and make super tough

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Speaker 1: those under pressure. I think he's shown flashes, especially towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the year, but it never really felt

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Speaker 1: like something he did consistently. I agree, though, I think

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Speaker 1: he definite definitely get better from the start of the

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Speaker 1: season to the end, and he did progress in in

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Speaker 1: some of those areas aheadlines well. One of the things Derek.

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Speaker 1: Though that people bring up with respect to how quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: deal with pressure, can you project whether they could deal

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Speaker 1: with pressure? Is the offensive line that they played with

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Speaker 1: the college? So for example, you brought up Kyler Murray

531
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Speaker 1: had the luxury of one of the best offensive lines

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Speaker 1: in college in Oklahoma. I'm not saying Ohio State was

533
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Speaker 1: a crappy offensive line, but I don't think it was

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Speaker 1: anywhere near where Oklahoma is. With that being said, who

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Speaker 1: do you think has a better grass though of handling

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Speaker 1: pressure at the next level. Is it murrayed despite his

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Speaker 1: shortcomings in the height department, or is it Haskins based

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Speaker 1: on what you've seen on film. Question? So justin terms

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Speaker 1: of the way that they seem to process the pressure,

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Speaker 1: like mentally, you know, like we talked about with Murray,

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Speaker 1: I think just physically, it's gonna be harder for him

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Speaker 1: to throw against interior pressure because he's just shorter. But

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Speaker 1: I think in terms of like how confident or scared

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Speaker 1: they play under pressure, I actually think Murray is very

545
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Speaker 1: good under pressure. Like when he gets pressured, he might

546
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Speaker 1: not know where to go in the park get necessarily,

547
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Speaker 1: but he doesn't feel like someone who needs to rush

548
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Speaker 1: the ball. Out he feels like he has He feels

549
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Speaker 1: like he knows how to create time, and so I

550
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Speaker 1: think that's something that's important with him. And maybe you

551
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Speaker 1: can mold him a little bit and get him to understand, like, hey,

552
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Speaker 1: here's you know, when the pocket breaks down, this way,

553
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Speaker 1: you can slide here. If you can get him to

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Speaker 1: understand that, he actually could end up very good, because

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Speaker 1: I think he already has the the baseline understanding of

556
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Speaker 1: not being scared of pressure, knowing when he actually has Son.

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Speaker 1: We're talking with Derrik class In does the film room

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Speaker 1: for Football Outsiders. Derek, I think we now want to

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Speaker 1: transition to some of the other quarterbacks, even though I

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Speaker 1: know the main focus is on Murray and Haskins, but

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Speaker 1: the Drew Locks, the Dan you know, Jones is in

562
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Speaker 1: the world first, big picture perspective, Who, in your mind,

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Speaker 1: outside of Haskins and Murray has the most upside as

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Speaker 1: you go further down the depth chart of the two

565
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Speaker 1: thousand ninet quarterback class, I think for me it would

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Speaker 1: probably be Drew Lock. Um. I don't love Drew Lock

567
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Speaker 1: the way that some people see into Some people think

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Speaker 1: he's a guy you're comfortable taking in maybe the late

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Speaker 1: first round. I don't think I like him that much,

570
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Speaker 1: but I think Block actually gives you a decent baseline

571
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Speaker 1: in terms of performance, Like I think, I think coming

572
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Speaker 1: into the league immediately, he's basically Miami J. Cutler, which

573
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Speaker 1: is not a great quarterback, but you could do much worse.

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Speaker 1: And I think you can develop him further than that,

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Speaker 1: because obviously his arm is fantastic. UM. He's a decent

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Speaker 1: enough runner and mobile guy that he's going to be

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Speaker 1: able to make plays outside of the pocket UM, and

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Speaker 1: I think he's shown flashes of being able to read

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Speaker 1: the field very comfortably. He's kind of inconsistent, but I

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Speaker 1: think he did show growth from his UM. I think

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Speaker 1: he was junior season to senior season, where as a

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00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: junior he would always throw right at center fielding safeties,

583
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Speaker 1: but you could see his senior year that was something

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00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: he stopped doing and he clearly got better at reading

585
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Speaker 1: the field. So I think him having already shown some

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Speaker 1: growth in his last couple of seasons and then just

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Speaker 1: having him having such an outstanding arm, I think he's

588
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: probably your best bet for a guy that maybe you

589
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: gamble on Day two and he kind of changed into something.

590
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: What's the key for him to make that next step

591
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Speaker 1: and become a good starting NFL quarterback. Is it? Is

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Speaker 1: it accuracy with his consistency. I know he likes to

593
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field, and he can throw

594
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Speaker 1: actively down the field, but I don't think I saw

595
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Speaker 1: that consistent see uh that you want to see out

596
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Speaker 1: of the quarterback position. What do you think is that

597
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: big step that Lock has to take in order to

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Speaker 1: become the type of guy you're talking about. It's definitely accuracy,

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00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: and it's not even accuracy all over. I actually think

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Speaker 1: passed about ten yards. He's not really worse than anybody

601
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Speaker 1: else in this class. But sometimes within ten yards, like

602
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Speaker 1: on those short throws where you're hitting the top of

603
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Speaker 1: your drop and splitting it rip, he will just like

604
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Speaker 1: not have himself set up to throw that route very well,

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Speaker 1: and he'll just throw like a five yard out in

606
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Speaker 1: the dirt um and it really will be for like

607
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: no reason. There was no pressure, It wasn't like a

608
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: weird angle. He just will just dirt it sometimes, and

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00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a problem for him. I think if

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Speaker 1: you can get to him to consistently get those easy

611
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: yards and get those easy throws, it'll make his deeper

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00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: throws a lot more valuable because then you actually have

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Speaker 1: something to kind of fall back on if that deep

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Speaker 1: stuff isn't working out. So I would agree with the accuracy.

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Speaker 1: If he can clean that up a little bit in

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Speaker 1: the quick game, it's his best way to get better. Derek,

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Speaker 1: I found it interesting you mentioned Miami J. Cutler. Does

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Speaker 1: that mean the Chicago J. Cutler, the Denver J. Cutler

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Speaker 1: the potential is not there, or the out of Geese

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Speaker 1: Chicago Jake Cutler is not there. I just found the

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Speaker 1: issues as he used Miami, because I mean, that's the

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Speaker 1: tail end of Cutler's career. Doesn't sound like there's a

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Speaker 1: huge ceiling there. Well, so I actually was probably a

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Speaker 1: little bit more um apologetic to Chicago J. Cutler than

625
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Speaker 1: a lot of people actually thought he had made up

626
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: for horrible receivers um quite often um and and I

627
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: don't think that's something I necessarily see from mock right now.

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00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: I think Miami J. Cutler, the thing was, you saw

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Speaker 1: those flashes of old Cutler, of young color. I should say, um,

630
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Speaker 1: but there were only flashes, and a lot of the

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00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: time he was kind of like lock, kind of inconsistent

632
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: in the short game would have some moments of being

633
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: fearless under pressure, but other times of what the hell

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Um? And so I think that's very

635
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: much what I see from Lock right now. I do

636
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: think he can develop better than that. UM. Maybe something

637
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: like a what kind of kind of what Matt Stafford

638
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: is now is probably his feeling. UM. But I think

639
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: stepping into the league, he's Miami J Cutler pretty much

640
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: right away, which obviously, like we said, is not great.

641
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: But I think, um, if you're getting that in the

642
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: second round as a rookie, you could do a lot worse. Absolutely.

643
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is the other player that some people see,

644
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: perhaps as a late first round pick. I gotta be honest,

645
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Speaker 1: from watching him, I just see a lot of Okay,

646
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: that's okay, he's okay at that. And you see the

647
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: Cutcliff coaching in him, the way he takes his drop,

648
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 1: his fundamentals, his footwork and stuff like that, And I

649
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: understand why people will get excited about that, you know,

650
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: will he'll build the transition NFL offenses and and all

651
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: that type of you know, on the big picture type

652
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: of way of looking at a quarterback. But you look

653
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: at the arm strength, the accuracy, the big plays down

654
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: the field, Derek, I don't know if I see it.

655
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't really see it either. And like you mentioned,

656
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: with the Cutcliff coaching, I think the type of stuff

657
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: that he probably is getting coached very well in it's

658
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: really all he does well right now. I think, Um,

659
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: he does a lot of the quick game. Well. I

660
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: think he's actually you know, under standing leverage, um, you know,

661
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: like playing out of ntire ten personality. He's very good

662
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: at understanding like if he can throw this quick out,

663
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: if he can throw this slant. He's actually pretty good

664
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: at that, um. And he'll he'll rip as soon as

665
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: he gets to the top of his drop, so he

666
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: doesn't really hesitate on one read stuff. Um. I actually

667
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: think he does a very good job of replacing blitzes. Um.

668
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: You know people blitz that dooke offensive line a lot

669
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: because it was terrible. But he actually did a pretty

670
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: decent job of of knowing where the the open spot

671
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: was going to be in the defense because of the

672
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: blitz Um. But like you said, pretty much outside of that, like,

673
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: I just don't think his sense of pressure was very good.

674
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: He was kind of one of those guys that's very

675
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: numb to it, like Gino Smith, where he just wouldn't

676
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: take into he just wouldn't take inventory of where pass

677
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: rushers were at any time, and so that was kind

678
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: of a problem for him. I don't think his deep

679
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: accuracy is very good. Um. I don't think his arm

680
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: is nearly as good. It's it's sold to be UM.

681
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: So I think that kind of limits his upside too.

682
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: And the thing with Jones is that going into the NFL,

683
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: guys quarterbacks pretty much don't outproduce whatever they did in college,

684
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: like it just almost never happened. Nick Foles is like

685
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: the closest we've ever gotten, and even he's like average.

686
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: And Jones, I think his career yards for attempt is

687
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: like six point five in college, and if you're assuming

688
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: that guys never exceed that in the NFL, he's going

689
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: to have a real problem ever producing at a high

690
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: level in the NFL because he would have to be

691
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: a mold breaker otherwise. Well, it's very interesting after you

692
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: said all of that, and then I know, sometimes we

693
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: get too much caught up in the media hype machine, Derek,

694
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: But Daniel Jones seed to skyrocket once the NFL season

695
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: ended and people are talking him up much more so

696
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: than they did during the college season. Now from a

697
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: Giant's perspective, he's got the ties to the Manning brothers

698
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: because of Cutcliffe and the coaching tenure that he had

699
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: in the past, and then he seems to be height

700
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: wise the pro typical quarterback that the Giants are interested in. Now,

701
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: the reason I bring up both of those factors, what

702
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: do you attribute to why there seems to be a

703
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: lot of hype surrounding Jones compared to maybe some of

704
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: these other quarterbacks and how they may fit with the

705
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: New York Giants per se um. Honestly, I think as

706
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: soon as there's usually one guy like this a year,

707
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: right like in twenty I think fourteen it was there

708
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: was Tom Savage, but he didn't get any hype during

709
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: the year, and then the season ends and it's like, oh,

710
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: there's the six four guys who played at a pred

711
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: dease of program, got some good coaching, and all of

712
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: a sudden he might be a first rounder and everyone's like, who,

713
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of the thing that we're having with Jones.

714
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Why don't that he's talling us? His arm is is

715
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: good enough, it's not great um and then in this

716
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: particular case, you've got the cut cliff coaching, which I

717
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: think everybody in the NFL probably loves. So to me,

718
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: it seems like so much of why he's getting hype

719
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: has really nothing to do with what he's shown on film.

720
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: But sometimes that's just kind of what it is. Besides

721
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: those top four we talked about, Derek, any other the

722
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: guys in this quarterback class really jump out to you

723
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: where they could be really worth a day to pick

724
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: and could develop into a good NFL starter. So I

725
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: still have a handful of guys that I haven't seen

726
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: enough of yet, Like I haven't really seen Mintow or

727
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: Tyree Jackson in enough depth to really talk about them.

728
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: But the one like guy outside of the first round

729
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: I think I really like is Brett Rippons out of

730
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: Boise State. Um, he's not super tall. I think he's

731
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: like six foot. He's gonna end up like two tens,

732
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: so probably about Baker Mayfield size or something. Um, but

733
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: he's like NFL smart, like easily. Um. I think he's

734
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: He's shown he can go from one reason to read

735
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: to three read very comfortably. Boise State's offense really tasted

736
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: him with a lot pre snap, they changed their personnel

737
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: a tont um. They could do anything from empty to

738
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: ten personnel to twenty two. Um. It looked a lot

739
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: like an Eagles offense really, where they were constantly changing

740
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: personnel and doing a lot of stuff with tight ends

741
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: and really asking their quarterback to under damn things pre

742
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: snap and and know how emotion across the line of

743
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: scrimmages is going to change the defense. Stuff like that.

744
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: So I think they really asked a lot of ribbon mentally,

745
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: and he delivered most of the time. Granted, I think

746
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: the way he processes pressure is not great. He usually

747
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: just pretends it's not even there, which can work out

748
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: for him sometimes, but other times it ends up in

749
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: a strip sacks, which is not not great. Um. And

750
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: then he also kind of does that with um safeties

751
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: every now and then, like the center fielding safeties, where um,

752
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: he's the guy who throws with a lot of convictions,

753
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: so if he thinks he saw something pre snap, he'll

754
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: throw it without really thinking post snap, and sometimes that

755
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: can lead to interceptions. Yeah, you see that with like

756
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins every now and then, or something looks great

757
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: pre snap and then he guns it and it's like,

758
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: oh well, if that wasn't open anymore, and you kind

759
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: of do it anyway. So, but so I think as

760
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: a as a backup quarterback or someone you can develop into.

761
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: Maybe you know an Alex Smith light, a guy who's

762
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: just going to run your system. You're comfortable knowing what

763
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: he can do, and you trust and pre snap. I

764
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: think he's that type of guy. I don't think he's

765
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: feeling fantastic. But if you get him in the third

766
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: or fourth round or something, I think you've probably brought

767
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: a very valuable quarterback onto your team. Derrek last one

768
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: for me. As we look at some of these other qbs,

769
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. I know you said you didn't look

770
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: at everybody. Will Greer to me, is somebody that is

771
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: interesting out of West Virginia. Did you look at him?

772
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: And if anything, what do you think the upside is

773
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: with respect to him. Yeah, I've seen a decent amount

774
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: of Will Greer. I'm not too sold on Will Greer. Um.

775
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: I think his accuracy was kind of inconsistent. UM. I

776
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: think the way he threw on the move was extremely

777
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: up and down as well. UM. I think it was

778
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I can't remember who now had compared him

779
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: to Case keenum Um, and I think stylistically that makes

780
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. I don't think he's quite as

781
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: good as keen um Um, so I think Greer's potential

782
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: is probably capped at like a decent backup um. But

783
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: here I just didn't see a whole ton uh that

784
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: made me comfortable kind of projecting him to somebody that

785
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: you would want to take with a valuable pick. He

786
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: I just didn't look his film quite as much as

787
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: other guys have. Derek finally looked at these quarterbacks for years. Now.

788
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Where do you think Haskins and Murray ultimately fall? You know,

789
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks in the draft always get overdrafted. Are

790
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: both these guys top ten? Are either a top five?

791
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: Our team's trading up to get these guys. What's your

792
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: gut on what we're gonna see on draft night? In

793
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: terms of Murray, Haskins and even the other guys, if

794
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: you want to throw that in there, I think Mary

795
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: and Haskins are gonna end up going top ten one

796
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: way or another. Murray seems a little bit more of

797
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: a wild card whether he is. You know, for some reason,

798
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are gonna take number one or somebody's gonna

799
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: trade up to like three or four or something like that.

800
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: But Um, with Haskins, I can't imagine he gets past

801
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: like Jacksonville or New York. I just it seems like

802
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: there's no way that that happens. Um. And then in

803
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: terms of another guy going first round, I feel like

804
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: one of Jones or Lock is going to which one

805
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: it ends up being, I don't know, but I do

806
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: feel like somebody is going to panic and feel like

807
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: they need to make a play on a quarterback and

808
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: it's probably going to end up being blocker Jones. Derek,

809
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: awesome stuff, man, We really appreciate it. We'll talk again

810
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: before the draft. You can follow him on Twitter. What

811
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: is it at QB class Derek, Yes, sir, and that's

812
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: where the K and that's with the K exactly, So

813
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: make sure you farm on Twitter. He also writes for

814
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: Football Outsiders he runs there from him, Derek, great stuff.

815
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: We appreciate all the extra time today. I know we

816
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: went a long time with you, but you a great

817
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: inside and we appreciate you given to us. Tell you

818
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kickoff. Yeah, thanks a lot, Derek. Yeah,

819
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on Fellas that's Derek Lassen does

820
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: a great job breaking down quarterback and football outsiders and

821
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: going inside the film room there for football outsiders and Lance.

822
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: Oh wow, a lot of in depth stuff there in

823
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: terms of how these quarterbacks handle stuff on an individual basis,

824
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: in in in certain situations. What was your overall take

825
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: on what he had to say about, especially the top

826
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: two guys. Well, first of all, what blew me away

827
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: is the fact that he said fifth and six compared

828
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: to two thousand eighteens draft class. So I think that

829
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: falls in line with the narrative that we're hearing across

830
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: the board that I don't think this quarterback class comes

831
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: close to the substance in depth that two thous eighteen provide. Clearly,

832
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: I think he feels Haskins could make the best transition

833
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: to an NFL team at this point, even though there's

834
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: still a small sample size with him similar to Kyler Murray,

835
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: but the offense that he ran, the decision making, the

836
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: physique of him, I think bodes well for the next

837
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: level compared to a number of these other quarterbacks. So

838
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: I think that is encouraging. Do you think he believes

839
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: that Murray has a higher ceiling? I want to say

840
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: yes only because from what I took away from what

841
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: Derek said, if a great coach and a great scheme

842
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: combines with Kyler Murray and everything's in sync, I think

843
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: he's got a higher ceiling than Dwayne Haskins I have.

844
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: That's my takeaway from what he said and what I

845
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: personally think. I happen to agree with both things you

846
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: just said because I think if Murray, through coaching and

847
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: through scheme, can overcome some of his deficiencies and learn

848
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: how to do some of those things better, his overall

849
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: package despite his lack of physique, I think better arm talent,

850
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: more mobile, more explosive with his legs to make plays

851
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: off timing out of the pocket. I think he does

852
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: handle pressure in a better way mentally than Haskin does

853
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: in terms of how he reacts to it. In that way,

854
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: I agree. I think if he can figure out a

855
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: way to play around some of those deficiencies, I think

856
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: he does have a higher skip. I agree with you,

857
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: and related to that, you know, that's why I asked

858
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: him a question about the offensive line, you know, and

859
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: people say, well, you know, it's hard to look at

860
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: Murray because of the luxury had on the offensive line.

861
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: But at the same time, even if you're a quarterback

862
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: playing with a subpar offensive line, how do you know

863
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: the state of the offensive line you're going to at

864
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: the next level? John in the NFL and frankly, most

865
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: of the time, if you're a bad team drafting a

866
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: bad quarterback because because your offensive is not great. So

867
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: if Haskins had trouble with pressure, the one concerned moving

868
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: forward is let's say he gets drafted by a team. Yes,

869
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: they need a quarterback, and he answers that part of

870
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: the equation, but they don't have ideal protection. Well, how's

871
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: he going to respond to that? For example, you know

872
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: what David Carr had to go through with the Houston Texans.

873
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: You would have evaluated David car to college is at

874
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: a great upside, great arm, this and that. If you

875
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: don't give him time to throw, what could is all

876
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: of that? Well, look at Josh Rosen with the Cardinals

877
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: last Year's another one. Yeah, So that to me is

878
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: the wild card. Now, I could say that pretty much

879
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: about any quarterback. If it's Kyler Murray, you didn't see

880
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: nearly as much pressure. What happens if you put him

881
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: on the opposite end of the spectrum. You put him

882
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: with the worst offensive line in the NFL, what's he

883
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: gonna do? Especially, and like you said, pressure up the

884
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: middle for a guy that size is hard. And we

885
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: saw what happened that first half against Alabama in that

886
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: game when he got a lot of pressure up the middle,

887
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: it was a problem. And now he responded very well

888
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: in the second half of that game. But you could

889
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: also argue, well, Alabama's comfortable, they're not being so I mean,

890
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to interpret that. It's fair

891
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: to say both of these individuals have small sample sizes.

892
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't care how good bad are in between they

893
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: are John, they started for one year and that's it.

894
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: So it's all projection, much more so than as we

895
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: were talking about with Derek earlier. The Drew Brees is

896
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson's in the world. Than in Wilson's case,

897
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: he had two college teams that he worked with. He

898
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: had a little bit more to evaluate him by, whereas

899
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: these two quarterbacks, I think it's a lot more of

900
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: a rolling the dice projection. Even Baker Mayfield, you had

901
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: more substance because he was with a variety of different

902
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: college programs and so forth. He had two seasons starting

903
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: Oklahoma too, so well, and now I'm going back to

904
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: the Texas. He had a lot more to go by

905
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: with these two. Listen, you could love them. I'm not

906
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: saying you shouldn't, but don't tell me that you know

907
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: for a lock one that this person is absolutely gonna

908
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: achieve greatness at the next level. I think it's much

909
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: more of a rolling the dice mentality. And we've got

910
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: each other QB right, And sorry, we've gotten into the

911
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks a lot this week, and this is not going

912
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: to be the topic every show for the next month.

913
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: It's just not. We have too many other things to

914
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: do Fregency the combine. But I thought it was good

915
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: to kind of do one hardcore quarter back show to

916
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: get this all out of the way, and and kind

917
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: of this is how I stand, and this will be

918
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: the answer I give to all my callers until we

919
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: get to a week or two before the draft when

920
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: people finally set their big boards and everything. And that's

921
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: how I stand on at Lance. Both these guys are

922
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: good prospects. They're worth looking at in the first round,

923
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: and the Giants will evaluate both these guys heavily with

924
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: the six pick. Are either guy worth in terms of

925
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: or will value the six pick? For me? The jury

926
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: is out on that. I'm not sure yet. I need

927
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: to get a better feel for all of these other

928
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: players are and you know how they're quote unquote overall

929
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: grade is compared to the two quarterbacks. But I would

930
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: not rule out either guy. I would not pencil or

931
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: pen in either guy. But I think both guys have

932
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: put themselves in the conversation as good prospects that will

933
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: be picked around where the Giants pick at number six

934
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: in the first round. Should the Giants pick them, will

935
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: see I have no idea what the Giants front office

936
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: thinks about it. I don't know what they think about

937
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: these guys. All I know is that they'll be in

938
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: the mix in the spot. The Giants will do their

939
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: due diligence to evaluate them, and we'll see how they

940
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: feel about him come Draft night, because these guys are

941
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: going to be picked around, could be before, could be

942
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: after where the Giants pick at six, and both guys

943
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: will be counted on to have good NFL careers by

944
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: a NFL team. Whether it's the Giants will have to

945
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: wait and say, well, I think we're gonna learn a lot, John,

946
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: based on how aggressive teams are if they really want

947
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: to move up. Because I think that's an indication there's

948
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: this love affair with Haskins or Murray. But I could

949
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 1: see a team failing in love with Murray more than Haskins. Yeah,

950
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: because of the upside and the intrigue and the way

951
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: he runs around. Then you know, big arm can be special, creative,

952
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: There's a quality, there's a mahome there's a mahomes Ish

953
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: quality to him. Yes, I think that's fair. That doesn't

954
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: mean he's gonna reach me. Home's potential that Haskins doesn't

955
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: have the flair that got the flare, and whether you

956
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: agree with it or not, that sells in the National

957
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: Football League because you know gms and coaches start game

958
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: planning in their head. John, Boy, if we bring this

959
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: guy in, just think about what we could do. We

960
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: pair him with this running back, we pair him with

961
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: this ride receiver, Which is part of the potential argument.

962
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: He if I put on my pat Schremer hat for

963
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: a second and I laid down up on my head

964
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: on the pillow, can you imagine teams trying to have

965
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: to figure out how to defend a Murray Barkley read

966
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: option with Odell Beckham Jr. As somebody. You can't double

967
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: team on the you have to double team on the perimeter.

968
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean that is deadly. As you know what. Now

969
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: you have to make a lot of adjustments on top

970
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: of that which change how you do things, which is

971
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: part of the conversation. But if you just think about

972
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: that for a second, even Murray, assuming he's not gonna

973
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: get any better from where he is right now, and

974
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: he's going to be a static player with his athleticism,

975
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,959
Speaker 1: having to figure out who are you going to defend

976
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: their him or sakew on Barkley and read option plays

977
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: is stuff that keeps defensive coordinators up at night. That's

978
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: how how ridiculous and deadly something like that could be.

979
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: And that goes to my you know, do you fall

980
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: in love with a guy like that? Well? And what

981
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: it relates to is I think back when the Seahawks

982
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: had Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch absolutely think about what

983
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: they would run John and I know this may be

984
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: pouring salt in the wounds. I remember the Giants going

985
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: to Seattle a few years ago, and I think that

986
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: was the game where Russell, Wilson and Lynch combined for

987
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: like five or six touchdowns if memory serves me correct,

988
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: and it was all off the misdirection, right, It was

989
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: guys off the edge getting fooled Jpp for example, cutting inside,

990
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden like that, it becomes

991
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: a thirty yard touchdown. The Giants have had headaches going

992
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: up against the Seahawks, So that line of thinking is

993
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure where a lot of coaches are angling their

994
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: thoughts as well. Yeah, Murray he avoids a ross, she

995
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: avoids a blitz, scrambles outside, beckhams in and and even

996
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: even as a round beckhams in a scramble drill, and

997
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: you've got to cover that guy for an extra two

998
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: or three seconds. Starling Shepard e in ingram the whole deal,

999
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, Barkley getting out of the backfield in a

1000
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: scramble drill, going down the field the way Murray can

1001
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: put the ball on time, doep accurately. That's really something

1002
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: to think about well, and especially look at what they

1003
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: ran this past season. John O'Dell Beckham touchdown past the

1004
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: s Kwan Barkley. Think about the misdirection and then Odell

1005
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: Beckham to Russell Shepard, who got wide open down the

1006
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: field in that Bears game when Shepard was sort of

1007
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: a decoy on the left side of the field. How

1008
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 1: about running Philly Special with an athlete like Kyler Murray. Yeah,

1009
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: who could catch the football as a wide receiver in

1010
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: the ends of I mean, there's just a lot of

1011
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: things that you can do. It'll be fun and we'll

1012
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: say so. I hope you guys got your quarterback. You

1013
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: know what satisfied? Okay to five on three. It's all

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00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,640
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1015
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: Awards after an amazing John's Prizes. I know we didn't

1016
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: take many calls today, folks. I apologize. Well, have plenty

1017
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: of time to do that before the draft and free agency,

1018
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: but a couple of folks have been holding for much

1019
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: of the show so on to make sure we get

1020
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: to them, Let's go to Chuck in Summerfield first, Mr Dominic, Chuck,

1021
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: what's going on? Bow? Hey, guys, how are you doing great? Chuck?

1022
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: What's up? I'm a long time first time Thank you

1023
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: and uh, we appreciate you guys man being out of

1024
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: state as we are. You guys are like a lifeline

1025
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: for us, and UH just wanted to really coolly and

1026
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: I worked up my nerve to give you guys a call.

1027
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: I've been listening to you guys forever and just wanting

1028
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: to say thank you very much. Hey, Chuck, Chuck, we

1029
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Without viewers and listeners like you, we wouldn't

1030
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: have a show. Thank you for hanging with us. And

1031
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to call on. I don't lands can bite.

1032
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can get sarcastic, you can get nasty, but

1033
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: he's really, deep down not a terrible person. You guys

1034
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: are great man, that guy have to say. I just

1035
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: wanted to say maybe a couple of things. I think

1036
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: everybody really needs to get a grip. I think people

1037
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: forget how long uh quarterback drought you can have. I

1038
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: think people are a little bit um unappreciative of ELI,

1039
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: and I think they're spoiled. To be honest with you. Uh,

1040
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: I've been a giant fan since the early sixties, you know,

1041
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: since I could talk really more or less. And uh,

1042
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of bad quarterbacks in our history

1043
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: and for a long time. I mean I was ridiculed

1044
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: on Monday mornings as a kid. You know, the Giants

1045
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: are horrible. Tarkington was running for his life. He had

1046
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks like Camp Graham. I mean, I could just name

1047
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: a handful of him, Dave Brown, Danny Cannell, go through

1048
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: the list. You can go through the list exactly. I

1049
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: think our best case scenario is if they can get

1050
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: Eli the restructure, maybe give us a little freedom and

1051
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: sign them, resign them again maybe two years and get

1052
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: and I know you you guys want to talk about quarterbacks,

1053
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: but if we can get the kid at Ohio State,

1054
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: I know we need a lot of things to be

1055
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: done with this this year, but to pick him up

1056
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: and let him sit for maybe let him sit for

1057
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: two years behind Eli, let him, you know, let him,

1058
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: let him mature, and let him and let him get

1059
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: some playing time and you know, preseason and stuff, and

1060
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: and let him. There's nobody out there who you're gonna

1061
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: get it if you don't have Eli, you know, chucking

1062
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: it's funny and and and here's the thing. And I

1063
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: think when you talk about people being spoiled and not

1064
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: understanding what they have, I think it works both ways.

1065
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: And I'll explain what I mean by that. I think

1066
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: you have the faction out there that wants to get

1067
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: rid of you line no matter what without having a

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00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: backup plan and succession plan in place where we'll find

1069
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: someone better no problem. Well, no, it doesn't work that way.

1070
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: It can get really hard, really fast. But at the

1071
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: same time, I think on the eli backer side, you

1072
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: have people that say, we'll keep you Lye around, then

1073
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,479
Speaker 1: we'll find the quarterback when we can. Well, no, you'll

1074
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: just find the quarterback when you can. It's really hard

1075
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: to find your next quarterback. So I think so, I

1076
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: think it really works both ways, you know what I mean? Right,

1077
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: getting a quarterback of the future has got to be

1078
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: your number one priority at this moment. Yeah, and you

1079
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: know what they've Getleman knows that. Dave get Leman knows,

1080
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: and he's said it before, figuring out the quarterback position

1081
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: is the most important thing he's gonna do as general manager.

1082
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: He knows that next step is immensely important. He knows

1083
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: that there just has to be conviction behind the chuck.

1084
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: That's the difference where I stand. I think the Giants,

1085
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: the Giants need a future quarterback. I mean, anybody who

1086
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: doesn't think that, I think does it put football in perspective,

1087
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: but you don't just take a quarterback for the sake

1088
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: of taking a quarterback. That's where I've always stood in

1089
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: terms of any team in the National Football League, because

1090
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: that's when you get into your settling because of need,

1091
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: and then when that individual doesn't pan out and now

1092
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: put you in a further hole because you didn't get

1093
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: value out of your first round pick from two. I mean,

1094
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: you gotta love this kid, but you have to think

1095
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: this isn't going to be an overnight thing. To think

1096
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: we're going to the playoffs next year. I mean I

1097
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: have high hopes too, don't get me wrong, but I'm

1098
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: looking at three years here. Do we have a lot

1099
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: of needs. We need to solidify the front line. We

1100
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: need to Russian and we need a safety. We need linebackers.

1101
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: We can't have Landa Collins leading the team and tackles

1102
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: every year to kill it will ruin his career. Chuck, what,

1103
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: what's what you do this season? In this offseason? Thanks

1104
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: for the call, man. We're running a long time, but

1105
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: we'll appreciate you being a long time listening to the show.

1106
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for calling in what you do

1107
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: this offseason? At least in my opinion, lens is not

1108
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: about trying to win this year. Does it help you

1109
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: win this year, yes, but you shouldn't be putting yourself

1110
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: in a situation where it's like, all right, we're going

1111
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: all in here we go now with the future. And

1112
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: I said this last year too when they made these

1113
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: was in the off season too, by the way, so

1114
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: this is not unfamiliar, refrained from me. In the NFL,

1115
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: you're always planning for years in the future. Look at

1116
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 1: how the Patriots operate. They let veterans walk away all

1117
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: the time when they still have some good football left,

1118
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: so they can collect compensation in terms of either in

1119
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: trades or compensatory picks in terms of the draft to

1120
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: continue to build for the future. That's how they're able

1121
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: to even though their rosters continually turning over, they have

1122
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: more and more resources to fill those. Evan Silva on

1123
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: Twitter I tweet this out early had a great um

1124
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: thread about how the Patriots continue refill their coffers in

1125
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: terms of talent and turn their rosters over by using

1126
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: the compensatory draft pick system, by by swapping picks in

1127
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: the draft and and things of that nature. It's just

1128
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: the way they do things and when the Giants make

1129
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: those decisions this offseason, you're not just making decisions for

1130
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: this year, You're making decisions for the future. I mean,

1131
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: trading JPP last year wasn't this is gonna make our

1132
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: team better this year. That's not why the Giants made

1133
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: the trade. The Giants are all in last year, no

1134
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: matter what. Guess what they would have traded Jason Pierre

1135
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: Paul Ford draft pick. All right, that's not what a

1136
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: team that's all in to win this year is going

1137
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: to do. It's just not. So every move they make

1138
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: this offseason is to you know, the better team in two, three, four,

1139
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: or five years down the line. That's all I'm saying. Well,

1140
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: moves are made for future assets, to your point, and

1141
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 1: then there's also moves that are made to fill immediate holes.

1142
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: I think there's a way to achieve both of them

1143
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: simultaneous exactly. That's what I'm saying this whole narrative about.

1144
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: And I hate the term all in or win now mode.

1145
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: To me, everyone wants to win in the National Football League. Yes,

1146
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: maybe they're not aggressive John in terms of spending salary

1147
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: cap space, but I never heard of a team going

1148
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: in saying, you know what, three wins. That's our goal.

1149
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: Overall pick first overall pick, that's it. Yeah, you know what,

1150
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: we'll put our team, We'll put our front office and

1151
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: put our fan base through a whole lot of suffering

1152
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: in a wasteful season. I've never heard a team have

1153
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: that mindset. There might be one exception. Remember when the

1154
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: Browns a few years ago literally cut all their veterans

1155
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: and they basically said they're going through a sixers like process.

1156
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: That's the only NFL team I've ever seen do anything

1157
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: like that. Well, and part of that was I think

1158
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: also a brand new front office force was analytics and

1159
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: number hungry, So that was to be a turning point

1160
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: in the philosophy of the organization the type of players

1161
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: they wanted in. Absolutely that's why those changes were made

1162
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: so drastically. But for the most part, absolutely right. Teams

1163
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: are always looking to feel the competitive group. This is

1164
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: not like the NBA, where you have so much more

1165
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: volume of games and there's the lottery in the draft,

1166
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: and there's all that analysis, and there's only maybe one

1167
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: or two great players in an the NBA draft. You

1168
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: could find fifteen great players in an NFL draft. A

1169
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: lot more deaths, Yeah, it's a different landscape that I

1170
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: think you have to analyze. Our final call of the

1171
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: show is Scott in New Mexico. Scott as, how are you?

1172
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: What's up, buddy. I'm really enjoying the conversation with Derrick

1173
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: Lass and I'll make it as brief as I can.

1174
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: The question I have is, say, I'm first of all,

1175
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: I want to tell you that I'm a Haskins guy,

1176
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: and I hope the Giant City is available get them.

1177
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: But if not, say, for example, Haskins is not available

1178
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray by some strange coincidence is available at

1179
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: the number six pit, if he were selected by the

1180
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 1: Giants just for argument's sake, and knowing that they're going

1181
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: to have to change their whole offensive scheme around him.

1182
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: First of all, the first question is is Pat Sumer

1183
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: amenable to that, because he's always said he wanted a

1184
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: tall quarterback st I don't think. I don't think they

1185
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: would draft Murray of Pat Schremer said he didn't want him. Okay,

1186
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: But if they did, just for and say that does happen,

1187
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: will they have to with that? Then they're gonna have

1188
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: to change the scheme, which means you have a quarterback

1189
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: that operates on the one scheme and one under another.

1190
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: With that heightened the sense that Eli Manning would probably

1191
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: be going at that point, because do you want to

1192
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: wait two years to develop a whole new offensive scheme?

1193
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: And that was really what I was hoping that you

1194
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: guys could answer. Thank you, Scott, I appreciate the good

1195
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: stuff man, and then let me put this way. Shermer

1196
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: can do it because of two words, Chip Kelly. Yeah,

1197
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: well that's exactly and he would use the system they

1198
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: operate in Philly under Chip Kelly, and that would fit

1199
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: fine with what Murray does. A lot of stuff. Had

1200
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: a shotgun run it play action at a shotgun that

1201
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: worked perfectly. It's an interesting question, though, is that if

1202
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: you have Murray learned under Eli, but Eli is not

1203
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: running the offense that you would want Murray to run,

1204
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: is that doing you a lot of good? I think

1205
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: that's actually a really interesting question. I would have to

1206
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: think about it. Well. I think that ELI could very

1207
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: well stick it out as starter and they could sort

1208
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: of put in a package for Kyler Murray and then

1209
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: expand it over the course of the season. There is value.

1210
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. They may make a change in terms

1211
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: of offensive game plan. But decision making doesn't change no

1212
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: matter what scheme you're running. Reading defense is making quick

1213
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: decision that that that that's actually and you could learn

1214
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: off the field and improve it those things without the

1215
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: scheme being fit for you. You know, it's a good point.

1216
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: The fundamentals never get removed, regardless of the scheme or

1217
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: the system. So I don't think that creates tension or

1218
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: an issue. I've seen, you know, quarterback acts. They have

1219
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: a small package for example, This is not necessarily ideal

1220
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: comparison the Saints utilizing Taysom Hill. John Drew Brees is

1221
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: your conventional quarterback, right, you run things with Drew Brees,

1222
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: and then you're bringing Taysom Hill. Now, Taysom Mill is

1223
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: not in every down quarterback, but he's a guy that

1224
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: they have put in the quarterback position. They've lined Drew

1225
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: Brees up as a wide receiver. Could they do something

1226
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: like that with Kyler Murray? Absolutely, But the decision making

1227
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: does not get thrown out the window, even if you're creative.

1228
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: So I could see them both coexisting for at least

1229
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: the initial season if that's the Giants game plan. I

1230
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: don't think that's a stretch any final thoughts before we

1231
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: say goodbye. I think we've covered just about every angle

1232
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: imaginable when it comes to these quarterbacks. Was certainly gonna

1233
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: have much more of a conversation, and it will be

1234
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: very interesting to see how the stocks rise and fall

1235
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: to me following the combine, because Murray's gonna show some things. Well,

1236
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: we'll see what they do with the combines that well, Haskins,

1237
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: we were talking about this last week. Haskins has claimed

1238
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: that he's gonna do everything. We don't know what Murray

1239
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: is gonna do. But regardless of what they do, John,

1240
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: somebody is going to get extremely animated over the forty

1241
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: yard dash, how high they could jump, how strong they

1242
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: could throw. I guarantee you by the way, Drew lock

1243
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: is gonna impress people at the combine, which is with

1244
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: his arm strength. He is going to be a guy

1245
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: that people are like, WHOA did he just do that

1246
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: sixty five yards in the air? Because he can do that.

1247
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not Josh Allen, but he's not far

1248
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: from Josh Allen. Well, he's the Miami Jake Cutler. I

1249
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: think we've made that very clear. Well, what else is

1250
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: there to talk about? Here. That was a great line

1251
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: by Derek Lance. Good stuff. Absolutely. It was all brought

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1253
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Speaker 1: figgals and you can inundate the Tino with quarterback questions.

1256
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Speaker 1: He loves those the best. We'll see you then, audience, Everybody,

1257
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Speaker 1: have a going