WEBVTT - Cage w/ Marlyne Barrett 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.359 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.160 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.200 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:27.520 These are our stories done done. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:32.280 Hello, Wow, that sounded like we were singing. 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:32.920 Hi. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.040 Welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.640 I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.559 We talk SVU true crime and you know, sometimes we 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:44.880 have guests, sometimes we don't. 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.000 But a constant is we do gab up top. We 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.880 catch up. What's going on? Bitch? What's that? Bitch? 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:52.800 What's your whole deal? 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:54.560 Not too much. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:59.880 I'm you know, just dealing with Uh, I'm just doing 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:04.200 life stuff. I guess what am I doing? What is happening? 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.800 An explosive start. Yeah, well, you know, I never watch 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.119 anything because I never have time, so like I'm always like, yeah, 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.480 it's on my list, on my list. I did watch 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:17.160 this interesting documentary sort of true crime film on HBO 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.039 Max called They called him mostly harmless. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:22.000 Have you heard of it? 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:22.319 No? 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:23.120 I have not. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.399 So my friend Emily recommended it to my text threat 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.960 and was like, it's a really good look at sort 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.720 of Internet culture in a lot of ways around true crime, 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:37.320 and it's basically, without giving anything away, it's like, this 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.360 guy was found on the Appalachian Trail in a tent. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.319 He was skin and bones. He was dead. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.800 He was skin and bones. There was food in his tent, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.080 there was money in his tent. He was not like 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.840 an indigent person, and no one could identify him, no 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.560 idea on him. No one had reported him missing that 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.919 they could find, and they could not find out. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:58.280 Who he was. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.160 And for two years, these internet sleuth groups like worked 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.680 to identify him. And it's like about the groups and 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:07.760 also what happens when they identify him. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:09.639 It was really interesting. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:15.160 Okay, well because the title makes it seem like he's harmful. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.639 I'm not going to say anything. So I didn't even 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.760 really know this. On the Appalachian Trail, when you hike 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.680 it and maybe other big trails in the US, you 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:27.000 get trail names, so people could call you, you know, like 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.280 Susiq or whatever. Like people just have trail names. So 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.840 this guy's trail name was mostly Harmless, which is also 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.000 the name of a book in the Hitchhiker's Guide to 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.120 the Galaxy series. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.000 So like when I told Jared what it was called. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:41.840 He goes, well, I know where that name is from, obviously, 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.040 because he's like a door who reads. So the name 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.919 is interesting that that's his name. But I don't want 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:48.840 to give anything else away. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.800 No, don't give anything away. I do want to watch it. 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:58.639 I'm very intrigued, and I'm kind of Bravo's been disappointing. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.880 Is that what I say? I mean, I'm in the Summerhouse. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.359 I'll always watch watch what happens, but like, I'm over 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:05.359 Potomac right now. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:06.480 I'm so bored. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.119 Below Deck I'm not interested in, and vander Pump I'm 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.919 not that into. I must watch this recent one because 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.720 Sheena is like so jealous of Arianna and I kind 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.040 of want to watch her talking about Dancing with the Stars, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:23.360 but that's already three nights that are I'm not interested in. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:24.280 It's kind of. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.680 Wild, and everyone online keeps talking about how we're headed 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.760 into a Bravo desert like this coming spring, we've got 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:35.720 Dubai premiering, and there's just like not a lot else. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.640 Maybe Jersey, but yeah, right now, it's just like Summerhouse. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.040 And then once the reunions of Beverly Hills and Miami 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.720 and like, what. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.960 The fuck Bravo Desert Baby, I don't know what to do. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.480 We have drag race. I want to start succession. But 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.600 also I'm kind of like like, I've just been busier 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.480 in New York. There's just so much to do. I 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.280 have been watching less here. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.080 I don't know on YouTube. I mean, there's a New 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:03.480 Heights podcast that I obviously have to do. Jason Kelcey retired. Yeah, 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.880 of course I thought about you. Obviously I heard and 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:07.800 I listen. You know, I'm touched. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:08.800 I like it. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.800 I'm crying to forty minute speech. I don't think so, 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.520 I don't think so. Where did he give a forty 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:19.520 minute speech? That was his press conference for announcing his retirement. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:20.680 Was a forty minute speech? 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.239 Wow? 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.400 And then I Arsley, what up? Arsley? Our listener? I 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:27.040 think it was her. 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.760 I'm pretty sure she wrote I love Jason Kelcey because 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.920 when he cries, he won't use a tissue. He wipes 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.680 his tat it was tears with a rag. I just 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.520 love that he uses a rag like me too. Yo, 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.279 It's like it's so funny, but he's you know, it's 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:46.039 he's emotional and he is very like eloquent, like he 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:50.120 is good at speaking. But forty minutes you it couldn't 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.040 be me. I wasn't watching. I watched a little tears, 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.040 I watched the hugs. I watched the moments, but like, 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.600 I cannot watch him think his like you know, athletic trainer. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.960 I can't watch him talk about the defensive teams like 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:07.200 I just can't. But whatever, you know, I also have 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:10.719 a name drop. I have a personal name drop. Ooh yeah, 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:15.120 I was at a table with Gina gershawan excuse me, yeah, 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.880 at the essen l after party of Show Girl's Fame. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:19.240 Yeah. 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.880 Yeah, yeah, it's a bad thing, babe. Yeah, came over 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.479 to our table with meat Brick and uh we got 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.560 to but I was sauced, so I really have no 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:31.400 more details. She was in front of me. Casey Musgraves 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.159 was next to me. You know who else I met. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.839 But I wasn't as intimidated by him as I was 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.599 with Gina Gershan So I straight up went, I know you, 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.240 little boy, like I didn't even there was no worry. 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:43.039 He's a child. 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.000 He's in the wet, hot American Summer reboots Skyler Gazondo. 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.320 Oh born in nineteen ninety six. I'm not treating him 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:49.720 like a man. 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:53.760 Wait, but he's in Righteous Gemstones. Yes, that's what Julie. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:54.120 She goes. 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.200 I love Righteous Empsones, can't wait for to come back. 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.560 But I know him from BookSmart the most. And he's 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.680 a twenty seven year old person. And you said, I 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.920 know you, little boy. Oh but I definitely like, I 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.560 wasn't intimidated by him. He seems like a child to me. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.599 He's very youthful looking, like, yes, he doesn't look twenty 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.760 seven at all. You know, he's playing younger parts. He's 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.039 playing high school parts. He is, for sure, and he's 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.200 very good. He's very good in Righteous Jumpstones. He was 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.160 with his girlfriend and she was great. But I straight 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:23.760 up like, I think I grabbed it, like I was like, 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:25.400 I know y, Like I. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.839 Was very excited. But he was really friendly and nice. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.560 Oh and he was in Licorice Pizza. I remember that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.240 I just tried to watch that. It really well. 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:35.880 You didn't even tell me. Did you get to meet 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.760 Casey or no? No, But I regret it because we 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.680 did get to watch her sing. We watched her sing 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.640 the second song, and it felt amazing and just being 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.520 in the hallways backstage, it is very like theater camp vibes, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.440 you know what I mean, It is like kind of thrilling. 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.600 But at the party, she was standing right next to us, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.240 and I do wish, I just want you were awesome, 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.719 you know, I do, But I was. I was pretty 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.120 plaster because then I was like, Julia, what was I 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:04.840 saying to you? And she goes You kept just saying 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.520 I wish you spoke Russian and I didn't understand why, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.320 and it was just so you could tell me that 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.200 she was behind us. But there must have been a 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.720 better way, and I got there should have been. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:15.320 I didn't. 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:16.600 I didn't follow through. 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.400 But five am party, you know, got to do a 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:20.559 little bodega run. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.880 This is Saturday Night Live in case you don't know 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.280 what Lisa is referring to. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.480 It was at the program of Saturday Night Live. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.600 Yeah, just getting sauced as everyone's working and getting makeup, 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:35.679 just me and my bestie get hammered. It was really 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.320 fun to just like party and stay out all night 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:39.760 because I do love what is at dusk? 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.680 Dawn? I like Dawn. You like Dawn? Yeah? 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.080 I love don Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the sun's not 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:46.800 fully out. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:48.280 I like that. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.640 On Sunday morning when I wake up, I always know 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:56.640 I'm getting like Dawn Cab video in my stories from Lisa. 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:57.720 That is it. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.920 So that's my name drop, I guess for the week. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.200 You know some legends all around. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.080 Well, that's great. I'm glad you had a fun time. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:06.720 I don't really have much else to report. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.720 I also like I do treat anytime I get a 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.400 peek of the Chrysler building, I do act like it's 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.520 truly a SuperM like I act like King Kong is 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.760 on it. But every time I see it, I'm like, oh, 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.800 look at you turn it out and then so that's wow. 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:26.040 The Chrysler building has like no I would say maybe like, 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.680 oh that's nothing for you, doesn't really do anything for me. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.040 Well, did you watch Season one Project Runway? 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.640 Yeah, Jay the winner, he made a dress inspired by 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:36.400 the Chrysler building. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.120 Yes, you remember it. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.160 I remember somebody making a dress inspired by the Chrysler building. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.040 It was him, and that dress was so beautiful, and 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.000 I remember being so into it that it was just 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:47.600 like this thing. 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:48.560 Implanted in my brain. 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.000 And I do think the lights and everything are really pretty, 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.120 like the Circle, he top, what is it art deco? 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.720 But that is where it started. I would say to. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:03.079 Be interesting project runway Okay, okay, because I don't think that. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.400 I mean, the Empire State Building is ultimately kind of ugly. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.240 I do like seeing thirty Rock because I worked there 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.760 and I loved the show, and you know, everything about 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.920 thirty Rock is like pretty hot to me. But it's 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.160 not as recognizable from like a bird's eye as like. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.280 You know, the Chrysler Building. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.880 No, but you know what, I do love and they 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.320 built a second one on driving like to and from Brooklyn, 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:27.440 like the freeway parts. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:27.880 I don't know. 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.080 The stained glass water towers, those are like my favorite 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.720 things to see. Those really make me happy. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.680 You have a tattoo of it, right, I just have 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:36.880 a random water tower? 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.440 But yeah, oh okay, it would have been crazy. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.280 I didn't want to sit there for all those colored 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.320 boxes and the whole fun is the stained glass of 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.720 it all. And it's just like I didn't really I 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:47.800 didn't really see it. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:48.160 Yeah. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.720 My other friend has a stained glass tattoo of like 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.960 a lamp, and I think I'm merging your two tattoos 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:54.920 in my mind. Yeah, but I'm curious. I would like 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.240 to see that. Yeah, it's like a childhood lamp or something. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.199 I'll have her send me a picture. All right, we 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.679 got to get started because we have like a jumbo 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:03.960 episode for you today. 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.360 I just wanted to shout out. 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.640 You know, we've got our merch shop live at that's 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.079 messed uplive dot com. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:12.360 There's a link. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.000 To shop, and we've got a few of the college 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.920 sweatshirts left. We do have new do you have children detective, 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.640 the t shirt, the mug, the tote, as well as 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.040 a few of the purple sweatshirts. We got the beanie, 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.240 the fanny pack. Guys, Lisa and I both use this 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.120 fucking fanny pack constantly. We've got more of them left. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.720 I mean, I'm wearing our crop sweatshirt right now. I 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.319 only wear our merchant Really, I need help. I need help. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.280 And today when I took a walk, I wore the 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.480 other purple sweatshirt. Yeah, but also thank you for reminding me. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.680 I am on the road. So this weekend I will 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.600 be in Philadelphia. Hello, Jason Kelce, come on by, and 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.440 then I'm in Chicago, Nashville. Lots of fun coming up, 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.079 so please come see me. Glitter cheese. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.640 Yeah, if you go to That's messed Up live dot com. 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.360 Also you can go to Lisa. The link that says 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.920 Lisa's website takes you to all of her road stuff. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.280 And then, real quick, before we get started, I wanted 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.880 to give a shout out to our listener, Lindsey. Your 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.439 sister in law, Natalie told us that you have some 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.560 tough medical stuff going on right now, and we just 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.720 wanted to send you lots of love and strength and 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.480 support and thank you for listening to our pod and 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:14.600 being so awesome. 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.720 And yeah, that's that. On that, let's get started. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:29.720 We have a great episode today. All right, today it's 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.000 raining where I am, it's dark, it's glooming. So we're 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.000 doing cage. Okay, we're doing season eight, episode eight. This 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.120 baby is from two thousand and six. This takes us 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.520 to a little period we call the Beck era. This 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.800 is the Danny Beck era. This is there is no 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.160 Benson in this episode. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.800 I think this is our first Danny back episode. I 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.000 don't think I'm a mistaken. This is it like we 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.800 have avoided Danny Beck And the thing is Connie and 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.920 Nielsen is beloved, like this is no you know, like 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.720 no shade towards Connie, but like Bec's I don't know 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.920 who's worst, Becker Chester Lake. I don't know if I've 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.360 actually come to terms with that yet, have you No? 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.840 But I will say I think I hated her so 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.200 much at the time because whether or not you like 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.560 Ship Benson and Stabler, she's not Olivia, Like you just 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.760 didn't want her there, like when that was happening, and 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.240 so I remember really not liking her and not liking her, 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.840 but rewatching this episode for today, I was like, she's 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.559 not that bad, and what's crazy She's only. 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.439 In six episodes. I know, I thought she was in 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:33.760 like two seasons. 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.080 The way we hate on her and the way she's 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.240 like left a mark, I mean, you gotta give it 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:38.520 to her. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.120 Like six episodes. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.080 She caused a lot of hate and a lot of 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:43.360 people have a lot to say about her. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.080 Also, I don't think that there would have been such 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.079 a visceral hey if like Stabler didn't want to fuck 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.400 her bones, you know what I mean? Yeah, And that 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.200 him and Kathy were on a break right as Olivia leaves, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.199 so now he's gonna hook up with some bits, you 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:55.679 know what I mean? 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.960 Like right exactly, like they were toying with us. I'm 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.120 not a shipper, yeah at all. I think Olivia deserves 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:06.480 way better than Elliott. But it was still just like, ugh, 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.959 come on, because by season eight. If they fucked in 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.320 season eight, that would have been fine. Yeah, I wouldn't 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.319 have had the hate for him. And I also didn't 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.280 have that perspective exactly in two thousand and six, I 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.320 was like, maybe I would watch it, you know, like 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.640 I was like, I was fine with it. Now I 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.840 know Olivia deserves better. We don't know he leaves for 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:24.439 ten years, you know, we don't know any of that here. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.199 But also if they did, it would have ruined the job, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:31.360 like it would have ruined Yeah. Their goal is solving crimes, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.720 and I feel them being in love ruined it. That's 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.000 why I am glad they waited for Caresian Rollins for 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:38.559 so long. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.400 And it's a lawyer cop situation. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:41.040 Yeah. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.920 And now she's even in the you know, professor world, 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.400 so it's like, yes, you know, I feel like being 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.760 married on the job partners is a little match. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.400 And now that you say that, I'm wondering if maybe 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.439 they created Beck to show people see how this won't work, 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.240 Like you see how this is too complicated, like it won't. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:03.439 Work oo, Neil Bear, maybe you know Ricky Tricky, okay, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.440 to show us out and work. Yeah, because even in 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:12.560 the lou Diamond Phillips, yes, a former guest, you know, 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.080 what's the guy's named Vincent or whatever. 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:16.439 But in that you know. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.520 Like Gaetano, Yeah, Gaetana, like there's a hesitation because they 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.840 have a relationship and because of it, a boy dies. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.960 So it's like if you're married, that's like so much right. Yeah. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.080 So anyway, that's our dissertation. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.240 That's our dissertation on whether you know love can work 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:40.400 at work in the law enforcement business. This episode is 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.000 it star studded. It's dark, and it's it's a good one. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.600 So let's start off. The cold open is a van 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.720 driving through the city at night, and it is the 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.000 kind of van that I used to see in New 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:52.640 York City all the time and go, there's a kidnap 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.520 child in there. Like every time I see these like 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.400 dirty windowless vans, I'm like, oh God, who's in there? 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.440 I always look for like a hand or something, or 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.840 if there's even a little sliver of window, I'm like, 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.920 is there anybody in there? Because the show has warped 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.680 my brain. I don't know if you still have that feeling. 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.280 No, because it's suspicious because if you see one with 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.080 a ton of windows and seats, you go, that's a church. Yeah, 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:17.320 that's a volleyball team. Yeah, that's a summer camp field trip. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.400 That's like whatever. If there's windows, and if it's a truck, 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.320 like there's other there's a minivan, like that is a 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.080 suspicious car and you're getting it on purpose? Yeah, like 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.600 you can't have anyone looking into that, and you need 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.320 all that space for what for what? 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.080 Well, like the guy in this episode rents it out 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.280 for like probably moving purposes and shit, because like I 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.040 don't know, you don't want to put like furniture or 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.080 tools into a van that's gonna have windows that where 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:46.160 they could smash. 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:47.960 I guess I'm Devil's advocating. 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.680 I don't know, bullshit, No, no, fuck that for what? 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:53.800 You would get a U haul for what? Yeah, you 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.560 would get a truck. There's no way, yeah yeah, and 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.480 yeah it is wild. It's like no window, I don't know, 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.840 like even a couple back windows. Like I just don't 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.240 like when it's like full white doors, full white sides. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:06.880 I don't like it. You know what you're getting into. 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:08.760 If you're getting one of those cars that look like 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.880 a cop car, you know what you're doing to people. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.800 If you're getting a Lamborghini, you know what you're portraying 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.720 to people, Like you are getting a car for a reason. Yeah, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.160 if you have a truck, you're a hic or you're 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.040 a carpenter, like there are connotations to cars. 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:23.320 Yeah. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.560 And you know, if you're getting a windowless, white long van, 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:29.840 we think there's a mattress and a woman tied up 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:30.120 in it. 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:31.200 That's it. Yeah. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.280 And famously, my dad drove a Dodge Ram van four 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.920 years that he used for his furniture business but would 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.880 also pick us up in it, and sometimes the seats 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:41.160 weren't in it and he was like, just lean your 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:42.040 back against my seat. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.120 We're fine, We're only going four miles, you know. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:46.800 So that might have been your life, but it was 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.480 always super cool to have behind all the like Mercedes 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.480 and BMW's at my school for my dad to roll 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:57.800 up in like a bent up Ram van color red. Okay, 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.320 so my suspicions confirmed in this episode because two little 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.680 kids are in this fucking van and there's a little 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.320 boy who's being quiet. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.480 And we're right, yeah at this point. 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.120 And then a little girl who is Elle Fanning, who 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.600 is singing some kind of like religious. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.439 Song you know about you know, waiting in the waters 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:16.240 or something like that. 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.680 And then Elle Fanning is if You've been living under 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.000 a rock or something. She is the younger sister of Dakota, 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.879 both child actors. She got into the game playing the 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.639 younger version of her sister. She's twenty five years old 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.719 and has sixty five credits, So this girl works, works, works, Okay, 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.000 she's eight years old in this episode and it's like 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.600 her fifteenth credit. Her big things that she's in are 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.919 like The Great and The Girl from Plainville. Those are 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.679 two big things she's done lately. But I actually was 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.040 like racking my brain and was like, I don't know 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.480 if I've ever seen her in anything. And then I 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.080 remember Twentieth Century Women, which is a movie that I loved, 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:48.240 and she's a she's in that. 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.320 And I saw her walking down the street in Soho 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.480 with other women from her family, not Dakota. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.720 I would have said that I. 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.560 Think that mother was a professional tennis player. When I 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.720 did a quick Wikipedia, it looked like a. 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.200 Mom aunt Grandma Elle like it looked cute. It was 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.520 around the holidays. They were walking to go into mu Meu. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.680 A multi generational brunch and shopping trump. I love that, Yeah, 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.679 love it. But I wonder if she pays at Mumu 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.400 or not. Oh yeah, because she's like a product girlie, right, 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:18.600 she's their girl. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:19.400 Yeah. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.280 Does she just point or is she buying? I wonder. 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.359 I don't think she's buying. 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.640 Maybe she goes into look and then she tells her 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.800 rep like these I want these things. Have them sent 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.680 to my house, because I also doubt she's like wandering around. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.800 With bad it was Christmas maybe they know, yeah, wandering around. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:37.280 Yeah. 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.000 Anyway, she's a little cutie and she's singing to the 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.080 Lord in the back of this van and the driver 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.560 is like, come on, Mark, I can't hear you singing 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.920 the sweet Songs of Jesus and the kid the boy 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.960 glares at him and does not join in. El Fanning 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.560 has just about had it as well. She's like, I'm tired, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.520 and the guy's like cape singing. She's like, but my 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.920 throat's sore. And he looks back to be like I'm 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.160 the boss, do what I say, And then At that moment, 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.080 we hear a woman's voice in the passenger seat, who 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.160 we do not see, scream watch out, and the van 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.320 swerves to avoid a truck. And then this fucking van 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.639 just drives off a goddamn bridge into the water, like 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.040 I don't know, there's no gates, there's no This thing 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.240 just drives an oops, a daisy turn of the wheel 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.960 just puts this van into either the Hudson or the 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:20.960 East River. I don't really know where they are. I 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:22.560 guess they're on the East River because they were on 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:23.960 their way to Brooklyn. 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.000 So it's terrifying. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.240 I don't think anybody's like, that's not my biggest fear, 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.320 but being in a car, you know, that goes underwater. 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.960 Is one of my biggest fears. In fact, my friend. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.720 Emily got us all the special tool that you can 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.200 use to crack the window of your windshield. She got 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.639 them forth for like Christmas or some random thing of 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.040 like a year ago, and I have it in my car. 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:48.880 It's like just this little thing that will like smash 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.080 the window for you if your car goes underwater. 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.639 So incredible. I would get one of those. Yeah, No, 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:55.200 it is. 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.119 Definitely a fear, but I was thinking, the only people 0:19:58.160 --> 0:19:59.800 that might enjoy it if it's like if you want 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.720 to be spy, like if you want to be Jason Borne. Yeah, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.919 like Jason Bourne's probably like I'll try that, you know, Houdini. 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.280 Yeah, every time we see it in a movie, I'm like, 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.439 roll your window down really quick, like roll your window 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.480 down really quick, swim out, like, But. 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.960 It is something I think about all the time. 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.360 Yet I love bridges and think they're beautiful, and more 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.480 terrified of tunnels because of a Celevester Stallone movie. 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.320 I believe, Oh yeah, yeah, tunnels are scary. 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.840 So they're in the water getting through this. 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:29.639 No we're not. 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:31.760 We're like not even to the credits. We're not even 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.719 remotely to the credits. So this is like v I 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.000 do have to get to a Taylor Swift soul cycle, 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.960 so yeah, we gotta kicking up the pace. So this 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.639 is so terrifying because the kids are screaming, and this 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.200 is where we notice that they are handcuffed into the van. 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:48.000 They are there's like a bar in front of them, 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.119 they're handcuffed to it, and we hear their screams as 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.720 the van slowly sinks into the water, and I just 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.280 wrote my nightmare in caps in my notes. So now 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.200 it's morning and we're watching this van get like pulled 0:20:58.240 --> 0:20:59.520 out of the water windshield. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:20:59.960 Is Shader. 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.439 Stabler shows up in his wrap around Oakley sunglasses and 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:07.080 asks Munch what's going on and the passengers, he says, 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.439 got out, but no sign of the driver, and it's like, okay, 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.400 thank god, the kids got out somehow. So Stabler's like, okay, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.280 why is this ours? And Munch is like, look a 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.639 little closer, and then brings them over to Mark and 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.840 el Fanning, who are in the back of a cop 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:24.240 car wrapped in blankets. Munch shows him el Fanning's wrist 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.280 which has this like nasty bloody ligature mark on it 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.800 from the handcuffs, and then neither kid will say a word, 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:31.520 so obviously this is s for you. 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:32.200 Territory. 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.560 Iced Tea is now back at the van and shows 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.879 Stabler the source of the marks. They were obviously the 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.560 handcuffs were hanging off the bars. These kids were obviously handcuffed. 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.919 The driver must have freed them. And o'holleran is like 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.040 in the van and he's like, yeah, there were two people, 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.480 a woman with one shoe and a driver with no hair. 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.520 He's got like a two pay and a shoe, so 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.760 it's very it's very three stooges in this van right now. 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:57.080 Also, did you call him? 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:57.199 Oh? 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:57.760 Hollerin? 0:21:58.280 --> 0:21:58.560 Did I? 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:02.400 Oh? My god, for holler O'Halleran is what I meant 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:03.399 to say. But thank you. 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.320 Stabler's like, we got to get those kids to talk, 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.680 and munch goes looks like somebody already has camera pans 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.359 over to find Danny Beck holding el Fanning. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:13.960 They're just chatting the day away. 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.520 She's like, you know, all of a sudden, El Fanning 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.240 is doesn't even care a lick about that ligature mark 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:19.680 on her wrist. 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:20.720 She has a new best friend. 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:25.080 And remember they really zoom into Stabler's face when he 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.439 sees Beck, and you're like, and I remember that this 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:30.440 is the episode right after Underbelly, which is the episode 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.959 where Beck and Stabler have their little kiss moment. So 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:35.280 just to give you some background since we have not 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:36.480 covered Underbelly yet. 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:38.360 And then we're to the credits. 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.320 So top of act one, the gang is downloading Daddy 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.760 Craigan on what's going on. We find out El Fanning's 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.040 name is Eden. I will start calling her that instead 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.080 of el Fanning, we know the boy is Mark, the 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:53.360 van was registered to Frank hovis anything on Cinderella referring 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.000 to the lost shoe, And then sit Finn used as 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.240 a slur to suggest that maybe Frank dresses is a 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.600 woman on occasion one of these where the show doesn't hold. 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:02.600 Up, but you know they've changed. 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:04.919 But then Munch comes in with a toll booth photo 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.960 of the driver and the woman riding shotgun, and Craigan goes, 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:09.840 get these faces on the news and let's go talk 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.480 to the kids about it. So now Danny is in 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.399 the Little show Me Where the Bad Man Touched You 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.679 play room that they have on SVU where usually we 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.200 see you know, Benson or Stabler or somebody talking to 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.960 a little kid, And Danny's talking to Eden and she's like, yeah, 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.640 that woman is my mom. Her name is Alma. And 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.240 the driver she's like she just shrugs, and they're like, 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.080 and what about Mark. She's like, I never saw him 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.960 before last night. So she says, I do have a 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:37.960 sister named Rosemary, and shout out that is my mom's name. 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:40.120 She doesn't know what a podcast is, but shout out 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.399 mom to you. Then she pops the question to Danny, 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:43.240 can I live with you? 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:44.440 Like immediately? 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:44.680 Eat? 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:46.120 It is like I'm obsessed with you. 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.879 It's it's giving me a lot of Hayden Pantier in 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:53.080 the episode Abuse, how she's obsessed with Benson immediately and 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:57.119 like there's a lot of you know, attachment immediately. And 0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:58.960 Danny's like, oh, I don't think it's so girl, and 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:01.000 Eden cuts to the chase, like why you don't like me? 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:03.320 And then Danny gives this like fakey, of course I 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.760 like you, but like she's not Olivia Benson with this, uh, 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.679 it's it seems a little harder for her. Sabler is 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.280 watching them through the glass. Cragan shows up and Stabler's like, 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:15.119 well the boy Mark won't say shit, he might not 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.840 even speak English, and Craigan tells him let's have Kwang 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.680 give it a shot. So then Craigan asked Stabler, how 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:22.800 is Danny doing? Do you see a future for her 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:25.960 here in SVU? And it's like, can SFU actually stand 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.800 to have another incredibly gorgeous female detective on staff? 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:29.240 I don't know. 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.840 Sabler says sure, and Craigan's like, oh, so you hate Olivia. 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.000 I never want to see her again. And Stabler's like, 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.359 since one is that up to me? Like, you know, 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.640 partner whatever, I don't know. He's like acting like too cool, 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.080 like he has no feelings about it. Munch and Finn 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.920 are trying to track down the van driver, Frank, and 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.840 they're talking to Frank's mom. She hasn't seen that dead 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.440 beat and yeas, and she doesn't give a shit about him, 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.960 no one. She never hears about him except when the 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:55.639 cops come to her house, and then she doesn't want 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:56.320 the neighbors talking. 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:57.680 She doesn't want the neighbors in her house. 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.640 So Finn pops in with some men's that he found 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:04.159 on the clothes line old school, and she goes, oh. 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.040 They must have fallen from a plane going into JFK. 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:08.400 I mean, this woman has a full excuse for everything, 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.560 and I really like her as a side character. They 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:13.879 bust into the house because they're like they do some 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:15.480 kind of shady police work. They're like, did I just 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:18.240 hear somebody inside? Don't worry, man will protect you. They 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:20.720 bust into the house, they open the closet and this 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.720 sad man is in the closet hiding with cleaning supplies 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:24.640 and the mom. 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:26.880 Goes, how did he get in there. Ye, she's amazing. 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:27.720 She's so good. 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:30.439 Frank goes give it up Ma Like, he's like, she 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.440 is winning an oscar And he's like the jig is up. 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.159 And he tells the cops, I save those kids. I 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.600 uncuff them, But I'm not the one that cuffed them 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.080 in the first place. Alma did that. She said if 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:43.520 she didn't, the kids would try to jump out. Alma 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.359 got out of the van, okay, but it seems like 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.159 didn't care about saving the kids. And he has no 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.400 connection to these kids. He rents out his van. Alma 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.600 hired him to drive them from Albany to Brooklyn. Cut 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.160 to Frank in a holding cell and he's like, can 0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.680 I get my van back? It's my livelihood, and Finn 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:01.120 goes it's called evidence more. Here's a rug to keep 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.240 you warm, and then hands Frank the two pey that 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.520 they found in the van. It's a great moment, but 0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:08.720 does a car ever work again after being submerged in water? 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:13.720 Like It's like, even if you just like replaced the windshield, Sir, 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:15.320 I think your van is gone. I don't think you 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:16.800 can just like put it in rice, you know what 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.320 I mean? Like I think the car is dead, and. 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:21.719 We find out Almah's last name is Cordoza. 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:24.160 But this guy has no address because she just kept 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:25.760 saying I'll tell you when we get close, and they 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.800 unfortunately hit the river before they got closed. And there's 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.680 no record of Eden or Mark anywhere in the Albany 0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:35.280 area apparently, like no missing persons, school records or anything 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:39.120 like that. So Danny and Cragan joined Stabler to look 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.960 through the fish bowl at Mark's like non convo with Huang, 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.439 like the kid won't make eye contact, like Kuwang is 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.600 really trying hard. He's like trying to do a game. 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:50.040 He's drying a house. He asks Mark, like, why don't you. 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.120 Draw the people you live with? 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:52.080 Maybe a pet? 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:54.359 And Mark like grabs the pen and just scribbles it 0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:57.960 out furiously. He is not into these psychological games. Then 0:26:58.040 --> 0:26:59.760 Mark says shut up, and he does have an accent, 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:02.560 so you know, Stabler had mentioned that, like, you know, 0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:04.879 he might not speak English, but he obviously no shut up. 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:06.480 And then he attacks Huong. 0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:09.040 He goes Adam, knocks him back onto the floor from 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.080 his chair and just keeps telling him to shut up 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:14.040 over and over again. Beck and Stabler rush in and 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:16.560 if you've been to our live shows. You've seen this scene. 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:18.840 It's in a compilation I made of scenes where Elliott 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:22.200 Stabler gets his ass beat. They pull Mark off of 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:26.399 Huang and Beck suddenly knows immediately that this kid speaks French, 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:28.439 and she starts telling him to calm down in French. 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:32.040 Oh my god, this is off topic, but it reminded me. 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:35.000 You said a nod to the live shows. I was thinking, 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.240 so we have performed in Salt Lake City. We are 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:42.680 fascinated with Mormons. I was doing stand up in Phoenix 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:47.520 and there was a table of modern contemporary progressive Mormons, 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.120 but all in those little pajamas underneath. Wait, you can 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.719 see those No, of course, I asked them they were 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.359 wearing the garments. They were wearing the garments, but I 0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.960 keep forgetting. Yeah, they're called garments. I like, you guys 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.919 were in the little pajamas, and they were. They're not 0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:02.960 all the you know whatever, but they're into it. So 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.800 they're like contemporary but also still wearing the pajamas. 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:08.040 Yeah. Wow. 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.640 I wonder if the fashionable white hat lady from our 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.480 Salt Lake show where it was wearing the pajamas. 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.240 I doubt it, no, because she was wearing like skin 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:15.960 tight pants. 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.840 Yeah, her like tits were out. Yeah, she looks great. 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:24.440 They were a horny Mormon, yes, yes, but going on missions, 0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.480 it is like the Lisa Barlow effect. 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:26.960 Maybe. 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:30.240 I asked them if they think Lisa Barlow is considered Mormon, 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:31.680 and they said, yes, it's a spectrum. 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.440 Okay, I didn't even I never heard the spectrum thing before. 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:36.679 That's usually not how a lot of religions act, you know. 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.280 Well, no, they're contemporary. They're coming to see us. 0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:44.440 Yeah, okay, so I think we just think everyone that 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:46.680 listens to us is like godless or something. 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:48.600 But the Mormons are here. 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.320 Yeah, they're here. Thank you for being here. 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:54.040 Okay. 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:58.160 So Danny's telling him like call metois or whatever in French, 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.520 and Mark does the exact op. He grabs Huang's pen 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.880 off the table and stabs Stabler with it right in 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.360 the chest, Like this kid is strong, Stabler's ripped. He 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.840 just like breaks skin, stabs him puncture wound right there. 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.280 Then Beck goes, I got it, I got it, and 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.800 like comes over with some paper towels and pulls the 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:19.040 pen out, which, like any counselor in training could tell you, 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.920 is not how you treat a puncture wound, you're supposed 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:23.640 to like leave it in, stabilize it, and get somebody 0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:26.959 medical attention, not like pull it out like it's gonna gush. 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:28.840 But anyway, and you're a professional. 0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.480 Bit yes, Like I can't believe she didn't know that, 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:33.320 And she's like, are you gonna faint on me? And 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.440 Stabler looks all woozy and shit. So in the next scene, 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:39.960 Huang is helping to like clean Stabler's wound or something, 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.440 and Kragan's like, what's what this kid? And Huang's like, immediately, 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:45.480 won takes zero time to think about it. He goes, 0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.640 I think it's reactive attachment disorder. Children deprived of love 0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.640 and affection, particularly as infants, have trouble connecting with people. 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:52.800 And I did look it up. 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.480 The Mayo Clinic defines reactive attachment disorder as a rare 0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:57.840 but serious condition in which an infant or young child 0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.640 doesn't establish healthy attachments with parents or caregivers. And we 0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:03.720 did talk about this in the Born Psycho about episode 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:05.000 a little bit, and we'll talk about it a little 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.800 bit more later. But Beck says, well, that doesn't sound 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.320 like Eden, and Huang's like, yeah, but hers could just 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:13.040 be manifesting in a different way like Mark withdraws and 0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:16.240 Eden is another kind of a reactive attachment disorder where 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.520 she's indiscriminately affectionate, which I also wrote down reminds me 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.840 of what was happening in abuse with baby Hayden Pantier 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.959 because her rock star mom was just ignoring her all 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.760 the time, so she was forming crazy quick attachment bonds 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:31.280 with other people like Olivia Benson. So Beck thinks Mark 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:34.400 is probably from Haiti or West Africa. Huang says kids 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.000 adopted from abroad often have attachment disorders, which adoptive families 0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:40.760 don't realize until they're living with them. And I have 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:42.920 read about this a lot and heard personal stories of 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.920 people happening with this with like kids from adopted from 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.640 Russia or Eastern European orphanages and stuff like that, where 0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.320 they we've talked about it on the pod, like where 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.800 they just don't get touched or like you know, hugged 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:55.000 or skinned to skin. 0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:56.160 That's like, what's all behind it? 0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.200 I feel like, is just like kids needing a lot 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.600 of connection right of the wombs. 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.080 So the gang thinks maybe. 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:05.320 The kids were getting returned to their adoption agency from 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.320 their adoptive parents, and that's like why they were in 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:08.479 this van with this Almah. 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:09.560 They need to find Alma. 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.120 Much found a cab that picked up a woman at 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.280 four am near the river and took her to Brooklyn. 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.360 I mean was she's soaking wet with one shoe. Also, 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.760 I like that, how did you find out? 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.120 Munch and Finn are now knocking on the door to 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:24.960 the address where she was dropped off, but no one 0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:27.960 is answering. Finn goes around kind of like the side 0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.000 of the house and sees like this little sliver of 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.720 glass with like a sad stick figure, like a stick 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.000 figure with a sad face on it, a frownie face, 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.520 And for him, he's like, fuck, there's kids in there. 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.440 So he busts down the door with literally no effort. 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.760 The place looks abandoned, but there's fresh milk in the fridge, 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.720 there's mattresses on the floor, and Finn finds a teddy Bear. 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:48.200 So where them kids at? 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:48.480 You know? 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.040 So that's the end of act one. Act two. 0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.200 Finn tells Kragan, it looks like dozens of kids have 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:57.440 been living here based on fingerprints and all this other stuff. 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.400 Probably hair samples or something. Ohal's there. 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.920 He finds a tape with the letters R R B 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.360 handwritten on it and a date from four days prior, 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.640 but it's been smashed. It's like a cassette tape and 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.320 it's been smashed, and Craigan's like, see if we can 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.600 clean it up. I want you guys to go canvas. 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:16.400 Let's find out who pays the bills on this place. 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.800 And where the hell is Beck? Everyone keeps asking where's Beck? 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:19.360 Where's Beck? 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.520 Cuts it back at the hospital with Stabler. Guess she 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.280 has her priorities. He's just buttoning up his shirt so 0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:27.160 we can get a little bit of the chest, you know, 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:29.680 and he's waiting for his tet and a shot, and 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.880 she's just like really complimenting him, like I'm really impressed 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.360 you kept your cool with this pen stabbing thing. And 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.360 he's like, it's just adrenaline, babe, and she's like, still 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.480 it must have hurt. I couldn't have stayed that calm. 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.960 And then they have this like weirdly coded conversation about 0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.680 right and wrong and then he holds her hand and 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:50.240 she goes elliott I and then they get interrupted. Boom 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:54.440 in walk Kathy and Kathleen's tabler. They're like, Elliott, we 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.640 heard you were stabbed. Craigan gave us the heads up 0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:59.880 what's going on. He introduces Kathy to Danny has his 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.920 new partner, and Kathy's probably like are there not any 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:04.840 ugly cops they can partner you with? Like why is 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:08.440 it just like supermodel after supermodel? And Kathy goes, how 0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.040 do you do? Which is very nineteen fifties to me. 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.560 I think it's funny she's talking like that, and they're like, 0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.360 what happened to Olivia? And he's like she's which is 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:18.400 so rude to say right in front of the new partner, 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:20.160 like where's your old partner? 0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:20.760 We liked her? 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.440 Yeah, but also they they haven't discussed this, I know, 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.720 but they're separated, right I know, but like, yeah, I 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.400 know she I wouldn't tell Kathleen like that's a big thing. 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.959 Yeah. But he's like, he's like, she's with the Feds. 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.400 Because if you will remember Infiltrated was two episodes ago, 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.719 and that is where Live goes into her persephone Jones, 0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:44.200 you know, undercover persona with the Eco Terrorism Group. 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:45.080 Very important work. 0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:49.120 Okay, So Beck takes this familiar invasion as an opportunity 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:50.800 to bounce. She's like, I gotta get out of here. 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.400 Kathleen is shading her dad for getting stabbed by a kid. 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:58.440 She's like, Dad, you're such a loser. And Beck gets 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.960 one last look at Taifler with his family through the 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.120 blinds on her way out. Now, Beck is at the 0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:07.600 facility where Eden is staying. She's just doing the rounds 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.520 of the hospitals. Eden is asleep, passed out. There's a 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:14.280 CPS worker there named Lauren White. She's played by Linda Powell. 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:19.120 She's in six episode. She's also in Responsible and Locum 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.440 and Control like she's in a lot of classics. 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:22.680 This CPS worker. 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:25.720 She tells Beck that Mark is at a psych facility 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:29.160 and unfortunately had to be medicated. Beck is like, wow, well, 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:31.040 no one's going to take Mark now once they find 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.399 out that he stabbed a cop with a pen. And 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:35.319 then the two ladies chat about how easy it is 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.640 for kids to get swallowed up by the system. Families 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.240 move fast, bureaucracies don't. And then Beck gets a call 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:44.280 and it's Craign. So now she's back at the squad 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:48.120 and she's getting reprimanded. Okay, Daddy Craigs is pissed that 0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.360 she went and checked on Stabler and the kids and 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.440 didn't do what he told her to do. She's like, 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:54.680 I'm sorry, I'll head over now, and it's like he's like, 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:55.239 it's too late. 0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:57.279 CSU is finishing up. What the fuck does she think 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:58.120 she is? I know? 0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:01.160 Sorry spoiler alert, the last you're going to see it, Beck, 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.279 So Craigan tells her we found out the house is 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.200 owned by the Ignacious Petty adoption agency Munch and Finn. 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.120 We'll talk to him tomorrow, the guy that runs the agency. 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.160 You and Stabler hit up ACS and find out if 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.400 they have any scoop on the sky. And she's like, 0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.960 I'll go now, and Craigan's like, actually, bitch, you're gonna 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.400 go home and take a nap, and she does not listen. 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:18.920 Again. 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.760 We cut to her back at CPS, just fucking bitch, 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.600 slapping Craigan right in his face. And she walks in 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:27.319 and Lauren White is still there and she's like, it's 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.160 after midnight and she goes, what's the tea on Ignacious Petty? 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:31.960 Besides the fact that he sounds like a little boarding 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.720 school villain in an old British book about mischief or something, 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.360 and Lauren tells Danny that ACS terminated their contract with 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.279 Petty a year ago, like we used to work with him. 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.040 We cut his contract a year ago. He was one 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.080 of those bad foster agencies. I was telling you about 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:47.480 confident careless, only about the money. We pulled his license 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.000 and he went into the private adoption business, which doesn't 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.480 do adequate background checks. And it's so cool how unregulated 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:58.439 that is. So Lauren knows Alma Cordoza as well. She's like, yeah, 0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.840 we fired her three years ago. Her childcare theories were extreme, 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.400 but she would never follow up, like she sounds like 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.480 just bad at the job. And then I heard she 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.960 was doing consulting for private adoption, and you know, Beck 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.280 puts it together like, oh, maybe with Petty, and Lauren's 0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:14.319 like could be. So the next day, Munch and Finn 0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:17.160 are talking to Ignacious Petty, which is truly such a 0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:20.360 crazy name. He's a hero who brings little babies to 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.799 childless couples like a stork in his own mind. The 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.799 guy's like Alma Cordoza, that doesn't ring any bells, but 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:27.759 he does acknowledge the house in Brooklyn and says it's 0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:30.840 where new adoptees and their parents can like chill for 0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.560 a little bit after the adoption bond and it's cleared 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:35.520 out right now because he wants to sell it and 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.520 buy another one. So he's got excuses for like the 0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:39.920 reason why this house looks like a full of like 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.839 flophouse that's just like had squatters in it. He doesn't 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.400 recognize the pictures of the children, and he still denies 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:47.200 knowing Almah when they show him a picture of her, 0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:48.840 and Munch is like, well, then, why do you have 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:50.360 a picture of Almah on your wall? 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:52.440 And we like, look at his big wall. He's got 0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:53.520 a picture of her right there. 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:57.560 Oh good. It's like, you're such an idiot, bro. Yeah, 0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:58.640 I love this moment. 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:00.000 Yeah. 0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.839 So Munch threatens to go through the records and this 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.440 guy's like, uh, well, my records are confidential. 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.640 You know what what Ramona Singer on Real Hostways in 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:14.080 New York, they showed a video over not inviting Sonya 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.520 to her birthday, like telling a woman like, don't invite 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:19.080 Sonya and then they're like, why did you do that? 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.200 And she denied it at the reunion, even though they 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:23.480 just watched a clip of her doing it. Yeah, so 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.640 I was about to say, it's like these moments where 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.399 you can't deny the evidence. It's like, what what, It's 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:31.719 like a cartoon moment, But then I remember, no, Ramona, 0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:33.800 Ramona fought evidence. Yeah. 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.439 I think if you're a liar, also, like a habitual liar, 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:38.800 you just convince yourself of your own lives very quickly. 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:40.480 So you're like, no, no, I don't know her, like 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:44.319 and they're like oh yeah. Like so he's a full liar, 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.799 this man and doesn't seem like a good guy. And uh, 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.000 Munch is like, we're going to go through your records 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:52.120 and he's like, my records are confidential. Munch goes, we'll 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:54.759 get a subpoenut he's like, lol, my lawyers will crush you. 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.840 Bye bye now, like see you later. So Beck and 0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:01.080 Stable are outside incognito and the because they're doing that 0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:04.080 thing where they bait somebody and then tap their phone 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.640 to see who they'll call first. It's a classic Sview 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:07.800 procedural trophe. 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.799 Yeah, and then the criminal thinks they've really won. I mean, 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:12.719 this is a great episode. 0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:14.879 It's like, if you're hiding something and the cops come 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.200 to you, do not call the person immediately. That's like 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:19.759 you're in cahootswith like because they're tapping your phone. 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:21.680 Yeah, because this is a sad episode because it's like, 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:23.920 you know, the kids in bloody handcuffs, but you know, 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.799 in a van, and obviously things are gonna get worse. 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.360 But a lot of great moments, a lot of great moments. 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:32.799 The two pey Like, I'm really Cage. 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:34.479 It's a good one. It's a really good one. Cage 0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:34.839 who knew? 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:35.000 No. 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.440 I avoid watching it because it's Danny Beck. Like I 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.400 have seen the Danny Beck episodes, probably the least. 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:45.080 Yeah, I definitely have seen them all a couple of times. 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:47.600 Of course I'll skip over if it's possible. 0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:50.520 So it turns out what he called was the Lydia Motel, 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:52.719 which we've heard of before. It's like it's supposed to 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:54.479 just be kind of like a CD hotel, and there's 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.520 been other like operations that have gone down there with 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:58.919 this s view and they all head over there, Munch 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.160 and Fin find all in a hotel room there. 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.280 They do the whole housekeeping. 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.919 Like we're here with room service, and in interrogation they've 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.120 got Almah now and she's explaining that she was bringing 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.600 the kids back from Albany because their adoptive parents didn't 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:15.719 want them anymore. So it's exactly what they suspected. Mark 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.680 was adopted from Haiti and Eden from Ohio. She was 0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.480 going to leave them in Brooklyn until they found them 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.399 another home, but she said the accident was Frank's fault. 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:26.560 She panicked that the kids were going to drown, but 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.600 that She also insists that they were cuffed for their 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.799 own good and says she was trying to help them, 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.319 but never talks about how she didn't help them get 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:36.880 uncuffed or stay with them after they like drowned. 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.760 She clearly ran because she knew something she's doing is shady. 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:42.520 So on the other side of the glass, Stabler's like, 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:44.960 all right, let's shut this guy down, and Beca's like 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:46.960 sad that these kids are going to go to foster care, 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:49.200 and She's like, I just can't walk away from this. 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.200 So then Craigan's like, good, get your ass back to work. 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:55.359 That tape that O'Halloran found, we've got it. It's been resurrected. 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.239 It's back. We're gonna go listen to it. So we're 0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.520 in O'Halloran's little, you know, his little lab, and the 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:03.959 tape was mostly smashed, but he was able to clean 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:06.399 up and recover two sections of it. It's very bad 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.040 sound quality, but you can clearly make out three adults 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.719 and a young girl and it's fucked up. It's like 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:13.839 a recording of these adults doing something to this girl 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.120 while she's yelling, I don't like it, I'm hot, you're 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:16.640 hurting me. 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:18.440 It's like you you don't love to hear it. 0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.320 And the woman on the tape is like, trust us, baby, 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.560 and they call her Rose, and she says she can't 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:28.040 breathe and she's gasping, and it sounds like a therapy session. 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:31.560 Like Stable immediately knows what it is. It sounds like rebirthing. 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:33.600 He's like, yeah, they wrap you up and simulate your 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:37.280 berth again, like you know, and Beck goes, who cares? 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:40.000 What happened to this girl? And then there's a second 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.960 part to the tape where they realize Rose is it 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.879 moving like it's it's the end, closer to the end 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:48.800 of the tape, and they're like, okay, Rose, get up, honey, 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.200 and she's not moving and they notice she's thrown up 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.000 and she won't wake up, and it's like, fuck, they've 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.600 killed this girl and they've inadvertently like made a tape 0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.279 of it. Like this is so wild, So they go 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:01.120 back to the house in Brooklyn where the tape was 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.840 originally found and where it was probably made. So Melinda 0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.200 is there standing in a hole in the backyard where 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.920 sadly they have found the body of a female nine 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.000 year old and she's been dead only a few days. 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:14.560 And they show the body like covered with a blanket, 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:16.279 all this dirt on it, and then just like a 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.960 little like curl of blonde is like poking out from 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:23.680 underneath the blanket. So it's very sad. At the morgue, 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.359 Melinda is explaining that the cause of death is that 0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:29.400 she's suffocated and aspirated on her own vomit. Plus she 0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:32.000 has bruising on her rib cage and thighs, and it 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.440 looks like she was abused over a prolonged period, but 0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:38.160 not sexually, so silver lining, I guess there's no hits 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.760 on her prints. Beck puts it together that Eden said 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:43.799 she had a sister named Rosemary, and there is a 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:47.759 resemblance between this little girl and Eden, so you know, 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:51.160 let's figure this out. So now Danny has Eden at 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:55.279 the morgue, to id the body. This seems so so 0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.160 sad to do, Like this girl's already so traumatized, and 0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:00.960 it's like, here, come id the body, your last family 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:04.440 member that you're in touch with. So they show her 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:07.280 the dead girl on a screen and she goes, that's Rosemary, 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:08.040 that's my sister. 0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:08.920 It's so sad. 0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:11.680 Melinda puts the sheet back over and she goes, no, wait, 0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:14.719 I want to look. And so elde Fanning is so 0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.000 good in this episode, Like she's eight years old and 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:20.799 she's really playing like you feel bad for her. She's 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:23.360 obviously had trauma, but she's creepy, you know, she like 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.520 wants to look at her dead sister while she talks, 0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.120 you know. So then they're asking her more questions and 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:29.799 she's just kind of staring at the screen of her 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:31.360 dead sister and she's like, I. 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:32.799 Don't remember when I last saw her. 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:34.600 But she lived in a big house in the country 0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:36.520 with Rita and Bud, and this is like the first 0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.480 we've heard of Rita and Bud. She lived there too, 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:41.000 but I was very bad and I had to be 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.920 sent away to Alma. Rosemary wasn't so bad, so they 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:46.120 just put her in the cage. So what the fuck 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:48.799 is happening? What are we talking about? Munch and Finn 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:52.200 slap a picture of dead blue Rosemary in front of 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:55.040 Almah and she's like, who's that. They're like, it's Rosemary, 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:58.000 Eden's sister, and she goes, I wouldn't take Eden's word 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.840 for it. She doesn't really she's a liar. It's like, okay, girl, 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:02.759 you were really caught. You need to stop blaming an 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.480 eight year old for being a liar. And she's like 0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.880 she doesn't understand the difference between truth and lies. And 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:11.360 they're like, well, DNA says that they're related, so try again, 0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:13.320 and she's like, that doesn't mean they were adopted together. 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.279 She's saying, like it's basically possible that. 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:16.280 I don't know Rosemary. 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:18.640 I only know Eden because they might not have been 0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:22.720 adopted together. Alma says she doesn't know Rita and Bud 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.239 and then they play the recording of rose and she 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.680 does not like hearing that recording and she's like, I 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:29.840 don't know anything, and they're like, look, you're fucked. 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.000 We've got you on kidnapping. 0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:33.600 You're going away for a while, and you think they're 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.319 rough on child killers and men's prisons, women's prisons are 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:39.279 way worse. So Finn offers a little quid pro quo, 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:42.359 and Almah says, all right, listen, I don't know who 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:44.000 this girl is, but I do know one of the 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:47.160 voices on that tape, and it's a psychologist named doctor Reef. 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.839 So now we cut to doctor Reef's office and they 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.759 play him the tape and are like, yo, that's you, bro, 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:56.359 And he's like, what happened to the girl? And they're like, well, 0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:58.120 you should know you were there, and he goes, actually, 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.839 I wasn't. I was on speakerphone, like back, you can 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:02.879 tell I'm not in the room. And he's like, I'm 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:05.239 not responsible for what happened. I was on the phone 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:07.680 for only ten minutes. I gave clear instructions. I told 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:11.240 him to tape it, and everything about this absolutely horrendous 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.480 torture session was on the up and up, according to 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.920 this man. And he says that these two have done 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.880 dozens of rebirthing sessions and that their names are Rita 0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:21.360 and Bud Gabbler of Poughkeepsie. 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.600 New York, near Albany, the Keepsie home of Snookie. 0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:27.319 Yeah, I was just looking at the word Poughkeepsie and 0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:29.880 was like if you were like learning English as the 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:33.040 second language. Poughkeepsie's gotta fuck you up? Like that is 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:36.279 a whack ass word. It's like puff keep sot Like 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:39.240 what it's such a weird word. But it's where Vassar 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:41.440 is go Poughkeepsie. I've been there once, just to look 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:46.320 at vasser Stabler and Beck take the old Ford Taurus 0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.080 on a road trip up to Poughkeepsie. 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.719 Well, and this guy, the guy doctor Reef, he is 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:54.160 the dad and in her shoes. 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.279 Oh a blind spot for me? I don't I haven't 0:44:57.280 --> 0:44:57.759 seen that movie. 0:44:57.800 --> 0:44:59.640 Way we got to watch in her shoes? I bet 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.120 you I bet you're gonna cry. Oh, okay, I'll watch it. 0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:03.600 I'll watch it. 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:05.640 I would love to maybe not maybe, but I think 0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:06.359 you're gonna cry. 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:07.720 Well, I love Tony Collette. 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:11.680 It's Tony Collette, right, Tony Collette, Cameron Diaz and brook 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.640 Smith brook Smith and the guy who looks like the 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:15.400 Scar Brothers. 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:20.040 Who isn't oh Mark fire scene, yeah, star studded. 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.120 I want to watch it. No, that's a total like weird, 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:23.480 like why haven't I seen that movie? 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.120 And there's other guys in it that you would like, 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.360 Hold on there's one other guy that I feel like 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.759 you would like. Yeah, it's Charley McLain. I'm so glad 0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:32.640 I was right about that. Oh I love Shirley McLain. 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.160 Hell yeah, Oh, we talked to a guy that was 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:36.280 one of the bad guys. 0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.240 Hold on, there's a bad guy. And in her Shoes 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:40.480 there's not a bad guy. 0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:43.720 Oh there is, but it's like just like a tiny, 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:45.719 tiny little part. But we did have him on the 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.600 podcast because I asked about it. It was a small part, 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.799 but it was with Cameron Diaz. But Andy Powers, who 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.919 we had on one of your favorite guests, Vulnerable, one 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:55.680 of your favorite guys. 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:56.919 I did have a crush on him. 0:45:56.960 --> 0:46:02.040 I did not, And he was oz and he humiliated 0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:04.520 himself in front of Marishka and she was okay with it. 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:06.279 Do you remember. Yeah, he was great, he was great. 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:06.640 I loved it. 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:09.279 He was a great guess. But anyways, Inner Shoes is 0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:10.760 also like an amazing movie. 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:12.200 Yeah, we'll watch it. We'll watch it. 0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.239 I don't even know how we spiraled this out of 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:15.480 control because of that one man. 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.000 Because the guy that plays doctor Reef is I guess 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.080 in that movie, so I'll recognize him when I see it. 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.400 So Stabler and Beck take the old Ford tourists on 0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:25.960 a road trip up to Poughkeepsie and they pull up. 0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:29.160 The house looks really nice. There's kids playing outside, it's 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:31.719 like a sunny day. There's a couple kids in wheelchairs, 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.360 there's toys, like, it doesn't look like a sketchy farm 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:37.919 where you know kids are being mistreated, which we've seen 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:38.719 before on this show. 0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:39.359 Yeah, I get. 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:42.800 I actually get all the farms that house children illegally 0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:43.720 mixed steps. 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:45.480 Sometimes I do too, I do too, Like when I 0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:46.600 got to this one, I go oh, I thought this 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:48.479 one was gonna look bad, but it's actually like, looks 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.960 really nice. And when we get there, Rita is none 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.640 other than character actress Margot Martindale, a former neighbor of 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:57.400 mine who I would see all over my neighborhood in 0:46:57.440 --> 0:46:59.960 New York City and it was always so thrilling. 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:01.920 I was always like, it's Margot Martindelle. 0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:04.640 It's cool she lives in New York. She was always 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:06.239 on the Upper Westide. I mean, so did Belzer. I 0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:07.520 used to see Belzer all the time you lived. 0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:10.960 But Bellzer film's here, but Margo, yeah, on film sets often. 0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:12.480 So it's cool that she lives in New York. 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:14.799 Yeah, yeah, I feel like she's like probably when she's 0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:17.000 not filming, she's theater though, right, she seems like a 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:20.600 real theater lady to me, like that, like that's where 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:24.360 her true love lies, you know. But Rita doesn't know 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.080 the girls in the picture or about the Brooklyn apartment 0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:30.480 and is doing a huge like playing dumb game. Okay, 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:32.879 so they're like, we're gonna look around, and she's like, well, 0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:35.640 like her husband's not there yet, Bud's not there. So 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.640 in the bedrooms, everything looks nice, like there's like nice 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:42.320 shelving beds, like everything looks like really, you know, well appointed, 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:45.240 Beck counted nine kids in the yard, but there's eleven 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.960 beds in the house, so one for Rosemary and who else. 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.080 Beck starts taking pictures of the room on a damn 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:52.360 palm pilot. 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:52.759 To show Eden. 0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:54.759 It just takes you right back to two thousand and 0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:58.120 six and back at the squad. Munch is showing eat 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.040 in the Picks and she points out where she used 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.400 to sleep until she was sent away to Almah and 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:05.160 they're like, and then what about Rosemary, word did she 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:06.960 sleep And they're like, no, she didn't sleep in the house. 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:09.480 She slept there, and they're like outside and then she goes, 0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.400 no in the barn. So then cut back to the farm. 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:15.360 The music is swelling. Beck and Stabler are storming the barn. 0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:18.239 They open one of the horse stalls and there's a 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.560 little boy in a cage in there, which you know, 0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:24.120 drink for the name of the episode, but it's very jarring. 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:27.040 His name is Joe. He's been in there for two days. 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:29.000 He said he was bad, but he doesn't want to 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:30.759 get in troubles, so he doesn't even really want to 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:31.920 talk to the detector. 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.719 Get out. And then right at that moment, Bud comes 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:36.800 home and then he's. 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:38.799 Like, this is private property, and it's like, dude, the 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:41.520 jig could not be more up. Like there's a boy 0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:44.000 in a cage. It's not private property anymore. Like it's 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:46.239 a crime scene. And he's like, the kid's in the 0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:48.720 cage for his own good. And then they arrest his ass. 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.600 Rita's like he did nothing wrong, and it's like, ma'am, 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:54.239 come on. Stabler goes, hey, ladies, shut up and get 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:57.600 your ass out there. You're under arrest too. And I 0:48:57.600 --> 0:49:01.000 would have loved to have asked Margot mark Dale about 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:03.960 like where being screamed at by Elliott Stabler ranks in 0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:06.520 her illustrious career, like it must be towards the top, 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:10.399 like you know, she's so good. But Stabler gets Joe 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:12.680 out of the cage, he looks very afraid. It's it's 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:16.160 very sad. So now we've got bud and Rita, which 0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:18.120 I keep saying butt and rita, and it really does 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.040 remind me of the bud Light straw barita, which I 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:22.200 did drink one of them at a Jay Z concert 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.759 in Brooklyn one time, so it is coming kind of 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:25.320 full circle. 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:28.839 There was definitely a summer where those were a big. 0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:32.520 Part of my life. Yeah, yeah, strawberritas. Yeah, the way 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:33.920 they write it is really weird. 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:37.440 It's like straws one word, burr is one word, Rita's 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:41.040 one word. It's really wild. But you know, I love 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:42.880 sugary drinks, so those were right up my alley. 0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:46.239 Bud reminds me of Hank Kazaria's character and Now and Then, 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.560 which I think is another one of your blind spots. 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:51.160 Another one that's on the list. 0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:55.160 God, it's like I just watched HBO, so I've seen 0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:57.800 like just one of the guys forty five times. 0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:01.000 But then I've never seen some se Midal movies of 0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:03.839 the time period. Well, I've never even heard of just 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:05.680 one of the guys. I've told you about it. 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:06.960 It's the one where the girl wants to go to 0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:08.799 a better high school, so she dresses as a guy. 0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:11.040 Yeah, and then she like falls in love with her 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:11.439 rest friend. 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:15.160 Okay, you talk about the cover she's holding the footballs over. 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:17.720 Yes, because the cover is the two volleyballs over her tits. 0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:20.120 But but or like I'm trying to think, what's another 0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:22.360 like My Blue Heaven, or like all these movies I 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:24.680 used to watch over and over and over again instead 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:26.600 of being like, how about this new one? 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:29.239 Yeah, but I still do that to this day. I 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.799 know it's like My Blue what not My Blue Heaven? 0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:33.759 Have you ever seen that? 0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:34.920 No, I'm googling it. 0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:41.480 Oh my god, Steve Martin, Rick moranis Joan Cusack. It's 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:42.920 one of my favorite movies of all time. It's a 0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:44.879 Clank Family classic. We have to watch it. Oh my god, 0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:46.880 we have to watch Okay, you're watch Oh my god, 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:47.879 you really come. 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:50.320 I love My Blue Heaven. 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:54.960 It's so silly and Carol Deborah Rush, Oh yeah, it's 0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:56.120 it's got a great cast. 0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:57.400 Oh wow. 0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:01.680 So a comedy about a government witness who gives Suburbia 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:02.680 a culture shock. 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:06.400 Okay, Yeah, Basically Steve Martin plays this like ridiculous gangster 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:08.719 type and they put him in witness protection like in 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:10.840 the Burbs, and he's got to act like he's normal 0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:14.680 there and he can't do it. And it's really funny. 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:19.120 I mean, I'm giggling at just the description. So Okay, 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:23.960 bud Light Straberita is in interrogation and they are the 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:26.240 parents of the year. They're like, we love our kids, 0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:29.200 we only put them in cages when nothing else worked. 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:32.479 Joey was trying to hurt other kids, So we cut 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:34.840 to a kid in a wheelchair talking about how Joey 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:37.200 tried to push him down the basement stairs, which is 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:39.840 very savage to push any child down the stairs, but 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:41.840 especially one that's already in a wheelchair. 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:44.320 Yeah, because the wheelchair is going to cause some additional 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:45.640 damage flying down. 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:49.400 Yeah, And Rita said, you have to forgive Joey because 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:52.439 he's mixed up. And so I don't know, I can't 0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:54.160 tell if this really happened or if the kid's been 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:55.000 put up to the story. 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:55.759 I really don't know. 0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:59.560 Now we're back to Straberita stablers like, you guys are 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:01.720 just in a the money. You get eight thousand dollars 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:04.120 a month from Social services in Albany, and Bud's like, 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:07.560 we adopt handicapped children that no one else will touch, 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:10.719 and he says that costs money. So he's, you know, 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:12.480 saying the eight k a month is just to support 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:14.879 which I would say eight k a month no matter 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:17.880 where you live, to support nine to eleven children and 0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:20.319 each other that you know, that's not exactly. I don't 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:23.360 think they're driving a rolls or anything. So now we 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.720 cut to Huang talking to this little girl named Ronda, 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:29.759 and they're like, did your parents beat you? And she's like, yes, 0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:32.400 all the time with a shoe and then he goes, 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:35.040 did it ever stop? And she goes, yeah, when Bud 0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.719 and Rita adopted me, they're nice. And then Huang is 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:39.919 really confused because he assumed the shoe beating was Bud 0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:42.879 and Rita, but it was actually her Bio parents, I think, 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:46.399 and she loves Butt and Rita. So back to them. 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:49.239 Rita is denying knowing who Rose is. I don't know 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:51.239 who that is. And Beck is like, bitch, her name 0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:53.319 is Rose, we found her in a hole in the 0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:54.680 ground and you killed her. 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:55.719 Stop the whole. 0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:58.040 I don't know her, Mariah thing. It's not happening, we know, 0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:00.959 you know. And so like now Rita's ready to stop 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:03.719 the charade. Then Bud says, there's no record of a 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:06.919 girl named Rose living with us, and it's like, how 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:07.640 is that true? 0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:09.160 Either? Like I just want to know how. 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:10.560 I guess it's like what they were talking about with 0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:13.239 these bureaucracies and things move and these private adoptions can 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:16.080 be sketchy, but like, how is their zero record of 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:17.160 this girl living with them? 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:18.760 Like it's like did. 0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.200 They destroy it after they killed her or did they 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:22.920 never get it because they thought they might kill it? 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:25.319 Like what why would you not have any record? And 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:27.759 then Rita is now ready to stop the charade. She's like, 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.640 everything we did we did out of love. And they're like, 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.040 those are your voices on the tape, admit it. And 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:35.759 then Bud's like, gimme a lawyer, So they lawyer up, 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:39.480 Staybler and back walk out, and Craigan and Novak are 0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:42.200 standing there and they've got some bad news. The tape 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:47.759 is out apparently because this tape is edited, it's considered manipulated, 0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:50.680 so it can't be used as evidence. There's no proof 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:52.719 it's a full and accurate account of what happened. The 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:55.359 defense could say in the missing section, an alien came 0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:58.640 down and squashed her with a pumpkin, like obviously Novak's 0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:02.240 being sarcastic, but you know, there's just there's no context 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:05.000 if it's just two separate clips, and there's no way 0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:06.839 to connect that the girl in the yard is even 0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:09.400 the girl on the tape, Like I guess besides voice, 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:12.200 i'd Casey fought for it, but the judge threw the 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:14.640 tape out and then and there's no record that Rose 0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:16.799 ever lived with Button Rita, and all the other kids 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:18.320 say that Butt and Rita are great and they just 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.480 want to go home with them, which leaves us with Eden, 0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:22.880 and Beck's like, no way, I'm not traumatizing her again, 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:25.279 and Novak is like, all right, well, I want to 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:28.399 put the speakerphone doctor on the stand, so let's get 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:30.160 him in his shoes and into court. 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.400 So now we're in court, and it looks. 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:35.200 Like Button Rita do know how to get away with 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:39.480 murder because they hired fucking Viola Davis as their defense attorney. 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:43.960 She is Donna Emmett and you know iconic defense attorney 0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:48.000 on the show. She's been in seven episodes in seasons four, six, eight, nine, 0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:50.520 and ten, So happy to see her. I'm also here 0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:52.200 to say I love the movie Widows. 0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:52.839 Loved it. 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:55.400 I think Viola Davis is the powerhouse and I loved Widows. 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:57.680 Not like it's her best work. It's just a fun one, 0:54:57.760 --> 0:54:59.279 you know, And I think people try to shit on it, 0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:00.400 and I'm here to say I love it. 0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:03.000 So Doctor Reef is on the stand. 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:07.120 He is the psychologist that phoned into the you know, 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:10.759 exorcism or whatever, the rebirthing, and he's explaining how he 0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:13.759 gave Butt and Rita advice on the rebirthing. So what 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:17.160 went wrong? And he goes they were arrogant. They heard 0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.480 Rose crying for air and they believed it was working. 0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:23.120 And so Casey sits down. Now it's Viola's shot. She 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:25.400 asks the doctor why he was helping them, and he 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:28.239 explains that but and Rita were scared of Rose. She 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:31.600 had attacked them twice with a knife, and some nights 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:33.360 they locked her in a room so that she wouldn't 0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:36.520 hurt them. While they slept, so then Viola Davis says 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:39.000 she has records of their injuries, but Casey's like, bullshit, 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:41.200 why weren't they reported? And the doctor's like, well, they 0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:44.319 didn't want Rose institutionalized. And Novak is like, well, too 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:47.120 fucking bad. She might be still alive if she was institutionalized. 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:49.960 And then the judge is like, settle down, Novak, and 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:54.400 Viola asks the doctor if and the doctor is Vincenzo 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:55.720 from It takes too just fyi. 0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:57.560 Viola asks the. 0:55:57.520 --> 0:55:59.960 Doctor are you familiar with the work of doctor tront 0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:02.600 and he is, and she wants to play a video 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:04.799 of doctor Tronik's work to the jury so they can 0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:07.920 understand the claim that the two adults could be threatened 0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:08.520 by a child. 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.120 I don't really get how that works here. 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:14.800 The judge does allow it, and the video is portraying 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:17.359 a real thing. This is the still face experiment by 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:19.680 an actual doctor named doctor Tronic. It's a real thing, 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:22.560 and it shows a mother engaging with her baby, playing, 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:24.880 talking to the baby. The baby is happy, and then 0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:27.359 the mother goes still. The mother just doesn't move, her face, 0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:29.560 goes still, does not interact with the baby or give 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:32.359 any kind of lover affection or any reaction at all, 0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:35.440 and just ignores the baby. The baby tries to engage, 0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:36.520 tries to make contacts. 0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:40.279 This reminds me of like a twenty twenty experiment, I know, 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:43.520 a guy like getting real with John Sassel. 0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:48.000 What was do you remember I loved twenty twenty? 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:51.360 Like they would always trying to do something on a 0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:54.319 two way mirror to show that, like a baby is. 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:55.520 Gonna eat the muffin or not? 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.120 Yeah yeah, yeah, like marshmallow experiments and shit with kids. 0:56:59.200 --> 0:56:59.680 Yeah. 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.239 So I guess when they don't get a response from 0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:04.520 the parent, the baby is left feeling very alone, and 0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:08.400 eventually they pull back physically and then emotionally. I don't 0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:12.600 really see how showing this baby you don't there's actually 0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:14.960 like no proof that Rose grow up like that. There's 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:17.720 no like, where's the proof that that's what led her 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:19.440 to pull a knife on them twice? Like it just 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:22.240 there's a lot of disjointedness in this episode. I feel 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.200 with the plot no offense, Neil, if you're listening, we 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:27.640 love you. It just like isn't. Lots of stuff's not 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:29.760 making sense to me. But I'll get to more of 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:33.280 my questions later. So kids like Rose, he says, are 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.040 born to addicted or absent parents. 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:36.600 Again, do we know which one? 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:41.000 No, her natural affections were burnt out, and then instinct 0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.520 becomes about survival. A lot of psychiatrists think these children 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:47.200 are untreatable. The question is do you put her into 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:50.120 an institution where she'll be medicated and catatonic, or do 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:52.520 you try to bring her back to life? And that's 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:55.760 what the rebirthing is supposed to do. So Casey gets 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:58.200 her chance on redirect and she goes, so, okay, are 0:57:58.200 --> 0:57:59.920 we cool with it sitting on a kid till they 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:01.880 throw up and choke and die? And he goes no, 0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:04.200 and what about burring them in a dirty blanket in 0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:04.800 the backyard? 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:05.280 All good? 0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:07.600 And he's like no, and then she's like Novak out. 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:11.120 So she gets her little redirect, but it still doesn't 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:13.800 look great. He doesn't look like a slam dunk against 0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:16.400 Butt and Rita. So Novak walks out with Beck and 0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:18.320 she's like, look, I really need you to use your 0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:20.840 relationship with Eden to get her to tell the truth 0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:23.000 about Butt and Rita. Like she's all we have. All 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:26.760 these other kids are either lying or they are actually 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:27.520 having a great time. 0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:28.040 Who knows. 0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:31.400 Maybe the really complacent kids who don't have behavior problems 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:35.080 are not getting abused. Maybe that's true, but that doesn't 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:38.000 mean anything in terms of their guilt. So Beck is 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:40.280 now talking to Eden and she's like, you're going to 0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:42.240 have to tell the truth about Rita and Butt in court. 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:44.440 And she's like, Okay, they put a hose in my 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:46.320 mouth and turned it on until water came out of 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:49.440 my nose. But that doesn't seem like we're trying to 0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:52.680 protect ourselves from your sociopathic behavior, you know, that seems 0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.560 like just torturing kids. They're like, they took away Charlie's 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:57.280 wheelchair for two days so he had to crawl on 0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:59.320 the floor. And they made Joe eat his own barf. 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:03.040 Oh it's bad, it's bad. It's not good. Like up 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:05.840 until now, I've been kind of like, oh, maybe poor 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:08.520 Margot Martindale is just like desperate because she can't handle 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:08.880 these kids. 0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:10.280 She thinks are going to kill her in her sleep. 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:12.440 But no, they're bad people. Well, and you don't have 0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:14.760 to adopt all these kids they're foster Like, you don't 0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:16.920 have to, now, you know what I mean? You can 0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:20.320 you can get half of them, Yeah, if that's too many. 0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:21.880 It's right, you know. 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:26.880 So did you see them hurt Rose? 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:30.560 She asks Eden, and Eden says no, I never really 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.520 saw Rose because she was in the cage. And she's like, well, 0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:34.920 how did you know about the cage and she said 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:36.960 because Rita showed it to me one time as a threat. 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.600 And they were like, well, what did you do to 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:42.080 get punished? And she said, I didn't finish my food. 0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:44.520 So it's like they're not even doing crazy shit, but 0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:46.600 you know, it's it's just so sad. 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:48.840 It's like, not finishing your food? What are we talking about? 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:52.080 So she's scared that butd and Rita will be in court. 0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:53.960 She's like, they come here to visit the other kids 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:55.520 and they give me mean looks, like they look like 0:59:55.520 --> 0:59:57.440 they want to kill me too, and Beca's like, I'll 0:59:57.480 --> 0:59:59.800 protect you, and she goes all right. Eden knows her 0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:02.120 f bargaining chip. She goes, I'll do it if I 1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:04.320 can stay with you, and Beck is like, girl, that's 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:06.760 not gonna work out, and she's like please, please, please, 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:08.680 Like she's like, but. 1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:10.920 Just while I'm in court, just during my court stuff, 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:11.400 can I come. 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:11.760 Live with you? 1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:14.000 And I guess they just allow kids to go home 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:16.600 with any cop if they're beautiful. And now we're at 1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:19.400 Beck's apartment and she's setting up a sofa bed for Eden. 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:22.160 We're about to do a sleepover. Eden's like, do you 1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:24.400 have a husband? And She's like, oh, he died, and 1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:26.600 then she tucks her in. They have a cute little 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:28.920 like tickling moment, tucks her in really tight, and it's 1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:30.800 like they do have a cute little dynamic these two. 1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:33.840 And I like to see this traumatized child have you know, 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:35.960 a little light in her eyes for a second. But 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:38.360 the next thing we see is Beck waking up in 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.600 the middle of the night, just like sensing something, and 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:43.880 Eden is standing over her, going, I can't sleep, like 1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:47.040 just eyes kind of like zongked, like a little bit zombish. 1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:50.120 And then the couch behind her in the living room 1:00:50.200 --> 1:00:52.920 is fully on fire, like Beck's living room is a blaze, 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:56.120 and Eden is staring at the flames like children of 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:59.200 the Corn style, just like staring at them. So Beck 1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:02.800 grabs a fireisher and Eden in one arm, fire extinguisher 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:04.120 in the other. I don't know how to even use 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:06.160 a fire distinguisher with both my hands, but this woman's 1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:09.840 doing it single handedly, and Eden is screaming, let me go. 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:13.360 I want to die, like screaming, screaming. So it's wild 1:01:13.480 --> 1:01:16.280 because this is all you wanted, was this sleepover. So 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:18.560 we don't really know why you're, you know, torching the 1:01:18.600 --> 1:01:21.480 opportunity for it to even last a second night. So 1:01:21.680 --> 1:01:24.040 in the hospital, Beck is like, why did you do this? 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:26.800 And she's like, so you'd never leave me, So okay, 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:29.920 now we have her mental rationale of a traumatized eight 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:32.440 year old why she was set this fire. And Danny's like, 1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:34.280 but you could have killed us both, and she goes, 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:37.840 then we'd be together. So she's hyper on the other 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:40.880 side of connection from what Mark was, which was like 1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:45.040 totally not not participating. So Stabler shows up at the 1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:48.800 hospital room window. Beck says I'm sorry and leaves, and 1:01:48.960 --> 1:01:51.080 Eden's like, where are you going, Danny? And then she's 1:01:51.120 --> 1:01:53.440 so sad she like puts her head back on the pillow, 1:01:53.480 --> 1:01:55.560 like she knows she kind of like fucked up this 1:01:55.640 --> 1:01:58.960 chance set this little relationship with this adult that she trusted. 1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:01.640 And Stable tells Beck that the jury found Butt and 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:04.680 Rita guilty of criminally negligent homicide and they'll get a 1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:08.960 max of two years, which is wild. Danny is having 1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:11.640 a breakdown about how depressing this all is. She's like, 1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:14.520 I'm a fixer. I can't fix Eden. I thought I could. 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:16.800 And then she asked Stabler, how do you keep doing 1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:18.760 this job? And he's like, because I have to, and 1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:22.360 she's like, why we don't make a difference, and he goes, Danny, 1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:25.200 you can do this, and she goes, are you asking 1:02:25.200 --> 1:02:28.520 me to say? And he says, Danny, I can't, Like 1:02:28.560 --> 1:02:30.200 you have to do this for you, not for me. 1:02:30.720 --> 1:02:33.640 And then she realizes like, oh, I'm getting caught up here, 1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:36.400 like I'm not going to stay in this unit where 1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:38.680 I clearly am not really cut out for the work 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:40.320 because I take it home too much and I'm too 1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:43.600 like attached to it and for this guy that I 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:46.160 kissed one time, that maybe I'm looking for a replacement 1:02:46.160 --> 1:02:48.920 for my dead husband. So she goes yeah, and then 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:52.160 she goes by Elliot and Elliot looks kind of shook 1:02:52.200 --> 1:02:54.480 as he just watches her walk down the hallway. And 1:02:54.520 --> 1:03:00.439 that's a series wrap on Danny Beck, and that's stick 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:02.760 Wolf Baby, and that's the last we see of little 1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:05.360 miss Beck until I saw her, Until I saw her 1:03:05.400 --> 1:03:06.440 as Wonder Woman's mom. 1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:09.840 I never saw her again. Yeah, this was a great episode. 1:03:09.920 --> 1:03:12.640 I should stop avoiding watching it. I always just get 1:03:12.720 --> 1:03:13.200 so sad. 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:15.600 But I guess it is kind of like, like I guess, 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:18.240 it's just like there's a lot of like whys in 1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:21.240 this episode, like yeah, if you have this sketchy lady, 1:03:21.320 --> 1:03:23.720 that'll just take the kids back to other adoption places, 1:03:24.480 --> 1:03:26.800 just do that. Like I don't know, it just felt 1:03:26.840 --> 1:03:28.560 like there was just a lot of holes in it 1:03:28.600 --> 1:03:31.160 of like the why to me, like I wasn't really understanding, 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:32.160 but you. 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:35.480 Know, Gonsikos, that's why. Yeah. All right, well I have 1:03:35.640 --> 1:03:36.560 some bad news for you. 1:03:37.240 --> 1:03:49.600 Two crimes that are very close to the episode. Okay, So, 1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:53.919 like I said, there are two crimes. The first one 1:03:54.440 --> 1:03:59.360 is about Candace Newmaker. Candace was ten years old when 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:02.920 she died on April nineteenth, two thousand and This is 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:07.200 one day after a therapy session at a clinic in Evergreen, Colorado. 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:12.520 She was being treated for reactive detachment disorder aka the 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:16.760 inability to form loving relationships because of early trauma. Obviously, 1:04:16.800 --> 1:04:21.840 we've talked about it, and the diagnosis multiplied a bunch, 1:04:22.200 --> 1:04:25.960 and Kara mentioned this because of adoptions from Eastern European 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:29.400 countries and all these orphans were arrived in nineteen eighty 1:04:29.480 --> 1:04:33.360 nine and they were traumatized as fuck, and uh yeah, 1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:35.880 so and you know, till this day, Russia doesn't allow 1:04:36.080 --> 1:04:39.760 you know, the US to adopt, Yeah, because people are wild. 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:42.600 Yeah, And we did, like, if you're wondering, like, why 1:04:42.640 --> 1:04:45.120 does this sound familiar? I touched on this briefly when 1:04:45.160 --> 1:04:47.240 we covered Born Psychopath, but Lisa has done more of 1:04:47.280 --> 1:04:49.360 a deep dive, so I'm interested to hear more. 1:04:49.480 --> 1:04:53.680 Yeah, so hopefully not too much overlap. But so basically 1:04:53.760 --> 1:04:56.320 what happened to Candace was she was wrapped in a 1:04:56.360 --> 1:05:00.200 sheep to simulate a womb while four adults pushed up 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:02.760 against her with pillows and all this shit, and this 1:05:02.880 --> 1:05:05.840 is the worst. Their hope was that she was going 1:05:05.880 --> 1:05:10.240 to emerge reborn to bond with her adoptive mother, Jean Newmaker. 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:13.720 So her biological mother lost custody of her in North 1:05:13.760 --> 1:05:18.520 Carolina over issues with neglect, and she was having difficulty 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:21.880 forming a love bond with this adoptive mother. And for me, 1:05:21.960 --> 1:05:24.040 it's like be patient, you dumb bitch, Like what are 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:26.320 you talking about? You know what I mean? Like, yeah, 1:05:26.400 --> 1:05:29.080 she's gone through trauma. You're just a random woman. Like, 1:05:29.160 --> 1:05:32.600 I don't know what you like. The expectations on how 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:34.080 a child's going to reac I don't know. 1:05:34.120 --> 1:05:35.040 It just bothers me. 1:05:35.480 --> 1:05:37.720 So Candace became a ward of the state at age 1:05:37.760 --> 1:05:41.080 five after being taken from her birth mother twice, and 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:44.240 the North Carolina records are sealed, but what the La 1:05:44.360 --> 1:05:47.840 Times did figure out was she had an angry father, 1:05:48.000 --> 1:05:52.520 a troubled mother, constant moves, domestic disturbance, calls, poverty, and 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:55.560 then her parents separated. So that's like kind of the 1:05:55.640 --> 1:05:58.480 general vibe without being able to get into the records 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:03.440 on Candace, but this Gene Newmaker woman, it was just 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:07.680 her dream to give and receive love. She was forty two, single, 1:06:07.800 --> 1:06:10.280 living alone, and she adopted a six year old girl. 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:12.880 But she did not get what she wanted from Candace. 1:06:13.800 --> 1:06:17.040 And this is where it's fucked, Like she adopted a 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:19.920 child for herself, but I guess that's what you did. 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:22.840 I don't know, but it's like, fuck you. You know, 1:06:22.920 --> 1:06:26.080 that's like a lot of expectations on a kid. Now. 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:30.480 For four years, she did try a lot of other therapies, medications, doctors, 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:33.480 like in North Carolina, she was doing tons of stuff 1:06:33.680 --> 1:06:36.640 before she turned to this remote town thirty miles west 1:06:36.640 --> 1:06:41.120 of Denver called Evergreen, and like, was this really for 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:43.720 Candace or was this for the mother who longed to 1:06:43.760 --> 1:06:48.160 be hugged? So this attachment disorder thing is often suggested, 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:51.120 but maybe it's not. Like maybe it's just parents being 1:06:51.160 --> 1:06:54.640 too strict, or they have poor child wearing skills or 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:58.520 hold unreasonable expectations, or they just don't match well with 1:06:58.560 --> 1:06:59.120 their kids. 1:06:59.120 --> 1:07:00.640 It doesn't mean that the ca it has like a 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:01.680 full blown issue. 1:07:01.760 --> 1:07:03.880 So there are people who do not believe in this 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:07.840 attachment disorder at all and think like, maybe you're just 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:08.800 a shitty parent. 1:07:09.040 --> 1:07:11.360 So that's just something to add. 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:14.080 I also just like, don't I'm not a psychologist. I 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:17.240 don't know about the attachment disorder, but like the rebirthing, 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:21.560 it's like I could see like an adult being into 1:07:21.600 --> 1:07:23.920 this kind of thing, because you can, like adults can 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:26.760 kind of like you know, people do all kinds of 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:29.080 woo woo shit where it's like I'm being reborn, But like, 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:32.680 how does a ten year old that's being squashed feel reborn? 1:07:32.720 --> 1:07:35.080 Like they don't understand birth really as a concept. 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:35.680 Like they don't. 1:07:36.080 --> 1:07:38.600 Why would that change suddenly, why would they come out 1:07:38.640 --> 1:07:40.240 and feel different from a squash? 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:42.080 Oh, I don't this doesn't even make sense with that. 1:07:42.200 --> 1:07:44.360 This makes no sense, Like, it doesn't make sense to me. 1:07:44.480 --> 1:07:45.960 It would make sense to me to do that to 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:48.960 like an adult or somebody that had more like could 1:07:49.040 --> 1:07:51.520 be like, Okay, I am in my mother's womb, I 1:07:51.560 --> 1:07:54.040 am rebeing born, Like yeah, if you can, if you 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:56.880 can like sort of be older. But for like a child, 1:07:57.400 --> 1:08:00.440 this doesn't I don't get it. They're like someone hurting me. 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:01.400 No, it seems like abuse. 1:08:01.440 --> 1:08:04.560 I'm sure the kid is like yeah, yeah, like the 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:06.840 pains is over, Like yeah, that's why you don't hate 1:08:06.840 --> 1:08:07.960 your kids, because they don't get it. 1:08:08.080 --> 1:08:11.240 Yeah, like kids don't get things. It's a baby brain. 1:08:11.520 --> 1:08:14.080 I don't know. It's it's really fucked up. It gets 1:08:14.160 --> 1:08:16.879 more fucked up. So whatever. 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:21.040 So this Evergreen Place, it's the epicenter of therapy for 1:08:21.120 --> 1:08:25.799 reactive attachment disorder. There's fourteen attachment therapists with six clinics 1:08:25.800 --> 1:08:29.719 in a town of only eight thousand people RAD okay, 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:33.040 and this RAD situation is described often as kids. So 1:08:33.560 --> 1:08:37.679 here's just more details on this. The disorder. It means 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:41.720 like they're really charming on the outside born psychopath definitely, 1:08:42.320 --> 1:08:44.920 but they're terrors on the inside behind closed doors. So 1:08:44.960 --> 1:08:48.680 they're manipulative kids. They know how to resist, defy, and 1:08:48.720 --> 1:08:51.400 they want to maintain control. That is their number one goal. 1:08:51.920 --> 1:08:54.680 And these parents get none of the good stuff, and 1:08:54.720 --> 1:08:57.960 it's just like violent outburst emotional outbursts. So it's like, 1:08:58.400 --> 1:09:00.559 you know, there's ups and downs with parenthood, and they're saying, 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:03.000 like a lot of these kinds of parents, they only 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:07.520 get the bad with no positive things. I mean, yeah, 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:10.160 So this isolates the parents and it makes them feel 1:09:10.160 --> 1:09:13.240 like they're the problem. Maybe they are, and they're just 1:09:13.280 --> 1:09:16.920 seeking validation in a way because these parents feel so isolated. 1:09:16.960 --> 1:09:19.599 I do feel like these I mean, these therapists aren't 1:09:19.600 --> 1:09:21.720 even real therapists. I can't wait to get into it. 1:09:21.800 --> 1:09:25.120 But you know, these parents just feel so fucking alone. 1:09:25.120 --> 1:09:26.439 They don't know what to do, and they just want 1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:28.439 to be validated that something is wrong with their kid. 1:09:28.760 --> 1:09:31.599 They want an acknowledgment that there's a problem with their child. 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:34.760 They want a name for it. So this town and 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:38.000 these therapists did this for Gene when she found out 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:40.760 about rad all the symptoms hit, you know, inability for 1:09:40.800 --> 1:09:43.879 affection and love. There was lack of eye contact, extreme 1:09:43.920 --> 1:09:46.600 defiance and anger extreme. But like, doesn't the kid have 1:09:46.640 --> 1:09:49.720 a right to be angry? Their life sucks, you know 1:09:49.760 --> 1:09:51.519 what I mean? They were a views and now some 1:09:52.040 --> 1:09:57.719 woman is like, hug me. Extreme control problems, manipulative, yeah, charm, 1:09:57.840 --> 1:10:00.560 lack of conscious. Once she saw all the traits, she 1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:03.479 found a bonanza online. That's not my word, that was 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:06.759 in the article bonanza, but I thought. 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:07.120 I'd use it. 1:10:07.640 --> 1:10:11.120 She found websites, discussion groups, chatrooms, links, clinics, you know, 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:14.600 other parents that related to her parents who made the 1:10:14.680 --> 1:10:19.160 journey to Evergreen. And the creator of this Evergreen place 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:23.120 is Foster Kline, a child psychiatrist in the early nineteen seventies. 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:25.840 He came up with this notion of attachment disorder. What 1:10:25.880 --> 1:10:29.680 he called it was rage and reduction therapy. So basically, 1:10:29.720 --> 1:10:32.479 you get these kids raged up, you goat them, you 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:36.320 confront them. You physically, like, none of this sounds good. Yeah, 1:10:36.479 --> 1:10:39.599 you physically restrain the kids. You pin them down, you 1:10:39.720 --> 1:10:43.639 rub knuckles into their ribs. You get them in a rage. 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:46.840 And the goal was to outpower the powerful and to 1:10:46.960 --> 1:10:51.400 force psychological engagement and surrender when a child would rather 1:10:51.479 --> 1:10:54.760 withdraw or retain control. What I don't even know what 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:58.240 I just said. I hope you boys understood it. So basically, 1:10:58.400 --> 1:11:00.559 it's like raging up a kid and then they get 1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:03.160 it all out and then they surrender, and then they 1:11:03.200 --> 1:11:05.599 give love and cradle in the arms of someone after 1:11:05.640 --> 1:11:06.120 you beat. 1:11:05.960 --> 1:11:06.559 The shit out of them. 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:10.800 Jesus Klein called it the joy of surrender. And also 1:11:10.920 --> 1:11:14.280 no hard proof this method works, no legitimate research to 1:11:14.320 --> 1:11:18.280 its effects. It's just a catch all phrase and everything 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:22.280 is based on anecdotal and vague information. And soon therapists 1:11:22.280 --> 1:11:25.080 some with doctorates and la times is clear to state 1:11:26.040 --> 1:11:29.559 most only had master's degrees, which is hard. I respect 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:32.000 a master's degree, but like you know, I went to 1:11:32.040 --> 1:11:33.639 a therapist who wasn't a real one. 1:11:33.760 --> 1:11:36.040 She helped me, but whatever. 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:39.400 So some of these people just had master's degrees and 1:11:39.439 --> 1:11:41.200 they all head to Evergreen. 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:41.559 For this training. 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:45.880 By nineteen eighty seven, though, this reactive attachment disorder was 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:51.200 recognized by the Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. So 1:11:51.320 --> 1:11:53.280 I was born in nineteen eighty seven if you care. 1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:56.240 So Connall Walkins is a well known expert on attachment 1:11:56.280 --> 1:12:01.080 disorders and is very controversial. Also, even the well known 1:12:01.160 --> 1:12:04.800 she is not licensed or credited in Colorado wherever Green is, 1:12:05.160 --> 1:12:08.040 yet people view her as the godmother of attachment therapy. 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:11.120 So if she's the godmother of something without any license, 1:12:11.240 --> 1:12:12.719 then your thing is not real. 1:12:13.400 --> 1:12:14.479 Sorry. 1:12:14.680 --> 1:12:18.679 Julie Ponder is another person involved in this crime, and 1:12:18.880 --> 1:12:22.160 she was a California licensed marriage and family therapist with 1:12:22.200 --> 1:12:25.800 two master's degrees, but no credentials in Colorado. And this 1:12:25.920 --> 1:12:29.280 also Colorado allows you to practice about credentials and a 1:12:29.280 --> 1:12:31.480 lot of people do it because I guess with liability 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:34.879 and stuff, if you're not accredited, then you have less 1:12:35.520 --> 1:12:37.000 doctor responsibility or. 1:12:36.920 --> 1:12:37.920 Something shady like that. 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:42.080 But yeah, and then Brittaalin since Saint Clair, she was 1:12:42.120 --> 1:12:46.640 the office manager at the time. Jack Dudley McDaniel was 1:12:46.640 --> 1:12:49.040 Brita's fiance and he was being paid as an intern. 1:12:49.439 --> 1:12:51.479 And then there were two assistants in the room, so 1:12:51.560 --> 1:12:56.400 it was Britta, Jack the mom, Julie Ponder, and Connell Watkins. 1:12:56.400 --> 1:12:58.879 They were all there for Candace's murder. 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:03.080 Now this what she cast other issues before Canvas in 1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:05.840 nineteen eighty eight. Klein and Watkins and another therapist to 1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:07.879 a treatment on an eleven year old boy from Florida, 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:10.360 and days later he ran away reported that he had 1:13:10.360 --> 1:13:12.960 been abused, and then the sheriff's deputies seized the files 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:16.200 the videotape and the tape began to circulate and this 1:13:16.400 --> 1:13:20.360 ended in a complaint against Klein, which led Kleine having 1:13:20.360 --> 1:13:23.360 to agree to no longer participate in rage reduction therapy 1:13:23.360 --> 1:13:25.920 and he moved to Northern Idaho and remains there as 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:27.520 an advocate but not a practitioner. 1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:30.280 Or he's dead. I mean, I don't know. 1:13:31.520 --> 1:13:35.240 Yeah, I didn't look into him, honestly, but he disappeared 1:13:35.320 --> 1:13:36.679 into Idaho dead or alive? 1:13:36.720 --> 1:13:38.679 Who cares so anyways, but don't. 1:13:39.160 --> 1:13:43.800 But Watkins did not stop after this case, and the 1:13:43.840 --> 1:13:46.840 integrity of the therapy did get her. Other people didn't 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:49.840 agree and wanted to chill out on this aggressive nature 1:13:49.840 --> 1:13:53.120 of therapy, but Watkins was like, fuck no, I love 1:13:53.200 --> 1:13:55.479 this and opened her own clinic in nineteen ninety two. 1:13:56.120 --> 1:14:01.240 So January twenty two thousand, new Maker signs a contract 1:14:01.320 --> 1:14:06.080 with Watkins and associates for a two week intensive therapy 1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:08.040 program that costs seven thousand dollars. 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:10.640 The mom signs the contract for Kandass to do for 1:14:10.760 --> 1:14:11.799 seven thousand dollars. 1:14:12.120 --> 1:14:12.680 Gosh. 1:14:12.760 --> 1:14:14.880 So she showed up there on April tenth for a 1:14:14.920 --> 1:14:18.120 two week intensive therapy program, and then April nineteenth is 1:14:18.160 --> 1:14:20.080 when a frantic call was made to nine one one. 1:14:20.760 --> 1:14:23.479 When the authorities arrived, they found Candace lying face up 1:14:23.479 --> 1:14:27.040 on the floor and new Maker was performing CPR. Larry 1:14:27.200 --> 1:14:31.160 Frey was the paramedic and said to the La Times 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:33.679 that he knelt to examine the girl and she was blue, 1:14:34.200 --> 1:14:36.880 cool to the touch, without a pulse or breath. Her 1:14:36.960 --> 1:14:39.599 pupils were fixed and dilated, and her eyes were full 1:14:39.640 --> 1:14:40.320 of red spots. 1:14:40.360 --> 1:14:42.479 So she must have been dead for a while. So 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:46.040 was like, was the CPR just like performative? That's so creepy. 1:14:46.560 --> 1:14:47.320 Oh yeah. 1:14:47.360 --> 1:14:51.960 They called nine one like a half hour after they 1:14:52.000 --> 1:14:56.920 realized what was happening. The corner ruled Candace died of exphyxiation. 1:14:57.840 --> 1:15:00.799 So this girl straight up died begging for her life 1:15:01.040 --> 1:15:04.400 while wrapped in a flannel sheet during a rebirthing therapy session. 1:15:05.320 --> 1:15:07.840 The defense tried to argue other factors might have caused 1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:10.519 her death, like medications or an undetected heart condition. Go 1:15:10.600 --> 1:15:13.479 fuck yourself. There was a videotape. There was a seventy 1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:16.920 minute session as evidence, a fucking videotape of it, and 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:20.200 it was the prosecutor's centerpiece for their case. And you 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:22.080 could hear on the tape this girl is pleading for 1:15:22.120 --> 1:15:25.519 her life and saying she could not breathe. Candace is leading, 1:15:25.560 --> 1:15:28.120 I'm going to die. One of the therapists has heard responding, 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:31.280 scream for your life, and one therapist said she must 1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:34.439 die to be reborn. Candace is heard responding, you mean 1:15:34.479 --> 1:15:36.679 like you want me to die for real, and ponder goes, 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:39.559 uh huh good. And that's according to the New York Times. 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:42.400 And Candace more than ten times on this tape said 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:44.800 that she was dying. Seven times is heard saying she 1:15:44.880 --> 1:15:47.960 was vomiting. The adults just kept putting pressure on this child. 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:50.400 The four adults together weighed six hundred and seventy three 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:52.839 pounds and Candace weighs seventy pounds. 1:15:52.880 --> 1:15:53.639 So what the fuck? 1:15:53.720 --> 1:15:57.400 Oh my god, this is so horrific. 1:15:57.040 --> 1:15:57.799 It's awful. 1:15:57.880 --> 1:16:00.640 And at forty minutes, new maker asked, baby, do you 1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:04.000 want to be born? And then, according to the LA Times, 1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:06.000 Candace's final word was a faint no. 1:16:06.680 --> 1:16:07.400 And this ponder. 1:16:07.439 --> 1:16:11.080 Bitch is heard saying quitter, quitter, quitter, quit, quit, quit quit, 1:16:11.160 --> 1:16:14.080 She's a quitter. Oh my god, And that's the New 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:17.880 York Times. And this is all just because this adoptive 1:16:17.880 --> 1:16:21.120 mother wanted attention from this child who was clearly traumatized, 1:16:21.560 --> 1:16:24.200 like a neglected child didn't give an adoptive mother the 1:16:24.240 --> 1:16:31.680 love that she wanted, and like, what the fuck? Okay, 1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:34.639 So Watkins to investigators, said they didn't take the girls, 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:39.280 please seriously. Jack McDaniel said that they thought Candace was 1:16:39.280 --> 1:16:43.320 trying to manipulate the situation a ten year old, so 1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:45.800 they fucking tortured her and they didn't unwrap her for 1:16:45.840 --> 1:16:49.080 another thirty minutes. And then finally the adoptive mother, who 1:16:49.160 --> 1:16:52.960 was a nurse practitioner at Duke University Hospital. So this 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:55.760 person is also in the medical profession, like, how are 1:16:55.760 --> 1:16:57.960 you allowing this to happen? It makes no fucking sense. 1:16:58.479 --> 1:17:01.160 So she screamed, oh no, oh god, she's dead. Look 1:17:01.200 --> 1:17:04.519 at her canvas, Candace, And this is in the Times, 1:17:04.800 --> 1:17:06.640 the New York Times. And she was not dead, but 1:17:06.680 --> 1:17:08.640 she was unconscious without a pulse and then died the 1:17:08.680 --> 1:17:12.280 next day. And then Watkins had the fucking like balls 1:17:12.320 --> 1:17:15.040 to afterwards be like, we don't know why this happened. 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:17.680 We could never have caused this little girl's death. And 1:17:17.720 --> 1:17:19.840 it's like, but we have the tape. This is the 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:22.760 Remonta singer of this case. April two thousand and one, 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:25.559 the two therapists were convicted of reckless child abuse. After 1:17:25.560 --> 1:17:28.880 the jury deliberated for about five hours. When the verdict 1:17:29.040 --> 1:17:32.200 was read, Julie Ponder stared straight ahead, closed her eyes 1:17:32.200 --> 1:17:35.559 and fought tears. Connall Watkins showed little emotion, like this 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:37.840 is a psychopath. This is like a cult leader, you 1:17:37.920 --> 1:17:40.400 know what I mean? Like, yeah, I feel we talk 1:17:40.439 --> 1:17:42.519 about cults a lot. It's usually men and they're just 1:17:42.560 --> 1:17:44.439 like trying to fuck you know, the youth, and like 1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:48.680 do weird things. And I think this is a jonestown, 1:17:48.720 --> 1:17:51.719 Like this is a cult person killer, you know. Watkins 1:17:51.760 --> 1:17:56.400 was also convicted of unlawfully practicing psychotherapy, criminal impersonation, and 1:17:56.400 --> 1:17:59.599 obtaining a signature by deception. The grandmother of the child 1:17:59.600 --> 1:18:02.040 cried and hug those around her after the verdict was read, 1:18:02.439 --> 1:18:05.559 and this happened in the Jefferson County District Court. They 1:18:05.560 --> 1:18:08.639 were each sentenced to sixteen years in prison in June 1:18:08.640 --> 1:18:12.599 two thousand and one, so they could have received the max, 1:18:12.600 --> 1:18:15.719 which would have been forty eight years, but the judge, 1:18:15.760 --> 1:18:20.479 some lady named Jane Tidball of the same Jefferson County district, 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:23.960 gave the minimum because, quote, they didn't intend to harm 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:26.640 the girl. What like, even if I don't plan on 1:18:26.720 --> 1:18:29.160 hurting someone, if they plead for forty minutes to please 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:33.400 stop and they were screaming and vomiting, your intent is 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:35.960 to her. The quote in the New York Times from 1:18:35.960 --> 1:18:39.320 the judge is the crime itself was horrifying. However, there 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:42.320 was no evidence of the trial that the defendant wanted 1:18:42.320 --> 1:18:45.439 to harm Kansas. I don't get that. Oh my god, 1:18:45.760 --> 1:18:48.439 I disagree. I think they should still be in prison. 1:18:49.360 --> 1:18:53.519 So British Saint Clair and this Jack McDaniel, the assistant therapist, 1:18:53.520 --> 1:18:57.280 people whatever there, they were given ten years probation and 1:18:57.360 --> 1:18:59.479 one thousand hours of community service. 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:00.920 I think they should have gone to jail. 1:19:01.560 --> 1:19:04.240 The mom who was there for the therapy, she was 1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:07.880 tried on charges of criminally negligent child abuse resulting in 1:19:08.120 --> 1:19:11.840 death initially, but then was given immunity to testify in 1:19:11.880 --> 1:19:15.320 the case against the therapist, but then also In another report, 1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:17.439 it said in October two thousand and one, she did 1:19:17.479 --> 1:19:20.920 agree to plead guilty to child abuse in exchange for 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:24.080 no jail time and promised that her conviction will be 1:19:24.120 --> 1:19:27.200 expunged if she commits no crimes in the next four years. 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:30.240 So I'm not really sure if everything was dropped or 1:19:30.320 --> 1:19:32.760 she did have to plead guilty and not catch it. Like, 1:19:32.800 --> 1:19:36.040 I'm not really sure those conflicting reports in the sources. Yeah, 1:19:36.520 --> 1:19:39.800 and it seems like it's hard to understand. I mean, 1:19:39.840 --> 1:19:43.160 I don't believe in this, but it's like in theory, 1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:47.000 this devoted like carrying, educated woman, just like a nurse 1:19:47.200 --> 1:19:51.360 at Duke University Hospital decided to entrust her daughter to 1:19:51.840 --> 1:19:54.920 four strangers in some remote house in Colorado. 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:55.960 I don't get it. 1:19:56.040 --> 1:20:00.800 Yeah, and like stand there and watch as unlicensed alternative 1:20:01.000 --> 1:20:04.360 weirdos do this to a ten year old. Following the trial, 1:20:04.400 --> 1:20:08.320 Governor Bill Owen signed a law outlining rebirthing therapy in Colorado, 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:09.639 and it's called Candace's Law. 1:20:09.960 --> 1:20:13.080 I think you just see a lot of crazy stuff 1:20:13.200 --> 1:20:16.599 like this when people feel desperate, like and that's when 1:20:16.640 --> 1:20:19.480 the grift comes in. That's when a lot of grifters 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:22.280 find the most desperate people and are like, trust me 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:25.120 with this therapy, seven thousand dollars will fix your little 1:20:25.120 --> 1:20:27.880 baby up. You know, Like, unfortunately, I think this mom 1:20:28.000 --> 1:20:31.120 felt I also think she acted very selfishly, but I 1:20:31.160 --> 1:20:33.880 think that she probably felt like, you know, wasn't really 1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:37.160 caring about accreditation and was like, this is my last 1:20:37.200 --> 1:20:40.240 resort or something, and it's so fucking sad. That's such 1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:42.479 a horrible story. But what's the next one. I bet 1:20:42.479 --> 1:20:43.320 it's really upbeat. 1:20:43.479 --> 1:20:46.679 This is the case of Michael and Cheryl Gravel. 1:20:47.680 --> 1:20:49.080 I think it's probably Gravel. 1:20:49.240 --> 1:20:53.599 Yeah, but we're gonna call him Gravel. They're fucking dirt. 1:20:54.160 --> 1:20:56.200 This is a notorious story. It became known as the 1:20:56.240 --> 1:21:02.440 Caged Kids, according to NPR, So we got to trust them. Wakeman, Ohio, 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:04.799 is a town of one thousand people about fifty miles 1:21:04.840 --> 1:21:05.720 west of Cleveland. 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:08.719 They even do like a little nod to this because 1:21:08.720 --> 1:21:11.480 they say Eden's from Ohio and Rosemary. 1:21:11.520 --> 1:21:15.840 Kneel Bear so time of the crime two thousand and five. Okay, 1:21:15.920 --> 1:21:19.320 so this couple, they moved to this place in nineteen 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:22.960 ninety two and immediately started adopting children after their kids 1:21:22.960 --> 1:21:25.720 grew up. When a story is this salacious. There's all 1:21:25.760 --> 1:21:28.360 these articles saying the same thing, and like, you know, 1:21:28.720 --> 1:21:32.600 a friend passed in December and immediately there were all 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:35.120 these news stories and none of the stuff was real, 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:37.200 like yeah, not on of it, but there was just 1:21:37.240 --> 1:21:43.559 mistakes made and like people took information without verifying it. 1:21:44.120 --> 1:21:47.200 And so now when like cases like this happened and 1:21:47.240 --> 1:21:50.800 those initial stories, it's kind of like, how do we 1:21:50.800 --> 1:21:51.759 even trust the news? 1:21:51.840 --> 1:21:54.280 It's crazy because they have the ability to go back 1:21:54.320 --> 1:21:57.439 and change them. Like in newspaper days and magazine only days, 1:21:57.520 --> 1:21:59.599 you couldn't change the story once it was out in print. 1:21:59.640 --> 1:22:02.080 You can easily go onto a website and change a 1:22:02.120 --> 1:22:03.200 fuck up now, and I think a lot of. 1:22:03.200 --> 1:22:05.320 People just don't and that shit just lives on the 1:22:05.320 --> 1:22:05.960 internet forever. 1:22:06.200 --> 1:22:08.479 Yeah, because it got wild because here it says like, oh, 1:22:08.479 --> 1:22:10.840 the older kids left, like some of the older their 1:22:10.840 --> 1:22:15.120 bio kids were there, like there's just different things. And 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:17.439 then it would say eleven total and then it was 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:19.519 no eleven adopted and it was like, what the fuck 1:22:19.600 --> 1:22:20.439 is going on here? 1:22:20.680 --> 1:22:20.920 You now? 1:22:21.200 --> 1:22:24.920 But you know, I did the best, but so yeah, 1:22:24.920 --> 1:22:27.160 they were like empty nesters, I guess, and decided to 1:22:27.200 --> 1:22:28.880 adopt a bunch of kids. So that was like in 1:22:28.920 --> 1:22:31.280 nineteen eighty two. The time of like the rest and 1:22:31.320 --> 1:22:33.160 all this coming to light and the crimes was two 1:22:33.200 --> 1:22:37.000 thousand and five. So yeah, basically, they adopted a bunch 1:22:37.000 --> 1:22:40.000 of kids and kept them in cages. Two bio kids 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:42.880 and then from other marriages. They didn't have kids together, 1:22:44.040 --> 1:22:47.360 so like Brady Bunch style, but you know, twisted. So 1:22:47.520 --> 1:22:50.559 and those kids were living in an abusive environment but 1:22:50.680 --> 1:22:55.599 avoided abuse and neglect that the adopted children did. So 1:22:56.120 --> 1:23:00.080 eleven adopted children ages one to fourteen, and they they 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:04.960 all had conditions ranging from autism to HIV to fas 1:23:05.000 --> 1:23:10.639 Down syndrome, Pika attachment disorders. So you know, eleven kids 1:23:10.680 --> 1:23:15.400 with special needs. That's for special people. Only special people 1:23:15.479 --> 1:23:18.600 can handle something like that. Michael and Sharon were not 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:21.160 those people, you know what I mean? Yeah, only the 1:23:21.200 --> 1:23:24.280 New York Post wrote this. This is not written anywhere. 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:27.839 There's no photos, so I don't know, but it says 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:30.320 that all the kids were black and yet the parents 1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:33.720 were white. And this might lead to the big part 1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:36.160 where the city did not care sooner. Yeah, and why 1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:38.600 no one checked on these people and why these psychopaths 1:23:38.600 --> 1:23:41.439 were able to adopt eleven fucking kids and not be 1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:44.320 watched over and let kids be in cages for as 1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:44.920 long as they were. 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:46.160 Yeah, but it's not. 1:23:46.080 --> 1:23:50.000 Written anywhere else, and it's like, but it's important to 1:23:50.240 --> 1:23:52.639 under I don't know. But it's also the Post. Can 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:54.960 we even trust the New York Post? But why would 1:23:55.000 --> 1:23:58.120 they lie about the kids race? Yeah, it just adds 1:23:58.160 --> 1:24:00.400 a thing because you'll see, like the neglect that really 1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:03.880 happened with the city and these children, and I just wonder. 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:07.439 So the kids were sleeping in cages. They were stacked 1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:09.000 on top of each other in a bedroom on the 1:24:09.000 --> 1:24:10.080 second floor of the house. 1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:11.639 Each cage was three. 1:24:11.520 --> 1:24:14.000 And a half feet tall and painted in primary colors, 1:24:14.080 --> 1:24:15.800 so a lot of these kids couldn't even stand in 1:24:15.840 --> 1:24:19.200 these cages. They were rigged with alarms and if they 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:21.040 were open, and one had a dresser in front of 1:24:21.040 --> 1:24:23.400 it as well. No pillows, no blankets, just thin masks. 1:24:23.400 --> 1:24:27.000 Oh my god. And the cops raided their home September 1:24:27.040 --> 1:24:29.040 two thousand and five after receiving a tip. 1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:30.479 We don't know who the tip is. 1:24:30.600 --> 1:24:33.040 Investigators said the room smelled of urine when they showed 1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:35.960 up with a warrant. Also, two of adoptive kids' names 1:24:35.960 --> 1:24:38.519 were named Sharon and Michael, So they named their adoptive 1:24:38.560 --> 1:24:42.000 children after themselves. That's a red flag. Yeah, they shouldn't 1:24:42.000 --> 1:24:44.000 have been able to adopt another child after that, like 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:47.160 change their names. Oh my gosh. Yeah, And Sharon and 1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:49.439 Michael were the only two kids that were documented ever 1:24:49.479 --> 1:24:50.200 going to school. 1:24:50.240 --> 1:24:51.240 The rest of them did not. 1:24:52.200 --> 1:24:55.880 Neighbors said the kids looked well fed, there were tons 1:24:55.880 --> 1:24:58.360 of toys, and they were polite and well dressed kids. 1:24:59.120 --> 1:25:01.799 So from the outside, maybe there was like a different facade. 1:25:01.840 --> 1:25:05.080 But also other witnesses at the Gravel's trial testified to 1:25:05.120 --> 1:25:08.679 other abuse like shoving the children's heads into a toilet 1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:12.080 and flushing it, beating them with sticks and boards, and 1:25:12.479 --> 1:25:15.200 hosing them off outside the house in the winter. And 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:17.479 the biological kids spoke out to the news Harold in 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:19.400 two thousand and six saying that they were treated like 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:23.000 borders after the death of their mother. So I guess 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:25.280 those are like the dad's kids. The mom died and 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:29.840 then like a Cinderella situation occurred. Also, reports showed that 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:33.040 Sharon's biological daughter was sexually molested for two years by 1:25:33.040 --> 1:25:37.120 Sharon's previous husband, and then the ex husband was convicted 1:25:37.160 --> 1:25:39.320 and sent to prison, but she allowed him to move 1:25:39.360 --> 1:25:42.559 back with her and her daughter after his release, which 1:25:42.560 --> 1:25:45.439 proves what a dumb bitch she is. And then another 1:25:45.479 --> 1:25:47.360 added layer at all this is in two thousand and one, 1:25:47.400 --> 1:25:50.519 there are court papers where Sharon requested a separation and 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:52.920 wanted custody of the eight children at the time because 1:25:52.960 --> 1:25:56.000 of her husband's physical mistreatment of the children. So after 1:25:56.040 --> 1:25:58.200 that though, they were able to adopt three more kids. 1:25:58.439 --> 1:26:01.320 What Michael told the rude that he felt he was 1:26:01.360 --> 1:26:05.479 being led by the Lord. Of course, they lost custody 1:26:05.479 --> 1:26:07.360 of the kids after all. This came out in September 1:26:07.400 --> 1:26:09.439 two thousand and five, and then they were convicted December 1:26:09.479 --> 1:26:12.000 two thousand and six. After the arrest, the children were 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:15.120 put into four separate foster homes. And with these there's 1:26:15.160 --> 1:26:18.320 always an excuse like they took absolutely no accountability. 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:20.800 Obviously they were just like no, no, no, like. 1:26:20.880 --> 1:26:22.680 But my thing is like, did they actually believe what 1:26:22.720 --> 1:26:24.840 they were saying or they just psycho liars? Either way, 1:26:24.880 --> 1:26:27.200 I don't care. They're evil. They said they had to 1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:29.800 put these kids in enclosed beds for their safety so 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:32.400 they didn't wander at night. She also said that the 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:37.880 psychiatrists actually recommended for the kids to sleep in cages. Also, like, 1:26:38.040 --> 1:26:42.640 because of the disorders, traditional methods of behavior control were unsuccessful, 1:26:43.120 --> 1:26:44.719 and it's like, yeah, again, you don't have to adopt 1:26:44.760 --> 1:26:45.519 eleven kids. 1:26:46.040 --> 1:26:47.519 So December two thousand and six. 1:26:47.400 --> 1:26:50.240 The couple were found guilty of four fellonyccounts of child 1:26:50.280 --> 1:26:53.720 and dangering, two misdemeanor counts of child and dangering, and 1:26:53.800 --> 1:26:57.080 five misdemeanor counts of child abuse. They were acquitted of 1:26:57.080 --> 1:26:59.800 thirteen other charges. The max they were facing, though, is 1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:03.120 one to five years in prison, which is confusing, and 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:06.120 then the max fine is ten grand for each felony count. 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:09.240 But yeah, they only got two years, kind of like 1:27:09.600 --> 1:27:12.599 in the episode, so they only got Yeah, they only 1:27:12.600 --> 1:27:15.120 got two years for abusing eleven kids with special needs? 1:27:15.160 --> 1:27:17.960 Again does race play? Like it's hard not to think 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:18.799 about that element. 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:19.880 And I wouldn't have. 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:21.559 Even known it if I didn't, if we didn't have 1:27:21.640 --> 1:27:23.639 kind of a sick fascination with the New York Posts 1:27:23.880 --> 1:27:26.639 because it's not really a respected news source. But now 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:30.640 I don't respect any news sources. What is shocking but 1:27:30.840 --> 1:27:34.559 not shocking is the judge let them remain free on 1:27:34.720 --> 1:27:39.200 bond during the appeal process because the judge said Ohio 1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:42.559 child abuse laws are not clear on what constitutes abuse. 1:27:43.040 --> 1:27:45.599 In two thousand and nine, the Ohio Supreme Court rejected 1:27:45.600 --> 1:27:48.599 their appeal finally, which said that their search and seizure 1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:52.040 rights were violated and they finally went to jail. They 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:54.040 also said they couldn't get a fair trial because the 1:27:54.040 --> 1:27:57.000 picture of the cages were sent to the media. It's like, yeah, 1:27:57.000 --> 1:28:00.000 we don't like the cages. Yeah, Like, no matter where 1:28:00.200 --> 1:28:02.400 they were shown, we wouldn't have been into the cages. 1:28:02.439 --> 1:28:04.559 If you can alarm a cage, why can't you alarm 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:06.600 a bedroom, Like, why can't you alarma a bedroom? If 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:08.759 you're worried they're gonna wander, put them in a bedroom 1:28:08.920 --> 1:28:11.200 and make there be some kind of alarm that wakes 1:28:11.240 --> 1:28:12.439 you up if they try to get out at night. 1:28:12.439 --> 1:28:13.960 I mean there's tons of shit people put like little 1:28:14.000 --> 1:28:17.679 whiffle balls over the fucking door handles so kids can't 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:17.960 get out. 1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:18.840 There's plenty of ways you. 1:28:18.840 --> 1:28:20.599 Can keep your kids from getting out of their bedroom, 1:28:20.760 --> 1:28:23.200 but they involved letting them sleep with a blanket and 1:28:23.400 --> 1:28:26.040 you know, like have a pillow, Yeah, and not be 1:28:26.080 --> 1:28:27.280 in a cage. 1:28:27.360 --> 1:28:29.800 In two thousand and nine, two of the teams sued 1:28:29.840 --> 1:28:34.160 the couple and the caseworkers. That's who I am, That's 1:28:34.200 --> 1:28:37.120 who I wanted to Yeah, that's who arranged the adoptions. 1:28:37.120 --> 1:28:39.559 The suit was also against Hamilton County Department of Job 1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:42.519 and Family Services in Cincinnati. The suit is like they 1:28:42.520 --> 1:28:44.479 were unfit to be parents and should never have gotten 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:47.559 custody of the children. In twenty ten, two more children 1:28:47.600 --> 1:28:51.000 decided to file a lawsuit against Colin Myers and Fairhaven 1:28:51.080 --> 1:28:54.920 Counseling Ink, which performed an adoptive assessment of the Gravels 1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:58.280 before fully approving them to serve as adoptive parents. The 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:01.000 couple was released from prison and tooy eleven, both at 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:04.759 sixty two years of age. She divorced him and changed 1:29:04.760 --> 1:29:08.400 her name to Sharon Curtis Tipperman, and after the release, 1:29:08.439 --> 1:29:11.519 she tried to get guardianship of her sick mother for 1:29:12.240 --> 1:29:16.519 the mom's wealth. Okay, my god, so the lawsuit. In 1:29:16.520 --> 1:29:18.599 twenty ten, the victims reached a one point two million 1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:23.760 dollar settlement with Ohio's a Huron County. Finally, in twenty fourteen, 1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:27.200 eleven of the victims reached a two million dollar settlement 1:29:27.240 --> 1:29:30.559 with Ohio's Start county. In both these settlement cases, the 1:29:30.560 --> 1:29:34.320 attorneys argue the county's authorities failed to adequately investigate you know, 1:29:34.520 --> 1:29:36.400 gravels before placing the children in the home. 1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:37.320 Duh. 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:40.320 Because of this case, Ohio decided to change up their 1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:42.639 adopted rules and you're not allowed to adopt more than 1:29:42.640 --> 1:29:47.679 five children without a thorough investigation. Sure, Ohio, But why 1:29:47.760 --> 1:29:51.320 wasn't that part of the initial plans. 1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:54.080 But it's also like what does the number have to 1:29:54.120 --> 1:29:56.040 do with it? I mean, like you could be pretty 1:29:56.040 --> 1:29:57.320 you could be keeping four kids in. 1:29:57.280 --> 1:30:00.840 Cages, but that's okay, Like, you know, but I don't 1:30:00.840 --> 1:30:02.519 think you should be able to adopt that many kids. 1:30:02.560 --> 1:30:04.639 But I don't. I know, it's crazy. 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:07.880 Well because to me then it feels like you are 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:12.240 doing it for the checks, another kid whatever, throw another 1:30:12.280 --> 1:30:14.280 kid into a bedroom with another kid and like get 1:30:14.320 --> 1:30:16.360 more money. Yeah, like I do think people are then 1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:18.519 doing it for like because it's like a business. Then 1:30:19.240 --> 1:30:22.000 you know, so I see that. But then you know 1:30:22.120 --> 1:30:25.480 Delilah the radio show host, she adopted a ton of kids. 1:30:25.720 --> 1:30:33.200 Well yeah, she's she's like a weirdo Christian lady. Yeah, Delah, Hi, Liz, 1:30:33.200 --> 1:30:35.080 I'm so glad you talked about this case today. 1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:38.400 I was so good. 1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:41.240 Okay, well, both of those crimes are horrific. Thank you 1:30:41.320 --> 1:30:44.559 for doing the research. We do have an amazing guest 1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:46.439 today and you guys are gonna love her, So just 1:30:46.439 --> 1:30:57.520 don't go anywhere. Our guests this week you might recognize 1:30:57.560 --> 1:31:00.759 from HBO's The Wire, a little show on that channel, 1:31:01.080 --> 1:31:04.400 or the show Damages, a personal favorite of mine. But 1:31:04.680 --> 1:31:08.200 most likely you know her from appearing in over one 1:31:08.280 --> 1:31:11.800 hundred and sixty episodes of the NBC drama also from 1:31:11.840 --> 1:31:15.280 the Dick Wolf Universe Chicago Med as head charge nurse 1:31:15.439 --> 1:31:16.400 Maggie Lockwood. 1:31:16.520 --> 1:31:17.639 But today you know. 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:21.360 Her from the episode Cage as Alma Cordoza. Please enjoy 1:31:21.360 --> 1:31:23.519 our chat with the wonderful Marlene Barrett. 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:28.800 Hello, Hi Marlene, thank you so much for being here. Ooh, 1:31:28.840 --> 1:31:34.759 look at that. You're a first guest with effects. What's happening? 1:31:35.439 --> 1:31:37.600 I think so? I think so, but don't ask me 1:31:37.640 --> 1:31:38.800 how I did it. I don't know how. 1:31:40.120 --> 1:31:43.160 Well, no, because it happened. Uh, Marlene had the thumbs up, 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:45.160 come up? Remember that happened when we were facetiming. You're like, 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:46.800 how did that happen? And I said I don't know. 1:31:46.880 --> 1:31:47.960 It just happened with her too. 1:31:48.479 --> 1:31:51.000 Yeah, it's like for corporate meetings where you can like 1:31:51.160 --> 1:31:52.920 raise your hand or something. 1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:54.200 I don't know. 1:31:54.640 --> 1:31:56.760 I'm actually figuring out how to do I'm looking at 1:31:56.800 --> 1:32:02.160 how to do it right now. But yeah, yeah, corporate America, Marlene. 1:32:02.840 --> 1:32:05.720 This is huge for us because I feel like we're 1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:11.240 talking to a like Dick Wolf Royalty right now. At 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:14.719 least as IMDb says, you are the longest running cast 1:32:14.720 --> 1:32:15.920 member on Chicago Med. 1:32:15.920 --> 1:32:17.920 You have the most episodes on Chicago Med. 1:32:18.200 --> 1:32:20.479 Well, actually, correction, there is. 1:32:21.920 --> 1:32:26.840 Doctor Charles and Goodwin who have been there longer than me. 1:32:27.800 --> 1:32:33.000 No, we gotta tell IMDb because they got number baby. 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:39.960 Because who plays Sharon Goodwin has fourteen years over. 1:32:39.920 --> 1:32:40.720 On Law and Order? 1:32:41.400 --> 1:32:45.160 Yes, yes, but on Chicago Med, a Pathos even a 1:32:45.200 --> 1:32:46.400 few episodes behind you. 1:32:46.720 --> 1:32:49.680 Like when you look at the Chicago Med, you have 1:32:49.720 --> 1:32:52.040 one sixty seven and she has won sixty six. 1:32:52.120 --> 1:32:53.240 Maybe she took a day off. 1:32:55.840 --> 1:32:58.280 Well, what I love is that you are a person 1:32:58.320 --> 1:33:00.759 that doesn't look at your own IMDb and that's really important. 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:02.120 Yeh don't. 1:33:02.360 --> 1:33:06.519 I don't. I don't. I don't know why. I just don't. 1:33:06.600 --> 1:33:09.800 Well, not only are you in full SVW Glory and 1:33:09.880 --> 1:33:12.240 so many different shows. We're gonna talk about Cage, but 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:14.120 we love the episode Night. 1:33:14.680 --> 1:33:16.720 You are so good in it. I can't believe we're 1:33:16.760 --> 1:33:17.320 talking to you. 1:33:17.479 --> 1:33:21.080 Yes, Oh, come on, that's such an emotional scene and 1:33:21.160 --> 1:33:24.679 it's stuck with both of us and I can't believe 1:33:24.680 --> 1:33:24.920 it's you. 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:27.920 We Actually, we haven't covered that episode on the podcast 1:33:27.960 --> 1:33:30.120 because we do it at live shows because it's not 1:33:30.240 --> 1:33:32.800 based on a true crime per se. But it's like 1:33:32.840 --> 1:33:34.880 one of our favorites to do at the live show. 1:33:35.280 --> 1:33:38.000 Nice and it's Yeah. When I was looking at the 1:33:38.280 --> 1:33:39.920 I was like, oh my god, she's also a knight. 1:33:40.080 --> 1:33:40.360 Wow. 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:43.800 I was shooting that one with Benson Stabler and then 1:33:43.840 --> 1:33:45.519 having to be so emotional, and. 1:33:45.640 --> 1:33:48.040 You know, I'll say that, you know, outside of the 1:33:48.040 --> 1:33:50.160 fact that yes, I'm a Wolf Universe, but I think 1:33:50.160 --> 1:33:54.439 I became a Wolf Universe junkie when I worked with them. 1:33:54.840 --> 1:34:00.519 Yeah, because one, you know, sex crime is stuff like that. 1:34:00.640 --> 1:34:02.519 I feel like I carried guns behind my back all 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:03.240 the time and I'm. 1:34:03.120 --> 1:34:06.759 Like, I wish she would, you know, That's how I feel. 1:34:07.800 --> 1:34:08.600 But when I was. 1:34:08.600 --> 1:34:12.559 Shooting with them, Marishka created an atmosphere that made me go, 1:34:12.720 --> 1:34:14.959 when I grow up, I want to be like her. Wow, 1:34:15.160 --> 1:34:17.800 because I remember being so nervous because I'm like, I'm 1:34:17.840 --> 1:34:20.920 such a fan and I got on the show and 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:22.760 I was like yeah, yeah, yeah, but then you're like, 1:34:23.160 --> 1:34:25.280 oh man, the craft, I have to focus, I have 1:34:25.320 --> 1:34:25.840 to get there. 1:34:26.040 --> 1:34:28.640 But I was so excited that it took a lot 1:34:28.840 --> 1:34:32.960 and she did this thing. She had the entire atmosphere just. 1:34:33.000 --> 1:34:39.240 Nobody, just chill out, quiet, and right away it just 1:34:39.400 --> 1:34:43.680 sunk in goof Yeah, you know, I really believe that 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:46.880 when you're around her, she pulls out of you. This 1:34:47.120 --> 1:34:51.320 film performance, it was just so safe because I you know, 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:54.479 when you do these shows, when they portray like these 1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:57.880 truly gruesome crimes that could happen to women, They're like, 1:34:57.880 --> 1:35:00.200 I want to do justice to the women that I've 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:01.680 gone through crazy stuff like that. 1:35:02.320 --> 1:35:04.880 So, I mean, I loved it and I became. 1:35:04.920 --> 1:35:06.840 Addicted to the Wolf universe because of it. 1:35:07.000 --> 1:35:07.560 Yeah. 1:35:07.600 --> 1:35:11.160 You know they yell cut, You're like, yeah, the action, 1:35:11.280 --> 1:35:12.720 You're like, oh, you know. 1:35:14.040 --> 1:35:17.880 So after that, though, did you have to keep auditioning 1:35:18.000 --> 1:35:20.360 or did they just keep calling you or a mix 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:20.880 of both. 1:35:21.040 --> 1:35:22.640 It depends, you know, I auditioned. 1:35:22.720 --> 1:35:24.960 I did the Law and Order Wolf universe that way, 1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:28.120 but I also did Conviction with them, yeah, which is 1:35:28.400 --> 1:35:31.599 another show that they had. On that show, I had 1:35:31.600 --> 1:35:34.040 a great time too, but I didn't audition for that. 1:35:34.560 --> 1:35:37.360 And I also did Try by Jury, which was a 1:35:37.479 --> 1:35:40.800 Law and Order that only had a one season run, 1:35:41.280 --> 1:35:44.679 and I remember on that one we did a true 1:35:44.680 --> 1:35:45.439 crime too. 1:35:45.720 --> 1:35:48.439 Yeah, that was bb Newarth was leading exactly. 1:35:48.840 --> 1:35:52.320 Yeah. And Clark the British actor who did Cabaret with 1:35:52.320 --> 1:35:55.559 her back in the day, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, huge 1:35:55.800 --> 1:35:59.360 actor who's also been in John Wick, the first John 1:35:59.400 --> 1:36:01.599 Wick I believe, no, the second one. 1:36:02.000 --> 1:36:02.920 I think it's the first one. 1:36:02.920 --> 1:36:04.920 I haven't seen that yet. I gotta see it. 1:36:05.320 --> 1:36:05.920 You should see it. 1:36:05.960 --> 1:36:07.960 You should see it because Clark is in John Wick 1:36:07.960 --> 1:36:10.559 and John Wick. He gets killed by you know, the 1:36:10.600 --> 1:36:13.559 actress with the black hair that comes in and john 1:36:13.600 --> 1:36:16.000 Wick catches her because she comes into john Wick's room 1:36:16.240 --> 1:36:19.000 and tries to kill John Wick. And John Wick is like, 1:36:19.439 --> 1:36:21.600 no way, sexy lady, you're not getting me. 1:36:22.400 --> 1:36:23.080 Remember that one. 1:36:23.640 --> 1:36:26.320 Wait, you're a big fan. You love movies and TV. 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:30.400 Obviously I'm a junkie. Yeah, I'm a junkie. 1:36:30.479 --> 1:36:32.120 Yeah too, like not a little bit. 1:36:32.200 --> 1:36:34.000 What are your comfort shows? 1:36:34.600 --> 1:36:38.120 Comfort shows like just play the background while I'm cooking? 1:36:38.520 --> 1:36:41.799 Yeah, old school on in Order, the first generation? 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:44.200 Yeah, Sam Waterston. 1:36:44.320 --> 1:36:49.040 Yes, first generation. Even before Sam Waterston. The other guy 1:36:49.560 --> 1:36:52.240 I don't even know, Jesse Martin and I did an 1:36:52.240 --> 1:36:55.360 episode with him, and I remember I had to cry 1:36:55.360 --> 1:36:58.040 in for that guy. I remember going, I'm not gonna 1:36:58.080 --> 1:37:00.200 cry because you're too sexy for me to cry. I'm 1:37:00.240 --> 1:37:03.160 from and I was single at the time, and I 1:37:03.240 --> 1:37:06.120 was like, should I get a deep how deep should 1:37:06.160 --> 1:37:10.200 I go? Nothing happens, so move along whatever. 1:37:10.320 --> 1:37:12.720 But so Lawn and Order Original was your first like 1:37:12.840 --> 1:37:16.240 foray into the that was like your first role on 1:37:16.320 --> 1:37:18.720 Dick Wolf stuff, right, I think according to this, like 1:37:18.800 --> 1:37:20.799 around five or something, right. 1:37:20.680 --> 1:37:23.519 First role, Yes, straight out of school. 1:37:23.840 --> 1:37:28.400 But more importantly, my parents learn how to speak English 1:37:28.520 --> 1:37:31.799 with some deep wolf stuff like he'll street blues. 1:37:32.479 --> 1:37:33.080 Oh wow. 1:37:33.280 --> 1:37:36.559 My parents are immigrant from Haiti and he'll street blues 1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:39.200 like my dad's trying to shape his mouth, like trying 1:37:39.200 --> 1:37:40.880 to say the things like they are so you can 1:37:40.920 --> 1:37:41.680 sound American. 1:37:42.120 --> 1:37:43.120 Oh my gosh. 1:37:43.280 --> 1:37:45.680 I was born in the former Soviet Union and I 1:37:45.760 --> 1:37:47.320 learned the English watching Baywatch. 1:37:47.400 --> 1:37:47.920 That was like. 1:37:51.479 --> 1:37:52.000 Who else? 1:37:52.600 --> 1:37:55.440 Who else we teach you because you grew up in Chicago. 1:37:55.560 --> 1:37:57.479 But then you've got a little bit of a valley girl. 1:38:00.760 --> 1:38:01.600 That's hilarious. 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:03.000 Yeah, something I have accents. 1:38:03.120 --> 1:38:05.559 So are you in Chicago and you're filming obviously because 1:38:05.560 --> 1:38:06.360 I'm for stokey. 1:38:07.080 --> 1:38:08.240 Oh you are nice. 1:38:08.520 --> 1:38:11.519 Yeah, So I really loved Chicago. 1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:14.160 We had Stephen Weber on our podcast and we did 1:38:14.240 --> 1:38:17.120 fall in love with him, one of your cast Smkes Weber. 1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:19.280 I was shooting with him yesterday. 1:38:19.520 --> 1:38:20.759 Yeah, we became smitten. 1:38:21.000 --> 1:38:23.200 Yeah, tell him, we say, hi, we love him. 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:25.639 Mister sexy, isn't he Yeah? 1:38:25.640 --> 1:38:26.000 He is. 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:27.320 He really got us. 1:38:27.360 --> 1:38:29.799 We invited him to come see our live show in Chicago, 1:38:29.880 --> 1:38:31.720 but he had an early call time, so you know 1:38:31.760 --> 1:38:32.879 he puts the work first. 1:38:33.280 --> 1:38:36.360 Stephen Webbers just love that man. 1:38:36.760 --> 1:38:37.719 Yeah, he's the best. 1:38:37.760 --> 1:38:39.479 He's off his rocker. 1:38:41.280 --> 1:38:43.480 Well, let me just say this, you talk about knowledge, 1:38:43.600 --> 1:38:45.760 Stephen Weber will give you a list of movies that 1:38:45.800 --> 1:38:46.519 you need to watch. 1:38:46.640 --> 1:38:50.559 And he starts in nineteen forty five, Steve, Stephen, do 1:38:50.680 --> 1:38:53.400 they even have like these movies on dvd? I don't 1:38:53.400 --> 1:38:55.400 even have a DVD player anymore? Like, where am I 1:38:55.400 --> 1:38:56.559 going to find these things. 1:38:56.880 --> 1:38:59.799 Kara's husband is like that, that's her husband. He watches 1:38:59.840 --> 1:39:02.599 like horror movies. We still have a DVD player. He's 1:39:02.640 --> 1:39:05.559 into old, old stuff. It's like a weird men thing. 1:39:05.680 --> 1:39:06.120 I don't know. 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:08.240 Maybe I'm sure there's women out there who love old stuff, 1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:09.559 but I haven't met that many of them. 1:39:09.680 --> 1:39:11.439 I just got a list, so I just want you 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:13.720 to get to know about that. 1:39:13.720 --> 1:39:16.320 That's interesting that you mentioned that your parents are immigrants 1:39:16.320 --> 1:39:18.559 from Haiti, because I went on your Instagram and I 1:39:18.560 --> 1:39:20.720 saw you giving an interview in full French, and I 1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:22.320 was like, where is she from? 1:39:22.400 --> 1:39:24.599 Like it's just like fully fluent at French. 1:39:24.920 --> 1:39:27.400 But what's what's weird is that one of the little 1:39:27.400 --> 1:39:29.800 boys from cage is from Haiti as well, and it's 1:39:29.960 --> 1:39:32.040 and like one of the detectives is speaking French to him. 1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:33.080 You know that? 1:39:33.800 --> 1:39:34.559 Do I remember that? 1:39:34.920 --> 1:39:36.599 I don't know how much you worked with the two 1:39:36.640 --> 1:39:38.599 little kids, like Elle Fanning and the little boy. 1:39:38.760 --> 1:39:41.320 It's a little bit with Elle, yeah, and then I 1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:42.960 worked with Wonder Woman's mama. 1:39:43.080 --> 1:39:48.600 Oh okay, Annie Nielsen, Annie Nielsen, that's her. So she 1:39:48.960 --> 1:39:51.720 speaks French to the little boy and he freaks out 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:54.559 and he stabs Stabler with a pen in the chest 1:39:54.600 --> 1:39:57.160 and she's telling him in French, calm down, Calm down, man. 1:39:57.240 --> 1:39:59.520 I don't remember that. Yeah, he stabs stablir. 1:39:59.720 --> 1:39:59.920 Miss. 1:40:00.000 --> 1:40:02.320 It's an opportunity for you to have like some you know, 1:40:02.720 --> 1:40:04.160 speak some French with this little kid. 1:40:04.200 --> 1:40:04.920 It would have been great. 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:07.360 We talked about this, you know, not long ago when 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:10.320 I saw Dick said, Marlet you speak French. 1:40:10.320 --> 1:40:12.519 Why don't we ever put any French in your stuff? 1:40:12.800 --> 1:40:15.240 And I'm like, well, we already established her as a 1:40:15.320 --> 1:40:17.040 Chicagoan that comes from down south. 1:40:17.400 --> 1:40:19.360 We can't go there, Dick, it doesn't work. 1:40:19.479 --> 1:40:22.040 Suddenly she had a semester abroad in Paris and she 1:40:22.120 --> 1:40:25.000 speaks French's. 1:40:23.800 --> 1:40:25.960 Back with a gar song and I'm like, no, Dick, 1:40:26.040 --> 1:40:26.639 it doesn't work. 1:40:26.680 --> 1:40:27.360 It doesn't work. 1:40:27.560 --> 1:40:29.840 We did do something though, where we put it in 1:40:30.680 --> 1:40:32.519 last season when I came back and I had a 1:40:32.600 --> 1:40:35.360 date with my husband and I went on vacation and 1:40:35.640 --> 1:40:38.679 came back with French accent or French something for two minutes. 1:40:38.720 --> 1:40:41.360 But that was about it. But I didn't work with 1:40:41.520 --> 1:40:45.080 that boy, but I worked with Elle. And first of all, 1:40:45.120 --> 1:40:47.519 let me just say that it was clear where she 1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:51.960 was going, Wow, Yeah, moneyball, moneyball all day long. 1:40:52.040 --> 1:40:52.280 Wow. 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:56.000 And I first want to say that work ethic was clear, 1:40:56.640 --> 1:40:59.040 So you knew that this little girl was so focused 1:40:59.040 --> 1:41:02.479 that if she maintained it and did get caught up 1:41:02.520 --> 1:41:04.320 in nonsense, she was gonna go far. 1:41:04.600 --> 1:41:06.880 And as we can tell, she has maintained it. 1:41:07.360 --> 1:41:08.800 And she had this thing. I remember she had this. 1:41:09.040 --> 1:41:10.600 We had this conversation together and she was there with 1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:12.360 Grandma and Grandma. 1:41:12.080 --> 1:41:12.759 Had an accent. 1:41:13.680 --> 1:41:17.360 She was like that and she was beautiful. So she 1:41:17.520 --> 1:41:21.360 came in and she was like, well, my sister has. 1:41:21.200 --> 1:41:23.840 A phone, and I don't have a phone yet, but. 1:41:23.760 --> 1:41:25.720 My sister has a phone, and when I grow up, 1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:26.800 I'm going to have a phone too. 1:41:27.160 --> 1:41:28.000 That's what she said to me. 1:41:28.560 --> 1:41:31.800 And I was like, she's talking about Dakota, Like, yeah, 1:41:31.840 --> 1:41:33.440 you're just allowed to have a phone. 1:41:34.360 --> 1:41:36.439 If I was a man on fire, I would ask 1:41:36.439 --> 1:41:37.520 for a phone after. 1:41:37.520 --> 1:41:39.719 Oh my gosh, give me my phone. 1:41:40.040 --> 1:41:42.880 And I'm sitting there going incredible. 1:41:43.560 --> 1:41:47.440 And she was so humble, she was so family orientated, 1:41:48.200 --> 1:41:49.360 and she played. 1:41:49.080 --> 1:41:50.519 A psycle path and that thing. 1:41:51.439 --> 1:41:54.479 Mean, while they're like Alma Coldoza is like crazy and 1:41:54.520 --> 1:41:55.759 I'm like I'm crazy. 1:41:56.560 --> 1:41:59.640 How about children up the corner over here. Yes, she was, 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:02.280 Allan said, because she you know, burned the thing and 1:42:02.320 --> 1:42:04.559 she was just screaming I want to die and kicking 1:42:04.600 --> 1:42:07.320 and Connie Nielsen I was like, wow, it's how did 1:42:07.360 --> 1:42:08.160 that not affect her? 1:42:08.680 --> 1:42:09.000 Yeah? 1:42:09.040 --> 1:42:12.000 Ah, she was. They would y'all cut and that girl 1:42:12.080 --> 1:42:14.639 was just out wow action. 1:42:15.880 --> 1:42:18.080 It was like you focus, you know, because when you 1:42:18.680 --> 1:42:21.679 I think when you perform as an actor, your ability 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:24.599 to focus and to concentrate, but at the same time 1:42:24.760 --> 1:42:27.519 just stay connected with how many people are out there 1:42:27.560 --> 1:42:28.720 just working. 1:42:28.400 --> 1:42:30.400 With you to capture what you're shooting. 1:42:30.760 --> 1:42:33.920 Yeah, so it's like this duality of your dancing with 1:42:33.960 --> 1:42:36.679 the camera, but at the same time you're so focused 1:42:36.680 --> 1:42:39.439 that it's like this wave that's unspoken that you have 1:42:39.520 --> 1:42:42.679 to dance with the camera and you She was young 1:42:42.720 --> 1:42:43.559 and she had. 1:42:43.360 --> 1:42:46.360 It, yes, young eight when she made that episode. 1:42:46.400 --> 1:42:48.880 She was eight, so young, but I guess she'd probably 1:42:48.920 --> 1:42:51.120 been watching her sister do it for a while, so 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:53.760 in terms of like, you know, the focus, she was 1:42:53.800 --> 1:42:56.000 probably like, Okay, I just like, you know, I. 1:42:56.000 --> 1:42:58.960 Love that al Fanning was in sv Ann Abigail Bresla, 1:42:59.040 --> 1:43:01.920 and that makes me happy. 1:43:01.960 --> 1:43:04.600 Crazy all these young these young prodigies. 1:43:05.439 --> 1:43:06.599 Yeah, because in. 1:43:06.560 --> 1:43:08.640 The in your first episode when you did Night, you 1:43:08.680 --> 1:43:11.400 had a lot of like Stabler and Benson FaceTime, right 1:43:11.400 --> 1:43:14.040 because they come to your apartment. But like in this one, 1:43:14.240 --> 1:43:17.599 you're more munch in Finn because I Stabler's in this episode. 1:43:17.600 --> 1:43:19.960 But Marishka, I think is on maternity leave, so you 1:43:19.960 --> 1:43:21.680 didn't work with her in this one, I don't think right, 1:43:21.840 --> 1:43:24.720 So how was it, Like, how was the interrogation with 1:43:24.800 --> 1:43:28.240 those two? Did you get any ice cold facts from 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:28.760 Iced Tea? 1:43:29.160 --> 1:43:29.280 Like? 1:43:29.360 --> 1:43:30.360 What how did that go? 1:43:30.600 --> 1:43:35.040 I'm a crazy Iced Tea fan New Jack City. 1:43:35.280 --> 1:43:37.280 I mean us too, man so. 1:43:37.920 --> 1:43:43.880 Mounch Man, I remember off camera Iced Tea was just amazing. 1:43:44.000 --> 1:43:46.360 A media's wife, Coco got. 1:43:46.240 --> 1:43:48.960 A chance to hang out. He's just so inviting as 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:52.920 a person. Maybe at this atmosphere, very relaxed. And then 1:43:53.040 --> 1:43:55.640 Monch himself, we kept on talking about wine. That's what 1:43:55.720 --> 1:43:58.639 we talked about. We talked about you know, great wine, 1:43:58.880 --> 1:44:02.200 and I was just starting in the wine world, and 1:44:02.240 --> 1:44:04.400 I don't think I went very far with that. I 1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:07.599 just like, I just like good wine, but who cares 1:44:07.600 --> 1:44:10.920 where it's made? I'm like, yeah, you know, so it 1:44:10.960 --> 1:44:13.439 was a great atmosphere hostage, so that by the time 1:44:13.479 --> 1:44:16.000 you went and shot with these guys, as intense as 1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:18.439 they came towards you, you felt like you were being 1:44:18.439 --> 1:44:19.879 scolded by your big brothers. 1:44:20.000 --> 1:44:20.920 Why did you do that? 1:44:21.640 --> 1:44:26.599 You didn't feel the intimidation of what necessarily the. 1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:30.320 Character was going through. You felt more about the storyline. 1:44:30.400 --> 1:44:33.439 So again there's something about it's a reason. 1:44:33.240 --> 1:44:34.519 Why that shows lasted so long. 1:44:34.680 --> 1:44:38.160 Yeah, the show last so long because I think when 1:44:38.160 --> 1:44:41.480 they come in, they embrace you into this family structure 1:44:41.640 --> 1:44:46.439 that is really effortless for them. Yeah, and I think 1:44:46.520 --> 1:44:49.160 that has to do with the strong leadership of Marishka. 1:44:49.439 --> 1:44:52.080 You mentioned that you were inspired and it kind of 1:44:52.120 --> 1:44:53.880 got you into the dick Wolf universe, and you're talking 1:44:53.880 --> 1:44:55.920 about it again. So now that you are the number 1:44:55.920 --> 1:44:59.439 one of like your own dick Wolf set, as that 1:45:00.479 --> 1:45:04.639 like influence your behavior on set or like how things 1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:06.400 run at Chicago. 1:45:05.960 --> 1:45:11.160 Mad Absolutely, absolutely, I want to say that there's a standard. 1:45:11.720 --> 1:45:14.320 There's a standard because people work very hard to put 1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:14.920 these shows up. 1:45:15.080 --> 1:45:16.360 You know, there's a. 1:45:16.320 --> 1:45:18.840 Lot of people that were very hard to put these 1:45:18.840 --> 1:45:21.679 shows up backstage, all the way at the production in office. 1:45:21.640 --> 1:45:23.400 When you think about our bosses, at the same time, 1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:25.720 and then by the time you get there and it's 1:45:25.800 --> 1:45:29.760 time to shoot, there's this sense of the first year 1:45:29.800 --> 1:45:31.880 you're like, I hope the show is good, so we 1:45:32.080 --> 1:45:35.800 have a show right then you get picked up and 1:45:35.840 --> 1:45:37.840 then you're at a place where. 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:39.880 Wait a second, how did we get a hit? Sho 1:45:41.320 --> 1:45:44.599 so and then you graduate and you're like, yo, man, 1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:45.320 if this. 1:45:45.320 --> 1:45:50.000 Goes through, maybe you know I could back card myself. 1:45:50.840 --> 1:45:52.519 You don't think house, no, that's the way too big. 1:45:52.560 --> 1:45:54.720 You're just like a car that you don't have a 1:45:54.800 --> 1:46:00.599 note on. And then you're watching people who are doing 1:46:00.600 --> 1:46:02.960 the same thing as you, like local people who are 1:46:03.040 --> 1:46:05.200 building a life too, So then you become a family 1:46:05.240 --> 1:46:08.519 structure with them, and you kind of this responsibility that 1:46:09.439 --> 1:46:12.519 you want to help people build a life too. You know, 1:46:12.560 --> 1:46:14.439 you're watching people who are starting in the street, at 1:46:14.439 --> 1:46:19.080 cameraman grips, in all these different industries and we're all 1:46:19.120 --> 1:46:22.000 doing all this work together to build a life, and 1:46:22.040 --> 1:46:25.200 it's like this miracle operation that you happen to be 1:46:25.439 --> 1:46:29.639 a successful show in the country slash in the world 1:46:29.680 --> 1:46:33.120 right now, you know. So yeah, it becomes this standard 1:46:33.200 --> 1:46:35.280 of I want to make it fun, I. 1:46:35.240 --> 1:46:37.200 Want to make it. These are long hours. 1:46:37.479 --> 1:46:39.519 So I do think that when people come and they 1:46:39.520 --> 1:46:41.400 come and do these guest stars, I want to treat 1:46:41.439 --> 1:46:43.640 them like the way that I was treated when Mariska 1:46:43.720 --> 1:46:46.080 greeted me. I want them to feel safe. I want 1:46:46.120 --> 1:46:48.760 them to be able to do their best performance that 1:46:48.800 --> 1:46:51.280 they can put that on their reel and go after 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:54.439 other gigs, yeah, you know, and get jobs. So I 1:46:54.439 --> 1:46:57.600 think that's really cool. But fun fact is that in 1:46:57.680 --> 1:47:02.160 twenty twenty two, when I got diagnosed with uterine cancer, 1:47:02.240 --> 1:47:03.760 I understand, don't go weird on me. 1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:06.040 Let's just who needs a uterus? Right? 1:47:07.479 --> 1:47:16.479 Just oh my god, Okay, sorry. When I got diagnosed, man, 1:47:16.520 --> 1:47:19.559 that was a tough time because I was about to 1:47:19.600 --> 1:47:21.960 fly in to start my season eight, and you know, 1:47:22.520 --> 1:47:24.400 had they not treated me right, I never would have 1:47:24.400 --> 1:47:25.559 gone to one sixty one. 1:47:25.840 --> 1:47:29.519 But anyways, that's all what I And then when I 1:47:29.600 --> 1:47:30.759 got there and. 1:47:30.640 --> 1:47:32.960 Everybody found out what I was going through, I had 1:47:32.960 --> 1:47:36.320 been cleared that I could work and everybody, you know, 1:47:36.680 --> 1:47:38.960 they checked me out and you know, I needed. 1:47:38.680 --> 1:47:39.479 To start chemo. 1:47:40.000 --> 1:47:41.599 Let me tell you, I was on the show when 1:47:41.760 --> 1:47:44.800 hair started going down, and you know, you're skinning is 1:47:44.840 --> 1:47:47.479 starting to change. You're coming back from chemo and you're 1:47:47.520 --> 1:47:52.800 like that show which is my home right now. Scrapped 1:47:52.840 --> 1:47:57.960 me around in security, just surrounded me. And that was 1:47:57.960 --> 1:48:01.760 from top down, Dick, Peter, those are the bosses, you know, 1:48:01.800 --> 1:48:04.160 so who run the Wolf universe. People want to know 1:48:04.200 --> 1:48:08.479 why that this universe is so powerful they wrapped me 1:48:08.840 --> 1:48:14.599 in such security. Yeah, I missed out of these twenty 1:48:14.600 --> 1:48:16.000 two episodes, I think. 1:48:15.800 --> 1:48:16.639 I missed one. 1:48:17.560 --> 1:48:18.080 Wow. 1:48:18.439 --> 1:48:18.679 One. 1:48:18.880 --> 1:48:22.960 This is with twelve chemo treatments, eight hour surgery. 1:48:23.439 --> 1:48:27.360 I missed one because I said, yo, guys, I just 1:48:27.400 --> 1:48:29.960 need one episode off. I just feel like I'm a 1:48:30.000 --> 1:48:32.240 little depleted. And you know, I was down to like 1:48:32.760 --> 1:48:36.519 a size zero. I was going towards the minus. Uh. 1:48:36.640 --> 1:48:39.280 They did things like I would take my little scooter 1:48:39.400 --> 1:48:42.200 to set because I couldn't walk as much as I 1:48:42.200 --> 1:48:45.599 wanted to. I was out of breath post treatment. And 1:48:45.840 --> 1:48:50.879 that's just a testament to this world, really a testament. 1:48:50.960 --> 1:48:52.519 And let me just say I know. 1:48:53.360 --> 1:48:57.800 There was many a times because I'm a praying fool, 1:48:58.080 --> 1:48:59.479 people say like, why do you pray? 1:48:59.600 --> 1:49:03.559 Because I don't want to die. It couldn't happen at 1:49:03.560 --> 1:49:08.360 a better place. Yeah, for my life to be saved like, oh, was. 1:49:08.400 --> 1:49:11.920 It strange going to a set that was a hospital. 1:49:12.640 --> 1:49:16.839 Absolutely, because my character in the med show had gotten 1:49:16.880 --> 1:49:19.360 cancer three seasons prior. 1:49:20.000 --> 1:49:23.120 Wow, so you have to know that. Let me show 1:49:23.120 --> 1:49:25.439 your picture. So this is how I look. 1:49:25.520 --> 1:49:28.760 You have a great shaped pad though. Thank god, I'll 1:49:28.960 --> 1:49:29.519 tell you something. 1:49:29.600 --> 1:49:30.559 Let me just tell you something. 1:49:30.760 --> 1:49:32.600 When that hair fell and I saw the shape of 1:49:32.600 --> 1:49:34.320 my head, I said, there's a God in heaven. 1:49:34.400 --> 1:49:37.680 Yeah, it could have gone wrong quick. It could have 1:49:37.680 --> 1:49:38.759 gone wrong quick. 1:49:39.360 --> 1:49:42.080 But there's a famous episode that was that TV Guide 1:49:42.160 --> 1:49:45.160 magazine quoted as one of the best episodes we had 1:49:45.200 --> 1:49:48.120 in season five, I think, And it's the episode where 1:49:48.640 --> 1:49:51.240 my character loses all her hair and she's in front 1:49:51.240 --> 1:49:52.639 of the mirror and she has a couple of strings 1:49:52.640 --> 1:49:55.760 and the air left, and I remember pulling on that 1:49:55.920 --> 1:49:59.680 memory to believe that, I mean, surely my character made 1:49:59.680 --> 1:50:00.000 it through. 1:50:00.920 --> 1:50:02.680 There's a God in heaven that knew I was going 1:50:02.760 --> 1:50:05.920 to go through this, and I should believe that I'm 1:50:05.920 --> 1:50:07.840 going to make it through, because you know, a couple 1:50:07.840 --> 1:50:09.679 of times they come back and they do these tests 1:50:09.920 --> 1:50:11.400 and they have these words that are coming out of 1:50:11.400 --> 1:50:14.040 their mouths that you're like, yeah, I remember when I 1:50:14.040 --> 1:50:16.960 asked the question, by the way, doc, am I gotta live? 1:50:17.640 --> 1:50:20.080 You know, It's the craziest question to ask a doctor. 1:50:20.600 --> 1:50:23.080 And I remember saying, Doc, don't answer that. Don't answer that, 1:50:23.240 --> 1:50:25.400 like you're not God. Let me just move on with this. 1:50:25.520 --> 1:50:28.800 Let's just do the chemo treatment. Yeah, I'm doing great now, 1:50:28.800 --> 1:50:32.320 by the way, I'm in I'm doing fantastic great. 1:50:32.760 --> 1:50:33.559 And now I'm on. 1:50:33.479 --> 1:50:36.000 Set and people are like, oh man, she talks a lot. 1:50:36.040 --> 1:50:41.160 Now she must be you, you know. So that's the 1:50:41.240 --> 1:50:42.920 atmosphere that's really. 1:50:42.920 --> 1:50:47.000 Cool, because I mean there's like there's books and TV 1:50:47.160 --> 1:50:51.080 series and articles written constantly about like toxic sets and 1:50:51.160 --> 1:50:55.639 like horrible experiences people have in Hollywood. And then everybody 1:50:55.680 --> 1:50:57.439 that we kind of talked to from the deck Wolf 1:50:57.520 --> 1:50:59.120 universe is like, it's a family. 1:50:59.200 --> 1:50:59.920 It's so great. 1:51:00.160 --> 1:51:02.120 And even what I mean, we've talked to people that 1:51:02.160 --> 1:51:03.880 have been you know, let go from the shows, and 1:51:03.920 --> 1:51:06.519 they're still like they still talk about it like it 1:51:06.560 --> 1:51:07.799 was a great family. 1:51:08.080 --> 1:51:08.280 You know. 1:51:08.640 --> 1:51:11.920 So that's really wonderful that it was so such a 1:51:11.960 --> 1:51:14.240 supportive environment when you were going through that. 1:51:14.560 --> 1:51:17.120 And Stephen Wember, yeah. 1:51:17.160 --> 1:51:21.479 Crier when he found out about my illness. 1:51:21.760 --> 1:51:24.120 I was like sexy man's crying. 1:51:24.360 --> 1:51:25.160 He's in touch. 1:51:25.320 --> 1:51:27.519 He's in touch with his sensitive, with his sense of 1:51:27.560 --> 1:51:28.280 his emotions. 1:51:28.640 --> 1:51:29.799 You I knew. 1:51:30.320 --> 1:51:33.479 Do doctors recognize you when you have any sort of 1:51:33.520 --> 1:51:37.800 appointments or and then do you sometimes like feel like 1:51:37.840 --> 1:51:38.720 you know what's going on? 1:51:38.760 --> 1:51:38.920 You know? 1:51:38.920 --> 1:51:41.240 They always say, because I'm a Drag Race fan, tricks 1:51:41.240 --> 1:51:43.840 and Koways go, you don't understand Drag, You're just a 1:51:43.880 --> 1:51:46.000 fan of a show. And that's how I kind of 1:51:46.000 --> 1:51:48.639 feel with SVU sometimes too, Like I'll get really into 1:51:48.720 --> 1:51:51.080 certain crime like and it's like no, no, no, I love 1:51:51.080 --> 1:51:53.000 a show. I might, but I don't know. 1:51:53.120 --> 1:51:55.880 We didn't actually go to the police academy or any 1:51:56.560 --> 1:51:57.719 study anything. 1:51:58.000 --> 1:52:00.840 You have the right to remain silent, don't you ever. 1:52:01.920 --> 1:52:05.200 Like kind of try to flex the knowledge you learned? Then? Also, 1:52:05.240 --> 1:52:06.960 did any doctors recognize you? 1:52:07.040 --> 1:52:07.519 And stuff? 1:52:07.560 --> 1:52:07.800 Well? 1:52:08.560 --> 1:52:12.800 Fun fact, my doctor is a huge fan came up 1:52:12.840 --> 1:52:16.639 to me and asked me, hey, Marlene, you're just one 1:52:16.640 --> 1:52:21.080 of my biggest miracle cases because of what they saw 1:52:21.360 --> 1:52:24.479 and then it just disappeared and move on. He like 1:52:25.280 --> 1:52:27.080 said to me, I need you to come and talk 1:52:27.120 --> 1:52:29.360 certain places so I can raise money to beat this 1:52:29.479 --> 1:52:33.439 cancer thing. Wow, because he's a huge research guy. 1:52:33.520 --> 1:52:38.080 That is incredible. My chemo doctor specifically, I think that 1:52:38.080 --> 1:52:40.160 would be a fun thing. Man. I just thought about this. 1:52:40.360 --> 1:52:45.040 My two doctors, doctor Stephen, LeAnn, doctor Wang, just amazing men. 1:52:45.160 --> 1:52:47.800 That yeah, they did. It was just one of those 1:52:47.840 --> 1:52:48.639 weird things. 1:52:48.720 --> 1:52:51.240 You know, they recognize you and they're like, what are 1:52:51.280 --> 1:52:54.200 you doing here? And you start telling them your story 1:52:54.240 --> 1:52:57.760 about you know, what you saw, you know how you've 1:52:57.760 --> 1:53:01.680 been feeling. And then they're like, Okay, we're gonna we're 1:53:01.680 --> 1:53:03.120 gonna try and calm you down. 1:53:02.920 --> 1:53:07.759 Here because you know too much. You know too much 1:53:07.960 --> 1:53:09.799 and you can be your worst enemy. 1:53:10.200 --> 1:53:15.559 So fun fact is, before I started as Maggie Lockwood 1:53:15.560 --> 1:53:18.720 the charge Ours, my parents weren't going to let me 1:53:18.760 --> 1:53:19.639 go into acting. 1:53:19.800 --> 1:53:21.679 So I do have a nursing degree. 1:53:21.840 --> 1:53:22.799 Oh my god. 1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:26.000 Wow yeah yeah, never practice. 1:53:26.040 --> 1:53:26.719 That's incredible. 1:53:26.880 --> 1:53:28.200 I mean you must know a lot of like the 1:53:28.280 --> 1:53:30.799 terminology in your lines and stuff. 1:53:30.880 --> 1:53:33.439 That's crazy. That's a gift. That's a gift. 1:53:33.600 --> 1:53:36.639 Absolutely. Yeah. 1:53:36.680 --> 1:53:39.639 And I know I did my nursing in French. That's 1:53:39.680 --> 1:53:40.800 the interesting part. 1:53:41.000 --> 1:53:41.640 Wow. 1:53:42.240 --> 1:53:45.320 So I know too much, So I have to calm 1:53:45.400 --> 1:53:48.759 down and just when I ask my questions. They really 1:53:48.800 --> 1:53:51.360 have to be specific because it can send me down 1:53:51.400 --> 1:53:52.080 the rabbit. 1:53:51.840 --> 1:53:53.080 Hole of research where you're. 1:53:52.960 --> 1:53:56.679 Like, yeah, and I gotta I can't be that person. 1:53:57.040 --> 1:54:00.519 I'm my worst. I can talk, I can talk. I 1:54:00.560 --> 1:54:01.599 do all my work. 1:54:01.439 --> 1:54:04.360 At home because I love being on set so much. 1:54:04.640 --> 1:54:08.320 There's this running gag that by nine am, Marlene has 1:54:08.439 --> 1:54:12.280 used at least two hundred and fifty thousand works. 1:54:12.800 --> 1:54:14.960 Well, we're real chatty Kathy's chat. 1:54:16.560 --> 1:54:17.880 But that's actually cool. 1:54:17.920 --> 1:54:20.559 I heard other I forgot who we talked to where 1:54:20.560 --> 1:54:22.400 they were complimenting someone where it's like when you do 1:54:22.439 --> 1:54:23.880 all your work at home and then you get to 1:54:24.240 --> 1:54:25.400 just be there and be prepared. 1:54:25.920 --> 1:54:26.439 That's cool. 1:54:26.520 --> 1:54:28.920 Yeah, because I like the chat too, But also I 1:54:29.000 --> 1:54:31.479 love that your parents got like kind of the best 1:54:31.479 --> 1:54:33.640 of both worlds. They got a nurse, but then they 1:54:33.680 --> 1:54:35.120 also got a doctor on TV. 1:54:35.560 --> 1:54:40.400 Like, you know, you're like no careers. Oh, you're a nurse. 1:54:40.880 --> 1:54:43.280 I'm a nurse. I'm the only nurse, but I'm also 1:54:43.360 --> 1:54:46.360 a midwife. You have doctor energy, you have doctor. 1:54:46.200 --> 1:54:50.520 Energy, doctor authority authority, yes. 1:54:50.920 --> 1:54:53.000 But whatever, you're a nurse in real life and you're 1:54:53.000 --> 1:54:55.760 a very successful actor. You're like you are accomplished in 1:54:55.920 --> 1:54:58.320 multiple fields. That's like that's the dream. 1:54:58.200 --> 1:55:02.440 Right absolutely. I think that had I not been. 1:55:02.680 --> 1:55:05.360 A successful actor, I would have gone back to at 1:55:05.440 --> 1:55:07.120 least go to law school or do something like that. 1:55:07.760 --> 1:55:11.440 Ah wow, Yeah, nursing is a hard job. 1:55:11.880 --> 1:55:14.400 Unless I would have been a doctor in nursing, you 1:55:14.440 --> 1:55:18.840 know the nurses that can be a physician's assistant, and right, yes, that. 1:55:18.760 --> 1:55:19.360 I would have done. 1:55:19.480 --> 1:55:23.960 Yeah, but I think that being a nurse is it's 1:55:24.040 --> 1:55:27.680 tough because you want to smack these young doctors across 1:55:27.720 --> 1:55:30.880 their heads at times because you've worked with the mature 1:55:30.920 --> 1:55:33.480 doctors that have taught you so much. Then these young 1:55:33.560 --> 1:55:36.520 kids show up on the first June or whenever the 1:55:36.560 --> 1:55:37.720 new residence starts. 1:55:37.440 --> 1:55:44.320 And you're like, oh lord, you throorty. That's great. 1:55:44.400 --> 1:55:46.400 Yeah, I know. My mother in law's a nurse. 1:55:46.600 --> 1:55:48.600 I have a lot of nurses in my family, and 1:55:48.640 --> 1:55:52.320 they're always like there's always like just mostly male doctors 1:55:52.400 --> 1:55:55.160 that are like that, like don't treat the nurses with 1:55:55.200 --> 1:55:57.680 the respect that they have the so much knowledge, and 1:55:57.680 --> 1:55:59.040 then they catch their mistakes. 1:55:59.080 --> 1:56:00.960 The nurses catch the doctor. There's mistakes all the time. 1:56:01.040 --> 1:56:03.880 Absolute yeah, well not even that, but like my parents 1:56:03.920 --> 1:56:06.760 have had to have medical says, and the nurses is 1:56:06.760 --> 1:56:09.400 who we remember. I mean, obviously great doctors, but yeah, 1:56:09.440 --> 1:56:12.160 the nurses are truly the people that are the day 1:56:12.200 --> 1:56:15.760 to day care and comfort of my parents and the 1:56:15.800 --> 1:56:18.680 ones that are like during COVID, like talking on the 1:56:18.680 --> 1:56:20.120 phone explaining everything. 1:56:20.520 --> 1:56:23.120 And you're in Chicago when you shoot, where are you 1:56:23.160 --> 1:56:24.160 based regularly? 1:56:24.760 --> 1:56:27.440 So I was based out of la and doing the 1:56:27.480 --> 1:56:30.280 back and forth for the eighth season, and then at 1:56:30.280 --> 1:56:32.480 the end of the eighth season, right before the strike, 1:56:32.520 --> 1:56:35.440 my husband said, we got to stay local. You're in remission. 1:56:35.520 --> 1:56:37.680 We got two kids, we need one local, and you're 1:56:37.680 --> 1:56:41.160 about to resign your contract. So I just committed to Chicago. 1:56:41.400 --> 1:56:42.480 It's a great place too. 1:56:42.600 --> 1:56:44.600 Yeah. Fall in love with the place that you shoot 1:56:44.960 --> 1:56:45.920 something about it, you know. 1:56:46.280 --> 1:56:46.800 Yeah. 1:56:46.880 --> 1:56:49.400 So we made home base in Chicago and just committed 1:56:49.440 --> 1:56:51.960 to this city for at least, you know how long. 1:56:52.000 --> 1:56:52.400 I don't know. 1:56:52.480 --> 1:56:54.000 That's great. Chicago's great. 1:56:54.080 --> 1:56:56.080 It's a great place because you do have the lake. 1:56:56.120 --> 1:56:58.200 I know, it's not a real beach, but it is 1:56:58.760 --> 1:57:02.320 nice and you get the skyline while you get to swim, 1:57:02.520 --> 1:57:05.920 and the food is good and it's gorgeous. 1:57:06.320 --> 1:57:08.920 The food is good, The food is good, and the 1:57:08.960 --> 1:57:09.720 food is good. 1:57:11.960 --> 1:57:14.400 It was never for a lack of a dinner. 1:57:15.200 --> 1:57:16.240 Yeah. 1:57:16.400 --> 1:57:22.240 Man, everything is good. Seafood is good here, steak is exceptional. 1:57:22.560 --> 1:57:25.240 And then you have all these Mischelin star like there 1:57:25.240 --> 1:57:28.480 are one missioning stars, but these restaurants and I'm a foodie. 1:57:28.480 --> 1:57:30.360 Well, and you have a linear if you really wanted to. 1:57:30.600 --> 1:57:32.160 That's that's what I was about to tell you, girl. 1:57:32.400 --> 1:57:35.080 Yeah, how did you go? Have you gone? 1:57:35.160 --> 1:57:37.720 I have an appointment to go. I have an appointment 1:57:37.720 --> 1:57:38.320 with a linea. 1:57:38.920 --> 1:57:42.120 Yes, okay, I've been waiting because my taste buds need 1:57:42.160 --> 1:57:42.760 to come back. 1:57:44.280 --> 1:57:46.400 Well you know about the chef and his journey with 1:57:46.480 --> 1:57:48.200 his Yeah, taste. 1:57:47.880 --> 1:57:49.920 Buds, Yes I do. Yeah. 1:57:50.080 --> 1:57:51.760 Wow, I'm so glad you're get to go. 1:57:52.200 --> 1:57:53.800 So excited, so excited. 1:57:53.920 --> 1:57:57.280 Yeah, I've only seen people's like instagrams from it. I've 1:57:57.280 --> 1:57:59.880 not gone, but that's definitely a place of pride and 1:58:00.200 --> 1:58:00.760 for Chicago. 1:58:00.840 --> 1:58:02.720 And like Girl and the Goat, Some. 1:58:02.840 --> 1:58:05.400 Girl of the Goat is another one that I've been 1:58:05.440 --> 1:58:06.640 there multiple times. 1:58:06.720 --> 1:58:08.160 Yeah. They just built one in La Oh. 1:58:08.200 --> 1:58:10.080 Yeah, I've been to the La one and it's it 1:58:10.160 --> 1:58:12.000 was I went for my anniversary and was like I 1:58:12.000 --> 1:58:12.840 can't wait to go back. 1:58:12.920 --> 1:58:13.800 I love that place. Well. 1:58:13.840 --> 1:58:16.800 She's also the first female Top Chef winner from Chicago, 1:58:16.880 --> 1:58:18.720 so it's huge. I saw her eating mac and cheese 1:58:18.760 --> 1:58:21.440 once at a restaurant that whole. 1:58:21.240 --> 1:58:24.120 Loop section because that's where it is, and the Loop. 1:58:24.760 --> 1:58:26.840 I think y'all should drop a mic somewhere over there 1:58:26.880 --> 1:58:28.320 and do a podcast. 1:58:28.200 --> 1:58:31.160 Because the City Winery is over there. I used to 1:58:31.200 --> 1:58:34.040 be a salon receptionist in that neighborhood. There you go 1:58:34.160 --> 1:58:38.879 before all the restaurants, but Harpo Studios Oprah was there exactly, 1:58:38.960 --> 1:58:42.360 and so it was always young professionals getting blowouts. 1:58:42.680 --> 1:58:43.760 That's where I wanted to move. 1:58:44.040 --> 1:58:47.440 But I don't rest well, and that place turns into 1:58:47.480 --> 1:58:48.080 a club. 1:58:48.360 --> 1:58:52.080 Yeah, when you go on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, there's no resting. 1:58:52.440 --> 1:58:55.480 I would have burned everything over there because I would 1:58:55.480 --> 1:58:56.480 have been out every day. 1:58:57.320 --> 1:58:59.600 My kids would have grown up in restaurants, high chair 1:58:59.720 --> 1:59:01.120 in some of the best restaurants. 1:59:01.640 --> 1:59:02.400 That's what I've been. 1:59:03.400 --> 1:59:04.920 On the floor exactly. 1:59:05.800 --> 1:59:08.200 No, Mama, I actually just watched an Instagram video of 1:59:08.200 --> 1:59:09.480 a little baby eating caviar. 1:59:09.640 --> 1:59:15.320 Some baby that loves oysters. I don't know. I need 1:59:15.320 --> 1:59:16.320 to get off the internet. 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:19.000 How old are your kids, Marlene? Do they eat like 1:59:19.160 --> 1:59:23.040 exotic foods? Yes, they do, because I have a two 1:59:23.080 --> 1:59:24.000 and I have a two and a. 1:59:24.040 --> 1:59:26.040 Four and they don't. They don't eat anything. 1:59:26.680 --> 1:59:28.040 Do you know rpm steakhouse? 1:59:28.720 --> 1:59:29.040 Yeah? 1:59:29.200 --> 1:59:31.320 We went to the Yeah. 1:59:31.400 --> 1:59:32.400 Yeah and in Vegas. 1:59:32.480 --> 1:59:37.120 Yeah, so they've had RPM steakhouse. They're not appreciative. They 1:59:37.240 --> 1:59:41.760 just steak. Oh, I can chew this. These kids are 1:59:41.800 --> 1:59:44.320 on their way becoming too bougie with their pally. 1:59:44.520 --> 1:59:46.560 Yeah. 1:59:46.600 --> 1:59:48.560 That's an issue because then when you put something in 1:59:48.600 --> 1:59:52.600 front of my daughter, she's like, no, I'm like, you're 1:59:52.600 --> 1:59:54.200 not going to go to restaurants every week? 1:59:54.560 --> 1:59:56.840 What do you think this is? Put this in your mouth? 1:59:57.160 --> 1:59:58.240 The boiled chicken. 1:59:58.480 --> 2:00:02.480 Eat the boiled chicken. So yeah, so my kids are two. 2:00:02.880 --> 2:00:06.520 You got twins? Oh you have twins? Twin Oh my gosh. Yeah. 2:00:06.560 --> 2:00:08.400 So my son is two and a half and my 2:00:08.480 --> 2:00:11.320 daughter's four and a half. And he's much more adventurous 2:00:11.360 --> 2:00:13.200 than her. The younger one. He eats me and all 2:00:13.240 --> 2:00:16.320 kinds of stuff. The four year olds eats four meals 2:00:16.360 --> 2:00:19.080 that I rotate throughout the week. It's like so infuriating, 2:00:19.680 --> 2:00:21.000 but I know it's gonna change. 2:00:21.320 --> 2:00:23.520 I can't believe you have two year old twins. 2:00:23.920 --> 2:00:26.960 Two year old twins. You should see them. I just 2:00:27.000 --> 2:00:29.400 called them upstairs. Right now, you're gonna get a chance 2:00:29.440 --> 2:00:29.800 to see. 2:00:29.960 --> 2:00:33.480 Yeah, my gosh, wait, is it a girl and a boy. 2:00:34.200 --> 2:00:36.560 You're about to meet them here they are. Brace yourself. 2:00:37.440 --> 2:00:42.360 Oh my god, Oh my gosh, look at. 2:00:42.240 --> 2:00:47.360 These beautiful little blues. Yeah, my cuties. 2:00:48.560 --> 2:00:49.600 They can't hear you. 2:00:49.880 --> 2:00:59.880 Hello, Hello, Oh my gosh. Wait, what are their names? 2:01:00.480 --> 2:01:03.840 Joshua, Joshua? Say hello, Joshua. 2:01:03.960 --> 2:01:04.360 Got away? 2:01:04.440 --> 2:01:10.200 Hy yah, there's Joshua and this is odd to see. 2:01:10.240 --> 2:01:11.840 Hi me me Hi. 2:01:12.240 --> 2:01:14.480 Guys are so cute their r names on. 2:01:14.800 --> 2:01:17.640 He's Joshua and they are They're amazing. 2:01:17.680 --> 2:01:18.720 Do you bring them to set? 2:01:19.240 --> 2:01:22.000 ROB set once. They actually were very calm in front 2:01:22.040 --> 2:01:26.320 of the You want your water, okay, here we go, 2:01:26.960 --> 2:01:32.240 you want my water? Well? I rob the set once 2:01:32.280 --> 2:01:34.640 and they were pretty remarkable. They were very calm in 2:01:34.680 --> 2:01:37.600 front of the camera. They're very calm in for the camera. 2:01:37.640 --> 2:01:40.920 They really enjoyed the entire experience. When it was time 2:01:40.960 --> 2:01:41.640 to leave, they were. 2:01:41.560 --> 2:01:44.800 Like, no, no, I like them with this big ass bottle. 2:01:45.640 --> 2:01:46.800 Big big, it's mine. 2:01:47.360 --> 2:01:48.880 The thing is I put a little bit of crystal 2:01:48.960 --> 2:01:50.920 light in my water, so I can do more water. 2:01:51.080 --> 2:01:53.000 That's a good idea. I have to start doing that 2:01:53.080 --> 2:01:55.600 again because I need a hydrate more. A little sprinkle 2:01:55.680 --> 2:01:57.280 is something to keep it interesting. 2:01:57.400 --> 2:01:58.680 Yeah, a little pink lemonade. 2:01:58.720 --> 2:01:59.960 Yeah, and they really enjoy. 2:02:00.320 --> 2:02:03.760 They're so cute. This is our first kid visit, first 2:02:03.920 --> 2:02:04.400 kid visit. 2:02:04.440 --> 2:02:06.440 We've had some dogs pop on the pod, but we 2:02:06.480 --> 2:02:08.080 have not had anybody's kids. 2:02:08.840 --> 2:02:11.640 My favorite. Well, you know what else? I wanted to 2:02:11.960 --> 2:02:14.520 ask you? How does it feel to work in scrubs? 2:02:15.000 --> 2:02:15.640 Is that nice? 2:02:15.880 --> 2:02:18.280 Or it's like your same uniform every day pretty much? 2:02:18.360 --> 2:02:18.520 Right? 2:02:18.800 --> 2:02:19.600 Or same costume? 2:02:19.720 --> 2:02:23.919 So I did this this TV series with Rose Burns 2:02:23.960 --> 2:02:25.280 called Damages. 2:02:25.560 --> 2:02:27.960 Excuse me, it's on our list. It's on our list 2:02:28.000 --> 2:02:30.760 to talk to you about it. It's my obsession. And 2:02:30.800 --> 2:02:32.280 I was it's on my list. It was like my 2:02:32.360 --> 2:02:34.640 next question after the scrubs. 2:02:34.600 --> 2:02:37.480 I tell you this show. Our heels were like this. 2:02:38.480 --> 2:02:42.760 When you got on it went cock Coca. Come then 2:02:42.840 --> 2:02:45.400 you it my toes? How long can I do this? 2:02:45.800 --> 2:02:47.760 You were done with cut We're out? 2:02:48.280 --> 2:02:49.200 Yeah? 2:02:49.480 --> 2:02:51.320 Then back on Coco Coco. 2:02:52.080 --> 2:02:55.840 It was the most extraordinary experience because the shoes were 2:02:55.880 --> 2:02:56.360 never broken. 2:02:56.400 --> 2:02:59.000 Into because it was brand new. So it's great, you 2:02:59.080 --> 2:03:04.480 look cute. Your feet hurt right now? I wear hookahs 2:03:04.760 --> 2:03:05.320 for a living. 2:03:06.640 --> 2:03:07.440 That's amazing. 2:03:07.600 --> 2:03:10.280 I get my feet massaged while I'm doing the sea. 2:03:11.560 --> 2:03:14.200 I have no words. And then the scrubs. You go 2:03:14.240 --> 2:03:18.560 to work with your pajamas. Every day, goals, goals, no complaints. 2:03:18.600 --> 2:03:20.600 Our friend has black hookahs and they look so good. 2:03:20.600 --> 2:03:22.560 I want to get them. I have the colorful ones, 2:03:22.640 --> 2:03:24.520 I want the black ones, I think. 2:03:24.680 --> 2:03:27.200 And haven't that they've progressively gotten cuter. 2:03:27.720 --> 2:03:27.960 Yes? 2:03:28.320 --> 2:03:31.440 Yes, at first they yeah, it was just like we 2:03:31.480 --> 2:03:33.960 don't care because we're just for running or something. And 2:03:34.000 --> 2:03:36.160 then they realized we would like in all black pair 2:03:36.280 --> 2:03:36.880 please thank you. 2:03:37.000 --> 2:03:39.240 Yeah, they really turned into a fashion shoe because when 2:03:39.280 --> 2:03:42.280 I first saw them, they were just for athletics. 2:03:41.640 --> 2:03:43.760 And now it's fashion baby. 2:03:43.920 --> 2:03:46.680 Now they have commercials that look like the Apple commercials. 2:03:48.440 --> 2:03:50.280 Did you see the one where they're walking on water? 2:03:50.880 --> 2:03:52.400 I haven't seen any of these commercials. 2:03:52.760 --> 2:03:54.400 You see it up? 2:03:54.960 --> 2:03:58.000 Wait, so let's get to Damages. Tell me everything Rose 2:03:58.080 --> 2:04:01.440 Byrne Glenn Close. How was I mean? That show was 2:04:01.480 --> 2:04:02.320 like drugs to me? 2:04:02.520 --> 2:04:04.680 Like I always talk about how I would be watching 2:04:04.760 --> 2:04:06.480 it till three in the morning, and then I'd be like, 2:04:06.520 --> 2:04:07.840 what's the difference if I go to bed at three 2:04:07.920 --> 2:04:09.040 or I go to about at four, you know, and 2:04:09.080 --> 2:04:10.960 I would like to watch one more like I was 2:04:11.360 --> 2:04:12.320 so hooked on it. 2:04:12.600 --> 2:04:17.800 I mean, they're geniuses, they're phenomenal actors. You're sitting there 2:04:17.840 --> 2:04:20.640 in this room and it was I remember one time 2:04:20.680 --> 2:04:26.480 it was Glenn myself, Ted Danson, Jelco. 2:04:27.120 --> 2:04:31.080 Oh, yeah, he's a SVU. He's a SVU alum so talented. 2:04:31.520 --> 2:04:34.040 His character was having sex with his biological daughter and 2:04:34.120 --> 2:04:36.880 kept getting her pregnant though so not not great, not great, 2:04:36.920 --> 2:04:38.360 but you know, it's SVU. 2:04:39.680 --> 2:04:42.160 That makes absolute sense when it comes to him. He's 2:04:42.240 --> 2:04:44.000 just a genius in the way that he performs. 2:04:44.120 --> 2:04:44.920 He's so good. 2:04:45.120 --> 2:04:45.880 He's really good. 2:04:46.240 --> 2:04:49.040 Fun fact is I think at the table read he 2:04:49.160 --> 2:04:53.880 got a standing away clapping situation the table read wow 2:04:54.040 --> 2:04:57.720 Wow for free damages, like who wins that one? I 2:04:57.720 --> 2:05:00.440 remember Glenn saying that something like that. He yet the 2:05:00.480 --> 2:05:04.520 standing ovation for the best table read ever because normally 2:05:04.520 --> 2:05:06.320 you going into the table reading, he tried to. 2:05:06.240 --> 2:05:09.839 Read as flat as possible. Not him. His flat was Oscar. 2:05:10.040 --> 2:05:13.120 I want them to like bring back Damages. Oh my god, 2:05:13.160 --> 2:05:16.280 they couldn't. But it was so that's a great show. 2:05:16.320 --> 2:05:18.240 I don't know what about it. It like hooked me 2:05:18.320 --> 2:05:18.880 so hard. 2:05:19.080 --> 2:05:24.240 Yes, I was doing that, and that's when simultaneously. 2:05:23.680 --> 2:05:24.640 I booked The Wire. 2:05:25.200 --> 2:05:27.640 Oh yeah, that became my conflict. 2:05:28.280 --> 2:05:31.720 So I had to commit somewhere and I couldn't commit 2:05:31.800 --> 2:05:35.520 to Damages anymore, okay, because it was The Wire and 2:05:35.800 --> 2:05:37.200 the character was going you know. 2:05:37.720 --> 2:05:41.360 Yeah, and The Wire has like so much Law and 2:05:41.440 --> 2:05:42.200 Order crossover. 2:05:42.600 --> 2:05:48.440 Absolutely, and it's it's just another cult genius type you 2:05:48.480 --> 2:05:49.080 know show. 2:05:49.920 --> 2:05:50.840 It's just amazing. 2:05:51.280 --> 2:05:53.880 I was just gonna say something. You mentioned the table 2:05:53.880 --> 2:05:57.080 read flatly. I was horrified once I have been haunted 2:05:57.120 --> 2:05:59.840 because one of my friends was at a table read 2:05:59.880 --> 2:06:04.600 and she acted too casual and they replaced her. Since 2:06:04.960 --> 2:06:08.560 since I heard that, because like the bigger, more established 2:06:08.560 --> 2:06:10.960 actors were being more casual and she was new, and 2:06:11.840 --> 2:06:15.040 then the character was named after her and the table 2:06:15.080 --> 2:06:19.240 read alo bad. They got rid of her, and since then, 2:06:19.320 --> 2:06:21.680 if I'm ever in that situation, I go like full 2:06:21.760 --> 2:06:23.440 out because I'm so terrified. 2:06:24.120 --> 2:06:27.520 Absolutely, well, let me just let me clarify. Let me 2:06:27.600 --> 2:06:31.760 clarified what I mean that you're playing it flat when 2:06:32.480 --> 2:06:35.320 there is a tone to the character, there is a 2:06:35.440 --> 2:06:38.800 rhythm to the writing, there is a layout to the 2:06:38.840 --> 2:06:41.760 scene that you are giving, which you're not given is 2:06:42.560 --> 2:06:46.840 a one hundred performance, Yeah, but you're giving everything that 2:06:46.840 --> 2:06:51.320 he's needed for them to get the temperature of the scene. 2:06:51.480 --> 2:06:52.080 You're giving that. 2:06:52.240 --> 2:06:54.800 Oh, because I saw a video of like Lady Gaga 2:06:54.800 --> 2:06:57.920 once at a table read singing for shallow, and I 2:06:57.960 --> 2:07:00.400 was always wondering, like, did she really have to. 2:07:00.320 --> 2:07:02.600 Do that or not? But that probably gave the temperature. 2:07:02.800 --> 2:07:05.640 Like you're saying, yeah, yeah, you need the tone of 2:07:05.680 --> 2:07:08.040 the scene, but you're doing it from a place where 2:07:08.560 --> 2:07:11.200 you know, you're at your place and your your focused work. 2:07:11.760 --> 2:07:14.080 You're not engaging with the actor next to you. 2:07:14.080 --> 2:07:17.640 You're not like fully physical, but you are giving I 2:07:17.680 --> 2:07:19.920 would say a twenty five percent. 2:07:20.200 --> 2:07:22.120 No. I think she was trying to be a little 2:07:22.160 --> 2:07:24.520 too cool and she probably still lets to prove herself 2:07:24.560 --> 2:07:27.800 a little and yeah, yeah, she learned a lesson that day. 2:07:28.720 --> 2:07:32.360 Still a job, It's still a job. 2:07:32.480 --> 2:07:35.160 I got to write that down. It's still a job. 2:07:35.280 --> 2:07:36.160 I got to remember that. 2:07:36.360 --> 2:07:39.320 Yeah, it's still a job, and you're graduating. I think 2:07:39.320 --> 2:07:45.000 it connects back to the sbu cage situation where you know, 2:07:45.040 --> 2:07:47.360 when you come out of school and you're trying to 2:07:47.360 --> 2:07:49.000 figure out who you want to be, what you. 2:07:48.960 --> 2:07:50.880 Want to do, and all that jazz. 2:07:50.920 --> 2:07:53.120 I think you have a lot of questions about does 2:07:53.160 --> 2:07:55.200 my talent translate on screen? 2:07:55.400 --> 2:07:55.800 Yeah? 2:07:56.040 --> 2:07:58.480 Can I perform at the level of the big guns 2:07:58.480 --> 2:07:59.280 that are around you? 2:08:00.080 --> 2:08:03.040 And I think what happens is if you go to 2:08:03.120 --> 2:08:05.520 the table reads that you don't risk because you're too 2:08:05.600 --> 2:08:10.360 nervous and you're too intimidated by the people that are there, 2:08:10.880 --> 2:08:13.920 you'll never learn how to believe in yourself and risk 2:08:14.000 --> 2:08:16.760 on screen. I think that's what it was when you 2:08:16.840 --> 2:08:20.680 ask me about this Wolf Universe thing, is that I 2:08:20.720 --> 2:08:23.840 found that when I worked with them, I was able 2:08:23.880 --> 2:08:25.560 to test the temperature of my craft. 2:08:25.800 --> 2:08:28.360 Yeah, it all came together. 2:08:28.840 --> 2:08:31.720 For me in such a way that it really made 2:08:31.760 --> 2:08:32.880 sense that I was an actor. 2:08:33.080 --> 2:08:33.320 Yeah. 2:08:33.560 --> 2:08:36.760 It gave me an environment to safely flourish where I'm 2:08:36.800 --> 2:08:39.960 not worrying about any me too, craziness happening to me. 2:08:40.720 --> 2:08:45.200 And you know, you're a young lady, You're aware that 2:08:45.520 --> 2:08:50.360 you know there's crazy that's potentially out there, and they 2:08:50.400 --> 2:08:54.560 create such an atmosphere of ethics integrity, all that stuff 2:08:55.080 --> 2:08:57.440 that your creativity just starts. 2:08:57.640 --> 2:08:59.400 Great, So I think that's what it is. 2:08:59.600 --> 2:09:03.080 Connie Nielsen, I remember in that episode really having an 2:09:03.080 --> 2:09:04.400 impression on me. 2:09:05.120 --> 2:09:07.040 Such a presence. She had great presence. 2:09:07.960 --> 2:09:11.720 She was this pinning me of femininity, gorgeous, and she 2:09:11.760 --> 2:09:16.240 walks in and she reminds me of gal Gadou before 2:09:16.400 --> 2:09:18.960 gal Gado. Yeah, that's what she reminds me of. So 2:09:19.000 --> 2:09:20.680 I wasn't surprised that they paired them together. 2:09:21.480 --> 2:09:23.800 Yeah, that's a tough episode for her character. 2:09:23.880 --> 2:09:26.840 You know, she's really like considering whether she can even 2:09:26.840 --> 2:09:27.400 do the job. 2:09:27.600 --> 2:09:28.680 So it's interesting. 2:09:28.760 --> 2:09:29.720 She's good. 2:09:29.760 --> 2:09:31.520 She does a good job in that one. Interview went 2:09:31.560 --> 2:09:35.680 really full circle. Yeah, it was beautiful, Marlene. This has 2:09:35.800 --> 2:09:38.720 been so amazing. Thank you for taking the time to 2:09:38.840 --> 2:09:42.280 talk to us. Yeah, thanks for being so open so much. 2:09:42.320 --> 2:09:44.920 What a tree and showing us your cute kids and 2:09:44.960 --> 2:09:47.839 the kids a podcast first for us. 2:09:47.720 --> 2:09:50.120 And enjoy Alnia. You deserve it. 2:09:50.800 --> 2:09:53.640 I will I will thank you lady, such an honor. 2:09:53.880 --> 2:09:57.880 Ye Okay, bye. 2:10:00.120 --> 2:10:02.200 She was so fun. I love her. 2:10:02.280 --> 2:10:05.160 First time we've gotten to see babies on our podcast zooms. 2:10:05.200 --> 2:10:05.839 I'm excited. 2:10:06.160 --> 2:10:09.560 I know those little babies into our lives were so cute. 2:10:09.600 --> 2:10:13.120 That was so fun and just like the journey of everyone. 2:10:13.360 --> 2:10:15.760 And I don't know, cancer sucks. 2:10:15.880 --> 2:10:19.360 What the fuck? Yeah fucked? And as you get older, 2:10:19.400 --> 2:10:21.320 it's just like it's all around. 2:10:21.320 --> 2:10:21.720 I don't know. 2:10:21.880 --> 2:10:24.920 Yeah, people need to start like what are the scientists 2:10:25.040 --> 2:10:25.280 up to? 2:10:26.960 --> 2:10:29.040 What are those fucking scientists up to? 2:10:29.160 --> 2:10:34.120 Its time, like get it together, cure cancer and you know, 2:10:34.400 --> 2:10:35.560 invent teleportation. 2:10:35.920 --> 2:10:38.760 I just don't know if that's too much to ask for. 2:10:38.760 --> 2:10:42.240 Twenty twenty four, because I know the military has cool technology, 2:10:42.280 --> 2:10:44.160 you know what I mean, like give us some of it, 2:10:44.720 --> 2:10:45.960 yeah or not. 2:10:46.080 --> 2:10:47.720 I don't know why I brought up the military. 2:10:48.200 --> 2:10:51.520 Really crazy of me, But well, let's get into our postmortem. 2:10:52.320 --> 2:10:52.960 I would say. 2:10:53.000 --> 2:10:56.160 What I've learned is it doesn't matter how cute baby 2:10:56.200 --> 2:10:58.440 el Fanning is. You don't bring her into the house. 2:10:58.520 --> 2:11:01.880 She might start a fire. She will burn your house down. 2:11:02.080 --> 2:11:06.280 Yes, absolutely, baby el Fanning no one to fuck with. 2:11:06.520 --> 2:11:09.760 Do not do not fuck around with that little nug. 2:11:09.560 --> 2:11:11.560 And it's not like this episode, but we talk about 2:11:11.600 --> 2:11:14.680 it on this channel before. But like, you know, I 2:11:14.680 --> 2:11:17.879 think adopting, fostering, doing all that is like very amazing. 2:11:17.920 --> 2:11:20.280 But like these children might have problems and you have 2:11:20.320 --> 2:11:22.000 to be equipped to it. You can't just chain them 2:11:22.000 --> 2:11:24.000 in a cage. Yeah you know what I mean, Like, yes, 2:11:24.040 --> 2:11:27.240 they're gonna have some trauma. They've been passed around, like 2:11:27.320 --> 2:11:29.760 I just yeah, there's just more to it than like, 2:11:29.800 --> 2:11:31.240 oh I'm gonna take this kid. 2:11:31.480 --> 2:11:33.080 Yeah, they might start a fire. 2:11:33.320 --> 2:11:33.480 Well. 2:11:33.520 --> 2:11:35.720 Also, it's like it's like how we just talk about 2:11:35.760 --> 2:11:38.600 however you become a parent. It shouldn't just be like 2:11:38.680 --> 2:11:42.240 about you. It's not about you, yes, touche, however you 2:11:42.280 --> 2:11:44.840 are becoming a parent in your life and being a parent. 2:11:44.880 --> 2:11:48.400 It's just like, if there's anything I learned on the daily, 2:11:48.480 --> 2:11:51.600 nothing is about me. It's always about these little kids 2:11:51.640 --> 2:11:52.440 and how they're doing. 2:11:53.160 --> 2:11:57.040 How are they doing? How are they doing? They're funny. 2:11:57.320 --> 2:12:00.680 Rosy keeps posing like a model in the pictures and 2:12:00.720 --> 2:12:04.680 going on fashion. I know, I posted one on their Instagram, 2:12:05.080 --> 2:12:06.760 but like then she just did another one today where 2:12:06.760 --> 2:12:08.840 they put my boots on this morning, and then she 2:12:09.000 --> 2:12:11.040 just posed like with her stomach out and like her 2:12:11.040 --> 2:12:13.480 hand on her hip and like a like a scowl, 2:12:13.520 --> 2:12:16.040 And I was like, what's happening, Like, you know, she's 2:12:16.080 --> 2:12:18.400 doing a theater camp this summer, like this could be it. 2:12:18.480 --> 2:12:21.680 I might never see her again. Wait, where is she 2:12:21.720 --> 2:12:22.920 going to theater camp? 2:12:23.840 --> 2:12:26.120 I'll tell you. I read, I'll tell you about it. 2:12:26.200 --> 2:12:29.000 This is so exciting. So last summer she's going to 2:12:29.040 --> 2:12:30.560 be doing theater. It's three weeks. 2:12:30.640 --> 2:12:32.720 She's doing a bunch of camps, but this one is 2:12:32.720 --> 2:12:34.920 the longest, which is one of the reasons I chose 2:12:34.960 --> 2:12:37.160 it because it's three full weeks and I don't have 2:12:37.200 --> 2:12:39.920 to like every other week. You know, the way that 2:12:39.960 --> 2:12:41.960 you do camp here in La, it's like fucking these 2:12:42.000 --> 2:12:44.880 piecemeal camps. Is it just La or is it the future? 2:12:44.920 --> 2:12:47.000 Because yeah, I just remember you went to camp, even 2:12:47.040 --> 2:12:48.480 it was a day camp for eight weeks and you 2:12:48.640 --> 2:12:49.120 that's it. 2:12:49.240 --> 2:12:52.800 Like I don't remember these games. I know pre me 2:12:52.920 --> 2:12:55.480 going to sleep away camp. I went to YMCA camps 2:12:55.520 --> 2:12:58.680 like just in the summer and on spring breaks and stuff, 2:12:58.760 --> 2:13:00.520 and it was not like hard to in. They were 2:13:00.560 --> 2:13:02.600 just like the YMCA camps. And here it's just like 2:13:03.080 --> 2:13:05.000 trying to get your kid into like good camps that 2:13:05.040 --> 2:13:07.320 will be like enriching in the summer, because you know, 2:13:07.400 --> 2:13:09.960 kids like the argument for year round school is that 2:13:10.040 --> 2:13:12.440 kids need they lose a lot in the summer, so 2:13:12.480 --> 2:13:15.080 you want them to be doing programs that are not 2:13:15.440 --> 2:13:18.920 just like fucking around, I guess. But back to the 2:13:18.960 --> 2:13:22.560 postmortem of this episode, I wanted to talk more about 2:13:22.560 --> 2:13:26.040 summer camp. I know, I do tay sessions. I don't 2:13:26.040 --> 2:13:28.560 actually really even know what else to say. I think 2:13:28.600 --> 2:13:31.000 it's just like, you know, yeah, this is bad. 2:13:31.120 --> 2:13:34.280 This is bad, like the government should not be giving children. 2:13:34.440 --> 2:13:36.720 It's just like the people that want to adopt children 2:13:36.840 --> 2:13:40.120 that are so ready and want it so bad it's 2:13:40.280 --> 2:13:44.160 a forever expensive, wild nightmare. And then for some reason, 2:13:44.920 --> 2:13:47.880 who is this Margot Martindale gets to fucking shame them up. 2:13:47.960 --> 2:13:50.680 But also like in terms of the real story of 2:13:50.800 --> 2:13:52.880 the mom who was at the end of her rope, 2:13:52.880 --> 2:13:56.080 which is why she took her daughter to this fucking quack, Like, 2:13:56.360 --> 2:13:59.520 I think that there needs to be more resources for 2:13:59.600 --> 2:14:02.560 like men health in general, because you know, I wish 2:14:02.640 --> 2:14:04.560 that this woman had had somewhere else to turn that 2:14:04.720 --> 2:14:07.640 was not a rebirthing class in the middle of fucking 2:14:07.720 --> 2:14:09.480 rural Colorado or whatever. 2:14:09.680 --> 2:14:12.960 And yeah, make sure people are qualified and what they're 2:14:13.000 --> 2:14:16.000 saying they're doing. I yeah, sometimes we get to the 2:14:16.000 --> 2:14:18.800 post mortem and I forget about the real crime because 2:14:18.800 --> 2:14:20.600 I want it out of my brain, and then it 2:14:20.680 --> 2:14:24.720 settles back in and I remember the darkness. 2:14:24.400 --> 2:14:26.400 And no, it's there for the rest of the day. 2:14:26.720 --> 2:14:31.720 It's fun, the darkness we truly live in. Well, we 2:14:31.720 --> 2:14:33.880 can make this one short. This is a jumbo episode, 2:14:33.920 --> 2:14:35.839 I would say, because we had so much fun with Marlene. 2:14:35.840 --> 2:14:38.440 But let's get into what would mister Peg do our 2:14:38.480 --> 2:14:41.960 weekly segment where we direct you guys to an organization, 2:14:42.440 --> 2:14:45.240 a blog post, an article, a website, something to give 2:14:45.280 --> 2:14:47.840 you more info about what we talked about today. And 2:14:48.920 --> 2:14:52.640 I found this website called Childreninthapy dot org and it's 2:14:52.680 --> 2:14:55.680 also known as Advocates for Children in Therapy or ACT. 2:14:56.080 --> 2:14:59.720 ACT is a nonprofit concerned with the methods used in 2:14:59.760 --> 2:15:02.320 the tr even of children's mental health. And they had 2:15:02.360 --> 2:15:05.360 a lot of information about attachment therapy and things we 2:15:05.400 --> 2:15:08.240 talked about in today's episode. And they obviously are not 2:15:08.360 --> 2:15:10.880 for it, and they advocate for humane, non violent, and 2:15:11.240 --> 2:15:15.800 scientifically validated treatments and they work to raise public awareness 2:15:15.800 --> 2:15:19.960 on this topic, oppose governmental support and subsidies towards unvalidated practices, 2:15:20.480 --> 2:15:24.080 and alert professional organizations to inappropriate promotion of these practices. 2:15:24.320 --> 2:15:27.760 So seemed like a cool organization, and they also had 2:15:27.800 --> 2:15:30.160 a lot of links just to different stuff that I 2:15:30.160 --> 2:15:34.040 found really interesting. So they note on their website that 2:15:34.080 --> 2:15:36.040 there is a lot of information about attachment therapy, but 2:15:36.160 --> 2:15:38.600 they are not doctors, so you can proceed at your 2:15:38.640 --> 2:15:40.480 own risk checking out this site. I just thought they 2:15:40.520 --> 2:15:44.000 had a lot of interesting information on there. And yeah, 2:15:44.040 --> 2:15:46.120 as always, this will be posted in our stories the 2:15:46.160 --> 2:15:48.520 day the episode comes out and will be saved forever 2:15:48.560 --> 2:15:51.960 in our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram, which is that 2:15:52.080 --> 2:15:54.560 smussed up pod. Go and follow us if you haven't 2:15:54.560 --> 2:15:57.720 given us a little follow, We're on there. We're talking 2:15:57.720 --> 2:15:59.919 to you in the DMS. We're posting bunshit. 2:16:00.160 --> 2:16:03.240 Yeah you know, rate review, subscribe, give us a follow, 2:16:03.360 --> 2:16:07.440 and next week we will be doing Perverted Justice Season sixteen, 2:16:07.600 --> 2:16:08.880 episode twenty one. 2:16:09.480 --> 2:16:12.600 See you there, baby? What it b square? Mean? 2:16:13.200 --> 2:16:13.280 Like? 2:16:13.640 --> 2:16:15.680 Squares are fine? Wait? What do you mean? 2:16:15.720 --> 2:16:16.360 You know? Be there? 2:16:16.560 --> 2:16:18.200 Be square? What does that matter? 2:16:18.480 --> 2:16:18.560 No? 2:16:18.800 --> 2:16:21.480 Being a square was bad in like the fifties and 2:16:21.560 --> 2:16:24.720 meant being a nerd, right, But like we're such a square? 2:16:25.400 --> 2:16:25.600 Yeah? 2:16:25.640 --> 2:16:26.240 What is that? 2:16:26.440 --> 2:16:29.840 I don't know, rigid even on all sides, I don't know. 2:16:30.720 --> 2:16:32.160 See you guys next week. 2:16:41.080 --> 2:16:43.280 That's Messed Up as an Exactly Right production. 2:16:43.680 --> 2:16:45.760 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 2:16:45.840 --> 2:16:48.080 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 2:16:48.120 --> 2:16:50.840 it That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. 2:16:51.040 --> 2:16:54.199 Follow the podcast on Instagram at That's Messed Up Pod 2:16:54.440 --> 2:16:57.320 and on Twitter at messed Up Pod, and follow us 2:16:57.360 --> 2:17:00.480 personally at kraklank and at glitterch Please. 2:17:00.680 --> 2:17:03.360 As always, please see our show notes for sources and 2:17:03.400 --> 2:17:04.080 more information. 2:17:04.480 --> 2:17:07.240 Thank you so much to our producer Casey O'Brien and 2:17:07.280 --> 2:17:10.080 our associate producer Christina Chamberlain, and to. 2:17:10.080 --> 2:17:13.240 Our mixer John Bradley and our guest booker Patrick Cottner, 2:17:13.400 --> 2:17:16.120 and to Henry Koperski for our theme song, and Carly 2:17:16.200 --> 2:17:19.320 Geen Andrews for our artwork. 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