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Speaker 1: and we'll see you on the next IRL podcast. So

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Speaker 1: today is a special episode. We are talking to two icons,

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Speaker 1: two men who have two different paths, one powerful truth.

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Speaker 1: Omar Epps, of course, is an actor, author, storyteller. We've

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Speaker 1: seen his face in some of the most iconic movies

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Speaker 1: of all time. And of course two Chains is a

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Speaker 1: Grammy winning artist, businessman who's built an empire without ever

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Speaker 1: losing his authenticity. Together, they are the co writers and

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Speaker 1: producers on the new short film. It's called Red Clay.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to IRL gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We should start with the movie on the purpose that

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Speaker 1: brought you guys together for this project?

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Speaker 3: Whose idea? Where did it come from?

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Speaker 2: So this short film called Red Clay is a story

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Speaker 2: that's about me that I've never talked about in an

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Speaker 2: interview with you or anyone else. I've never necessarily put

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Speaker 2: it in my music, and it was hard for me

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Speaker 2: But you know, it does have its dark side to.

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Speaker 3: It, and there's a vulnerability that comes.

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Speaker 2: It's almost borderline embarrassing for me too, you know, but

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Speaker 2: my mom's here now and it's a story about you know,

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Speaker 1: Trying to think of the line. There was a line

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that line is like sums up so many

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Speaker 3: It was like, we don't have no other choice.

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Speaker 1: Basically something was happening in the film where one kid

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Speaker 3: We can't do this.

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Speaker 1: This is not and he says, what other choice do

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Speaker 3: And just that small line.

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Speaker 1: When you think about people's lives and the decisions they make,

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Speaker 2: Decisions, a bonehead or something. But I'm a firm believer

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Speaker 3: From that world. And here's that word. All the time.

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Speaker 2: It is predumbed dealing with the buying and selling them

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Speaker 2: I think this story is that it's another side to it.

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Speaker 2: My mom is here with me now, should be seventy

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Speaker 2: Were looking like it, were feeling like it. We smell

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: And again, in those subtle ways.

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Speaker 1: What is the hardest part of sharing this for you?

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Speaker 1: The most vulnerable part of this for you.

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Speaker 2: Because people are, oh man, well, like you know, people

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Speaker 2: Like, if I tell somebody that started like, come on, man,

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Speaker 4: Even when so to the thing that you know you're

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Speaker 5: That behavior, you know what I mean in a child's mind.

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Speaker 2: Look at yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean

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Speaker 5: It's interesting when people see the film. I mean, from

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Speaker 4: We were talking to some member. We was having that

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Speaker 1: Me too, look at us, look at us.

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Speaker 3: That's when did you meet yours?

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Speaker 5: I met my father once when I was twelve.

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Speaker 3: Oh and that was it?

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Speaker 2: Good old yeah, good.

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Your dad's is really.

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Speaker 1: You got extraordinary? Like considering the circumstances, y'all did extraordinary?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: They just showed a shot going in. They don't show

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing is both your situations with your pops,

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Speaker 4: It's a whole like I actually wrote a short about that, yes,

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Speaker 5: It's me late too, bro, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: No, it did, it did, but It's just one of

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Speaker 4: And I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just like, but that's real, though, it's real.

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Speaker 4: I think for me it really that really started to

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Speaker 3: Like, because nobody taught you how to do that, right.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder because for me, my story, my whole

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Speaker 1: I always thought, oh, because he was addicted to drugs,

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Speaker 1: Thought he died never because I haven't heard from him

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Speaker 3: Everything sounded like somebody was making an excuse, you know.

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Speaker 1: the first time. I realized it was more emotional than anything.

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Speaker 1: But it definitely somethings when your story gets rewritten, like

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Speaker 1: just wonder if there's a rewriting of who you are

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Speaker 3: Maybe not for you, Maybe that just was my sorry.

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Speaker 5: I think that's true.

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Speaker 4: we're going It's happening the right way in a sense

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Speaker 4: of we would have conversations about this childhood. I like

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Speaker 4: what you just said, rewiring, But it doesn't rewire you.

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Speaker 4: It's you rewiring yourself. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: It does? It does, So I had to It took

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Speaker 2: Fine tune yourself.

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Speaker 1: Fine tune. Yeah, fine tuning. And that's because I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: This is weird, right, Like.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear that.

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Speaker 3: I tell you.

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Speaker 2: I got too to say that person here you telling

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Speaker 1: Man, And I have to rewire again because I was like, no,

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Speaker 2: So I think the whole thing I know we talk

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Are you somebody that's like raised by

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Speaker 2: And I think my mind is definitely not, you know,

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Speaker 2: Are we outside? Is everybody outside or do we have

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Speaker 1: What is the thing that you you attribute to you

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Speaker 1: and you got.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, we got married in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying you seem to have figured out how

441
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 1: to do healthy family.

442
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 2: And both of them named Keisha Epps, which is yeah,

443
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 2: both my wife named Keisha now is wild.

444
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing.

445
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do you know, like, so, how what

446
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 1: do you attribute that to success in that way, especially

447
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: not being you know, usually have to learn how to

448
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 1: be a partner, a father, all those things.

449
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 4: That's a that's a good question. I mean, I just

450
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 4: think it's knowing who you are in our respective ways.

451
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 4: We both had to what they call grow up fast.

452
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 2: I was thinking the same thing. The low I was

453
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 2: about to say, because we was popping. We was popping.

454
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come clean. I was popping it. I was

455
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: popping so popping. You know, it's no secret. You know

456
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: my first threesome seventh grade, you know it was.

457
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,719
Speaker 3: It was not in the seventh grade.

458
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 5: That was How old was?

459
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 3: How old are you people?

460
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: Twelve? Twelve? You know? And girds they invited me in.

461
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to say their name, but yeah, well

462
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to tell you when you had these

463
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 2: kind of experiences so early, you know what I'm saying,

464
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: Not to say that you just was you know, you know,

465
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 2: the captain of the ship at this type of but

466
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: I was forced to grow up really really really fast.

467
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 2: So to find somebody that you can settle down with

468
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 2: or slow down with, it starts to be a goal.

469
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 3: You have to get it out of your system first.

470
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: You think, I don't know, I'm just speaking, you know

471
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And so, yeah, your circumstances, I don't

472
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: even know if it was about getting up my systems.

473
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: I met somebody that was super compatible, god fearing and

474
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: that I would like to help raise my kids. You

475
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying I.

476
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 5: Had to figure it out. Yeah I didn't.

477
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: I never for me, I was not trying to get married.

478
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 4: I didn't think marriage was in the carse for me

479
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 4: because you know what I'm saying.

480
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 3: Because you was young, omars in the streets.

481
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 4: My sniper rifles, my gosh, don't don't have keeps running here?

482
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 4: And I just you know, you know, you know, but

483
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 4: but I just you know, of course I thought about

484
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 4: having kids, you them, but I didn't know what you know,

485
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 4: you come from parents, household, like the idea.

486
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: Of for example, what do you do? What do you use?

487
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,959
Speaker 2: That's when you think that used to be my excuse

488
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 2: and tell like so who who? Who? The person? We

489
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 2: you know it's to be yeah, you know what.

490
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 3: I'm saying, happy marriage.

491
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, like who you know? But it becomes a time

492
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: where you have to stop using that excuse. And yeah,

493
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if it's an excuse, it's

494
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: the truth. It's some truth into it to be like Obama.

495
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: We have that though you look like we didn't have

496
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: Obama were like the Cosbys ain't Real's like right, ain't

497
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: neither one of our parents together either? One even talk

498
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 2: to the parent that they had you, you know, so

499
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: it is like, man, you have to jump out on faith.

500
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 4: If I can say something too though, you know, it's

501
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 4: a tribute to our women, Like we got some dope women,

502
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I think when you find

503
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 4: a dope but like she just and she fight through

504
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 4: it to be with you, like with you you when

505
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 4: you outside, you can see that clear as they like,

506
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 4: oh nah, that's that's special. And then I think the

507
00:23:53,920 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 4: foundation you know that friendship. You know that's an overused.

508
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 5: Just stated word right there, that's friendship.

509
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, like yo, Yo, that's my homie. Like that's not

510
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: just this title wife or whatever, like that's my girl.

511
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 4: Like I like, I like hanging out with my you

512
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like we laugh, we we do

513
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: everything together like that.

514
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 5: That and to have that as also obviously like your lover.

515
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 4: But then we're changing, so like the matriarch, like once

516
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 4: you start having children, and it's like I try to

517
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 4: tell these young casts, like yo, when you make that decision,

518
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 4: you should think, God forbid, if something happened to you,

519
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 4: is that the woman you want raising your kids? When

520
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 4: you think like that, it's your whole perspective. You talk

521
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 4: about rewiring you be like, oh yeah, yeah, that list

522
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 4: is real tiny, you know what I'm saying. And you

523
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 4: you know, I think we've been blessed, like you know,

524
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 4: both of us, you know what I mean?

525
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure we was Keisha was Keisha Keisha already

526
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: she was right. I was gonna say, what was it

527
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 3: about her? But now she wasn't in total.

528
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 4: She was a total, but they wasn't signed. So when

529
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 4: we were, she was aspiring tone.

530
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 5: We met like early, early, and it's like, yeah, you know.

531
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: You watch that now, but you watched her whole Oh yeah, yeah.

532
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: The evolution of that it was incredible because sometimes when

533
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: people have, especially celebrities date each other, I think the

534
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: reason that it doesn't work is because they see them

535
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: as this entity star and then and then sometimes that

536
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: this is a lot. But you two have rolled the

537
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: all the waves of all of.

538
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: That stuff together.

539
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

540
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 4: But again, that friendship, like we was, that was the homie.

541
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was watching obviously I was happy and

542
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 4: proud of her, but I'm like, oh man, you're about

543
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 4: to put that Gail in that weird jail you do,

544
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 4: I know the tricks, you know, but it was it

545
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 4: was just dope to see you know her own star,

546
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: you know, rise and more importantly like you her fulfill

547
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 4: her dreams and aspirations, you know, and just to be there,

548
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 4: you know, on the sidelines, rooting for it the whole time.

549
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: That's dope.

550
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: It's dope.

551
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: What about fatherhood? How have you guys managed that road?

552
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 4: That's it for me. It's I tell my kids all

553
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 4: the time. I'm like, look, I'm figuring this out just

554
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 4: like you are. You know my old Yeah, my oldest

555
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 4: is twenty six, like my middle twenty one. My son

556
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 4: is seventeen, and I'm like, this is weird.

557
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: Did your kids see this movie?

558
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, we did?

559
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: They know all of this already, because you're pretty honest

560
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: with your kids.

561
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: No, I'm super they didn't know, but then you know,

562
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: they know now they know. Basically, I'm trying not to

563
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: hide too much from they already go to you know,

564
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: private school, which is nothing wrong going to private school,

565
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 2: but I do try to inject a super reality space

566
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: on what it's like, you know, for us outside of

567
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: those school walls. I shared it with them, and you know,

568
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: and then with my oldest kid, like I have a

569
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: sixteen year old, So sometimes I spass out until them,

570
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: like when I was. I'll just say some you know,

571
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't.

572
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: Hate the kids hate when you say that, but some.

573
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: Of them don't know, Like damn you did. I'm like, whoa,

574
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: you know, it's like you're trying to out here, you know,

575
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: trick the trickster. You know what I'm saying. It's like,

576
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: but I love it. Man. I have two daughters, sixteen

577
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: about to be seventeen next week, so Heaven and my

578
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: mom born the same day. That's how stuff working in

579
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: my life. So Mama be seventy five, Heaven be seventeen.

580
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: She's good driving, she wants to go to Howard. If

581
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: that's what she wanted to do, We're gonna visit and

582
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: do that. She's a singer. And I have my middle

583
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: child going to the eighth and I have Halo who

584
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: was aspired to go to the league. He'll be ten

585
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: at the end of this year. And I'm just cool.

586
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying everything. It's hard to do to

587
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: balance both, you know what I'm saying. It's hard to

588
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: balance both, but I try. I try to do it

589
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: because I'm still wanting to be successful in my career

590
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: as well.

591
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: And I don't I don't think that's when you talk

592
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 4: about that balance. It is, but I don't think that's

593
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 4: relative to like what we do.

594
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 5: I think if.

595
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 4: Anything, you know, to work whatever you do and have family,

596
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: it's hard for anybody, you know what I'm saying.

597
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 5: And once you get to that point, because it's like.

598
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: Me and my wife talked about all the time, I'm like, yo, like,

599
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 4: once you have kids, you kind of like lose your girl,

600
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 4: like a part of.

601
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 5: Her, you know what I'm talking about.

602
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 4: You have to share her, you out of share and like,

603
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 4: so now we at the point, I'm like, yo, man,

604
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: youngest is seventeen, I want my girl back, like they

605
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 4: could take care of themselves.

606
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: Like like I'm keepha, I'm hunger too. You know, kids,

607
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: what y'all wants? You know what I'm saying. But already

608
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: I get it. You know what I'm saying. I get

609
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: I get it. I'm thankful. I'm thankful You're gonna.

610
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: Have second honeymoons once these kids out the house.

611
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, you know what's funny about kids

612
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 4: when you're talking about like you on your kids and

613
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 4: like the movie, it's funny because you could tell them

614
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 4: stories and they sound like mythology.

615
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: To them, Yeah, I could never understand.

616
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 4: It's like, nah, I really went through this, and it's like,

617
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: so they so detached from that, which is a beautiful thing.

618
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: I was looking for this because there is a line

619
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: in the movie where the kid is it's you. It's

620
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: on the phone with his father who was in prison,

621
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: and he says, a real man never depends on a woman,

622
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: not even his mama.

623
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: So that's that's that's what you is.

624
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: That a real line to your father.

625
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: Real line. And they used to irritate the mess out

626
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: of my mom. And you know, it's like you got

627
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: this old fashioned way of thinking and you know, or

628
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, it's just different phases

629
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: of life or whatever. But it was a time when

630
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: he would not be around. We would also tell me

631
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: that a woman can't raise a man, and would have

632
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: some type of personal validity of why he he felt

633
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: that way, and so it was very important to add

634
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: that because he was telling me that from you know,

635
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: a prison cell, so to say a woman, it's like, well,

636
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: she's doing a pretty good job. She's doing pretty she's

637
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: doing she's doing she's doing doing pretty good, you know,

638
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, you don't want to take

639
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: size and be like whatever. But that's that's that is

640
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: a hard position to be in. But yeah, that's that's

641
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: a very true statement that he made until he left

642
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: about men and raising men, raising men, so to speak.

643
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not just that, like you taking the role

644
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: of being the protector and like.

645
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: Almost like the man of the house. Now. Yeah, so

646
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: yeah that too. You know, get your pellet gun and

647
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: until you're able to get a real gun and just

648
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: be a protector and like, you know whatever. Ain't nobody

649
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: gonna touch your mom. You know, I was just one

650
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 2: of those guys. You know, if I don't like the boyfriend, man,

651
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: then you can't like the boyfriend. You know what I'm saying, Just.

652
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: With no cat when I'm not home.

653
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: I tell that to my son. I do too. You man,

654
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: we look at the girl, watch the girls the other two.

655
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: What you're doing?

656
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yo, you know how to move like when i'm

657
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 4: you know, I'm out working whatever, hold it down because

658
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: I think there's there's power in that, you know what

659
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: I mean, meaning like organic with the natural Yeah, you

660
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 4: can nat responsibilities.

661
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 5: How old is your son seventeen?

662
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: Seventeen?

663
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so yeah, seventeen well yeah, ready. Are you

664
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: a tough father? You are, aren't you?

665
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: Uh yeah?

666
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 5: Well with my boy yeah, my girls, I'm like, you know.

667
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: You can't do nothing with girls. I got you can

668
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: try to be tough. It's like, what do you mean

669
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: you can't do nothing with girls? What do you mean

670
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: you can't do nothing with My daughters are switched. They

671
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: are just like they own you. Yeah, they got me. Yeah.

672
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: I literally was like lit was arguing with my daughter

673
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: yesterday about eating and she said, well, I'm not hungry.

674
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: What do you want me to do? If I said

675
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: you only you ate, I said, you try to wait

676
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: till you starving to You shouldn't wait till you're starving

677
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: to eat. You know, Well, I'm going over with my

678
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: friends O dad like soushi and maybe like some fruit.

679
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: And I said, I'm tired of arguing about eating food.

680
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: And I just walked. I didn't even say I'm tired.

681
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: I just was like, you know, go ahead, you know

682
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But this is something I'm doing with

683
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: with with female with little girls when they're growing and

684
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: going through these emotions, like I can't have too much

685
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: machulent energy and have them shy away from me. I

686
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: liked when you know, my my daughter went to the prom.

687
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: She did something not like that, but she did something

688
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: that she knew. Man. She told me, you know what

689
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And I think that that's cool to have

690
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: that carent relationship. She she couldn't hide it because she

691
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: how she walked in the house, but she was able

692
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 2: to tell me, my mom, I mean, my daughter had

693
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 2: a couple of drinks.

694
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: You yeah, well I want that.

695
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: My wife was there, but my driver told me.

696
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: She wouldn't be the first and she would be the.

697
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: First, right, And so she told me like I had.

698
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: It was this she described it was some old private school.

699
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: Concuction.

700
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. School and we passed that.

701
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: So I'd like to have that relationship where we can

702
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: still talk and you don't think I'm about to I

703
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: agree with that.

704
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: You you don't never want your kids feeling like they

705
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 4: can't talk to you about whatever.

706
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: You know, So trying to find that balance to what's

707
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: the best parenting advice you've ever been given, whether you've

708
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: learned on your own.

709
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. That's a good question. That's it's a lot.

710
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: I got one. Yours one was.

711
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: Early.

712
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: I learned that sometimes it because I used to beat

713
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: myself up because I'm working. If I was late to

714
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: the basketball game, I would do all that. If I

715
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: was I would cry because I'd be Oh, it's hard,

716
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: it's hard, And I try to be there and I

717
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: try to balance my life like that. But there are

718
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: times you might never be able to do, or say

719
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: or teach, Like did I teach them that? Did I

720
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: tell them that? So you worry about all the things

721
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: that you might have forgotten.

722
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: To teach them.

723
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: But I learned early that they learn more from watching

724
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: you than they will ever learn from something you told them,

725
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: Like who you are as a person, how you carry yourself,

726
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: what like my standards are my things like that? I

727
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: feel like I always gave myself that grace to be Like, okay,

728
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: if you didn't do that exactly right, if you just

729
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: be the best your version at the very minimal, If

730
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: you be the best version of yourself and you give

731
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: that as an example to your child, that in itself

732
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: is good parenting.

733
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

734
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like that it freed me up a

735
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: little bit to not feel like I have to be

736
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: a perfect mom.

737
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: I explained, like I like learning stuff. I like that.

738
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm gonna take that with me, you will.

739
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: I like that because it's like, did I do it right?

740
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: But if you, like I guess, live by example and

741
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: by actions, then they learn, you know, consciously or subconsciously,

742
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: and you you know what I mean. So it's not

743
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: about like because I have a little boy, so I

744
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: want to give him all the game I can give him,

745
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. From what to do around women,

746
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: grown up police, all the basketball for whatever it is.

747
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So I think what you

748
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: said actually is like how you move, the standards that

749
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: you keep, like once they see how you move or

750
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: how their mom.

751
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: Moves because we can tell you know, I mean we

752
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: I know people tell me stuff. When I was a kid,

753
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: they was blue in the face not listening to that.

754
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: But I am influenced by people and my parents.

755
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, kids see everything, man, stuff you try

756
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: to have from them.

757
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: They exactly right.

758
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: You've been telling them, hey, listen, do it this way.

759
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: But meanwhile you living a different life.

760
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: Right.

761
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 5: That's deep what you said.

762
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: Me saying y'all y'all know nothing to be doing these drugs, right,

763
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: One thing I want to touch on before we get out.

764
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: I do have a soundtrack for Red Clay coming out

765
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: office the first that I need to talk about, and

766
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: then it's ultimately a mood board for Red Clay. It

767
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: makes sense, it's a mood board. It's it's nine songs total.

768
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: It's almost like, you know, it's the fun part of

769
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: the CREATI like, what do.

770
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: You want people to take away from the film, Like

771
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: what this project or the music, the film, just the

772
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: whole project.

773
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: What is your hope for how it lands.

774
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: In the world.

775
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: My hope is that it ultimately opens up somebody's ability

776
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: to express maybe some you know, trauma and heart troops.

777
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: I don't want to say heart troops. And for me,

778
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: it took thirty years to do this, literally thirty years,

779
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: ten albums, how many mixtapes, don't know how many interviews

780
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: to put it in a short film, to not still

781
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: not say it, just to like put it out there.

782
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: Did you talk about it in private? Like did people

783
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: know that about your life? So it's like a secret

784
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: that you held on to for all this year?

785
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Very huge, very very huge.

786
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: You feel freed now.

787
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: It's getting there, but I'm not there yet. I feel

788
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: I feel some tightnings ship right now, sick, I feel

789
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: some tight shit.

790
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, but sometimes when you hold something something

791
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: about you that's it's like you're not all the way free,

792
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: because it's always like hanging on your shoulder.

793
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe we say that and maybe you help

794
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 2: me with my elevator pitch. Maybe this could help free

795
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: some somebody and not like in a prison sense, but like, yeah,

796
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: taking the truth because you know, I think a lot

797
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: of us have been through childhood stuff that we may

798
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: have somewhat normalized because it was going on in our

799
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: four walls, right you get into the real world, you

800
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: start learning things, seeing things and realizing like, oh, you know,

801
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: maybe maybe because even like when I was going through

802
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: this stuff, I still was like I had a place

803
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: to stay. I still was like he I still was

804
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: going to school, Like my mom would sometimes have a

805
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 2: still have a job though she was, you know, dealing

806
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: with whatever she was dealing with. She you know what

807
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And you know, you just think I'm just

808
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: you know, you don't know. You don't know that you

809
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: in the house for a couple of days as eleven

810
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: twelve year old, you know, by yourself and like This

811
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: is not normal, you know what I'm saying. And this

812
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: is before phone, So I don't know where my mom is.

813
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: I just know she'll be back by Wednesday, you know

814
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, or something like that. She's not gonna

815
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: be going the whole week. You know what I'm saying.

816
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: She might go to weekend Wednesday. And then when I

817
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: get old enough to be like, man, I'm I'm tired

818
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: of you doing that. Like when I become a teenager,

819
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: my mom took me to all the places that she

820
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: would like be if I needed her, Like when I

821
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: got a certain age to be like so from like

822
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: maybe eleven to like fifteen, fifteen sixteen, I started being like, man,

823
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: you know where the fuck you be going? You know

824
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: what you be doing? And she felt the need because

825
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: she she kept trying to get it right. You know

826
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. She kept trying to get it right.

827
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: She took me to these places. I was just like, comet,

828
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: believe you be you know, I believe that she would

829
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 2: be in these places, you know.

830
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: You know it just it forced me to be wanted

831
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: to show you her truth. I guess at that.

832
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: Point, I'm like you, I couldn't believe you. And it's

833
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: not nowhere near my house. I just couldn't beleave this, like,

834
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: how do you meet these people? Whatever? But you know,

835
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: like I said, we're on the other side of the mind.

836
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: How did she get to the other side of that?

837
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: Because a lot of people don't make it.

838
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know. My mom stopped smoking cigarettes. My

839
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 2: mom don't be for portant no more. She get off

840
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: the I don't know how she got off the she said,

841
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: I don't have to That's another thing. I'm gonna have

842
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: to ask what I have to figure it out? Yeah,

843
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: you know, it just it, but it happened. I don't

844
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 2: know if she went through something. We have to talk

845
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: about that.

846
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: This might open up some conversations for you and your mom.

847
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: Is she looking at me now? You see me looking down?

848
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 2: I was. I was there. I just don't know why

849
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: or how.

850
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine that gives you some and pride

851
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: that part of it. She was able to, Oh, yeah, man,

852
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: turn into the person.

853
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: Now my mom be at all my restaurants and my clubs,

854
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: with all my aunts hanging out, and it's just you know,

855
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: I had I did the video with the Osley Brothers

856
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: in the hood and I said, I knew I was

857
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: gonna do the video, but I said, I can't tell

858
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: my mom too early because she'll have it's gonna be

859
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: so many people. It's like three am the day of

860
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: the video. I text her say, man, I got run Aley,

861
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 2: y'all come through. You known at three am? Videos start

862
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: ten eleven o'clock. My mama pull up. Man, it looked

863
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: like you know how you know how I look when

864
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: clown was getting out the car, they didn't never stop.

865
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: I like, how many people are in this black truck.

866
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: It's just like I just kept seeing hands. As soon

867
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: as I seen my I say, come on, let's get

868
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: this picture. Hey, mister Ron, my mama wanted to meet you,

869
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 2: so you know those are like she.

870
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: Must be really proud of you.

871
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think she is. I would be, you

872
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: would be. I would.

873
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're too, because your relationship with your mother

874
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: you were real.

875
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: He's been popping though, he's been popping, popping.

876
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 3: It's so crazy. As we were sitting here talking just now,

877
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: just when where we.

878
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: Are and the times, and I just started going down

879
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: like how many films and yeah, how long you've been.

880
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: Doing been making people proud? Because you know when you

881
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: get on TV. People that are not on TV, they

882
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: they can't even five minute they thank you, like are

883
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: in the TV, Like right right right now, you getting

884
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: there cook Like you know what I'm saying. So you're

885
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: doing it at high level very early. That has to

886
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: create that, you know. For me, it's like I remember,

887
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: I remember that, just like being an a Ludicris video

888
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: and people like actually, when I read some of those

889
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: letters from my dad, he was in prison, he telling me, well,

890
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: I just seen you in the video. He like, but

891
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: they came, he said, some of the guys came and

892
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: got me and I saw you in this video. Man,

893
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 2: So that was good. You know. I was making it then,

894
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: not even saying it, just like getting a cameo. So

895
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: it just it's levels, you know what I'm saying obviously,

896
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: but right now you know she's she's you know, smiling.

897
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 2: You go find some good food after this. Mama her

898
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: birthday next week, I was like, man, I gotta do

899
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: something for She wanted to go to LA with twenty

900
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: folks and oh, Mama, listen.

901
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: She gonna pull up in that call that same car.

902
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: In real life before we go.

903
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: I have a little in real life questions that we

904
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: ask everybody in real life.

905
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: What do you pray for most?

906
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: I pray every day all day into like strength, wisdom,

907
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: you know, staying fearless, being able to bless others. Definitely family,

908
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: I pray for each one I pray for, I wrap,

909
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: I pray for, I do everything for. I eat, I

910
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: pray for, I sleep, I pray for I do almost

911
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: everything and everything. But I am They're definitely faith driven,

912
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: and I feel like it works for me. And I

913
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: don't try to like hide it, like I'd be sitting

914
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 2: at a table full of people. I just start praying.

915
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: I ain't you know what I'm saying. I ain't even embarrassed.

916
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: My kid looked, they be running all their friends, look

917
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: like she blessed your food.

918
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: You know.

919
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: That's just what I'm on.

920
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: That's what is that how you're raised or you developed?

921
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, my dad was he and we talked about that.

922
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: I actually got a a book coming out March. I

923
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: want to say, and I just but but but my

924
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: day used to write a chapter. The name of the

925
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: book is the Voice in your Head is God Right?

926
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: And we can get it'll behold. But it's a chapter

927
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 2: called God is Love that like, oh, Mark, I didn't

928
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: realize what that he used to write it on the

929
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: back of you know, all these letters. So like I

930
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: found these letters from like oh three and I'm reading them,

931
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: and all of them got God is Love on them.

932
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: But it's like I'm looking and I'm putting, I'm putting

933
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: an equal sign what it is at right now? You

934
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying, and and I'm saying he's saying God.

935
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: It's like the same like if it ain't loved, then

936
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: it came. But I'm just figuring this out though, like

937
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 2: five years, the last five years, so it's some paper

938
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: trailers and some lessons that has been left for me

939
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: to like. But I just I was just God is love.

940
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: He used to say it all the time, and I

941
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: was like, okay, okay, But now I kind of get it,

942
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: Like if you own some hate, like you ain't got

943
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: the gut that ain't you know what I'm saying. I

944
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: got I'm starting to get it, but I'm still starting

945
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: to get it. That's why I'm like, like, you gotta

946
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: mean this, so.

947
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you what do you pray for most?

948
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can say most, but you know,

949
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 4: obviously family and uh, but much of the same, you know, wisdom, patience, strength, happiness.

950
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 5: I pray for laughter, you know what I mean?

951
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 3: I love laughter?

952
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like the understanding.

953
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: What are your real life pet peeves or triggers.

954
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: I don't like drunk people yelling two chains in my face.

955
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: That's real. It's problematic and very.

956
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: Specific and very like stop that question the way.

957
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't like that.

958
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: You do like this, Let me get a pick and

959
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: I say, yes, I can get a pick, and I

960
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: say yes, like, do you mind if I get picked?

961
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: And I say, you know, I said yes. You know

962
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it's it's that I think I

963
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: just first of all, I drink, but I'm not like

964
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: a drinker. You know what I'm saying to I.

965
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: Don't realize how many things we had.

966
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 2: Yeah weed in I like a cop, Yeah yeah yeah,

967
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: but I'm not you never you know, they're gonna have

968
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: to tell me anywhere, I'm not gonna be throwing up.

969
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 2: So when people get like that, and don't I hate

970
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: it none, You're right, I don't like it.

971
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: I don't like it.

972
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't like and I don't like when people something

973
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: happens to people's eyes and they start getting out of character,

974
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: even friends and people. Like when I see that shift

975
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: when people have drank too much and they get out

976
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: of character, I almost want to.

977
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: Relieve myself from the situation. I don't like it. I

978
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: don't like it.

979
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: And look, look, I like to get hot, you know whatever.

980
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But I'm not like, I'm

981
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: not like to the point where I'm not myself. Let

982
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: me say that.

983
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it. You gotta pet peeple over there.

984
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: You're thinking about it.

985
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 5: I got a lot of Pete's crazy.

986
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: What do you mean, Oh, it's crazy. Oh. I was like, Yo,

987
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna be in your city now. I know you

988
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: can see this is he he's we're here. You know

989
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yes, man, I don't mess with none

990
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 2: of y'all. I don't like none of y'all.

991
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 5: Be on a little. I think one of my pet

992
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 5: piece is this organization. I'm a clean freak.

993
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 4: You are, yeah, And I'm in functions like all of that,

994
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: like or synchronicity.

995
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 5: It's a it's an energy thing.

996
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: You a little OCD.

997
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 5: Maybe that's what I said.

998
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, it sounds like it.

999
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: Sounds like it.

1000
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 3: What is real life.

1001
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: Last piece of great advice, someone that's given you, think

1002
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: of anything.

1003
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: Last piece of advice I got was at a Colorado

1004
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: football game. It was that last game with Sure Door

1005
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: and Travis and Coach Brown was he wasn't talking to me,

1006
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: he was actually talking to the team. But I like

1007
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: to learn in every situation. Like I said earlier, and

1008
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: he said, the strongest person in the room is not

1009
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: the person that could live the most weight. It's the

1010
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: person that knows when it's time to walk away. And

1011
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: I thought that was so much. I thought it was

1012
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: so much game.

1013
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.

1014
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: That is pretty good.

1015
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: They're gonna follow that up.

1016
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm not We're gonna take that. I'm gonna walk away.

1017
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: You heard from him? Who heard it from somebody else?

1018
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: What about a regret, any regret, a real life regret

1019
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: in life that you've had that you would I mean,

1020
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: this might take you back to your film that you

1021
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: don't want to tell anybody what you talk about mobout.

1022
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if that let get this.

1023
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 5: I think, I mean, who doesn't have regrets? Right?

1024
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 4: I think the older I get I regret not smelling

1025
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 4: the roses as much.

1026
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 5: As I could have been. Yeah, as much as I

1027
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 5: could have.

1028
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: Like I was just I can only imagine the rooms,

1029
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: the circumstances, the things that you have seen in your career.

1030
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I didn't really realize that. And again I

1031
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 5: was wow young. You know.

1032
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 4: I did my first film when I was my son's age,

1033
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 4: which is what seventeen. Wow, And that was when I

1034
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 4: did Juice. You were seventeen seventeen, you.

1035
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: Landed the role, or when you're shooting, shooting.

1036
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 5: When it came out and all of that.

1037
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: So that's crazy.

1038
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 4: That is crazy When you ask questions just now, I'm like, yeah,

1039
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 4: I didn't. You know, there's just so many moments I

1040
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 4: wish I would have taken it in, you know.

1041
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 5: But then it's that's not what was meant. I guess

1042
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Because I was just so young,

1043
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 5: it was like this just happened, you know.

1044
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 3: All of sudden life changes. People are gone.

1045
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went down a rabbit hole today because we

1046
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: don't know where we're filmed. This is not normally where

1047
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: we filmed. Our place was not available today and we

1048
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: came here. Luckily they allowed us to come and up.

1049
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: I work here a lot. I was just telling my

1050
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: mom what this was, right, I have.

1051
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: I don't come here a lot, but I have been

1052
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: here a couple of times. But when I walked in today,

1053
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: it was like I felt, it felt weird, like I.

1054
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 5: Felt when we got on the joint. We walked in.

1055
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I don't like the elevators in New York period.

1056
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: Definitely don't like this.

1057
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 5: But it's just for you.

1058
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: I went.

1059
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: It brought up of a time, came back to with

1060
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: like you could smell the air.

1061
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: That's how this, Oh I felt. I had that feeling

1062
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: today too. I know exactly what.

1063
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: You mean with the point that you just said, Man,

1064
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: there's so many people that's no longer with us.

1065
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: When I got in the elevator, we're by the way,

1066
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: we're at Quad Studios, this was yeah, people should know.

1067
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is obviously where Park was shot.

1068
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: Five times, five times and he thought he set him up.

1069
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: Yes, this has led up to the whole thing.

1070
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: But some thing about the details of that story I

1071
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: have always sat with me and I don't know when

1072
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: we got in the Even to Brittany, I said, we

1073
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: got in the elevator today and I just kept my

1074
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: head down in the elevator. I don't like I don't

1075
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to look around the elevator. I don't

1076
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to.

1077
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: I don't even want that to come up, you know

1078
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Just sat So I just go in

1079
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 3: the elevator like this till we get upstairs.

1080
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: And it's been so many years, but walking in here

1081
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: it still had that visceral effect on me. It took

1082
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: me like a little while to like I had to

1083
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: eat a sandwich and Jill and have some water and

1084
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: talk and talk to Finally like I got the energy,

1085
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: loosen them, get the energy off me a little bit.

1086
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: I could only imagine for you when you walked in,

1087
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe this probably wasn't the best location.

1088
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: So it's here.

1089
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Speaker 5: It's all love.

1090
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 4: It's just one of those things you just appreciate, you know,

1091
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: the now, but also then you know so a lot

1092
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: of history and when people talk about this, this thing

1093
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 4: about the culture, right, it's like, yo, this is that shifted,

1094
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 4: that forever shifted.

1095
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 5: It altered the course of a cold Yes, you know

1096
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 5: what I mean.

1097
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: Who would know at that young age that that would.

1098
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 5: Be none of us were just living.

1099
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: I just did interview today and they were like, did

1100
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: you could you imagine, like how influential those artists back then,

1101
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: because you know, I started on the radio one that

1102
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: was all happening, and Jay starting his career, and I

1103
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: was running around with all that's going on, and you

1104
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: never really could imagine. You can never imagine where it

1105
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: was going to land.

1106
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, thank you, so many, so many archives

1107
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: with you in the middle of his career.

1108
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: I got a lot of archives, but with in techy

1109
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 4: thank you along the way.

1110
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1111
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 5: That's the appreciation that we have business.

1112
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: For you have no idea. One day, I'll tell my

1113
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: story when you're ready, Omar. You know what I mean,

1114
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: y'all get we could collaborate all that, but there's many

1115
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: stories to tell.

1116
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 3: But what what what for you at that What do

1117
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: you tell that kid, seventeen year old Omar in that time,

1118
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: what do you think he needed to hear smell the roses, smell.

1119
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 5: Of roses and.

1120
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: Enjoy it, you know, enjoy it, you know, and stay.

1121
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 4: You know I was always focused, but I would just

1122
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 4: say enjoy it.

1123
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 5: It will be more like, you know, I'm still on

1124
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 5: my mission.

1125
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: I'm still.

1126
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 5: Michael from Good Times. I'm a little militant.

1127
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: Walk you know, Black.

1128
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: Power to I'm supporting them, but I'd be like, oh,

1129
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: this is God. Even in the doing, the feeling like

1130
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 2: oh please stop, what was he doing? He just he's

1131
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: just like if he's just somebody that believes and the

1132
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: you know, the black experience and with that black and brown, Yeah,

1133
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: you know what that should be like and feel like.

1134
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: And if you have to tie up your boot straps,

1135
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: then he's a militant little He's a militant little fucker, right,

1136
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: I tell you he's a militant you know what it is.

1137
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 5: I'm upholding the standard that was passed on to me.

1138
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you have done well?

1139
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: Or do you feel like because you always say like

1140
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: you have so much, you still have so much to do.

1141
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: You were saying that before, like do you ever like

1142
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: just assess that already you have done enough or that

1143
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: you have not enough?

1144
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 5: But I feel like I've done well.

1145
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1146
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 4: But what I say is more to do. I'm not

1147
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 4: necessarily talking about I mean in life, like I don't

1148
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 4: know if it's going to be in this space right

1149
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 4: on film. It's not necessarily just that, you know what

1150
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 4: I mean, It's just more things to do as a

1151
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 4: human because at the end of the day, if you

1152
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 4: look it up out from where we come from.

1153
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 5: On paper, neither one of us is supposed to be

1154
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,959
Speaker 5: sitting here living this life. We are.

1155
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: What is the key to doing it well?

1156
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: Though?

1157
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: Because you've done it well for so long.

1158
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 5: I think it's it's interesting. It's part of that is

1159
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 5: kind of.

1160
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 4: Like what you said, you never you always open to learning,

1161
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 4: you know, always open to learning and holding at least

1162
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 4: the standard has to be in your mind, you know

1163
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So when we hear these stories like

1164
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 4: in basketball and be like Yo, Covid used to go

1165
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 4: to the gym after the game, after the win and

1166
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 4: put up a thousand, you know, free throws, like for

1167
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 4: what we won.

1168
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 5: That's a standard, you know what I mean? That he held

1169
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 5: himself to God blessed.

1170
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 4: But I think we all have those capabilities and whatever

1171
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 4: that thing is that you do.

1172
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: You got to be self motivated. You can't down motivation. Motivation,

1173
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: You got to be able to find you got to

1174
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: better put yourself in the gym. You got bet want

1175
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: to eat right, you got bad, want to take care

1176
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: of yourself and your family. It's so easy, man, your mind.

1177
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: Have you in the bed all all day, if that's

1178
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: what it is, but you got to find that self motivation.

1179
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: And if it is scrolling Instagram looking at somebody in

1180
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: his case, looking at somebody that got a role. In

1181
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: my case, looking at somebody that everybody on they dick

1182
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: because they supposed to be good. But you know, the

1183
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: music is so whatever. It is like whatever I find

1184
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: my more, but I can. I can definitely motivate myself.

1185
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: You find the inspiration, I'm gonna do it.

1186
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it.

1187
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: You're motivated guy to everybody, discipline.

1188
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: Got to very disciplined, very disciplined.

1189
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: That is a piece of the puzzle that people forget. Talent, gifts, uh, blessings,

1190
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: all that's cool, but.

1191
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 2: It's the discipline is almost a common denominated to all

1192
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: of those things. You know, we got to have that

1193
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: in there.

1194
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was told that young That's one of the

1195
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 4: piece of advice that I took with me at a

1196
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 4: young age. I told I was told it's talent is

1197
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 4: ten percent of the equation. Discipline isn't ninety percent. And

1198
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 4: that's just across the board.

1199
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: What are your legacies both of your real life, Like

1200
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: what do you hope people take and learn from your life?

1201
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: We're all here to like.

1202
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: Go oh, so I can piggyback off whatever you come on.

1203
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: Man, you just made a movie about your life. The

1204
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: most vulnerable time in your life is you haven't. You

1205
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: have never shared this your whole career, all the ups

1206
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: and downs in the whole journey of your career. You

1207
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: have held this part of your life secret. And now

1208
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: you're You've opened up to share that. That's gotta There's

1209
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: got to be something about that that you want people

1210
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: to to learn something from.

1211
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 3: Has to be. You wouldn't do that for just because.

1212
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 2: Right, not just because it's purpose purpose feel it's purpose driven.

1213
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: I think my legacy would be maybe going back to

1214
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: being transparent. Like one of my legacies is being myself

1215
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: very comfortable, and it's hard to do that with is

1216
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: this No, it's way more followers than leaders. But I

1217
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: just think I have become the guy that is not

1218
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: just saying it, but through actions and very comfortable in

1219
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: my own skin. And so my legacy would be, I

1220
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: guess about truly truly being yourself and then that leading

1221
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: to everything else you know and everybody, So you know

1222
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: you can't be this this person's taking. I'm like, if

1223
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: you really like living, you're troop and your I think

1224
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: everything else kind of comes from that. So that's what

1225
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: I kind of been on. I've been on some like

1226
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just happy, I'm me, you know, and

1227
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: somebody going to always be doing better, but it's going

1228
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: to be somebody not doing as well as you. So

1229
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: if you can kind.

1230
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 3: Of find your place, you know what I'm saying.

1231
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: That's why I'm with it. I'm not content at all.

1232
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: Like man, I don't believe in glass ceilings. I still

1233
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: feel like I can grow, you know, even at my age,

1234
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 2: I still feel like I can, you know, tour whatever

1235
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: it is, you know, move, whatever it is. But I'm

1236
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: just excited about life. And I think my legacy I

1237
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 2: want to leave is about, you know, living in your

1238
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: truth and being yourself times ten mm hmm.

1239
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 4: For me, I don't think at the end of the day,

1240
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 4: you know, I would hope to be a great servant

1241
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 4: of God, you know, because when I think about things

1242
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 4: like legacy and these words get thrown around, I think

1243
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 4: the people determine that ultimately right, and so in that regard,

1244
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 4: what I strive to be is a great servant of

1245
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 4: the most High, you know, in all capacities and like

1246
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 4: let the chips.

1247
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 5: Forward what they may with the rest of it.

1248
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, We'll keep doing great work

1249
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: because that's that's pretty inspiring.

1250
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: Too, by the way.

1251
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: You yeah, so everybody should see the movie. Anything you

1252
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: want to tell them about the movie, the soundtrack, anything

1253
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: before we.

1254
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 2: Run a reminder, Red Lay soundtrack drops eight one. It's

1255
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 2: the mood board for the actual shortthand right now, can't.

1256
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: Wait till this gets picked up and put out so

1257
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: we can have an elaboration.

1258
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: You know, but you know it's gonna happen, Like I

1259
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: can't well, you know this is gonna happen. It's inevitable.

1260
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,479
Speaker 2: But right now Red Clay is on a festival run,

1261
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: so like I can't like put it on YouTube for

1262
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: you guys yet, Like we're doing festivals and actively actively

1263
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: believe it or not, trying to get nominated for Oscars

1264
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: and everything to finding. Yeah, yeah, you know, we're taking

1265
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: it up, but not like we We already received a

1266
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 2: few awards for our director, Christian for best out of

1267
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: This Out of the Denver series. It was called Series

1268
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: Fest for series. We took home to awards for Best

1269
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: Actor and Best Director. So I ain't playing with these folks.

1270
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 3: What was that.

1271
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: Me?

1272
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 3: You? Oh, did you call somebody or Siri? It sounds

1273
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 3: like she said something about an award. I'm gonna be honest,

1274
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 3: I need that award.

1275
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 2: I was saying, we got an award, but we got

1276
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: we got receive the awards so far, so right now,

1277
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: that's what it's like on a festival run, so to speak.

1278
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: So a lot of my friends and even family that

1279
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: hadn't made it to some of the festivals to see

1280
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 2: the film have been asking me how can they see

1281
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 2: the film? And all I can say right now is

1282
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,479
Speaker 2: just be a little bit patient with me. We're gonna

1283
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: go wide soon, but right now, we have to go

1284
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: through the proper channels so we can get the proper

1285
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: nominations or even get considered for certain things. So I'm

1286
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: just trying to.

1287
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: Go through the process. Yeah, I love that for your

1288
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: congratulations on my abs to change in real life, everybody

1289
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: whom