1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Cider. Always a pleasure to be with you in studio. 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 2: There is so much this Trump indictment that needs to 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: be broken down. That's going to be the goal today 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: for people to understand this indictment. Let's walk through exactly 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: what they have charged Donald Trump with and also your 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: overview how serious is this in your opinion scale one 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: to ten. We've seen like in New York there was 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: not a lot of people worried about that indictment. They 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: thought it was frivolous, they thought it was kind of absurd. 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: Sachul limitations. There's gonna be a lot of problems in court. 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Is this different? 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 3: Well, the last podcast we did on Friday, we did 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 3: it right after news of the indictment broke, but the 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 3: indictment wasn't public. What has changed between then and now 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 3: is we now have the indictment so we can see 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 3: specifically what they brought. I will say now having reviewed 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: the specific indictment, it's pretty underwhelming. There's not a lot 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: of there there. We talked quite a bit before the 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 3: indictment about how it was extremely likely that the Department 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: of Justice was going to indict Donald Trump. That Merrick 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: Garland I believe wants to indict Donald Trump. I think 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 3: he came into office wanting to indict and to prosecute 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. But we also talked about the problem that 24 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 3: he couldn't just base it on the classified documents because 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: it so happened just that everyone else did the same 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: damn thing. And so we discussed on this podcast how 27 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: I believe they would really build their case as an 28 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: obstruction case. What's interesting is they did that, but the 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: bulk of the indictment focuses on the classified documents. So 30 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 3: if you look at the indictment, there are thirty seven 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: counts in the indictment. It starts with criminal offenses concerning 32 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: the willful retention of national defense information, with holding a 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: doctorument of record, corruptly concealing a document of record, concealing 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: a document in a federal investigation, a scheme to conceal, 35 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: and if you look at it, all right, so counts 36 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: one through thirty one to the bulk of the indictment 37 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 3: are multiple counts of willful retention of national defense information, 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: and by the text of it, the terms of that 39 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: crime are serious. Whoever having unauthorized possession, of access to, 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: or control over any document, writing codebooks, sign signal books, sketch, photograph, photographic, negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 3: or note relating to the national defense, or information relating 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 3: to the national defense, which information the possessor has reason 43 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: to believe could be used to the injury of the 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: United States or the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits, 45 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: or causes to be communicated, delivered to try transmitted, or 46 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: attempts to communicate, delivered or transmitted, or caused to be communicated, 47 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled 48 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 3: to receive it, or willfully retains the same, and fails 49 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: to deliver it to the officer employee of the United 50 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: States entitled to receive it, whoever being entrusted with or 51 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: having lawful possession of, or control of any document writing, codebooks, 52 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: signal book, sketched, photograph, photographic, negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, 53 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: or information relating to the national defense. Through gross negligence, 54 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: permits the same to be removed from its proper place 55 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: of custody, or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, 56 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or having 57 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: knowledge that the same has been illegally moved from its 58 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: proper place of custody, or delivered to anyone in violation 59 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: of its trust, or lost or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, 60 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, 61 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 3: or destruction to his superior officer. The consequence of all 62 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: of that is that you face a maximum fine of 63 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars an imprisonment of not 64 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: more than ten years, or both. Now the thirty one 65 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: counts of that. If those thirty one counts, if Trump 66 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: were convicted of it, and if they ran consecutively, he 67 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: could be sentenced to three hundred and ten years in prison. 68 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 3: Now on the face of that, all that sounds serious, Yeah, 69 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: except for the problem that this is a president of 70 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 3: the United States. This is a president of the United States, 71 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: and every president of the United States has taken papers 72 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: from his time as president that goes back, I suspect, 73 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: back to George Washington. This is a general statute that 74 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: if you or I are working in government, we have 75 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 3: a classified document and we shove them down our underwear. 76 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: Like Sandy Berger, who was the National Security Advisor to 77 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: Bill Clinton did. That's the kind of statute that can 78 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: be used to go after you. In this instance. The 79 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: press has been breathless about the allegation that Trump stored 80 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: classified documents in his bathroom, in his shower, and the 81 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: Biden Department of Justice Media Production office helpfully took a picture, 82 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: which they conveniently released to the world because this is 83 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: a media production. And I say that tongue in cheek. 84 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 3: It should not be a media production. But they are 85 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: engaged in politics here. We've all seen the picture of 86 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: the boxes stacked up in the marble bathroom with the chandelier, 87 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 3: and there's something titillating about that. That's an odd place 88 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: to store classified documents in a shower. Although I have 89 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 3: to ask you something. Number one, every president has taken records. 90 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: So just saying, oh, if you have a national security record, 91 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 3: you're obviously a felon. Well, if we're going to lock 92 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: up all our former presidents, you know, I'm not sure 93 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter is going to last long in doing hard time. 94 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: Bill Clinton, on the other hand, could do quite well 95 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: behind bars. But secondly, okay, fine, you've got an embarrassing 96 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: place for documents to be which is a bathroom and shower. 97 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: Is that any more embarrassing than in a cardboard box 98 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 3: in a garage next to an antique corvette. Yeah, that 99 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: would be where Joe Biden kept his documents. 100 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: Or classified documents on his server, in Hillary Clinton's basement, 101 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: her bathroom. 102 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, the biggest problem the 103 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 3: Department of Justice has is the screaming hypocrisy. This breathlessly says, 104 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: my god, he had a classified document off with his head. 105 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: And it doesn't say a word about why. They have 106 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: no concerns at all about Joe Biden about all of 107 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 3: the documents he had, not in one place, not in 108 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: two places, multiple places, left with no security, left stacked 109 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: in the garage, unlocked garage. This is so obviously a 110 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: double standard. This is a double standard driven by a 111 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: Department of Justice that's blinded by hatred. I think they've 112 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: convinced themselves that Trump actually is Adolf Hitler, and so 113 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: nothing else matters. If you're going after Hitler, everything is 114 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: justified and well, yes, Joe Biden did the same thing, 115 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: well yes Hillary Clinton did the same thing. But they're 116 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: not Hitler. This is how they're thinking goes, They're not Hitler. 117 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: So it's fine. We like them. They're on our team, 118 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 3: so it's not a crime if they do it. But boy, 119 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: isn't this a good excuse to go after the devil? 120 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: Looking at this indictment, I think the same thing today 121 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: that I thought last week when it was announced. This 122 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: is garbage. It's not the same kind of garbage that 123 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: Alvin Bragg's New York indictment is. That's just legally frivolous. 124 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: It's legally frivolous. On the face of it, It's. 125 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: Go to one to ten. How concerned are you over 126 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: that indictment? One ten? 127 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: The brag one? Yeah, one point five? 128 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: And what about this one? 129 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: Four point five? 130 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: What's the biggest difference in. 131 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: There are several things. Number one, this is the Department 132 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: of Justice. 133 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: Unlimited funds, unlimited lawyers, unlimited time. 134 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: When the Department of Justice comes after you, it is 135 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: a lot more serious. It just is DOJ has resources, 136 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: has power, It has the ability to devote massive resources 137 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: and typically far more talented prosecutors than Alvin Bragg has 138 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 3: at his disposal. Alvin Bragg, on the face of it, 139 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: the indictment is really reaching. It's trying to create crimes 140 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: where none exists in this instance. What they allege is 141 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: arguably criminal for someone who's not the president of the 142 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: United States. The problem with it is the double standard 143 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: and the political persecution, rather than whether or not this 144 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: is in fact a violation of law. The pundits on 145 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: CNN will all say, ah, they've shown a violation of law. 146 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: My response is great, Explain to me, why if you 147 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: want to prosecute Trump, are he and Biden going to 148 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: be cell mates? If you bring twin prosecutions for the 149 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: same thing and put Hillary in, have the three of 150 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 3: them you want to prosecute all three of them. We 151 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: can talk about that. Now. That would be absurd, sure, 152 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: but that would at least be consistent to say, okay, 153 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: any of you who had a classified document, we're going 154 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: to prosecute all of you, all right, that I could 155 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: understand this is so serious, off with all their heads. 156 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: But that's not what they're saying with zero explanation. 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And it's in Florida. Some you have 196 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: asked a question, why is it in Florida? Why didn't 197 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 2: it happen somewhere else? How did they pick Florida and 198 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: what will that look like? 199 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: Well, they picked Florida because they allege that's where the 200 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: crimes occurred, that they occurred at mar Lago. That that's 201 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: where Trump, they alleged, illegally stored the classified documents. That's 202 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: where he refused to turn over the classified documents. That's 203 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: where they allege he engaged in obstruction of justice, and 204 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: so you bring the crime where the alleged crime. You 205 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 3: bring the case where the alleged crime occurred. Look, I 206 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: think being in Florida is better than being in d C. 207 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: If this goes to a jury trial, Trump is likely 208 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: to get a more fair jury in Florida than he 209 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: would in d C. D C would be hopelessly stacked 210 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: against him. You know, looking at this indictment, the double 211 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: standard is a massive problem for DOJ and right now 212 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: Merrick Garland and Jack Smith have done nothing to address this. 213 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: That being said, the obstruction claims are where the greatest 214 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 3: legal peril is. But let's start on the double standard. 215 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: Listen to Jack Smith when he's laying out this indictment, 216 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: and listen to what he has to say. 217 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: Today, an indict moves unsealed, charging Donald J. Trump with 218 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: felony violations of our national security laws, as well as 219 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 4: participating in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. This indictment was 220 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 4: voted by a grand jury of citizens in the Southern 221 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 4: District of Florida, and I invite everyone to read it 222 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 4: in full to understand the scope and the gravity of 223 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 4: the crimes charged. The men and women of the United 224 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: States Intelligence Community and our armed forces dedicate their lives 225 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: to protecting our nation and its people. Are laws that 226 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: protect national defense information are critical to the safe and 227 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 4: security of the United States, and they. 228 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: Must be enforced. 229 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 4: Violations of those laws put our country at risk. Adherence 230 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 4: to the rule of law is a bedrock principle of 231 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 4: the Department of Justice, and our nation's commitment to the 232 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 4: rule of law sets an example for the world. We 233 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 4: have one set of laws in this country and they 234 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 4: apply to everyone applying those laws, collecting facts. That's what 235 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 4: determines the outcome of an investigation, nothing more and nothing less. 236 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: So those remarks literally need a laugh track. Yeah, like 237 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: a studio audience would start laughing at that, because he 238 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: could give the exact same speech substituting the word Joe 239 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: Biden for the word Donald Trump. Yeah, he could give 240 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: the exact same speech substituting Hillary Clinton for Donald Trump. Now, 241 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: obviously he's not why because they like those guys, they're 242 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: on the team, and so all the moralizing we have 243 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: one set of laws for all people who are enemies 244 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: of the White House. 245 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: Why it's propaganda. 246 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: It is demonstrably absurd. I'm actually he's a pretty good actor. 247 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: I'm impressed that he said that with a strange face 248 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: like like that you stand up and say, oh, we 249 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 3: apply this fairly and uniformly to everyone, as long as 250 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: we don't like you. 251 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 252 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: It's like, well, if that's true, then why isn't the 253 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: Special Counsel having a press conference right now with Joe 254 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: Biden and the classification of documents? 255 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: Classified documents? Hey at his house next to his corvette. 256 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: Do you expect that will put any pressure on them 257 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: now to have the same press conference? 258 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: No, we're not going to. I think they're shameless. I 259 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: think they're so bought in that they don't care that 260 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: they believe they are hunting the devil. They're hunting Hitler, 261 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: and everything has justified the name of it now where 262 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: the legal exposure is more significant concerns obstruction of justice. 263 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: And we talked about this before that that if they're 264 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: going to distinguish Trump from Biden, their best talking point 265 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: as well, once it was discovered, Biden handed it over. 266 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: Trump didn't. So that's why it's different. And I will 267 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: say in the indictment there are two exchanges that are 268 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: not great that we're going to hear about a lot 269 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: on the TV. 270 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: So prepare for it. 271 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: Prepare for it if there are if there's a trial, 272 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: we will hear about it on trial. One exchange is 273 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: this was caught on tape where he's talking about the documents, 274 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: and Trump says, quote, all sorts of stuff, pages long. 275 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, let's see here I just found. Isn't 276 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: it amazing? This totally wins my case, except it's like 277 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: highly confidential secret. This is secret information. Look look at this, 278 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: he points out. In another section of the transcript, he said, 279 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 3: you know, when I was president, I could declassify this, 280 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: but I can't now, And a Trump aid on the 281 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 3: tape says that's a problem. That exchange will be played 282 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: in court as evidence of wilfulness. What Biden would argue 283 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: is that he didn't know he had the documents, that 284 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 3: he wasn't aware, that he didn't willfully violate the statute. 285 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: And once he found out he had them, he gave 286 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: them back. 287 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 3: And Biden will argue then that he didn't obstruct. There's 288 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 3: another portion of testimony from Trump's former lawyer, who says Trump, 289 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 3: in responding to the subpoena, advised his two attorneys, and 290 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 3: he was talking about Hillary Clinton's lawyer and he says, quote, 291 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: he was great. He did a great job. You know 292 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 3: what he said. He said that it was him that 293 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 3: he was the one who deleted all her emails, the 294 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 3: thirty thousand emails, because they basically dealt with her scheduling 295 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: or going to the gym and are having beauty appointments. 296 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 3: And he was great, and he and she didn't get 297 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 3: into any trouble because he said he was the one 298 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 3: who deleted them. And according to Trump's lawyers, he said 299 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: that several times during the day. Quote related that story 300 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 3: more than once during that day. Now, look on obstruction, 301 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton is someone else who engaged I believe in 302 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: obstruction of justice, who engaged in the willful destruction of evidence, 303 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: who deleted thirty thousand emails, who used bleach bit to 304 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 3: erase the evidence of it, who use hammers to smash 305 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 3: cell phones. Yeah, Hillary Clinton's conduct is serious. This DOJ 306 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: happily ignores it because she's on the team and they're 307 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 3: on her team. 308 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: The argument, I'm sure is gonna be I was joking. 309 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: I was talking about the double standard of Hillary Clinton 310 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: with that play in court, in that kind of say, 311 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: I'm clearly talking about how ridiculous this subpoena. Is I'm 312 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: talking about how absurd it is. They're coming after me 313 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: wanting all these documents. Hillary Clinton, this is what she 314 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: was doing and know one bad than I. So I 315 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: was remarking on that. 316 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: He might presumably that is what he would say. There's 317 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: another portion from his lawyers where they said that Trump 318 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 3: suggested that they just pluck out the classified documents. The 319 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 3: prosecution will argue that the jury should conclude from that 320 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: that Trump was instructing them to destroy evidence in violation 321 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 3: of a subpoena. I want to be clear, I think 322 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: all of this is garbage. But look, when you're representing 323 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: a client, it helps when a client speaks carefully and precisely. 324 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: So how does this play in court? 325 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: I mean, we saw that he called for an expedited 326 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 2: he wants to move quickly with this going to a trial. 327 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: How much say so does a DOJ have in that? 328 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: Who ultimately will decide? How are they going to choose 329 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: the judge? 330 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: Here? 331 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: Which court does this go to? And we're we going 332 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 2: to watch this on TV like we watched OJ Simpson. 333 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: Is the whole world going to stop and we're going 334 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: to see cameras? And is Trump gonna have to be 335 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: there every day, sitting there as a defendant at that table. 336 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: Look, that is certainly possible. This could proceed quickly. I 337 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: think it's likely to take a long time. It's going 338 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: to take in a minimum months, it could take years. 339 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: Part of it depends on what the pre trial motions are, 340 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 3: what litigation arises out of trying to exclude evidence. They 341 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 3: are all sorts of preach trial steps that could delay 342 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: a trial for years. It's possible we see a trial quickly. 343 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: I think that's pretty unlikely. But it depends on the 344 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: initial reporting. Is this was assigned to Judge Eileen Cannon, 345 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: who is a judge that Trump appointed. Assuming that's true, 346 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: that's a good development for him, not to have a 347 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: judge who is predisposed to be antagonistic and hostile to him. 348 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 2: Can the DOJ immediately say, well, he appointed her, so 349 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: she should be taken out of this, out of the 350 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 2: courtroom for this, we win another judge. Is that something 351 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: they could fight for. 352 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: They could try to do that. I don't think that 353 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: motion would succeed. 354 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: Is that because most people think, well, it'd be simple 355 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: to say, hey, this woman's biased. 356 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: He appointed her legally. How does that work. 357 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: So instead you should have a judge that was appointed 358 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: by Biden and to be biased against him. Look, we're 359 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 3: in untreaded territory. Yeah, because no Department of Justice has 360 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 3: ever prosecuted a president before, so we've got reason we 361 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: haven't been in this circumstance before. I think as a 362 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: matter of law, it is not the case that every 363 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: judge appointed by a president is naturally biased to be 364 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 3: predisposed to support that president. Particularly with district court nominations. 365 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 3: You often see instances where Republicans appoint district judges who 366 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 3: the Democrat senators in that state pushed, who can be very, 367 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: very liberal. You see case instances where Democrats appoint district 368 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: judges where you have particularly Republican senators from those states, 369 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: where the judges are relatively conservative. And so as a 370 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 3: legal matter, it's not a straight up proxy that whoever 371 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 3: appointed the judge, they're just a partisan for that that president. 372 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 3: And by the way, they're not supposed to be They're 373 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: supposed to be fair and impartial. The overwhelming problem here 374 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 3: is the obvious double standard. And here listen to Trump 375 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 3: explaining and actually explaining quite accurately, the double standard. 376 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 5: Every time I fly over a blue state, I get 377 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 5: a subpoena. It's no coincidence they indicted me the very 378 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 5: same day that it was revealed that the FBI hit 379 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 5: explosive evidence that Joe Biden took a five million dollar 380 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 5: illegal bribe from Ukraine. Next Hunter will probably be charged 381 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 5: with some very minor offense so that the FBI and 382 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 5: dooj can pretend that they're fair. They want to pretend 383 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 5: they're fair. 384 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: We got Hunter for jaywalking. 385 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 5: As far as it's the joke of an indictment, it's 386 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 5: a horrible thing. It's a horrible thing for this country. 387 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 5: I mean, the only good thing about it is it's 388 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 5: driven my poll number's way up. 389 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: Can you believe there? So I will say that right there, 390 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: that legal analysis is exactly spot on. What's interesting is 391 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 3: a lot of what Trump is saying there is what 392 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 3: we've been saying on Verdict for months. Yeah, with regard 393 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 3: to Hunter Biden, I believe they're going to indict Hunter Biden. 394 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 3: I think they'll do it soon, and it may not 395 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: be for jaywalking, but it's going to be for something 396 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 3: personal and small that can be explained. He's a poor, 397 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 3: troubled soul with a substance abuse problem. 398 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: It doesn't connect him to his father. 399 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 3: That's the critical point. Build that wall to protect Joe 400 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: Biden and just make Hunter Biden the scapegoat. And that's 401 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: going to let Jack Smith, that's going to let Merrick 402 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: Garland say, look, how even handed we are. We indicted 403 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: a Trump and A Biden's sea were fair and nobody 404 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: who's paying attention at all will buy that. But for 405 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 3: some people who are not paying attention, that may sound persuasive. 406 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 3: Look the point Trump made also there was really important, 407 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: which is this indictment came literally the day that we 408 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: learned that there's an informant, an informant that the FBI 409 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: has relied upon, an informant that the FBI has trusted 410 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 3: in previous cases, who came forward and alleged that Joe 411 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: Biden received a five million dollar bribe from Barisma, the 412 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: Ukrainian natural gas company that was paying Hunter Biden a 413 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: million dollars a year, and that we know Joe Biden 414 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 3: took official acts to benefit. He bragged the infamous Son 415 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 3: of a Bitch exchange, He bragged about holding a billion 416 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: dollars an American aid hostage to force Ukraine to fire 417 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: the prosecutor who was going after the corrupt oligarch who 418 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: owned Barisma. So if you look at bribery, you need 419 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: to quit pro quo. We know there's a quote. We 420 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 3: know that Joe Biden took official action that benefited Bearisma. 421 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 3: If in fact he deposited five million dollars from Barisma, 422 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: Joe Biden should be charged and prosecuted for bribery. To 423 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: be honest, that is the most grave allegation against a 424 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 3: president that we've seen in our lifetimes. That is literally 425 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 3: being on the take and being bribed. It's like abscam. 426 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 3: It's showing up with a paper bag full of cash. 427 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 3: Here's the favor we want. Will you do it? If 428 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: it is correct, and by the way, it may be false. 429 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 3: This is at this point an allegation from an anonymous 430 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 3: informant to the FBI that the FBI is trying mighty 431 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: lead a stone wall and cover up. If it's false, 432 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 3: then Joe Biden not a clear his name. If it's false, 433 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: Joe Biden not to say release it, bring the witness forward, 434 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 3: hav him testify. Joe Biden should be angry. I am 435 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: angry that you are impugning my character by saying I 436 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 3: took a bribe. The fact that he's not doing that, 437 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: that he says where's the money? That is incredibly troubling 438 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 3: in the fact that it's literally the same day. Look, 439 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: these are the same goons that sent the irs to 440 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 3: Matt Taebe's house the day he was testifying in front 441 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 3: of the House of Representatives on Twitter censorship at the 442 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 3: behest of the federal government. Jack booted thugs behave this way. Yeah, 443 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 3: this is not behavior that demonstrates integrity, that demonstrates respect 444 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: for law, that demonstrates all those great things Jack Smith 445 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 3: talks about the speech. 446 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: Say it all you want to, but it's just not true. 447 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: And the proof is the fact they're coming after him 448 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: for everything, and everyone else gets to walk around and 449 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: even like we heard, there was. 450 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 3: By the way, to any reporter, look, there are no 451 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 3: reporters who actually do their jobs any more in the 452 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: corporate media. But to any reporter, the next time you 453 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: talk to any Democrat senator, ask the following question, if 454 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 3: it has proven true that Joe Biden received a five 455 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 3: million dollar bribe personally from Ukraine in exchange for government policy, 456 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: should he be impeach Yes or no? I don't think 457 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 3: any reporter will ask a Democrat senator that question. I 458 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: will say, for a Democrat senator, I don't know how 459 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 3: the heck they'd answer it, because they'd backpedal and they'd 460 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: think hypotheticalsals. Yeah, look, that's easy. Anyone who is convicted 461 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: of bribery, who's guilty of bribery, yes, they should be 462 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: in peached. And it doesn't have to be a high 463 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: crime or misdemeanor. Remember the Constitution said bribery trees and 464 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: are other high crimes and misdemeanors. Bribery is explicitly laid 465 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: out if you have a corrupt public servant who was 466 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: on the take. That is why impeachment exists. If Joe 467 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 3: Biden received five million dollars from Maurisma, Joe Biden I 468 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: go to prison. 469 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: And that five million is separate from the five million 470 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 2: his Sun got. A lot of people in the media 471 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: have not covered that at all. This isn't five million 472 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: that went into a bunch of bank accounts divided up 473 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: the allegation, right, Joe directly five million and Hunter got 474 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: another five million. 475 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's five He got a million 476 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: a year over several years. 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I got to ask you a 508 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: question about election interference here the idea of a presidential 509 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: front runner having to go to court, having to go 510 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: into a jury trial. This charade, which I would say 511 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: is probably gonna be bigger than the oj Simpson trial 512 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 2: in all reality, especially if we get to watch it, 513 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: is that its on its face not election interference. That 514 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: you're trying to put a guy at a defense table 515 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: and you know, and tie him up in courts. 516 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: I would assume this court case could last. 517 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: Weeks, if not months, easily, while he's also trying to 518 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 2: leave and go run for president at the very same time. 519 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: How I mean for Democrats to obsessed election interference in 520 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: Russian collusion, which was a lie and they knew it 521 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: was a lie. But this is actual election interference, is 522 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: it not? 523 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 3: Of course it is, and it's blatant and in your face. 524 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 3: That's why the Department of Justice has standards that that 525 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 3: that it does not typically bring a prosecution on the 526 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 3: eve of a campaign, to not interfere with the campaign. 527 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 3: It's why the standard should be exceptionally high for when 528 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 3: you would prosecute a former president or a candidate for president. 529 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 3: Doesn't mean it should never be met. It just means 530 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 3: it should be exceptionally high. Now, look, Jack Smith has 531 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 3: some experience in this. Jack Smith prosecuted Bob McDonald was 532 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: the governor of Virginia. He brought the case against Bob 533 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: McDonald and, by the way, McDonald at the time was 534 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 3: a plausible candidate for president. He wasn't a front runner, 535 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: but he was one of the plausible candidates for president. 536 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 3: He was governor of Virginia at the time. He was 537 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 3: popular in Virginia. Jack Smith brought a case, he got 538 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 3: a conviction, conviction went to the US Supreme Court, and 539 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court unanimously vacated the conviction, threw it out, 540 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 3: concluded it was contrary to law. Now the damage was done. 541 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 3: You know what Jack Smith had interfered in that election. 542 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 3: He had accomplished the real purpose. 543 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: And ear in a man's life and changed the outcome 544 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: of election, and he. 545 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: Has charge yes, and the Supreme Court unanimously threw it out. 546 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 3: But they threw it out years later, when all the 547 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: damage had been done. For a president to be indicted, 548 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 3: the threshold should be exceptionally high. It shouldn't be jaywalking. 549 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 3: It shouldn't be keeping books that wrongfully reflects how hush 550 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 3: money was paid, as Alvin Smith has in his ridiculous indictment, 551 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 3: and it shouldn't be possessing presidential records just like every 552 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 3: other president has done. The threshold needs to be significant 553 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 3: because there's an obligation to respect the electoral process. There's 554 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 3: an obligation to respect democracy. This indictment shows contempt for democracy. 555 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 3: They're not indicting him because they think he's going to 556 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 3: lose the election in November. They're indicting him because they're 557 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: afraid he's going to win the election in November. That 558 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 3: means they are perfectly happy to say, we have power, 559 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 3: and we're going to use power to stop the damn 560 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 3: voters from putting someone we don't want into the White House. 561 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 2: Same thing they try to do in twenty sixteen. Yes one, Yes, 562 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 2: we're going to overthrow the will of the people. We're 563 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 2: going to use documents we know aren't real. 564 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 3: And it's what doj and FBI did throughout the Trump 565 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 3: presidency from within the date deep state. They waged war 566 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 3: on him. They're now doing it openly and brazenly at 567 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: press conferences. And this is designed to be politics. I'll 568 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: tell you the kind of allegation that would merit this. 569 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 3: If you have an allegation that Donald Trump received a 570 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 3: five million dollar bribe from Ukraine or China or anyone else, 571 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 3: and you can demonstrate that he received the bride in 572 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 3: exchange for official conduct, that's the kind of case that 573 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: should be brought. But they don't have that allegation. They 574 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,479 Speaker 3: don't have that evidence. They do have the allegation about 575 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 3: Joe Biden. That is the type of crime that would 576 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: clear the threshold for what should be brought against a 577 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: president or a former president or a major presidential candidate. 578 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 3: The irony is they announce this political persecution on the 579 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: same day that news breaks about Joe Biden. It's not 580 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 3: complicated to understand the magic act going on, paying no 581 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 3: attention to what's over here, watch over here, watch the 582 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 3: fuzzy rabbit. 583 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 2: The insane part of this conversation is this is all 584 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: could happen this trial before we vote? What if it 585 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 2: is delayed till after What if, hypothetically Donald Trump wins 586 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 2: the primary and then it's the general and then they say, okay, 587 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: now we're going to go to a court case. Or 588 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 2: even worse, what if he wins the general he's now 589 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 2: the president of the United States of America. Could they 590 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 2: haul him down to Florida for a jury trial and 591 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: you could see the President of the United States of America, Well, 592 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 2: he's supposed to be doing the job at the White House, 593 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 2: sitting on a jury trial. 594 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: What happens then. 595 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: So we're in an uncharted territory. Then the Department of 596 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 3: Justice has an existing legal opinion from the Office Legal 597 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 3: Council that says that DOJ will not indict a sitting president. 598 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: But they've already indicted him and he's not the sitting president. 599 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 3: That's why you're getting into uncharted legal territory. I don't 600 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 3: know what DOJ would conclude if he's already been indicted 601 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 3: and the trial is proceeding. 602 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: I can't even believe we're having this conversation. 603 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 3: So insane, it would be utterly insane. The fact that 604 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 3: he's indicted as a legal matter, does nothing to prevent 605 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 3: him from running for office, doesn't disqualify him from the ballot, 606 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 3: doesn't make him ineligible. You can be indicted. Sadly, left 607 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 3: uses indictments as political weapons quite frequently. You could even 608 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 3: end up with his being convicted. I don't think that's 609 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 3: gonna happen. But if he were convicted and sentenced to jail, 610 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 3: he's still not ineligible to be president. Being convicted of 611 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 3: a crime does not remove your eligibility to be president. 612 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 3: I don't think we will see that scenario because much 613 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 3: like the Bob McDonald case that Jack Smith brought, I mean, 614 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 3: they literally brought in a guy who had been engaged 615 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 3: in political prosecutions before that were absolute failed disasters. They 616 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 3: brought him in and said, hey, can you come do 617 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 3: it again? 618 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: Unanimous failure by the Supreme Court standards. 619 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 3: Yes, and unanimous means including the lefty justices right like 620 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 3: the justice is appointed by Democrats on the far left. 621 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 3: All of them agreed, no, this, this conviction cannot stand. 622 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: So you could have a president that is convicted and 623 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 2: it could work its way all the way up to 624 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. 625 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 626 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: So then the other question if he is the president. 627 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 3: And by the way, that's why Gerald Ford pardon Richard Nixon. 628 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 3: We might have found this out. Richard Nixon, I believe 629 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 3: committed multiple crimes. As you know. I write about this 630 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 3: at length in my last book, Justice Corrupted, How the 631 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 3: Left has weaponized the legal system. The whole first chapter 632 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 3: walks through the criminal conduct of the Nixon White House, 633 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 3: of the Nixon Department of Justice, and in many ways 634 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 3: Barack Obama succeeded in doing what Nixon tried to do, 635 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 3: and now Biden does so openly and brazenly. But after 636 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 3: Nixon resigned in disgrace, there was a very real possibility 637 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 3: he would be prosecuted. John Mitchell is Attorney General, was 638 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 3: prosecuted and served I think twenty two months in jail. 639 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 3: If Nixon had been prosecuted, the scenario you're talking about 640 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 3: of the entire country watching TV like the oj trial 641 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 3: and seeing the present dragged through this garbage, it would 642 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 3: have been a nightmare. And it's why Gerald Ford stepped 643 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 3: forward and pardoned him. And I think pardoning him was 644 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 3: an act of real courage because it probably single handedly 645 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 3: ensured that Ford would lose the election and Jimmy Carter 646 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 3: would be elected, and he knew that. He knew that 647 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 3: when he was signing the pardon, he was likely dooming 648 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 3: his own election to be president, that he was going 649 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 3: to cost himself the job he was in. But he 650 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 3: did it, I believe, because he believed it was better 651 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 3: for the country to spare the country the nightmare of 652 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 3: the president going through an extended criminal trial. We've come 653 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 3: a long way from that moment to now Biden and 654 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 3: Merrick Garland and Jack Smith gleefully hoping and praying they 655 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 3: can drag the country through a criminal trial directed at 656 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 3: the former president and a leading candidate to be the 657 00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 3: next president. 658 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: Can a president, a sitting president, pardon himself. 659 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 3: That is an unclear question. Also, it has been debated. 660 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 3: There are differing views. History has never tested it. Uh 661 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 3: and uh who knows. We may find out if Joe 662 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: Biden decides to pardon himself for taking a five million 663 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 3: dollar bribe, that he could do. 664 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,240 Speaker 1: He could Uh. 665 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 3: Probably, As I said, it's untested, he could try. He 666 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 3: could certainly try. I'll point out that if Joe Biden 667 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 3: were to pardon himself for taking a five million dollar bribe, 668 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 3: even the tiny at times not very reliable House majority 669 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 3: in the House would be forced to impeach him. 670 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 2: Then what about his son? They indict Hunter Biden, Hunter 671 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 2: Biden gets some indictments to come down. Can you just 672 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 2: say it's my son, I love him, he's the smartest 673 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: guy I know. 674 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: Yes, and impeach him. And is that something the House 675 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: could do teach? 676 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 3: I mean he can pardon Hunter, Yes, he can, unquestion 677 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 3: pardon Hunter of federal offenses. He can't pardon him of 678 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 3: state offenses. So there may be state offenses in addition 679 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 3: to federal offenses. I will say, if he were to 680 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 3: pardon Hunter in a way that was pardoning him of 681 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 3: corruption that involved corruption implicating Joe Biden, you're getting into 682 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 3: murky legal territory here. But that is the sort of 683 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 3: thing that the Democrats for years said concerning Donald Trump 684 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 3: was obstruction of justice. That when Trump talked about pardoning 685 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 3: different players, they argue that substruction of justice if you 686 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 3: use the pardon power to prevent our investigation. If Joe 687 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 3: Biden were to do that for Hunter in such a 688 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 3: way as to block or to try to block investigation 689 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,720 Speaker 3: into Joe Biden's own corruption, that could be arguably characterized 690 00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,720 Speaker 3: as Obstruction of Justice by Joe Biden. 691 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 2: I got one more question, want to ask you about 692 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 2: the political campaign. Before we do that, let me tell 693 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 2: you about our friends at Chalk. 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But in a primary, 723 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 2: it seems like when they do this, he raised more money. Yeah, 724 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 2: and more people are like, all right, you know what, 725 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 2: screw it. The system's rigged, and I'm going to stand 726 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 2: by someone that's being persecuted by the Democratic Party, by 727 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,240 Speaker 2: the DOJ of this and this administration of Joe Biden. 728 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 3: Look, that's clearly playing out. When Alvin Bragg brought his indictment, 729 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 3: I said on this podcast, this will be worth ten 730 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 3: points in the polls for Trump. That prediction proved exactly right, 731 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,760 Speaker 3: and within a week he was up ten. In this instance, 732 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 3: this latest indictment, I think it probably will prove good 733 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 3: for Trump in the polls, particularly in the primary. Yeah, 734 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. In the general. Democrats are hoping this 735 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 3: will hurt Trump in the general, and it might. I 736 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 3: think the data are unclear right now in terms of 737 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 3: how it would impact him in the general. But in 738 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 3: the primary. Look, if you're a Republican, whether you like 739 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 3: Trump or don't like Trump, you look at this and 740 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 3: this is such obvious garbage. It's such a double standard. 741 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 3: You see virtually all of Trump's opponents in the primary 742 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 3: being forced to go defend him. Yeah, because it's such 743 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 3: an obvious double standard that you can't you can't credibly 744 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 3: say anything else. Look, they don't like defending Trump. His 745 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 3: opponents don't like it at all. It pisces them off 746 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 3: that they have to go out on TV and defend him. 747 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,919 Speaker 3: But that dynamic and listen, at least with Brad. More 748 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 3: than a few observers have suggested that was one of 749 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 3: the reasons Bragg brought the indictment was that he wants 750 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 3: Trump to be the nominee. The Democrats believe Trump cannot 751 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 3: win the general, and so they're quite open about their strategy. 752 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 3: Do everything they can. 753 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: To give him the nominee, and then we'll beat him 754 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 1: in the general. 755 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 3: Right with a candidate who can't tie his shoes, who 756 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 3: will lock in the basement and will never let speak, 757 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 3: but will run a whole campaign on how much we 758 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 3: hate Donald Trump, and so that dynamic. I suspect it 759 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 3: will continue to play out this way. I don't think 760 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 3: you'll see the same bump from this indictment that you 761 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 3: saw from the Alvin Bragg indictment, mostly because I think 762 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 3: that it. 763 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 1: Just solidifies the base, it doesn't expand it. 764 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 3: This yeah, I think that distance has already been traveled, 765 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 3: that the people who popped up because of the Brag 766 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,359 Speaker 3: thing they're still there. They're still there. But I think 767 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 3: as a short term political matter for Trump is a 768 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 3: good development. Longer term, that's that's murkier to figure out. 769 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting. 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