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Speaker 1: important cars in the world are our first cars. These
Speaker 1: were the cars that gave us our first real taste
Speaker 1: of freedom, not to mention our first taste of the
Speaker 1: late night Taco Bell drive through. First cars are important
Speaker 1: enough to us here at Car Show that we're going
Speaker 1: to mix it up this week and do a couple
Speaker 1: of interviews with two of our favorite polymaths, Lake Bell
Speaker 1: and Rob Kordry. Lake and Rob are actors, writers, directors,
Speaker 1: and voice artists. To these multi hyphenets, we add car people.
Speaker 1: They're going to tell us about their first cars and
Speaker 1: how formative they were to their lives and careers. I'm
Speaker 1: Eddie Alterman. On this special Hollywood episode of Car Show,
Speaker 1: we delve into the automotive lives of these two committed gearheads.
Speaker 1: First up, is Lake Bell. You might know her as
Speaker 1: Agnes Adler in the movie It's Complicated or as the
Speaker 1: voice of Katrina peanut Butter in BoJack Horsemen. She also
Speaker 1: wrote and directed the film In a World. Lake's car
Speaker 1: enthusiasm runs in the family. She grew up in Florida
Speaker 1: and New York, and her dad, Harvey Siegel, is a
Speaker 1: collector of Shelby Cobras and special Fords like the GT
Speaker 1: forty and the Shelby Mustang KR. In our conversation, Lake
Speaker 1: talks about everything from the car that sparked her obsession
Speaker 1: with Italian medal to finally mastering the manual transmission. But
Speaker 1: first we play my favorite parlor game. Guess that first car.
Speaker 1: Do you mean the first card that I purchased with
Speaker 1: my own money or the car that I was generously
Speaker 1: given from my father the car that you were given
Speaker 1: from your father? Okay? So that tells me something. So
Speaker 1: let me ask you a couple of questions. Did you
Speaker 1: start driving in New York City or in Florida, Florida? Okay?
Speaker 1: Was it domestic or import? Import? And it was your
Speaker 1: dad's car? No alease? Okay, give me three guesses. BMW
Speaker 1: three series convertible, No, sir, to this day, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm not a convertible person. But you're kind of going
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. To be honest, Really, you're giving
Speaker 1: Harvey too much credit. So Honda Civic no warmer. Warmer
Speaker 1: in the sense that it's less exotic and less sort
Speaker 1: of rich kitty, but still but little a sprinkle of
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a great privilege in the car
Speaker 1: that I have. It's getting tough. Well, let me let
Speaker 1: me say this. It's I mean, if you're a father
Speaker 1: and you don't want your daughter getting in a in
Speaker 1: a bender, you know, a fender bender or whatnot after
Speaker 1: a bender? What what would you want her to drive?
Speaker 1: Would you want her to be in a in a
Speaker 1: two door? No? Would you want her to be even
Speaker 1: in a sedan? Probably not. If you're really neurotic in
Speaker 1: you're Jewish and you're from New York, you're gonna want
Speaker 1: an suv. You want to put some metal around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want her a little higher up? So was it
Speaker 1: a Nissan pathbinder? Closer? See, now you're in the pocket.
Speaker 1: Now you're in the zone. We almost got that one
Speaker 1: floor runner. Okay, there he is got it. Yes, I
Speaker 1: got it. Okay, Forerunner, that's a great choice. He got
Speaker 1: me the Forerunner, and it was boy, it was terrific.
Speaker 1: But I will say there was one kicker about it,
Speaker 1: which is just ironic really, given that it is the Forerunner.
Speaker 1: He got the two wheel drive, didn't mean yeah. But
Speaker 1: then I ended up going to Skidmore for a year.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something. Upstate New York, I
Speaker 1: bought a lot of kitty litter for the back for
Speaker 1: the trunk. Let me tell you didn't have a cat.
Speaker 1: Didn't have a cat, but you put snow tires on it, right,
Speaker 1: you know what we put There was like a lot
Speaker 1: of talk of putting chains on the tires, which, you know,
Speaker 1: the eighteen year old version of myself I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to I don't even know where
Speaker 1: to begin with that, Like I don't know, like who
Speaker 1: am I gonna go to? I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: It seems like a big you know, because then you
Speaker 1: would drive into the city and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you got chains on your tire, and what I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to take them all? Yeah, you just take them off.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not taking no. So it was it
Speaker 1: was more just like bricks and kitty litter in the back. Smart.
Speaker 1: I was eighteen, listen, I you know, I ended up
Speaker 1: leaving going to England. So I left at nineteen to
Speaker 1: go to England. And that's where I have my first
Speaker 1: car that I actually purchased because I collect I saved
Speaker 1: up some money. I had two thousand dollars. So that's
Speaker 1: going to help you figure out and guess what I
Speaker 1: consider my real first car. Okay, So was this a
Speaker 1: car that you could only get in your own I
Speaker 1: mean no, but the thematic of the UK is heavily
Speaker 1: at large here, okay, So a Mini, yes, sir, nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty seven deg And at the time I didn't even
Speaker 1: drive stick. So I had this like real kind of
Speaker 1: block against driving stick because driving in my family was
Speaker 1: such a thing and like if you're not going to drive,
Speaker 1: you know, how dare you not drive stick? And you know,
Speaker 1: there was just such an onnus on it that I
Speaker 1: was rebelling by saying, I'm going to buy an automatic.
Speaker 1: And if you think of like a nineteen eighty seven
Speaker 1: Austin Mini, that's automatic, I mean that's like a go cart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's basically a golf cart, right, and you were in London.
Speaker 1: It's super parkable. That's a big kind of spectrum to
Speaker 1: go from. I know, I know, but I mean in
Speaker 1: the UK, a Mini is like an suv. I mean
Speaker 1: you can fit ten people in there. I know they're
Speaker 1: huge inside kind of Yeah, I mean I really. I
Speaker 1: mean I was nineteen and then twenty twenty one. I
Speaker 1: spent four years in London and that that red Mini
Speaker 1: was like integral to my existence and my lifeline to
Speaker 1: my social life. I mean I was the only one
Speaker 1: with the car, so you know, everyone's like, gonna take
Speaker 1: that call, we'll get in. So do you you were
Speaker 1: like the designated driver always that's sort of unfair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's cool to have wheels, so you know you've
Speaker 1: given your take. Yeah, did you get the knowledge of
Speaker 1: like how to get around London because you know Kevys
Speaker 1: talk about that. Oh yeah we had um, I had
Speaker 1: my eight to Z map. You would just have to
Speaker 1: look up where you're going. So you go in the
Speaker 1: back and you're like, okay, I'm going to Shu you know,
Speaker 1: like Bluvod you know who, and then you go se
Speaker 1: twelve or whatever, and then you have to look it
Speaker 1: up and figure it the fuck out, and then you
Speaker 1: came back to the US. Was the Four Runners still there? No? No,
Speaker 1: We sold the fur Runner and then I moved to
Speaker 1: LA and then I had to again I had to
Speaker 1: borrow money for this one because in in LA. Again,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I can just you know, sell
Speaker 1: the mini for like seven dollars and then and then
Speaker 1: you know, get a car in LA. But of course
Speaker 1: my dad was like, you'd drive in in LA. You
Speaker 1: can't have a small car, you know. He's like, you
Speaker 1: need a proper SUV. You know, like he had a
Speaker 1: real thing about like kids and su I want to
Speaker 1: talk about your family. I love that imitation of your dad.
Speaker 1: So he's a Brooklyn guy, you know what. He is
Speaker 1: a New York your quintessential New York gentleman jew. So
Speaker 1: he has um. You know, my brother and my sisters
Speaker 1: and I all kind of amp up his plosives and
Speaker 1: whatnot when we do an impression of him, because if
Speaker 1: we didn't, it just wouldn't be as fun. But you know,
Speaker 1: you know the key, you know, you don't want to
Speaker 1: load of the ground. That's how he speaks. And then
Speaker 1: my mom has like a really sort of like the
Speaker 1: opposite of whatever that is. So she has a very
Speaker 1: sort of um, soft spoken, um, you know, sort of
Speaker 1: more quintessentially kind of waspy sound. So they have a
Speaker 1: real vocal cortail. And speaking of sounds, I mean often
Speaker 1: when I think about cars, I grew up with um
Speaker 1: on race car trucks my whole life because of my father,
Speaker 1: other Harvey Seagal, who owned and restored Virginia International Raceway,
Speaker 1: um as well as best you know, yeah you should,
Speaker 1: you should, um, but I'd been going to like Lime
Speaker 1: Rock and you know, the Poconos and you know just
Speaker 1: I mean but really vir and and the New Jersey
Speaker 1: Motorsport Park was also his, and so you know, he
Speaker 1: had been an amateur racer and very serious collector for
Speaker 1: my whole life. So, um, this relationship I had with
Speaker 1: cars really stemmed from you know, the car world was
Speaker 1: the way in to connect with him. In many ways,
Speaker 1: it's just that's his that's like his other children, you know.
Speaker 1: And so there were times where it's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: didn't really know how to access and have a deep
Speaker 1: conversation with him, but he would take me to the
Speaker 1: Javit Center to the auto show and we would walk
Speaker 1: around and those are really important moments, you know, because
Speaker 1: those are like kind of my main connection point. And
Speaker 1: he enjoys telling you know, his children the kind of
Speaker 1: history of certain cars, the great kind of melodramatic stories
Speaker 1: of racers, and and why you know, why Porsche is
Speaker 1: cool and what or why it isn't you know, and
Speaker 1: why he prefers forwards in general. The smells and the
Speaker 1: experiential kind of connection that I have to automotives in
Speaker 1: general is just you know, it comes from this place
Speaker 1: and then now I've taken on its own life, within
Speaker 1: my own sort of experience. I had the same sort
Speaker 1: of experience with my father. I got all these talmudic
Speaker 1: lessons through the car business. You know. He was so
Speaker 1: into cars, and I inherited that from him. But that's
Speaker 1: how he liked taught me about the world. Absolutely. I mean,
Speaker 1: cars are touch points for indelible moments in our life.
Speaker 1: There's a nostalgia and a sort of visceral kind of
Speaker 1: the smells and the sounds and the way the leather
Speaker 1: felt or the way the fabric felt, or whatever it
Speaker 1: is about a car that really reminds you, Oh God.
Speaker 1: That's when I went to Skidmore or oh god, that's
Speaker 1: when I lived right on Creek Road, remember in you know,
Speaker 1: And so there's utility involved. Obviously, there is efficiency involved,
Speaker 1: but then there's also just like god, that's your conduit
Speaker 1: to getting anywhere. You know, it's a privilege, Like not
Speaker 1: everyone gets to have a car, like it still ends
Speaker 1: up being this thing that's that's special. You know, whether
Speaker 1: you're a single mom of five kids, you know, and
Speaker 1: you need that goddamn car, or if you're just like
Speaker 1: I have dreamed of this two four six my entire life,
Speaker 1: you know, and finally made enough money to get it.
Speaker 1: There's this kind of magic of self guided locomotion, right,
Speaker 1: self directed locomotion. There's nothing but when you're like driving
Speaker 1: and in control, it's incredible. It's an incredible feeling of power.
Speaker 1: There is a sense of sacred privacy, the sanctity of
Speaker 1: that cocoon that you've earned that can take cute places.
Speaker 1: I mean, good lord, it's magic, you know. It's That's
Speaker 1: why I say it's a privilege, because we often forget
Speaker 1: and we take it for granted. But I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why there's so many times while you're driving and you're
Speaker 1: in the car and you're listening to a song and
Speaker 1: a song comes on and you're like, I could drive
Speaker 1: to Oregon, you know, and there's something about you know,
Speaker 1: like you're not going to do it, but you could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly the promise of the maybe how do cars inform character?
Speaker 1: Like one of the coolest I thought car character matchups
Speaker 1: was in It's Complicated and Alec Baldwin's character driving that
Speaker 1: blue nine to eleven Caabrio. I'm like, of course, well
Speaker 1: I know, and you know what it's like. For instance,
Speaker 1: there was in a world I had to have. I
Speaker 1: had to have like a certain kind of nineties Corvette
Speaker 1: and it had to be maroon. It had to be maroon,
Speaker 1: like like metallic maroon for my dad in it, played
Speaker 1: by Fred Melman, who is like the king, right, but
Speaker 1: the best And I have a whole scene in there
Speaker 1: where you know, the father who's just not considering his
Speaker 1: daughter at all, Um says, you know, I'll take you there,
Speaker 1: and of course there's no back seat in that model, right,
Speaker 1: So she's like, there's a whole there's story in that
Speaker 1: of like yeah, like if we get into an accident,
Speaker 1: like you're you're cooked, like there's no seed for you
Speaker 1: at this table. Okay, all about him in that sort
Speaker 1: of like maroon car. It's like, no, it's not red.
Speaker 1: Oh it's got a metallic Who have a red corvette? Like,
Speaker 1: you can't have a red corvette. That's totally cliche. I
Speaker 1: have a maroon corvette. Yeah, Burgundy, marooney that maroon love
Speaker 1: it um. So Anyway, those are the kind of things
Speaker 1: where I really enjoy when I'm making a film or
Speaker 1: or you know, creating a character. I do think about
Speaker 1: it a lot. Um. I think it says in the
Speaker 1: same way that the wardrobe says a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: you can you can paint a picture of what someone's
Speaker 1: morning routine might be like and what they're doing off
Speaker 1: camera if you can know what they are dawning or
Speaker 1: what they are driving. What are some of your favorite
Speaker 1: movie cars? Well, I mean, look Scorsese, Good Fellas for
Speaker 1: Me was a really good car film. I mean there's
Speaker 1: just something about those massive body U sixties seventies caddies,
Speaker 1: the El Dorados and the ber Ritzes and the you know,
Speaker 1: there's such balls that like to take up that much
Speaker 1: space for two doors. You know, you're like like tiny inside,
Speaker 1: huge on the outside. Yeah, Like I'm taking up some space,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's just a little
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's perfection. It's so gradyos right, Like
Speaker 1: remember in that scene and she's like, oh, I thought
Speaker 1: that you know, these the wives would be so fancy.
Speaker 1: You were all like wearing those rayon blands. That's when
Speaker 1: those cars were. They were not like europeanngts. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: which I really and yet I understand and see the
Speaker 1: appeal in it. I mean I have looked into purchasing one,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, I wouldn't kick one of those
Speaker 1: out of bed, but um, I you know, because also
Speaker 1: there is something so unbelievably sort of whimsical and wacky
Speaker 1: about the color schemes they had in that day. It's
Speaker 1: like all white on white and then bright cherry red interior,
Speaker 1: and it's like that was just yeah, that's factory you know,
Speaker 1: Like I love it. I love it. It's got such
Speaker 1: um personality. And now it's like, uh, what kind of
Speaker 1: gray do you want? So when you were growing up,
Speaker 1: did did your dad teach you how to drive on
Speaker 1: the track? So I was terrified of speed. I'm still
Speaker 1: not a massive speed demon. I'm more interested in the
Speaker 1: kind of tetris driving, I call it, which is like
Speaker 1: city driving where it's like, oh, this person going over there, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll go over there. You know, it's like oh, I
Speaker 1: see you, I see you. Okay, you're up my ass Orr.
Speaker 1: I watched this. You know, it's like I think I
Speaker 1: probably would be more interested in like rally driving, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: but that said, um, my father did teach me to
Speaker 1: drive on a KR five hundred, so King of the
Speaker 1: Road five hundred. Yeah. He's a big Shelby Cober guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, my relationship was good with him. But
Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot because remember I had in
Speaker 1: the whole like hang up about manual when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, and so I was just like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: like you know, he's I'm just gonna fucking fuck this
Speaker 1: car up. Who was it a test? You think? Like
Speaker 1: he was saying, like, honestly, this is it's cars is
Speaker 1: where he shines, right, So like he really was like
Speaker 1: all right, kid, you know, like get in there and
Speaker 1: let's see what we can do. When we were out
Speaker 1: in the in New Jersey at our country house and
Speaker 1: that's where his like uh mechanics live and where we
Speaker 1: have a big garage of toys and we were on
Speaker 1: like a gravel road and we were in the KR
Speaker 1: and he's like, go ahead, give it a go. And
Speaker 1: I was like throwing it in first and then you know,
Speaker 1: just like fourth, just like such tentative clutch touching, like
Speaker 1: not oh got stalling, you know. But then of course
Speaker 1: it's like once you get it into first, it's like
Speaker 1: the torque on the thing is like insane. You could
Speaker 1: throw it in third and you're fine, you know, like,
Speaker 1: so explain what the KR is. You're like in a
Speaker 1: Mustang like beast basically, and it's like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: called King of the Road. So I think you know,
Speaker 1: when you're coming out with balls of steel like that,
Speaker 1: I think you understand exactly what we're dealing with. You know,
Speaker 1: it was complicated sometimes where you know, it felt like
Speaker 1: there was and onus, as I said, on manual shift
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And I would talk to my
Speaker 1: brother about it, who did race, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: are you I mean, I just feel like I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's like, you can do it. Like kids in fucking
Speaker 1: rural whatever driving stick you know, they're like fourteen year
Speaker 1: olds driving stick trucks. Everywhere, you know, to tend to farms,
Speaker 1: like why are you making this so neurotic? And so eventually,
Speaker 1: when I was a big kid and grown up, I
Speaker 1: found a mini, secondhand mini that had all this, like, um,
Speaker 1: it was a Cooper that had a bunch of aftermarket
Speaker 1: shit on it and it was lowered and I was like,
Speaker 1: but it's a mini, Like why is it lowered? They're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. The guy, some guy from Devo owned it.
Speaker 1: I was like really, yeah, it was really cool, I know.
Speaker 1: So immediately I was like, well, yeah, I need to
Speaker 1: buy this. So um. I went to this dealer in Lakenyata,
Speaker 1: like it was really far from my house, and I
Speaker 1: took a cab there and I fucking and got there,
Speaker 1: signed all the paperwork, and the guy gave me the
Speaker 1: keys and I said, listen, I don't fully know how
Speaker 1: to drive manual. I've only done it once on a
Speaker 1: KR and and he's like like not at all. And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, could you just give me like
Speaker 1: a parking lot tutorial, you know, and he was like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So then we're just in the parking lot with this
Speaker 1: random guy and we just you know, he gave me
Speaker 1: some hot tips and I with because it wasn't like
Speaker 1: the onus of my cool driving dad. I just was
Speaker 1: like I felt more comfortable in a way, you know,
Speaker 1: to just do it. And I drove it off and
Speaker 1: I drove got right on the highway and went home
Speaker 1: and I just thought, oh my god. I literally talking
Speaker 1: to myself, I was like, Okay, at the RP, I'm now,
Speaker 1: you know. And so that's that became my Mini for
Speaker 1: many many years, you know. And so because I had
Speaker 1: this this connection to the Mini, because it was my car,
Speaker 1: and because it was like, god, my formative years in England,
Speaker 1: like you know, those are the years like nineteen twenty two,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's big deal. So to have it
Speaker 1: again at like twenty six or whatever, you know, one
Speaker 1: that I earned because I was like on TV shows
Speaker 1: and I could buy a car now and and it's
Speaker 1: going to be a stick damn it. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like it was a real kind of moment for me. See,
Speaker 1: I made it. I made it. I got my fucking
Speaker 1: lowered Mini that hits on like every parking lot I
Speaker 1: went into would be like scrash, you know. But it's
Speaker 1: also like the antithesis of like a Harvey car. It's
Speaker 1: not like a big boy for it exactly. It was
Speaker 1: like I had to define my own automotive journey. So
Speaker 1: what was sort of like your spark car? You know
Speaker 1: how Burgers talk about having a spark bird, like the
Speaker 1: first bird that they like fell in love with and
Speaker 1: got them into it. Is there one for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I got a lot of spark cars. Um.
Speaker 1: You know I when I first saw a Lamborghini Mura,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm sorry what I just was like,
Speaker 1: am I am I dating that car? Like? Did he?
Speaker 1: Is that car throwing me rhythm right now? Like? You know,
Speaker 1: I just just like what is happening to me? M
Speaker 1: And there was something about the Italian cars of that era,
Speaker 1: the seventies, um kind of shark cars I call them,
Speaker 1: where they're just they just you know, they're dangerous, but
Speaker 1: you love them and you're intrigued by them. Um and
Speaker 1: they probably break down a lot. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you know it's like the detO, Mazzo and the you
Speaker 1: know the kind of these these beautiful, um, very sexy
Speaker 1: uh Italian you know, I love Italian culture. So for me,
Speaker 1: I think that really sold it even harder to me
Speaker 1: I was like, so then I started learning Italian just
Speaker 1: so that, you know, one day. But I also love
Speaker 1: the the original. I saw them on the track and
Speaker 1: they were so damn cute and all with such great
Speaker 1: personality and senses of humor. I was like, I can
Speaker 1: get into this. So just to go back to it
Speaker 1: was like, there's a sense of humor to the Mini,
Speaker 1: So I think that's what I was gravitating too. I
Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh, I want to be you know, sexy,
Speaker 1: you know, badass girl. Yet I just wasn't there. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm still a kid in some ways, and
Speaker 1: I just think this is cute. And then the Mirra
Speaker 1: was just like, wow, I'm going to be an adult
Speaker 1: one day, That's what I said. Really interesting polls, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like I know, culture. And then of course
Speaker 1: it was like the Pantera, you know, the shapes were
Speaker 1: were were appealing, you know, and so impractical, and there's
Speaker 1: you know, killed Bill um. Oh yeah, Bill drives a mangusta.
Speaker 1: He tries to. Yeah, the mangusta is amazing, just the wheels,
Speaker 1: the way they like they're punched into the body and
Speaker 1: they're just like, oh, just oozing. Just I mean, I yeah,
Speaker 1: just like this is all kinds of wrong, and give
Speaker 1: me the case, like the worst car to drive, so
Speaker 1: unreliable that okay, light me around three dream cars. Well
Speaker 1: you got me onto the Mangusta. So let's do a
Speaker 1: little Mangousta. Let's get a two four six in there,
Speaker 1: and then I'd like a Pontiac Transam. You would with
Speaker 1: the screaming Chicken. Yeah, absolutely, I listen. I like a
Speaker 1: car with a sense of humor and with a whole
Speaker 1: like I could build a whole character around it, you know,
Speaker 1: smoking in the Bandit, Yeah, smoking in the bandit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If anyone has a Pontiac Transam with the fucking bird
Speaker 1: and all, call me. My friend Ilana who writes for
Speaker 1: Current Driver. She's got one. It's brown. Oh I love brown,
Speaker 1: so sick. Yeah, I mean listen, I gotta talk to Ilana.
Speaker 1: Ye take care of it. Next up Lake's friend and
Speaker 1: now mine, Rob Cordry. You probably know Rob from The
Speaker 1: Daily Show with John Stewart, where his stand up segments
Speaker 1: bristled with manic energy, or from Hot Tub Time Machine,
Speaker 1: which is maybe the best movie title this side of
Speaker 1: Snakes on a plane. He's brought his ink black comedy
Speaker 1: to shows like Ballers with the Rock and now the
Speaker 1: latest American iteration of Top Gear with Dak Shephard and
Speaker 1: Jethro Bobbingdon. Their new season launches July. First, we spoke
Speaker 1: with Rob about his first car and those thereafter. Why
Speaker 1: does the trans am always keep coming up? Thank you
Speaker 1: for being here. You're one of my favorite closet car geek.
Speaker 1: But now you've you've outed yourself with your Top year experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've finally come out. I've had the courage. You know.
Speaker 1: All my friends are like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: You're not a car guy. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: met you in New York. Like, I lived in New
Speaker 1: York for twelve years and I kind of dropped the
Speaker 1: whole car thing because there's no need for it, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just kind of lost the fire.
Speaker 1: But then when I moved to La it's it's, you know,
Speaker 1: fast to rekindle. Oh yeah, it's a car show every
Speaker 1: day in LA. But yeah, yeah, I admire your bravery.
Speaker 1: My dentist invited me to his cars and coffee. Everybody's
Speaker 1: got a car shown you. That's awesome. Um So I
Speaker 1: want to take you back to the beginning. Okay, I
Speaker 1: googled this, so it was no you know process of
Speaker 1: you know, divination. I just figured I should do a
Speaker 1: little research and figure out what your first car was. Um,
Speaker 1: it was a nineteen seventy five Ford Pinto wagon white
Speaker 1: with the woody walls. M A right piece of shit.
Speaker 1: And now this this is a car that had a
Speaker 1: reputation for exploding if a bird so much as shit
Speaker 1: on it. Right, Oh yeah, you will. You know what
Speaker 1: I was fond of saying, because I loved that car
Speaker 1: when I had it, right, like it was my first car.
Speaker 1: I got it for five bucks, you know, um five bucks,
Speaker 1: five bucks from this old man who just used to
Speaker 1: drive it to the dump and he just you know
Speaker 1: how like you need a bill of sale. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: he actually collected the five bucks that usually you just
Speaker 1: write down, but he was really by the book, so
Speaker 1: he was like and five dollars please. So I actually
Speaker 1: bought bought it for five bucks. And yeah that it
Speaker 1: wasn't the wagons apparently that were famous for exploding. And
Speaker 1: you know, I did a piece on this. It hasn't
Speaker 1: aired yet, it's going to be in our third season. Um,
Speaker 1: about the Ford Pinto and its tendency to explode, and
Speaker 1: it's sort of a tongue in cheek piece, but it
Speaker 1: was greatly exaggerated. To say the least. The American cars
Speaker 1: were losing at that point. You know, all the great
Speaker 1: muscle cars were sort of fading away, and it was
Speaker 1: all being smogged out of existing. Like yeah, powers being
Speaker 1: choked down, and you had like the trans Answer making
Speaker 1: ten horse power and had you know good. I drove
Speaker 1: one of those, man, I drove on I drove top gear,
Speaker 1: like nineteen seventy eight, like the Smokey and the Bandit
Speaker 1: carcam What a piece of shit. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: a gorgeous, museum quality car. The guy had done beautiful
Speaker 1: work on it, but he was like, yeah, trying not
Speaker 1: to take it above fifty five it'll overheat. It just
Speaker 1: spent the whole day overeating. Yeah, I mean, the best
Speaker 1: one of those in the world is still an unmitigated
Speaker 1: piece of crap. Yeah, it's too bad. It's too bad.
Speaker 1: But I want to talk more about that Pinto because like,
Speaker 1: do you have any memorable adventures Oh yeah in that Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I loved that car more than anything I would
Speaker 1: go into, you know whatever. The East Coast equivalent of
Speaker 1: an O'Reilly's is and try and like, what am I
Speaker 1: going to do to this car? And there's nothing. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing in a car. I had
Speaker 1: no idea I'd end up getting an air freshener or something.
Speaker 1: And I had a girlfriend at the time. I was
Speaker 1: very much in love. She was like two years older
Speaker 1: than me. She was in college, you know. And and
Speaker 1: I used to take her out in my car and
Speaker 1: it was a wagon. And it came that I was
Speaker 1: the guy, the old older than the dirt man. This
Speaker 1: guy could barely walk. And he was like, and if
Speaker 1: you notice here in the bed we've got, um, you
Speaker 1: gotta left a pillow and a blanket there for you
Speaker 1: in case you want to take a nap while you're driving.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I used to park with my girlfriend
Speaker 1: in the cemetery built only guy that had a pillow
Speaker 1: in the back of his car, that's for sure. Um
Speaker 1: an old man's pillow. And it used to didn't last. No,
Speaker 1: she cheated on me. She cheated on me. Now forget now,
Speaker 1: she probably cheated on me with somebody else's car. Really,
Speaker 1: it was probably that car that killed it because the
Speaker 1: floorboard on the passenger seat was completely rusted out. So
Speaker 1: every time we went over a puddle, which in Boston
Speaker 1: was significant, like they were everywhere, she would get soaked.
Speaker 1: She would to like just put her feet up on
Speaker 1: the dashboard. What we went over a puddle? And I
Speaker 1: would like to drive by my old house growing up
Speaker 1: right now and see if they've paved over the holes
Speaker 1: that car left in the driveway, because apparently oil is
Speaker 1: a corrosive. I had no idea there were you know,
Speaker 1: two inch deep holes and that, and I had that
Speaker 1: car for maybe two years, burned a hole right in there. Amazing, yeah,
Speaker 1: and left its mark. Do you have like sort of
Speaker 1: memorable associations with moments in your life and certain cars?
Speaker 1: Those cars were long before I even realized that acting
Speaker 1: was a job that people could do. You know, growing
Speaker 1: up in Weymouth, Massachusetts, it's like ten minutes fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: south of Boston, there wasn't a job that people Nobody
Speaker 1: ever left Weymouth and let alone became you know, you know,
Speaker 1: became movie actors or TV actors. So it took a
Speaker 1: long time for me to realize that was an actual goal.
Speaker 1: So I would say it would have to be if
Speaker 1: I had any car connection to my career, it would
Speaker 1: be that my wife and I when we were living
Speaker 1: in New York. I was on the Daily Show and
Speaker 1: I inherited her father had died, and I we inherited
Speaker 1: a what wasn't ninety four Corolla five speed? Another piece
Speaker 1: of crap in a long line of crappy cars I've had,
Speaker 1: but that car. Man. I lived in Brooklyn. The Daily
Speaker 1: Show was on like fifty fifth and by the water,
Speaker 1: like all the way as far as you can get
Speaker 1: away from Brooklyn, and I used to race myself every
Speaker 1: single day and if I caught the lights right, I
Speaker 1: can make it home. I think I may home once
Speaker 1: in twelve minutes and my friend Jim. My friend Jim
Speaker 1: said Hey, can I get a ride home with you?
Speaker 1: He was just like, live right down the block. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you can, but I want to warn you.
Speaker 1: You're not going to enjoy the ride. It's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be terrible. I drive like an a hole and he
Speaker 1: was like, ah, come on, come on, I'm an adult,
Speaker 1: and he's just gripping every handle in the car. I
Speaker 1: didn't hit a brake once. It's like when you're driving
Speaker 1: in New York there's taxi driver rules. You don't look
Speaker 1: behind you, you just turn switch lanes. It's it's one
Speaker 1: of the best driving environments in the world. It really is,
Speaker 1: if you know how to do it. If if you're
Speaker 1: confident in the taxi driver rules, you cannot hesitate. You
Speaker 1: can't hesitate. Yeah. When I constantly cut into long lines
Speaker 1: to get off, I hear in LA because everybody they're
Speaker 1: not great drivers, that they're very careful drivers, they're very
Speaker 1: courteous to a fault, and so they'll be waiting in
Speaker 1: a long line to get off the highway and I
Speaker 1: just scream right down to the very end of that
Speaker 1: line and just cut someone off. And I call it
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Brooklyn and Crooklyn ning it. I love that. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you think legalized marijuana has anything to do with it?
Speaker 1: It's not helping the melanists in Yeah, it's it definitely
Speaker 1: doesn't help. No. I mean, I think the richest experience
Speaker 1: in New York it's behind the wheel of the car
Speaker 1: because you're so stressed out and you're just it's moment
Speaker 1: to moment, and you know, you kind of I think
Speaker 1: cars are about context in some way, Like you know
Speaker 1: that piece of shit, Carolla is like maybe the best
Speaker 1: car for New York City. You don't care about it
Speaker 1: for sure. No, And you're gonna get You're gonna be
Speaker 1: rubbing and dinging it up, and oh yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: care what happens to it. I mean, do you remember
Speaker 1: all those no radio signs? Yes? Yeah, yeah, the car
Speaker 1: was just sort of like a delivery system for the radio.
Speaker 1: And yeah, would smash windows and just grabbed those like yeah,
Speaker 1: I had an ashtray full of change, and that was
Speaker 1: my mistake. So my window got smashed and they just
Speaker 1: took like four dollars and pennies and nickels, you know,
Speaker 1: and a couple of very valuable quarters in Manhattan. You know.
Speaker 1: The quarters are like you know, although have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of the Universal Life Church. It's one of those
Speaker 1: like sort of matchbook churches that you just you become
Speaker 1: a minister just so you can marry people. Oh my
Speaker 1: daughter just did that. Yeah, sure, sure, a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I actually married our friend Lake Bell. You're the efficient.
Speaker 1: I was the efficient. Yeah, I didn't marry them, so
Speaker 1: I did it originally so I could get the parking
Speaker 1: PA asked, I got a minister parking past and a
Speaker 1: little thing that you know, what do they call those
Speaker 1: things you clip on your rear view mirror, the a
Speaker 1: little thing that said pastor. And I had an official
Speaker 1: thing with a gold seal on my dashboards. So if
Speaker 1: I parked in Manhattan anywhere near like a block or
Speaker 1: two away from a church, I would never get a ticket.
Speaker 1: It's like a diplomat plate or something exactly. And it worked.
Speaker 1: It worked. I parked for free in Manhattan for years,
Speaker 1: Like the Daily Show was right near a church, so
Speaker 1: I just parked anywhere. Incredible that that is, that's like
Speaker 1: what their kids call a life hack. That it was
Speaker 1: life act before there were life acts. Yes, I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about how after you branched out into directing
Speaker 1: and started to think about kind of the bigger picture
Speaker 1: of filmmaking. I was really interested in how do you
Speaker 1: think like cars informed character, Like when you're sending something
Speaker 1: up in like the production design or whatever, how do
Speaker 1: you approach that. It's very very important, and it's very
Speaker 1: difficult to convince a line producer, the guy that's in
Speaker 1: charge of the schedule and the money and the budget,
Speaker 1: that you know you need a nineteen eighty seven g
Speaker 1: n X, you know, you just need it for this
Speaker 1: for this character, it's it's you know or or you
Speaker 1: know or whatever the car may be, like you have
Speaker 1: to be on like a Baller's basically because Ballers. It's
Speaker 1: like story came second to to the cars, the sneakers
Speaker 1: that the watches. Um, you had a McLaren on that show, right,
Speaker 1: I had. Now, unfortunately I did not have a McLaren.
Speaker 1: I had one of those BMWi right, So it's like
Speaker 1: the fake McLaren. They tried. They tried very hard to
Speaker 1: look like a McLaren, and you know, that car gets
Speaker 1: a bad rap. I only got to drive it a
Speaker 1: couple of times, but I get air in that car.
Speaker 1: It was fun. That's a super cool car. I mean
Speaker 1: it was I mean it didn't last long, but but
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, you know, the very little I got
Speaker 1: to drive it. That character started off driving a Buick
Speaker 1: and the season one, because that's the car that Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning drove, and Spencer the Rocks character basically had to
Speaker 1: explain to him that that's just a sponsorship deal man.
Speaker 1: Peyton drives a Corvette, he doesn't doesn't drive a Buick,
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, so then the next day
Speaker 1: I had the I a nice you know, and so
Speaker 1: then just yeah, it was a long stream of pretty
Speaker 1: good cars. It's so many that I can't really remember.
Speaker 1: The best one was the car my My final car
Speaker 1: in that show was a TBS twelve cylinder Aston Martin
Speaker 1: and oh my god, what what a car. I mean heavy,
Speaker 1: as you felt the weight of that car as you
Speaker 1: were driving, which was kind of a hindrance, but it
Speaker 1: was such it's such a beautiful. I've been an Aston
Speaker 1: Martin fan, a reluctant Aston Martin fan, ever since, just
Speaker 1: because I'll never be able to afford one. And I
Speaker 1: mean that's a great character development right there, from the
Speaker 1: buick to the cylinder, you know. Yeah, and those cars
Speaker 1: have that secret handshake, that smell like when you get
Speaker 1: into him, you feel like you're in some English drawing room,
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely, It's like, um, yeah, every car from
Speaker 1: the seventies has a certain smell, and those Aston's have.
Speaker 1: They smell like money man, and they're I've luckily somehow
Speaker 1: finagled my way into becoming the Aston Martin guy on
Speaker 1: top Gear Night, so whenever there's a new Aston Martin
Speaker 1: I get to review it. I just reviewed the DVX
Speaker 1: seven h seven awesome car. I was very surprised. It's
Speaker 1: an awesome carum the vantage I got to, you know which,
Speaker 1: every time I want to buy a car, I price,
Speaker 1: I build and price a vantage online and it's just
Speaker 1: it's never gonna happen. It's disgusting. I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody was saying that one hundred thousand dollars is the
Speaker 1: new forty thousand dollars. Yeah, man, I mean it's I forget,
Speaker 1: like it's upwards. If you really want to spec one
Speaker 1: out correctly, it's almost two hundred grand. It's I can't
Speaker 1: justify that even even if I had. I'm a character actor,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm a working man for hire. I
Speaker 1: can't do that at a very high level. But no,
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. It's like, I think those
Speaker 1: are just cars for traders and for them, like two
Speaker 1: hundred grands like buying a sweater or something. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then they just keep it in their garage and they're
Speaker 1: you know, they put a humidifier in there and whatever
Speaker 1: they do. I don't know what they do. There's a
Speaker 1: cruelty to that, you know, the people who want these things,
Speaker 1: the most can't get near them. But it's you know,
Speaker 1: not Gear a lot like me. You know, my whole
Speaker 1: job allows me access to these things, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: top Gear is the same for you. How did you
Speaker 1: come to be on the show? Right? Um? Like, it's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's true. I I since I got to
Speaker 1: LA in two thousand six, five or six, I have
Speaker 1: been basically monopolizing my press time by saying that I
Speaker 1: loved cars because I was really started to get back
Speaker 1: in the cars and I was able. I you know,
Speaker 1: you have to buy cars when you're in LA whereas
Speaker 1: you didn't in new Ark, and so I was able
Speaker 1: to sort of exercise that. You know, there's I was
Speaker 1: never able to lease cars before. And boys have a
Speaker 1: car for three years and then you can have another
Speaker 1: great car. It was just awesome and and so you know,
Speaker 1: I basically just planted it in the press, and it
Speaker 1: was really just so I could get press cars, which
Speaker 1: didn't really work. And then all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen years later, top Gear called. They were like, we're
Speaker 1: going to have three posts. Of course Deck Shepherd is
Speaker 1: already on, we want you to be the second one.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I didn't even let them finish
Speaker 1: their sentence. I was like, you can go through your spiel.
Speaker 1: But the answer is yes, it's the best gig in
Speaker 1: the world, right, it really is. I mean it was terrifying,
Speaker 1: you know, because I sort of on the show represent
Speaker 1: the sort of the everyman, the enthusiast. I'm the Pinto guy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jethro and Dak Shepherd have a lifetime of car experience,
Speaker 1: and I just you know, like looking at them and
Speaker 1: driving them and kissing them and licking them, you know,
Speaker 1: like I love them as a museum goer loves art
Speaker 1: and you know, I and so I am that. I'm
Speaker 1: I represent that. So on top Gear, I have become
Speaker 1: the guy they put in very awkward, scary situations. And
Speaker 1: now they're like, Okay, we're gonna fill up your car
Speaker 1: with packing peanuts and you're gonna have to drive on
Speaker 1: this track and I have like basically a little tiny
Speaker 1: window and all these peanuts just sort of really susceptible
Speaker 1: to gravity, and it was just and I hate peanuts
Speaker 1: to begin with. Those packing peanuts are like a phobia
Speaker 1: of mine. Basically they didn't even know that at the time,
Speaker 1: but they were thrilled there's this thing about like that
Speaker 1: show where the cars really are a prison, you know,
Speaker 1: for the relationship between the three hosts, and you know what,
Speaker 1: do you what was a kind of memorable thing for
Speaker 1: you in those seasons where the car was really sort
Speaker 1: of for lack of a better term, that that kind
Speaker 1: of vehicle for the adventure for for what, like a
Speaker 1: car that really said something about what you were trying
Speaker 1: to accomplish. Well, I think it was probably my first real,
Speaker 1: real victory. I mean I decided that if I was
Speaker 1: going to have any success on this show, and I
Speaker 1: mean success in terms of winning races and that sort
Speaker 1: of thing and challenges, it was going to be because
Speaker 1: I chose the best car for the job, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and I would actually just do research and I would
Speaker 1: spend days trying to figure out what the right car is,
Speaker 1: whereas those guys were like, I'm just gonna get a
Speaker 1: car that I want to drive, interested they invariably just
Speaker 1: choose their own car. So it was it was like
Speaker 1: an off roading race to get to the top of
Speaker 1: this hill. It was made out of like lava rock,
Speaker 1: basically this big, pretty big hill and we were an
Speaker 1: Arizona somewhere and it was gorgeous and I'm sort of
Speaker 1: an outdoor guy. This is my sweet spot, and so
Speaker 1: I chose this fore Runner, one of the older four Runners,
Speaker 1: you know, with all the chrome. I forget what year
Speaker 1: it was, but it was the perfect perfect car for this.
Speaker 1: And Dax had one of those aftermarket four wheel drive
Speaker 1: kits in a in a Ford van, the Accounto line van.
Speaker 1: That yeah, there were this famous aftermarket thing. And when
Speaker 1: he presented it, I just smiled. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: gonna break, it's gonna break. It's raking right now as
Speaker 1: they're talking. You should get in there and drive it.
Speaker 1: And what did Jethro chose this amazing? I think it
Speaker 1: was like a also four wheel drive, after market big tires.
Speaker 1: It was like a Subaru. It was like a WRX
Speaker 1: or something, but it was totally tricked out for off road.
Speaker 1: And he did fine. You know, he had the speed
Speaker 1: for sure, but I had all the power. And my
Speaker 1: first victory was not only getting to the top of
Speaker 1: the hill first, but then going back down three quarters
Speaker 1: of the way down the hill and towing decks all
Speaker 1: the way up because he had put a water bed
Speaker 1: in the back of his so I also had this
Speaker 1: big knife on my side, this big bowie knife, and
Speaker 1: I got to take it out and like slash his
Speaker 1: water bed, just compounding humiliation. Yeah, it was I was
Speaker 1: the best and he was just bummed out the whole time.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hilarious that, like, you know, the actor
Speaker 1: comedian is the most pragmatic when it comes to the
Speaker 1: cartoy for the challenges. Well, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: guess I guess that's that's an interesting comparison because I
Speaker 1: mean the way I, you know, approach comedy, it's it's
Speaker 1: to me. They're like people say, oh, would you ever
Speaker 1: do a drama, And I'm like, well, yeah, sure, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing to me. I approach it this. I
Speaker 1: you know, put together a character the same way I
Speaker 1: did for you know, when I was doing Shakespeare years
Speaker 1: and years and years ago. M I you know, you
Speaker 1: I build the can want there to be a light
Speaker 1: behind my eyes, and so yeah, I am very pragmatic
Speaker 1: when it comes to making choices and acting and on
Speaker 1: top gear you know, in cars, super intentional about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I made one really bad choice and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like because I was just in a bad mood, I think,
Speaker 1: and I just shout out my choice, and I ended
Speaker 1: up with I forget what the challenge was, but I
Speaker 1: ended up with a SOB nine hundred. That card just
Speaker 1: I ended up. I gave up. At one point, I
Speaker 1: was like, nah, I'm out here, you guys go. I've
Speaker 1: got a whole theory about sobs and guys who own sobs.
Speaker 1: They want to be car guys so badly, but they
Speaker 1: just don't know what's good. Well, this was also like
Speaker 1: I just didn't know what to choose for this particular challenge.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what the challenge was. And one
Speaker 1: of the one of the producers, Dave, was he would
Speaker 1: like suggest some cars, and I just took his first
Speaker 1: choice because he loved sobs. He's the kind of guy
Speaker 1: that loves crappy cars just to like love, you know,
Speaker 1: just to be that guy. I don't want to offend
Speaker 1: you if you own a Tesla, but I feel like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, we've been talking for forty two minutes,
Speaker 1: so I think I'd own a Tesla. I knew better
Speaker 1: than to Oh my god, my wife won't even get
Speaker 1: a Tesla. I love it. Yeah, but what do you
Speaker 1: have now? You have the nine eleven? I got rid
Speaker 1: of the nine to eleven because I was ordered the Bronco.
Speaker 1: I ordered the new Bronco, and I've been waiting for
Speaker 1: it for two years. So I finally just lost interest
Speaker 1: in it and I canceled it. You know, it still
Speaker 1: wasn't in production. And um, you know, because I ordered
Speaker 1: the Wild was a wild track and of course the
Speaker 1: hardtop multiple roof, which is impossible apparently like you're seeing
Speaker 1: Bronchos out there, but they're all soft tops. And so
Speaker 1: finally I just canceled that. And now I've got no car.
Speaker 1: I've got I've got cars. But you know, my my
Speaker 1: UM nineteen seventy eight two eighty Z is not a
Speaker 1: daily driver, you know, my sprinters not a daily driver.
Speaker 1: And I'm waiting basically from my guy to uh send
Speaker 1: me a bunch of m I finally say, I've never
Speaker 1: had I've never had a an M, a BMWM, I've
Speaker 1: never had an AMG, and i've never had a V
Speaker 1: a Cadillac v okay, but I've driven all of the
Speaker 1: I've driven like a bunch of cts is and a
Speaker 1: bunch of ATSs and stuff. And to find that, I decided,
Speaker 1: you know what, now's the time I'm going to get
Speaker 1: the new black Wing black Wing. I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: how cool is the name black Wing black Wing Man
Speaker 1: No Sinister? Yeah, and then it's just phenomenal. I mean
Speaker 1: it's one of those can't wait. It's one of those
Speaker 1: like new digital cars that feels analog. It feels it's
Speaker 1: so good. It's so like nuanced and like it's got
Speaker 1: titanium rods and the shifter and they just went all
Speaker 1: out on anything. Yeah. Yeah, that magnetic damping and all that.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm if he has trouble finding one that
Speaker 1: gets even close to my spack, I'm gonna be heartbroken.
Speaker 1: I think you need that. I think I need that too, Rob.
Speaker 1: This was amazing. Thank you so much for man. It
Speaker 1: was just so good to talk to you. Oh it's
Speaker 1: so great. Yea, I love talking cars. Car Show is
Speaker 1: written and hosted by me Eddie Alterman. It's produced by
Speaker 1: Sam Dingman, Jacob Smith, and Amy Gaines. Our editor is
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