1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow klah Here's Cow. 3 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: New York wildlife officials found themselves in a tricky situation 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: last week when a bull moose fell through the ice 5 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: on Lake Abanaki in the northern part of the state. 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Concerned citizens called the New York Department of Environmental Conservation 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: when they noticed that the animal had fallen into the 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: icy water about two hundred feet from shore. The moose 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: wasn't able to pull itself back onto the ice or 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: make it back to land, so responding game wardens were 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: faced with the question how do we get a twelve 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: hundred pound animal out of the water. While you might 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: be imagining a complicated series of ropes and pulleys, the 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: actual solution was much simpler. Officers used chainsaws to cut 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: channel through the ice and back to shore. Then they 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: crawled onto the ice and coaxed the cold and exhausted 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: animal through the channel. Video of the moose shows it 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: walking away on unsteady legs, no doubt, eager to escape 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: the hairless apes and get back to the safety of 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: the woods. If nothing else, local media anchors were impressed 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: with the effort. As you can hear from this sparkling 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: exchange following coverage of this story, that's very difficult to 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: get a moose out. Well, smart thinking, you know you 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: weren't gonna you weren't gonna pull the moose out of 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: the frozen lake. Well, these are actually pretty good swimmers, 26 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: are they? They are? Deer can swim too, Yeah, okay, 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: they they aren't wrong. Moose can swim at six miles 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: per hour for up to two hours and dive down 29 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: up to eighteen feet in search of food. Seriously, moose 30 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: are free divers. Usually it's a great strategy, but sometimes 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: it can backfire, and Alaska moose have been recorded getting 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: killed and eaten by killer whales as they swim along 33 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: the coast. If given the choice but between freezing to 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: death and being eaten by a pot at orcas, I 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: have a feeling most moves would choose the ice. This week, 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: we've got deer, the crime desk, listener legislation, and so 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: much more. But first I'm going to tell you about 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: my week in My week was a bit of a bummer. 39 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: First off, news of the crazy mountain land transfer, which 40 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: we've covered here on this podcast a couple of times, 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: but obviously not enough went through. The Crazies are a small, 42 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: iconic island of mountains outside of Livingston, Montana, visible from 43 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: I ninety till about Big Timber or so. The area 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: has been in high contention ever since. Access to the 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Crazies in several areas, in this case on the western 46 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: Front became a big question marked. The flats and foothills 47 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: of the Crazies are by and large private land. It's 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: a checkerboard situation, and access to the range in this 49 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: disputed area was through Forest Service easement, which was disputed 50 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: by a series of landowners who just didn't want the 51 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: public to use the esemuths to cross their land lawfully, 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: and lawsuits ensued. Anyway, here we are the public with 53 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: a technical amount more access to high rocky terrain and 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: less access to where the deer, elk, and trout play. 55 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: One of the big beneficiaries of this land swap is 56 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: the Yellowstone Club, which is an ultra fancy third home 57 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: community next to the slightly more accessible Big Sky Resort, 58 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: place that most of the Montana kids I know can't 59 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: afford to ski. I swear at some point I'll get 60 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: more upbeat at some point. Now, this whole andswap situation 61 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: may be forgotten in time, or we may look back 62 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: and say, what the heck happened, and the unfortunate answer 63 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: will be well, everyone who should have been paying attention 64 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: got really focused on what bathroom to use and who 65 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: exactly can use them. I'll say it again. Easements are 66 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: a great thing, awesome tool in the conservation kit, but 67 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: even the permanent ones in place by the US four 68 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: at service can be fought with enough money. So it 69 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: takes diligence and perseverance and lots of media at times 70 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: to keep those easements intact. At home topic for everybody, 71 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: I could really use some help with this. I've had 72 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: some experience with this with past labradors, but a snort 73 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: all of the sudden has started showing signs of what 74 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: vets would call spay incontinence, which is this real pain 75 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: in the laundry bill and ass thing where your dog 76 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: will unintentionally and unconsciously with the bed. This is not 77 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: a consistent thing. It is new. She's about five now, 78 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: and I would love it if listeners could write in 79 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: with any knowledge on how to figure this out. Ideally 80 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: not with a lifelong prescription to something other than that. 81 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: It finally got good and cold here in Montana, slid 82 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: below the zero mark on the thermometer and into the negatives. 83 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: I made a big batch of colored greens with pork 84 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 1: fat and the last quart of peacock stock Haga rice haiga. 85 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: If you haven't come in contact with this stuff, it's delicious. 86 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 1: Big change to the white rice program. My buddy Sean, 87 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: who farms Nashiki rice in the Sack Valley, introduced me 88 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: to this stuff. It's basically white rice that was like 89 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: three quarters mild, so it still has some brand left 90 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: on it. You could think of it as almost like 91 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: a mix of white and brown rice. Anyway, you gotta 92 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: try it. I topped the collared greens and the rice 93 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: off with buttermilk and rice flour, deep fat fried quail 94 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: merns quail that I was talking about last week, crazy good. 95 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: Loved it. So when you consider all of that that 96 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: I just told you, you could say my week was 97 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: and gutters man, please do not attempt to free the 98 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: ball from the gutter yourself. An employee will come and 99 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: help you. Moving on to the deer desk, the National 100 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: Deer Association announced last week that American white tail hunters 101 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: are taking more older age class bucks than ever before. 102 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: In their twenty twenty five Deer Report, the conservation group 103 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: estimates that hunters took over three million white tail bucks 104 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four season, 105 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: a whopping forty three percent of those bucks we're three 106 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: and a half years old or older, which is the 107 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: highest percentage ever recorded. NBA's Chief conservation officer, Kip Adams 108 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: called the finding a testament to how far we've come 109 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: as hunters and deer managers in this country. He's not wrong. 110 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, nearly fifty percent of the 111 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: bucks harvested we're one and a half years old, while 112 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 1: only about twenty percent were three and a half years 113 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: or older. Since then, the percentage of older bucks steadily increased, 114 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: until in twenty eighteen, hunters took more three year olds 115 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: than one year olds. Now the percentages have almost switched 116 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: from where they were in two thousand and one. About 117 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: twenty six percent of bucks are one and a half 118 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: years while forty three percent are three and a half years. 119 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: Whitetail nerds will tell you that a lot of that 120 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: trend comes from a major change in whitetail hunting culture. 121 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: Previous generations operated on the if it's brown, it's down 122 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: motto and shot pretty much whatever buck that happened across 123 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: their path. It wasn't that those old timers didn't care 124 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: about deer or deer populations, but those populations were much 125 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: smaller than they are now, so they were happy with 126 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: any buck, no matter how young. These days, thanks to 127 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: good deer management and the fact that the white tail 128 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: can thrive in suburban environments, which is definitely on the grow, 129 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: the deer population is thriving in some places, it's actually 130 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: too large. That's good news for hunters who want to 131 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: wait for older age class bucks. There are plenty to 132 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: choose from, and hunting influencers on social media encourage hunters 133 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: to be picky. The result is what we see today. 134 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: A huge percentage of the annual deer harvest is composed 135 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: of older bucks with larger antlers. But that cultural shift 136 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: also has downsides. Another thing the NBA highlights in this 137 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: report is that while buck harvest is way up, dough 138 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: harvest is way down. In two thousand and seven, hunters 139 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: took over three and a half million antlerless deer and 140 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: about two point nine million antler deer. But as the 141 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: number of bucks harvested every year increased, the number of 142 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: doughs decreased. In twenty sixteen, the dough and buck harvest 143 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: was about equal, and that status quo remained until this year, 144 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: when hunters took about three point one million bucks and 145 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: two point nine million dos. This is a problem from 146 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: a management perspective, especially if you live in an area 147 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: with a two large deer population. Adam said, it's critical 148 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: that we boost the national dough harvest if we want 149 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: those deer populations to remain healthy. Deer biologists will tell 150 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: you that healthy herds have about as many doughs as bucks. 151 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: If that balance falls too far in one direction or 152 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the other, it can hurt habitat and harm the long 153 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: term health of the herd. Too many deer in an 154 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: area can also have negative impacts on humans, with everything 155 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: from nuisance deer in the garden to deadly vehicle accidents 156 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: to destroying your woodlock. Deer seasons have ended in most states, 157 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: but it's never too early to make a resolution to 158 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: take a few doughs next year. If you live in 159 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: a region that allows it. As for you influencers out there, 160 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: you really need to start thinking about how to make 161 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: dough harvest cool. Everybody right in, let me know what 162 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: you think of that. One of the interesting things, especially 163 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: as you get deeper into the rut, when you kill 164 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: that buck, you can open up that nice little Christmas 165 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: package a hide and go, oh man, this thing is 166 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: darn near run to death. Whereas if you take does 167 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: that consistency of what you get when you open up 168 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: the hide is typically much much better. So if you're 169 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: in it for meat, you can always wait on your bucks, 170 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: but knock a few doughs down at the end of 171 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: the season maybe instead of taking that spikerroo. Now, in 172 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: regards to chronic wasting disease, these bucks that travel from 173 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: social group to social group are carriers in high CWD areas. 174 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: The older that deer is, the more likely it is 175 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: to be carrying CWD. But man, I really think you've 176 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: got to be on that program of if you're happy 177 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: with it, we'll be happy with it as long as 178 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: you make a good shot. Moving on to the fire desk, 179 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: wildfires are still blazing in Los Angeles as of this recording, 180 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: though I hope by the time you hear this, they've 181 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: been mostly contained. At least twenty four people have died, 182 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: and billions of dollars worth of homes and businesses have 183 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: been destroyed. Strong winds, dry conditions, and a large amount 184 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: of brush have made the La Fires some of the 185 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: costliest in American history, and our prayers go out to 186 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: everyone who's been affected. Now on the conservation side of 187 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: this store, state biologists are extremely concerned that the Palisades 188 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: Fire could threaten the last population of steelhead trout and 189 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: Santa Monica Mountains. The Palisades Fire has burned an area 190 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: around the Topanga Creek, a small coastal mountain stream that 191 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: drains into the Pacific Ocean. Tapanga Creek also happens to 192 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: be home to populations of steelhead trout that is believed 193 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: to be the last surviving remnant of the once thriving 194 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: species in the Santa Monicas. The fisheries program manager for 195 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: that region of the state told the La Times quote, 196 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: Tapanga is really the only place that they were left. 197 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: You might be asking yourself, why would fish be concerned 198 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: about a wildfire if they live in water. It's not 199 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: really the fire that presents the danger ironically enough, it's 200 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: the rains that come after. Los Angelinos have been praying 201 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: for rain for weeks, but when that rain finally does come, 202 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: it'll wash all the burned debris into creeks and rivers 203 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: and eventually into the ocean. The debris chokes those rivers 204 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: in creeks of oxygen and makes it difficult for fish 205 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: to survive. When it comes to threatened species like steel 206 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: a head in the Santa Monicas, that's a big deal, 207 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: and biologists are trying to figure out how to help. 208 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: They told the La Times that once the fires subside 209 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: and it's safe to visit to Panga, they're going to 210 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: hike in and see what they can do. If they 211 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: can catch some of the fish and move them to 212 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: a facility for a few months, it'll save them from 213 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: the worst of the debris. Then they can be returned 214 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: to the river. Biologists have successfully used this technique before, 215 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: but it's always risky when you're talking about so few fish. 216 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: Might sound strange to be thinking about fish when so 217 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: many people have lost their lives and homes, but that's 218 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: what we pay biologists to do, and I hope this 219 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: is just one of the many successful recovery efforts we'll 220 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: see in the weeks and months ahead. Moving on to 221 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: the crime desk, a would be poacher in New York 222 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: got caught or red handed after he accidentally shot himself 223 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: in the hand. Get it red handed while trying to 224 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: poach a buck from a road. The New York Department 225 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: of Environmental Conservation reports that three men from Vermont were 226 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: driving around the upstate of the Empire State when they 227 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: spied a buck. The driver stuck his rifle out the 228 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: window to take a crack at the deer, but right 229 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: as he was about to pull the trigger, a truck 230 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: drove past. The driver yanked the rifle back into the 231 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: car to avoid adding manslaughter to his list of charges, 232 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: but when he did, he pulled the trigger and shot 233 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: himself in the hand. The group drove back to Vermont 234 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: and took their buddy to the hospital, but they told 235 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: authorities that the incident occurred in Vermont. Further investigation uncovered 236 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: the truth, and the shooter eventually admitted to his crimes. 237 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: Along with hunting without a license and illegally discharging firearm. 238 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: This fella was also charged with criminal possession of a 239 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: weapon since he was also a convicted felon no real 240 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: surprise there speaking of opportunistic road hunting. A Miami man 241 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: is being charged with a felony for poaching an alligator 242 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: from the side of the road in Monroe County, Florida. 243 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: Official say thirty seven year old Vincent Edward Quinn spied 244 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: the gator, killed it by whacking it on the head 245 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: with a blunt object, cut off its tail, and left 246 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: the body. He was spotted by witness who apparently gave 247 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: police enough information to track Quinn back to his house. 248 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: He admitted to his crimes, likely because they found the 249 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: alligator tail in his backyard. Officers arrested him on a 250 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: felony charge of illegal killing of an alligator, plus misdemeanor 251 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: conservation and animal cruelty charges. Kentucky officials are looking for 252 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: the person who baited and killed the deer in Louisville 253 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: Nature Preserve. The Beargrass Creek State Nature Preserve is located 254 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: within Louisville city limits and encompasses forty one acres of 255 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: forested walking trails. The Louisville Nature Center posted on a 256 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: Facebook page last week that hunting of any kind is 257 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: illegal in the preserve and the person responsible and endangered 258 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: the preserve's visitors by discharging a crossbow within its boundaries. 259 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: It is unclear how big the buck was or whether 260 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: the hunter recovered any part of it. Anyone with information 261 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: about this incident is encouraged to contact the Kentucky Department 262 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: of Fish and Wildlife Resources. Urban hunting is great, but 263 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: please be sure you do it legally. Just because there's 264 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: piece of public ground doesn't mean it's legal to hunt 265 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: on it. In a similar story, two men were arrested 266 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of Austin, Texas for spearfishing largemouth bass. 267 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: An observant teenager told game wardens that he'd seen the 268 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: men fishing on the Barton Creek arm of Lady Bird Lake, 269 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: which runs through downtown Austin. When game wardens arrived, they 270 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: found the men were wearing wetsuits and snorkels. One of 271 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: the poachers would dive down, spearfew fish, and then return 272 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: to the man on the bank, who would stash the 273 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: fish in a cooler. Might be tempted to commend these 274 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: men for concocting a creative way to bring home groceries. 275 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: The only problem is that spearfishing for largemouth is illegal 276 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: in Ladybird Lake, organs found a cooler full of eighteen bass, 277 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: weighing a total of seventy five pounds. They cited the 278 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: spear fishermen with multiple violations, along with six thousand dollars 279 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: in restitution. Big thanks to Carson Roberts for sending us 280 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: that story up. In New Jersey, a year long investigation 281 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: is over after two poachers pled guilty to killing a 282 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: deer from a roadway in New York game Wardens. Probably 283 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: they didn't expect the case to take that long. They 284 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: learned about the incident after a homeowner submitted a video 285 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: from a doorbell camera that showed the deer collapsing on 286 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: their driveway. A black pickup truck with New Jersey plates 287 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: pulled up and two men got out, loaded the deer 288 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: into the bed, and drove away. They evaded a rest 289 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: until late last year, when New York game Wardens found 290 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: the same truck parked on the side of the road 291 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: near public hunting land in the town of Lexington. They 292 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: followed the truck to a hunting camp and identified the 293 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: same men seen on the doorbell camera. Both men pled 294 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: guilty and paid fines totally twenty five hundred dollars. In 295 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: a more serious case, a Washington State hunting guide is 296 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: being charged by the Department of Justice for violating the 297 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: Lacy Act by transporting illegally taken birds from Canada to 298 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: the US. The indictment alleges that forty six year old 299 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: Brandon Trigger led three hunting parties on trips to Canada 300 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: to target harlequin ducks. The problem was he told Canadian 301 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: homeland security authorities that he was hunting with friends, when 302 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: in reality he was being paid to lead guided hunts. 303 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: Trigger's guiding company, Mayhem Services, advertises harlequin duck hunts on 304 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: its website and water Fowlers prize these ducks as a 305 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: rare and unusual species. Treger's website advertises a trophy se 306 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: duck hunting package at two three hundred and fifty dollars 307 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: for a four day trip, but it doesn't say anything 308 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: about going to Canada. The DOJ press release mentions that 309 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: Washington State closed harlequin hunting for the twenty twenty two 310 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: to twenty three season, but limited hunting remained open in 311 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: British Columbia. Sounds like Treger didn't want to lose out 312 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: on the revenue from those hunts, so he lied to 313 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: get across the border. He also allegedly conspired with the 314 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: Canadian taxidermist to have the hunting birds shipped back to 315 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: the United States, which also violates the Lacy Act. The 316 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: maximum five for Tregger's charges is five years in prison 317 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: and two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in fines or 318 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: twice the economic gain or loss. Last one for you. 319 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: You've heard of hunting dogs, but what do you know 320 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: about hunting ferrets? The Oxford Mail reports that five men 321 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: were charged and punished by police for using a ferret 322 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: to hunt rabbits illegally. The men live in a rural 323 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: area around Oxford, England, and they were apparently using a 324 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: ferret to flesh out rabbits from their burrows. Though much 325 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: less common today, ferreting is an ancient hunting technique. Traps 326 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: replaced the exits to rabbit warrens, and a ferret is 327 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: sent in the last remaining hole. Domestic ferrets do not 328 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: exist in the wild, but they are a member of 329 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: the mustilla day family, which includes weasels, badgers, martins, wolverines, otters, 330 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: and pole cats. Those ancient jenes kick in when they 331 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: smell a rabbit, and they go scurrying around the warren 332 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: in search of prey. If you place the traps correctly, 333 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: it won't take long before a rabbit scurries out to 334 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: get away from the ferret and finds itself out of 335 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: the frying pan and into the fire, or in this case, 336 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: it's it's more like out of the ferret's stomach and 337 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: into the frying pan. Anyway, details are scarce, but it 338 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: sounds like these guys were ferreting in a place they 339 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: were not allowed to ferret or didn't have the proper 340 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: ferreting license. They were issued something called community resolution and 341 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: community protection warnings and sent on their way. Moving on 342 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: to a legislative edition of the mail Bag. Last week 343 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: we asked you to send in what's going on in 344 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: your neck of the woods legislation wise, and boy did 345 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: you deliver. Matt Perry from New York sent me a 346 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: note about a proposal that would end the state's pheasant 347 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: stocking program. Empire State legislators told The New York Times 348 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: that the program, which places pheasants in fields and allows 349 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: hunters to chase them is quote state sponsored cruelty. It's absurd, 350 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: and it makes New York State complicit in the slaughter 351 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: of animals, said Lynda b Rosenthal, a Democratic Assembly member 352 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: from Manhattan. So Rosenthal and her colleagues introduced a bill 353 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: that would immediately end the program. Bill A zero zero 354 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: eight eight eight would prohibit the state's participation in artificial 355 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: pheasant propagation activities and close any state owned or operated 356 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: facility producing pheasants. Now, I know upland hunters have mixed 357 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: emotions about bird stocking programs, but the fact is in 358 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: many states, stock field are the only game in town. 359 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: That's one of the points Matt made in his email. 360 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: He's a new hunter who became interested in bird hunting 361 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: to spend more time in the outdoors and have a 362 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: greater hand in where his food comes from. He struck 363 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: out on his first few waterfowl hunts, but a friend 364 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: invited him to go pheasant hunting on public land that 365 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: participates in the pheasant stocking program. Matt says, quote, there 366 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: after looking for two and a half hours and being 367 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: on the edge of packing up, we finally spotted, pursued, 368 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 1: and flushed a rooster. I took my shot and got 369 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: my first animal harvest as a hunter. It was an 370 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: amazing experience that set the hook for me and one 371 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: that should continue as an avenue for people to enjoy 372 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: the outdoors and as an introduction to hunting for people 373 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: like myself. Thanks for your perspective, Matt. If you live 374 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: in New York and want to weigh in on this bill, 375 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: tell your state assembly member what you think about A 376 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: zero zero eight eight eight. As always, you'll find the 377 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: links to this bill and how to find your legislators 378 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: at the meaeater dot com, forward slash coal. Just to 379 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: pile on to what old Matt was saying, our good 380 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: buddy Ronnie Bame, host of the Hunting Dog podcast, will 381 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: tell you if it weren't for programs like that, he 382 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't be a bird hunter today. Eric Stockey from North 383 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: Dakota made me aware of a bill that would allow 384 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: hunters to bait for big game animals. SB two one 385 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: three seven, authored by State Senator Keith Bame, would prohibit 386 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: the North Dakota Game and Fish Department from adopting a 387 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: rule or implementing a policy that would quote prohibit or 388 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: restrict the use of supplemental feed on private property for 389 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: hunting big game animals. A similar bill was introduced in 390 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three legislative session. It passed the House 391 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: by a wide margin, but was narrowly defeated in the Senate. 392 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: Many states allow baiting on private land, but Eric believes 393 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: it isn't necessary on North Dakota's open landscape. He said 394 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: in his email quote, the North Dakota landscape is unique 395 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: compared to most states that allow baiting, where we are 396 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: generally grasslands with draws, creeks, and rivers with wooded areas. 397 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm not for this bill because I don't think it 398 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: is a fair method for our area. I understand baiting 399 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: in large wooded areas like Minnesota, Michigan in the southeast 400 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: of the US, but North Dakota has limited woods and 401 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: it is easy to identify dear patterns without needing bait. 402 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: You could also argue that a bill like this would 403 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: really throw a ranch in the game and fish Department's 404 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: management efforts. If the biologists with the department believed that 405 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: baiting would serve a management purpose, I think something like 406 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: this would get more support, But as it is, it 407 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: sounds like it's more about making hunting easier for those 408 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: on private land than serving an ecological Purpose listener Philip 409 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: Akins sent me a proposal in Wisconsin that could have 410 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: far reaching implications for how wildlife is managed in the state. 411 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers announced earlier this month that he 412 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: is asking the state legislature to consider a bill that 413 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: would create a process for binding ballot initiatives. Ballot initiatives 414 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: allow the residents of a state to vote on measures 415 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: that have the force of law. Not every state allows 416 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: for this process, but some do. Wants to add Wisconsin 417 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: to that list. Ballot initiatives have been used to implement 418 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: policies that protect hunting and fishing. We've covered a few 419 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: recent examples on this podcast, but more often they are 420 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: used to push for things that limit access and opportunities 421 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: for hunters and anglers. A ballot initiative is how California 422 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: banned mountain lion hunting, and Colorado nearly did the same 423 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: last year. A ballot initiative is also why state biologists 424 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: in Colorado were forced to import a pack of wolves 425 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: from Oregon, even though wolves were already moving into the state. 426 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: Anti hunters and animal rights activists push for these initiatives 427 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: because they know that since the vast majority of the 428 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: general public doesn't hunt, they can turn a bare majority 429 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: of voters against hunting rights. More fundamentally, I would argue 430 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: that the general public isn't qualified to make wildlife management decisions. 431 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: Ballot box biology is a real threat to wild places 432 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: and species and would be a shame to see Wisconsin 433 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: open up that can of worms. Philip has contacted his 434 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: state legislators to oppose this initiative, and I encourage anyone 435 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: else in Wisconsin to do the same. That's all I 436 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: got for you this week. Thank you so much for listening. 437 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: Remember to write into a sk C a L that's 438 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: Askcal at the meeteater dot com let me know what's 439 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: going on in your neck of the woods. I appreciate 440 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: everybody who's doing it right now. We got a lot 441 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: to cover this time of year. Couldn't do it without you. 442 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: Talk to you next week.