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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth Saren, Elizabeth all right, hold on, yes, do

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Speaker 2: you know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yes, oh, Elizabeth Taylor, Richard Burton Okay, okay, So this guy,

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Speaker 4: he's writing a book about them called Exotic No wait,

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Speaker 4: Erotic Vagrancy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Erotic Vagrancy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Did you know how excessive they were? I mean

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Speaker 4: you've probably sure. I got some numbers for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: One time and they went to a film festival in

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Speaker 4: nineteen sixty seven. They brought with them one hundred and

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Speaker 4: fifty six suitcases.

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Speaker 2: Wait what they get your head around that?

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Speaker 4: How many? That is one hundred and fifty six. I

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Speaker 4: don't have enough stuff to put in one hundred and suitcases.

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Speaker 4: Why don't we just be sand like think about my backyard.

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Speaker 2: At the airport, you see a family and they've got

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Speaker 2: like five suitcases on one of those carts.

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Speaker 4: It's all unweeling, totally one hundred and fifty six. They

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Speaker 4: traveled with makeup artists, housekeepers, a house photographer just like

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Speaker 4: normally taking photos of them, tutors, you know, just for

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Speaker 4: people around them. I guess, bodyguards, nurses, secretaries, business managers, chauffeurs, butlers,

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Speaker 4: and of course a suitcase packer. Yeah, but somebody they're

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Speaker 4: not packing that now. When they stayed at the Hotel

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Speaker 4: Lancaster in Paris, or maybe the Lancast, I don't know

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Speaker 4: my baby pronouncing that anyway, the Hotel Long Coaster in Paris,

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Speaker 4: they occupied right this place.

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Speaker 2: It's like that, like an army, totally occupied.

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Speaker 4: They took over twenty one rooms, twenty one rooms. They

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Speaker 4: had quote pet dogs accompanying the humans into restaurants and

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Speaker 4: had to be fed from the menu. Yes, when they traveled,

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Speaker 4: they bought a boat just for their dogs. They had

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Speaker 4: all their dogs on their yacht. The dogs were ruining

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Speaker 4: the carpets because they were just letting them pee, walking

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Speaker 4: around peeing. They were switching out the carpets every six months,

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Speaker 4: and they were like, this doesn't work for us, Let's

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Speaker 4: just buy a boat for the dogs. So they bought

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Speaker 4: a dog boat. That was for you, Elizabeth, a dog boat,

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Speaker 4: a dog boat, just a dog.

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Speaker 2: I don't love people bringing dogs into restaurants and having

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Speaker 2: them eat off the table.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think you'd like that. The dog boat.

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Speaker 2: That when people bring their dogs into supermarkets and they're

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Speaker 2: not actual service dogs, you know whatever, emotional support dogs whatever.

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Speaker 2: Leave them at home and people get mad. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to hear it. But like non working dogs in

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Speaker 2: in a commercial.

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Speaker 4: Market, but you're cool with like like a bird on

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Speaker 4: the shoulder.

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Speaker 2: No, there you go. Ridiculous, k ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: No, That's why I'm here.

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Speaker 2: The old inheritance scam.

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Speaker 4: That old scam.

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous crime. A podcast about a third and

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Speaker 2: outrageous caper's heis and cons It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 2: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Damn raight.

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Speaker 2: Once upon a time, Yes, there was a little girl,

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Speaker 2: a little girl named Marianne Andel. She lived in Bangor Main,

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Speaker 2: which is where she was born, Surrounded by woods. In

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Speaker 2: this cozy town, she spent her winters in the snow

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Speaker 2: and her summers swatting mosquitoes from her legs next to

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Speaker 2: jewel like ponds. Ah, very nice, beautiful. She graduated from

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Speaker 2: high school in nineteen eighty seven. Only a year before

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Speaker 4: An hour away with nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a young man had just ventured into the woods

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Speaker 2: ditching his super Oh yes, only to remain there for decades.

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Speaker 4: A hermit pond.

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Speaker 2: Hermit the subject of a ridiculous crime episode and a

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Speaker 2: famous song of very beautif. But he's not the subject

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Speaker 2: on our Instagram it is so God, it's incredible. But

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Speaker 2: he's not the subject of the episode today today we're talking.

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Speaker 4: That would be lazy for you to tell that again.

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Speaker 2: What if I just I get a little bit different way.

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Speaker 4: You tell from this, like the side of the trees. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're watching this all go down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's try that. No, okay. So Marianne she moved

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Speaker 2: to Tennessee after high school. She got a job as

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Speaker 2: She went to Florida, she had a kid. She also

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Speaker 2: had dreams we all do.

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Speaker 4: I hope she got her.

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Speaker 2: Were grand and not always feasible, darn so, like, for example,

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Speaker 4: That's not a dream.

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Speaker 2: She wasn't.

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Speaker 4: You can't dream of being Irish. I tried that for

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Speaker 2: She wasn't. But she really wanted to be So that's

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Speaker 2: cool for her. And a lot of times her dream

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Speaker 2: were more important to her than to other people than

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Speaker 4: Her dreams are more important than other people. Yes, not

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Speaker 4: that her dreams are more important to her than other

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Speaker 4: dreams were important to.

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Speaker 2: We're more important than the truth.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's very common for people who think they're

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Speaker 2: She told her friends and her family that she had

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Speaker 2: terrible news, devastating. She'd been diagnosed with breast cancer. Oh,

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Speaker 2: she's a single mom, teenage daughter. Is this terrible blow.

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Speaker 2: But she's going to fight it and she's going to wink.

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Speaker 2: But she needed money for treatment. And I think you

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Speaker 4: Yes, this was a scam.

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Speaker 2: She did not have cancer.

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Speaker 4: Yes, she was lying those.

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Speaker 2: People, But soon enough she had thousands of dollars from

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Speaker 4: She reached one of her dreams, one of her low

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Speaker 2: Didn't have cancer, but she did have everyone stolen money.

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Speaker 2: So her family found out and they disowned her, as

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Speaker 2: she takes the cash. She takes her daughter, Chelsea. They

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Speaker 4: She's really going through with this. I want to be Irish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy is Stephen Smith. She marries Steven His

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Speaker 2: so it's Smith, Prince Smith. But all it makes me

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Speaker 2: think of is in the James Bond Masterpiece of You

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Speaker 2: to a Kill when what's his name? Christopher No, well yeah,

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Speaker 2: Christopher Watkins in it? Who's bonding that one? Roger Moore

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Speaker 2: shows up at like a Stallion auction in like a

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Speaker 2: I have always wanted to use that as like.

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Speaker 4: You never use that name. I used that I got

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Speaker 2: Hey, so I was hoping it was happen at Smith.

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Speaker 2: So they they're both greyhound racing enthusiasts. That's how they

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Speaker 4: I guess it's the wait one quick question if I'm bookkeeping.

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Speaker 4: Is she going to be satisfied in her dream if

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Speaker 4: she attains the nationality of Irish or she want the

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Speaker 4: cultural heritage? She wants to be called Irish.

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Speaker 2: She wants people to like know her as Irish.

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Speaker 4: She wants her hair to turn red and her to

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Speaker 4: be like real Irish. Irish code is as Irish.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Brogue and everything. Okay, yeah, it's just not

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Speaker 2: citizenship she's looking for which ps he went to Northern Ireland.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to work for you on that one anyway.

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Speaker 2: So she's now she's Mary Anne Smith, goes by mayor.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and a big Greyhound enthusiasts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And she gets a job as a mortgage broker

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Speaker 4: Yeah, meltdown. Yeah, well and is this point that was

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Speaker 2: And you look at both Ireland and Northern Ireland, the

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Speaker 2: And then Belfast coming into the two thousands, you go

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Speaker 2: past good Friday agreement, but like the influx of money

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Speaker 4: And yeah, and also a big tech economy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so she's riding that. So she's working on loans.

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Speaker 2: She's working on separating people from their harder in cash.

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Speaker 2: So there's this buyer who pays one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: People scrow here I go.

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Speaker 2: Six other people take out mortgages from the same company.

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Speaker 2: They get taken by her. She conned scores of neighbors

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Speaker 2: made up sob stories so they'd be charitable to her.

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Speaker 2: In total, in Northern Ireland she had twenty six victims

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Speaker 2: So the police in Northern Ireland they're hot on her trail.

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Speaker 4: Okay, now does her husband go with her?

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Speaker 2: No, And it's not just that she goes back to

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Speaker 2: plastic surgery. So she has a nose job, boob job, liposection,

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, gangster on the run completely and she loves it.

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Speaker 2: She loves plastic surgery, she loves changing her look all them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so she's just like changes her hair, her body. Here

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Speaker 2: me totally. And if Mary's your name, and plastic surgery

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Speaker 2: in Kawns is your game? Yes, why not move to la.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, she would love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just makes sense. It makes sense. So it

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Speaker 2: was Los Angeles in twenty thirteen. Oh, she gets a

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Speaker 4: Walton, who is Emmy Award winning.

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Speaker 2: Jathan any producer who won one Emmy. Okay, Jonathan Walt.

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Speaker 4: And it's okay, that's why his last name is kind of.

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Speaker 2: He winds up being like the star of the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so Walton. He's unable to get access to a pool

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Speaker 2: at his Bunker Hill apartment complex, okay, in downtown because

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Speaker 2: his building is beefing with a neighbor a neighboring.

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Speaker 4: Building round by Flower Street.

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Speaker 2: We've all been there, folks. My building's fighting with that building.

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Speaker 4: Completely.

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Speaker 2: And it was a huge pool, Olympic sized pool, rooftop pool. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: probably so he describes it. Walton says, it's the crown

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Speaker 2: jewel of the building. It's an oasis buildings, right. But

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Speaker 2: the residents they lose they lose access. So he hosts

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Speaker 2: a meeting for the building residents to join forces get

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Speaker 2: is Smith. She says that she's a luxury travel agent

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Speaker 2: and she works for a company called Pacific Island. She

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Speaker 2: said she didn't have to work because she was an

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Speaker 2: heiress from Ireland and she had like a vaguely heiress

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Speaker 2: shifted all over the place. I found video of her

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Speaker 2: Royalty in Northern Ireland is the British Crown, and Irish

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Speaker 4: Know, why were the British soldiers in Maine that she

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Speaker 2: Are like splinterself exactly. So she would show Walton text

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Speaker 2: God bless Google translate. Yeah, so Smith had Walton believing

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll talk a little more about transfusions. Okay, Saren, right,

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Speaker 2: I'm so curious. Oh yes, I want you to picture it.

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Speaker 2: This isn't her first. She tells you she has chronically

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Speaker 2: this isn't the first time I've done this. Well, you

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Speaker 2: six months of rent. WHOA, Yeah, so Smith. She's besties

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Speaker 2: with Walton, but she had another BFF, Jennifer Aniston b

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Speaker 4: That's how I met Sam Jackson.

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Speaker 2: So she had a pretty, you know, fabulous life, and

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Speaker 2: Walton said quote she wore twelve hundred dollars Jimmy chooes

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Speaker 2: Clicking along the heel flies off. That's what would happen

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Speaker 4: I'm standing there, going, this is cinema to me in.

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Speaker 2: like we we have sponsorships from Adidas, Birkin stock Vans,

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Speaker 2: And the sponsorships forbid high heels. So I couldn't wear

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Speaker 2: back to Smith, remember I said she's also a psychic

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Speaker 2: the domain of the confidence trickster. Yes, so, Mayor Smith.

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Speaker 2: She told her best buddy, Emmy Award winning TV producer

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Speaker 2: or South Figaro.

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Speaker 4: In La oh, just the name of the place. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: not a type of psychic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought too. And it was like

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Speaker 2: kind of psychic is that?

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Speaker 4: From?

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Speaker 2: You sit on a desk and sit real still.

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Speaker 4: You look beautiful and hope you don't get over one

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Speaker 4: very delicate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It looks to be closed now Orchid Psychics,

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Speaker 2: But I need to read you some reviews.

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Speaker 4: Oh please, I love these reviews.

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Speaker 2: Promise it's relevant, and even if it wasn't relevant, I

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Speaker 2: don't care. I'm going to read it anyway relevant. You

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Speaker 2: know what, Mama runs the show the way she wants it.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to say. So here's what Nasri

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Speaker 2: m had to say. In twenty sixteen, she went from

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Speaker 2: four stars to two. I spoke to Mayor and she

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Speaker 2: But Mayer was extremely accommodating and I like her energy.

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00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 2: So that's in twenty sixteen, two years later. Nothing she

438
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 2: said was accurate. I know most psychics are off, but

439
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 2: this one was exceptionally rancid. My cat is more psychic

440
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,239
Speaker 2: than her. At least she can predict when I'm going

441
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: to pinch a loaf. But this woman should practice or

442
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 2: something to get better. I even waited a year to

443
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: post this, hoping it would finally come to fruition. But no,

444
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: she wasn't even close to accurate. She should just tell

445
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 2: people she's not a real psychic and that she just

446
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: does it for some giggles.

447
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 4: Two things. I love that she did the scientific method

448
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 4: of like, let's give her time, and then two years

449
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 4: later she reports back with her findings exactly amazing. And

450
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 4: then also I want to know what happened in those

451
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 4: two years because she's like, it was all wrong. Oh girl,

452
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 4: So do you need a hug, maybe some lemonade something

453
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 4: so we.

454
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 2: Have another turnaround? Huh. This one is from a gal

455
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 2: named jayg in twenty fifteen. Here's the first part of it. Wow,

456
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: all caps. Okay, I'm what one would call a skeptic,

457
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: although my mother also calls me Nancy Reagan thanks to

458
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: my interest in astrology.

459
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 4: Woahoo at energy.

460
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: That said, I had no idea what to expect, and frankly,

461
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: my expectations weren't high. The crazy thing about Mayor is

462
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: that she's the type of person with whom one immediately

463
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 2: feels comfortable. Unusual for me, my notion of a psychic

464
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: was that of the psychic friend's hotline. I'll say it,

465
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: I was wrong. Yeah, Mayor gave me direction, and quite frankly,

466
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: I felt better after speaking with her than I've ever

467
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: felt speaking with my therapist. She was realistic and warm,

468
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 2: and a couple of things she said had me speechless.

469
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 2: That info was not google uble, especially information that wasn't

470
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: about me, and a person whose last name she couldn't

471
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: possibly have known. I'll be back, There's no question. I

472
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: feel as if I can breathe again. That alone is

473
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: worth everything.

474
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 4: And then eat music.

475
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: Now it's here. And then she puts in edit. So

476
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: much fell into place. About the weirdness that followed. I'd

477
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 2: purchased my reading via Living Social and was allowed to

478
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: get more than one. I called to schedule and the

479
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: number had changed. She'd changed her name. I set up

480
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: a reading, and then suddenly she had all kinds of excuses.

481
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: Car problems in the middle of the desert, couldn't get

482
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: to a phone, blah, blah blah. Finally she canceled the

483
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: appointment because she said I'd already used a voucher. Living

484
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: Social refunded me, so she never had my credit card information.

485
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: Thank god, I never attempted again. Because it was so unprofessional.

486
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: Now I know why.

487
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 4: That was quite the turn. Yeah, wow too, Oh my god,

488
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 4: thank god she doesn't have my credit card.

489
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: So, like in the beginning, she didn't tell her best

490
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: friend Walton about her gig at orkin psychics. It was

491
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: later yeah, but so quote she said she had never

492
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: told me because she was ashamed of it, but that

493
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 2: the gift apparently ran in her family. Her grandmother used

494
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: to help police find missing people. I didn't know what

495
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 2: to think, but she started getting more and more clients

496
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: and was getting good reviews on Yelp. So I started

497
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: to think maybe she's a psychic.

498
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 4: Stick around for those reviews.

499
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: But to be fair, there are a number of good

500
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: Yelp reviews for her. Oh and sure, here's my favorite part.

501
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: If you go on there and there are bad reviews

502
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 2: from the past, mayor pops in occasionally to argue with

503
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: the person. Really yeah, she leaves responses to the reviews.

504
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 4: She's still out there in the game.

505
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: Well like at that time. Okay, So Walton first got

506
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: a taste of her psychic abilities at a New Year's

507
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: Eve party in Santa Monica. So she invites Walton and

508
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: his husband to the party, and he told Image magazine quote.

509
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: I think admission was like five hundred dollars or something,

510
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: but she gets us in for free because we're with her.

511
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: They hired her as a psychic to read guests at

512
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: the party. So we go and drink and have a

513
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: good time at the party, and I literally witnessed her

514
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: bring dozens of people to tears with her accuracy. So

515
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: he sums up what we see a lot in the

516
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: Yelp reviews quote. A lot of the victims she scammed

517
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: she started seeing her as a psychic all told me

518
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: this same thing. The first couple of readings were staggeringly accurate.

519
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: She knew things that were impossible for her to know.

520
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: She must have a gift. But if she gets to

521
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: know someone, she can't read them anymore. Familiarity is her kryptonite.

522
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: So I really do believe she has a psychic ability,

523
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: but she can only read strangers, which is why she

524
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 2: couldn't read me, because we became fast friends very quickly.

525
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: I have the same problem with cards in Vegas. My

526
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 4: psychic powers don't work.

527
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: Don't work for me.

528
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: I could do it for anybody else. I'm like, if

529
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 4: you're gambling, Elizabeth takes me, and I'll be like, that's

530
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 4: a king.

531
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: But for me, I told you I want psychic powers.

532
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 4: Oh I want them, but go on please.

533
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: So when the psychic bit it like falls apart with people, obviously,

534
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: she'd shift over to being a life coach and she

535
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: would charge them tens of thousands of dollars well, giving

536
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: them what she called homework. And that was just like

537
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: fact finding missions for her. So like, you do this

538
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: work and tell me about your family, and she'd gather

539
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: all this intel to further the scam. One of the

540
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: victims of that particular con was a Hollywood costume designer,

541
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: a friend of Walton's who wouldn't come publicly forward when

542
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 2: this all fell apart, must have remained anonymous. They lost

543
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: ten grand Wow, people get embarrassed about being taken for

544
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: a ride like that. Oh yeah, completely, Now I mentioned

545
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: Jennifer Aniston.

546
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 4: You did?

547
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: I did? Supposed to be one of Maher's close friends.

548
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: They met, according to Mayor, when jen became one of

549
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: her clients for the psychic services.

550
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I heard she likes stars.

551
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. Though, Smith used a bunch of

552
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: different email accounts and Google phone numbers to impersonate people

553
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: like Jennifer Aniston, Ashley jud Dario Franchetti. No one was safe,

554
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: even award winning TV producer Jonathan Walton. No, no, Yeah,

555
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 2: she pretended to be him to scam other people.

556
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: Oh that she was using it.

557
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: And so in that case she tricked a mark into

558
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: thinking that she'd been hospitalized. It was like a life

559
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 2: coaching client that she had. So she as Walton said

560
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: that Mayor had a collapsed lung and couldn't make the class,

561
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: and no, he can't discuss a refund. So she's like

562
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: as him.

563
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: Doing the journeys like sock puppet business manager.

564
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was more likely for Mayor though, like

565
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: she'd use the fake email addresses and the phone numbers

566
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: to send herself stuff from supposed celebrities to her, and

567
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: then she'd show them like look what jen just texted me.

568
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: Or she'd set up accounts to look like her phony

569
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: Irish family and like like all of her barristers in England,

570
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: her lawyers completely the King of Ireland. And so people

571
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: like especially Walton, they took it all at face value.

572
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: And here's what he told people who couldn't believe that

573
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: he'd bought some of the stories. Quote people in Ireland

574
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: are like, who would believe that? Well, we're in Los

575
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: Angeles the period, full stop. It's not unfounded that someone

576
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: I know knows Jennifer Anniston. When I worked on Shark Tank,

577
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: I was in Sony Studios and I was working down

578
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: the hall from Will Smith. I would talk to him

579
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: every day getting coffee. So it's not a crazy assertion

580
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: that someone in LA knows Jennifer Aniston.

581
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 4: Totally. I can tell you a gas station to go

582
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: to in LA if you want to meet famous people,

583
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: I can tell you exactly the one to go to.

584
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 4: And if you go there, it's one that famous people stopped

585
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 4: it because it happens to be on a pathway between

586
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 4: the studios and where they a lot of them live,

587
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: and it's the gas station. And this is how Hollywood works.

588
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: There's a lot of places like this. I'm just using

589
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 4: one example. Yeah, but it's very much. These are real

590
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 4: people moving around in the world. So you're going to

591
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 4: have a work friend who is famous.

592
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: And they're not. It's not like they only talk to

593
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: other famous people their love exactly.

594
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: They like talking to normal people because they don't get

595
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 4: to so of course they're gonna be friends with the team.

596
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: Stir Yeah, totally exactly. So Mayor she keeps using that.

597
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: That whole notion, that connection vibe.

598
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: Is yeah, exactly, and she's using the emails. Twenty fourteen,

599
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: she meets a man that we're going to call Mark.

600
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: He's a film producer and she meets some in online

601
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: dating and so we don't know Mark's real name because

602
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: he didn't want his name out there. Again with embarrassment.

603
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: So Smith told Mark that she's best friends with Jennifer

604
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: Aniston and like, hey, you want to tag along with me?

605
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: Like to go meet her for lunch. And again, here's

606
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: the thing about La like you can often run into

607
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: celebrities and people have odd connections to said celebrities. It's

608
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: part for the course, but the town works on who

609
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: you know, and people are desperate to know the right

610
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: people opportunity, Yeah, because lunching with Jennifer Aniston can like

611
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: you know, to work or more in totally, So Mark

612
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: would agree to go, but then he and Mayor would

613
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: get like stood up by Jen so busy, you guys,

614
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: and she would text these deep apologies to their big

615
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: sale Lululemon got totally so Smith like she's she's showing

616
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: Mark all these like, oh my god, you guys, A'm

617
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: a school. Sorry, and she's like, you know what, Mark,

618
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: here's all Jen's contact information. Yeah, he just here's her.

619
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: Here's her cell phone number, Yeah, here's her, here's her email.

620
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: He thinks he's texting and emailing Rachel from friends. Yes,

621
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: and Jennifer Aniston. You know, it's a tough one. She

622
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: was always on Mark's case in these conversations, getting on

623
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: him for like not caring enough about Mayor, not treating

624
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: her like he should.

625
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 4: Why don't you look up for Mayor? You should give

626
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: her money? Mayor doesn't have enough money. And that's a

627
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: way love language.

628
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: To do it.

629
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 4: That's great, using Aiston has.

630
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: And so after a while Mark he's like, he asked

631
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: a techy friend of his to research the contact information,

632
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: and the friend is like, stop chatting with her immediately,

633
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: because like, there's no history anywhere, everything's all suspicious. He

634
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: finds out it's a Google phone number, He's like, stop Smith.

635
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: Though she eventually gets arrested for investment. Too many victims

636
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: to keep them all quiet. Walton fully convinced of Mayor's

637
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: jealous Irish cousins that are out to destroy her life.

638
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: So he paid for all her legal fees. Oh god,

639
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: more than seventy five thousand dollars. Oh god, this is

640
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: what he said. Quote. She shows me an email from

641
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: her barrister that says there's a clause in her uncle's

642
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: will that says if any errors are convicted of a felony,

643
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: they'll be disinherited. The barrister's like, I just wanted to

644
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: make you aware of this. I don't think it applies,

645
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: but you should know. I was a news reporter for

646
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: ten years, and I'd covered stories and read stories about

647
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: you know, husbands knocking their wives off over a million dollars,

648
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: insurance policies, and people getting set up. So immediately I'm like, Mayor,

649
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: you've got to be careful. Like your boss's best friend

650
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: is your cousin Finton, who now hates you. They might

651
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: set you up to make it look like you're stealing

652
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: so you get convicted of a felony and then they

653
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: get to keep the money. We're talking millions of dollars.

654
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: People kill for millions of dollars. Be careful, And she

655
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: laughed it off, like, no, Jonathan, don't be stupid. They

656
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: would never do that. No, no, No. Fast forward literally

657
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks later, and I get a call

658
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: from jail. She's been arrested, and she's crying on the phone,

659
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: telling me I was right. Her family set her up

660
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: to make it look like she stole two hundred thousand dollars.

661
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: I walked right into it. She used my good nature

662
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: against me. We're almost a year and a half into

663
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: our friendship at this point. I love her like a sister.

664
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: I love her as much as any gay man can

665
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: love a woman. So I immediately bail her out of jail.

666
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: I feel so bad for Jonathan Walton.

667
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: I do. I feel bad for him because his kindness

668
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: is being used against him. Yeah, but I also really

669
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: want to take him to the side and politely and

670
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: kindly hold his hand and say, just do me one favorite.

671
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: When you hear something, ask yourself, okay that sounds like

672
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: and before you start the story of what you think

673
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: it sounds like, oh could this be true? Could this

674
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 4: not be true? And then entertain both of those ideas

675
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 4: rather than just rushing down those. He has so far

676
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: into that story completely. She didn't need to tell him anything.

677
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: He painted it all for.

678
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: Her exactly, And he's so distressed. I get upset because

679
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: he's so distressed.

680
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: I know.

681
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: So Smith told Walton that she was being set up

682
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: to look like it was you know that she stole

683
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand from the travel agency. As far as

684
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: Walton knew, Smith was secretly dating a married politician at

685
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: the time, and so the day after Walton bailed her out,

686
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: Mayor paid him right back, saying the money was from

687
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: her secret boyfriend. Of course, we know how that works.

688
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: That is the confidence in con. Here's what he had

689
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: to say. Quote, I've been investigating con artists for the

690
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 2: past five years now, and I can tell you that

691
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: that is a huge red flag. That's called wetting your beak. Yep,

692
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: it's a technique scammers use. Once she pays me back,

693
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: I now have confidence in loaning her more money. She's

694
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: trustworthy in my mind, she's a woman of her word.

695
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: I feel comfortable loaning her more money down the line.

696
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: As you pointed out that even worked on al.

697
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: Capone mm hm, Smith kept up with the lies. Of course.

698
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: She said her evil family was working with a compromised

699
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: LA District attorney to freeze her bank accounts. She said

700
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: they were tapping her phones like she probably blamed Anthony Pelicano,

701
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 2: but I think he was in prison at that time anyway.

702
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: So Walton describes the dramatics of it all. Quote, every

703
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: time we would talk about the case, I would take

704
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: my phone in her phone and put it five hundred

705
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: feet away under a couch cushion. We would talk out

706
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: of earshot of the phones because they were tapping her phone.

707
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: You know. Of course looking back, that was just, but

708
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: it made it seem real, like I really thought, you know,

709
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: I've got to help this woman get what's rightfully hers.

710
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: Good job, Fox Molder. I want to believe.

711
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: Smith was beside herself because the Irish had frozen her accounts.

712
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 4: Darned the King of Ireland.

713
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: Cruel. I like making the Irish the faceless villains here

714
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: because it reminds me of on Sons of Anarchy, how

715
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: they like Ran going oh yeah for the Irish and

716
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: the Irish always doing something terrible to them, like all

717
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: of irony Irish the.

718
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 4: Irish, and also you don't ever hear it's always like,

719
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 4: oh the Russians are doing this, what about the Irish?

720
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: Get It's like our favorite Orson Wells quote, Ah, the French,

721
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: if you weren't familiar with that. Look it up faint

722
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: me later? Where was I the Irish bank accounts frozen

723
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 2: by the Irish? Walton did what friends do. We helped

724
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: her out, and by that I mean he kept lending

725
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: her money. You know, she seemed good for it. Let's

726
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: take a break and we come back. We'll just keep

727
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 2: telling this story.

728
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: Yeah it my beak is wet, all right, Zaren Elizabeth.

729
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: Saren the Irish. The Irish remember that bad season of

730
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: Sons of Anarchy where they went to Ireland. But it

731
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: looked suspiciously like San Bernardino County anyway, So Mayer's like,

732
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: oh my god, the Irish shows all my accounts. This

733
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: is how Walton tells, you know how Jonathan Walton Emmy

734
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: Award winning producer quote. I started loaning her money to

735
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: live on. I pay her rent. By then, she'd moved

736
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: into a fancier building where the rent was like six

737
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a month, and I paid her rent for

738
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: a couple of months, and then eventually she moves back

739
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: into our building, which was like three thousand dollars, and

740
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: I loaned her twenty something thousand to live on for

741
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: a couple months. You'd think I was worried, but I

742
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: wasn't at all because I believe she was going to

743
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: get her inheritance. And she was showing me emails and

744
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: text messages from her barristers saying that the case is

745
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: going to be resolved. Everything's looking good, she's happy. Then

746
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: one day she tells me all she needs is fifty

747
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for legal fees and court costs to make

748
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: the case go away and get her inheritance. Now, you know,

749
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: people are like, how can you be so stupid? Well,

750
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: have you ever hired a lawyer? When you go to

751
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: hire a lawyer? And I've had to hire lawyers for

752
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: contract stuff, for the work I do in the entertainment industry,

753
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: they want five thousand dollars ten thousand dollars on retainer,

754
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: and then there's probably more money down the line. Like

755
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: I know, lawyers are expensive. So when she tells me

756
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars, it didn't strike me as unbelievable. I

757
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: didn't have fifty thousand dollars in cash, but I did

758
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: have an eight forty credit score, so I let her

759
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: charge the fifty thousand dollars on credit cards using her

760
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: PayPal account to get the criminal case against her dropped,

761
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: thereby opening the pathway for her to secure six point

762
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: two five million dollars inheritance and pay me back. Oh honey, no,

763
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 2: say farewell to that eight forty buddy.

764
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 4: Oh god.

765
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he starts, he's paying her bills, paying her fees.

766
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: Then he gets a call from mayor.

767
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: What is the top creditscre Can you get like a

768
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 4: twelve hundred?

769
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 2: It was like eight fifteen.

770
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 4: I thought. I thought, he's like right at the top.

771
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: I got the perfect amount of credit line.

772
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 4: I don't know well enough. And you said the number.

773
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, I think that's near the top. But I'm like,

774
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: maybe it's like twelve hundred. I don't even know.

775
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: It's like the sat Yeah, who knows. So he gets

776
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: a call from mayor, collect call from County lock up. Okay,

777
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: And so.

778
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: You have a call from the inmate name.

779
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't fake those. So she said that the

780
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: judge was punishing her because she charged all of her

781
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: fees and bills for the criminal case through the credit cards,

782
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: and the judge said that was money laundering and for

783
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: that she'd have to do thirty days in jail to

784
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: teach her a lesson because that's totally how it works there.

785
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 4: That's exactly how it is. That's why I'm here going, okay,

786
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 4: teach you lessons.

787
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: That'll learn you good. In the court transcripts, we're going

788
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: to raise you up right. So Walton said, you know,

789
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: it's sit tight. I'm gonna come see you.

790
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 4: She tells him, no, please don't.

791
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: I don't want you to see me like this.

792
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 4: Embarrassing.

793
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm laid low nonsense, thought Walton. This woman is my

794
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: closest friend. I need to be there for her. So he,

795
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: you know, logged into the jail's website to schedule a visit.

796
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: And on the jail's website you can like set up

797
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: a visit time and you can also see what they're.

798
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 4: In for, and you can look up if they are in.

799
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 2: She's in there, and she's in there for felony Graham theft,

800
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 2: which is a one hundred percent not what she told him. Yes,

801
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: he heads to the courthouse, wants to see everything you

802
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: can about her case, and that's when he discovered that

803
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: she'd pled guilty to stealing two hundred thousand dollars. The

804
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: money that he loaned her went towards restitution and if

805
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: she hadn't paid it, she'd do in a nickel five years. Instead,

806
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: she only had to do thirty days because she paid

807
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: their institution with his money. So he goes home and

808
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: he has a total breakdown. Oh my god, his husband's

809
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: trying to comfort him. He's like beyond consolation. He's ruined.

810
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: But like every staunch hero or heroine in history, he

811
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: steeled himself.

812
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: Oh wow.

813
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: His sorrow and his pain turned to anger and a

814
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: desire for vengeance.

815
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 4: His heart caught fire.

816
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: Welcome to the dark Side, Jonathan, What I say? So?

817
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: Mayor would call him from jail and he'd act like

818
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: he didn't know anything, and so he said he was

819
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: still pretending that everything was cool. He's a quote. You know,

820
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: I did a lot of theater in high school. I

821
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: love this man. I love him. So he picked her

822
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: up from jail thirty days later, and then he confronts her,

823
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: and he also secretly recorded the conversation. So he tells

824
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: her like, if you don't pay me back everything, I'm

825
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: going to the cops. And she doesn't ever really like apologize,

826
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: she just offers more lip service. He knew, like's she's

827
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: never going to pay him back. So he goes to

828
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: the cops and he tells, you know everything he knows,

829
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: and they tell him we can't do anything. It's not

830
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 2: a crime because you willingly gave her the money, which

831
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: is not true. But he had one believer. One cop

832
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: says to him, quote, listen, they're only going to do

833
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: something about it if you call about your case every day.

834
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: Become a pain in their ass, or they're not going

835
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: to do anything. And I thank him for that because

836
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 2: that changed the trajectory of everything. I started calling every

837
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: day every time I found a new victim. I called

838
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: every time I found a new scam.

839
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: I called, huh so and that worked with the LAPD.

840
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: I doubt it, so he the guy's like, yeah, just

841
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: keep bothering call him like he's just trying to get

842
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: his buddy call and asked for detectives Aaron Burnett. That's

843
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: what I would do. He's just he loves this case

844
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: and he just wants to hear about it every day.

845
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: Walton also has he hired six private eyes to help

846
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: him dig into Smith's sack.

847
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 4: Six that's not cheap.

848
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: No, He's like, look, I got an eight forty credit score.

849
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: Stead's knocked down a little bit, but I'm just going

850
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: to keep right about Rackham. He reaches out to all

851
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 2: these other victims. He hopes that they'll file reports too.

852
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: Most of them decline either like they don't care or

853
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: they're ashamed of it. Of all of the ones that

854
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: he contacted, only two ever reported Smith to the police.

855
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 4: Jennifer Aniston.

856
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: And then there was a breakthrough. Walton remembered that he

857
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: had Smith's Aol account password. Homegirl was running around with

858
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: an AOL account Lee's. So he got into the account

859
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: and he found email addresses for the Irish cousins Finton,

860
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: Tristan and Dharmu. And he used the same password that

861
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: he knew to try to get into those email accounts

862
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 2: on Gmail and Outlook. It worked, bubbaba bingos. So he

863
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: opened the accounts of Jennifer Aniston, Ashley Judd and like

864
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: other digital aliases, twenty three separate email personas, including one

865
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: of him.

866
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 4: I can't even read in the emails I get for

867
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 4: what exactly?

868
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: You know we can't twenty three We can't get the

869
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 2: interns to answer emails. Yeah, no, it's ridiculous. They print

870
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: them out and they put them on that corkboard, and

871
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: I go and like flip through and I'm just like,

872
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I can't get into there to

873
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 2: answer people.

874
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

875
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: Also, well we read them, they just nobody answered anyway.

876
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: So twenty three email addresses. On April fifth, twenty eighteen,

877
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: Smith gets arrested and charged with grand theft. Finally it sticks.

878
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: She's also facing felony charges of grand theft as well

879
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: as fraud in Florida and Tennessee. Because, like the dominoes

880
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 2: starts falling in connect her to stuff. This is what

881
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: Walton posted on Instagram. Quote, I'm a happily married gay man,

882
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: so she couldn't use sex to ensnare me. Her techniques

883
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: were far more cunning. She scammed nearly one hundred thousand

884
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: dollars out of me using a series of brilliant confidence

885
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: tricks over four years. I fell hard for one of

886
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: the oldest cons in the book, the Inherited scam. But

887
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: this wasn't some Nigerian prince soliciting me through email. This

888
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 2: was a delightful and lovable woman who inextricably inserted herself

889
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 2: into my life and became my best friend.

890
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's like a softer Spanish prisoner.

891
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And she she's not doing the birth of

892
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: the Big birth of like you know exactly. This is

893
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: what Elsie said. He's a quote. I'm a reality TV producer.

894
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: I've worked on shows like American Ninja Warrior for NBC.

895
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: It's a shout out to you, and Shark Tank for ABC.

896
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: You'll get on the show one day.

897
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 4: One day if dreams can come through and wipe out, yeah,

898
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 4: call me wipeout.

899
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: You have to go on that show. But the most

900
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: spectacular reality show I've ever been a part of had

901
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: no camera shooting it and no network airing it and

902
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: no viewers watching it. Just a devious con artist secretly

903
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: plying her craft in the shadows and dozens of unsuspecting

904
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: victims like myself quietly falling prey.

905
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 4: It was the reality show called Me, and they only

906
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 4: had one viewer, my poor husband.

907
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: So she gets arrested, she gets released on bond. A

908
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: month before her trial. She accused Walton of physically threatening

909
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: her because she wanted a restraining order because she figured

910
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: if I get that, then he can't be in the

911
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: same room as me, so he won't be able to

912
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 2: testify the judge. That's true, that's not how it works.

913
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: The judge is like no, first of all, No, second

914
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: of all, No.

915
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 4: We can work that out. Yeah, we've come across this

916
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: problem before.

917
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: But the whole restraining order thing cost Walton fifteen hundred

918
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: dollars in legal fees of course, so like dude can't

919
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: catch a break. This is what he said. Quote. The

920
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 2: problem with the criminal justice system is she's on trial

921
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: for scamming me, Right, That's all we're allowed to talk

922
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: about in the trial. I'm not allowed to talk about

923
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: any of these other victims she's scammed. No prior bad

924
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: acts is the legal term in the United States. I

925
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: do manage while I'm testifying to work in a lot

926
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: of other scams that I've heard. Her attorney objected and

927
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: the judge usually struck it from the record, but the

928
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: jury had already heard it by that point, so the

929
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: story is left to Mark regardless.

930
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 4: Oh, way to go, lawn order. I'm also surprised that

931
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: she wasn't like leans against people where they don't even

932
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 4: know that she's Suddenly they go to sell their house

933
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 4: and they can't get out she owns the house soon.

934
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some sneaky sneakies.

935
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 4: I'm surprised to friend used to do that. He was terrible.

936
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: We're not friends anymore.

937
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, So after going through the evidence and receiving testimony,

938
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: four victims, multiple witness statements, the jury finds are guilty

939
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: on all charges. Her own daughter said quote, I think

940
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: that she's a very troubled person who has used her

941
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: intelligence malevolently and the things that she has been accused of.

942
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely disgusted by.

943
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: A poor Chelse.

944
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: Well, there's plenty to be disgusted by, yes, because like

945
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: Mayor's daughter, Chelsea was fathered by Jeff Welch Okay, He

946
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: and Smith had another daughter, Courtney, and Courtney died in

947
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: twenty twelve of cystic fibrosis when she was in her

948
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: early twenties. Absolutely tragic. Mayor used photos of Courtney to

949
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: scam sixteen thousand dollars via a gofund me page that

950
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: she created. This is what Jeff Welch had to say, quote,

951
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: seeing this go fundme page, there was a picture of

952
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: my daughter. Smith raised over sixteen thousand dollars telling people

953
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 2: that she had a sick child. That made me sick

954
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: to my stomach. I can't believe that someone would do

955
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: something like that. It was very, very apparent that she

956
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: had no interest in being a mother or a wife.

957
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: After I became aware of all these stories of people

958
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: being scammed, it was such a big shock to learn

959
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: I was married to somebody that has done this much

960
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: damage to so many people.

961
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 4: She wasn't even interested in being a human being. No,

962
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 4: she was basically a financial suckuit, like a dark spirit.

963
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: Me take that.

964
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: Yes, after the four day trial, she gets sentenced to

965
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 2: five years, but she got released early in December twenty

966
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: twenty because of COVID protocols and safety regulations. So Walton,

967
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: he said, quote in California, they're releasing a lot of

968
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: nonviolent criminals, tens of thousands of them, and she was

969
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: one of them. Once she's out, she goes straight to Maine,

970
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: her home state, which is about three thousand miles away

971
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: from California. Literally the furthest point she could get. From me,

972
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm still hearing from victims there that she's scamming. She

973
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: changed her name again, but nothing else has changed. She's

974
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: still scamming people and getting away with it.

975
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 4: Scams.

976
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. So she was supposed to be extradited to Northern

977
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: Ireland when she got out of jail, so that she

978
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: could face charges there. About the twenty people in their

979
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 2: mortgage deposits. But remember COVID, the borders were closed. Oh

980
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 2: so off she went. So where is she now? Sarin

981
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 2: still church, She still faces extradition in Northern Ireland after

982
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: their Public Prosecution Service decided to bring a case against her.

983
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: It was like a you know, a five hundred thousand

984
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: pounds mortgage scam.

985
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 4: Totally.

986
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: It's believed that she's located somewhere in Bangor, Maine, but

987
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: it's not confirmed. That information isn't confirmed. Walton says that

988
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: she's still running cons she's faking mental illness and attempting

989
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: to get a mentally ill man to marry her. Quote,

990
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: he was in his late seventies and he's six, so

991
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: he's not going to live much longer.

992
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 4: I thought it was just anyone she wanted.

993
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: She pretended to have the same mental illness he did.

994
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. He used to be

995
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: in the Navy. He fought a couple of wars and

996
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: he's on disability, so he's he's making like five thousand

997
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: dollars a month in retirement and Social Security and veterans

998
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: disability because he served in the military. She wanted to

999
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: marry him so that when he dies, that money is hers.

1000
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: He told me that she kept pressuring him to get

1001
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: married again. She was saying all the right things. At

1002
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: one point, she even brings in paperwork for him to

1003
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: sign so they can get married, but he wouldn't do it. Eventually,

1004
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: he notices that the name she told him and the

1005
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: name on her prescription model don't match. So he googles

1006
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: her and guess what, he finds my blog and he

1007
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: calls me to tell me his story. That blog, by

1008
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 2: the way, is Jonathan Walton dot com. He tells everyone

1009
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 2: Jonathan Walton dot com all the time, ye one hundred percent,

1010
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: and it's j O h n a.

1011
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: T hijeh com.

1012
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 2: He said.

1013
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 4: Quote.

1014
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: Mayor is what the FBI calls a rescue merchant. She

1015
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: offers to help people. That was her way into everyone's life.

1016
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: For me, it was offering to help with the pool.

1017
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: I don't feel sorry for her because I don't consider

1018
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: her a human being. She's scammed so many people, including

1019
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: her own daughters, her own family. Even the most notorious

1020
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: mobster in America, who's murdered scores of people and has

1021
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: blood on his hands, even he loves his family. He

1022
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: looks out for his children. You know, this woman does

1023
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: not have that ability. In my mind, she's not a

1024
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: human being. She has no empathy, no remorse for anyone

1025
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: or anything.

1026
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: I probably agree that she's on I don't know the

1027
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: scales a psycho or sociopathy, but I imagine she's somewhere

1028
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: on the scale, Like, I don't get a feeling from anybody.

1029
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: And how did he feel about falling victim to this psycho?

1030
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: How did he feel?

1031
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: Quote? This guy is so quotable that I can't I

1032
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: couldn't break him down. Yeah, so quote. Honestly, I wouldn't

1033
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: believe a word of it if it didn't happen to me. Initially,

1034
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: I just felt forsaken by God, Like why would this

1035
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: happen to me? I'm a good person. I've done nothing

1036
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: but help people my whole life. But then as the

1037
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: months and now years have passed, I realized it was

1038
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: meant to happen to me. This is what I was

1039
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: meant to do. I know that sharing my story is

1040
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: helping people. I hear that directly from them, and it

1041
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: makes me feel that I was meant to go through

1042
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: what I went through. By the time I'm done with her,

1043
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: the world will know her face and she'll never be

1044
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: able to scam anyone again.

1045
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 4: Damn way to find the dawn in that darkness.

1046
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: Right, So he and his production partner m AK Pictures,

1047
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 2: they're currently shopping the story of his experiences with Smith would.

1048
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 4: Be streaming soon at some sime.

1049
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 2: Of course, because of course, founder of Gwen Global terrees

1050
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: test catchatory. I just wanted to say her name. Wants

1051
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: to intersperse some facts from the Smith case into an

1052
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: original scripted series because of course, producer Mark thinking about

1053
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: a lifetime pitch. Because of course, of course, this is

1054
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: how Walton sum things up quote, I'm forever changed by

1055
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: my experience of getting conned. I'm now suspicious of everyone

1056
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 2: and everything. I will suss out even the most miniscule

1057
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: inconsistencies in someone's story upon meeting them and throw it

1058
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: in their face. I spent two years doggedly pursuing Maryann Smith.

1059
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 2: It consumed me and I had to file bankruptcy because

1060
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: of what she'd done to me. And the twenty four

1061
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: court appearances I made even before the actual trial, including continuances,

1062
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: pre trial motions and hearings, meant I had to miss

1063
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: a lot of work and lost even more money, not

1064
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: to mention the cost of hiring six private investigators in

1065
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 2: multiple states and countries to ferret out all her scams.

1066
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: But damn it was worth it. And again, Zaren, that's

1067
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: j O H N A t h A n w

1068
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: A L t O N dot com Jonathan Walton for

1069
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: more information. He is He's on a crusade and we

1070
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 2: have to support him.

1071
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: I'm down.

1072
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaway?

1073
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 4: Normally when I hear the name Jonathan Walton, I think

1074
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 4: of little house on the Prairie, But now I have

1075
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: all a whole different way. I'm imagining what Walton can

1076
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: mean for me. What's yours, Elizabeth, what's your ridiculous takeway?

1077
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: Thanks for asking. My ridiculous takeaway is don't trust anyone ever.

1078
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 4: Case close done. It's simple, it's clear, it's concise.

1079
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: Best advice ever. That's it for today. You can find

1080
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: us online at ridiculous Crime dot com, at Ridiculous Crime

1081
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: on both Twitter and Instagram. Email Ridiculous Crime at gmail

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Speaker 2: by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnette, produced and edited by

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Speaker 2: Dave Cousten. The Finest Last in County Claire Research is

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Speaker 2: by upstanding psychics Marissa Brown and Andrea Song Sharpen Tear.

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Speaker 2: The theme song is by Irish cousins Thomas Lee and

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Speaker 2: Travis Dutton. Post wardrobe is provided by Botany five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Executive producers are Ben I'm about to inherit seventy million books,

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