1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: Welcome. It is verdic with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: with you, and we've got a big show for you today, 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: including really an incredible moment at the White House honoring 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk on what would have been his birthday. We're 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: going to talk about that center you were there. But 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: also we've got an update as well on the government shutdown. 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 2: Well, it is day fifteen of the Schumer shutdown. The 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: government remains shut down. We voted on Tuesday to reopen 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: the government. The Republicans voted to reopen the government, and sadly, 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: the Democrats continued to say shut it down, shut it down, 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: shut it down. Now today October fifteenth, the President is 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: doing something that is really kind of wrecking the Democrats playbook, 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: which is the President moved funds around within the Department 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: of War and he said, we're going to pay our 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: servicemen and women. We're going to send out their paychecks. 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: I think Schumer and the Democrats were counting on these 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: paychecks not going out. You have a number of Democrats 18 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: expressing their dismay about it. We're going to break that 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: down and tell you what's happening about the shutdown. We're 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: also going to talk about, as you noted, Tuesday, President 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 2: Trump in the Rose Garden gave Charlie Kirk posthumously the 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 2: Presidential Medal of Freedom. I was there. It was an 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: incredible event. It honored his life. We're going to talk 24 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: to you about that as well. 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really important conversation that we're going to 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: have about that, and it's one that's not being reported 27 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: on as well. 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Right now, all right, Senator, so 59 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: let's just talk about like where we are to give 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: the updates This is something I think it's important for 61 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: us to do when it comes to shutdown what is 62 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: happening now in Washington, And I got a feeling you're 63 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: gonna be like nothing at all. 64 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, look it's October fifteenth. So one of the consequences 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: is is federal workers all across the federal government had 66 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: their paycheck not direct deposited. And so for a lot 67 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: of workers who are living paycheck to paycheck, it means 68 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: they're not getting the check that they were planning on 69 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: to pay their bills. They're not getting the check they're 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: planning on to go to the grocery store. They're not 71 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: getting the check they're planning on to pay healthcare expenses, 72 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: tuition expenses, all daycare expenses, all of the day to 73 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: day expenses. It was also scheduled to be the day 74 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 2: on which our troops, our soldiers, our sailors, our airmenham 75 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: marines would not get paid either. And and we've seen 76 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,839 Speaker 2: online images of young soldiers standing in line at at 77 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: at food pantries to get food. You know, many of 78 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: our young, particularly enlisted men and women, are living on 79 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: very limited budgets and and and not getting a paycheck 80 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: is a real hardship for them. Now, I will say 81 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: the latter has not happened because President Trump has done 82 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: something that I don't think has ever happened in the 83 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: previous shutdown, which which is he has readjusted money that 84 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: was going to other expenses within the Department of War. 85 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: He's shifted it around to an account to pay our 86 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: servicemen and women. I'm grateful that he did so. It 87 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: really is quite striking that the Democrats, multiple Democrats, are 88 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: expressing dismay, how dare you pay our servicemen and women? Uh? 89 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: But on Tuesday. On Tuesday, the Senate came back in 90 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: town and we voted. We voted for the ninth time, 91 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: Republicans voted to reopen the government. I voted to reopen 92 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: the government. We're ready to reopen it. And the Democrats 93 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: came in almost party line, All but a couple of 94 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: Democrats voted no, no, no, keep the government down. And 95 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: by the way, Schumer recently said it was quote better 96 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: for Democrats to extend the government shutdown. Now, I got 97 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: to say that's a cynical statement. They're counting on the 98 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: media to be dishonest about what's going on. But listen, 99 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: the end of this is it's going to end in 100 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: the same place. At some point, the Democrats are going 101 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: to give in. And I'll tell you what most of 102 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: the Republican senators believe, myself included, which is the shutdown 103 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: will continue at least until next week. And the reason 104 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: for that is on October eighteenth, on Saturday, there is 105 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: a big rally planned in Washington, d C. The so 106 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: called No King's Rally, where a bunch of leftist radicals 107 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: are going to be coming to Washington, d C. To 108 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: protest against Donald try Trump. Because that's what the left does, 109 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: is they say we hate Trump, we hate Trump. And 110 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: what I'm hearing is the Democrats are terrified of reopening 111 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: the government before that No King's Rally because they think 112 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: if they do reopen the government, those radicals will be furious. 113 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: And listen, why are we having a shutdown. We're having 114 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: a shut down two reasons. Number one, because the Democrats 115 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: want free, taxpayer provided health care for illegal aliens. But 116 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: number two, the real reason we're having a shutdown is 117 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: because Chuck Schumer is fighting for his political life and 118 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 2: he's trying to demonstrate to the radical left he hates 119 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: Trump as much as they do and so I think 120 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: at a minimum, the shutdown will continue through this weekend. 121 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: The earliest we see the government opening up is next week. 122 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: But you know what, Schumer and the Democrats might make 123 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: it drag out even further than that, because right now 124 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: they seem utterly oblivious to the consequences of their massive 125 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: political obstruction. 126 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. And I go back to being 127 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: held hostage and the fact that Democrats are really outraged 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: over the idea of paying our military. I think that's 129 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: just really gross. I am shocked they're not taking a 130 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: bigger political hit, and the media is just giving them 131 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: full coverage on this one to act like their outrage 132 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: is somehow sane or normal. I actually think the American 133 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: people look at this otherwise. Am I wrong? 134 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 2: Look, I think you're right, although candidly, I think each 135 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: side lives in its own echo chamber. So I think 136 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: if you're inclined to agree with Republicans, your view is, Gosh, 137 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: the Democrats are being ridiculous. This is the Schumer shutdown now. Sadly, 138 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: if you're inclined to agree with Democrats, if you're on 139 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: the left, you're listening to see it in you're listening 140 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: to MSNBC. You're in an echo chamber where everyone you 141 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: hear is saying, it's the horrible Republicans, It's the horrible Republicans, 142 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: and so I think that's part of the reason why 143 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: the two sides have very different percent I don't think 144 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: this is going well for the Democrats at all, but 145 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: I'm not sure they agree, because if they're just listening 146 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: to their radicals, they think it's wonderful. By the way, 147 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: their radicals would leave the government shut down for months 148 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: and months and months, because all they care about is 149 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: saying we hate Trump. Now here's how this is gonna end. 150 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: I don't think Chuck Schumer is gonna end it. I 151 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna show any leadership because I think 152 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: he is terrified. He is hearing AOC breathing down his neck. 153 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: What I think is going to happen is you're going 154 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: to need at least seven Democrats who decide, Okay, enough 155 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: is enough, let's reopen the government, let's stop this petulance. 156 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: And I think it is going to be almost exclusively 157 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: retiring Democrats, people who are on their way out and 158 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: Democrats who are not facing their left wing voters anytime soon. 159 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: My guess is Schumer never votes to open the government, 160 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: but I think he may condone. He may look the 161 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: other way and wink a couple of times at letting 162 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: a little bit of a jail break, at letting eight 163 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: to ten Democrats vote to say, let's reopen the government, 164 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: and I think all the rest of the Democrats vote no, no, no, 165 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: to preserve themselves from their left flank. 166 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,359 Speaker 1: Do you believe that Democrats will actually sit down with Republicans. 167 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: It's really something that hasn't happened. Certainly on the House side, 168 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: Democrats are saying and no, we have nothing to talk about. 169 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: Do you think that Democrats will be let out of 170 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: that jail once this No King's rally takes place? And 171 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: how quickly afterwards do you think we can actually see 172 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: that conversation begin. 173 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: Well, look, right now, Schumer is not talking with Republican 174 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: leadership at King Jeffries in the House is not talking 175 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 2: with Republican leadership. I don't think it will be Democrat leadership. 176 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: That there's a group of about a dozen Democrat senators 177 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: who are having conversations and they're talking a little bit 178 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: to Republicans. And I think the way this will end 179 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: is after the rally. And by the way, think about it. 180 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 2: If you're a federal worker right now and you're working 181 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: at say the VA, and you didn't get your paycheck today, 182 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: the reason you didn't get your paycheck is the Democrats 183 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: are scared to have a rally of radicals in Washington 184 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: while they allowed you to get your paycheck. I mean, 185 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: this is pure left wing politics. And by the way, 186 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: Schumer's comment on this, he said, quote, every day gets 187 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 2: better for us, he said, quote every day the Republicans 188 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: refused to negotiate to end this shutdown, the worse it 189 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 2: gets for Americans, and the clear it becomes who's fighting 190 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: for them. That is their view, or that is at 191 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: least the view of the radicals. But I think what 192 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: you'll see is among that roughly dozen Democrats who are 193 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: having conversations right now, you'll see seven, eight nine of 194 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: them say Okay, let's open the government. And that's how 195 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: this ends. 196 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: Final question on this. The President today at the White 197 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: House did talk about, Hey, you better get ready come 198 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: Thursday Friday. You guys don't get back on board of 199 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: opening the government up, I'm going to start cutting democratic 200 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: programs because we think there's a lot of waste there, 201 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: not Republican programs. Is that the type of leverage that 202 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: we need right now? 203 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 204 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: So. 205 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: I was at the White House on Tuesday. I talked 206 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: with many Cabinet members. I talked with Russ Vode, who's 207 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: the head of the Office of Management and Budget and 208 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: he's in charge of the layoffs. And they've already started. 209 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: They've laid off thousands of federal government workers. And the 210 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: Trump White House has said the longer the shutdown continues, 211 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: the more government workers will be laid off, not furloughed temporarily, 212 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: but laid off. And they're going to focus on policies 213 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: and priorities that are inconsistent with the President's agenda, that 214 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: are Democrat priorities. And I think that leverage will accelerate 215 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: the Democrats saying Okay, we're going to stop holding the 216 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: government hostage, and we're going to allow the clean Continual 217 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: Resolution that the House passed weeks ago. We're going to 218 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: allow that to be signed to. 219 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: Speaking of the White House, as you just mentioned, you 220 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: were there with many Cabinet members that were in attendance 221 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: for a really I think special moment. You and I 222 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: had the honor and the privilege to go to the 223 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: memorial service for Charlie Kirk. What we witnessed today was 224 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: something incredible. Donald Trump awarded Charlie Kirk the Medal of 225 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: Freedom on what would have been his thirty second birthday 226 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: at the White House and his wife, his widow, Erica, 227 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: was there to accept this. It was a moving moment 228 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: and you were there for all of it. 229 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: So it was truly a beautiful It was a beautiful day. 230 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: It was a beautiful fall day at October at Washington, 231 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: d c. The sun was out. We were in the 232 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: Rose Garden, and in the Rose garden you had you 233 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: had a lot of members of Congress, you had virtually 234 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: the entire cabinet came out for it, and Erica Kirk, 235 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: Charlie's widow, was there. The President really, i think did 236 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: a very good job remembering Charlie, speaking speed from the heart, 237 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: honoring Charlie's legacy, and presenting him with the highest civilian 238 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: honor we have in this country and in the military context, 239 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,599 Speaker 2: the Medal of Honor is the highest recipient that that 240 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: can be awarded an individual. In the civilian context, the 241 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: Medal of Freedom, it is the highest honor that can 242 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: be awarded an individual and to give it to Charlie. 243 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: It was bittersweet because Charlie would have been thirty two. 244 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: He was a young man. He had an incredibly bright future, 245 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: as you and I have talked about. We both have 246 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: known Charlie a long time. I considered Charlie a very 247 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: close friend. Heidie and I met Charlie when he was 248 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: just eighteen years old, when he was a kid, you know, 249 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 2: at the ceremony at the White House, I met Charlie's parents. 250 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: I had not met his parents before, and I had 251 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: an opportunity to just just tell both his mom and 252 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: dad say, look look, Hidie and I we love Charlie. 253 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: And when we got to know him fourteen years ago, 254 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: his vision then was as clear as it was the 255 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: day he died. His vision of creating a movement to energize, 256 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: to mobilize young people, to mobilize young people to love freedom, 257 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: to love, free enterprise, to love the Constitution, to love America. 258 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: That vision, you could see it. What I met at 259 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: me was this tall, lanky, eighteen year old kid, was 260 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: fresh out of high school, had not gone to college. 261 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: And you gotta remember the context. This is twenty twelve, 262 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: beginning of twenty thirteen, Barack Obama had just been reelected. 263 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: The Democrats were resurgent at that point. Young people being 264 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: a Democrat at an Obama democrat was hip and cool. 265 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: The idea of energizing a lot of young people to 266 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: be conservatives, frankly, sounded looney. It did not sound like 267 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: an easy task at all. A lot of people in 268 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: the Republican Party said this will never work. But Charlie 269 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: had a vision. And I was telling his mom and dad. 270 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: I said, look, his vision was extraordinary. One of the 271 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: things I said to them is I said, look, I'm 272 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: queer grieving the loss of your son. He was extraordinram 273 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: so sorry, so sorry for your loss. But I said, 274 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: you know what I think, in the last month, it 275 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: may well be possible that more people have heard the 276 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: Gospel than in any comparable period of our lifetimes. That 277 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: that memorial service in Arizona for Charlie was a global 278 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: event where people heard the gospel. And I got to 279 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: say at Charlie's funeral service when Erica stood up and 280 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: she talked about how when Jesus was hanging on the 281 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: cross and he was looking down at the Roman soldiers 282 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: who had nailed him to the Cross, who were in 283 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: the process of killing him, and Jesus said, from the Cross, Father, 284 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: forgive them, for they know not what they do. And 285 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: she talked about how how Charlie really had a mission 286 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: for young people, particularly young men, young men who were 287 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: often disaffected, disillusion to help them find find their way 288 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: and find find a purpose in life, a meaningful purpose 289 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: that provides real, real satisfaction and real reason uh for living. 290 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: And she talked about that young man who shot Charlie, 291 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: that young man, and then she said, and I got 292 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: to say, she was doing this wind up. I knew you, 293 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: knew where she was going. And I got to tell you, 294 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: and I understand you and I were standing next to 295 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: each other. I literally held my breath. I'm like, is 296 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: she going to be able to say this? And she 297 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: stood up with with the eyes of the world upon 298 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: him and said, that young man, the young man who 299 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: pulled the trigger and murdered her husband, murdered the father 300 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 2: for children. She said, I forgive him. I don't know 301 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: that there was a dry eye in the house. And 302 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: one of the things that is so incredible is millions 303 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 2: of people were watching that and and listen, if you're 304 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: a Christian, you understand just like Jesus said, Father, forgive them, 305 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: for they know not what they do, even as they 306 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: were killing him. But if you're not a Christian, I 307 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: believe thousands, if not millions, of people looked at each 308 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: other and said, how can she say that? Where does 309 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: that come from? Where does that forgiveness come from? Where 310 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 2: does that love come from? And I think it was 311 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: as powerful a testament of the Gospel as as as 312 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: as we have seen in a long long time, and 313 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: and and and it and I got to say today 314 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 2: the President spoke beautifully. And by the way, when Erica 315 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: said I forgive him, Ben, I hope and pray you 316 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: or I are never in that situation. I don't know 317 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: that those words could come out of my mouth. I 318 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: would want them to, I would desperately want them to. 319 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: But I that the strength it took for her to 320 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: say those words I find utterly astonishing. And I just 321 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: I told Charlie's parents, I said, listen, I so wish 322 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 2: Charlie were with us today. But millions have heard the 323 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: Gospel in the last several weeks because of Charlie, and 324 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: that is one hell of a legacy. 325 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: So over the last several weeks, you've heard me talk 326 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: with Josherrard from Berna. He's been telling stories of how 327 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: people just like you have used their Berna launcher to 328 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: protect themselves and their families. Now, Burna is a handheld 329 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: pistol that fires both kinetic rounds and chemical irritants to 330 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: separate you from an attacker, and it can be life saving. 331 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: Josh is back with you today to tell another story 332 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: about how a former professional race car driver saved his 333 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: family from an attack outside the garage of their own home. Josh, 334 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: tell me about this. 335 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just happened, actually not too long ago in 336 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: Santa Monica, just two blocks from the beach. So former 337 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 3: pro race car driver Court Wagner was pulling into his 338 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: garage with his family in the car when he was 339 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: confronted by a man hiding in the alley. After trying 340 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 3: to talk to him into leaving, it was obviously not 341 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: going to work. The man lunged at Court with a 342 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: sharp object, trying to attack him, with his wife and 343 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: child only steps away. He grabbed his Burnal launcher that 344 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 3: he kept in the glove box of his car and 345 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 3: fired five rounds, striking the attackers several times. The suspect 346 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 3: fled immediately it worked, and Court called the police and 347 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: gave him the description of the assailant, and now police 348 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: were able to locate someone that somewhat matched a description 349 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: in the area, not quite exactly. And it wasn't until 350 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: officers lifted the suspect shirt and saw the multiple wealths 351 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: from the burn A launchers that they knew they had 352 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: the right guy and subsequently arrested him. 353 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: It really is incredible. And I get this question now 354 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: often when I'm out, and that is okay. Tell me 355 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: about how a launcher works, and they worry about or 356 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: they wonder about the stopping power of less lethal weapons. 357 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: I've used it. It's amazing. I have it in all 358 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: of my cars right now because I want to have 359 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: this option. 360 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, you know, the stopping power is great, no 361 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: matter if you're using our kinetic rounds or even the 362 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: chemical agent rounds that obviously have the gas in them, 363 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 3: the tear gas, the pepper spray that's going to incapacitate them. 364 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a great case of how some 365 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: resistance enough resistance obviously to cause these wealths immediately stop 366 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: the situation, and was able to provide that safety for 367 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 3: Court and his family. 368 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: It really is incredible. If you want more information on 369 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: what I carry and how you and your family members 370 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: can protect themselves or they burn a launcher webs there 371 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: is for a daughter, or for a family member or 372 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: a grandparent, go to Berna b why r in a 373 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: dot com? That's burna b why r ina dot com again? 374 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 1: Burna dot com right now? You know, I think one 375 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: of the most incredible things that you just mentioned is 376 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: the legacy. And one of the things that the President 377 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: said today at the White House for people that didn't 378 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: hear it, was talking about Charlie Kirk being a martyr. 379 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: And this is what the President said about that. 380 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 4: Said on the day that he was assassinated. Charlie Kirk 381 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 4: was a martyr for truth and for freedom, and from 382 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 4: Socrates to Think and to Saint Peter, from Abraham Lincoln 383 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 4: to Martin Luther King, those who change history the most, 384 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 4: and he really did have always risked their lives for 385 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: causes they were put on earth to defend. He was 386 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 4: put on earth to do exactly what he was doing. 387 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: He didn't want to waste time. He would have been 388 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 4: a top student at any college in the country I know, 389 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 4: to college as well he's smarter than the guys. He 390 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: was so smart. But he almost I guess, didn't have 391 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 4: the time. He knew what he wanted to do. It 392 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 4: wasn't like Jae I want to sit in this classroom 393 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 4: for four years listening to people teach me liberal principles, 394 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 4: because they were never going to teach him that anyway. 395 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: But he didn't have the time. He really didn't have 396 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 4: the time. But every time the enemies of goodness and 397 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: virtue tried to silence the voice of righteous and noble 398 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 4: leaders like Charlie, they failed. They seem to fail. Ultimately, 399 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 4: they look like they're doing well, and then they end 400 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 4: up failing because the truth has been unrelenting over the years, 401 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 4: over history, and people like Charlie, it's just they've got 402 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 4: a power that others don't have, and very few people 403 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 4: will ever have. So today, like those martyrs before him, 404 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 4: Charlie's voice, his message, and his legacy are stronger and 405 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 4: greater than ever before. They are greater than ever before. 406 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: You know him saying as I said on the day 407 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: he was assassinated, Charlie Kirk was a martyr for truth 408 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: and for freedom, and I couldn't agree more. To compare 409 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 1: him as he did to Saint Peter, to Abraham Lincoln, 410 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: to Martin Luther King Junior. These are people that change history. 411 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: Charlie will be remembered in the same breath with those 412 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: types of leaders, and I think that's part of the legacy. 413 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, not only did Charlie and his 414 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: legacy now it is one hundred percent setting I think 415 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: young men and young women on fire to be bolder 416 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: in their faith, to be better Christians and to seek 417 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: the truth of the Bible and the Gospel. And just 418 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: what he was able to do in his death is phenomenal, 419 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: but also what he was doing to fight for this 420 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: country at the same time, that is going to be 421 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: a legacy that's going to live on because so many 422 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: people they are going to do it for Charlie. I 423 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: think you and I would include ourselves in that as well. 424 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: Well. Listen, he was very much He was a martyr 425 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: for freedom, a martyr for truth. I also told Charlie's parents, 426 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: I think more people heard Charlie's words of the last 427 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 2: four weeks that then heard them in the entire thirty 428 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: one nearly thirty two years of his life. That the 429 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: number of people who went and said, who was this 430 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk guy? What did he have to say? Who 431 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: listened to exchanges as he was on college campuses, as 432 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 2: he was engaging with people who disagreed with him, as 433 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 2: he treated them with respect, with dignity. That is a 434 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: powerful legacy. I will tell you. One of the things 435 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 2: that was also striking about the Metal of Freedom ceremony 436 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: is it was a continuation of a conversation that happened 437 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 2: at Charlie's funeral ceremony. So at the funeral, Erica Kirk 438 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: spoke and I mentioned how she said that she forgives 439 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: the murderer who murdered her husband, and she talks about 440 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: how Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. And you know, 441 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: Trump spoke at the funeral, and he gave, I think, 442 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: very strong remarks. But one of the things he said 443 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: is he said that's something he had a great deal 444 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: of difficulty doing, that he did not love his enemies, 445 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: that he hated his enemies, and he liked to fight 446 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 2: his enemies. And he kind of laughed about it, but 447 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: he said that, and and it was that was a 448 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: back and forth from Arizona. Well in the Rose Garden, 449 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 2: Trump brought it up again, and and look, President Trump 450 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 2: knew Charlie very well, and he said, you know, I 451 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: know Erica talked about how he loved his enemies. But 452 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: he said, you know, when I talked to Charlie, he said, 453 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I saw that. I think he like 454 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: when he was in a battle, he would fight, fight 455 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: his enemies and fight them vigorously. And listen, Charlie was 456 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 2: a strong man and a passionate man who knew what 457 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: he believed. But it was very interesting. Erica spoke after 458 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: the President in the Rose Garden and she gave beautiful remarks. 459 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 2: But one of the things she said that I think 460 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: was directly responding to the president. She said, look, I 461 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: can tell you from having been married to him, Charlie 462 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: prayed for his enemies. And she said I saw that. 463 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: She said, I don't know that anyone else saw that, 464 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: but she said, I saw him and he prayed for 465 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 2: his enemies. And and President Trump was standing behind her 466 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: right shoulder, and she said it was it was lighthearted, 467 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: but she was kind of she was in many ways 468 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: responding to the President. And he like laughed, He was 469 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: good natured, but he was genuinely laughing and it was 470 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: a look. I think it was a good back and 471 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: forth that that that we should be vigorous in what 472 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: we believe. We should not not give in uh to 473 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 2: to to those who argue for positions that are harmful 474 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 2: to America. We should be full throated in our argument. 475 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: But but I. 476 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: Also think that the message that Erica was carrying forward 477 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: about it's possible to disagree, and and look, you go 478 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: watch the exchanges Charlie had on college campus after college campus, 479 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: when when you would have someone come in and argue 480 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: for open borders, when you would have someone come in 481 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: and argue for socialism, when someone come in and argue 482 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 2: for transgenderism, when you have someone come in and argue 483 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 2: for for hamas terrorists. Charlie was vigorous and full throated 484 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: in disputing them, but he was not mean spirited about it. 485 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: He was not I hate you, he was not you're 486 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 2: the enemy. But he would engage in a way that said, look, 487 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: I understand why you're saying that. Here's why I believe 488 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: you're mistaken. And and I think Rika was right that 489 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: he was able to do so from a position of love. 490 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 2: Love does not mean agreement. Love does not mean saying 491 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 2: I accept the position you're advocating, even though I believe 492 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 2: it is harmful to our country. But love means not 493 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: treating your political adversary as the enemy to be destroyed, 494 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 2: but instead trying to respond with reason, with compassion, trying 495 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: to move, and even if you don't move, your immediate 496 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: interlocktur those who are observing it. Charlie was very good 497 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: at responding in a way that persuaded a lot of 498 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: other people. And I thought that back and forth Tuesday 499 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: between the President and Erica was really powerful. 500 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would encourage everyone that is listening right now, 501 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: if you did not get to see as specifically Erica's remarks, 502 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: go listen to them, and go listen to Donald Trump's 503 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: full remarks as we played one of the highlights here. 504 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: But there was a lot that was said and it 505 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: wasn't covered in the same way obviously that his memorial 506 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: was covered. I'm still in shock that we're a month 507 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: since we lost Charlie Kirk, but today was a very 508 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: special day. I'm so thankful that the President did this. 509 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm thankful that his parents were there, that they got 510 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: to see how many people he influenced, the most important 511 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: people in our government the President of the United States 512 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: of America, and just to be able to hear from 513 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: people like you centered and to love on them and 514 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: to let them know that their son's life mattered in 515 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: such a big way. 516 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, Amen, don't forget. 517 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: We do the show Monday, Wednesday and Friday. 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