WEBVTT - The DNC Says Farewell to Joe Biden 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:07.039 Also media, Welcome to it could happen here a podcast 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:09.840 about how to pronounce the vice president and maybe future 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:13.680 president's name, which is Kamala. See, I got it, Sophie. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:15.640 Yeah, but you looked at me for reassurance. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.159 No, I looked at you to be like, look at me. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.120 I'm doing it. I'm riding a bike with no training wheels. Garrison, 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:22.880 how's uh, how's grinder going? 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.880 It's okay. I mean it's certainly better than the r 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:26.239 n C. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.120 Yeah, but it's it's still slow picking because I mean 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:30.160 to find better. 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.040 Have you have you run into He lives in the 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:38.919 South side of Chicago, a guy named six Garrison. So 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.440 this is day two, ladies call him treat. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.199 The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Illinois. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:46.199 I'm Garrison Davis. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:50.120 We are here with Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans's and 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.519 I guess let's pick up right where we left off yesterday, 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:57.080 because we're recording this Tuesday morning. Yesterday we had a 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.520 full day of protests. There's still some protests today that 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.520 that will get to later. But we were also able 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.800 to spend a decent bit of time in the actual 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.000 d and C last night, and I think me and 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.240 Sophie will have certainly much to say about that, But 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.480 I'm gonna throw it to Robert Evans because Robert Evans 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:16.600 went back to protests after our dinner, and how was 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:17.400 that it was? 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.200 You know, by the time I got back, the police 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:24.040 had mostly knocked everything apart. There was a brief attempt 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:30.080 to occupy the park after we left. So right after 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.240 we left there was a scuffle over the fence and 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.640 some people managed to reach it, largely due to the 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.319 fact that the kind of fences that they use that 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.080 they put up outside of events like this are all 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.080 the same. It's the same tile of fence they had 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.959 up in Portland, and if you remember the fighting over 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.119 the fence in Portland, part of why there was days 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.200 of fighting is because it was a pretty short section 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.680 of fence, they were able to have it reinforced very heavily. Here, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.200 it was kind of more of a visual barrier than 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.200 an actual physical barrier because they just there was two 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.320 There's probably miles of cumulative fencing, and they don't have 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.000 it all reinforced enough, so when a crowd got close enough, 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.800 it was surprisingly easy for them to push their way in. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.919 Three people. I think got arrested at the fence breach. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.400 I've heard some folks say it was partly because press 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.800 crowding in made it impossible for people to get away 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:18.880 from the cops. Just given the way the rest of 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.960 the day worked and what I've seen, I think that's 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.440 pretty credible. It was one of those things where on 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.240 the ground, if you were just kind of looking at tweets, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.680 I think it would it would look like it had 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.280 been a larger part of what happened that day than 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.840 it was, because it really was a few minutes and 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:39.240 then things calmed down relatively quickly. But it did have 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.799 an impact on the actual DNC itself, like if you're 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.680 looking at the protests outside over Gaza. As part of 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.640 their goal to being to disrupt the DNC, they succeeded 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.480 in doing that because once there was a breach in 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.800 the perimeter, the Secret Service has and I don't know 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.400 what these are, but they certainly do have like a 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.560 checklist of like, these are the things we do if 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.360 there was a breach, And one of the things that 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.520 we know they did and after that breach is they 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.280 shut down all of the other multiple entrances for media 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:13.760 and delegates and attendees into the event and funneled everyone 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.320 through one entrance, which caused a clusterfuck for every massive 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:17.840 bottom line. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.800 I was gonna say, they sure did. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:21.440 They sure did. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.480 Me and Sophy spent quite a while trying to get 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.320 into the DNC after this, because yes, all of the 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.640 entrances on the northeast and west side of the convention 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.799 all got shut down. Everyone was funneled into one entrance 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.480 on the south side. The line to get in was 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.560 just just crazy. It was so so large. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.680 I would have to say again if you're looking at 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.600 the goal of these movements as like causing embarrassment and 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:49.560 disruption to the DNC, because fucking up entrance to the 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.440 DNC fuck stuff up. For all of the influencers and 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.480 media people trying to get in, I saw more anger 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.800 over how fucked up getting in last night was than 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.800 anything that had happened. Yeah, like in terms of like 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.840 formative social media anger than anything that had actually happened 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.320 in the streets. So I would have to call that 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:08.800 a pretty good win for the protest. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:13.800 I ever heard numerous DNC goers wearing their their best 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:18.839 their best merch complaining that it was the protester's fault, Yeah, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.320 that the lines were so long. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.240 Well, I mean people were also complaining about just like 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:27.159 the level of like the DNC's like organization and like 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.960 out because it was a mix. It was because of this, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.840 you know, triggered by actions via protesters, but also because 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.760 of how the DNC was handling everything. It was a compounding, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.800 a compounding nightmare for many people. Yeah, and I mean 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.560 in terms of other like other disruptions. We heard from 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.520 a woman who's staying at our same hotel that she 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.640 left at four pm to get to the DNC. She 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.120 left on like one of the DNC shuttles, and it 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.240 took her four hours to get in now. And part 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.880 of what happened was that if she left on the 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.320 DNC shuttle at around four, she probably got to the 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.440 area around four forty five, just because you know, there's 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:03.280 slow it's traffic. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:04.160 No no, no, no, no no no. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.360 And what happened next is that around four point fifty 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.240 is when the is when the fence got breached, and 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:16.040 then everyone getting off the shuttles could not what happened, 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.800 they did like this like a mini security lockdown. Everyone 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.280 was just told they have to stay in the shuttle. 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.159 She had to stay sitting in the shuttle for an 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.120 extra forty five minutes. She could not exit because they 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.920 were not letting people get off the shuttles as as 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.159 the fence was breached. So like, it's it's stuff like 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.720 that that creates like these like compounding fractures. 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.279 And this is probably if something similar were to happen tonight, 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.039 and the protests, as far as I know, are not 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.400 planned to be in the same kind of locations as 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.760 they were, so I don't think that's likely. I don't 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.760 think it would have a severe response because a big 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.840 part of what was going on Monday is that both 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.479 the president and vice president were in the same building, 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.920 so everything that normally exists in terms of security at 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.320 an event like this was taken up to the suitcase 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.640 that ends the world was in the venue, right, so 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.400 everything was on and like just escalated to the m degree, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.920 which is why never take the fucking buses. It's long 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:08.919 been one of my rules. 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.839 Yeah. My take is she left a four pm. She 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.360 didn't get in until about eight pm. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:15.240 Not worth it. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.800 Yeah, I would rather die that. I would rather die. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.200 It sounds like a episode of Black Mirror. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.880 Uh huh. Really, it's terrible so I got back to 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:28.560 the protest a little later. My understanding sounds like between 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.279 seven and nine arrests over the course of the day. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.559 There were had been like three at the fence breach. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.880 There were three or four more when people tried to 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.359 briefly set up an encampment that really did not last 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.960 very long. Was very quick to take that down, and 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.680 it was the I had been kind of wondering, and 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.919 I still think we might see some mace tonight, but 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.280 it didn't. Despite like the kind of Chicago's sixty eight 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.960 tear gas stories that people keep talking about, that did 0:06:58.960 --> 0:06:59.800 not seem likely at all. 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.440 DR No, Yeah, and I've heard from ultiple people on 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.160 the ground that it's it seems like shock. REPDI is 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.320 very aware of the optics. Yes, And you know, despite 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.200 being like the police they are, they are trying to 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.640 not immediately bring out the truncheons on everyone's heads. 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:16.680 Now they do have the truncheons on. 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.480 They've all got and they've got they have the they 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:21.800 have the worn ass old wooden ones. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:22.760 They do have them. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.840 But they are they are trying to be as hands 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.160 off physically as they can. Of course, like relying on 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.840 the amount of like internal peace policing from these which 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.120 is big or mass groups. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.840 But the other thing that they have going for them 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.040 is when they do have to get go hands on, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.800 there are so many of them that they do not 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.920 need to use crowd control well, crowd control weapons are 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.160 things police use when they are out number. That's partly 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.000 why Portland police are so nuts with it is because 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.920 there's almost no police in Portland, like it is literally 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.760 the least police city per capita in the country pretty much, 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.360 whereas you know Chicago. I think the protesters outnumbered the 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.120 police yesterday, but not by a lot, Like it was 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:06.360 not an overwhelming amount. 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.400 There is a few differences between you know this and 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.840 the RNC, obviously, and one of the main ones is 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:13.920 that most of the cops we have seen have been local. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:15.280 They have been Chicago PD. 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.920 There's been some Illinois State troopers of course, there's like 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.200 Secret Service, Homeland Security Investigations FBI, but mostly it is 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.120 just Chicago PUD, even around the. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.560 Premier CPD and Illinois State Illinois State. Yeah, based on 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.480 how because I had been I had been reading updates 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.079 for the last couple of weeks on how security plans 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.480 were proceeding for the DNC. I think that part of 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.520 what we've seen, a large part was influenced by the 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.560 guy that police murdered in Milwaukee, because it was a 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.480 couple of days after the RNC that I started seeing 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.600 the first articles about how there would not be out 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.280 of state police doing patrolling around the city of Chicago. 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.760 So it does seem like, thankfully somebody over here recognized that, like, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.120 oh you if we have a bunch of fucking Ohio 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:04.280 cops wandering around downtown Chicago like they're going to murder somebody, 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.000 like they're going to freak out because these hay seed 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.240 hicks have heard nothing in their entire lives as much 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.560 as how dangerous Chicago is, They're just going to start blasting. Yeah, 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.520 And I guess I'm just glad that hopefully nobody gets 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.600 murdered by the cops this this week. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.199 Well, do you know what we can't get murdered by? 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.920 Yes, Garrison, Wow, Yes, indeed. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.439 Services. That's the fourth podcast. If you enjoy them too much, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:27.960 you know, too much of a good thing is bad. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:29.079 That's what I've heard. 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.000 Yeah, I mean, that's really why I'm not sure. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.920 If you don't overdose on products. 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.160 Meet with bad bad le Roy Brown because he's got 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:48.200 a custom Continental, he's got an Elorado. To Sophie, I'm 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.079 a trend center. Nobody was talking about bad bad Le 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.600 Roy Brown except for the one guy who very famously 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.199 talked about bad bad Le Roy Brown. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:56.880 Welcome back to It could happen here. 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:01.800 So after getting through that cluster a security entrance, me 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.280 and Zobe did eventually make it inside the DNC, which 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.960 we'll talk about in a sec But as me and 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:11.440 Robert we were parading around the protests on Monday, Sophie 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.280 Lichterman was infiltrating dem Palooza. 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.040 Which is the wrong way. It should be Demapalooza. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:22.560 It should be dema Palooza, but it's not. Sophie the angriest. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.720 Let me just give you some visuals here. First of all, 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.760 you're absolutely cracked. The name is embarrassing, and that's generally 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.800 how I felt about Dempaluza. What is dem Paluzaalza is 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:34.000 like a. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.680 First off, only the gen X people are going to 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:37.880 remember Lollapalooza. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.640 No chapel Roone just performed at Lollapalooza. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.360 That doesn't see you, do you? 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:44.200 I don't some. 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.040 Kind of horse great keep going, keeping Jesus Christ. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:53.680 Anyways, it was like half trade show, half panels by 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:58.280 people talking about things that they think that the DNC 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.880 crowd will care about too hard on the memes, like 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:03.640 a there was a booth. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.000 Was it the Coconut Vibes booth. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.040 It was the almost thought that was a bored apes 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.760 thing at first, they just they just. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.000 I was like, why why are we acknowledging? 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:13.960 Fine, it's fine. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.000 There was there was like cool Coconut Vibes here booth, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.640 and right behind it was a seated area with like 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.000 probably like one hundred chairs and there were two people 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.000 giving speeches on something and there were two people in 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.600 the crowd. Many many such cases, such cases, and you know, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.120 there was a lot of cardboard cutouts with VP Harris's 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.320 face on it. There was like a VP Harris as 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.760 Wonder Woman section, and then there was a section. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.640 With shirts They're all having fun. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.840 Just so that people have an under understanding of like 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.840 the level of embarrassing. There was a one booth while 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.079 I was waiting in the very unorganized line to get 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.880 into the panels area of Dempalooza that had shirts for 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.600 sale for twenty eight dollars featuring one that said beware 0:11:58.720 --> 0:11:59.960 of the uptidy. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:01.840 What does that mean? 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:04.559 Up tight white people? I'm guessing. 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.080 Okay, I believe, I believe so. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.679 But also why twenty eight dollars band dictionaries at your 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:15.040 own pearl? Oh god, okay, make stupid embarrassing again. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:16.800 You get the picture. You get it, all right, you 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.400 get the picture. So what panels did you attend at 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:20.319 dem Palusa? 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.080 The first panel I went to was a panel that 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.360 was like, how to talk to your relatives about Project 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:27.680 twenty twenty five. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.160 A great Thanksgiving dinner talk. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.880 Yeah, And it was very unorganized and so I was 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.880 thirty minutes late getting into it because not a single 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.400 volunteer had been trained on how to get people into panels, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:44.080 and they had a circuit around the building several times 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.200 until I found a very nice security guard who actually 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.680 worked for the building that was like you go that way, 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.959 thank you, sir. And I walk into this panel. There 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:57.559 are seats for maybe three hundred people. There is one 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.800 man at the front of the stage and about fifteen 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.720 people listening. And I sat there for about five minutes 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.040 and got up because it was basically the sum of 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.000 it was if your your relatives that you disagree with 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.559 are trying to tell you something. Don't yell at them, 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.080 listen to them first, which is not terrible to sue. 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.240 Look, if your relatives want to start talking politics at 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.360 the dinner table this year, this is going to be terrible. Handgun, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.920 drop it on the table and then just sit down, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.360 put your legs up, stare at them. Just like the 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.360 post the exact, I learned everything about negotiations from the 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:32.440 Portland Police Union. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.480 This is interesting though, SOVID because every night at the 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.000 DNC they're going to be reading from Project twenty twenty 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.000 five on the main stage. Yesterday they were reading about 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.160 all of the plans within that document to basically make 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.240 Trump a de facto dictator. Tonight they're going to be 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.000 reading on sections about how Project twenty five will affect 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.800 the economy and your pocketbook. So they had this plan 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.040 to every night actually talk about and read from the 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.320 actual document. You know, framing this says like this is 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.400 basically like try plan for once he gets into office, 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.880 or this is like Republicans plan for Trump once he 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.720 gets into office, and you know, this type of like scaremongering, 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.160 fear rhetoric around what Trump would do was SEMy successful 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:12.560 in twenty twenty, and I think they're trying to, you know, 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:13.920 use this similarly. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:14.200 Now. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.880 I also think it's smart because there's two big threats here. 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.760 One of them is does the election, you know, go 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.520 badly for Trump, which is an open question, and then 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.320 the other is if it does, he's not going to concede. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.640 Do the Republicans have shit together to actually steal the election, 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.640 to do another Brooks Brothers riot, to refuse certification, to 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.400 try and kick up enough uncertainty that they can take 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.320 it to the Supreme Court for a steal. And the 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.960 only way ultimately, if it's an narrow enough election that 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.720 the Republicans go for that the only real way to 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.440 fight back is to get an overwhelming number of people 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.720 out and angry in the streets, like enough that it 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.160 frightens you know, the Supreme Court and everyone else who 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:03.000 would be required to actually put in like sweat equity 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.440 to carry off that steel. And one of the ways 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.840 you do that is by making the stakes really clear. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.320 And so I think this is it's a good idea 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.520 and responsible that they're focusing on Project twenty twenty five 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.840 as much as they are, and probably what's necessary to 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.240 I'm hoping that the dims don't fold. If that happens, 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.720 I guess we'll fucking see. You know, it's not two thousand. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.800 Sob what was the second panel you went to at Dempaluzo. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.800 So I walked around and looked into a bunch of 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.760 different rooms to see if panels had a big crowd 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.560 or not, and it was definitely or not. And then 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:42.840 I went to the Voices for Justice, Democrats for Palestinian 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.440 Human Rights panel that was. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:47.280 Packed. 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.840 It sounded like the most popular panel of the day. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:55.960 Packed, no seats available, standing room, and the energy was 0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:01.120 very respectful. Everyone in there was earnest excited that this 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:05.080 was happening, but also it was mentioned many times that 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.600 this was a step, but obviously not the step that 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:14.000 they wanted. And it was filled with media but also 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:18.040 just people that were there for Dempaluza wanting to hear 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.960 what people had to say. It was a very diverse 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:26.720 group of people and the panel featured you know, several activists, 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.520 former members of the House of Representatives. 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.520 Someone from the Uncommitted Committee. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.160 Yes, I believe they were part of organizing this panel. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:41.960 Although this panel was an official campaign approved panel, which 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.920 was brought up many times by each person who spoke 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.040 as a thing that it was a first of its 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:53.640 kind approved campaign panel in regards to the people of Palestine. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.680 And it's part of the dance the DNC has been 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.760 trying to do where they it is such a popular 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.120 issue like giving a shit about the genocide, wanting to 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.080 cease fire, that they can't not signal to it. But 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.320 also there's absolutely no willingness at the top to actually 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.040 hold Israel accountable, so they like, they hold this event, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.840 they approve it, and it becomes the most popular one 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:20.199 at the DNC. Biden makes a very mild line and 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.200 support of like basically saying there was a line during 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.480 speech last night that like the protesters outside of a 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:30.080 point right, which is not taking meaningful action, but it 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.720 is like it gets one of the largest reactions from 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.199 the crowd that night. I mean, you guys were in 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.560 the room, but at least from where I was watching 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.040 at the bar, it sounded like a pretty sizable response. 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.880 And that's I guess. The juggling act that they're still 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.080 trying to do is like, can we continue not actually 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.440 committing on anything while keeping some of these people happy. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:54.320 And the uncommitted people are basically in this the protest 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.679 group that's holding their votes, you know, hostage almost to say, like, 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.960 if you want us to vote for you, Harris, you 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.440 have to signal something, whether that be like an arms embargo, 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.240 a real effort towards getting a ceasefire done, trying to 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.200 lobby for change by using their vote as a bargaining chip. 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.160 Yeah, and a couple interesting things to note before I 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.399 play an audio clip for the listeners here. It took 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:23.960 almost the entire panel for them to mention Joe Biden 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.000 by name. I think that only happened once. It was 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:31.040 mostly just referring to the party itself. At one point 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.080 a panel member thank to VP Harris, and she's trying. 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.479 We need to hold her accountable, but give her a chance, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.280 which was the general energy from the entire entire group 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:45.919 is like, she is not Joe Biden. We're hoping for better. Yeah, 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.040 she's made an inch of a step. We need more, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.960 but we want to give her a chance to do that. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.960 And I mean it's a really different vibe from a 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.119 lot of the protests where you have people who are 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.399 kind of more committed political radicals as opposed to the 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.679 uncommitted folks. The overwhelming vibe is we would really like 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.080 to get on board this, but you need to do 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:06.960 something right. 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.080 The clip that I'm about to play for the listeners 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:15.840 here comes from a doctor, doctor Tanya Haja San, who 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.960 is a pediatric intensive care doctor who works with the 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:23.560 humanitarian organization Doctors Without Borders, and she has spent the 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:28.480 last decade as a medical trainer and helping people and 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:33.399 organizations in Gaza in the West Bank. And she spoke 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.080 for ten minutes, and I thought it was pretty moving. 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.440 It was a large room and I was able to 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.480 get very clear audio, which kind of says a lot 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.960 about the crowd, and she kind of just spoke about 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.879 her experience, and yeah, I guess I'll just play that 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:52.400 clip for everyone now. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.119 When the uncomituted Wan asked me to be here, I 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.760 tested every doctor and surgeon. 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.480 That I knew who had been to Gaza in the. 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.480 Last ten months and asked them if they wanted to 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.320 join me here in Chicago. And the overwhelming response, actually 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:08.800 every single person said yes. 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:10.399 Let me see if I can switch out of my shift, 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:11.040 And many. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.080