1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from house 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: Actively in Chalk Reporting and I'm Scared Out and Sarah 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: and Kristen recently talked about the history of Halloween and 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: one of the most well known traditions associated with it, 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: that's trick or treating, But of course there are some 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: other traditions that also go hand in hand with Halloween. Legends, 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: ghost stories, and haunted houses were the ones that I 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: had in mind in particular, so essentially the tradition of 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: scaring the poop out of ourselves. And I'm the biggest 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: whimp personally when it comes to scary stuff. I don't 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: know why, but we all seem to kind of enjoy that, 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: even I do once in a while, even though I'm 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: a really big whimp about scary stuff. I mean, I 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: can't even watch those commercials for scary movies. I can't 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: even know that they're on. If I know that they're on, 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: then I'll scar leave the room. If you if you 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: have a scary movie, I mean, if you hear the 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: noise or something, I mean, your imagination just starts working, 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: I guess, and and scares you to death. But even 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: I have enjoyed a good haunted house or ghost story 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: or two. How about you. It's been a while since 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: I've been to one of those real haunted houses, but yeah, 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: they're fun. You know, everybody has traumatic memories of being 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: chased by the guy with the chainsaw or something. Would 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: you have a strategy, a strategy for for escape? Yeah, 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: you have to have a strategy when you go into 28 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: these things, Sarah, move past those people quickly, they'll move 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: on to the people in line behind you. The run 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: straight through is definitely a strategy. There's also the hold 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: on tight whoever's around you, like trying to get in 32 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: the middle. There's also the throw your friend at the 33 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: scary thing and then run a sess. That's one of 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: my favorites. Yeah, okay, note to self, don't go to 35 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: a haunted house with DUBLINO. Then. But these haunted houses 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: that are set up to entertain people around Halloween, commercial 37 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: haunted houses, I guess are sometimes based around spooky legends 38 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: or stories, usually fake ones. But the the house we're 39 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: going to talk about in today's podcast, which is often 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: called the most haunted house in America, has a story 41 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: behind it with characters and at least some events that 42 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: were very, very real. And the woman at the center 43 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: of this tale is named Murray Delphine la Louri, and 44 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: often she's simply known as Madame La Louri or even 45 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: mad Madame La Louri, which is a little hard to 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: say quickly. But if you've ever taken one of those 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: Haunted New Orleans tours, which I have not. I've been 48 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: to New Orleans a few times, but I haven't haven't 49 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: gotten to go on one of these yet, you've probably 50 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: heard her name. I mean, we've heard, We've heard so 51 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: many suggestions from listeners who have taken tours like that, 52 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: and that's really saying something if you think about it, 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: because it is, after all, New Orleans we're talking about. 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: There are so many famous people associated with that city, right, 55 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: and it's all been considered one of the most haunted 56 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: cities in America, if not the most haunted city in America. 57 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: But geography aside, it's tough to ignore a story like 58 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: Delphine la LOI use. It involves the distinct torture, cold 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: blooded murder, botched medical experiments, hauntings, and even a curse. 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: Like a lot of stories we tell, though it's tough 61 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: to tell fact from myth, and this one, the story 62 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: that's generally circulated today in two thousand twelve, isn't exactly 63 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: one verifiable, and many details have changed since the years 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: directly following the events which took place in the mid 65 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds or so, suggesting that the tale has been 66 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: exaggerated and embellished upon along the way. But we're not 67 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: going to start by debunking everything. I mean, what kind 68 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: of Halloween podcast would this be if we didn't try to, 69 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: at least at the beginning, speaking out a little bit. 70 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: So to that end, let us begin with a legend, 71 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: that of mad Madame Lo Louri. It begins, for our purposes, 72 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: at least in the early eighteen thirties, in New Orleans, 73 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: a prominent and beautiful Creole woman named Marie Delphine la 74 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Lorrie and her husband, a French physician named Louis Lallery, 75 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: by a home at eleven forty Royal Street in the 76 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: French Quarter and move in with her daughters from a 77 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: previous marriage. Now a couple of things to know about Delphine. 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: She had grown up in a wealthy and influential Creole family, 79 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: and Louis had recently immigrated to New Orleans after earning 80 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: his medical degree. Delphine had also actually been married twice before, 81 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: and her husbands were said to have died or disappeared 82 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: under unknown or mysterious circumstances. So this new couple her 83 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: her third marriage. They start decking out their home with 84 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: the finest art, the finest furniture. After all, they and 85 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: Delphine especially are really the toast of high society in town. 86 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: They entertained constantly. They throw these opulent parties at their 87 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: home several times a week, and all things being equal, 88 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: a couple like this might seem really irreproachable, uh, kind 89 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: of an unstoppable social force. Everybody would want to attend 90 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: the fabulous parties. But around eighteen thirty two, some pretty 91 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: nasty rumors started circling about them. The slaves who work 92 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: in their household seem very thin, they seem malnourished, and 93 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: it said that they also seem afraid of Delphine, and 94 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: she's been seen speaking quite harshly to them. So people 95 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: start talking, what what exactly is going on in this 96 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: lovely home? Right? Well, speaking harshly to your slaves is 97 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: one thing in this time, but Some of the rumors 98 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: are even worse than that. A neighbor, for instance, claims 99 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: that the Latarees have slaves changed in their attic. Some 100 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: people also supposedly link the lo lorries to notorious voodoo 101 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: queen and former podcast subject Marie Lavaux, who would have 102 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: been a contemporary Marie or Marie too if I remember, Yeah, exactly, 103 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: it's pretty those two. But this is just the legend 104 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: part after all. So for the most part, though, people 105 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: do seem to find reasons to dismiss all these rumors, 106 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: probably because they wanted to. They wanted to socialize with 107 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: this couple, and Delphine was after also beautiful, so charming. Uh. 108 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: Some people found it hard to believe that she could 109 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: be so cruel, But there was also some contradictory pieces 110 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: of evidence that made everything seem okay on the surface. 111 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: For one thing, at parties, Delphine, when she would have 112 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: just a little bit of wine left over in her glass, 113 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: she would often be seen offering that and saying a 114 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: few kind words as well to a slave who was 115 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: standing near her, so giving the backsplash of her wine. 116 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: That was seen as a nice that way, but it 117 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: would have seemed nice to other attendees at her parties, 118 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: and I think the other the other point is a 119 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: little stronger than that too. It's that, with all these 120 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: rumors about her malnourished slaves, her black coachman always looked 121 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: very healthy. He looked sleek and well dressed. And surely 122 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: it seemed a woman who abused her slaves wouldn't have 123 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: a coachman who looked uh so so fit and proper. 124 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: The rumors were often dismissed as lies spread by Americans. 125 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: Just an aside here. This was not too too long 126 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: after the Louisiana purchase, and there were tensions between the 127 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: Anglo Americans who had arrived in the city since then 128 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: and the Creoles, who were native to the area. Americans 129 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: were gaining power in the public arena, but Creoles still 130 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: dominated in terms of social cloud. So here's a vignette 131 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: associated with this legend here, just to give you an 132 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: idea of people's suspicions and how they kind of played out. 133 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: An American lawyer in the neighborhood heard the rumors about 134 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: the lollaries and sent his Creole employee over to check 135 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: things out. He thought that the Creol employee would be 136 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: a little better received. Maybe this information would be better 137 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: taken from someone um just of the same background, And 138 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 1: so he sent this employee over to remind Delphine about 139 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: the local laws regarding proper treatment of slaves. Just another 140 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: little side note here for you. You couldn't just treat 141 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: your slave however you wanted to. At this time in 142 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: New Orleans there was something in effect in Louisiana called 143 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: the Code Noir. So this meant that you couldn't just torture, mutilate, 144 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: or sexually abuse your slaves. You couldn't do maybe like 145 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: the worst things to them. I think people sort of 146 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: imagine slavery. If you're anything goes you could kill your 147 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: slaves if you wanted to, and I guess in some 148 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: places you probably could. But here there there was a 149 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: rule of some sort. But at least officially, you couldn't 150 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: do these terrible things. Yes, And according to Victoria Love 151 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: and Laura Lei Shannon's book Mad Madam Lallery, New Orleans 152 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Most Famous Murderous revealed, you could dole out quote ordinary 153 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: punishments like confinement, chaining, and whipping, but that was about it. 154 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: Already sounds pretty terrible with just those, but apparently there 155 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: were limits there. Delphine apparently charmed the pants off of 156 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: this lawyer's assistant who came by to talk to her, 157 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: and he returned singing her praises and expressing an utter 158 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: disbelief that she could even be capable of abusing anyone. 159 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: So it's almost like a H. A. Tolmes thing going 160 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: on here. I know, we talked a lot during the H. 161 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: Holmes podcast about how he got away with or won 162 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people over because he was so charming 163 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: through off their suspicions exactly. So yeah, the the creole 164 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: man who's sent to investigator, he thinks, no way this 165 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: lady could be breaking the the code noir. So then 166 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: in eight thirty three, though, there was an incident that 167 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: cast the beautiful Delphine in a very different light, So 168 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: nobody's personal testimonies are going to cut it anymore. Delphine 169 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: was seen chasing a young slave girl around the house 170 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: with a bull whip, and apparently the girl had hit 171 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: a tangle while combing Delphine's hair and the woman just 172 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: became completely unhinged at this. The little girl ended up 173 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: on the rooftop during the chase and was finally seen 174 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: plummeting into the courtyard, landing with this bone chilling thud, 175 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: and the fall which killed her seemed to get no 176 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: reaction out of Delphine, which which was the added creepy 177 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: touch on this story. Delphine was said to have looked 178 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: down at her coldly and then just went back inside. 179 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: So some of the other servants after this supposedly quietly 180 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: came out, collected the body, buried the little girl later 181 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: that night next to the well in the courtyard. But 182 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: neighbors had witnessed this too, and so the authorities were 183 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: called in and Delphine was punished for for breaking this code. 184 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: She was find three hundred dollars, several slaves were taken 185 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: away from her. It seemed like a turning point in 186 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: this in this story of or the rumor surrounding this woman. 187 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: But remember who she is. Delphine is well connected, her 188 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: family is very well connected, and she got a relative 189 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: to secretly by the slaves back for her. Not that 190 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: it remained much of a secret at all. I mean, 191 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: she continued to entertain regularly, so people knew that she 192 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 1: kept slaves in the house, and rumors of abuse continued 193 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: to kind of whirl around her. Then on April tenth, 194 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty four, everything started to come to a head. 195 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: The Lollery mansion cut on fire and the flames started 196 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: to spread really quickly throughout the main house, so friends 197 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: and neighbors they quickly showed up to help. At this time, 198 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: Louis and Delphine seemed especially worried about their valuables. Antiques 199 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: are flying, furniture, and they try to enlist all these 200 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: people who have come out to help them to get 201 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: the stuff out of the house. Yeah, but where. It 202 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: also quickly spread among the helpers that the fire was 203 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: started by this old woman who was chained to the 204 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: stove in the kitchen. And in some sources that you'll 205 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: see for this story, the old woman is actually said 206 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: to be the grandmother of the little girl who died 207 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: in the fall. Her motive in uh starting this fire 208 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: perhaps would have been revenge, of course, or maybe desperation. 209 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: But people started to ask, okay, well, where are the 210 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: other slaves in the household, because we know that they 211 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: are here. Delphine supposedly said things like, never mind them, 212 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: save the valuables. Louis told everybody just essentially mind your 213 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: own business, save our stuff. In our house please. Finally, though, 214 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: the fireman who had shown up on the scene, UH, 215 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: here a rumor that there are slaves in the attic, 216 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: and so they rush up there, only to find the 217 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: doors sealed off with these giant padlocks, And because Delphine 218 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: and Louis aren't offering up the key, they have to 219 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: break down the doors. And when they open those doors, 220 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: they're hit by an odor that causes them to gag 221 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: and wretch immediately, but it gets much worse when they 222 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: can actually see what that stench is coming from. There 223 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: are several slaves chained in there, some close to death, 224 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: others probably wishing that they were because they've been mutilated 225 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: as if part of some sadistic experiment. Some examples of 226 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: what the rescuers saw UH laves covered in honey, with 227 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: ants and other bugs crawling all over them. A woman 228 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: with her skin peeled and a spiral around her body 229 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: so that she looked kind of caterpillar like almost Also 230 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: a man and a woman who had been part of 231 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: some crude sex change operation. Basically their genitals had been 232 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: removed and swapped. They also saw a man with a 233 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: hole drilled in his head, and a woman whose bones 234 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: had been broken and reset at all these odd angles, 235 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: so that she was forced to move like a crab. 236 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: And she was so frightened when the fireman did burst 237 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: into the room that she stuttled into a corner and 238 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: just proceeded to shriek every time somebody tried to get 239 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: near her. So aside from these horrors, these living horrors 240 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: in the room, there were also buckets of random body 241 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: parts everywhere, and of course blood all over the place, 242 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: all over the floors, this horrible stench. So the slaves 243 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: were removed from the premises and taken to a nearby 244 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: slave whole holding area to to try to see if 245 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: they if they could receive treatment and survive. Most of 246 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: them did not. Meanwhile, though the fire had been brought 247 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: under control of the some degree. In about six pm, 248 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Delphine's coachman brought the carriage up to the home side door. 249 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: It was time for her regular evening ride, you know, 250 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: just pretending nothing out of the ordinary had happened that day. 251 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: But by this time, of course, the crowd that had 252 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: gathered to watch help out with the fire has heard 253 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: about what's in the attic, and they've become an angry mob. 254 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: Once they realize what happened to the slaves, and Delphine 255 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: actually has the goal at this point to wave at 256 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: them as she hops into her carriage for her evening ride. 257 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: As that carriage drives off, they start to chase her. 258 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: They don't want to let her get away, so the 259 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: mob follows her all the way to buy a St. John, 260 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: but they weren't fast enough to catch her. Delphine hops 261 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: on a boat that takes her across Lake poncha train, 262 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: and according to legend, she was never seen in the 263 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: area again. So rumor how that that after this carriage 264 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: flight out of town, Delphine either went to Mobile, Alabama 265 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: or New York City, and from there went on to France, 266 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: where she lived out the rest of her days on 267 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: the run. Some say she was even killed by a 268 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: boar while hunting in France in eighteen forty two. There 269 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: are others, though, who think that she never left Louisiana 270 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: at all, and then other people still who think that 271 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: she did return, although after her death her body was 272 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: secretly returned secretly buried in St. Louis Cemetery Number one. 273 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: Uh So, lots of lots of ideas about what happened 274 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: to you yes, According to a nineteen forty one article 275 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: in the Times Pecune, a plaque was found there in St. 276 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: Louis Cemetery number one four or five years before this 277 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: particular article is written, so I guess the mid nineteen 278 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: thirties or so, by a man who used to work 279 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: as a sexton for the cemetery. The plaque had Delphine's 280 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: name and that in eighteen forty two death date on it, 281 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: though it wasn't attached to a tomb, so it's not 282 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: like anyone could exhume a body and make sure that 283 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: it was her or anything like that. But people did 284 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: assume that the theory was correct, that her body had 285 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: been sent back after she was killed. So one last 286 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: element to to the story you're likely to hear in 287 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: New Orleans too, and that's of course haunting stories of 288 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: hauntings at her former home on Royal Street began almost 289 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: immediately after this incident, and again according to legend, authorities 290 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: who tried to secure the property directly after the fire 291 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: reported hearing all these strange sounds, even people crying out 292 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: in some unknown language. But for almost two hundred years, 293 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: visitors and residents of the house have continued to hear 294 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: strange sounds, unearthly sounds, and even seen figures operations, including 295 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: that of a little girl, maybe the one that fell 296 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: off the roof, perhaps a handsome gentleman, perhaps uh Monsieur Louis, 297 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: and even a woman who was thought to be Madame 298 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: Lo Louri. In the nineteen seventies, when the home was 299 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: being renovated and the floorboards were torn up, human bones 300 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: were supposedly found underneath some of the floors. As the 301 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: story goes, this, at last, was the explanation for those 302 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: strange sounds that the authorities heard after the fire. Delphine 303 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: had apparently essentially buried slaves alive under her floors too, 304 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: and the strange dialect that was heard was supposed to 305 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: be maybe an African dialect of some sort. So that 306 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: is our story, spooky legend. Yes, that version of events, 307 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: maybe with some differing or additional details, is pretty much 308 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: what you'll hear on any tour of Haunted New Orleans, 309 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: and what you'll find in a lot of written accounts 310 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: of Delphine la Lorie, including one in Strange True Stories 311 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: of Louisiana by George Washington Cable. Though some of the 312 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: weirder mutilations of victims aren't in the secure count. He 313 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: really tried to stick to documented sources, I think, and 314 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: Ghostly Cries from Dixie by Pat fitz Hugh is another one. 315 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: Jean del Avine's Six Ghost Stories of Old New Orleans 316 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: is another online NOLA dot com has an account of 317 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: this legend and also includes some newspaper articles from the 318 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: time that corroborate some of the details included in that legend. 319 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: A very few, though, like historian Victoria Love, whose book 320 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier in the show. I've really tried to 321 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: separate fact from fiction in this story, and Love tried 322 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: to piece together the story using only official documents archive, 323 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: So of course we had to look at her work 324 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: and try to get to the bottom of what is 325 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: definitely true about this legends what we do so Delphine, 326 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: the main character in the story, from what we can tell, 327 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: she seems to be in many respects, you know, as 328 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: she is portrayed in the legend that she was born 329 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: into an elite family. That's certainly the case. She was 330 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: born in about seventeen seventy five into a prominent New 331 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: Orleans family. Her father was Louis de McCarty, and she 332 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: had relatives who were very influential and held high profile 333 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: positions in the Louisiana government. And since her family was 334 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: so well to do, she probably would have been taught 335 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: to read and write, but a lot of her education 336 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: probably had more to do with etiquette, entertaining running a household. 337 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: We've talked before about even the art of conversation, which 338 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: clearly would have been something that would contribute to her 339 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: being so charming. But one thing Love points out as 340 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: a little strange for for Delphine's early life, considering her 341 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: social standing and her reputed beauty, is that if the 342 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: year of her birth as we know it is correct, 343 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: she didn't get married for the first time until age 344 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: twenty four, which still sounds pretty young, but it was 345 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: more common for women like her to get married by 346 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: about sixteen or seventeen years old. Love also uncovered some 347 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: some different information about those two previous husbands she did, 348 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: as you remember, have two previous marriages prior to Dr. 349 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: La Louri. One was to the Spanish don Ramon Lopez Angulo, 350 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: who became an intendant of Louisiana. The second was to 351 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: a Frenchman, Jean Pierre Polon Blanc, who was a bit 352 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: of a shady character. He was involved in New Orleans politics, 353 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: but also mixed up in slave trading, mixed up in piracy. 354 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: This reminded me a little bit of our our last 355 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: episode on Jim Booie. Yeah. I think he also had 356 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: some Jean Lafitte connections there. And this is where we 357 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: find the first biggest discrepancy in Delphine's life story. As 358 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: you mentioned, it said that her first two husbands died 359 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: under mysterious circumstances, which sort of suggests that she had 360 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: something to do with their death. Strongly suggested, strongly suggests 361 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: that and adds to the myth that has grown up 362 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: around her and makes her into a scarier character, I guess. 363 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: But according to Love's book and the Times Pick article 364 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: that we mentioned earlier, it seems that historians generally believe 365 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: that Lopez died of heart failure, either in Havana, Cuba, 366 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: or en route to Louisiana from Spain. And Love points 367 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: out that it makes sense that Blanc's death was undocumented 368 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: because of the as you mentioned, the shadiness of his lifestyle. 369 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: Kind of a pirate, right, he just disappeared. But there's 370 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: really no proof that Delphine had anything to do with it, 371 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: or that she would have even had motive to do so. 372 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean, sure she stood to gain some wealth from 373 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: her husband's deaths, but as Love points out, she was 374 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: already very wealthy. Another discrepancy here is the number of 375 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: children Delphine had from these previous marriages. The legend usually 376 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: has her with two daughters from one of these previous marriages. 377 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: In reality, she had a daughter with Lopez and four 378 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: kids with Blanc rather than just the two daughters. So 379 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: catching up though with this third marriage, Delphine married Louis 380 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: Nicola La Laurie on January and he had He was 381 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: a pretty recent arrival to New Orleans from France. He 382 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: had only gotten there about three years before that. Love's 383 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: book describes him as a pretty mediocre medical student who 384 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: ended up graduating from dental school and immigrating immediately after that. 385 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: When he arrived in New Orleans, so he he tried 386 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: to establish a medical practice for himself and advertised himself 387 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: as someone who could cure a specific deformity, in this 388 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: case hunches. So this might be where the whole storyline 389 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: of him doing medical experiments came from. If he was 390 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: really advertising himself as this experimental doctor. Delphine and Louis 391 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: had one son together, who was named Jean Louis, and 392 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: they had him soon after they were married. In eighteen 393 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: thirty two. They bought that mansion at eleven forty Royal Street, 394 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: and they started throwing those lavish parties that we talked about, 395 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: and Louis probably worked from home, although it didn't seem 396 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: as though his practice exactly flourished. They found, I think 397 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: Love found receipts that mentioned him cre eating a potion 398 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: or two for this person or that person, but nothing 399 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: that really proved a consistent medical practice. So catching up though, 400 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: with the root of this story, what really happened in 401 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: that house to those slaves, And according to Love and Shannon, 402 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: terrible crimes did occur in the house, but they weren't 403 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: quite as maccab as legend might suggest. There were rumors 404 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: of slave abuse circulating about the couple in eighteen thirty two, 405 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: but there were also some facts that seemed to contradict 406 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: certain aspects of the rumors, or at least seem a 407 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: little bit out of sync with the character of the 408 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: legendary mad Madame. For one thing, in eighteen thirty two, 409 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: the La Lois apparently petition the court to free one 410 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: of their slaves. The slave was ultimately freed in eighteen 411 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: thirty three, which was a few months before they were 412 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: run out of town for their treatment of slaves, and 413 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: according to Love, this was the second time Delphine had 414 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: petition to free a slave. She had done the same 415 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: thing back in eighteen nine teen, so it seemed a 416 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: little unusual for somebody who hated slaves, who tortured and 417 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: mutilated them to do this. Delphine also loaned money to 418 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: a free woman of color named Sarah Lee in eighteen 419 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: thirty three. Later she sued her for the repayment of 420 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: that loan. But still, the fact that she gave this 421 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: woman alone in the first place again doesn't really fit 422 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: with that reputation of pure cruelty. I mean, we don't 423 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: know the circumstances, but it just seems a little off. 424 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: One thing from the legend that couldn't be confirmed by Love, 425 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: which makes the build up to the fire a teeny 426 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: bit less dramatic is the story about the little girl 427 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: who fell or jumped, perhaps from the roof of the house. 428 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: Love says that there's no documentation of this nothing to 429 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: confirm that complaints were actually filed against Delphine afterward, and 430 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: nothing that shows that a trial actually took place or 431 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: that any legal action was taken against the Lalaies. There 432 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: also wasn't any mention of the incident in any of 433 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: the newspaper articles after the fire, which is strange because 434 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: it's not like these newspapers were pulling any punches when 435 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: it came to coverage of Delphine and her mistreatment of slaves. 436 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: You think that they would jump all over another detail 437 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: like that. Also, when authorities dug up and searched the courtyard, 438 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: no human bodies were found there. Okay, though there are 439 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: some legal documents hanging around that do suggest some new 440 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: things about the lot Lores. Though. One are some documents 441 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: that show Delphine sued Louis for legal separation, saying that 442 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: he beat her. The beating was supposedly the same day 443 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: they petitioned to free the slave. Not sure what the 444 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: connection there would have been. Maybe they fought about the 445 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: slave about freeing him, who know. Ultimately, Delphine did not 446 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: go forward with the domestic abuse case. Another very true thing, 447 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: and one that's very important to the legend, is that 448 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: a fire did break out at the home on April tenth, 449 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: four and slaves were found locked away in the upper 450 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: galleries of the mansion. But then more gruesome descriptions of 451 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: how the slaves looked when they were found, you know, 452 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: covered in honey bone, set like a crab. There aren't 453 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: really any official records of this, and Love suggests that 454 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: these descriptions, for the most part, didn't appear until Delavine's 455 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: book that we mentioned that came out in nineteen so 456 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: a long stretch of time there before these very freak 457 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: show sort of details appear, right, So the conclusion that 458 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: we can draw here is that the details were introduced 459 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: into the record later. An official statement by a judge 460 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty four suggests that only seven slaves were 461 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: rescued from the fire. They were chained, they were beaten, starved, 462 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: and we're going to be left to die in a 463 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: fire after all. So all of this is horrible enough, 464 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: but there's nothing to suggest in the record. That there's 465 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: nothing in the record I should say to suggest that, uh, 466 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: these the more atrocious medical experiments that are mentioned in 467 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: the legend actually took place. Love of It admits that 468 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: police records in New Orleans don't go back that far, 469 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: so there is that, But she points out that newspaper 470 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: illustrations probably would have attempted to depict these atrocities. They 471 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: probably would have tried to draw a picture of the 472 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: crab woman had there actually been one, pretty easy to imagine. 473 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: So it's clear that something terrible did happen, maybe as 474 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: a result of Delphine's direct actions, but she probably at 475 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: least knew what was going on, even if she wasn't 476 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: super directly involved. The fact that Louis had been accused 477 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: of violence before also indicates that he might have played 478 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: a pretty prominent role, maybe a more prominent role than 479 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: he does in the legend, even though Delphine gets most 480 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: of the credit. So as a legend goes, nobody has 481 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: any idea what happened to the Lollries after that fire. 482 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: But Love's research shows us that actually it's pretty clear 483 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: what happened to them. Delphine and Louis went to France 484 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: and lived there for several years. There are a bunch 485 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: of family letters at the archive of the Missouri Historical 486 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: Society that helped to prove this. Delphine and her family 487 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: members weren't shy about correspondence, and she wasn't exactly trying 488 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: to lay low while she was over there. According to Love, 489 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: she she really didn't have to because she couldn't be 490 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: punished over there for her New Orleans crimes. Yeah, and 491 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: she kept a hand in New Orleans too, for sure. 492 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: She gave a relative power of attorney over her Louisiana 493 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: property so that she didn't lose everything. She corresponded with 494 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: him regularly. She also corresponded with her children, even though 495 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: some of them did live with her for a while 496 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: in France, some of them were back in Louisiana. Initially, 497 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: she and Louis lived together for a little while at 498 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: his family's estate back in France, but they separated at 499 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: some point, and louis last recorded correspondence is from Cuba 500 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty two. As for Delphine, she did not 501 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: get killed in France by a wild boar. According to Love, 502 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: she did return to New Orleans in eighteen forty two, 503 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: not dead, settled in the Faubourg Marnie, and probably live 504 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: there until her death sometime between eighteen fifty five and 505 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty eight. Yeah, and we should point out that 506 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: the Marianie is very it's like right next to the 507 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: French Quarter, so she was probably yeah. Letters show that 508 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: she was set on returning when she was in France, 509 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: though relatives tried to discourage her from doing so. There 510 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: was there's a letter in Love's book from one of 511 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: her sons to another relative saying, I I don't think 512 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: she should come, but she wants to please try to 513 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: discourage her from doing this. I mean, they realized after 514 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: what had happened, what it would mean for her to 515 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: come back, for her and the rest of the family, 516 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: but she almost didn't realize or didn't care. Receipts show 517 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: that she was having the home in Marnie renovated in 518 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: the early eighteen forties and pain bills on it, so 519 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: there's some evidence there to support this. Love also cites 520 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: a documented story that tells of someone called n. L. 521 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: Lallerie and two of her daughters living in New Orleans 522 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: until the mid to late eighteen fifties. Also, certain aspects 523 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: of Delphine's estate weren't settled until eighteen fifty eight, and well, 524 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: I guess it's possible that it really took that long 525 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: to settle her estate. It's maybe unlikely. Okay, So what 526 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: about the plaque, the plaque that was discovered in Well, 527 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: though Love still thinks it's possible that she's buried in 528 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: Cemetery number one St. Louis Cemetery number one or number two, 529 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: she thinks that the plaque is probably a hoax because 530 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: of this other evidence that she's found. Okay, so something 531 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: that tied into the legend more than what had happened 532 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: in real life. Alright. As for the house we did 533 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: mention in the beginning, this is considered one of the 534 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: most haunted houses in New Orleans. It's changed hands many 535 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: times over the year, and it's been used for all 536 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: sorts of things a residence, a private residence, apartments, a school, 537 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: a home for wayward boys, businesses ranging from a bar 538 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: to a furniture store. But there is a curse associated 539 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: with it. Supposedly bad luck comes to anyone who owns 540 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: it in any business that's in it fail. The most 541 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: recent owner was Nicolas Cage, the Actor, until he lost 542 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: it due to delinquent taxes, so seemingly confirming this curse. 543 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: As we mentioned, tales of haunting started almost immediately after 544 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: the fire. In the eighteen hundreds, police and firemen who 545 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: secured the building after the fire heard strange noises, but 546 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: after the search they couldn't find anything. That's supposedly when 547 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: those haunted rumors began. We told you about that when 548 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: we were recounting the legend. So some weird stuff that's 549 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: happened there over the years. In the eighteen seventies, the 550 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: home becomes a gambling house and people report seeing strange 551 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: lights and shadows and different apartments. In the nineteen twenties, 552 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: it becomes a tenement home and many of the residents 553 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: their report ghost sightings. One tenant saw a man walking 554 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: carrying his head on his arm, another saw a black 555 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: man wrapped in chain, and still another a young mother 556 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: who lived there she saw basically the ghost of a 557 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: wealthy white woman bending over her sleeping baby. In some stories, 558 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: some sources where you see this recounted the ghost is 559 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: actually trying to suffocate the baby, so this is supposed 560 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: to be healthy. And then the most recent one, in 561 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, the the home became a furniture store 562 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: and the owner was suspecting vandalism because every morning he 563 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: found that his merchandise had been ruined. It was covered 564 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: in some strange, stinky, unidentifiable liquid. So one night he 565 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: decides to camp out with a shotgun see who the 566 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: perpetrator is, who is sneaking into his store and and 567 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: ruining everything, And all night he waits and he doesn't 568 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: see anybody. But in the morning his furniture is still ruined, 569 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: just like always, and soon after that he closes the 570 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: store for good. So all kinds of things ranging from 571 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: ghost sighting to just playing bad lots and to be 572 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 1: associated with this home. Just to bring it full circle 573 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: from those first suspicions of haunting, that story about bodies 574 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: being found under the floorboards during a renovation in the seventies, 575 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: Love doubts the story is at all true. She couldn't 576 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: find any documentation of it, and points out that had 577 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of remains of this nature been found in 578 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: such a way, it probably would have been big news 579 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: at that time, But nobody seems to have covered it 580 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: at all. And I mean especially because this is such 581 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: a huge story still. I mean you might think, at first, oh, well, 582 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: it happened a long long time ago. It's just kind 583 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: of an archaeological footnote or something. But because this is 584 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: this huge tourist legends sort of thing in New Orleans. 585 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: It would get some craft right, But the haunted house 586 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: isn't the only aspect of the story that's creepy. This 587 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: legend has kind of grown and kind of infected other arts, 588 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: other areas. Put it in other words, there is a 589 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: haunted painting associated with this legend. It was painted by 590 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: New Orleans artist Ricardo Postiano, originally in for a man 591 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: who used to live in an apartment in the Lollery House. 592 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: He wanted it as a connection to the building's past. 593 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: And it's a painting of Delphine that's similar to a 594 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: portrait of her that ran in the times of Quan four. 595 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: And this painting is the image that comes up a 596 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: lot of her. If you google Delphine Lollerie, this is 597 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: what you'll see. So the owner seemed to be into 598 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: the homes haunted past. Obviously he wanted this paint painting 599 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: to commemorate it. I mean, to even live there knowing 600 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: that it was a haunted house, I mean, I would 601 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: never be able to do it. Props to him, But 602 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: so you would think that this wouldn't really scare him, 603 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: but the painting eventually really did. It would apparently rock 604 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: on the wall during seances, so he would have I mean, 605 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: he's into this kind of Yeah. Well, I think he 606 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: started having to anounces and maybe he had them before, 607 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: but I think he had them specifically because it was painting, 608 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 1: because he thought it was a little fishy. Something weird 609 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: is going on with this. So during these seances, it 610 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: would rock on the wall sometimes fall down. He said, 611 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: objects in his apartment would have been moved around by 612 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: some unseen for so he's sufficiently creeped out, and he 613 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: gives a painting to another tenant in the mansion. She 614 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: soon started having trouble with it too. She would hear footsteps, 615 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: weird sounds, and she said that the portraits eyes would 616 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: follow her across the room and I mean, this is 617 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 1: what really just like gives me the chills. She started 618 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: hearing it whispered to her, the eyes gets to me 619 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: more that it's the classic like cheesy horror movie or something, 620 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: but the paintings. I So she eventually needed to get 621 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: rid of it too. It was creeping her out too much, 622 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: so the second owner eventually returned it to the painter. 623 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: He seems to have been pretty pleased to gotten it back, 624 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: though he said quote, it's great publicity to paint a 625 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: haunted portrait. Um indeed, yeah, and I think this particular 626 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: artist has other haunted paintings, but this isn't the only one. Man. Yeah, 627 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: so well, we all know what'd say it, Debilina for Christmas. No, don't. 628 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: I couldn't take it. I would have to run away. 629 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: I would immediately give the painting to someone, Sarah, back 630 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: to the artists. It's a good business. Yeah right. Well, 631 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if our listeners are creeped out, but 632 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: I really am so I think so. Today we have 633 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: two more postcards from world Travelers. We always love those. 634 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: These in particular have to do with people who visited 635 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: a museum after listening to one of our podcasts a 636 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: related museum. The first one is from Jessonin and she says, 637 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: Dear Sarah, Debilina, one of my favorite podcasts ever was 638 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: your two parter on Frit Jeff Nansen and from so. 639 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: When I had the chanced to visit the from Museum 640 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: in Oslo, I seized it. It's really cool seeing the 641 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 1: ship in person, and the museum shows items from Nonson 642 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: and Almondson's famous polar voyages on the ship. Plus you 643 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: can go on board. That's really cool. The Contiki Museum 644 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: and Vikingship Museum are both nearby. To round up an 645 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: awesome ship themed day. That does sound like a pretty 646 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: cool day. I want to go now. Sometimes I will 647 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: talk about these museums or places to visit on the show, 648 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: but it's when I year back from you guys that 649 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: I actually want to go visit this place. Yeah. Well, 650 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: the thing that's awesome about that is just actually being 651 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: able to go on the ship. I mean, you think 652 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 1: about museums and you're usually not allowed to touch anything, 653 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: or if you are, it's very limited. But to be 654 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: able to go on board when you're thinking and learning 655 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: about these voyages is pretty cool, very cool. Thanks for 656 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: writing in so Our other postcard is from listener Tasha. 657 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: She sent a beautiful portrait of Empress Specy and wrote 658 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: to a High sar In de Luna and guests, who 659 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 1: I bought this postcard from the CC museum you mentioned 660 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: in your podcast on the Empress of Austria. I was 661 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: on the train from Munich to Vienna, having just visited 662 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: one of the reminders of a low second. When I 663 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: heard about the museum, I had to go it was 664 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 1: really interesting and involved a tour of the Royal Apartment. 665 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing history to life all the best. So 666 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: another one where you really get to kind of see 667 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: the the inside story tour tour CC's apartments. That sounds 668 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: pretty cool. So thank you guys so much for for 669 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: sending us postcards, probably making us add to the list 670 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: of places we want to go in the loan. It's 671 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: a long list. It is a long list, but it's 672 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: always good to have that keep growing. And if you 673 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: want to share any of your travels with us or 674 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: help us come up with ideas for our own future travels, 675 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: or if you've been to New Orleans and done the 676 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: Haunted House tour that includes information about the Lolla Reeves 677 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: and you have a vignette that we didn't mention that 678 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: you want to share, or maybe you have some other 679 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,919 Speaker 1: haunted house strategies you'd like to share with Sarah since 680 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: apparently she's very unprepared and don't have any of her own. Uh, 681 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: please write to us. We're at History Podcast at Discovery 682 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: dot com or you can look us up on Twitter 683 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: at this in History, and we're also on Facebook and 684 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: we do have an article on Haunted houses don't we 685 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: we do. I think it's called top ten Real Life 686 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: Haunted Houses. I wouldn't be surprised if this one's on there. 687 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: We also have How Haunted Houses Work. I think. Okay, well, 688 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: so that's what I need to start with, yes, because 689 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if it has strategies in there. Maybe 690 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: I should add a page or something. All I know 691 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: now is not to go with Deblina. So you can 692 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: check that out. It's called How Haunted Houses Work, and 693 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: you can find it by searching on our homepage at www. 694 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: Dot how stuff works dot com For more on this 695 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: and thousands of other topics. Is that how stuff works 696 00:39:51,760 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: dot Com to do