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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 3: Thursday edition of The Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Shows

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Speaker 3: starts right now. We got aliens, indictments, and constitutional crises,

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Speaker 3: oh my lot.

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Speaker 2: We are going to cover over the course of today.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate all the feedback on it. Turns out, Clay, people

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Speaker 3: get fired up about dogs in terms of response, but

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Speaker 3: UFOs even more so when we look at our inbox

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Speaker 3: for our VIPs and in other ways people are content.

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Speaker 1: Does everyone still hate you for being so anti alien?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Some people appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Live in reality, and don't you say things that people

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Speaker 3: are saying because they're saying them, Clay, there's a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a little bit of team Buck love in

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Speaker 3: the Yeah, little Green Men were not recovered from a spaceship.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying the people have spoken. It's about a

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Speaker 3: fifty to fifty proposition. So the thing is, yesterday we

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Speaker 3: were getting people called in who had actually been abducted.

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Speaker 3: So that's why they're obviously good to people on the air. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're obviously going to be on team Clay.

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Speaker 4: They're like, I totally agree with Clay I had myself

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Speaker 4: was kidnapped by aliens. Anyway, we actually have very well,

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Speaker 4: have great guests coming up today. We'll have some fun

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Speaker 4: with the UFO stuff later. Uh, but we have South

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Speaker 4: Carolina Representative Nancy Mace with us. That'll be the second hour,

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Speaker 4: third hour. Ohio Senator jd Vance and Senator Tubberville will

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Speaker 4: be with us to discuss some things in the realm

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Speaker 4: of well news of the day, but also the sports.

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Speaker 4: So he is he is Alabama, not Auburn, right, just so, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: I messed this one.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's from the state of Alabama, but remarkably

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Speaker 1: as an Auburn former head coach, he was elected to

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Speaker 1: the Senate. So Alabama is is the dominant force of athletics, but.

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Speaker 2: Also good as a big yeah big, this is good.

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Speaker 3: I mean a few million people heard the mistake, but

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Speaker 3: at least the Senator will not hear me get the

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Speaker 3: school wrong. And I'm not going to be yelling roll

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Speaker 3: tied to him during the interview. Okay, we've got that

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Speaker 3: coming up. So we've got three guests. We're racked and stack.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, the biggest news of the day right now,

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Speaker 3: it's blaring across Fox News. It's it's all over the place.

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Speaker 3: We knew it was coming. It is happening, just a

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Speaker 3: question of what hour it finally comes down. Trump lawyers

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Speaker 3: meet with special counsel today ahead of a likely indictment

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Speaker 3: relating to January sixth. Now, let's just get into some

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Speaker 3: of these details and we'll get into the analysis momentarily. So,

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Speaker 3: lawyers from president for President Trump met with special counsel

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Speaker 3: has in DC today already, and this is clearly to

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Speaker 3: tell them this is what's happening.

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Speaker 2: It is coming.

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Speaker 3: The federal grand jury is also meeting today at a

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Speaker 3: like now we remember that we've already had one of these, right,

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Speaker 3: that seems to be the same schedule that we're going

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Speaker 3: to see here. It may come down today while we

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Speaker 3: super speed and make sure that we break down all

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Speaker 3: the elements of it. But Clay, I do think there's

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Speaker 3: a moment of just step back and look at this.

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Speaker 3: So Trump is number one in the polls for the

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Speaker 3: a just to review for everybody, a criminal indictment that

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Speaker 2: The imminent January sixth.

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Speaker 3: Charges, which we it's happening folks, right. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: no special counsel is not going to be like, you

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Speaker 2: This is crazy.

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Speaker 1: living in such unprecedented times that the President of the

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Speaker 1: And they are desperately, they are desperately attempting to lock

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Speaker 2: We know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember off the top of my head, Buck

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Speaker 1: the official starting date in New York City, but that

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Speaker 1: and it seems to me, Buck like there may be

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Speaker 2: In the sun.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be the battle, right right, Buck.

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Speaker 1: The battle is going to be can they get in DC,

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Speaker 1: what the Democrats want. They've got it now in South Florida.

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Speaker 1: I actually think I talked to with DeSantis about this

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Speaker 1: I think he said he won the jurisdiction that Trump

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Speaker 2: And I think it's.

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Speaker 3: Pretty clear at this point that what you have is

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Speaker 3: these are politicized indictments of Trump and that this is being.

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Speaker 2: Done for me.

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Speaker 3: I think everyone knows that, right. But what I'm saying

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Speaker 3: the document an obstruction. You know, it's it's kind of

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Speaker 1: Be I don't think he'll get convicted. This is me

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Speaker 3: I think you could have a hung jury. I think

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Speaker 3: that's possible to try to make it happen. Yeah, then

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Speaker 3: that could happen. But you might also get but I

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Speaker 3: do not see a conviction in South Florida, even though

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Speaker 3: you know, there's a little more on the document thing,

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying the January sixth charges, we haven't seen

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Speaker 2: They're likely to be really political.

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Speaker 3: Charges masquerading entirely as criminal charges. You know, conspiracy of

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Speaker 3: or conspiracy to overturn an election because he wanted to

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Speaker 3: challenge results in different places. They went to court, they

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Speaker 3: went through processes. But to your point, he's going to

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Speaker 3: have a far more antagonistic jury pool and probably, let's

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Speaker 3: be honest, the worst jury pool in America for Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump most likely is Washington, DC. I mean, just based

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Speaker 3: on political affiliation. Okay, you could argue maybe San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they buck. It'll be interesting on this timing,

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Speaker 1: The actual most perilous of the allegations from a criminal

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Speaker 2: take a moment.

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Speaker 3: The Democrats have effectively already set up a system. They've

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is he's going to have to spend

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Speaker 3: no way around that. The process is the punishment. It's

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Speaker 3: very hard to look at this as anything other than,

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Speaker 3: Republicans in twenty twenty four, or at least an effort

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Speaker 3: to And you know, we've had all this stuff Clay

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Speaker 3: about they didn't accept Hillary's loss in twenty sixteen, and

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Speaker 3: then they say, well, Trump didn't accept his loss in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty. But then Biden comes in as supposed to

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Speaker 3: given all this legal stuff, if he loses is very small.

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Speaker 2: Immunity from a future.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. I believe

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Speaker 1: we have Congresswoman Nancy Mace with us right now to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump just posted on truth social We've been talking

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Speaker 1: My attorneys had a productive meeting with the DOJ this morning,

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Speaker 1: that just came down from Donald Trump. I know you

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Speaker 6: Well, it's not good for the nation. It's not good

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Speaker 1: All right, you went viral yesterday for a question that

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Speaker 1: Clay, I thought when you came on that the audience

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Speaker 3: Can I be Clay even ran a poll it was

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Speaker 6: On everybody's side on this one. But I have to

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Speaker 2: Can I can I ask you Congressman?

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Speaker 3: Also, are there documents because this is you know, this

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Speaker 6: I have not seen any yet, but once I get

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Speaker 6: more discussion, more investigation whether that, and hopefully that would

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Speaker 6: be in a public setting, but I would even take

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Speaker 6: information in the private setting to better understand what is

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Speaker 6: actually and truly really going on.

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Speaker 1: All right, couple of things here. One, My wife has

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Speaker 1: just wag in, so I'm gonna read her text message Buck.

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Speaker 1: How are we so sure aliens haven't landed in other countries?

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Speaker 1: Maybe those other countries just have never revealed that information,

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Speaker 1: or maybe it's like the scrolls and they're already living

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Speaker 1: among us. So at least she's on my side here,

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Speaker 1: all right, Just give Laura Travis credit. And this also

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Speaker 1: brings Congresswoman. You went viral yesterday. I bet this combo

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Speaker 1: has never happened. You went viral yesterday for asking whether

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Speaker 1: aliens had ever been pulled out of crash spacecraft. You

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Speaker 1: now have gone viral for saying that you went to

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Speaker 1: a prayer breakfast this morning instead of having sex with

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Speaker 1: your partner, which was the more unexpected one to go

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Speaker 1: viral in back.

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Speaker 2: To back days.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't. I can't write this like I can't.

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Speaker 6: It's wild to me, I couldn't curse at the Prayer

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Speaker 6: Back Breakfast, so I had a very very personal story.

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Speaker 6: Everyone knew that it was a joke and it was

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Speaker 6: hilarious and we were all in stitches. Some people were

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Speaker 6: in tears they were laughing so hard. But it's real.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there is technically sex in the Bible, but

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Speaker 6: it is real and it's funny. And I think what's

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Speaker 6: lacking in politics today is people. They're so over rehearsed,

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Speaker 6: they're so practiced and what people expect them to say

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Speaker 6: and what people want to hear, but they aren't really

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Speaker 6: honest about their lives. And I don't live a perfect life.

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Speaker 6: I've got a church because I'm a sinner or not

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Speaker 6: because I'm a saint, and I'm very open with people

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Speaker 6: about the experiences that i have. And we all had

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Speaker 6: a very good laugh, even Tim Scott, he took it

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Speaker 6: and stride. My pastor was there and I'll see him

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Speaker 6: in church on Sunday begging for for giveness. But we

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Speaker 6: had a great time and love the prayer breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Are you sometimes surprised by what goes viral?

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Speaker 6: I am, And for me, it's not like I'm not

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Speaker 6: like I'm not taking boards into a hearing, showing nudes

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Speaker 6: of the President's son, like I'm not purposely doing anything

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Speaker 6: that is intentional, Like I'm just being me. I'm just

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Speaker 6: being myself because I think people appreciate the honesty, the vulnerability,

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Speaker 6: the authenticity, and it does surprise me when we do

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Speaker 6: things that are just very human, very normal, but it

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Speaker 6: just is so abnormal in today's world that it goes

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Speaker 6: thing goes viral. It's kind of it is funny to me.

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Speaker 3: Congressman Mace, appreciate you weighing in and letting everybody know

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Speaker 3: that you are still skeptical of little green men being

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Speaker 3: pulled out of a spaceship. Like I am great to

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Speaker 3: have you on the program. We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: All Right, she's.

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Speaker 1: Great, I really, I mean, we've had her on the

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Speaker 1: show a couple of times, Buck, and it's amazing how

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Speaker 1: many people can have normal conversations in politics, and how

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Speaker 1: many people just sound like robots. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's they're so terrified the programming. I do think she's

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Speaker 1: right about there being a desperate craving for authenticity and

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Speaker 1: and so many of our politicians, frankly cannot deliver on

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Speaker 1: just being authentic, which reminds me like remember Mitt Romney,

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Speaker 1: the top. How inauthentic that could be when you're just

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. Sir Tommy Tumperrowll of the Great State of Alabama,

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Speaker 1: we got a lot to dive into with him. Let's

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Speaker 1: start off right here off the top, Senator. When you

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Speaker 1: look at all of the revelations that continue to come

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Speaker 1: out surrounding Joe Biden, I know that whether or not

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Speaker 1: impeachment should exist as a house decision in the first place.

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Speaker 1: But have you ever seen anything like the allegations of

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Speaker 1: criminal behavior that we've seen from the Biden family in

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Speaker 1: the last several months.

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Speaker 7: Well, I have not not in my lifetime, and it

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Speaker 7: continues to get worse. Clay, It's it's just amazing it's

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Speaker 7: been hidden. You know, the mainstream media has done this

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Speaker 7: dark Country. This should have been out a long time ago.

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Speaker 7: You know, the laptop came out. Of course they hid

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Speaker 7: that just for the election. But I hate the country

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Speaker 7: is getting ready to have to go through something that

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Speaker 7: we shouldn't have to go through. You know, the leaders

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Speaker 7: at the top should be crystal clear in terms of

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Speaker 7: what they've done, how they've done. It should be vetted

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Speaker 7: thoroughly before, especially when you've run for senator or Congress

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Speaker 7: or president of the United States. And there was a

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Speaker 7: lot of cover up. And it's just sad for our country.

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Speaker 7: It's sad for you know where our media stands as

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Speaker 7: we speak. And again we're getting ready to go through

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Speaker 7: something that is unprecedented in this country, and unfortunately it's

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Speaker 7: gonna have to be done.

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Speaker 3: Senator Trover will appreciate you being with us. What do

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Speaker 3: you think I think is the proper response. Obviously you

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Speaker 3: don't have a majority in the Senate, so Senate power

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Speaker 3: can't help very much. But this Trump indictment, I know

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Speaker 3: as we speak, you haven't seen it yet, you don't

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Speaker 3: know exactly what's in it, but it's coming. We all

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Speaker 3: know that. What do you think about the fact that

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Speaker 3: we have a president who are I'm sorry, a presidential

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Speaker 3: candidate and leading presidential candidate right now, who's facing multiple

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Speaker 3: criminal indictments in an election year.

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Speaker 7: Well, they've been after him for six seven years and

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Speaker 7: most of it has not stuck whatsoever. I'm a big

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Speaker 7: Trump fan. I'm a believer even more since I've been

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Speaker 7: here for two and a half years. We have to

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Speaker 7: have somebody in the White House that believes in our country. Basically,

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Speaker 7: what we've gotten now, guys, is we've got America versus

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Speaker 7: anti Americans. And it is just it's gotten simply to

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Speaker 7: that point. It's just true vanilla. It's people that want

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Speaker 7: to change this country. President Trump will be probably beingdicted

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Speaker 7: maybe one, two or three more times. They cannot have

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Speaker 7: him run and win because he threw a wrench into

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Speaker 7: their engine last time when he beat Hillary Clinton, and

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Speaker 7: they were just going to continue on with Barack Obama's

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Speaker 7: complete socialist agendas.

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Speaker 6: So it is.

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Speaker 7: Again, it's just I hate it for our country. We're

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Speaker 7: dead broke, with thirty two tree in in debt. We've

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Speaker 7: got the animals running a zoo up here. Now, we've

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Speaker 7: got some good people, I will say that, but we

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Speaker 7: also got a lot of people that want to completely

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Speaker 7: change this country from what it is to something else.

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Speaker 7: They don't want to go by the constitution. They lie

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Speaker 7: every time they open their mouth. Now, this is some people,

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Speaker 7: and they continue to attack people that love this country.

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Speaker 7: They attack me every day, But I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I ran for this knowing that I expected

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Speaker 7: to be attacked. But the American people don't deserve this,

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Speaker 7: and it's just something that unfortunately we've got to go

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Speaker 7: through it. But we've got to get this country back

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Speaker 7: on the right track. We're off the rails as we speak,

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Speaker 7: and we've got huge problems being broke. We're on the

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Speaker 7: cusp of a major World War three, and then if

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Speaker 7: you just look at the things going within our country,

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Speaker 7: we don't have control. There's no security in our country.

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Speaker 7: People don't feel safe. We've got to get back to

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Speaker 7: the country that we all know and love, that's been

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Speaker 7: with us for two hundred and forty seven years, and

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Speaker 7: go by the dang Constitution and quit break in it

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Speaker 7: every day.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama. We're number

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Speaker 1: one in Birmingham. We appreciate everybody listening down there, and

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Speaker 1: you are working right now with Joe Manchin on Name,

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Speaker 1: Image and Likeness legislation. This would impact how all college

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Speaker 1: athletes are able to be compensated. Before I get into that,

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Speaker 1: Joe Manchin, do you think, based on your relationship with him,

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Speaker 1: that he's going to run for president? Do you think

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Speaker 1: he's going to run for governor? Back to try to

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Speaker 1: run for the Senate? What do you think he's going

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Speaker 1: to do next year?

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Speaker 7: I ask him every day. I can't get it out

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Speaker 7: of him.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 7: I think he really feels like he's done his service

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Speaker 7: in the Senate. I would not be shocked if he

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Speaker 7: doesn't run for the no League or no name party,

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Speaker 7: whatever they're calling it.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 7: Joe's a good person, He's a good American. He believes

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Speaker 7: in the country, he believes in the constitution.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 7: But uh, you know, you just don't know where these

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Speaker 7: people are going to go up here.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a different world.

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Speaker 7: You gotta you got it. You got to pick a

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Speaker 7: direction in a road which you think you can help

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Speaker 7: the most. Joe's done some good up here. He's done

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Speaker 7: some good since he's been here. He's been in politics

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Speaker 7: a long time. But he's getting to the point where

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Speaker 7: it might be time to go play off and run

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Speaker 7: around with the grandkids or do something else, but again

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Speaker 7: you'll have to ask him that question.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you have been a head football coach

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Speaker 1: I believe at Ole Miss, at Auburn, at Texas Tech,

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Speaker 1: and Cincinnati I remember off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: Uh N I l for people out there who don't

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Speaker 1: know uh individual college athletes are now able to make

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Speaker 1: money off of their name, image, and likeness, which is

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Speaker 1: the acronym INIL. As a result, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of different state laws. There's a different law in California

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Speaker 1: than there might be in Florida, than New York, in Alabama,

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Speaker 1: all these different places. What are you guys trying to

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Speaker 1: do succinctly for people out there that would federalize in

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Speaker 1: some way one overarching rule I believe as it would

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Speaker 1: pertain to nil.

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Speaker 7: You're exactly right, Claydon. First of all, we want to

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Speaker 7: save college sports because it's what people love in our

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Speaker 7: country and it's something that has not been corrupted, so

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Speaker 7: to speak. First of all, I'd like to say this,

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Speaker 7: I spent forty years in it. I understand it understand

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Speaker 7: that these athletes, men and women, do a great service.

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Speaker 7: But it's also they are well rewarded for what they

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Speaker 7: do in terms of scholarship money given from the schools.

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Speaker 7: They already make some money. But I'm not against athletes

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Speaker 7: making more money. I'm for that if they deserve it.

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Speaker 7: What we want to do, Joe Manchin. Now, we set

658
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Speaker 7: out over a year ago to say, okay, let's help

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Speaker 7: the situation.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 7: This is not Joe Mansion's bill. This is not Coach

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Speaker 7: Turberville's bill. This bill that we have written has come

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Speaker 7: from working with athletic directors, presidents, NCAA, coaches, players, all

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Speaker 7: people involved, and it has evolved very many times. We've

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Speaker 7: written it up, we've started over, we've done other things. Actually,

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Speaker 7: we had a bill done about a month ago. Then

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Speaker 7: we had an influx of coaches coming from all over

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Speaker 7: the country, all conferences, and we told them, go to

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Speaker 7: your congressman, go to your senator, give them advice of

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Speaker 7: what you think it needs to be done, and if

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Speaker 7: we need to change this bill, let's do it. And

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Speaker 7: we did. There were some good things that they brought

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Speaker 7: to us, and so we changed it again. We feel

674
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 7: like we've got the best bill now. Not to go

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00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 7: overboard on the rules now. Can remember the day back

676
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 7: when I was coaching the NCAA rule book on recruiting

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00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 7: look like a serious catalog. I mean the thing was

678
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Speaker 7: three or four inches thick. We do not need that.

679
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 7: We need basic rules coming from the federal government. And

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Speaker 7: then after that, if we can get this pass, let

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Speaker 7: the NCUBA and the people involved add to that how

682
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Speaker 7: they want. But what we want to do is make

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Speaker 7: sure all fifty states go with the same basic rules.

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Speaker 7: And right now we've got the wild wild West going

685
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Speaker 7: on and we have to get control. There are two

686
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Speaker 7: things I wanted to make sure we did. Number One,

687
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Speaker 7: get money out of recruiting. The nil from the Supreme

688
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 7: Court had nothing to do with recruiting money and kids

689
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 7: to universities. Nil says you can make money off your name,

690
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 7: image and likeness once you get to the school, and

691
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 7: then if you're do that, fine, go out and make

692
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 7: as much money as you want. We have to put

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Speaker 7: education and the student athlete first. Money needs to come third,

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00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 7: and if we don't go in that order, we're going

695
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 7: to lose it. We're going to lose women's sports, We're

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Speaker 7: going to lose Olympic sports. Football will survive, Basketball survive,

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00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 7: but the other sports are going to have a hard

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Speaker 7: time making it because they're not going to have any

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Speaker 7: funds to make it.

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Speaker 3: Senator Tupperville, what do you think the role of the

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Speaker 3: federal government should be of the of the legislative branch,

702
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Speaker 3: obviously House the Senate in dealing with the gender in

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Speaker 3: sports issue that has been created by the left in

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Speaker 3: recent years, where you have biological males competing against females.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that there's a legislative role that needs

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Speaker 3: to be adopted here.

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Speaker 7: Where they're having hearings on it today in the House.

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Speaker 7: It's a shame we have to even approach this or

709
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Speaker 7: even think about this idea of a biological boy or

710
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 7: a man participating in women's sports. It makes no sense.

711
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 7: It's not fair, it's not safe, and it's done right wrong,

712
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Speaker 7: and we've lost all common sense when it comes to that.

713
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 7: You've you've got athletes, women athletes. Now they're one that's

714
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 7: getting ready to retire, that's playing in this women's soccer

715
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 7: league right now, and she's all four boys playing women's

716
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 7: sports only for the fact that she's retired. Had they

717
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 7: been able to play when she was in it should

718
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 7: be working at a grocery store or something. I mean,

719
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 7: these biological boys and men will take over women's sports.

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Speaker 7: If allowed to do that, we're going to fight at

721
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Speaker 7: tooth and nail. We need women's sports, we need men's sports.

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Speaker 7: They need to be separate.

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Speaker 2: Again.

724
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Speaker 7: It is not safe to let them participate against each other.

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Speaker 7: And we want to make sure we give women and

726
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Speaker 7: young girls the opportunities the same opportunity that Title nine

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Speaker 7: gives them as of boys.

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Speaker 2: The Senator.

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Speaker 1: As we roll into college football season, I'm just curious

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Speaker 1: how much college football talk is there in the Senate, Like,

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Speaker 1: leave aside politics. I bet Joe Manchin, I think he's

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Speaker 1: a big West Virginia Mountaineer fan leaving a side the fact, Democrat,

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Speaker 1: Republic and everything else. How much college football? How much

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Speaker 1: sports talk in general is there in the Senate when

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Speaker 1: you guys take a break from the political realm of

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Speaker 1: the day.

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Speaker 7: Oh, there's quite a bit. You'd be you'd be amazed

738
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Speaker 7: at the college sports much more than professional sports because

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Speaker 7: everybody obviously is from there. They have their home state

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Speaker 7: or where they went to school. They had to campaign,

741
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 7: they have to know a lot about sports at the

742
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Speaker 7: universities all not just one or two universities, but all

743
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Speaker 7: the universities in their states. So yeah, we we have

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Speaker 7: a lot of conversation about about all the sports. And

745
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Speaker 7: again there's there's a lot of talk about this transgender movement.

746
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Speaker 7: And I haven't heard many people that even we would

747
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 7: even consider this on the Republican side. Now on the

748
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 7: Democratic side, they fall in in line like like ducks

749
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 7: walking behind each other. That I know most of them

750
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Speaker 7: don't believe in it because they got daughters or granddaughters

751
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 7: that don't want this to happened to them. But they

752
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 7: let politics get involved. And if we don't get politics

753
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Speaker 7: out of this, out of sports and this transgender movement,

754
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Speaker 7: and we're gonna have huge problems and very important problems

755
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Speaker 7: that I don't know whether we can solve them down

756
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 7: the road. But yes, we do have quite a bit

757
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 7: of talk about sports on the Senate floor, in the

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Speaker 7: cloakroom and in our hearing rooms.

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Speaker 3: Well, Senator Trouberville, appreciate you being with us, sir, Thanks

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Speaker 3: Third Hour Clay and Buck kicks off right now. We

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Speaker 3: are joined by Senator JD. Vance of Ohio. Senator Vance,

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Speaker 3: appreciate you calling in.

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, how are you.

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Speaker 2: We're good. We're good.

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Speaker 3: Haven't talked to you in a bit, Jadie, Thanks for

791
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Speaker 3: being here. Let's uh, look, there's a few things we

792
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Speaker 3: want to get to on the legislative side. Visa overstays,

793
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Speaker 3: the Ukraine accounting amendments, some stuff you're working on. But

794
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Speaker 3: as you know you saw this morning, there's the meeting

795
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Speaker 3: between Trump attorneys and the special counsel Jack Smith in

796
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Speaker 3: relation to January sixth. What's your sense of what's happening

797
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Speaker 3: here and what are your expectations in the days ahead.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, I think Trump will get indicted for something

799
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 5: related to January sixth. It'll be a complete sham. Of course,

800
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Speaker 5: the entire prosecution is predicated on a false idea of

801
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Speaker 5: what Trump did on January sixth. He never encouraged any violence.

802
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 5: In fact, he actively encouraged the protesters to stay peaceful.

803
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Speaker 5: But this is useful for the Biden folks politically. You know,

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Speaker 5: I tend to buy the idea that this helps them

805
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Speaker 5: in the primary, but they're trying to set up this

806
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Speaker 5: sort of series of facts where the average, you know,

807
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Speaker 5: pretty low en information voter thinks that Donald Trump is

808
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Speaker 5: a crook and not that, in fact, Joe Biden is

809
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Speaker 5: a crook and he's using his Department of Justice to

810
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Speaker 5: go after his political rivals, which is exactly what's happening here.

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Speaker 5: The fact that this comes literally the day after the

812
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 5: Hunter Biden plea deal falls apart under just minor investigation

813
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 5: by the federal judge. There just a little bit of

814
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 5: peeling back the onion and the entire plea deal fell apart,

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Speaker 5: and really I think revealed the corruption of the Department

816
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Speaker 5: of Justice. Shocking that this prosecution is coming the day after,

817
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 5: but it just shows how brazen these guys are. I mean,

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Speaker 5: they know they have the media, they know they have

819
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Speaker 5: the capacity to tell a story that's totally untrue, so

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Speaker 5: they're just going to shove it down everybody's throats and

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Speaker 5: hope that it works out politically.

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Speaker 1: You went to Yell law school, I believe I'm not mistaken,

823
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Speaker 1: same law school that Hunter Biden went to. I don't

824
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: know if you guys overlapped at all. I think he's older.

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00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: So I don't think that would be the case. But

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Speaker 1: when you look at Hunter Biden's resume. We were talking

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Speaker 1: about this earlier. I went a lawaw school, you know,

828
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Speaker 1: came out twenty five years old, working to try to

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Speaker 1: pay off my loans.

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Speaker 2: Like most people who go to law school.

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden almost immediately went to work for his dad's

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Speaker 1: top campaign donor, MBNA in house, making hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 1: of dollars. He was making over a million dollars a

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Speaker 1: year of counsel at a big firm. For a lot

835
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Speaker 1: of people out there who understand the practice of law,

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Speaker 1: this is this is crazy, and this what they were

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Speaker 1: attempting to ram through yesterday was a protection basically for

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden not only for failing to pay millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars in taxes, but also from any future potential prosecutions

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Speaker 1: that he might face for the bevy of felonies that

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Speaker 1: were embedded in that laptop. And while we are talking

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Speaker 1: about the Hunter Biden clear felonies, they are trying to

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Speaker 1: put Donald Trump in prison for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 1: Purely from a legal perspective, again, with your background, have

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Speaker 1: we ever seen anything like this in American legal history,

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Speaker 1: and what do we have to do to clean all

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Speaker 1: this up?

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Speaker 5: No, we haven't. And I actually did know Hunter at

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Speaker 5: Yale Law School. He was my crack dealer for all

850
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Speaker 5: those late nights that I was pulling. No, obviously we

851
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 5: never crossed baths before, never have. But look, here's the

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Speaker 5: basic issue, what they're doing with Hunter Biden. And I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna be honest with you, I don't really care about

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Speaker 5: the president's son. I care about the president of the

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Speaker 5: United States and what they're doing by effectively giving Hunter

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Speaker 5: Biden legal immunity for everything related to the crimes committed

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Speaker 5: over the last few years, as they're effectively saying, we're

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Speaker 5: not going to investigate anymore. So all of the corruption,

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Speaker 5: some of it is almost certainly real, some of it

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Speaker 5: we can only guess at. But all of that corruption

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Speaker 5: is going to stay hidden because the Department of Justice

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Speaker 5: is giving this guy get out of jail free card.

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Speaker 5: So this isn't about Hunter Biden. This is giving Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden a get out of investigation card in the midst

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Speaker 5: of a presidential election while they're simultaneously prosecuting Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: for a couple of different things. Now, I have been

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Speaker 5: really fired up about the Donald Trump the first Jack

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Speaker 5: Smith prosecution of Trump overclassified documents, because I think it

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Speaker 5: goes to the heart of presidential authority. What they're really saying.

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Speaker 5: Everybody admits that Trump could have classified any document that

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Speaker 5: he wanted to, So they're trying to throw him in

872
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Speaker 5: jail for failing to dot the i's and cross the

873
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 5: t's on his own administration's declassification process. That is insane.

874
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 5: Even if you grant everything that they say that Donald

875
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: Trump did, and by the way, I don't, but even

876
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 5: if you do, you're trying to throw the guy in

877
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 5: prison because he didn't fill out the right paperwork. That's crazy.

878
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 5: And to do it in such a politically charged way,

879
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 5: that's the most bizarre thing, because look, we've seen wrongdoing

880
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 5: from the left and from the right over the course

881
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 5: of American history. Using your own Department of Justice to

882
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 5: go after your political opponent, it really is. It can't

883
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 5: be said enough Banana Republic stuff. It is intentional election interference.

884
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 5: They don't care about whether Donald Trump broke the law.

885
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 5: They care about Donald Trump might be able to win

886
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 5: reelection as president in twenty twenty four, and they're using

887
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 5: I mean two hundred and thirty years of goodwill about

888
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 5: our law and order system. They're destroying it to prevent

889
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 5: the wrong guy from winning in twenty twenty four. That's

890
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 5: all this is about.

891
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: We're speaking to Senator Vance of Ohio and Senator the

892
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: visa overstay legislation you're working on. I mean this, I

893
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: see here it would require some immigrants to deposit up

894
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: to fifteen thousand dollars to prevent overstay. The border is

895
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 3: a huge mass, but visa overstays are a big problem too.

896
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 3: Tell us about this.

897
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 5: So I was sort of shocked at the scale of this.

898
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 5: So you have about three million visa overstays. That's three

899
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 5: million illegal aliens, people who have no right to be

900
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 5: in our country. Verse saying, and we know, of course

901
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 5: that the Biden mist has rapid spanded the visa program.

902
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 5: They give people visas, they say, come back, will adjudicate

903
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 5: your face, you know, and that never happens. Of course,

904
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 5: a lot of these people disappear in some way. So

905
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 5: there are all of these different ways in which people

906
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 5: overstay their visas. Sometimes they're given legitimate visas to study

907
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 5: or so forth, and they just overstay their welcome. What

908
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 5: we're basically proposing put a little skin in the game

909
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 5: so that if they overstay their visa, they lose a

910
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 5: lot of resources in the process. It's sort of a

911
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 5: self enforcement mechanism and it's just, you know, one more

912
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 5: tool in the shed we need to enforce our nation's

913
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 5: integration laws. You know, we're really suffering under a global

914
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 5: cabal of people who don't think that nations should have borders.

915
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 5: You see it in the visa overstate crisis of and goorder.

916
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 5: You see in the lack of not just here, but

917
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 5: you see it in other countries as well. There's this

918
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 5: entire idea that nations should not be able to select

919
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 5: to become citizens, and we have to fight back against that.

920
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 5: And this is one one way in which we're trying

921
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 5: to enforce books the tools to fight back against the

922
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 5: violation of our borders.

923
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: Senator, I want to go back to what you were

924
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: just laying out about this attack, and I understand there's

925
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: lots of other things going on, but I think it

926
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: goes to the essence of really our ability to have

927
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: free and fair elections. How do you think Merrick Garland

928
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: sleeps at night as the Attorney General who is in

929
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: charge of trying to put the chief political adversary of

930
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: his boss in prison for the rest of his life.

931
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: I think it is a failure of attorney general dumb

932
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: status the likes of which we've never seen in the

933
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: history of our republic. What do you think is going

934
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: on there? Is he totally captured? Is he a true believer?

935
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: How did he end up leading.

936
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: A department of justice that would turn its back on

937
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: all of the history of American justice?

938
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 5: So I have a pet theory on this. You know,

939
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 5: I have no idea if this is true, but I'll

940
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 5: lay up my pychological theory. So Merrit Garland. I met

941
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 5: him one time and he seemed like a totally reasonable guy. No,

942
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 5: not a guy on the Supreme Court, but a totally

943
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 5: reasonable guy. This is probably seven or eight years ago.

944
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 5: He was nominated to the Supreme Court. His nomination, of

945
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 5: course killed by Senate Republicans, as it should have been,

946
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 5: and get broken. I think the guy became a full

947
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 5: bore radical in response to that experience, and he has

948
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 5: decided to take it out on the American people. In

949
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 5: the American system of law and order, I mean, everything

950
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 5: gets caught up. Of course, in the twenty twenty four

951
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 5: presidential politics. But if you walk through the number of cases,

952
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 5: you know, the Catholic pro life father was arrested like

953
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 5: a thug in front of his front of his seven

954
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 5: children for the crime of peaceably protesting, or the FBI

955
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 5: investigations into parents who were protesting at their kids' school

956
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 5: board meetings. What you see as a pattern of a

957
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 5: department of justice that really uses the power of the

958
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 5: state for political prosecutions you can't And this is what

959
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 5: Carlin is fund.

960
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: Senator Vance with us right now from OHI, I appreciate

961
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: you being with us, sir. What do you think happens

962
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: with the uh, the the possible Hunter Biden plea deal

963
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: At this point, you know it's play pointed out.

964
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: You went to law school. Where do you think that goes?

965
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 5: Yeah? Look, I think if you if you really try

966
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 5: to what happened yesterday, I think there's a lot of

967
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 5: evidence that the the Hunter Biden, the prosecutors and the

968
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 5: defense attorneys tried to pull one over on a judge

969
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 5: who was a lot smarter than they bet And as

970
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 5: soon as she started to sort of pull at the

971
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 5: thread of that plea deal, everybody realized this was incredible corruption.

972
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 5: I don't think that she would have accepted the plea deal,

973
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 5: and I think she also revealed the way in which

974
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 5: they had hidden what the implications were, which which again

975
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 5: is that it's not just Hunter Biden would go free

976
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 5: on those charges, but that they would not investigate him

977
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 5: for anything, and that that's the fundamental problem here. So

978
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 5: where do I think this goes. It's tough to say,

979
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 5: because they think it's clear now this judge is not

980
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 5: going to accept the full scale get out a free

981
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 5: jail card for Hunter and Joe Biden, and so they're

982
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 5: going to go back to the drawing board. I'm sure

983
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 5: they'll propose something Ouin this judge is as good as

984
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 5: she appears to be, then we may be in a

985
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 5: situation where the American legal system, while Merrik Carland is

986
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 5: putting it under a lot of stress, it's actually working

987
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 5: the way that it's meant to and the boj might

988
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 5: have to do a job a little bit. That would

989
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 5: be a good thing, It would be welcome. I'm not

990
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 5: celebrating just yet, but man, it was a good sign

991
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 5: that just a very very minor scrutiny of that deal

992
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 5: and the whole thing blew up.

993
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: Last question for you Ukraine.

994
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: There, we heard a lot about this counter offensive and

995
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: how successful it was going to be on behalf of Ukraine.

996
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: It certainly has not taken off this summer, as I

997
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say Zelenski and others would have hoped.

998
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: What should happen in Ukraine from your perspective for the

999
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: United States position?

1000
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: And what do you think is happening going forward?

1001
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 5: Well, look, I think the counter offensive has been a failure.

1002
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 5: I take no pleasure in saying that, but look, this

1003
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 5: has clearly been for about a year now. The Russians

1004
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 5: aren't gaining much ground, the Ukrainians aren't gaining much ground.

1005
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 5: The question for the United States is do we want

1006
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 5: a ten year war of attrition in this region the world?

1007
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 5: It'll cause worldwide energy crisis, It'll cause worldwide food crises,

1008
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 5: it will of course kill a lot of indentcent people.

1009
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 5: Do we want that? Want to leverage the fact that

1010
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 5: we're the main funders of the war on the Ukrainian side,

1011
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 5: use that leverage and bring this thing to a close.

1012
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 5: The idea that the Ukrainians can continue to fight without

1013
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 5: our billions of dollars of support is if we wanted to.

1014
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 5: I think we could bring this war to a close

1015
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 5: very quickly. I think it's a good sign that all

1016
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 5: of the marquee presidentials on the Republican side are sounding

1017
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 5: the alarm about our long term investment in Ukraine that

1018
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 5: it has to eventually stop. And what I think needs

1019
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 5: to happen is very simple. President Biden or Hover succeeds

1020
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 5: him to go to the Olynski and say, we've done

1021
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 5: our part. We've done more than enough. We are done

1022
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 5: funding the conflicts. You need to figure out how to

1023
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 5: bring this thing to a close. And I think it

1024
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 5: would take a month if that happened. It really the

1025
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 5: war cannot continue without America's support, so I think we

1026
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 5: should be trying to force a peaceful settlement.

1027
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Speaker 1: He's Senator jd Vance from Ohio. Appreciate the time, have

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Speaker 1: a good weekend Center.

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