1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: boxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR, boom Up America 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fue Sports Radio. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: Doo Doo Doo doo do do dude? Hey, welcome in. 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: It's the DG Show. 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: My man Dan Byer's back from guest hosting other shows. 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: The whole crew is here. We're excited to have you. 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: It's a Thursday, which means we got don't call it 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: a throwback Thursday does mean we missed our Wednesday midway, 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: which I love and I had it. I know you 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: guys did it. I didn't do it because I wasn't 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: here and I'm mad about it. I had a great midway. 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: What did you guys do? The midway on Jase Too? 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: Damn Bayer came up with a great concept. I think 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: I think I will Sam after after it said that 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: was fun. 21 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 4: A great job. Yeah, it was a great job. 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: What was it? 23 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on great? 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: You don't even. 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 4: Remember exciting plays in sports? Off the heels of the 26 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 4: inside the park, home run, walking off great, Yeah, that 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: we had on Tuesday night. What are the most exciting 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 4: plays in all of sports? 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: That's funny. That was not at all where I was 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: going with it. I was not in any way it 31 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: was where I was going with it. I mean really, 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: I was going somewhere where trying to figure out if 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking about travel for the summer, would you 34 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: rather do be a tourist, stay at hotels, maybe move 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: around hotels, or would you rather do the verbo airbnb 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: thing where then you just stayed a place for a 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: week and you become like a Greek citizen for a week, 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: which is more your stuff. 39 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 2: But we'll have to pocket that one for next week. 40 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: For next week. 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: Anyway, we got a great show for you this just 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: in that you may that you may have heard Jalen 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Williams signs an extension, so the with the champion Oklahoma 44 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: City Thunder. So now the Big three for the Thunder 45 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: Thunder on the hook for somewhere in the neighborhood of 46 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty million dollars between three players over 47 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: the next however many years those max contracts, right, is 48 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: that those numbers are obscene, and you know, I the thunder, 49 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I feel like this is what we have 50 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: to do. We have to keep these three guys and 51 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: then all the other ancillary parts. We do the best 52 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: we can, and if not, we'll use those draft picks 53 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: to kind of manipulate and get the best young players 54 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: we can. So those extensions I don't think going to 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: effect for another year, so they're still able to add 56 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: some pieces and do some cute math. But eventually you 57 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: get to the place where if any three of those 58 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: players get hurt, now you're where the where the Celtics 59 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: are where you got to think, okay, we can't really 60 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: truly compete at the top of the league that particular year. 61 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: But let's get to this kind of a weird story 62 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: of the week. Ah, Pablo Torre and Mike Florio And 63 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: again Pablo is he's very smart. He went to Harvard 64 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: just you know, like anybody. If you want to know 65 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: how he went to Harvard, wait, they'll tell you or 66 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: they'll wear a Harvard sweatshirt. But super bright guys. Mike 67 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: is a lawyer, and so somehow they got this information 68 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: that there was an alleged a collusion between owners and 69 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: the commissioner to have occurred after the Deshaun Watson contract 70 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: was signed and that trade was agreed to, while no 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: collusion was found and there was no case against them. 72 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: Now it's been discovered there was a secret agreement between 73 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: the head of the players union and Roger Goodell. And 74 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: as you may have heard if you were listening to 75 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: Dan Byer and his update, there is now a growing 76 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: petition by NFL players to get the head of the 77 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: union to resign under pressure. I think the problem with 78 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: it is we don't know, like so he's got to 79 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: resign because there's collusion, but it wasn't deemed to be 80 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: collusion by uh by an investigation, but it was boardline 81 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: and borderline inappropriate. And so there was some sort of agreement, 82 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: secret agreement which is no longer secret, which was in place, 83 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: and because it was kept secret from the players, then 84 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: the union head muscow right buyer. That's how I that's 85 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: how I I read this thing. You know again, My 86 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: thing is this again a bit of a maa coopa 87 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: with Pablo and with Florio because they've been all over 88 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: this thing. But I also think that there's a world 89 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: where any of us who were in real time, in 90 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: real time discussing the Deshaun Watson fully guaranteed contract, we 91 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: all said, this is a bad idea. Again, And I 92 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: don't know the wording of any of these texts that 93 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: were sent or any discussions that were had, but the 94 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: reality is having fully multi year, fully guaranteed contracts for 95 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: NFL players would be an. 96 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: Absolute abject disaster. 97 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: It's hard enough in the NBA, consider that in football 98 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: you just don't have that grade of a window and 99 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: you're literally one play away from never having a career 100 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: or walking again. It just it doesn't feel like it's 101 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: collusion to go, hey, guys, this might not be the 102 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: best idea to give a five year, guaranteed, no cut 103 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: contract to somebody who's accused of sexual assault forty times 104 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: plus and oh yeah, by the way, he suffered two 105 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: ACL injuries in his life and now you know at 106 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: the end of that contract they've had to redo it 107 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: because you can't get out of it. And he suffered 108 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: too Achilles tenantaries like this stuff and by the way, 109 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: not that good. So this is not be being pro 110 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: owner or pro player. I don't have it by head 111 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: in the sand. Again, it's just really hard to decipher, 112 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: like we're making a big deal and accusing the owners 113 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: and Goodell of collusion when it was reviewed and it 114 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: did not meet the pre preponderance of evidence that would 115 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: have taken to go to trial. So there is no 116 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: true collusion, even if there's some borderline stuff there and 117 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: they you know, they pushed their oh yeah, by the way, 118 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: in the time since that deal while there has and 119 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: that wasn't the first ever fully guaranteed contract. Kirk Cousins 120 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: had a fully guaranteed contract. It was only for three years, 121 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: and that's what players are gonna end up running into, right. 122 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: There has to be a balance there, and if if 123 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: Pablo Torre and Mike Florio aren't willing to admit that, 124 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: there has to be lessons learned by NFL teams from 125 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: the disaster, which is the Deshaun Watson contract. That is, 126 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: anyone who will this is this reminds me by the 127 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: way of when uh Durell Revis was with the Jets 128 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: and ultimately got traded. I think he had traded to 129 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and what happened was the Jets 130 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: were telling Durell Rivas, we think you're the best cornerback 131 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: in the league. 132 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: So he held out. 133 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: He's like, fine, I need to be paid like the 134 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: best cornerback in the league, like Namdi ASMOI Namdias. Well, 135 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: I made sixteen million at the time, the next highest 136 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: paid cornerback was twelve million dollars per year. And my 137 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: point then, which is my point now, is you're gonna 138 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: use that as an example, Hey, you gotta pay me 139 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: sixteen million. Well, it was a terrible contract. Why would 140 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: I mimic a terrible contract? And if I'm an NFL owner, 141 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: I would say the same thing about Deshaun Watson. Why 142 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: would I minmic one of the worst, if not the 143 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: worst contract in the history of sports. 144 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: Explain that to me, you wouldn't. 145 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: And if Roger Goodell is reiterating like this is not 146 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: good for business, I don't know how you defend the 147 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson contract. 148 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: I just do not. 149 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: So I'm not pro owner, I'm not anti player. And 150 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: in the time since the Deshaun Watson contract, the guarantees 151 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: have continued to go up. The money has continued to 152 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: go up. And if there was collusion. They're doing a 153 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: terrible job of it, terrible job of buyer. Did I 154 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: read these things incorrectly in terms of we don't totally know, 155 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: We don't know what Goodell or owners are alleged to 156 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: have said. We only know what they were accused of collusion, 157 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: and it did not read the threat and did not 158 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: meet the threshold for a lawsuit going forward. Yet there 159 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: is this clandestine meeting between NFLBA and NFL that was 160 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: agreed to, which's like, hey, this is not a great look, 161 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: let's not discuss it. 162 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: Here's some sort of agreement. 163 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and Doug I had to step away just because 164 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 4: of the Jalen Williams news, so I didn't hear your 165 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: whole piece about it. I feel that the Players Association, 166 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 4: in the group of players are up in arms a 167 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 4: hundred times more than probably anybody else should be in 168 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 4: terms of or anybody else is in wondering why was 169 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 4: this hidden? Why do the owners collude? And then now 170 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 4: why is their executive director of other ties to other places? 171 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 4: I think everybody health actually probably would fall in line 172 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 4: with the owners not saying that players shouldn't make as 173 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 4: much as they want, but that do we really want 174 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,119 Speaker 4: teams to be giving fully guaranteed contracts that could handcuff 175 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 4: them in future years if it doesn't work out like 176 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: it did with the Cleveland Browns. And so I think 177 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 4: that I think that the players have every right to 178 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 4: be mad. I just don't know if there's going to 179 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: be enough people to support what the players did or 180 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 4: what the players are mad about. Considering it did seem 181 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: that the owners did collude, but I think that colluding 182 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 4: on that certain topic is probably best overall for the league. 183 00:10:54,679 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. Again, there's a there's a 184 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: gray area between outright collusion, okay, and discussing what's smart business. Right, Yes, 185 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: there's a gray area, and I feel like this has 186 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: to have fallen into that gray area, which is really 187 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: the which is why there was no lawsuit. So again, 188 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, and if we read the text and 189 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, by all means don't give them guaranteed contracts, 190 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: suppress there. But if that wording was in there, there 191 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: would be a lawsuit. There's not, you know. 192 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I also think that, and I am 193 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 4: not as well versed, so this is just an amateur guess, 194 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 4: but I would also think that the reason why the 195 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 4: NFLPA didn't go public with this is because they thought 196 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 4: maybe down the road that if he did have guaranteed contracts, 197 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: it would hurt a portion of their union, maybe not 198 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 4: the top end guys. And it's kind of what makes 199 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 4: the end it is what makes the NFL's union so weak, 200 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 4: is that there's such a disparity between the top end 201 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: guys and everybody else. 202 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, they call those guys, they call everybody else the 203 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: rank and file. Yes, right, So the rank and file 204 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: needs to collect checks for as long as they can 205 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: collect checks for because their checks are not what the 206 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are, the wide receivers are, the defensive ends are. 207 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: You know, the guys we talk about are the guys 208 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna make so much money that yeah, maybe they 209 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: make a couple million dollars less, but it's not gonna 210 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: affect them. The guys we don't talk about the offense 211 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: of the other you know, the backup tackles, you know, 212 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: the backup running backs, the fifth wide receiver, the nickel corner, 213 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: like those are the guys that are just as important 214 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: to the union. Any union is like that, right. That's 215 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: that's the part that people don't realize about unions. Unions 216 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: have to think of the rank and file first, operating 217 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: under the idea that whoever's at the very top of 218 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: the food chain, they're good. And if you're going to 219 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: sacrifice anything, sacrifice that because it's just a numbers game, right, 220 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: This is a numbers game. 221 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 4: If you're paying the top end guys, it seems like, okay, great, 222 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 4: but someone ends up having to take a hit on 223 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 4: the other end. And I believe in the most recent 224 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 4: CBA a lot of middle guys who could spend six 225 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 4: or seven years in the league are gone because it's 226 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 4: just easier to go with the twenty two to twenty 227 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 4: three year old rookie at that price. So I think 228 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 4: as the union, that would be my guess on why 229 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 4: it was kept quiet. And while yeah, the owners did this, 230 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 4: but if you started to allow guaranteed contracts for everybody, 231 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 4: then maybe you're pricing out a portion of your union. 232 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: Stuck Ott lip Show here on Fox Sports. 233 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 4: Just a guess. 234 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: Again, And my guess is that it's in that gray 235 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: area of what's good business what's not good business for 236 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: all of us. Let's look at the Deshaun Watson thing. Yeah, 237 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: as bad business, bad for business and we probably shouldn't 238 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: do that. 239 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: Again. I think it would have been easy for those teams, 240 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 4: Kyler Murray and the Cardinals, or easy for those agents 241 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 4: to ask for what Deshaun Watson got considering everything that, 242 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 4: all the baggage that came with him, and then it's 243 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 4: difficult to negotiate off of that. And Kyler Murray maybe 244 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: would have warranted it, maybe he would have been worthy 245 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: of it. And while it sucks for Kyler Murray, I 246 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 4: think there is a domino effect that it isn't good 247 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: for the National Football League and it isn't necessarily good 248 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: for fans. That's why I feel kind of the players 249 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 4: are a bit out on an island and all of 250 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 4: this as well, because I think parody is one of 251 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: the things that drives the NFL and now the ability 252 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 4: to turn things around quickly. And if you're saddled by 253 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 4: bad contracts because you have stupid owner, I don't know 254 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 4: if that's good for the overall portion of the league. 255 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: Well, I also think you mentioned parody. I don't know 256 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: if it's as much about parody as much as I 257 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: do think that even though it's more perception than reality 258 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: in terms of players playing for their checks, and not 259 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: being guaranteed money. 260 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: Reality is NFL players are. 261 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: Guaranteed a substantial sum of their salary substantial sum, but 262 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: the perception is they're not, which I think makes them 263 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: somebody that we want to cheer for as as fans 264 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: as well. Hey, whereas NBA players they are fully guaranteed contracts, 265 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: there's a perception there of they don't have to play 266 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: hard because they're still. 267 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: Getting paid anyway. 268 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: So I do think that there's some added other benefits 269 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: to having the perception not being up with the reality 270 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: in terms of guaranteed contracts. 271 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 5: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 272 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 5: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 273 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 274 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. John metalcalffelll join us 275 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: after we get an update from Dan Byer. Coach Prime's 276 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: making some some waves and Dion's an interesting one man. 277 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: Like as much as I think everybody would expect him 278 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: to be, Hey, pay the players as much as they 279 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: can actually make. Uh, and then some just money, money, money, money, money. 280 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: The fact is, if you actually listen to many of 281 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: the things he says, whether they apply to Colorado or not. 282 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: It's about what we college coaches call the right things. 283 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: You know, guys have to earn things. Guys should stay 284 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: at their schools. A degree has a value to them, 285 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: and yeah, they should make some money. But like, let's 286 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: not go crazy here. A lot of these guys. 287 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:58,119 Speaker 2: Are getting paid. 288 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: For some that we hope they can do and it's 289 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: not true anil. Here's Dion talking about nil in college football. 290 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 6: I wish it was a cat, you know, like the 291 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 6: top of the line player makes this, and if you're 292 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 6: not that type of guy, you know you're not gonna 293 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 6: make that. That's what the NFL does. So the problem 294 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 6: is you got a guy that's not that durn good, 295 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 6: but he could go to another school and they give 296 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 6: him a half a million dollars that you can't you 297 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 6: can't compete with that. That don't make sense. Say, all 298 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 6: you have to do is look at the playoffs and 299 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 6: see what those teams spent. And you understand, during the 300 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 6: white end the playoffs, it's kind of hard to compete 301 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 6: with somebody who's giving twenty five thirty million dollars of 302 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 6: during freshman class, right, It's crazy. The teams that pays 303 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 6: the more pays the most is gonna be then it. 304 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: I mean, he's right, you know, it's like, well, no, no, 305 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: he's right. I mean even Indiana, who I didn't think 306 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: should have been in the College Baball Playoff, they spent 307 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: a ton of money in order to get there in 308 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: terms of their personnel. 309 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: The new. 310 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: Agreement is supposed to have a cap on spending twenty 311 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: two million dollars. And you know, I think thirteen of 312 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: it's supposed to go to college to football. But you 313 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: can also add in anil which is sometimes real sometimes 314 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: not nil. In college basketball. I got all but three 315 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: picks right, and I picked every game based upon who's 316 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: spent the most money. 317 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: That's it. 318 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: So it is really the haves and the have nots. 319 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: And the part he didn't discuss is that the other 320 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: real world discussion that isn't at is, Hey, you do 321 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: realize that a lot of schools were going to lose 322 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: some Olympic sports because if you want to compete in 323 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: the revenue generating sports, that money is not coming. You're 324 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: not making tons of profit at Max schools, not making 325 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: tons of profit at all these other schools of football. 326 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: You're not making a huge money if you don't have football. 327 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: You're still trying to pay to play in basketball, women's basketball, 328 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: and potentially football. That means you're not going to be 329 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: able to fully fund properly Olympic sports. But he's just 330 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: talking about competitive balance, says it's lacking because there's no cap. 331 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: John Milcoffe joints just three and outs to the podcast. 332 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: He spent some time in Fresno State in college football 333 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: before moving on to the NFL before moving on to 334 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: becoming a star podcaster. What do you think of what 335 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: Dion said? 336 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 7: Well, I followed that a lot of the comments pretty closely. 337 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 7: Kenny Dillingham had some two you know Texas Tech. You 338 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 7: know you're a got some big twelve roots. They have 339 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 7: that oil guy that's former players. They have spent big 340 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 7: time money. And Dellingham was saying yesterday like guys, be ready, 341 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 7: this team is gonna be really, really good. And essentially 342 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 7: what he's saying is like they broke the bank this 343 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 7: offseason when it came to football and they had arguably 344 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 7: the best transfer portal class. You know, you're in it now, 345 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 7: and I know it's different than like you know, Ohio State, 346 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 7: Michigan and Alabama, like recruiting and stuff football wise. But 347 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 7: whenever I see like this guy's a great recruiter, I 348 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 7: think that used to really matter, like ed Ojeron or 349 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 7: Coosh or some of these guys in football, especially like 350 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 7: when I was in high school or in college in 351 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,239 Speaker 7: the two thousands, that there is no such thing as 352 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 7: a great recruiter anymore, Like are you paying the most money? 353 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 7: And like you said, even when the cap comes, like 354 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 7: in the NFL, if I'm giving whoever an extension TJ 355 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 7: Watt or Travis Kelcey or obviously the quarterbacks the whatever 356 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 7: they're gonna make State Farm or Chevy, and that has 357 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 7: nothing to do with anything with the team. Where if 358 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 7: Kirby Smart goes, well, hey what even once this gap comes, 359 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 7: I can pay you. Let's let's just take a number 360 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 7: five hundred thousand dollars with the cap, but I can 361 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 7: also get you half a million dollars in nil, like 362 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 7: he's part of that. Like the other schools don't have 363 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 7: that capabilia Ohio State. I mean, there's there's a group 364 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 7: of fifteen twenty that it's only going to continue to separate. 365 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 7: Now you could argue, you know, in college football, college 366 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 7: basketball could be a little random right because of the tournament, 367 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 7: where in football, on the aggregate of the season, typically 368 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 7: the same team's year and year out, give or take, 369 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 7: are competing. That that's only going to continue to separate. 370 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 7: But now it's so conference aligned because of the SEC 371 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 7: money and the Big ten TV money, the advantages they have, 372 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 7: They've always had advantages. Now it's only separated. Why Texas 373 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 7: Tech can even you know, dream of competing is because 374 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 7: they have I don't know their version, it's not quite 375 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 7: it's not apples apples, but like a Phil Knight or 376 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 7: you at Oklahoma State, like you have to have a 377 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 7: special individual with huge money to even be in the 378 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 7: conversation or else you really got no shot. 379 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: I completely agree. 380 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: And recruiting, Recruiting does matter. Recruiting does matter. Okay, you 381 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: still have to connect with the kid. You have to 382 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: pay for them a vision. You're not They're not always going, 383 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: not all of them go to where the top dollar is. 384 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 2: You know. 385 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: I think again, high level football, high major football, high 386 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: major basketball a little different than what we're doing. But 387 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: you still are recruiting, and some of it is you 388 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: got to recruit at our level. Recruit guys you're not 389 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: going to get you know, like I'll just be honest 390 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: with you, John, I'm recruiting the top twenty kids the 391 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: class of twenty twenty six in the state of Wisconsin. 392 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm recruiting all twenty top the ones I've evaluated is 393 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: the top twenty. 394 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: I'm recruiting all of them. 395 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: There's only one that I've offered a scholarship to, and 396 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit above our level, but 397 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: I think this would be a level where he can 398 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 1: come in and play initially, and then I'm only going 399 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: to say I told him. I gave him till the 400 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: end of the July cycle. We offered him like almost 401 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: a year ago, and then after that, and now I'll 402 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: start offering because he's the guy I want to build around. 403 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 2: Like the recruiting class. Anyway. 404 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: Point is, I know I'm not gonna get all of them. 405 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: I'm not going to offer all of them, but I 406 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: want them to get to know me, and I want 407 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: to get to know them that way. In a year, 408 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: in two years, in three years, when they hit the 409 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: transfer portal, which many of the high percentages are, then 410 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: there's already a relationship there and I already know if 411 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: I want him, if I don't want him. He already 412 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: knows if he likes me or doesn't like me. 413 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: So it does. 414 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 7: And that was a big advantage for UCLA a couple 415 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 7: of years ago when Chip the two years ago, they 416 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 7: had a really solid defense. A lot of those guys 417 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 7: had transferred. They were from la you know, from Michigan 418 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 7: or whatever. It came home. So I totally understand what 419 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 7: you're talking. That's where you're right recruiting. But that's different, right, 420 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 7: You're like recruiting for their second recruiting cycle. It's just 421 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 7: a different world. 422 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: It's a it's a totally different world. Let's get to 423 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: some of Let's get to the the collusion thing. Okay, 424 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: we don't know the details of it. And I do 425 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: know that because you got Florio, who is a lawyer, 426 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: uh and you have Pablo, who is you know, a 427 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: Harvard dude, brilliant like a lawyer that you know there's 428 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: something there. But there's a there's a fine line between, hey, 429 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: this is not good business to give to Shaun Watson 430 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: a five year guaranteed contract in this sport, especially and 431 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: outright collusion which is suppressing wages and limiting the guarantees. 432 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: What do you think really happened between the union and 433 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: the owners after Deshaun Watson signed his deal. 434 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean to me, I read a couple of headlines. 435 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 7: I'm like, I don't really see anyone. To me, collusion 436 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 7: typically is someone getting royally screwed, and I didn't really 437 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 7: see anyone getting royally screwed here. The other thing is 438 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 7: like Tyler Murray, well, you know one of those texts 439 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 7: was like a good job, Michael on signing that deal. Well, 440 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 7: Kyler didn't have to sign the deal, right, no one 441 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 7: was forcing him. It was after his third year. He 442 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 7: could have played it out again, like, no one's forcing 443 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 7: any of these people to sign deals. And the other 444 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 7: thing when it comes, you know, specifically out of the 445 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 7: conversation was around the quarterbacks. How often new quarterbacks not 446 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 7: see like the majority of their contract. It's very very 447 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 7: rare that, you know. Russell Wilson is an example of 448 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 7: like got cut way short. Now his guaranteed money was 449 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 7: so high. He's still got a ton of money, But like, 450 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 7: did Tyler get screwed? Last time I checked, He's made 451 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 7: like a couple hundred million dollars the last three four years. 452 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 7: So it's like, I see everyone getting rich in this 453 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 7: business model and you've been through way more negotiations in 454 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 7: your life than me. I mean, isn't when I read 455 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 7: some of these conversations, Like my first talk was, you know, 456 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 7: my dad was a farmer for a long time. Dealt 457 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 7: with banks is not just called business, I mean, but 458 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 7: I just it'd be one thing if the wages or 459 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 7: something hadn't gone dramatically up. But from my advantage point, 460 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 7: it feels like everyone I would say that there's not 461 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 7: a business in the history of America that's created more 462 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 7: millionaires when coaches, players, obviously, owners, people involved, help people 463 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 7: on the outside, media members when it comes to football, 464 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 7: and business continues to just roll. So I to me, 465 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 7: it was it was more of like, yeah, this is 466 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 7: means nothing. I didn't do anything for me. But again, 467 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 7: I'm not those stories. 468 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: I totally I totally agree that it's like we're chasing 469 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: something like oh, yeah, they're the bad guys. Like yeah, 470 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: I again, if you remember when Kyler Murray signed the 471 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: new deal, you know, it was after Kyler Murray had 472 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: been accused of playing call of duty too much? 473 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: Right, is this a guy we really want? And oh yeah? 474 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: But it was also if you remember coming off an 475 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: injury too, an't he? 476 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 7: Uh No, I think he got injured the next year, 477 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 7: or maybe he did. I can't even remember, but it 478 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 7: was after a third year, like the first time you 479 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 7: can negotiate with a with the with the first rounders. Yeah, 480 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 7: and like they didn't have to do that like other quarterbacks. 481 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 7: Hel Lamar didn't get a contract then. But the other 482 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 7: thing is we act like kind of murder. Was the 483 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 7: number one overall pick, he had already signed like a 484 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 7: forty million dollar contract, then he got another two hundred 485 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 7: plus million dollar contract. I just don't think anyone on 486 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 7: the outside, mainly the consumer who usually drives a lot 487 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 7: of these, like if they're all into this, it's like, well, 488 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 7: who's who's really getting screwed here? And I think most 489 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 7: of us come to the conclusion that nobody really. 490 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is the Dug Outlive Show. It is 491 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, Dallas Cowboys, Michaeh Parsons. You know, it 492 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: does feel like, you know, he's playing on the fifth 493 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: year option. What I mean, we all it's funny. Most 494 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: people think he'll be a free agentcy the end of 495 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: the year. 496 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 2: He won't. They can franchise tag. 497 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: Him Jerry, of course, could have signed him last offseason, 498 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: did not, says he'd rather wait and pay more than 499 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: pay too much to a guy he doesn't want. 500 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: Where do you think we are with Parsons and the Cowboys? 501 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 7: To me, that's super far about waiting and to pay more. 502 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 7: It's like seedy Lamb and Michael Parsons, Jerry where your 503 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 7: draft picks. You've been around these guys every day for 504 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 7: whatever five years. I mean, what's for you waiting? You've 505 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 7: seen them their entire career on and off the field. 506 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 7: He's been around him all the time, so it's like 507 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 7: kind of know what he is. To me, Micah is 508 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 7: like you're either breaking the bank for him or you 509 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 7: would trade him like the TJ. Watt hendrickson those older players. 510 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 7: That's just like complicated negotiation business. The Mica think's pretty simple. 511 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 7: Like the number is kind of his number, you know, 512 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 7: give or take, maybe a couple million you can argue over, 513 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 7: But like, why you know Micah Parson is going to 514 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 7: show up for training camp. I know he played good 515 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 7: copter and the off season, the spring ball, but recent 516 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 7: history would say guys in his shoes, you know, kind 517 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 7: of make it difficult you know, Nick Bosa, We've just 518 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 7: seen other guys. Now, we see a lot of teams 519 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 7: just sign the contract. I would say, give or take 520 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 7: some time between you know, post draft to right around 521 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 7: the next couple of weeks so they don't have to 522 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 7: deal with this drama. I think Jerry has a pretty 523 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 7: clear history of like, I'm gonna sign him like August 524 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 7: twenty eight, last possible second, So that would be my expectation. 525 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he does, and it ends up giving 526 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: the guys a chance to take some time off of 527 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: training camp. 528 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 7: I think I think the TJ. Watt things a little 529 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 7: more complicated. You know, these older guys, they have a 530 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 7: lot of wear and hair on them, but they're really 531 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 7: important and excellent players. Henderson TJ. Watt. You know, it's 532 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 7: in fairness to them. It's like they see the amount 533 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 7: of money other their quote unquote peers are getting and 534 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 7: it's like, well, if I were to shattered my leg, 535 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 7: and these negotiations are hard, Like I understand both sides, 536 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 7: and I don't think there's an easy answer to it. 537 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 7: It's like if you just break here, TJ. Watt, here's 538 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 7: another one hundred million dollars guaranteed or we just kind 539 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 7: of play, you know, a staring contest, you know, because 540 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 7: I think ste would probably have to give him, like 541 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 7: a fifty million dollar a little bonus he probably wants, 542 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 7: like what Max Crosby and Miles Garrett just got. But 543 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 7: the problem is he goes, I know you need me 544 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 7: because you guys are all in on the season. That 545 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 7: situation just feels a little just weird, you know. I mean, 546 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 7: the Steelers have always felt a little even when they 547 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 7: quote unquote and I've been winning at the same level 548 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 7: last four or five years, like he kind of had 549 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 7: an idea. But now these last couple of years bringing 550 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 7: in Russell Wilson, this situation feet a little of Steeler 551 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 7: like for the first time of the Tomlin era. 552 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: I totally agree. 553 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: What do you make of Kirk Cousins, Like, yeah, hey, 554 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: if I know they're going to drive the quarterback, I 555 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: would have stayed in Minnesota. 556 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 7: I think the easy person to say that, Remember it 557 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 7: was again, I think we're playing like Monday Morning quarterback 558 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 7: of what really could have happened here because I think 559 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 7: Kevin O'Connell liked him, wanted them, but I think the 560 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 7: organization was kind of ready. 561 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: To move on remember he had he had a torn 562 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: achilles tendon, rightly, and yes, yes they offered him a deal, 563 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: but it wasn't close to the deal that Atlanta offered him, right. 564 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 7: And it wasn't. Wasn't it more like, I mean a 565 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 7: one yearish like forty fifty you know, they gave a 566 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 7: essentially ninety million dollars. 567 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guarantee, I. 568 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 7: Think anyone was even coming close to that, even if 569 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 7: you take away Minnesota. I don't think he had that 570 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 7: many options. Yeah, So I think it's easy for him 571 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 7: to say, I don't blame them. They offered him ninety million. Honestly, 572 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 7: it's a reflection of the organization. When they gave him 573 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 7: that money. They didn't realize because they had new coaching staff, 574 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 7: they hadn't fallen in love with Michael Pennox. So they 575 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 7: signed them in the middle of March, and then they 576 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 7: start doing their private workouts, meeting with Penix, and they 577 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 7: fall in love with the guy. So, if anything, it's 578 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 7: more of a reflection of the herky jerky nature of 579 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 7: the Atlanta for An office because they knew they were 580 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 7: drafting Pennix. Let's let's be real, they would have given 581 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 7: like ten million dollars to h like a flat okase keenum. 582 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 7: I got just a high level backup, impressive guy that 583 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 7: kind of help the young guy. And it'll probably even 584 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 7: end up being the. 585 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: Backup what we want, which by which, by the which, 586 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: by the way, is what the Vikings did right, exactly 587 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: the Vikings. The Vikings went and they're like, Hey, we're 588 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: gonna go cheap and we're gonna draft a guy, which 589 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: is what the Vikings would do. The other part to 590 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: it is this, and I was thinking about this that 591 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: Cousins complained about this. Kirk Cousins has mastered the business 592 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: side of this thing, the business right. So forgive the 593 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: Falcons for treating it like it's a business right like 594 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: he wants all kinds of feelings like old on, dude, 595 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: you know you were all about business, three year guaranteed contract. 596 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: When you're with the Vikings, then they re upp to you, Hey, 597 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: it's business, it's not personal. And then you go to 598 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: Atlanta because of business. Then they treat you like it's business, 599 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: and now you're bothered because it's not personal. 600 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 7: I also think anyone in Cousins hughes torn Achilles, regardless 601 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 7: of that he'd already made like whatever, two hundred and 602 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 7: eighty three hundred million dollars in issues torn Achilles older player. 603 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 7: This team that's kind of desperate, but they kind of 604 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 7: got some interesting weapons. They got like a Shanahan disciple 605 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 7: McVeigh disciple running the offense, so you know what you're doing. 606 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 7: It was actually made kind of sense, Like I don't 607 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 7: blame him for taking the contract, but like all of 608 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 7: a sudden, they you know, like they got married and 609 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 7: then a month in they're like, we're in an open relationship. 610 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 7: He's like, what did I sign up for? But at 611 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 7: the time it's like you were in love, so it's 612 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 7: I think it's easy. He was rattled by it. But 613 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 7: this is also what happens when you bounce around teams, 614 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 7: you know, the the equity just falls off a clip. 615 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 7: I mean Peyton Manning was now granted his arm wasn't 616 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 7: really working. John Alway called him into his office and said, like, hey, Peyton, 617 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 7: were three me a backup for a minute. Remember that 618 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 7: like this football, I mean, it's kind of cut throat 619 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 7: at times. And I think Cousins for the first time 620 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 7: truly in his career where he was like the starter 621 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 7: got I guess a little bit of a humble pie. 622 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 7: But if you were giving me ninety million dollars like 623 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 7: I don't know, I'd figure out a way to get 624 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 7: around it. Figure it out, face. 625 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: I agree. 626 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: He's John Middlecoff three. Now it's the podcast. He's the 627 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: host of the Volume podcast. That work, Johnny, have a 628 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: great weekend. Thanks for joining us, Bud. 629 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 5: Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug 630 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 5: Gottlieb Show weeked. He said, three pm Eastern noon Pacific. 631 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Let's get to 632 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: a game. 633 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 5: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 634 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 4: All right, Doug, we're gonna get right to it. Dan 635 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 4: Byer here, great song, Joyce, Sam love the DMX. So 636 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 4: we transsition from. 637 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 6: That to. 638 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: I feel a draft. 639 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 4: Actually think that songs better than stop Drop, shut him down? Yeah, 640 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 4: I feel DMX was not a hyphenated name. No, no 641 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 4: it was not. But that's what we're drafting today. Favorite 642 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 4: hyphenated name in sports. Jason, you have the first pick, 643 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 4: Doug second, I'm third, Then Sam is the wrap around, 644 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 4: and if we have enough time, we'll do a second round. 645 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 3: It's funny. I've been thinking about this as I've watched 646 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 3: the Wimbledon coverage. Chris ever her name is Chris Evert. 647 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 3: But for those who grew up in the eighties like 648 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 3: I did, she was Everett Lloyd, and so I always 649 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 3: referred to her as Everett Lloyd. And I think it's 650 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 3: a smart thing to do. Hyphenate your names. If the 651 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 3: divorce rate in this country is what like sixty five 652 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 3: percent now it's higher than ever, why do not hyphenate 653 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 3: your name. It's a good it's a better than good 654 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 3: chance you could just go back to your name. 655 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, there are a lot of different reasons why 656 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 4: people will have a hyphenated name. I am next, Doug, 657 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 4: you are next up with the second pick that I'm third, 658 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 4: and Sam is fourth. 659 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 2: Kareem abdul Jabbar. 660 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: There it is Kareem abdul Jabbar. Ultimately to score. Previous 661 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: to Lebron James in the NBA, Lewis Aussander was his 662 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: original was his Christian name and when he's changed being 663 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: a muslims kream adul Jabbar. 664 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 4: Give me Jackson Smith and Jigba. You knew that was common. Yes, 665 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 4: friend of the show, we could say because he was 666 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 4: on He's been on a couple of times, not only 667 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 4: at the Super Bowl but other times Jackson Smith and Jigba. 668 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 4: All right, Sam, you got four and five. 669 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 8: I'll go with the hyphen A name is a little 670 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 8: bit more rare when you hyphenate the first name. Give 671 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 8: me Carl Anthony Towns. Carl Anthony Towns. 672 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 4: I like that. 673 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: You'll forget that's the the first name. Hyphen is it 674 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: definitely a different one. 675 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Oh, I'm back to me, yes, back around, all. 676 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 8: Right, let's go with a long time running back in 677 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 8: the NFL. You see a great Maurice Jones, Drew m jd. 678 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 8: You could have said, yeah, I think we all remember haha. 679 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 8: Clinton Dix. Yes, that was my next bet. Took him 680 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 8: up with your first bet. 681 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 7: He did? 682 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 8: He mentioned him. He just said his name. 683 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 3: Because I've always said this. It sounds like a liquor 684 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 3: store in the South. You're like, hey, honey, would you 685 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 3: stop buying get stop by the the Knicks and get 686 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 3: me some cigarettes. 687 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 2: Aha. 688 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 8: His name was short for Hashan stop by the Clinton 689 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 8: Nick Clinton Dick's cigarettes. 690 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 4: All right, Doug, do you have another? 691 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: Uh uh yeah, I lost my name Ago, I'll. 692 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 4: Get all right, Jason, I'm sorry go ahead, Doug, No, 693 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 4: go ahead, You're okay, Jesus Smith, Schuster, the wind, there 694 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 4: you go. No Pete Crow, Armstrong or Homeward who homered 695 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 4: twice today. That's game time, and. 696 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: That is game time, all right. It's Thursday. Don't call 697 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: it a throwback Thursday. 698 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 2: What year are we talking? Find out next to The 699 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 2: Doug Gotlib Show