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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Greg Rosenthal and I'm joined by room

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Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and about a

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Speaker 1: little Patrick claib. Hey, Greg, weird show. You know, Dan

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Speaker 1: Colleen sometimes, uh you know, steps into the host chair.

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Speaker 1: She's in Indianapolis covering the final day of the combine.

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Speaker 1: So so we we four John, but we got a

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Speaker 1: their quarterback, Well, Hugh Jackson gives John Dorsey an excellent scapegoat.

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Speaker 1: When everything inevitably crashes into itself, it seems like a

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Speaker 1: lot of scapegoats are leaning on each other. It's like

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Speaker 1: a house of scapegoats. Bunsen Burner bloats. Our tier goats

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Speaker 1: do tend to climb up on the roofs and stuff. So, uh, scapegoat,

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Speaker 1: so's gonna have to photoshop that one. The etymology of

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Speaker 1: scapegoats already know what that is? What is it from

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Speaker 1: the old biblical times when you know when the whole

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Speaker 1: village would have a problem, they would put it on

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Speaker 1: a goat instead of a person and run that goat

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Speaker 1: out of town. Really yeah, they would put they would like,

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Speaker 1: put it on a cursed goat, run that goat out

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Speaker 1: of town, kind of like sending pigs off the cliff.

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Speaker 1: It's like you said, you don't have to kill a

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Speaker 1: human in retaliation for something. You just put all the

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Speaker 1: sins on a goat. Save it for the boical etymology

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Speaker 1: podcast College Bombs. I was thinking scape had something to do.

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Speaker 1: I like when people say skate what how do the

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Speaker 1: people an escapegoat? Yeah, an escapegoat that's wanted to do,

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Speaker 1: but then they got set on fire or whatever. So,

449
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Speaker 1: but Karen almost got traded last year to the Browns.

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Speaker 1: One guy who could get traded this offseason is Michael Bennett.

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Speaker 1: I had some run ins uh with our fearless host

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Speaker 1: of this podcast, Dan Hans is back in the locker

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Speaker 1: room after losing the Super Bowl. Not not Michael Bennett's

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Speaker 1: finest day, he uns with a few people. He has

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Speaker 1: also been one of the most versatile and maybe underrated,

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Speaker 1: although I feel by the end of his career now

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Speaker 1: people properly rate Michael Bennett and and recognize what a

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Speaker 1: great player he's been. The Seahawks might not be able

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Speaker 1: to afford him anymore, and so he is reportedly on

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Speaker 1: the trade box. Multiple teams are in on Michael Bennett,

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Speaker 1: and the Atlanta Falcons is one that ESPN dot Coms

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Speaker 1: ESPN NFL Nation Reporter throughout there as getting in the

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Speaker 1: mix for Michael Bennett. That makes sense with the Dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn connection, he can still play. Michael Bennett. His pass

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Speaker 1: rushing numbers were better than last year than they were

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Speaker 1: the year before. Uh. That said, he's turning thirty three

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Speaker 1: during the seasons. But to me, doesn't he make more

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Speaker 1: sense on the Falcons now because I think the Falcons

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Speaker 1: have a much better roster than the Seahawks. I think

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Speaker 1: it's like when you're trying to figure out what the

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Speaker 1: Michael Bennett experience is all about. Like Dan Quinn, any

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Speaker 1: former coach makes sense because you've been there, you dealt

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Speaker 1: with the player you know. Uh is it Chris Rashardon

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Speaker 1: Dallas is another guy who might be out there. They

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Speaker 1: could always use some pass rushing help. I find it

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Speaker 1: interested in Seattle would be ready to give up on him.

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Speaker 1: He's I read this one or not? Like it's one

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Speaker 1: point five million is his salary of the season. That's

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Speaker 1: his base salary. He does have h just put it up.

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Speaker 1: I obviously would not have known this a four million

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Speaker 1: dollar roster bonus. Don't say it. Just just act like

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Speaker 1: he has a four million dollar roster bonus. So that's

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Speaker 1: a total of five point six million. Maybe there's some

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Speaker 1: other bonus money in there, but that's that's certainly not crazy.

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Speaker 1: But the Seahawks, I think they're ready to kind of

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Speaker 1: push the button and start over, and they have salary

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Speaker 1: cap issues and I think they want to get aggressive,

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Speaker 1: maybe signing uh some new players to their team. And

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Speaker 1: one really telling quote that stuck with me from last

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Speaker 1: week was talking to Pete Carroll and hearing him getting

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Speaker 1: asked questions about changing his coaching staff, and he was

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Speaker 1: just he just said I thought it was time. He I.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I thought it was time. I need to

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Speaker 1: be He said he needed to be challenged more that

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Speaker 1: he's looking forward to the challenge. He wants some new

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Speaker 1: coaches and I kind of fill in the blank, maybe

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Speaker 1: new players that challenge him. He said he likes the

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Speaker 1: challenge almost of not starting over, but it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a different era of Seahawks football camp. Chancellor might be gone,

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Speaker 1: Cliff Avril might be gone, and maybe their thought is

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Speaker 1: why keep Michael Bennett one more year? We need some

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Speaker 1: extra cap space, Let's let's send him away. I guess

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Speaker 1: the argument would be because he can still contribute the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and you understand you want to make some changes, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that defense is something that you

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Speaker 1: want to give up on right now. Yeah, be careful

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Speaker 1: of these house cleaning sometimes because sometimes the head coach

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Speaker 1: can be the last element and can come in late December.

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Speaker 1: It's something that I think there they would have to

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Speaker 1: be on the same page though, that John Schneider and

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll are kind of in this together, and I

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Speaker 1: think they always have been really in lockstep. And Bennett

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Speaker 1: was injured and he is turning thirty three, so it's

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Speaker 1: he's not he's not without a risk on the on

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Speaker 1: the falcon side watching that. After watching the game against

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, I had to go back and ask research

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Speaker 1: if Vic Beasley actually played in that game. Yeah, did

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Speaker 1: he play all year? He played like twenty snaps a

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Speaker 1: year and twenty snaps the game and was kind of

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Speaker 1: playing a linebacker. They said, by the way, they're going

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Speaker 1: to move him back. They moved they changed his position

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Speaker 1: every year, moving back to the the defensive vent. But they

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Speaker 1: have a lot of guys on that team that are

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Speaker 1: just kind of taking up space. Derek Shelby think they

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Speaker 1: cut Derek. It would be often to be it would

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Speaker 1: be terrible to be described that way. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: a lot in one's career just probably pretty well. I

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Speaker 1: guess a lot of guys who are making kind of

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Speaker 1: Michael bennettich money that maybe aren't as good as Michael Bennett.

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Speaker 1: The minimum descriptor for human alive or dead. That's all

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Speaker 1: I'm doing. Occupies. It's taken up space. Uh, this this

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Speaker 1: news segments taken up space. I think I gotta pick

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Speaker 1: up the pace that we want with hands is not here.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Eagles, where a couple of

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Speaker 1: stories came out over the weekend. One was from UH

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Speaker 1: Jeff Master, who has covered this team for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and reported an a f C team offered a second

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Speaker 1: round pick for Nick Foles. And the other story was

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Speaker 1: that Vinny Curry UH could be cut. Initially it looked

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Speaker 1: like he was going to be cut. That was from

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Speaker 1: ur Ian Rappaport. Now they might try to restructure the

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Speaker 1: deal or potentially trade him. But two different stories there

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Speaker 1: and and the it sounds like the Fols price tag

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Speaker 1: is going to be very high if a team really

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Speaker 1: wanted well. ESPN Chris mortens Fro from ESPN, after we

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Speaker 1: kind of drummed up our our segments for this news thing,

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Speaker 1: reported that the Eagles are seeking more than the first

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Speaker 1: and fourth round pick level they sought for Sam Bradford

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Speaker 1: in exchange for Nick Foles. So I does not sound

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Speaker 1: two things. It sounds like, hey, we don't want to

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Speaker 1: we don't want to at him go and be we

552
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Speaker 1: want to make sure that Carson Wentz is actually ready

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Speaker 1: to roll because there's been a couple concerning reports about

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Speaker 1: the level of the knee injury that when suffered. How

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Speaker 1: do you know right now that if you get like

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles, go that Wentz will be they're ready to

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Speaker 1: go week one. And see they kind of want they

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Speaker 1: might want people to know about how how much it

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Speaker 1: would cost to get Nick Foles because these reports don't

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Speaker 1: come out of nowhere. But I mean, so that makes

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Speaker 1: me think that like, okay, we're not just gonna trade

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles. They really do value him, and why wouldn't

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Speaker 1: they He just won them a super Bowl. But they

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Speaker 1: also don't mind maybe hearing, you know, telling other teams, hey,

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Speaker 1: you give us a first and and a fourth, we'll

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Speaker 1: think about what's this a f C team that offered

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Speaker 1: a second That to me sounds substance to have a

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Speaker 1: couple of seconds. But again, you're giving away a second

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Speaker 1: for Nick Foles and you're also pursuing a g mccaren.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't really pass the test. A fulls trade

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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense for any side except Nick's side. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because any team lacking the coaching acumen

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Speaker 1: and surrounding town of Philadelphia will be giving up way

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Speaker 1: too much for what he's worth. Describes a lot of teams. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't make Why would you be give basically

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Speaker 1: like every team. Yeah, so you'd be giving up more

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Speaker 1: than he's worth to the Eagles to come play on

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Speaker 1: your team, and a guy that who would be a

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Speaker 1: stock pack quarterback and you bench him after eight games.

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Speaker 1: Too many other options out there. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: you'd ever give up a massive amount of pick. You're

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Speaker 1: not buying the Nick Folls career resurgence, and he could

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Speaker 1: take your team to the I sat there and so

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Speaker 1: the Eagles were dead, just like plenty of people did.

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Speaker 1: So Obviously, anything can happen. That's why they play the games.

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Speaker 1: But as to what I want my team, if I

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Speaker 1: had a team, hypothetical team that I'm a fan of,

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Speaker 1: uh real. You try to keep it under ground, but

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Speaker 1: I've been doing some insider reporting. I know you don't

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Speaker 1: like front in the hallway and you don't like putting

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Speaker 1: it out there. He grew up a Cowboys fan, those

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Speaker 1: colors that it takes a long time to give that up.

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Speaker 1: I went to college with DeMarcus. He was a really

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Speaker 1: nice guy. Uh he got drafted by Bill Parcels and

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed his success. So now so you're now your

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Speaker 1: your stance as you've moved on because DeMarcus where has

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Speaker 1: moved on? Moved on because there's some corroborating evidence here,

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Speaker 1: all right. Patrick has had a more vigorous take on J. J.

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Speaker 1: Wilcox than any non Cowboys fancy exactly kind of like

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Speaker 1: kind of like West. For even though he says he

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Speaker 1: has no feelings towards the Bengals whatsoever, he followed them

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Speaker 1: closer because his family does. It's not even true he

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Speaker 1: has And now well you've got Wilcox hot takes. Well.

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Speaker 1: I got roped into another segment of Cowboys defense because

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Speaker 1: people used to say it was constant twitter Tony Romo,

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Speaker 1: this Tony Romo, that as Tony Romo was the worst

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Speaker 1: football player who had ever played the game until I

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Speaker 1: would constantly put on my cape defending Tony Romo. And

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Speaker 1: because of that, watching the other team breeze past the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys defense as though he had a file. I like

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Speaker 1: Greg opening that comment with attempting to call that breaking

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Speaker 1: news that we simply know what team our friend roots for.

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Speaker 1: In the opposite, well, he tries to keep he tries

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Speaker 1: to get into wraps. He's an NFL network personality, tries

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Speaker 1: to hide it, and I'm I'm here. I'm all about

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Speaker 1: truth if somebody's really a fan of a team. I

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Speaker 1: watched the Oscars and they told me that it's all

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Speaker 1: about truth in too from let them. Uh another big

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Speaker 1: truth today we learned Antonio Crimarti is retiring. I thought

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Speaker 1: we should mention this. He's had a very notable NFL career.

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Speaker 1: He announced it on Instagram. Mark, what will you remember

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Speaker 1: most about the Antonio Crimarti NFL career? Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: probably because so much of I mean, there's so much

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Speaker 1: hype around certain storylines of these quirky the quirky aspects

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Speaker 1: of these players. I'll just remember that he had like

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Speaker 1: a hundred and six children. Couldn't remember them. Also, another

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Speaker 1: I have a memory of a time when the Jets

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Speaker 1: played the Broncos on Thursday Night Football, when the Tim

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Speaker 1: Tebow Parade was at its height, and there was a

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Speaker 1: play where Tim Tebow with the Jets sort of season,

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Speaker 1: kind of hanging on the on the cusp, Tim Tebow

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Speaker 1: soaring towards the end zone for a game deciding or

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Speaker 1: altering score, and Antonio Cromarti dodging to get out of

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Speaker 1: the way and not have to deal with Tim Tebow

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Speaker 1: head on running full steam towards theater. I'm sure someone

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if Dan were here, he would see him

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Speaker 1: as a much different place. I watched that game with Dan.

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Speaker 1: I know he remembers it too. I have some very

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Speaker 1: specific memories from early in his career when the Chargers

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Speaker 1: were going deep into the playoffs and talking to my

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Speaker 1: boy spice Rack about him. Spice Rack with He would

642
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Speaker 1: text me during Chargers game and say, this guy is

643
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Speaker 1: one of the most naturally gifted players I've ever seen

644
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: on a football field, and rave about his leaping ability,

645
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: body control, hands, that he should be playing wide receiver

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Speaker 1: not defensive back, that he's so naturally talented, and that

647
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: second year in the league he's just a part time starter.

648
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Speaker 1: And I think he led the league with ten interstity

649
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: did he let tick? He was including three against Peyton Manning.

650
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Speaker 1: I believe on Monday Night football to be that I

651
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: could easily check this, but it was kind of the

652
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Speaker 1: Antonio Crimarti game where just people are going nuts. And

653
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Speaker 1: he he had a couple of seasons like that throughout

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Speaker 1: his career, including one of his Jet seasons where for

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Speaker 1: one season he was just a shut down, unstoppable guy,

656
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Speaker 1: made four Pro Bowls, made a first team All Pro.

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Speaker 1: And to do all that when you're not known for

658
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: your work ethic or your technique is pretty pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: I'll go positive as well. Guy that played limited He

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661
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Speaker 1: of other injuries at Florida State, and so when the

662
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: Chargers drafted him, it was it was almost like, what

663
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Speaker 1: like this guy? You know, there's not a lot of

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Speaker 1: tape out on him. And Miles said he he came in,

665
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Speaker 1: uh played in the NFL for ten years. In that book,

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Speaker 1: in that Colligion Low Crossers Jets chronicling book that we've

667
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: discussed probably a hundred twenty seven times on this on

668
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Speaker 1: this show, he is one of the top three most intriguing,

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00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: bizarre and enigmatic people because I think from whoever the

670
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: coach was or only certain coaches were really allowed to

671
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: communicate with him and impact him. He just seemed like

672
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: a total a character off the field in every possible way.

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00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: I vaguely recalled those coaches being hot on him one minute,

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Speaker 1: cooled on in the next, and then an endless cycle

675
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 1: of just whether we like chrome, whether we're gonna keep

676
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Speaker 1: him on the team or not. So uh, that's the

677
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: end of Antonio Crimarti's career. Um probably the end of

678
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: Alden Smith's career came about this week with a couple

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Speaker 1: items in the news. And we'll be quick on this,

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00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: but the San Francisco Police we're searching for Smith after

681
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: he was all allegedly involved in a domestic violence incident,

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Speaker 1: police confirmed to NFL dot com over the weekend. And

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Speaker 1: then the Raiders officially released Smith what what wasn't even

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00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: totally a where he was officially on their roster. He

685
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: was set to hit free agency. The twenty eight year

686
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: old came into the league as one of the best

687
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: pass rushers in the league for his first two seasons,

688
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: and he has not played since two thousand uh. In fifteen,

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Speaker 1: I believe, and he was good under Jim Harbor like

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00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: year and has not played a snap since. Cannot get

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Speaker 1: out of his own way. He's not coming back. It's

693
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,240
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695
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,719
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Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. The NFL Scouting Combine, you know, there's

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00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guys running around. My kids watched it

714
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: and at one point my daughter asked like, how do

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Speaker 1: you win? And I thought that was a fairly good,

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Speaker 1: good question. You know what we've got. We've got an

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Speaker 1: you who wins. Let's maybe start with I don't even

719
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: believe that we have winners. No, I don't know why not.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go. I don't believe that any of it

721
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Speaker 1: really means that much. No, it's not. But we're going

722
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: to talk about what happened and we can have least

723
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: have fun with it. It's a little too much grunting here,

724
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: It's it's a deep burn too much. That's way worse. Yeah,

725
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: if you're if you're grunting that much while lifting, you're

726
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: in trouble. Let's start with Patrick Clayban, give us, give

727
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: us a winner. Mike Gisicky. I think he had the

728
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: best performance in the combine. His three cone time was

729
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: comparable to that of of cornerbacks. The tight end out

730
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Speaker 1: of Penn State. You know, people are drooling over Sae

731
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: Kwon's workout, and they should be. But I really think

732
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Speaker 1: there's an argument that Mike Gisicki at six five, right

733
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Speaker 1: under two fifty pounds, running four or five getting around

734
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: six seconds in the in in three cone. Um, that's

735
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: a performance that that may get a lot of people

736
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: had him at tight end one, but I think that

737
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: might lock up our first round selection. If you if

738
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: you want to die, he's not. He's not gonna get

739
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: in there and and block. He's not going to be

740
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: that guy. Um, But how how many teams are really

741
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: getting that blocking tight end anyway? He kind of it

742
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: kind of reminded me of Vernon Davis. Vernon Davis had

743
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: a higher profile probably going into the Combine, but he's

744
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: someone who's draft stock went way up because of the Combine.

745
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: Maybe he went from a mid late first round type

746
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: of guy to to one who ended up going sixth

747
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: overall and you you were not draft next here. But

748
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: you kind of hear the same about Kaziki. I mean,

749
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: I think the obvious one is shakem Griffin and it sits.

750
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: It played big all weekend and it should have this

751
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: is someone who at the Senior Bowl they pulled him

752
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: aside at one point and he was making a pitch

753
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: to go to the Combine because he wasn't invited, and

754
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: it's someone who positionally they have to figure out what

755
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: to do with him. That was Bucky Brooks takeaway was

756
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: he had an incredible performance with the with the bench press,

757
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: his speed is explosion, It's all there. He's still someone

758
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: that they talked about is like his developmental project. He's

759
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: a special teams potential standout leader. But I really have

760
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: to say that if there's anything the Combine is so

761
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: there's so much about the Combine that I have to

762
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: look at in question what value do you take from it?

763
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: Just to your point West that watching some of these

764
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: quarterbacks throw passes to wide receivers they've never played with

765
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: and zero defense ahead of them. That's nice that you

766
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: can throw a sixty yard pass, but what does it

767
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: tell us in September, in Week six when you're getting

768
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: thrown in there, when your quarterback goes down with this

769
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: kind of performance, Just simply saying, I don't really care

770
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Speaker 1: what anyone says about me. I'm gonna prove every one

771
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: of you wrong. It's a little bit crazy to go

772
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: in and do what he did, and that no one

773
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: found him good enough to even go to what is

774
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: essentially just a large scouting event. Plenty of players that

775
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: will never emerge as NFL players. They looked right past him.

776
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: That to me, the initial invites for the scouting combine here,

777
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: that's right, not on the list, that's right. I think

778
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: we did learn something about this guy. He don't put

779
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: limits on Checken Griffin, because this is a guy who

780
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: a few years ago when he got to college and

781
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: they had to fit him for that prosthetic hand to

782
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: do the bench press, he was so wobbly he could

783
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: barely get the forty five pound bar up. And then

784
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: here he is four years later during twenty reps of two.

785
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: Don't put a limit on this guy because he's still

786
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: testing himself. Well. His his own brother was putting limits

787
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: on him. I believe his brother guessed that he was

788
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: going to run about a four six, so he and

789
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: he ran faster than Calvin Johnson. And and his brother,

790
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: of course is on the Seattle Seahawks. His twin brother,

791
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: uh cornerback, played pretty well. Another Shack Griffin to give

792
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: and and yeah, and and they he was. He interviewed

793
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: a little bit on on two on Monday's show on

794
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: on the scouting comment, he called into Rich and Mike

795
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: and they were They were there together and they asked

796
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: the question, who's what twins are faster than us? It's

797
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: the fastest twins in the game right now, saying hang

798
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: your hat on that. I mean, if the Hardy Boys

799
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Speaker 1: were technically twins, I'd put them potentially in the In

800
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: the conversation, how was the Seahawks, I'd want to go.

801
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: I want to draft him, wouldn't You wouldn't lineback's two

802
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: thousands at the combine. I saw Pete Carroll's reaction to

803
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: his run. He seemed intrigued. Yeah, they then they're they're

804
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: a team. I think that that they do. They march

805
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: to the beat of their own drummer. They take some

806
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: guys sometimes that only they want. So he was Griffin,

807
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: I think was a guy people didn't think of necessary

808
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: whether he was going to get drafted, whether or not.

809
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: Now he's looked at as kind of a mid round

810
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: type of pick, but who really knows. Twelve and a

811
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Speaker 1: half tackles for loss the senior year of college. Wow,

812
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Speaker 1: you can do a lot of stuff West, Who do

813
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: you got there is? You know, analytics was um sort

814
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: of brought into pro sports as a way to get

815
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: rid of dogmatism. But as it happens, there's a certain

816
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: segment in every sport of the analytics crowd that is

817
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: very dogmatic, and they don't trust their eyes because they

818
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: don't have an eye for the sports. They only go

819
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: by tenants of analytics and numbers. And Josh Allen is

820
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: a guy they hate. They cannot stand him because they

821
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: can't see and they can't extrapolate from tape how he's

822
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: going to do in the pros like scouts can. And

823
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be good or not,

824
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: but he is a guy who helped himself this weekend,

825
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: uh by all accounts have one of the best pro

826
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: days out there and one of the best arms that

827
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: we've seen in a decade. So to me, I'm just

828
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: intrigued by this guy because I don't think I am dogmatic.

829
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm willing to see what's going to happen with his career.

830
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, the Greasy They called him the biggest surprise

831
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Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks for how well he showed during a

832
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: drill that I largely just killed. But I but but

833
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: was he why was he surprised? Though wasn't great. I

834
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: think he showed more accuracy than they thought he showed

835
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: on just in general, I think the knock was again

836
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people are watching for the first time

837
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: live right. I think it was the accuracy and the

838
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: ability to change speeds and throw with finesse too. And

839
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Speaker 1: I think one part and it kind of plays into

840
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: the conversation like what are you looking for? As he said,

841
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: out of these we're watching guys run post corner routes

842
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: and you see a guy like Josh Rosen or Kyle

843
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: Letta wait for will not wait they're throwing, They're trying

844
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: to time the receiver's routes to get the ball there.

845
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Speaker 1: On top of what what Josh Allen has the ability

846
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: to do that not a lot of people can do.

847
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: He can wait for that guy out of his fifth

848
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: step going towards the corner and then just rifle a

849
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: bullet to him. Yeah, So that that on that stage

850
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: on some particular drills, it highlights what he can do best.

851
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: And it has, uh, you know, it has the ability

852
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: to throw away bad tape if you draft if you

853
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: draft Josh Allen number one overall for INDs, and it

854
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: sounds like he's in that mix at least that the

855
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: Browns would consider him, you have to be willing to

856
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: apparently throw out a lot of ugly tape that you

857
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: can put somewhat on the coaches in the situation at why.

858
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you can put it all on there,

859
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: if you're confident enough in your ability to do that.

860
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: I still do worry there's kind of an innate natural

861
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: ability to play quarterback that's hard to measure, what kind

862
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: of like your comfort with the position. And maybe that's

863
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: some of the and that's different than analytics, but I

864
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: think that's some of the problem that some people have

865
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen. It's like I remember with Ryan Tannehill.

866
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: People thought he had all the upside in the world

867
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: on some level because he was, you know, physically talented,

868
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: not a huge arm certainly nothing like Josh Allen. But

869
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: they thought, well, you can kinda he'll once he plays

870
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: quarterback more, he'll have a better feel of how to

871
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: play the position. But I don't know if I don't

872
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: know if that's something you can learn at the prolem

873
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: But I think scouts have doubts about that stuff too,

874
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: not just analytics, scouts questioned his field vision and his

875
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: ability to go through progressions. So that's an issue. Should

876
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: we go should we go to a loser? Threw I'll

877
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: throw out a winner because we haven't talked exactly about

878
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: se Quon Barkley, but the fact that he's now in

879
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: the mix for the number one overall pick. The thing

880
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: that stood out to me, uh was And this is

881
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: so kind of surface level, but just listening to him

882
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: do the interviews with the media and with Total Access

883
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: and with rich In Mike Mayock, I mean when you

884
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: listen to him talk, I mean he does seem like

885
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: about like the total package guy. And if you're gonna

886
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: take a guy to be the number one overall pick

887
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: or or the number two overall pick, because I think

888
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: the Giants could certainly be looking at I'm strong you

889
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: kind of want everything. You want him to be a

890
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: franchise guy, and I mean he is just an impressive

891
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: young guy. He's like the offensive we had Miles Garrett

892
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: last year, and on offense, you're getting sort of that version.

893
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: They say when he when he does running back things,

894
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: he looks like the best running back you've seen any

895
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: on and when he does wide receiver things, he's doing

896
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: stuff that some of the top wide receivers don't do

897
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: on some level. So and it's it's impossible to measure

898
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: kind of what you know, who who wants to be

899
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: the best pro? Who's gonna once they get to the

900
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: pro really want to be like the greatest of the greats.

901
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: But everything that you hear about him and his interviews

902
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: and the if you want to throw intangibles in there,

903
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: seems like he's got all of that. So you can

904
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: see why he'd be so tempting because you would have

905
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: to feel, if you're a GM, like I'm not gonna

906
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: miss on this guy like I could miss on the

907
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: other guys. There's literally no piece of information that somebody

908
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: could bring to the table to say you don't want, say,

909
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: Kwen Barkley on your f yet, No, not at all.

910
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: I mean one other guy thrown as Bradley Chubb because

911
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: they talk about him as in other drafts, he'd be

912
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: clear heat outside of Barkley, but he would be really

913
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: in the mix for the top overall pick. And in

914
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: this whirlwind of quarterbacks and Barkley and even Griffin everything

915
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: will happen completely forgotten this weekend. I feel like but

916
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: blew away his combine and someone's gonna land him at

917
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: somewhere between like three and six. Maybe. I mean, I'm

918
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: just saying like they're gonna get the guy that could

919
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: have been another year's totally qualified, successful number one overall. Dude,

920
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: a good draft to throw out some winners. Uh, there's

921
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: always guys I've never heard of when this comes up,

922
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: because I don't really watch college football. D J Moore

923
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: a wide receiver from Maryland whom I had never heard

924
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: of before Saturday, and I saw Mann Harmon tweeyed about him,

925
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: and and I always trust what Harmon has to say

926
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: about wide receivers because he studies them so intently. And uh,

927
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: this guy. Everything I heard after that was phenomenal. That

928
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: this guy, it seems like a can't miss guy at

929
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: wide receiver, had a great combine. And then when that

930
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: matches sort of what people are seeing on tape, he

931
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: seems like a guy who will be flying up draft

932
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: boards any losers from the uh the scenario, you know,

933
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't, maybe we should put it on he's good. Well,

934
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: the poor poor Maurice Hurst who had to leave with

935
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: a heart condition. I'll throw that out there just because

936
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: that's that's terrible news, and you hope that everything's okay.

937
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: But he's a defensive tackle out of Michigan that I

938
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: was expected to go in the first round and maybe

939
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: he still will. Uh. Similar things have happened with players

940
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: star Lott Leley, Nick Fairley who ended up popping back up.

941
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: But these guys still ended up getting drafted pretty high.

942
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: So maybe it's not that big a deal. We'll see.

943
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it's about us tagging someone as a loser,

944
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: but it was impossible not to hear the assessment on

945
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown. I mean, Bucky Brooks said it was, in quotes,

946
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: one of the worst athletic displays I've ever seen at

947
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: the NFL scouting combine, and that's it's a tackle pross

948
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: back to as NFL jeans and he just came in.

949
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: Apparently he was not prepared to shine. Hopefully he gets

950
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: a chance to light it up with the Pro day

951
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: because it it wasn't super impressive tackles at Pro days.

952
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna of Andre Smith. You know what was that

953
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: about seven eight years ago, when yeah, he was just

954
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of flopping, flopping all around a very famously he

955
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: needed like a sports bra for that word. Yeah, I

956
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: always feel like I need to take a shower after

957
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: the analysis on this stuff, no doubt. It's just like

958
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: it makes me feel kind of dirty listening to people

959
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: analyzed bodies in that one. Well with it with that,

960
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a nice little caper to our combine. Yes,

961
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: I liked it. I that I'm going to be the

962
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: one person that dropped like negative energy on some future

963
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: add out of Flop There we Go is a big

964
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: body guy. He had some you know, Florida state schedule,

965
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: you play against a lot of good talent. He scored

966
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: a touchdown on Maca Fitzpatrick. He came to Indian and

967
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: ran about a four seven uh at a vertical and it,

968
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: you know, it really didn't uh. He had a chance

969
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: to make some money. And I don't think, Yeah, it's

970
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: it's more situational, like Ronald Jones tweaked his hamstring and

971
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: couldn't run the forty, and he was someone that was

972
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: trying to vie to become the next running back off

973
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: the board. But there's still plenty of time for that.

974
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: I don't care that Sam Donald didn't throw, should I?

975
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you want to see him do that,

976
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: but what But why are you Wayne until now to

977
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: find out? If you find out if he can throw

978
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: or not, it's not a big deal. We're over it.

979
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: He'll throw, he'll light it up at the combine And uh,

980
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean that is pro day rather and uh, it's

981
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: basically all uh just kind of a precursor, all an

982
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: appetizer to the main entree of this program, and that

983
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: is trash Takes. The people demanded it. It's back you.

984
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: What's that smell? It's trash Takes with Patrick Clay we

985
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: even have a drop for. And it's not just with

986
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: Patrick Claybron it's with Patrick Clebon, Chris Wesley, and Mark

987
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: ss The it comes up and Mark and Chris are like,

988
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: I've got one. And so I'm not entirely sure how

989
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: the segment works, but I have something that I'm annoyed with. Okay, okay,

990
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: It's one thing. One of the great things about this

991
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: segment is that will never run out of resources. People say,

992
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: people have been saying dump stuff since people yes and

993
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: since people came vocabulary. Mine is just one that I

994
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: had to get to because it got so much reaction

995
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: from everybody. I got to it late. It was a

996
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 1: tweet from the Field Goals account that said, you can't

997
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: make fun of the Jaguars for having to pay Blake

998
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Bortles nineteen million dollars next season unless you're giving equal

999
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: ribbing to the Panthers for paying Cam Newton twenty one

1000
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: point five million. Bortles is arguably the better passer of

1001
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: the two, A tweet that spawned so much reaction that

1002
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Yeah, this is Clay brought this up as

1003
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: a potential one and I and I thought, oh, we

1004
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: we need to do this. Because Chris sent a very uh,

1005
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: almost apologetic tweet to field Goals after this and said,

1006
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry, um, but I'm gonna have to unfollow you.

1007
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: It's an account that I've really respected and considers something.

1008
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: I don't know who's running the account on that day

1009
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: or not, but some smart guys have come out of

1010
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: Field Goals, isn't Danny Kelly. They do a great job

1011
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: in general. I would say it's one of the best

1012
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: the better teams saying yeah, but it's such a rotten,

1013
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: rotten tweet and it's a bad take, and it makes

1014
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: no sense. That was because so that's it. They're done

1015
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: with you. So you did you unfollowed, you unfollowed them.

1016
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten around to yet. Okay, my only four

1017
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: weight for a into it, if I could say it,

1018
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: um was, Hey, we just got to find out which

1019
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: which one of the guys sent this tweet, you know,

1020
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: And Chris comes in there just barreling in like with

1021
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: a parachute, like, no, you're out on the entire organization.

1022
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: I was very climped. That's how I was very early, first,

1023
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: like five years maybe of Twitter, or three or four years,

1024
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: if someone sent one really bad tweet unfollowed, you're done.

1025
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: And then but then now you realize people can always

1026
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: refollow him. Sure you people get their feelings hurt, Things happen, stuff.

1027
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: They need their feelings hurt in this case, yeah they do.

1028
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: First of all, you can't even argue that Blake Bortles

1029
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: was that comparable this season. And you have more than

1030
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: one season to look at, You have a the entire

1031
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: decade to look at. For for Cam Newton, it's a ridiculous.

1032
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: Maybe like a young blogger, the one you really look

1033
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: one of these guys was the m v P within

1034
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: the last three years of the entire league. And then

1035
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: the other guy have one of the worst passing performances

1036
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: we've ever seen in a playoff game against the Bills.

1037
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: I would check out their mass to I mean, maybe

1038
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: there's like a Willoughby Bortles tucked away as like a

1039
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: like a late night blogger for them. But if you

1040
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: juxtapose Cam's game against the Saints with Blake Bortles game

1041
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: against and It's it gets pretty gnarly. It's stuff to

1042
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: imagine Blake in that Panther's game down at North Sorry,

1043
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: we had to do it. It's a tram It's a

1044
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: trash stake. I saw what they're going for. It turned

1045
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: out to be trashed confirmed, Yes, confirmed, trash unfollowed, literally unfollowed.

1046
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: That used to be the kind of the premise of

1047
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: this are you gonna are you gonna unfollow the person

1048
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: or you're gonna mute them? Or what this person is

1049
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: getting unfollowed by West West? What is your trash take?

1050
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: This comes from Peter King's column on Monday. Yeah, this

1051
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: is him paraphrasing. This is him paraphrasing, uh, sort of

1052
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: the negative surrounding, the perceived negative surrounding Josh Rosen. He's

1053
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: too smart for his own good. He's anti Trump, into politics,

1054
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: and cares a lot about the planet. Floriterneck quarterbacks need

1055
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: to be my opic football only. This is absurd and

1056
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: it's endemic to the NFL and the culture they have created.

1057
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: Could you possibly imagine an NBA GM worried that his

1058
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: top prospect might be anti Trump or care about the planet, Well,

1059
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: because the businesses like it's I I totally agree that

1060
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: that would be something I would not care about. But

1061
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: when you work for who most NFL owners are, I

1062
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: think most NFL owners proved to us this past season

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Speaker 1: that they are not looking for quarterbacks with super high

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00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 1: octane political takes. I agree with it. It's not probably

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00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: even how scouts feel. But scouts have to think about

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00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: the organization, their boss, and that's the problem. You don't

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00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: want a player to be too smart because if they're

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00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: dropping back into coverage and they're trying to read whether

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00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: it's covered two or cover three, and you start thinking

1070
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: about the planet, right, there's not enough time to react.

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00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: There's cyper planets. But wait, are we saying that that

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00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: there's no aspect to this where it's they're working for

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00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: typically very rich Republicans who run the entire share letting

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00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: Scouts and GM's off the hook. A lot of them

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00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: petically conservative and narrative. Maybe they are, but like a

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00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: lot of Scouts are also twenty three and on the

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00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: road eight months a year. I don't know what their

1078
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: political posts are, but less about politics, I think than

1079
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: just having other interests and intelligence that they almost are

1080
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: some threatened about by an after because opinions, NFL coaches

1081
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: don't really like challenges. They don't want to embrace a

1082
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: guy who's going to be a challenge. A guy like

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00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, who you know, his senior year in high

1084
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: school was out doing the same stuff that Peyton Manning

1085
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: was doing at the line of scrimmage and his coach

1086
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: said to him, you don't need to wear your intelligence

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00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: on your sleeve. And Josh Rosen said, you know what,

1088
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: I needed that ego check. And at several steps along

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00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: the way he's gotten ego checks, and he's smart enough

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00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: to put those two use and and I think there's

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00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: a nuance about Josh Rosen. There's a complexity about him

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00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: that a lot of NFL coaches who are just going

1093
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: along for the ride don't want They don't want to

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00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: deal with that complaint bring up that he can. And

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00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: this is another thing that I feel like has popped

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00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: up a lot um in the last couple of drafts,

1097
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 1: is that quarterback X, or even player X, but more

1098
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: quarterback X comes from a wealthy family so doesn't need

1099
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: football or has never needed football the same way that

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00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: someone else would. That also is an incredibly massive assumption

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00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: about the the complex chemistry that makes Josh Rosen. Who

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00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: he give me a break, They all Josh Rosen. It's

1103
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: like interview was great at the combine Baker Mayfield. Everyone

1104
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: had issues with all the All you heard was day two,

1105
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: day three that he loved Baker Mayfield behind the scenes

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00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: talking to him. So it's all trash on some level.

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00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean, well, Peyton Manning, he did grow up, you know,

1108
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: coming from the other side of the tracks. So I

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00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: think that there is some similarity between Rosen and Peyton Manning,

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00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: that they are both very intelligent, especially on the field.

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00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: Um it, Rosen is even smarter than Peyton Manning, probably

1112
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: by quite a bit. Um, but he's Peyton Manning is

1113
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: very um, single minded, driven about football being the center

1114
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: place of his life. And Josh Rosen seems to have

1115
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: more interest, which makes him a much more fascinating human

1116
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: being to me. But I can see how coaches might

1117
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: question that a little bit. I would say, if Josh,

1118
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: if if you're political or just general life ideology is

1119
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: so fragile that a year old uh working for your

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00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: team is going to cause issue with that, uh, then

1121
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: maybe you should reevaluate um the way that you look

1122
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: at the world. But I think Josh, as far as

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Speaker 1: the criticisms of Josh, you take out some you know,

1124
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: absurd things people have said about Lamar Jackson, like Josh

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00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: has really gotten hammered through this process for literally just

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00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: saying pretty basic mains like the idea that the planet

1127
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: that's exactly. And it does get me thinking, though. I

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Speaker 1: like that this this rookie class, I think is going

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00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: to add some spark to the league, which we could

1130
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: use that between him and Mayfield and then Josh Allen,

1131
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: who I think is just gonna cause reactions, and that's good.

1132
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: There's quarterbacks in the NFL that have to hide, the

1133
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: teams need to hide to keep people from asking them questions.

1134
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: I don't think you would ever need to hide. Josh

1135
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: Rosen from answering a difficult question. Well, he he refuses

1136
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: to be anyone else other than who he is, which

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00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: is admirable to me in a league where no but

1138
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: he says anything interesting. Right, And that said, we don't

1139
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: know him personally either, so it's like we're all just

1140
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: cleaning everyone else's facts and takes, and you know, you

1141
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: know him. I'm sure that's I'm sure that's accurate. What's

1142
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: his favorite football team? Anymore? Breaking news you have to

1143
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: you want to share with us? Dallas cat u c

1144
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: l a Brow At age twelve he was the number

1145
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: one ranked tennis player and all of the other Maybe

1146
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: you were friends with another thing we have in common.

1147
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: All right, we're running out of time. Trash steake final

1148
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: one Mine is not I I have a completely This

1149
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: just does not fit, nor is it nearly as deep

1150
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: and nuance does the is the previous one. I just

1151
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: simply it's more now what people are saying, but what

1152
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: they're doing. And it has to do with men who

1153
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: are still wearing neckties. I feel like it is. I am.

1154
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm really annoyed with men's fashion in general, and I've

1155
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: been thinking about this, talked a few people out about it.

1156
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: The combine and you're doing with your actions. You're saying, Oh,

1157
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: when I'm told I need to dress up for something,

1158
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: I go put a necktie on. And it's just it's

1159
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: a clothing item that has literally zero meaning at this

1160
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: point in our society anymore. It's not some tradition that

1161
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: most people even care or know where it came from.

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00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: It's personally something when you were a kid. Oh, you're

1163
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: going to a wedding, you're going to church, or it's

1164
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: time to dress up to go to Aunt Shelley's event,

1165
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: whatever she's doing. You have to put a tie on,

1166
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: and it's a clip on tie, and then we're gonna

1167
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: teach you how to tie a tie. No concept or

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00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: acknowledgement that it is one of the most stupid things

1169
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: that you could put on your body. It doesn't look good.

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00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: It looks I don't think it does. I am done

1171
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: with ties, and I think that I inspired this. I

1172
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: felt this way about men's clothing for ages, and I

1173
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: just think one of the things. Even even at NFL Network,

1174
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: I noticed it's like, oh, wait, you talk all we

1175
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: talk all week and we talk up here, but occasionally

1176
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: when they throw us when we've had to go down.

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00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, well, now you're going into this other

1178
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: room put on as a sports blazer in a tie,

1179
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: and now what is that saying that now suddenly your

1180
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: opinion has more to give, you have more to give.

1181
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: It's it's a construct. Blow it up, it's TV. I

1182
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: agree with everything except the fact that it doesn't look good.

1183
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: I think it does look They can look good occasionally,

1184
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: but I really just don't have the trash take society.

1185
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: I think no, bye by the actions that we still

1186
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: are like click in our mind. I'm going somewhere dressy,

1187
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: I must put a tie in or someone another man

1188
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: is telling me I have to wear a tie, and

1189
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: so I do it, Which is weird that it like

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00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: you're forty something years old and another grown human person

1191
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: is telling you what to put on. At this point,

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00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: the grown person is society, and it's like, don't we

1193
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: don't blood let anymore. There's plenty of things that we

1194
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: If an alien comes down and says, hey, why do

1195
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: you wear that tie? How am I going to rationalize

1196
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: this to this being that has I'm hiding? But yeah,

1197
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean you could get pretty deep into it clothes

1198
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: in general, but I don't know. But you gotta figure that.

1199
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's initially worn right if you I

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00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: believe West that when you say you like the way

1201
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: it looks, that you do, and that's why because you can.

1202
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: You've often said I'm not even going to the holiday

1203
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: party because I don't want to dress up. So you

1204
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: have you obviously don't bend to another person's fashion take.

1205
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: But I don't think that the majority of men who

1206
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: are in just in the habit of wearing ties do

1207
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: it because of a great urge they think it looks good.

1208
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: I do not, I think, unless that's I think many

1209
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: of them do it because they're told to. Yeah, I

1210
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: like it. I like either totally casual or like a suit.

1211
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: I hate when we're like in like a dress shirt

1212
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: and then I don't know, like it's all terrible. I'll

1213
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: say the reason that I wear a tie is I

1214
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: want to avoid fashion conversations that are critical of me,

1215
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: and so I wear a tie on air because I

1216
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 1: don't want somebody to ask me why I wasn't wearing

1217
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: a tie. That's that's literally there, I get it. That

1218
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: tells you the man is hovering ready to critique. That's

1219
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: our theme to the show. Well, we We live on

1220
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: the West coast, so we have it. We have it

1221
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: pretty good. The standards out here are much looser than

1222
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: they are in the Midwest or on the East coast. Well,

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01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad you know, much like Colleen not quite understand

1224
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: mean the rules of different segments marked through that out there.

1225
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: Because even though he didn't understand the rules, it was good.

1226
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: It was fired. Take all right. We will be back

1227
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: this week two more shows Wednesday and Friday. Uh. The

1228
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: franchise deadline is Tuesday, so we'll have some news coming

1229
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: out of that. We'll have some cuts. We'll see what

1230
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: else is happening. I don't know if Colleen has joined us.

1231
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: She's usually in on Wednesday, so hopefully she is. That

1232
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: would be good. But what a treat this was to

1233
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: have Claybon in the house. I missed you guys, all right,

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01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: see you guys, thanks for coming back, all right for

1235
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: Patrick Claiban, hit the music, Mark Sessler, uh, and Chris Wesley.

1236
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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal. See Wednesday, come on the work