WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: How Theremins Work

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer at

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<v Speaker 1>how Stuff Works and I love all things tech. And

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<v Speaker 1>it is a Riday that means it's time for a rerun.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I mean a classic episode. That's what you

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<v Speaker 1>call it, classy. This classic episode originally aired on August

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eleven. This is how Thereman's work, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was appropriate because we're coming up on Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>and I always think of theremans as being sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a halloween ish kind of musical instrument because it makes

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<v Speaker 1>that why noise. You'll hear a lot of me doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>and also Chris Palette, my co host when we recorded

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. So enjoy because this is one of those

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<v Speaker 1>crazy invent chins. I can't believe someone thought of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It involves electro magnetism and lots of careful movements. It

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<v Speaker 1>is very easy to make noise on a theramin. It

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<v Speaker 1>is much harder to make music on one. And I

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<v Speaker 1>got to see someone make wonderful music on it just

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<v Speaker 1>the other day. So I hope you guys enjoy this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll talk to you again in a moment. First,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into why we're going to do this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>This comes to us courtesy of a Google Plus suggestion.

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<v Speaker 1>This suggestion comes to us from Mary who and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to truncate her message a bit because she actually

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<v Speaker 1>had quite a long with lots of different suggestions, but

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<v Speaker 1>starts off with you may be interested to know. I,

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<v Speaker 1>for one, am not tech savvy, at least compared to

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a rhetoric major, should have graduated when I was twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>and German guten tag Mary. Aside from being a pro vocalist,

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<v Speaker 1>my real job is teaching English to disadvantaged and academically

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<v Speaker 1>struggling eighth graders, which is amazing. I also tad college

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<v Speaker 1>mostly college students, some high school, a few middle school

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<v Speaker 1>primarily seeing me for writing instruction or literary interpretation analysis

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<v Speaker 1>and historical analysis with embosses on reading comprehension. Apparently I

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<v Speaker 1>need to take that at any rate. Mary then goes

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<v Speaker 1>on to give several suggestions, the last of which is finally,

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<v Speaker 1>more music stuff for those of us who missed the

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<v Speaker 1>B side, r I P programs like able to end

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<v Speaker 1>pro tools, HD electronics like d being Thereman, and the

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<v Speaker 1>very awesome react table you can see on YouTube worthy

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<v Speaker 1>of its own podcast. While all of that is true,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to do a Thereman podcast. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know that stuff from the Beast. I did one as well,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're really going to dive down and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>with Thereman. It's his story how it works, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know the what's the basis behind? It's pretty interesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I said, the song I quoted at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning actually does feature a Thereman. Oh so and and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to help people who want to learn more about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the stuff we're talking about today on how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works. We don't have how Thereman's work yet, although

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<v Speaker 1>I do believe it's actually gone out as an assignment.

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<v Speaker 1>We do have how amplifiers work, and that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a very important part of our conversation. At some point.

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<v Speaker 1>We do have an article on the Thereman However, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we do have articles on the Thereman, just not one

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<v Speaker 1>that specifically breaks down how it works. Yet, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think by the time this podcast goes live, we

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<v Speaker 1>may that may have changed. But I know that there

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<v Speaker 1>is an assignment out there somewhere, floating out in the ether.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not me. I'm not the one writing it so

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<v Speaker 1>or at least it hasn't been assigned to me. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's start talking about the history here. You wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to UH talk about our buddy Leo Leon Thereman, actually

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<v Speaker 1>Lev Sergeyevitch Terman, who was a scientist and inventor. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a little information about Mr Thereman from Britannica,

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<v Speaker 1>always a good source for the biographical on these inventors. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He lived in UH in St. Petersburg and uh Florida, Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>He was well, he was born there in and died

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<v Speaker 1>in Moscow, Florida, No, North Dakota in nine three. I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if there is a Moscow not anyway. UM. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny that you would say out of the ether

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<v Speaker 1>because the original name for this device was the ether

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<v Speaker 1>a phone, but it was later renamed to be the Thereman,

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<v Speaker 1>and UH basically it's it's known for the way you

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<v Speaker 1>play it, unlike pretty much every other kind of instrument

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<v Speaker 1>I can think of where you actually need to touch

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<v Speaker 1>it to do this. The thereman, you specifically do not

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<v Speaker 1>touch UM. I knew a lot of people who have

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<v Speaker 1>that same policy. But yes, no, you're you're absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Derriman has played without touching it. Yep. And he actually

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<v Speaker 1>played it for for Lenin in nineteen twenty two and

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<v Speaker 1>and for Albert Einstein in UM patented the instrument in

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<v Speaker 1>in New York in UM, and then he went into

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other stuff. He UH tried to work

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<v Speaker 1>on other musical instruments and UH worked on an electronic

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<v Speaker 1>security system for prisons. UM ended up in a Siberian

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<v Speaker 1>labor camp in the Soviet Union. Yeah, it's uh. He was.

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<v Speaker 1>He did work did some work for a in a

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<v Speaker 1>military lab during World War Two where he was working

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<v Speaker 1>on UH naval tracking systems and remote controls UM and

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<v Speaker 1>even on spy technology and eavesdropping device for the KGB. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>He got the Stalin Prize for that. UM. Smart guy

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<v Speaker 1>is what we're talking about here. Yeah. Yeah. He became

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<v Speaker 1>a professor of acoustics at the Moscow conservat tory Um

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, had done a lot of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different kinds of electronics work. So certainly Um

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<v Speaker 1>a very interesting person. But you know, I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably best known. I don't think anyone would argue that

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<v Speaker 1>he's best known for the ether a phone, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the Thereman. Yes, since it does, since it does actually

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<v Speaker 1>bear his name, or at least the Western version of

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<v Speaker 1>his name. And before we go any further, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it might might behoove us to to have a little

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<v Speaker 1>a little listen to to what a thereman sounds like.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the sound of the Theoreman. Now, listeners

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<v Speaker 1>may have recognized that from various songs, and really I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I think what that always reminds me of as all

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<v Speaker 1>all those like nineteen fifties science fiction films and TV

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<v Speaker 1>series that either used a theoreman or use some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of other effect to create a theoreman like sound as

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<v Speaker 1>part of the sound track. Because not everything that that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a theremin is in fact a thereman. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most famous songs that people tend to

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<v Speaker 1>say had a thereman and it did not is Good

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<v Speaker 1>Vibrations by the Beach Boys, almost said beast boys, this

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<v Speaker 1>is that's for you yet, I haven't had enough coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Is good vibrations by the Beastie Boys and that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been hilarious and wrong. But anyway, yeah, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a thereman used in that song. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a totally different instrument. Actually, it's called tannerin although

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it does it does have a similar sound

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<v Speaker 1>to it, but you actually do play that by touching. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you slide your finger on it, and depending on where

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<v Speaker 1>you're touching it, it it you know, produces a different sound.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you were to look at a theorem and

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<v Speaker 1>you would immediately see that the I guess the most

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<v Speaker 1>notable feature is that it's you know, depending upon the

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<v Speaker 1>design of it, it's gonna look like some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a box. But from that box, you're gonna see a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of antenna and one traditionally, one antenna is vertical

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<v Speaker 1>aligned to the box, so it's it's up and down,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a second antenna seems tends to come out

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the box. It's horizontal and it's in

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<v Speaker 1>a loop. And using your hands moving them close to

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<v Speaker 1>and further away those antenna that's what controls the sound

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<v Speaker 1>that comes out of the theoreman. Yeah. You you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always good to adjusted a little bit to the left,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get the get the picture just right right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, I'm sorry, I was thinking of a different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of antenna. Yeah, no, it's yeah, it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit ears. Um. Yeah. In fact, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>We should mention that this is these antenna are not

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<v Speaker 1>designed to pick up any sort of radio frequency. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not the purpose of the antenna. We'll get into that

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<v Speaker 1>when we start getting into the actual uh ways that

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<v Speaker 1>the the theoreman works. So do you said you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to talk a little bit at one point about songs

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<v Speaker 1>that you may have heard or perhaps even other ways

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<v Speaker 1>that you may have heard a thereman. Well, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I wasn't really a subscriber to XM Radio, the

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<v Speaker 1>satellite radio service here in the United States, and they

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<v Speaker 1>used to have a channel called Special X where they

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<v Speaker 1>would play all kinds of strange and unusual things. And

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<v Speaker 1>they actually had, believe it or not, a whole show

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<v Speaker 1>devoted to music from the Theoreman. And so they were

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<v Speaker 1>all these and again, you're right, period records from like

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<v Speaker 1>the fifties and stuff where there were uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>thereman songs that they were playing entire pieces on the

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<v Speaker 1>theorem and and actually you could find a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff on on YouTube. I've seen people I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>theremin orchestras, wow, where there are different people playing songs

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<v Speaker 1>and they have different parts. So everybody's got a different

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of doing it. And it's it sounds kind of

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<v Speaker 1>random when you just hear the sections and segments and

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<v Speaker 1>other songs and pop songs and things like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>you you know, people you can actually play this as

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<v Speaker 1>a musical instrument. And so I've I've heard a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that kind of stuff. Uh, I'm trying to think

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<v Speaker 1>of something specific. Do you have a favorite thereman song

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<v Speaker 1>other than the one that you quoted before, other than

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<v Speaker 1>the one I quoted before and not really, um, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are other songs that have used it. They're actually uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it's for me. The thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>think about are all those those like The Day the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth Stood Still? That would be a famous film that

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<v Speaker 1>used a theoreman as a sound effect. Uh. There there

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<v Speaker 1>was a theremin used at least in some versions of

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<v Speaker 1>the theme to Star Trek, although most of the time

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<v Speaker 1>that was actually a vocalist who did that effect. But

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in in one or two versions of that

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<v Speaker 1>you can hear a thereman being used. Um So, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that there are bands that experiment and they'll throw

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<v Speaker 1>that in the mix, and it may even be that

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a minor part of the song where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not meant to take the forefront of the melody

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. It's just another another layer of

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<v Speaker 1>complexity within a song itself. Chris and I have more

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<v Speaker 1>to say about how thereman's work in just a second,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess we can now talk about what a

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<v Speaker 1>theoreman does, like how does it make that sound? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it that when you put your hand closer

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<v Speaker 1>to or further away from, one antenna changes the pitch

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<v Speaker 1>and the other one controls the volume. That's by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the vertical one is the pitch antenna and the horizontal

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<v Speaker 1>one is the volume antenna. Awesome, Actually it's uh it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny because uh, typically you think of making music with

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<v Speaker 1>an instrument as you wanted to sound as clear as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Um And in the opportunity to play a thereman, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>realize that uh uh, it's actually all about creating interference

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<v Speaker 1>because these uh, these antennae um actually have an electromagnetic

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<v Speaker 1>field that and you're interfering with that by coming closer

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<v Speaker 1>and moving farther away to different degrees. So really what's

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<v Speaker 1>what you're hearing is the sound of the interference with

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<v Speaker 1>the machine. Yeah, it's actually to to dive down into this.

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<v Speaker 1>The way this works is that you've got coils of

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<v Speaker 1>wire inside the theorem and that are generating electromagnetic field

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<v Speaker 1>and that is propagated along the antenna. And so with

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<v Speaker 1>the case of the pitch antenna, you have two different

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<v Speaker 1>um uh like two different oscillators creating this electromagnetic field.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them is a steady frequency, the other one's

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<v Speaker 1>variable frequency, and the variable frequency all depends upon your

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<v Speaker 1>hand coming into contact with or not contact but coming

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<v Speaker 1>closer or are moving further away from the pitch antenna. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>What will happen then is that the frequencies from these

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<v Speaker 1>two different oscillators will mix. And this is a process

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<v Speaker 1>that we call heterodyning. And heterodyning is you you process

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<v Speaker 1>these these signal and you take uh. Typically you can

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<v Speaker 1>get lots of different um um results from combining signals,

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<v Speaker 1>but typically you look at the sum and the difference,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you choose, you filter one out and you

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the other. And in this case we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the difference because the the frequencies that are generated

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<v Speaker 1>by these oscillators are too high for human hearing. But

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<v Speaker 1>the difference is not um So if you are creating

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<v Speaker 1>a variation in one frequency and the other frequency is

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<v Speaker 1>remaining constant. Uh, when you take the difference of that

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<v Speaker 1>and you take that signal, that signal is then within

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<v Speaker 1>the range of human hearing. And because you've got that

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<v Speaker 1>one variable frequency, you can change the pitch. So and

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<v Speaker 1>it all has to do with, of course the capacitance

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<v Speaker 1>that we have. You know, human beings, we have a

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<v Speaker 1>capacitance and uh, it's really most mostly based on body mass.

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<v Speaker 1>So um. There's another interesting point is that if you

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<v Speaker 1>have two different people playing the same theraman, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to quickly find out like to let let's say take

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<v Speaker 1>one tiny little person and one huge person. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>got ham hands and you've got little dainty fingers. Little

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<v Speaker 1>dainty fingers comes up there and starts playing the theraman

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<v Speaker 1>and realizes that when they when their dainty fingers get

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<v Speaker 1>within a certain distance of the antenna a particular pitches played.

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<v Speaker 1>Then ham Hands comes up and starts to play, and

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<v Speaker 1>then realizes very quickly that it's a different distance for

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<v Speaker 1>ham hands to get to that antenna to to make

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<v Speaker 1>that same pitch. And it has to do with the

0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.920
<v Speaker 1>mass of the of of ham hands. So uh, you know,

0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.720
<v Speaker 1>it's two people playing the same theraman are going to

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<v Speaker 1>find out that they can't mimic one another's motions and

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<v Speaker 1>get the exact same sound. It's going to be different

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<v Speaker 1>based upon the actual size of the musician and all.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, that all has to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>capacitance that we as humans actually have ourselves. So we

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<v Speaker 1>interfere with that electromagnetic field the frequency combine in the

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<v Speaker 1>heterodyning process, as I've said, As I mentioned, we filter

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<v Speaker 1>out the sum we take the difference of those two frequencies. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and that signal is what creates the pitch. Now, even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's within the range of human hearing, Uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't really hear it very well unless you put it

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<v Speaker 1>through an amplification process, which we'll have to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in a second. And the second antenna. The volume antenna

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<v Speaker 1>really just has the one oscillator and then there's a

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<v Speaker 1>steady uh voltage being applied further in. And what happens

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<v Speaker 1>is when you move your hand closer to that antenna,

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<v Speaker 1>you are interrupting the first the signal from the first oscillator,

0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that electromagnetic field. And as you interrupt the electromagetic magnetic field,

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<v Speaker 1>the signal becomes weaker, which ends up being a control

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<v Speaker 1>on the volume. So, in other words, the closer your

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<v Speaker 1>hand gets to that second antenna, the quieter the sound

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<v Speaker 1>will be. You might think that, you know, you would

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<v Speaker 1>want to get your hand closer to make the sound

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<v Speaker 1>go up, but it's exactly the opposite. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>put your hand close to the antenna, that sounds going

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<v Speaker 1>to be very low. And as you take your hand

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<v Speaker 1>away from that antenna, the horizontal antenna, the volume increases,

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<v Speaker 1>so the pitch will remain the same, assuming that your

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<v Speaker 1>other hand is is steady. And and also I should

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<v Speaker 1>mention when you watch people play the theremin, especially people

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<v Speaker 1>who have just started to play, you might notice them

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<v Speaker 1>moving their hands up and down the the length of

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<v Speaker 1>the vertical antenna that really doesn't have much of an effect.

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<v Speaker 1>It can change the pitch a little bit, but the

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<v Speaker 1>real change in pitch has to do with the distance

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<v Speaker 1>from the antenna. So you can keep your hands steady

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<v Speaker 1>at the same level respective to the vertical antenna and

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<v Speaker 1>just change the the distance your hand is from that

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<v Speaker 1>antenna and that would change the pitch. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to move your hand up and down the length of

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<v Speaker 1>the antenna in order to change it. Because you really

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<v Speaker 1>need both hands to operate the well, yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>because you have to. I mean because otherwise you would

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<v Speaker 1>just have a steady volume time, right, So you need

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be able to, uh, you know, have

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<v Speaker 1>both hands free to operate the theoremans. You know, both

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<v Speaker 1>the pitch and the volume. Um. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it can also depend not only on the person,

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<v Speaker 1>but on the instrument itself. No, sure, yeah you can.

0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.719
<v Speaker 1>You can actually tune a theoreman as well. And that

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<v Speaker 1>that all has to do with the electronics that are

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<v Speaker 1>inside the theoremin because depending upon the electronic components you've

0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.919
<v Speaker 1>put in there and the the frequency difference between the

0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:35.120
<v Speaker 1>variable frequency and the steady frequency. Uh, you you will

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<v Speaker 1>have a certain octave range that that thereman is capable

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<v Speaker 1>of playing and uh, and sometimes that octave range can

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<v Speaker 1>be quite uh large, very large range. But that means

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to have even more control when you're

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<v Speaker 1>playing it. Uh, that that tiny changes in the distance

0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.399
<v Speaker 1>between your hand and the antenna will result in fairly

0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.439
<v Speaker 1>significant changes in pitch, which is why the theremin is

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<v Speaker 1>one of those instruments that's know, you can step right

0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.000
<v Speaker 1>up and start playing it uh and have fun making

0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:05.760
<v Speaker 1>weird noises, but if you want to be able to

0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.159
<v Speaker 1>actually play a tune with with regularity, it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of practice. It's one of those really difficult to masterpieces.

0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.040
<v Speaker 1>And uh. I actually have a list of some of

0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.080
<v Speaker 1>the components that are in a typical theraman if you

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<v Speaker 1>would like to hear. Sure. Okay, so we've got the

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<v Speaker 1>two antenna. As I mentioned before, the the volume antenna

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<v Speaker 1>is actually a loop. It looks like a semicircle that's

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<v Speaker 1>attached to the horizontal side one of the horizontal sides

0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:35.040
<v Speaker 1>of the theremin itself. There The reason for that design

0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:40.280
<v Speaker 1>is that the old thermans were all based on vacuum

0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.639
<v Speaker 1>tube technology, is before solid state technology was really a

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<v Speaker 1>thing at all. The first Theraman and so um in

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<v Speaker 1>order to be able to make this antenna and have

0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.240
<v Speaker 1>it fit with the old system, you actually had to

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<v Speaker 1>create this loop so as you had the right antenna

0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:02.200
<v Speaker 1>length without interfering with the other electronic components of the device.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though we've reached a point now where most

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<v Speaker 1>modern theramans still use vacuum tubes at least in some capacity,

0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about that a little bit. Ha Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>But Chris, I'm sure we'll have something to say about

0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.919
<v Speaker 1>using vacuum tubes as opposed to solid state. Being the

0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.720
<v Speaker 1>musician you would, you would know more about this than

0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I do. But in general, it has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>sound quality. So there are still vacuum tubes used in

0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.840
<v Speaker 1>most modern theramans, but they also involve some solid state

0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.760
<v Speaker 1>electronic components now, which means that you no longer would

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<v Speaker 1>have to do that loop um to achieve the same effect.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think a lot of a lot of theramin

0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.600
<v Speaker 1>designers like to use it anyway, just kind of as

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<v Speaker 1>a throwback to the original theraman. So it's almost like

0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.359
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like a traditional thing at this point. I

0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.840
<v Speaker 1>hope you guys are enjoying the spooky classic episode the

0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.919
<v Speaker 1>Bupha Thereman's work. But though we're going to listen to

0:19:52.960 --> 0:20:04.600
<v Speaker 1>a word from an advertiser. Boh. So inside the theremin,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to find typically a pair of chassis. One

0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.360
<v Speaker 1>chassis is gonna be for your electromagnetic components, and this

0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.879
<v Speaker 1>is where this is what generates that electromagnetic field for

0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.440
<v Speaker 1>both of the antenna UM. You would normally find three

0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.480
<v Speaker 1>oscillators in there. You would find two oscillators for the pitch,

0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:27.520
<v Speaker 1>one oscillator for the volume. UH. The this chassis often

0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.440
<v Speaker 1>called an upper chassis, and a lot of the theramans

0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I've looked at UH is has to be separated from

0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the other chassis, which has the amplification and power UH

0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.520
<v Speaker 1>elements to it, because otherwise the electromagnetic field would interfere

0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:43.320
<v Speaker 1>with the operation of those elements. All right. So the

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.040
<v Speaker 1>lower chassis where you get the power coming into the

0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:51.639
<v Speaker 1>device UH, and you have the amplification oscillators and usually

0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:56.360
<v Speaker 1>we use triodes and that you probably have heard of diodes. Diodes,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, are those electronic components that allow electrons to

0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.720
<v Speaker 1>pass through one way but not back yet. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>one way lane. It allows electron UH flow in one direction.

0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Only Triads are a little different. Triads are well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of vacuum tube and and from a superficial level,

0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.920
<v Speaker 1>they resemble a light bulb. And the way a triode

0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:22.200
<v Speaker 1>works is that there are typically three elements within a triode,

0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.360
<v Speaker 1>which makes sense when you hear the name. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>the cathode, which is the part of the triad that

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<v Speaker 1>that will shed electrons. You've got a grid of some

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<v Speaker 1>sort that will control the flow of electrons. It kind

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<v Speaker 1>of acts as like a gate in a way. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you have the anode, which is where the electrons

0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.719
<v Speaker 1>want to get too, because it has a positive charge. Now,

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.720
<v Speaker 1>remember electrons have a negative charge, so negative wants to

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.280
<v Speaker 1>be attracted. It is attracted to positive. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>a positive element on one side, a negative element on

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<v Speaker 1>the another side, and a gate in the middle to

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<v Speaker 1>control the flow. And that's the basis behind um the triode. Now,

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.159
<v Speaker 1>in order to control the flow of electrons, what you

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.359
<v Speaker 1>have to do is you hook up that gate to

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.960
<v Speaker 1>a source of electricity. All right, Now, if you're generating

0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.200
<v Speaker 1>electricity and you're you're putting a current through that gate,

0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.439
<v Speaker 1>that means you're putting negative electrons through the gate. Now

0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>that's going to repel the electrons coming out of the cathode.

0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:20.359
<v Speaker 1>All right, so you've got the cathode. Let's imagine that

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the cathodes on the left hand side, and in the

0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.000
<v Speaker 1>middle is this gate that has electrons running through it,

0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and on the right you have the anode. Now, the

0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the current that you're putting through that gate is going

0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 1>to vary because that's your input. That's that's the signal

0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:38.160
<v Speaker 1>that's going into like when you're making a sound electronically

0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.520
<v Speaker 1>speaking into a microphone or playing a musical instrument that's

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 1>plugged into this amplifier. So it's a variable frequency again,

0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.200
<v Speaker 1>a variable current and uh and so sometimes the current

0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 1>is going to be is going to allow a certain

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.560
<v Speaker 1>number of electrons through because there's you know, you as

0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:57.359
<v Speaker 1>you build up the h the charge on the cathode side,

0:22:57.480 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 1>some electrons are gonna pass through that gate. Is gonna

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:01.800
<v Speaker 1>be s long enough energy for it to go through

0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the gate. Other times, the the signal is going to

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 1>be lower, it's gonna allow more electrons through. That's the

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:11.679
<v Speaker 1>whole basis of the amplifier. So the cathode looks like

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 1>a filament you have to in order to make electrons

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:18.200
<v Speaker 1>shed you have to add energy into this system. So

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 1>and this is a rather than the variable source which

0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:25.120
<v Speaker 1>is what we see in the gate, this is a

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.680
<v Speaker 1>steady power source that's going into the cathode. So it

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 1>heats up this filament which gives off light. Depending upon

0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:34.680
<v Speaker 1>what kind of vacuum tube it is, it may be

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a different color, like a lot of them are kind

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.200
<v Speaker 1>of an orange ish color. If you're talking about a

0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 1>vacuum tube for like a big power system, it tends

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to burn white hot, but that's when it starts to

0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 1>shed thousands and thousands of electrons. The energy from the

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.600
<v Speaker 1>electricity is enough to break the electrons free from their

0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 1>shells and then they will go toward the positively charged anode.

0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:02.240
<v Speaker 1>So that is the basis. You just got a it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a podcast within a podcast that was a basic

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.760
<v Speaker 1>electronics of what a triot is and what it does.

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 1>We're really vacuum tubes in general, although there are other

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:13.439
<v Speaker 1>kinds of vacuum tubes besides tryouts, they're not it's not

0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:15.960
<v Speaker 1>a one to one, you know. Tryout is just one

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.240
<v Speaker 1>type of vacuum tube, all right. So you've got several

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 1>of those in there acting as amplifiers. UM. And then

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you've also got your your power source, you've got your capacitors,

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:31.440
<v Speaker 1>you've got resistors UM, and then you've got the antenna.

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I've already spoken about those as well, and the copper

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:38.439
<v Speaker 1>coils which generate the electromagnetic field. Those are your basic

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:41.600
<v Speaker 1>components that all together make up the guts of the

0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 1>thereman and there Actually, I've seen videos online that kind

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:48.640
<v Speaker 1>of give an overall view of how to build a theraman,

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.119
<v Speaker 1>and they're also a theramin kits out there if you

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 1>want to try and make your own. UM, it's an

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 1>interesting project, I understand. Like even the guy who was

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I was watching these videos, the guy who built olds

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:03.480
<v Speaker 1>the theorem and actually said, um, I could build them,

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 1>but I can't play them. So he said he loves

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 1>he enjoys building them, and he tends to build them

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 1>for other people like like bands and stuff that are

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>interested in using the thereman. Well, um, anyone interested in

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.120
<v Speaker 1>in playing the thereman should check out an article that

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Jane mcgrathrope for the website called how to play a

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 1>theoreman um and she actually quoted some of the people

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<v Speaker 1>who are well known theoreminists thereminist dereman players. They come

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<v Speaker 1>from the future. It's terrible. Uh. Lydia Kavina is one. Uh.

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:46.920
<v Speaker 1>She actually studied under Leon thereman um and basically had

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that it's good to keep your feet about a

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<v Speaker 1>foot apart zero point three meters UM. But it really

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<v Speaker 1>depends on the theoreman and uh, you know, and how

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<v Speaker 1>far you want to stand away from and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned, the capacitance of the person playing it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But generally depending on the number of octaves available um

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.159
<v Speaker 1>in that theorem, and I mean the the range of

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:16.639
<v Speaker 1>the theorem, and uh, you might have to stand farther

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>away if it has a greater range um, according to

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>uh um Miss Cavina Um. Also, apparently you can actually

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.719
<v Speaker 1>tune the device yourself by putting your right hand at

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>your shoulder or I guess your left hand, depending on

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.239
<v Speaker 1>how you're playing it. So you start with your hand

0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>at your shoulder regardless UM. And then just uh she said,

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the idea is you need to play the song slowly

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>when you're getting started, because um, it takes a while

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:50.440
<v Speaker 1>to get used to uh controlling the pitch that you're

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to to make if you're actually trying to play

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 1>a song and melody with it um and Uh. Clara

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<v Speaker 1>Rockmore another person that UM Jane quoted in her article

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 1>and basically said that you have to be very conscious

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.400
<v Speaker 1>of what you're doing with your body. Um. You know,

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.880
<v Speaker 1>as a percussionist, I tend to groove a little bit,

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, start getting into it and bobbing and getting

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>into the motion. That can affect the way you're playing,

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>because the theremin is uh going by your body movement

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>and how close you are to it. So anything any

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>other stray movement is going to affect the sound coming

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 1>out of the theraman. So you have to be very

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 1>careful um, and you have to be very conscious of

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing when you're when you're trying to play that.

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, posture and and uh, stray movements can affect it.

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot different from saying a guitar where you

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>have a string that, assuming it's properly tuned, when you

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 1>play that string while pressing down at a certain threat,

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>it's always going to produce the same note, right. Uh,

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>there's there's no variation there. But with the thereman, it's

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 1>all about the distance between and the antenna and uh

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>and and not and and again your your body mess.

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>So while two different people can pick up the same

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>guitar and play the same series of notes just following

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the same threads, that wouldn't necessarily be the same story

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.199
<v Speaker 1>if they were trying to play a theramin and standing

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 1>at the same distance from the device. Just pretty interesting

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to me. Um. You know, I had mentioned also about

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the amplifiers using vacuum tubes and that that tends to

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 1>be a preference. Would you like to to weigh in

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>a little bit as a musician about that, Well, you

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 1>know it, it kind of depends on the sound you're getting,

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, Um, most of the musicians and whom I

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>rarely talk to people about using a theraman in a band,

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:48.719
<v Speaker 1>but I mean vacuum tubes and amplifiers in general, vacuum tubes.

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Most of what I've heard people say is that they

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:54.959
<v Speaker 1>feel that vacuum tubes produce a warmer sound, which is

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the yeah, and again it's it's really in the ear

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>of the listener. To be honest, you might say that

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>solid state produces a flatter sound, And I mean, these

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 1>are all terms that don't really have a way of

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:09.719
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to it's hard to put it in a

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:11.959
<v Speaker 1>measurable sense. But it is. It is one of those

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>things that when you start listening to it, you say,

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what that does? It just sounds better? Yeah,

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>you know. And uh. And even today, a lot of

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>amps out there for various musical instruments, not just the one,

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 1>not just the amplifiers that you'll find in theirman still

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>use vacuum tubes, even though the technology otherwise has almost disappeared.

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Solid state era. Yeah, well solid state too. I mean

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you turn on a solid state device amplifier whatever, um,

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be on a lot quicker. Yeah, it

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to warm up. Yeah, and a vacuum tube

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>device will um and you can and you can see

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 1>it too, if you have, if you could see through

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>like I have, for example, I have a vacuum tube

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>amplifier and a solid state amplifier. Um. You turn it

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 1>on and at first the vacuu tubes, you know, look

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 1>as though they are you know, they would win the

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>devices off, and then they start to glow and you

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 1>could see that things are coming on. And you could

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>turn on a source of sound, say you know, uh,

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>turntable or a tune or radio tuner, and at first

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>you won't hear anything, and as the vacuum tubes warm up,

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, the amplifier will begin to play the music

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>because you're actually coming online, but it takes them a while.

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Um makes me think of the the beginning of the

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>documentary Back to the Future. Yeahs turning on all the apps, right,

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>yea documentary. It's a good one. Yeah, but uh yeah,

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's funny though, because it's sort of

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>like vinyl for a lot of musicians too, because for

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the vacuum tube manufacturers almost became extinct,

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and as time has worn on and people have said,

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I really like the way that that works.

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I like the sound that I get from vacuum tube amps.

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Or you know, I had this other thing that uses

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>vacuum tubes and I really like it. I actually have

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>a ham and organ that uses um vacuum tubes too,

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and you know, without some manufacturer, you know, so these

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 1>things have have stayed in production, even though solid state

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>for a while it looked like it was going to

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>knock it out. But yeah, and just like U, just

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>like an incandescent light bulb, vacuum tubes will eventually burn out.

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>They uh, I mean it's it's not going to be

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>super fast or anything. But that's why it's important that

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>these industries still exist, because otherwise we would have a

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>finite number that and once we got to the end

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>of it, that would be it. So I guess we

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>should be thankful for devices like the Thereman and guitar

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:43.640
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0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:47.760
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