1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. Sit is Saturday, November the eighth, and 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: the hunt is on for a killer, for the killer 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: who murdered a University of Colorado college student forty plus 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: years ago. But there's a renewed effort to find this 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: killer because of the death of Hollywood legend Robert Redford. 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't even know this connection. 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: It's fascinating to hear. But a guy has been on 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: the loose for forty plus years, and after Robert Redford's death, 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: there is a whole new effort to find this guy. 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: That's right. 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 3: Robert Redford died September sixteenth. The next day. The following day, 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 3: the FBI announced in a social media post that it 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: was offering a ten thousand dollars reward for information leading 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: to the arrest of sid Wells's murder suspect, the name 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: Thane Allan Simca. And it was a deliberate decision to 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: use the death of Robert Redford to renew the effort 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: to find this guy who has been on the run 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: since nineteen eighty six. 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: So what's the connection and who cares and why would 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: Robert Redford care where there is a connection here, and 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: it seems a little bit ro like you said it 23 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: that way, and I know you didn't mean it negatively, 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: and the authorities don't either. They used his death well. 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: It was a brilliant move because everybody's talking about and 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: it was talking about Robert Redford in this cold case 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: of forty plus years. Now there was attention on Robert 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: Redford and his life and his background and his family 29 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: and his daughter, and people started to make the connection 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: and hear about this story that he has for forty 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: years been wanting to find the guy who killed his 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: daughter's boyfriend when they were in college. 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: That's right, So his daughter was dating Sidwells. He was 34 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: twenty two years old. This is such a just a 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: tragic and sad and all murders are, but this one 36 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: just seems so pointless. He was literally weeks away from 37 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: beginning his senior year at the University of Colorado Boulder 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: and his daughter, Shawna this was her boyfriend for several years. 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 3: They were both about to go into their senior year. 40 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: But the murder happened on August first, nineteen eighty three, 41 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: in his own apartment when his roommate found him shot 42 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: execution style in the back of the head in his 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: living room with a twenty two gage shotgun wound. That 44 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 3: is what police had to go by. This was a 45 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 3: kid who was well liked again, had a wonderful girlfriend, 46 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: and was close with Robert Redford and his family. And 47 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: when news of this murder happened, Robert Redford was actually 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: filming The Graduate at the time, and he was in Buffalo, 49 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: New York. And they actually stopped production of the movie 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 3: so that Robert could fly to Boulder to be with 51 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: his daughter and attend the funeral. And as you might imagine, 52 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: that made national headlines. 53 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I never I've never heard the story before 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,839 Speaker 1: his death. Never, And we were doing a story about 55 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: this is the point and why authorities did take advantage 56 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: of this moment. They want to solve this crime, and 57 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: why hasn't been solved. Well, here's the thing, folks. They 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: believe they know who killed sid Wells, the boyfriend of 59 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: Robert Redford's daughter, back in nineteen eighty three. In fact, 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: he was arrested and it went before a grand jury 61 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: just a couple of months after the killing. But that 62 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: person was they refused at the time to file charges 63 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: the district attorney and then that suspect was the name 64 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: again Thane. 65 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: His name is Thane Allen Smika Faine. Smika was a 66 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 4: roommate of sid Wells. Now they arrested him charges not 67 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: filed robes, and that was in nineteen eighty three. For 68 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: the most part, he been seen. 69 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: Since that is true, he basically the grand jury refused 70 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: to indict Smca in nineteen eighty five, and according to 71 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: the FBI, he vanished a year later. So as of 72 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty six, he has not been seen. But this 73 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: hasn't been the first renewal of an effort to try 74 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: and find Smicha. And let's go over the evidence of 75 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: this young man. So a note was found at the 76 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: scene at the apartment, and Smicha had written out a 77 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 3: note saying, apparently writing it to sid that he had 78 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: gone to visit his parents. So investigators immediately drove to 79 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: Smika's home that evening or his mother's house that evening 80 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: to tell him about the death. And they started to 81 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: ask him, why are you back home, and he said, oh, 82 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: I had to do some laundry and I needed to 83 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 3: get a perm That might sound silly. But part of 84 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: the reason why they got suspicious is that turns out 85 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: where they lived in Boulder had a laundry facility, and 86 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: they found out he had gotten a perm the week before. 87 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: So what he told them, the reasoning behind why he 88 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: went to go visit his parents was not true. And 89 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: so that's when they started looking into Smike. And we're 90 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: concerned about his activities, his drug activities specifically. 91 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, so again, people are innocent to approving guilty. But 92 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: this is the guy, and it's always been the guy. 93 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: He's the only person who for the most part, fell 94 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: under suspicion of authority. So they arrest them, they don't 95 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: charge him. A new DA comes I believe around twenty 96 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: tennish around that area, who decides, you know what, I 97 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: got enough evidence and I'm going after this guy. Reissued 98 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: an arrest warrant that was thirteen or so, thirteen years ago. 99 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: He ain't heard a peep from Thane Smika, correct. 100 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 3: And so yes, they actually used modern DNA testing to 101 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: try and specifically link Smika to the crime. And they 102 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: also have a friend who has come out and said 103 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 3: that Smca confessed to the murder after a night of 104 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: drinking they have another woman who told police that Smicha's 105 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 3: sister told her that she had to wash his bloody 106 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: clothes that evening, the evening of the murders. So they 107 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 3: have evidence now that they've been able to gather and 108 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: they want to then actually have him now face a 109 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: jury of his peers. So in twenty ten, as you mentioned, 110 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: they obtained an unarrest warrant to try and find him. 111 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: And that's when Robert Redford actually and this is interesting. 112 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: This was an article that was published by the Reporter 113 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: after Redford's death, but he talked about this now retired 114 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 3: DA talked about how impactful it was to have Robert 115 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: Redford call the police office and say thank you, thank 116 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: you for continuing to pay attention to this case, thank 117 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: you for trying to solve this crime that has plagued 118 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: me my daughter. And there are folks who say Robert 119 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 3: Redford was never the same after this murder, that he 120 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: got quieter, that he was chilled, and he was concerned 121 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: even perhaps for the safety of his own daughter at 122 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: that point, and he really did take a step back 123 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 3: from his very public life after this murder. 124 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: I get these were and again this is something I 125 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: didn't know what his daughter sewn. At the time. These 126 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: folks had been together four years. He was a part 127 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: of their family. He did vacations with them, He went 128 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: to his their house and sun dance and right rode horses. 129 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: I've right as well in an article with somebody who 130 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: interviewed Sidwell's mom said, Robert Redverord actually flew flew this 131 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: kid to New York to meet Tom Brokaw. I mean 132 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: this was a family member. Who know, they might have 133 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: been talking about marriage and going down that road. This 134 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: was somebody who was essentially a family member who was murdered. 135 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: This wasn't just some extension or some friend of his daughter. 136 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine how it didn't have an impact. And 137 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: we think, I mean that movie. Was it an he 138 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: got his Oscar direct? Was it the Natural? I don't 139 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: know where the Natural falls in history, But this is 140 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: considered if you start talking about Robert Redford, that's going 141 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: to be one of the first two or three movies 142 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: that comes out of somebody's mouth. And to think, in 143 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: the middle of putting together what is I guess considered 144 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: Hollywood history and royalty when it comes to filmmaking. He 145 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: stopped in the middle of filming The Natural to go 146 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: be with his daughter whose boyfriend had just been murdered. 147 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: I had no idea. 148 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: I didn't either. 149 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: That's remarkable to hear that. 150 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: It is, and to hear about this murder and this 151 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 3: mystery and this unsolved cold case that I didn't even 152 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: know existed. So it was incredibly smart of the FBI 153 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: taking advantage. And yes, I'm glad you pointed that out. 154 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: I wasn't meaning it in a negative way. 155 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: And they aren't either. I would say it again. They 156 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: took advantage of the moment. Nothing wrong with that, and 157 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: you should. We're trying to give justice to a family, 158 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: and absolutely that is what they should do in this moment. Again, 159 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: Robert Redford died and I found out something from forty 160 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: years ago that I had no idea about, and that 161 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: there is somebody on the loose and they have a 162 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: name what this guy would be in his sixties. 163 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: Sixties points it would be his age right now. 164 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: And yes, so it's benefactive that now there have been 165 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: several news articles written about this cold case that most 166 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: of us haven't heard of, and the FBI didnver field 167 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: off of sharing that social media post they put on 168 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: that new flyer that they've now released, and you can 169 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: check it out if you go look onto their website, 170 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: it's there. But they actually have a an age progressed 171 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: drawing of what they think Smicha might look like now 172 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: and again reiterating that they're offering that ten thousand dollars 173 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: for any information because they're just looking for one lead, 174 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: one bit of information, because they when they had that 175 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: renewed effort back in twenty ten, they went back to 176 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: his parents, They took their phones. They were looking for 177 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 3: any kind of communication that may have been occurring between 178 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: his parents and between Smicha, and they could find none, which. 179 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: Is really really remarkable. 180 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: Even his parents all the time claimed they did not 181 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: know where he was once he left in nineteen eighty six. 182 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: They said they never saw him and they never heard 183 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: from him again. 184 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: Possible he's dead, I guess, I mean not necessarily old age. 185 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: Who knows what could have happened. But you lived to 186 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: be sixty something, You could have medical issues, could have 187 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: had and hit by damn bus. Have no idea, but 188 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: the behavior or the ant what his parents are saying 189 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: suggest a guy who is actually on the run who 190 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be found. 191 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: And who knows he's guilty. There's a reason why he 192 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 3: never showed back up, There's a reason why he left, 193 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: there's a reason why he's never resurfaced, and so a 194 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: lot of people think that points to his guilt as well. 195 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: Now where could he be now, Well, we do know 196 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: that according to the FBI, the last known trace of 197 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: Smika was when his car, which had a stolen license 198 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: plate and was actually scrubbed clean of fingerprints, was found 199 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: abandoned in Beverly Hills in October of nineteen eighty six. 200 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 3: So that is the last known connection to Smicha that 201 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: police have been able to actually tangibly set their hands. 202 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: On forty years ago. I don't know how people fall 203 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: off the face of the earth, but he has apparently done. 204 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: So. 205 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: Look, I don't a lot of families out there who 206 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: wish that their unsolved crime could get this kind of attention. 207 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: And I get that, but they say, this is a 208 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: case that has never gone cold, This is a case 209 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: that has remained active. But now there is a tension. 210 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: And I don't mind that Robert Redford is being used 211 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: this way or his death is being Yeah, it sounds 212 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: bad to say it that way, but to think that 213 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: a guy forty years ago who haven't heard a trace 214 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: of him forty years ago. My question after you said 215 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: that was who's been looking for him this type of actively? Like, 216 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: who has been they are raising awareness of this somebody 217 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: now like, oh that guy. I don't think it'll be long. 218 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: I actually don't, because people keep writing artists and talking 219 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: about this. But that was the thing that jumped to mind, 220 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: is that how hard have they been looking for him? 221 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: I think we had to be forty years man, But 222 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: this is the time, This is the moment I think 223 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: they're gonna catch his guy. 224 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: I love your positivity. I think that's incredible. And here's 225 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: another thing to your point. Every time there's been some 226 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: sort of renewed interest in this case, tips have come in. 227 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: So there was a time when this actually was featured 228 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: on forty eight hours, the CBS news program that was 229 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: back in nineteen ninety eight. They had a bunch of 230 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: tips and sightings police say of Zmika from California and Mexico, 231 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: but nothing actually ended up bearing fruit. But the point 232 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: is when you get tips and you get information and 233 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: you can start following them down, maybe one of them 234 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: lead you to this guy. 235 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 2: And that's the hope in this case. 236 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: Wait what did you just say? There? They wait, repeat 237 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: that they've wait, repeat what you just said. 238 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part about they've the lead. 239 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: They saw him somewhere, do they think, And you were 240 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: looking into this a little more than I was, So 241 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: my question there is possible sightings or they think he was. 242 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: They do think in fact, positive sightings. They just didn't 243 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: catch up. 244 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 3: With possible sightings and they didn't catch up with him. 245 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 3: So that's what happened in nineteen ninety eight. And right 246 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: around that same time, the parents of Smicha were actually speaking. 247 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: To reporters and they told. 248 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: They told this reporter that Smicha told them that he 249 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: planned to flee and move to another country, so they 250 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: knew he was leaving, and they knew that his plans 251 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 3: involved going to another country. And he even told them 252 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 3: at that point. This may be the reason why you know, 253 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: you said he could be dead. This is interesting. He 254 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 3: told his parents to get their passports ready so that 255 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: they could come and see him once he had settled in, 256 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: but then he never reached out afterwards, they never heard 257 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: from him again again. 258 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: In a sentence, will proven guilty. But this is the 259 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: only person they have been looking at for this crime, 260 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, it just doesn't look good. But still 261 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: there is they believe a killer on the loose, and 262 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: they do believe they have his name. Well, stay here, folks. 263 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: It's almost unbelievable to think of what happened on that 264 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: Colorado campus in how Robert Redford's daughter was involved in that. 265 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: But like you said, Robes, this changed him. Many people 266 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: believe forever Robert Redford. And only barely a year after 267 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: this tragedy, that same daughter had another terrible scare. We'll explain. 268 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: Stay here, all right, folks, welcome back to Amy and TJ. 269 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: The huntas for a killer, the killer of sid Wells 270 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: A University of Colorado. Soon do they say? Colorado University 271 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: is see you when we see it all the time? 272 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: But the correct way should? Do they not like to 273 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: be called the University of Colorado. 274 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: It's so funny because obviously, if if you're a fan 275 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 3: of this program, you know that my youngest daughter goes 276 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: to we just say Boulder, so but yes, see you Boulder, 277 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 3: but University of Colorado Boulder. 278 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't what's officially the right? Okay? Apologies folks in Boulder, 279 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: that's the correct way to do it. But yes, Robert 280 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: Redford his death has renewed an effort to find the 281 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: killer of Sidwell. Sidwells with the boyfriend of Robert Redford's 282 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: daughter when they were in school back in nineteen eighty three. 283 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: That murder happened on August first, execution style, and the 284 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: person they believe killed sid Wells has been on the 285 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: run for forty plus years or arrested once but never 286 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: formally charged, and now another arrest warrant has been issued 287 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: for him. Roges, this was we talked about you, and 288 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: maybe you can talk about elaborate a little more about 289 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: how people say this really impacted Robert Redford, who was 290 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: at the top of his game certainly at that point 291 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty three, had certainly more work to do, 292 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: but he was a Hollywood heavyweight at that time. 293 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: He absolutely was. 294 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: And yes, The Natural ended up becoming such a huge hit, 295 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: but yes, he had just begun production on that film 296 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: when this all went down, and those around him say 297 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 3: there was something inside of him that got fearful. He 298 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: kind of had this larger than life, just a life 299 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: of the party kind of personality, and they say after this. 300 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: When he came back from. 301 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: That funeral, he came back a changed man, and he 302 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: came back different, and he never really resumed that care 303 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: free version of himself before because suddenly, now this was 304 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 3: obviously an unbelievable tragedy to happen to anyone, but then 305 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: to have it be unsolved, to know that then this 306 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: person who his friends, his family, and police all believed 307 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: killed sid on the loose. 308 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: You're looking over your shoulder. 309 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: You're concerned for your safety, You're concerned for your daughter's safety, 310 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 3: your family's safety. And he had that. There was just 311 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: a chill that washed over him that never left him. 312 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: And this was such an important part of his life. 313 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: He wanted to do everything he could, and police say 314 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: he did. He offered anything and everything he could to 315 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: try and help find this man once he escaped. 316 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: You're talking about how fearful they were of somebody out there. 317 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: Robin Redford reportedly paid for security for the family because 318 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: they didn't know where the killer was and wanted to 319 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: make sure they were safe. I mean, so I am 320 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: learning now that yes, this was the boyfriend of his daughter, 321 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: But the more I read up on it, this sound 322 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: like a family member of Robert Redford died. 323 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: Yes, he considered him probably a son in law, a 324 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: future son in law at the very least. That's how 325 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 3: serious these two were. And yeah, the pictures of the 326 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 3: two of them are everywhere. They were such a sweet couple. 327 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: And yes, his mother the interview was sids mother. She's 328 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: since passed, but just spoke so highly. 329 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: She said. At first she was upset. 330 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 3: She thought that the Robert Redford connection was overshadowing the 331 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: death and the murder of her son, and she was 332 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: concerned that maybe people were too excited about Robert Redford's 333 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 3: connection and not interested enough in actually solving the crime. 334 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 3: But then she said, she came to realize she needed 335 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: Robert Redford and that his focus and that his celebrity 336 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: actually drew attention to the case, and that was she 337 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: thought at that point. Yeah, the only hope they had 338 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 3: of actually getting enough eyeballs. 339 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: You see, we've seen this over the years in crimes. 340 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 3: Family members are desperate to get media to pay attention 341 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: to their families, their loved one story, whoever was killed, 342 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 3: especially if there's someone on a loose or someone who 343 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 3: has and faced justice. They are desperate to get the 344 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 3: media to pay attention to their story and this was 345 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 3: an obvious way to do it, and she realized it 346 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 3: eventually and was grateful for it. 347 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and why not? And here we are again, 348 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: And I really wonder what she'd have thought. We talked 349 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: still about this being a family member. Was there was 350 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: You probably saw the photo as well, but it was 351 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: freaking adorable of them when they were freshmen. I think 352 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: sid wells his dad was in the military, so he had, 353 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, this sense of milily even if he wasn't 354 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: going into the military. He I think it was rotc 355 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: but he had some freshman first dance he had to 356 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: go to and he needed a date, and that's when 357 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 1: he asked Sean O to be his date. And low 358 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: and behold, they stayed together throughout all those years. This 359 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: was a significant relationship. And I just had no idea 360 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: about this story. But Robes this same daughter. So this 361 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: murder was in August of nineteen eighty three. I think 362 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: it was early summer nineteen eighty four. His daughter was 363 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: in a really serious car accident in which her car 364 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: plunged into a river and she had to be pulled out. 365 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: She escaped without very serious injuries, but the very next year. 366 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: So to your what you were saying about his daughter 367 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: and how this changed him, and how he lived in fear, 368 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: and you know he had to worry about his daughter. 369 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: She was not in the home or nearby necessarily when 370 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: the murder took place. But still, this is somebody that 371 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: close that violence, that close to home, and that close 372 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: to somebody you loved the way you would love your daughter. 373 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: Then the very next year this happened. I can't imagine. 374 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: I would like to go back and study him now 375 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: to a certain degree, at least his public life, and 376 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: I bet you you very well could see a difference 377 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: in him from nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty nine ninety. 378 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: I can't imagine how this one year changed this man. 379 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: And you know what, it is a remarkable thing. I 380 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: think a lot of us see celebrities and we think 381 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 3: they they live this charmed life where they don't deal 382 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: with pain or tragedy, or they're insulated from some of 383 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: that by their celebrity and their money. 384 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: No, and it's so this is just. 385 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 3: Another glaring example of just the human side of all 386 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 3: of us, and that no matter who you are, murdered death, 387 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: all they touch you in such a deep traumatic way 388 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: you can't recover oftentimes, and that's what it seems to 389 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: have been the case with. 390 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: Robert Redford and in Shauna. I didn't. I went and looked. 391 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: She's married, she has two kids, she's living, she's a painter. 392 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 3: Seems like she's lived a beautiful life. But I'm sure 393 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: that pain and that not knowing and that emptiness is 394 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: still there. 395 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: And you know what, she's dealing with it again, she 396 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: sees the what's in news, she sees the headlines, she 397 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: knows what's happening. She just lost her dad. And this 398 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: is a part of this story. Now, this will not 399 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: be the last we hear of it. I just absolutely 400 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 1: think because of this in depth, Robert Redford might be 401 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: helpful in solving a crime and giving a family justice 402 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: they've been looking for for forty plus years. So, folks, 403 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: we just wanted to hop on this is one we're 404 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: absolutely going to be following. So we always appreciate you 405 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: spending some time here with us. So on behalf of 406 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: Amy Robot. I'm TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to y'all real soon.