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Speaker 1: Cleveland Indians will officially become the Cleveland Guardians on Friday,
Speaker 1: twenty three hours from now. The Guardians team store will
Speaker 1: open Friday at nine am with all new merchandise. Paulie,
Speaker 1: what's it look like for the Cleveland Guardians gear on Friday? Well,
Speaker 1: it appears like it's last call for Cleveland Indians here.
Speaker 1: If you go to their website, you could still buy
Speaker 1: classic Cleveland Indians gear. That's good change though, and the
Speaker 1: font style of Guardians looks really close to Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 1: They're doing their best that it kind of blends in
Speaker 1: there a little bit. Are you allowed to talk about
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Indians previously, like the Washington Redskins, like Joe
Speaker 1: Gibbs Redskins teams, can you say that? Are you allowed
Speaker 1: to say that? You're allowed to refer to them as
Speaker 1: that the Cleveland Indians. Are you allowed to talk about
Speaker 1: them the team that went to the World Series and
Speaker 1: faced the Cubs, team that played the Marlins. Do you'd
Speaker 1: say the Cleveland Guardians even though they weren't the Guardians
Speaker 1: back then. Yes, Todd, Cleveland baseball team. Just to play
Speaker 1: it safe, just kind of jump in on that. That's
Speaker 1: where you don't offend anybody at all. Cleveland baseball team, Yes, Paul,
Speaker 1: And do you think this is going to be the
Speaker 1: toughest name change to get used to? I still call
Speaker 1: the Chargers the San Diego Chargers about fifty percent of
Speaker 1: the time, the Las Vegas Raiders. I've got it almost down,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I'm gonna be able to call
Speaker 1: them the Cleveland Guardians on a regular basis till probably
Speaker 1: three years. Yeah. It's one of those where I still
Speaker 1: catch myself saying San Diego Chargers always or Oakland Raiders.
Speaker 1: Just feels like it's so ingrained. You know, the Washington
Speaker 1: football team, you know, sometimes I'll slip up and say
Speaker 1: the Redskins. Probably going to do that with the Cleveland Indians.
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Speaker 1: and memoration of the thirty fifth anniversary of Hoosiers. Today's
Speaker 1: newsletter will include an exclusive interview I did with Maris Villanis.
Speaker 1: He is better known as Jimmy Chitwood in the movie.
Speaker 1: He shares how he got hired for the role, as
Speaker 1: well as some great stories behind the scenes with Gene
Speaker 1: Hackman and Dennis Hopper. I guess they found nineteen more
Speaker 1: minutes of the movie and they had a special screening
Speaker 1: this past weekend. Yeah, Paul, Yeah, there's a thing called
Speaker 1: the Knightstown jim And where they filmed all the Hickory
Speaker 1: home games in the movie. And there was a couple
Speaker 1: other scenes, like Buddy the point Guard had this back
Speaker 1: and forth with Gene Hackman and it was cut from
Speaker 1: the film. We had him on the actor his name
Speaker 1: is Brad Long and he said he had this long
Speaker 1: scene with Gene Hackman that was you imagine being a
Speaker 1: non actor doing that, And they showed the entire thing
Speaker 1: to this crowd. We got football coming up tonight, Patriots
Speaker 1: playing the Falcons, Thursday Night Football and everything about this though,
Speaker 1: it just feels like how much of twenty eight three
Speaker 1: is mentioned? Is there an over under how many times
Speaker 1: twenty eight to three is mentioned, even though Tom Brady's
Speaker 1: not playing obviously, But then I don't know how many
Speaker 1: players are left over from that Super Bowl? But is
Speaker 1: that the most famous super Bowl in history when you
Speaker 1: consider what you thought it was and what it ended
Speaker 1: up being that you had overtime, the Falcons didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance in overtime. What that meant for careers? Brady
Speaker 1: adding another, Belichick adding another. If Matt Ryan has a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with an MVP, no doubt Hall of famer.
Speaker 1: What happened with dan Quinn head coach Kyle Shanahan left
Speaker 1: to become the head coach of the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: Just the impact on that game. But that's coming up
Speaker 1: tonight with the Patriots six and a half point favorites
Speaker 1: in Atlantic. Yes, Tom, what do you think with the
Speaker 1: NFL the last couple of weeks, in some of the
Speaker 1: weird games and some of the upsets, all the mac
Speaker 1: Jones hype is going to come back to get him
Speaker 1: and we've off we jinxed mac Jones and somehow Atlanta
Speaker 1: is going to eat one out tonight. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we've jinxed him. It just feels like he
Speaker 1: has played well. They've played well. This is one of
Speaker 1: those dangerous games where if they play well, he plays well,
Speaker 1: then the mac Jones love continues another week. If not,
Speaker 1: and it feels like we've almost gone week to week
Speaker 1: with a lot of quarterbacks because we start out with
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston all Jamis Winston dark Horse MVP, and I
Speaker 1: went really okay, and then the next week he was
Speaker 1: not on a horse at all and now out for
Speaker 1: the season. By the way, his head coach, Sean Payton
Speaker 1: is going to join us coming up, and Sean is
Speaker 1: I don't think he has a cameo in the movie.
Speaker 1: But Sean Payton is portrayed by Kevin James. It's a
Speaker 1: Netflix movie and the release date will be January twenty eighth.
Speaker 1: It's called Home Team, and this is Adam Sandler. He
Speaker 1: has as Kevin James playing Sean Payton, and this is
Speaker 1: when Sean Payton got suspended, went to his hometown and
Speaker 1: coached his son's Pop Warner team. Kevin James is in it.
Speaker 1: Taylor Lautner's in it. I got a cameo in it. Yes, yes, Pony,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty surprised Kevin James is playing Kevin James does
Speaker 1: not look anything like Sean Payton. I'm sure it's going
Speaker 1: to look different in the movie, but just body style,
Speaker 1: head hairstyle. Yeah, that might be a stretch. Yeah, yes, Ton.
Speaker 1: I suppose I have to see a little bit more
Speaker 1: about what it's all about, but that Sean Payton does
Speaker 1: have a cameo in that movie. Oh, he doesn't sneak
Speaker 1: him in this? Uh okay. I wonder if he got
Speaker 1: the opportunity to pick who he wanted to play him,
Speaker 1: like Billy Bean of the Oakland A's Brad Pitt takes
Speaker 1: that role. And if you're Billy Bean, you're like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I like that. Yes, seton, So is this movie based
Speaker 1: on Sean Payton or is it about Sean Payton? Is
Speaker 1: it like a Sean Payton like character or is it
Speaker 1: actually it's Sean Payton Sean Payton. Yeah. Kevin James as
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. Rob Schneider's also in the movie, in case
Speaker 1: you were wont Yeah, of course, all of Sandler's who
Speaker 1: does he play Drew Breest? How far are we going here?
Speaker 1: Like de Niro? If he can play Drew Brees, Yes,
Speaker 1: Mick Glovin see, I like it at least. Kevin James,
Speaker 1: as a sports fan like al Paccino, clearly had never
Speaker 1: watched a football game in his life before any given Sunday.
Speaker 1: He certainly never played in a game, Al Pacino. I've
Speaker 1: heard other actors interview said Pacino did not know much
Speaker 1: about football going to that movie. That's when you really
Speaker 1: want to rely on somebody's acting ability. Can you act
Speaker 1: like you know something about football? Al Todd? Go ahead,
Speaker 1: every inch gets your foot, You give me three feet,
Speaker 1: we get a yard, one hundred yards, we get a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna give us that inch? That inch is the
Speaker 1: difference between a win and a loss. I need to
Speaker 1: know that you guys are gonna give me that Inche
Speaker 1: you gotta fight for each other, bad inch, Thank you too.
Speaker 1: But then he also played Joe Paterno. He was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that he was convincing there, but that felt
Speaker 1: like it was less about being that on the field
Speaker 1: coach hyping up your team. And I guess I had
Speaker 1: a coach who did that, I'd have I'd get behind
Speaker 1: some taller teammates and just giggle because I'd be going
Speaker 1: one day. Yeah. I think my problem was he dressed
Speaker 1: like pat Riley in the movie, and football coaches don't
Speaker 1: dress like that. No, No, he's short of playing an
Speaker 1: an NBA coach in a way, a little bit. It's
Speaker 1: like Michael Douglas, you know, took on the persona pat Riley,
Speaker 1: at least how he looked when he did Wall Street. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wanted to look like pat Riley. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: coaches and movies. Uh what's his name? Billy Bob Thornton
Speaker 1: in uh Friday and Lights. I thought he pulled that
Speaker 1: one off and then um was it. Varsity Blues might
Speaker 1: not be the greatest football movie all time, but John
Speaker 1: Voight can play a bad guy and a dislikable guy. Uh.
Speaker 1: Denzel Washington? Was he good? And remember I never saw
Speaker 1: the movie? You remember the Titans? Yeah, he was good.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make Herbstreet mad. That's his pyramid of movies.
Speaker 1: That's the peak. Herbstreet will go to the wall on
Speaker 1: that movie. You gotta see that. That's pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What was the other one? Radio? Was there? Oh wait,
Speaker 1: that's a yeah? Yeah, I didn't see that one either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I agree with Paul like I think. Remember
Speaker 1: The Titans is a must sort of a musty football guy.
Speaker 1: Will Patton plays the defensive coordinator mock us. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know how about who played the blind side? That
Speaker 1: wasn't Ronald Reagan? And win one for the Gipper. Isn't
Speaker 1: that a famous old movie? Yeah? I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see where Sean Payton is playing. Looks like a mechanic.
Speaker 1: I got some on set pictures here with uh. I
Speaker 1: got Kevin James at Sean Payton. I got Sean Payton
Speaker 1: as maybe that's a mechanic. Yeah. Look looks like he
Speaker 1: just rotated someone's tires or something to take a little lunch.
Speaker 1: He looks a little like Frankie Munyez, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit older Frankie Munez Malcolm in the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think? All right? We could see that
Speaker 1: could play his dad. Kevin James looks like Dana White,
Speaker 1: the guy. He looks like Dana White, Ate J glazerd
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Speaker 1: Watt Steelers go to La to face off against Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert and the Chargers. That'll be seven Eastern on NBC
Speaker 1: and Peacock. Earlier this week, Mike Florio, who joined US
Speaker 1: in the first Hour, wrote a post on Pro Football
Speaker 1: Talk dot com about the NFL someday expanding from thirty
Speaker 1: two to maybe forty teams. It makes sense because you're
Speaker 1: talking about financially making sense. This is about gambling and
Speaker 1: if you have more inventory, more opportunities, the NFL is
Speaker 1: going to make a billion dollars off gambling. They're just
Speaker 1: dipping their toes into it right now. That's why when
Speaker 1: I go back what eight nine years ago, the outcry
Speaker 1: from the commissioner and talking about the evils of gambling,
Speaker 1: and I went those are the kind of comments that
Speaker 1: people are going to bring back because it was inevitable.
Speaker 1: The NFL was going to embrace it all the other
Speaker 1: leagues because all they wanted to do was what's our
Speaker 1: slice of the pie. That's all it came down to.
Speaker 1: They weren't worried about you know, you've taking your rent
Speaker 1: money and you know a two team parlay. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't care. They wanted to know, Hey, what do
Speaker 1: we get here, and what's going on in Saint Louis
Speaker 1: with that lawsuit against stan Cronky for taking the Rams
Speaker 1: out of there, Florio said, could lead to Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: Here's a settlement. Hey, how about we give you a franchise.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Saint Louis is going to go yep,
Speaker 1: that's what we want another franchise in here. How about
Speaker 1: if you give Saint Louis a franchise and you let
Speaker 1: Saint Louis own it, sort of like the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1: How about that? That does anybody? They're doing this in Chicago,
Speaker 1: this has been you know, topic that's been broached that.
Speaker 1: How about, Hey, you don't want an owner to leave
Speaker 1: the city, you own it, let the city profit shareholders
Speaker 1: have a stock option, just like the Packers just did. Again,
Speaker 1: why not do that? That way you can ensure that
Speaker 1: that team's not leaving anytime soon. But when you start
Speaker 1: to think about forty teams, do we have forty quality quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: And the answers, no, we don't. I mean, the Jets
Speaker 1: are going with Joe Flacco this week, Saints are still
Speaker 1: starting Trevor Simeon. Steelers may go to Mason Rudolph again.
Speaker 1: Jared Goff is banged up. Tim Boyle has been running
Speaker 1: the practice for the Lions. The Cardinals Kyler Murray and
Speaker 1: Colt McCoy are banged up. Last Sunday they played a
Speaker 1: former Winnipeg Blue bomber, Chris Streveler. I don't know about
Speaker 1: expansion here when it comes to quarterbacks, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: see a lot of quarterbacks, backup quarterbacks in the second
Speaker 1: half of the season, maybe some third string quarterbacks as well. Yes, mclovin,
Speaker 1: Chris Traveler. I have a piece of trivia here that
Speaker 1: will bother one person. Okay, I was googling him yesterday.
Speaker 1: Guess where he went to high school? Christian Straveler? Where
Speaker 1: did he go to high school? Marion Catholic in Chicago?
Speaker 1: Exactly correct? Yes, I just google the Marrying Central Catholic
Speaker 1: High School. Oh that's a different school. Oh. Oh, I
Speaker 1: didn't go to Maryon Central Catholic. I went to Marrying
Speaker 1: Catholic in Chicago Heights Central Catholic. I think it's like
Speaker 1: a West Side or something. Crystal Lake, Illinois? Is that me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Crystal Lake West? Oh, I saw mary I'm like, why
Speaker 1: isn't Paul bragging about this guy all the time? And
Speaker 1: he was in the CFL, Paul's favorite football league. You
Speaker 1: could have fooled me. You could have stuck with it.
Speaker 1: I would have liked Chris Devlaire. I loved him. Poll
Speaker 1: question for this hour, Okay, so I put up whose
Speaker 1: career would you a Matt Ryan or Drew Bledsoe. It's
Speaker 1: almost fifty fifty fifty three percent Matt Ryan. All right,
Speaker 1: it's a lot closer than I thought. Um, yeah, Ryan,
Speaker 1: I think when you talk about twenty eight three too much,
Speaker 1: people are clicking against Mac Ryan. Yeah. But you know,
Speaker 1: Bledsoe didn't have a good super Bowl the one he
Speaker 1: played in. I think he threw four picks in that.
Speaker 1: Uh he went to two, but he wasn't a starter.
Speaker 1: The reason why we wanted to have Drew on well
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. You know, just talk football. But
Speaker 1: also in that new documentary on Tom Brady, Bledsoe's the
Speaker 1: star episode one. I mean he talks about they just
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, Brady's first super Bowl and he
Speaker 1: doesn't stay with the team. The next day flies home
Speaker 1: to Montana and he's lost his job. He knows he's
Speaker 1: not going to be the quarterback for the Patriots again.
Speaker 1: And he's skiing and he said he got on a
Speaker 1: chairlift and he broke down crying because it finally started
Speaker 1: to set in. This was my team until he got
Speaker 1: hit by Mo Lewis. And we didn't know at the
Speaker 1: time because you're watching Brady, you're not. He didn't do
Speaker 1: anything special. Even in the Super Bowl, he didn't do
Speaker 1: anything special, and all of a sudden, you go, Drew
Speaker 1: Bledsoew just lost his job. Remember the old adage, you
Speaker 1: don't lose your job to an injury. That's not the
Speaker 1: case with Bill Belichick. All right, when we come back,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton will join us. The Saint's head coach. Drew
Speaker 1: Bledsoe will join us in an hour from now back
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Speaker 1: J Watt and the Steelers go to La to face
Speaker 1: off against Justin Herbert and the Chargers Sunday seven Eastern
Speaker 1: on NBC and Peacock. I mentioned that Kevin James is
Speaker 1: starring in a Netflix movie and Adam Sandler movie and
Speaker 1: it's based on Sean Payton's one year sabbatical from the NFL.
Speaker 1: He was suspended goes back to his hometown to coach
Speaker 1: his son's Pop Warner team. Kevin James plays the role
Speaker 1: of Sean Payton. B Sean Payton, the Saints head coach,
Speaker 1: joins us on the program. Did you have any say
Speaker 1: and who was gonna portray you? Coach? I didn't. I
Speaker 1: appreciate I appreciate the pitch, but this was yeah, this
Speaker 1: was done kind of with Adam Sandler's group and my
Speaker 1: daughter had done a little where are They Now piece
Speaker 1: for NFL Network, Oh, a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: it was about that six or eight team and seven
Speaker 1: or eight players and the story of that season. And
Speaker 1: I think it was condensed into maybe a five minute
Speaker 1: hit on network. And Adam saw it and asked his
Speaker 1: brother in law, my my, my daughter's boyfriend, Chris to
Speaker 1: uh he said, write that movie. And that was kind
Speaker 1: of a big deal for Chris. And you know, Adam
Speaker 1: doesn't say that all the time. And long story short,
Speaker 1: you know, here we are. Um, I'm sure Adam and
Speaker 1: Kevin and the rest of them from Happy Madison, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of you know, looked at it and made their adjustments.
Speaker 1: So I've I've kind of been just a bystander from
Speaker 1: Afar and I'm sure it'll be um more of the
Speaker 1: humorous tone. And uh yeah, I think so. Certain movies
Speaker 1: repeat themselves like that, you know, whether it's the Bad
Speaker 1: News Bears or the Mighty Giants or the Ducks or
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the storyline. Yeah, but but
Speaker 1: do you have and yet we still like them? Do
Speaker 1: you have script approval? Oh? Yeah, I read through it
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Yes, And basically, um, there's some parts
Speaker 1: in there that that are they're definitely funny in part
Speaker 1: of the movie. And more importantly to me was my
Speaker 1: ex wife, Beth's thoughts, and my son and my daughter,
Speaker 1: all the people around me. You know, when you get
Speaker 1: to where you're fifty seven, you're you're not as worried
Speaker 1: about what other people think. But I wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that my children and Beth felt good about them. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of interesting though, when you when
Speaker 1: you have it based on your life, but I'm wondering
Speaker 1: in real life, what did you learn about yourself when
Speaker 1: you got suspended that year? Well, I would say there
Speaker 1: were two things. You know. You you the first month,
Speaker 1: you know, you're livid, your anger. You you I'm going
Speaker 1: to call it a sham and try to be kind.
Speaker 1: But you go through that like you can't believe the
Speaker 1: way it unfolded and what was being said or portrayed
Speaker 1: by by the League office. And and then secondly you're like, man,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a long year if you
Speaker 1: continue to wake up feeling like this, you know. In
Speaker 1: other words, So then you go through maybe there's three
Speaker 1: stages that you know. The next stages you begin to
Speaker 1: all right, what are we going to do here? And
Speaker 1: I've recovered from an injury that happened actually in Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay on the sideline, and so I began working out
Speaker 1: quite a bit, ran a half marathon, I mean training
Speaker 1: like daily, and then coaching this team or being I
Speaker 1: was an assistant. I wasn't the head coach. I was
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator of this sixth grade team that had
Speaker 1: not really had any success. And here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: It's this sounds crazy, but it's it's still the same.
Speaker 1: You're teaching. There's a dynamic that you want to communicate
Speaker 1: a subject matter, and you got to figure out what wins,
Speaker 1: and then you got to figure out how to do
Speaker 1: that to win, and then you start winning, and then
Speaker 1: the players believe, and then you win some more and
Speaker 1: then they have confidence. And it's the same with the
Speaker 1: sixth grade team as it is with an NFL team.
Speaker 1: Did you show them your resume? I mean, you didn't
Speaker 1: get the head coaching job. You only an OC. So
Speaker 1: I didn't want to listen. I didn't want to deal
Speaker 1: with the parents. Number One, we were back in Texas.
Speaker 1: Would you rather I'm not going to deal with any parents.
Speaker 1: Would you rather deal with the media or parents. The media,
Speaker 1: the media. I've gone, honestly, and the parents were great.
Speaker 1: But I've gone to a number of high school games
Speaker 1: because my son played high school football, and I'm amazed.
Speaker 1: I'm amazed and in awe or in shock of the
Speaker 1: behavior or cluelessness that I observe in the bleachers. It's
Speaker 1: just and I don't know if it's the parents trying
Speaker 1: to live vicariously through their children or not maybe understanding
Speaker 1: or or really failing to realize the bigger picture, which
Speaker 1: is just the growth of their child's education. And I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about a sports. It could be the band
Speaker 1: for gal, it could be arts. It's just part of
Speaker 1: like growing up. And look, there's a few that I
Speaker 1: understand that they can go on, maybe in playing college
Speaker 1: and then maybe I don't discount any of that, but
Speaker 1: just some of the behavior or attitudes that you observe
Speaker 1: or you just cringe. But now I would choose the
Speaker 1: media every day over the parents, and so that was
Speaker 1: part of the deal. I didn't have to visit with
Speaker 1: the parents about why Johnny or Billy wouldn't playing or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Saint said coach Sean Payton at the
Speaker 1: Eagles on Sunday Thanksgiving hosting the Bills and then you
Speaker 1: host the Cowboys. You're coming off back to back losses.
Speaker 1: How long does it take to put a loss to
Speaker 1: the side and move on. I would say, generally speaking,
Speaker 1: you know, there's that twenty four hour maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit longer, maybe a day and a half or so,
Speaker 1: depending on this one. This past weekend. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I'll ever get over, you know, in other words,
Speaker 1: just the way the way the game unfolded, how we
Speaker 1: wanted to play it, and then you know, to have
Speaker 1: some of the things take place that took place. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just it's tough. It's tough because you dive into
Speaker 1: a week with you know, your total preparation, and I think,
Speaker 1: um man, I think we just in a lot of ways. Uh,
Speaker 1: we've seen it happen each weekend with the officiating, and
Speaker 1: that's the that's the hardest thing to get past, is
Speaker 1: you know, when when they're not up to speed maybe
Speaker 1: or or or or it happened to the Bears, you know,
Speaker 1: a week a week and a half ago. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you've watched yourself on the sidelines,
Speaker 1: the reaction in that game. But if they were thought bubbles,
Speaker 1: I'd love to know what you were thinking. I think though, Look,
Speaker 1: I honestly I can recall a little bit of it,
Speaker 1: and I think in in you know, back at ten
Speaker 1: years ago, i'd have been I think it was I was.
Speaker 1: I may have been thinking that, but I was I
Speaker 1: think a little bit calmer and just I hate getting
Speaker 1: to the point where it's expected we're like, you're numb.
Speaker 1: And but those kind of things can happen, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean they just and and I look at that
Speaker 1: more from an overall leadership perspective and training perspective, and
Speaker 1: like that those problems start at the top, not at
Speaker 1: the individual cruise. Yeah, yeah, I think you know, somehow
Speaker 1: we got to reduce the variables. But can you talk
Speaker 1: to the league about that? Do you do they let
Speaker 1: let you have a voice? Um, yeah, Look, I was
Speaker 1: part of the competition committee for a while and uh.
Speaker 1: And so it's just it's it's something that I know
Speaker 1: other head coaches and general managers. I know most in
Speaker 1: this profession believe in certain things and to help that change.
Speaker 1: And I look, I know there's a number of people
Speaker 1: in our positions that believe these guys should be full time.
Speaker 1: I mean that they should be coming back Monday in
Speaker 1: centralized locations. How are seventeen crews ever going to be
Speaker 1: on the same page when, um, when there's a conference
Speaker 1: call or a zoom call and then you know that.
Speaker 1: But that's for that's for another day right now. But coach,
Speaker 1: you know the stakes are too high, you know, with
Speaker 1: what's going on with gambling. I mean, this is big business.
Speaker 1: We know that, Um, the NFL can afford full time officials. Listen,
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I would agree with you.
Speaker 1: Don't you want to say to the betting public, we
Speaker 1: we you know, we're taking this seriously. We have to
Speaker 1: we have to improve, Yes, like we have to. And
Speaker 1: and look, everyone, everyone watching and participating and involved in it,
Speaker 1: deserves better. How close did you come to getting o
Speaker 1: b j M? I thought, Look, we had good conversations.
Speaker 1: He's from here. I thought only he could answer that,
Speaker 1: But I thought, I felt real positive. You're in the
Speaker 1: middle of game week, so you're preparing for another game.
Speaker 1: And look, if he's truly interested in coming, here's our pitch,
Speaker 1: here's what we think here, you know, and then at
Speaker 1: that point you know he can sort through that and
Speaker 1: we had several conversations. I would say close. The question
Speaker 1: would be all along if LA had had an opportunity,
Speaker 1: I knew that's where he was going to go. And
Speaker 1: I don't think Los Angeles really was an option until
Speaker 1: like maybe middle of the process. Yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: fairly close. But I think only he would be able
Speaker 1: to answer that. I wonder if Drew Brees was still
Speaker 1: your quarterback, would you would you have landed him? I
Speaker 1: think I think La. I'm meaning that in matters an area, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think it. Yeah, I believe that. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just wondering about that that you know, you could have
Speaker 1: him come back home and he can be the featured
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Like I don't know, what is this like
Speaker 1: your recruiting pitch as if you were a college coach
Speaker 1: when you're trying to get somebody. Well, I think in
Speaker 1: a very small, like micro I mean just in a
Speaker 1: very small, quick two day process. I think this ultimately,
Speaker 1: and I can you know in recruiting, for instance, there
Speaker 1: are certain bullet point things that you need. Who are
Speaker 1: the decision makers, what's most important? And I think LA
Speaker 1: was important more than I think Los Angeles was important
Speaker 1: for him, and and I think that I get it.
Speaker 1: Where do you stand on the taunting rule? I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's being over officiated. I said in
Speaker 1: the discussions, I think I don't think any of us
Speaker 1: that discussed it saw it where it is. Now who
Speaker 1: was asking for it? Coach? Because I didn't know that
Speaker 1: it was. You know this uh real dilemma that this
Speaker 1: is a big problem in the NFL with Yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I think here's But in fairness to that question, it's,
Speaker 1: like anything else, the line's got to be eventually bright.
Speaker 1: You know, when you start having players standover players, you know,
Speaker 1: crawl over players with their crots, that that there's there's
Speaker 1: got to be like, hey, if if if you and
Speaker 1: I watch a game and we say, just sit next
Speaker 1: to each other and turn to each other and we
Speaker 1: say taunting, that's probably a taunting foul you with me, yeah,
Speaker 1: And and we would see it and think, oh, that's
Speaker 1: that's too much, Like you can't do that. Um. But
Speaker 1: I think then therein lies the challenge of communication as to, hey,
Speaker 1: this is I'm going to show fifty clips and you
Speaker 1: tell me which ones you think should be called taunting.
Speaker 1: And it's no different than roughing the passer. So what's
Speaker 1: the first word, And it's roughing. And so if I
Speaker 1: turn to you and we watched the game, I think
Speaker 1: we'd be able to say that's probably roughing. But I
Speaker 1: don't like the word roughing the passer because if I
Speaker 1: graze your helmet, I didn't rough you, and I why
Speaker 1: can't that be a five yard No? I like the
Speaker 1: word roughing. I like the word roughing, all right, And
Speaker 1: I don't want to call anything if I graze anyone
Speaker 1: in football, okay, but they do. All right, let's let's
Speaker 1: go all the way back to let's just shoots and ladders.
Speaker 1: We're back at the very the very beginning of the discussion.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to get fined, coach. No, I won't.
Speaker 1: I won't. How much have you been Well, you lost
Speaker 1: a whole salary, But except for that, how many times
Speaker 1: have you been fined by the league? Off? By the way,
Speaker 1: I didn't want why why didn't I never understood that?
Speaker 1: And I know it's not my money, but I like, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta I would have been livid, like you're going
Speaker 1: to take a salary away from me the whole season,
Speaker 1: Like I'm mad on your behalf. You're you're over at Maye.
Speaker 1: That was that was well, not ever, that was the
Speaker 1: first two months that we talked about before. Man, you know,
Speaker 1: it was the the the anger, and it was look,
Speaker 1: it was it was done. It was done. It was
Speaker 1: a way to try to circumvent really with the rules
Speaker 1: at that time were and that's it's five hundred thousand
Speaker 1: at that time for a league employee. But um oh
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. How about we talk about
Speaker 1: your team? How's your team doing? Coach? Going into this game,
Speaker 1: I've never been able to come on the Damn Patrick
Speaker 1: Show and for a brief moment via telephone, feel like
Speaker 1: I made him like awkward or uncomfortable, and I just
Speaker 1: felt like I did that. So teams doing good. We're
Speaker 1: banged up a little bit. We go to Philly. We
Speaker 1: do have this unique Thursday not Thursday night game, but
Speaker 1: it's it's unusual. We play Thursday night Thanksgiving and then
Speaker 1: we flip around and play again home Thursday versus the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna see the Eagles, that we're gonna see
Speaker 1: the Bills, and we're gonna see the Cowboys. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's like what three games that however
Speaker 1: many days. But so I think part of his being
Speaker 1: the head coach is just being smart relative to how
Speaker 1: much time were on our feet and how to manage
Speaker 1: the practice schedule, those type of things. What do you
Speaker 1: what do you do against Tom Brady that other coaches
Speaker 1: don't do? Why why are you successful against Brady? I look,
Speaker 1: I think this number one, I think we have a
Speaker 1: good defense. But you know what I mean, I think
Speaker 1: and if you have a good defense, and I think
Speaker 1: then you know that's part of it. It's a hard
Speaker 1: fought game. We unfortunately we weren't in the playoff game.
Speaker 1: And I think there are a lot of things that
Speaker 1: go into winning. And if you're playing him and you're
Speaker 1: turning the ball over at midfield, you're gonna pay. If
Speaker 1: you're playing him and you're not capitalized, you know, like
Speaker 1: almost like there's not going to be these errors that
Speaker 1: sometimes you get when you're playing another player at that position,
Speaker 1: and certainly that you know a player that that our
Speaker 1: league has never seen at that position. So your margin
Speaker 1: fr has to be sharp. And I think defense, you
Speaker 1: have to have a good defense. I mean I think that. Look,
Speaker 1: if you go back and remember the Tampa game in
Speaker 1: New England and it was the return and the rebirth
Speaker 1: and holy cow, all right, I mean it was it
Speaker 1: was unbelievable that the the media attention to that game
Speaker 1: and man, new England's got a good defense and that
Speaker 1: game was I think down to the final score with
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback. And so I do think it starts with,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously a good defensive plan and understanding maybe
Speaker 1: some of the basic principles of how to win and
Speaker 1: not how to lose. I still think back when I
Speaker 1: think it drafts and you told us that you know, hey,
Speaker 1: we were trading up, we were we wanted or we
Speaker 1: were going to get Mahomes and uh, and then you
Speaker 1: ended up taking Lattimore, who's obviously a very good player.
Speaker 1: But just that what is that Well, we didn't know
Speaker 1: at the time, So I don't know if you were
Speaker 1: like crushed where you're like, we got Mahomes and then
Speaker 1: you don't have Mahomes And what's that feeling like when
Speaker 1: you don't get him at that time? At the time,
Speaker 1: at the time, realistically you have a small bubble there.
Speaker 1: We're picking eleven, and so this is I think what
Speaker 1: happens in a lot of draft rooms. You have, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to have it at least as many players
Speaker 1: in the bubble as there are picks, or you don't
Speaker 1: have a pick, like you have to like And I
Speaker 1: knew it was Lattimore and Mahomes in this cloud, and
Speaker 1: there were three picks left before it was our pick.
Speaker 1: So you're getting to a spot where when there's two
Speaker 1: picks left and you have two and you're you're getting
Speaker 1: one of your guys. And so Lattimore, we didn't think
Speaker 1: it was going to be available, and here here was
Speaker 1: the here was the question in a nutshell, it would
Speaker 1: help your team now at the corner while you have Drew,
Speaker 1: or help your team long term with with the quarterback.
Speaker 1: And we were we were Once pick nine was made,
Speaker 1: we knew we had one of the two, one of
Speaker 1: the two choices. And I don't know if pick ten
Speaker 1: was someone else what we would have done it. At eleven,
Speaker 1: we were discussing, you know, back and forth about the
Speaker 1: QB in the corner. And then so at the time
Speaker 1: when something like that happens, there are times where you're
Speaker 1: just like you had one guy, someone stepped up took
Speaker 1: your guy, and you just you're you're dejected or you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen that happen, But I think that the feeling
Speaker 1: was when Andy, when the Chiefs went to ten, I
Speaker 1: knew right away it was going to be for Patrick,
Speaker 1: and then we knew we were getting Latimore. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: there was there wasn't a room of like dejection or
Speaker 1: it was. It was kind of high fives. Like, man,
Speaker 1: we just we had no idea. We thought this corner
Speaker 1: would slip and he ended up being the rookie of
Speaker 1: the year. But it's funny how those things can happen,
Speaker 1: you know, in after working him out in uh in college,
Speaker 1: we like we crept out of town. We got on
Speaker 1: the owner's plane. We didn't take let anyone see us.
Speaker 1: It was a private work. Uh it was. It was that.
Speaker 1: It was that good. I'm talking about Patrick. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, you just you know these draft day things.
Speaker 1: I remember the Cowboys. I thought they were going to
Speaker 1: take Johnny Manziel and I'm like, oh my god, you know,
Speaker 1: because Jerry's gonna get involved in this, remember yep, I remember,
Speaker 1: oh man right right. Well, here's the thing. The funny
Speaker 1: thing about all of that, The funny thing about all
Speaker 1: of that, what would the year draft day came out? Oh,
Speaker 1: the Costner movie, PAULI googled it twenty fourteen. All right,
Speaker 1: what was the Man's l draft? Twenty twelve? Has it
Speaker 1: been that long? Twenty twelve? Oh? No, same year. No,
Speaker 1: it's same year, coach, twenty fourteen, same year, That's what
Speaker 1: I thought. So And in the movie, in the movie,
Speaker 1: I think the Browns go with the scout. The Costner
Speaker 1: graded player as opposed to and in real life they
Speaker 1: passed on bow Wallace. They put passed on bow Wallace,
Speaker 1: and they took Mac the linebacker, right, and you recall
Speaker 1: they tested bow Wallace, and you know they had all
Speaker 1: these little things. If you turn to page forty eight
Speaker 1: and you see this, send it back to us. And
Speaker 1: they knew he didn't look at the playbook, and they
Speaker 1: worried about his leadership, blah blah blah. And then in
Speaker 1: real life was Manzell bow Wallace. Now, listen, I remember
Speaker 1: a little bit. I I wasn't a part of the
Speaker 1: Manziel draft. What was Manzille's year? It was twelfth season.
Speaker 1: I remember I was coming back from suspension, and look,
Speaker 1: I followed his season. It was magnificent. I spent time
Speaker 1: with Johnny actually discussed and spent some time about bringing
Speaker 1: him in here for you know, this was years ago
Speaker 1: when the Super Bowl was in Houston and h and
Speaker 1: so I think, look, are we root for guys like
Speaker 1: we root for like all right, what's the best thing
Speaker 1: he can do? And let's do those things with him
Speaker 1: and let's see him have success. We root for players,
Speaker 1: we don't root against and son. But I just thought
Speaker 1: there was some irony the movie The Cleveland Browns, and
Speaker 1: I mean it was, it was, it was right at
Speaker 1: the same time, Hey, it's great to talk to us always.
Speaker 1: We appreciate when you join us. And I hope there's
Speaker 1: no sequel to this movie because that means you get
Speaker 1: suspended again. So uh wait, you're not laughing. I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope there's no people as well to say thank you, coach,
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. All right, Dan, that's your friendship Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: Saint's head coach. We'll unpack some of those take a
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Speaker 1: But talking about the officials, they should be full time
Speaker 1: and he knows and we should all know that we're
Speaker 1: headed towards something really big. If one of these officials
Speaker 1: and officiating crew blows, imagine you know where we're headed
Speaker 1: with gambling. If you had the Rams Saints again, with
Speaker 1: what happened to the Saints in New Orleans with that
Speaker 1: play in the playoffs. The amount of money, like you
Speaker 1: just you can't do that. You got to have full
Speaker 1: time officials if you're going to have billions and billions
Speaker 1: of dollars at stake with gambling, just the perception that
Speaker 1: you are valuing the ambler the NFL. You know, the
Speaker 1: optics of that is, hey, we got full time officials. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean, what's it costing you? Gambling is going to
Speaker 1: make you billions? What's it going to cost you to
Speaker 1: make your officials full time? I mean we're just starting
Speaker 1: with gambling. But imagine you get suspended and it cost
Speaker 1: you eight million dollars and then he goes back and
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Speaker 1: before we hit the music, Underdogs you should bet on
Speaker 1: this week and moving forward the rest of the season. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I think I actually have a system here, oh a
Speaker 1: reason that can inform your strategy. All the teams that
Speaker 1: traded away their first round pick will try harder the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. Right, the non tanking teams I
Speaker 1: call them. The tanking teams are going to play for
Speaker 1: a higher pick. The Dolphins gave away their pick. They're
Speaker 1: about to get red hot. They play the Jets this week.
Speaker 1: The Bears gave away their pick for Justin Fields. I
Speaker 1: am calling the upset. They play the Ravens in Chicago.
Speaker 1: You know the Ravens don't have running backs? Then, no,
Speaker 1: they haven't. They they got a running quarterback. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the Bears defense is good. I think the Bears. They're
Speaker 1: six point dogs at home. That's crazy. The Niners gave
Speaker 1: away their pick. They for Trey Lance. They're at Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: They're about to go five and five. You think they're
Speaker 1: gonna beat Jacksonville? I think so? Kay? Is that? Oh
Speaker 1: no not? What are your feelings? Okay? And the last one,
Speaker 1: the Cults probably trade away the first round for Carson Wentz. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you realize they won four or five and they're
Speaker 1: only loss was overtime to the Titans, the best team
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Yeah, that's a really good team and
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