1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:07,039 Speaker 1: Also media, Welcome to it could happen here a podcast 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: about how to pronounce the vice president and maybe future 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: president's name, which is Kamala. See, I got it, Sophie. 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you looked at me for reassurance. 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: No, I looked at you to be like, look at me. 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I'm riding a bike with no training wheels. Garrison, 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: how's uh, how's grinder going? 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 3: It's okay. I mean it's certainly better than the r 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 3: n C. 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's it's still slow picking because I mean 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 4: to find better. 12 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Have you have you run into He lives in the 13 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: South side of Chicago, a guy named six Garrison. So 14 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: this is day two, ladies call him treat. 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 4: The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Illinois. 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 3: I'm Garrison Davis. 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 4: We are here with Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans's and 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 4: I guess let's pick up right where we left off yesterday, 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 4: because we're recording this Tuesday morning. Yesterday we had a 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 4: full day of protests. There's still some protests today that 21 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 4: that will get to later. But we were also able 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 4: to spend a decent bit of time in the actual 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 4: d and C last night, and I think me and 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 4: Sophie will have certainly much to say about that, But 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw it to Robert Evans because Robert Evans 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 4: went back to protests after our dinner, and how was 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 4: that it was? 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: You know, by the time I got back, the police 29 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: had mostly knocked everything apart. There was a brief attempt 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: to occupy the park after we left. So right after 31 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: we left there was a scuffle over the fence and 32 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: some people managed to reach it, largely due to the 33 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: fact that the kind of fences that they use that 34 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: they put up outside of events like this are all 35 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: the same. It's the same tile of fence they had 36 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: up in Portland, and if you remember the fighting over 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: the fence in Portland, part of why there was days 38 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: of fighting is because it was a pretty short section 39 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: of fence, they were able to have it reinforced very heavily. Here, 40 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: it was kind of more of a visual barrier than 41 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: an actual physical barrier because they just there was two 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: There's probably miles of cumulative fencing, and they don't have 43 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: it all reinforced enough, so when a crowd got close enough, 44 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: it was surprisingly easy for them to push their way in. 45 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: Three people. I think got arrested at the fence breach. 46 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: I've heard some folks say it was partly because press 47 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: crowding in made it impossible for people to get away 48 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: from the cops. Just given the way the rest of 49 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: the day worked and what I've seen, I think that's 50 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: pretty credible. It was one of those things where on 51 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: the ground, if you were just kind of looking at tweets, 52 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: I think it would it would look like it had 53 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: been a larger part of what happened that day than 54 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: it was, because it really was a few minutes and 55 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: then things calmed down relatively quickly. But it did have 56 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: an impact on the actual DNC itself, like if you're 57 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: looking at the protests outside over Gaza. As part of 58 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: their goal to being to disrupt the DNC, they succeeded 59 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: in doing that because once there was a breach in 60 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: the perimeter, the Secret Service has and I don't know 61 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: what these are, but they certainly do have like a 62 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: checklist of like, these are the things we do if 63 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: there was a breach, And one of the things that 64 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: we know they did and after that breach is they 65 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: shut down all of the other multiple entrances for media 66 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: and delegates and attendees into the event and funneled everyone 67 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: through one entrance, which caused a clusterfuck for every massive 68 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: bottom line. 69 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, they sure did. 70 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: They sure did. 71 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 4: Me and Sophy spent quite a while trying to get 72 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 4: into the DNC after this, because yes, all of the 73 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 4: entrances on the northeast and west side of the convention 74 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 4: all got shut down. Everyone was funneled into one entrance 75 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: on the south side. The line to get in was 76 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 4: just just crazy. It was so so large. 77 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: I would have to say again if you're looking at 78 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: the goal of these movements as like causing embarrassment and 79 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: disruption to the DNC, because fucking up entrance to the 80 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: DNC fuck stuff up. For all of the influencers and 81 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: media people trying to get in, I saw more anger 82 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: over how fucked up getting in last night was than 83 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: anything that had happened. Yeah, like in terms of like 84 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: formative social media anger than anything that had actually happened 85 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: in the streets. So I would have to call that 86 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: a pretty good win for the protest. 87 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: I ever heard numerous DNC goers wearing their their best 88 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: their best merch complaining that it was the protester's fault, Yeah, 89 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: that the lines were so long. 90 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 4: Well, I mean people were also complaining about just like 91 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 4: the level of like the DNC's like organization and like 92 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 4: out because it was a mix. It was because of this, 93 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 4: you know, triggered by actions via protesters, but also because 94 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 4: of how the DNC was handling everything. It was a compounding, 95 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 4: a compounding nightmare for many people. Yeah, and I mean 96 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 4: in terms of other like other disruptions. We heard from 97 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 4: a woman who's staying at our same hotel that she 98 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 4: left at four pm to get to the DNC. She 99 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: left on like one of the DNC shuttles, and it 100 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 4: took her four hours to get in now. And part 101 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 4: of what happened was that if she left on the 102 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 4: DNC shuttle at around four, she probably got to the 103 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 4: area around four forty five, just because you know, there's 104 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 4: slow it's traffic. 105 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no. 106 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 4: And what happened next is that around four point fifty 107 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 4: is when the is when the fence got breached, and 108 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 4: then everyone getting off the shuttles could not what happened, 109 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 4: they did like this like a mini security lockdown. Everyone 110 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 4: was just told they have to stay in the shuttle. 111 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 4: She had to stay sitting in the shuttle for an 112 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: extra forty five minutes. She could not exit because they 113 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 4: were not letting people get off the shuttles as as 114 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 4: the fence was breached. So like, it's it's stuff like 115 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 4: that that creates like these like compounding fractures. 116 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: And this is probably if something similar were to happen tonight, 117 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: and the protests, as far as I know, are not 118 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: planned to be in the same kind of locations as 119 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: they were, so I don't think that's likely. I don't 120 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: think it would have a severe response because a big 121 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: part of what was going on Monday is that both 122 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: the president and vice president were in the same building, 123 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: so everything that normally exists in terms of security at 124 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: an event like this was taken up to the suitcase 125 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: that ends the world was in the venue, right, so 126 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: everything was on and like just escalated to the m degree, 127 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: which is why never take the fucking buses. It's long 128 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: been one of my rules. 129 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. My take is she left a four pm. She 130 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: didn't get in until about eight pm. 131 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: Not worth it. 132 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would rather die that. I would rather die. 133 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: It sounds like a episode of Black Mirror. 134 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: Uh huh. Really, it's terrible so I got back to 135 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: the protest a little later. My understanding sounds like between 136 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: seven and nine arrests over the course of the day. 137 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: There were had been like three at the fence breach. 138 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: There were three or four more when people tried to 139 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: briefly set up an encampment that really did not last 140 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: very long. Was very quick to take that down, and 141 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: it was the I had been kind of wondering, and 142 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: I still think we might see some mace tonight, but 143 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: it didn't. Despite like the kind of Chicago's sixty eight 144 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: tear gas stories that people keep talking about, that did 145 00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: not seem likely at all. 146 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: DR No, Yeah, and I've heard from ultiple people on 147 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 4: the ground that it's it seems like shock. REPDI is 148 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: very aware of the optics. Yes, And you know, despite 149 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 4: being like the police they are, they are trying to 150 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 4: not immediately bring out the truncheons on everyone's heads. 151 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: Now they do have the truncheons on. 152 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: They've all got and they've got they have the they 153 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: have the worn ass old wooden ones. 154 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: They do have them. 155 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 4: But they are they are trying to be as hands 156 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: off physically as they can. Of course, like relying on 157 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: the amount of like internal peace policing from these which 158 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 4: is big or mass groups. 159 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: But the other thing that they have going for them 160 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: is when they do have to get go hands on, 161 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: there are so many of them that they do not 162 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: need to use crowd control well, crowd control weapons are 163 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: things police use when they are out number. That's partly 164 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: why Portland police are so nuts with it is because 165 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: there's almost no police in Portland, like it is literally 166 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: the least police city per capita in the country pretty much, 167 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: whereas you know Chicago. I think the protesters outnumbered the 168 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: police yesterday, but not by a lot, Like it was 169 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: not an overwhelming amount. 170 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: There is a few differences between you know this and 171 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 4: the RNC, obviously, and one of the main ones is 172 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 4: that most of the cops we have seen have been local. 173 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: They have been Chicago PD. 174 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: There's been some Illinois State troopers of course, there's like 175 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 4: Secret Service, Homeland Security Investigations FBI, but mostly it is 176 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: just Chicago PUD, even around the. 177 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: Premier CPD and Illinois State Illinois State. Yeah, based on 178 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: how because I had been I had been reading updates 179 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: for the last couple of weeks on how security plans 180 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: were proceeding for the DNC. I think that part of 181 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: what we've seen, a large part was influenced by the 182 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: guy that police murdered in Milwaukee, because it was a 183 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: couple of days after the RNC that I started seeing 184 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: the first articles about how there would not be out 185 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: of state police doing patrolling around the city of Chicago. 186 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: So it does seem like, thankfully somebody over here recognized that, like, 187 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: oh you if we have a bunch of fucking Ohio 188 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: cops wandering around downtown Chicago like they're going to murder somebody, 189 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: like they're going to freak out because these hay seed 190 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: hicks have heard nothing in their entire lives as much 191 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: as how dangerous Chicago is, They're just going to start blasting. Yeah, 192 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: And I guess I'm just glad that hopefully nobody gets 193 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: murdered by the cops this this week. 194 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 3: Well, do you know what we can't get murdered by? 195 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: Yes, Garrison, Wow, Yes, indeed. 196 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 4: Services. That's the fourth podcast. If you enjoy them too much, 197 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 4: you know, too much of a good thing is bad. 198 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 4: That's what I've heard. 199 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's really why I'm not sure. 200 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 3: If you don't overdose on products. 201 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: Meet with bad bad le Roy Brown because he's got 202 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: a custom Continental, he's got an Elorado. To Sophie, I'm 203 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: a trend center. Nobody was talking about bad bad Le 204 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: Roy Brown except for the one guy who very famously 205 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: talked about bad bad Le Roy Brown. 206 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: Welcome back to It could happen here. 207 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 4: So after getting through that cluster a security entrance, me 208 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 4: and Zobe did eventually make it inside the DNC, which 209 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 4: we'll talk about in a sec But as me and 210 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 4: Robert we were parading around the protests on Monday, Sophie 211 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 4: Lichterman was infiltrating dem Palooza. 212 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: Which is the wrong way. It should be Demapalooza. 213 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 4: It should be dema Palooza, but it's not. Sophie the angriest. 214 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: Let me just give you some visuals here. First of all, 215 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: you're absolutely cracked. The name is embarrassing, and that's generally 216 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: how I felt about Dempaluza. What is dem Paluzaalza is 217 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: like a. 218 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: First off, only the gen X people are going to 219 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: remember Lollapalooza. 220 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: No chapel Roone just performed at Lollapalooza. 221 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: That doesn't see you, do you? 222 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: I don't some. 223 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 4: Kind of horse great keep going, keeping Jesus Christ. 224 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: Anyways, it was like half trade show, half panels by 225 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: people talking about things that they think that the DNC 226 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: crowd will care about too hard on the memes, like 227 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: a there was a booth. 228 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: Was it the Coconut Vibes booth. 229 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: It was the almost thought that was a bored apes 230 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: thing at first, they just they just. 231 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: I was like, why why are we acknowledging? 232 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: Fine, it's fine. 233 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: There was there was like cool Coconut Vibes here booth, 234 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: and right behind it was a seated area with like 235 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: probably like one hundred chairs and there were two people 236 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: giving speeches on something and there were two people in 237 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: the crowd. Many many such cases, such cases, and you know, 238 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: there was a lot of cardboard cutouts with VP Harris's 239 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: face on it. There was like a VP Harris as 240 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: Wonder Woman section, and then there was a section. 241 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: With shirts They're all having fun. 242 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: Just so that people have an under understanding of like 243 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 2: the level of embarrassing. There was a one booth while 244 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: I was waiting in the very unorganized line to get 245 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: into the panels area of Dempalooza that had shirts for 246 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: sale for twenty eight dollars featuring one that said beware 247 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: of the uptidy. 248 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 249 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: Up tight white people? I'm guessing. 250 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 3: Okay, I believe, I believe so. 251 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: But also why twenty eight dollars band dictionaries at your 252 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: own pearl? Oh god, okay, make stupid embarrassing again. 253 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: You get the picture. You get it, all right, you 254 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: get the picture. So what panels did you attend at 255 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 3: dem Palusa? 256 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: The first panel I went to was a panel that 257 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: was like, how to talk to your relatives about Project 258 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. 259 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: A great Thanksgiving dinner talk. 260 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was very unorganized and so I was 261 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: thirty minutes late getting into it because not a single 262 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: volunteer had been trained on how to get people into panels, 263 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: and they had a circuit around the building several times 264 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: until I found a very nice security guard who actually 265 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: worked for the building that was like you go that way, 266 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 2: thank you, sir. And I walk into this panel. There 267 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 2: are seats for maybe three hundred people. There is one 268 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: man at the front of the stage and about fifteen 269 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: people listening. And I sat there for about five minutes 270 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: and got up because it was basically the sum of 271 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: it was if your your relatives that you disagree with 272 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 2: are trying to tell you something. Don't yell at them, 273 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: listen to them first, which is not terrible to sue. 274 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: Look, if your relatives want to start talking politics at 275 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: the dinner table this year, this is going to be terrible. Handgun, 276 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: drop it on the table and then just sit down, 277 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: put your legs up, stare at them. Just like the 278 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: post the exact, I learned everything about negotiations from the 279 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: Portland Police Union. 280 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 4: This is interesting though, SOVID because every night at the 281 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 4: DNC they're going to be reading from Project twenty twenty 282 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 4: five on the main stage. Yesterday they were reading about 283 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 4: all of the plans within that document to basically make 284 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 4: Trump a de facto dictator. Tonight they're going to be 285 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: reading on sections about how Project twenty five will affect 286 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 4: the economy and your pocketbook. So they had this plan 287 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 4: to every night actually talk about and read from the 288 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 4: actual document. You know, framing this says like this is 289 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 4: basically like try plan for once he gets into office, 290 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 4: or this is like Republicans plan for Trump once he 291 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 4: gets into office, and you know, this type of like scaremongering, 292 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: fear rhetoric around what Trump would do was SEMy successful 293 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, and I think they're trying to, you know, 294 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 4: use this similarly. 295 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 5: Now. 296 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: I also think it's smart because there's two big threats here. 297 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: One of them is does the election, you know, go 298 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: badly for Trump, which is an open question, and then 299 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: the other is if it does, he's not going to concede. 300 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: Do the Republicans have shit together to actually steal the election, 301 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: to do another Brooks Brothers riot, to refuse certification, to 302 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: try and kick up enough uncertainty that they can take 303 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: it to the Supreme Court for a steal. And the 304 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: only way ultimately, if it's an narrow enough election that 305 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: the Republicans go for that the only real way to 306 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: fight back is to get an overwhelming number of people 307 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: out and angry in the streets, like enough that it 308 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: frightens you know, the Supreme Court and everyone else who 309 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: would be required to actually put in like sweat equity 310 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: to carry off that steel. And one of the ways 311 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: you do that is by making the stakes really clear. 312 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: And so I think this is it's a good idea 313 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: and responsible that they're focusing on Project twenty twenty five 314 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: as much as they are, and probably what's necessary to 315 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that the dims don't fold. If that happens, 316 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: I guess we'll fucking see. You know, it's not two thousand. 317 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 4: Sob what was the second panel you went to at Dempaluzo. 318 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: So I walked around and looked into a bunch of 319 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: different rooms to see if panels had a big crowd 320 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: or not, and it was definitely or not. And then 321 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: I went to the Voices for Justice, Democrats for Palestinian 322 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: Human Rights panel that was. 323 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 5: Packed. 324 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: It sounded like the most popular panel of the day. 325 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: Packed, no seats available, standing room, and the energy was 326 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: very respectful. Everyone in there was earnest excited that this 327 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: was happening, but also it was mentioned many times that 328 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: this was a step, but obviously not the step that 329 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: they wanted. And it was filled with media but also 330 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: just people that were there for Dempaluza wanting to hear 331 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: what people had to say. It was a very diverse 332 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: group of people and the panel featured you know, several activists, 333 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: former members of the House of Representatives. 334 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: Someone from the Uncommitted Committee. 335 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: Yes, I believe they were part of organizing this panel. 336 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: Although this panel was an official campaign approved panel, which 337 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: was brought up many times by each person who spoke 338 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: as a thing that it was a first of its 339 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: kind approved campaign panel in regards to the people of Palestine. 340 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: And it's part of the dance the DNC has been 341 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: trying to do where they it is such a popular 342 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: issue like giving a shit about the genocide, wanting to 343 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: cease fire, that they can't not signal to it. But 344 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: also there's absolutely no willingness at the top to actually 345 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: hold Israel accountable, so they like, they hold this event, 346 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: they approve it, and it becomes the most popular one 347 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: at the DNC. Biden makes a very mild line and 348 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: support of like basically saying there was a line during 349 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: speech last night that like the protesters outside of a 350 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: point right, which is not taking meaningful action, but it 351 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: is like it gets one of the largest reactions from 352 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: the crowd that night. I mean, you guys were in 353 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: the room, but at least from where I was watching 354 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: at the bar, it sounded like a pretty sizable response. 355 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: And that's I guess. The juggling act that they're still 356 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: trying to do is like, can we continue not actually 357 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: committing on anything while keeping some of these people happy. 358 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 4: And the uncommitted people are basically in this the protest 359 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 4: group that's holding their votes, you know, hostage almost to say, like, 360 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 4: if you want us to vote for you, Harris, you 361 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 4: have to signal something, whether that be like an arms embargo, 362 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: a real effort towards getting a ceasefire done, trying to 363 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: lobby for change by using their vote as a bargaining chip. 364 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and a couple interesting things to note before I 365 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 2: play an audio clip for the listeners here. It took 366 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: almost the entire panel for them to mention Joe Biden 367 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: by name. I think that only happened once. It was 368 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: mostly just referring to the party itself. At one point 369 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: a panel member thank to VP Harris, and she's trying. 370 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 2: We need to hold her accountable, but give her a chance, 371 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: which was the general energy from the entire entire group 372 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 2: is like, she is not Joe Biden. We're hoping for better. Yeah, 373 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: she's made an inch of a step. We need more, 374 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: but we want to give her a chance to do that. 375 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: And I mean it's a really different vibe from a 376 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: lot of the protests where you have people who are 377 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: kind of more committed political radicals as opposed to the 378 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: uncommitted folks. The overwhelming vibe is we would really like 379 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: to get on board this, but you need to do 380 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: something right. 381 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: The clip that I'm about to play for the listeners 382 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: here comes from a doctor, doctor Tanya Haja San, who 383 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: is a pediatric intensive care doctor who works with the 384 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: humanitarian organization Doctors Without Borders, and she has spent the 385 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: last decade as a medical trainer and helping people and 386 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: organizations in Gaza in the West Bank. And she spoke 387 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: for ten minutes, and I thought it was pretty moving. 388 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: It was a large room and I was able to 389 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: get very clear audio, which kind of says a lot 390 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: about the crowd, and she kind of just spoke about 391 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: her experience, and yeah, I guess I'll just play that 392 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: clip for everyone now. 393 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 6: When the uncomituted Wan asked me to be here, I 394 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 6: tested every doctor and surgeon. 395 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 7: That I knew who had been to Gaza in the. 396 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 6: Last ten months and asked them if they wanted to 397 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 6: join me here in Chicago. And the overwhelming response, actually 398 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 6: every single person said yes. 399 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 7: Let me see if I can switch out of my shift, 400 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 7: And many. 401 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 6: Of them are actually here in Chicago right now because 402 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 6: we cannot unsee what we witnessed and caused every single 403 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 6: one of us. Many of us have worked in many 404 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 6: wars before, and we have never seen anything so reachius, 405 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 6: so atrocious, and that is why many of us swapped 406 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 6: out of shifts have phown a very long way to 407 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 6: speak to politic shies when we're not help ourself. As 408 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 6: doctors were trained to protect and reserve. 409 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 7: Life, and this Israeli military. 410 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 6: Campaign that's targeting life and every thing even to sustain 411 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 6: it has read through that impossible, and that is why 412 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 6: so many of us have taken to other means of 413 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 6: trying to protect life. For the past ten months, we 414 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 6: have witnessed civilian massacre after civilian massacre, school massacres who 415 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 6: internally displaced people with children, the flower massacre, massacres of 416 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 6: people try. 417 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 7: To collect water, massacres of people. 418 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 6: Are collecting eight at eight sites, massacre after civilian massacre, 419 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 6: Entire families exterminated in one single long humanitarians, healthcare workers 420 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 6: killed at anjournalists killed at and record numbers pediatric amputations, 421 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 6: amputations and children that are heartbreaking records over seventeen thousand 422 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 6: children who have lost one or both parents Since October 423 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 6: in in Gazala, we have treated so many children who 424 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 6: have lost. 425 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 7: Their entire family that it has A term. 426 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 6: Has been coined to describe these children who probably heard 427 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 6: it wounded child on surviving Family in WCNSF. This is 428 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 6: a term that has been coined since October to describe 429 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 6: as very frequent phenomenon that I personally waitnessed more times 430 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 6: than I can count while I was. 431 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 7: There for children. 432 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 6: I have held the hand of children who are taking 433 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 6: their last gasps because their entire family was killed in 434 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 6: the same attack and couldn't be there holding their hand and. 435 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 7: Comforting them and could not bury them thereafter. 436 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 6: For the children who I treated who were discharged, they 437 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 6: were and survived, they face a Russian let of a 438 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 6: hundred ways that they will like me and pretend to 439 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 6: die when they leave the hospital due to the circumstances. 440 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 6: Is incompatible with life that has been architectured by its 441 00:22:54,560 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 6: military assault, direct bombing, starvation, dehydration, diase alarming reports of 442 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 6: the first cases of polio and gaza right now. Polio 443 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 6: is a potentially deadly disease that crosses paralysis, including paralysis 444 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 6: the muscles needed to breathe, that has been eradicated for 445 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 6: decades in that region. 446 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 7: There's been a polio vaccination campaign that just essentially is eradicated. 447 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 6: The disease from the majority of the world, and now 448 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 6: we're seeing cases emerging in a area of the world 449 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 6: that cannot that has a healthy system that has been 450 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 6: completely and entirely annihilated. I mentioned these wounded children with 451 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 6: no surviving family. I'm going to give you two quick 452 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 6: stories just so that you can humanize what I mean. 453 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 6: We're gonna say this because I know it's really hard 454 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 6: to hear these numbers and think about individuals and what 455 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 6: this means to them. I received a young boy in 456 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 6: the emergency department during one of the mass casualties who 457 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 6: had hay from half of his face. 458 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 7: And an aclora. 459 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 6: The organs that are vited for breathing and blood supplied 460 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 6: to the. 461 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 7: Brain were preserved. 462 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 6: They were visible, but preserved, and he was talking to us. 463 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 7: He couldn't see himself, so he didn't know what he 464 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 7: looked like. At that Moore in time, he kept asking 465 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 7: for his sister. His sister was in the bed next 466 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 7: to him. 467 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 6: The majority of her body was burned beyond recognition. He 468 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 6: didn't recognize that the girl in the bed next in 469 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 6: his sister. His entire family, parents and the rest of 470 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 6: his siblings were killed in the same attack. That always survived, 471 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 6: and the next day I went to see him, a 472 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 6: very young plastic surgeon, one of the few remaining plastic 473 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 6: surgeons from Gaza, because both the others have either been 474 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 6: killed or have fled. To understand, Pep had removed part 475 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 6: of his chest and created a graft to cover those 476 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 6: vibing the organs in the net. He was lying in 477 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 6: his bed and mumbling, is so difficult to talk, And 478 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 6: he kept saying I felt really close to him, and 479 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 6: he said I wish I had died too. And I 480 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 6: said what And he said, I think my entire family. 481 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 7: Has gone to heaven. Ever, it's not my entire coming 482 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 7: is exact words or something effective. Everybody I loved is 483 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 7: now in heaven. I don't want to be here anymore. 484 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 7: That is one of so many stories. 485 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: Well, uh, yep, that's yeah. There's some ads, some ads. 486 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, we are back. 487 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 4: We're gonna close this episode by talking about means of 488 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 4: these experiences in the actual DNC. Once we finally got 489 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: past that ridiculous security gate. So we got in and 490 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 4: the biggest thing that we realized first was just how disorganized. 491 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 4: This was at least compared to the RNC. Now, this 492 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 4: is due to number of factors, the protests being one. 493 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 4: They're simply just more people at the DNC, like, way 494 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 4: way more people. 495 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely feel like one of the right wing 496 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: things to do right now is to be like there 497 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: was nobody there. 498 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. It was packed. 499 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: It was way more crowded than Monday at the hour. 500 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 4: It was much harder to find a place to sit 501 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 4: inside the arena. 502 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 2: Honestly hard to find a place to comfortably stand inside 503 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: the arena. No, so unbelievably packed. Garrison and I got 504 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: inside of the actual seating area trying to find a 505 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: place to sit briefly as VP Harris came to greet 506 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: the crowd, and it was roar y. 507 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 4: It was what I would describe as electric electric. People 508 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 4: really like to see her. She played it very casual 509 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 4: to kind of open up the convention. She didn't even 510 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 4: have a podium. She was just basically a stand up 511 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 4: set walking around with him. 512 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: She came out to be like hey girl. 513 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, and she was. She was opening things up 514 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 4: very informally. People seem to really like that, and then 515 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 4: you know, a lot of a lot of the main 516 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 4: speakers started started to kind of roll out. Now me 517 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 4: and Sophie were able to somehow get special tickets to 518 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 4: go on the actual like delegate floor area, something we 519 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 4: never were able to do during the R and C 520 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 4: Dare I say big mistake, which was this was a 521 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 4: massive error on our part. 522 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: This is why I just sat at the bar because it. 523 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 4: Is a nightmare down there, so much pushing, shoving, no 524 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 4: place to go. 525 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: You really get to taste democracy. 526 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 4: As soon as we stepped on the floor AOC walked 527 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 4: on stage, everything went crazy. 528 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: It was it was a nightmare called. 529 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 2: For ceasfire Gaza, which apparently I did not see any 530 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: of the speeches before her, but apparently that was the 531 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: first time that was done at night, and the crowd 532 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 2: loved it. 533 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 3: She gave a great speech, mean speech, talking about working people. 534 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 4: I think it's also important because of just how well 535 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 4: she was received and like the kind of the spot 536 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 4: that she had at the convention. 537 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 3: Like she is she used to. 538 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 4: Be kind of be like an outsider to like the 539 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 4: Democrat party right and at this point loved she is 540 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 4: like fully within the fold of like the Democrat machine 541 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 4: and for better or worse, to probably a mix of both. 542 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 3: In some regards, there's. 543 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: A lot of talk that in eight or twelve years 544 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: she's going to be running and yeah. 545 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, she she is preparing for a long political career. Yeah, 546 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 4: and people seem to like her and the person that 547 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 4: spoke immediately after AOC while while we while me and 548 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 4: Sophie were still being shuffled around the show floor. 549 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 2: I don't think shuffled is the way to even describe it. 550 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: You guys have seen the Jordan Peele movie. Sorry, what's 551 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: what's the one with the sky monster? Nope, nope. Yeah, 552 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: it's like being it's being caught. It's like you're being 553 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: sharned with a bunch of other people. 554 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: My hair, my hair was caught in like a CNN camera, 555 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: like you could not breathe. It was like a mosh bit, 556 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: but not fun. 557 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 3: No, we were we were caught inside the jean jacket. 558 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: It was we were being slashed around. 559 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: There's three aisles and we were in the center aisle 560 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: Jesus christtically like parallel to where the person who would 561 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: be speaking comes up to talk. 562 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 4: And then Hillary Clinton took the stage and unfortunately the 563 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 4: crowd loved it. 564 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: They went fairal for Hillary Clinton. 565 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, baffling, just baffling. 566 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 4: It was. 567 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: I looked back at Garrison and I and we both 568 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: with each other like death. 569 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 3: Wanted to die. 570 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: It's it's like when you're in a foreign country and 571 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: they eat some sort of like lutfisk or something some 572 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: sort of like weird rotten fish dish that they just 573 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: love over there or okay, or. 574 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 4: When they eat like American garbage fast food and also 575 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 4: love and you're like, oh no, it's a terrifying I 576 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: don't know. 577 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: What I was expecting, but I just didn't think the 578 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: DNC still loved Hillary the way they do. But they 579 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: went fair. 580 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: She was like very popular. I mean, she won the primaries. 581 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: She's got a base of support. She just is. The 582 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: people who hate her hate her a lot. Excuse. 583 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 3: She gave a very big, mad speech. 584 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 2: She loss of arm waving. 585 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: People disagree about that. Garrison. People got angry at me 586 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: for saying she seems angry. 587 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: She she was a little big man. I would I 588 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: wouldn't say. 589 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: I would say she gave a standard Hillary Clinton. 590 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was a pretty standard. 591 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 8: Yeah. 592 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: She's just not very likable and charismatic. So but she did. 593 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: I do I do have a great picture of wins 594 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: Garrison and I survived the floor. We were up in 595 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 2: a press area and of Hillary Clinton with both her 596 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: hands in the air and the crowd eating it up. 597 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 4: Again a choice, Yeah, navigating this this whole place with 598 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 4: an area We're never going to go in the on 599 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 4: the delegate floor again, just a nightmare, thank you, being 600 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 4: shuffled around corridors. 601 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: It's it's it's terrible. 602 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 4: There was a few other you know a few other speakers, 603 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 4: uh Bashieri, I think did didn't okay speech, you know, uh, 604 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 4: lot of stuff about abortion, A lot of videos on 605 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 4: the big jumbo tron about about cop prosecutor Kamala taken 606 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 4: down the felon Donald Trump as expected, they had they had. 607 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: Do we want to play a clip of that? By 608 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: the way, do you have the Law and Order clip, 609 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: Sophie Garson? Do I have the Law Quarter clip? Of course, 610 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: I have the Law and. 611 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 4: Order kam and we can play twenty seconds of the 612 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: Law and Order clip. 613 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: Yes. There was several different videos played throughout the night, 614 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: but I would say the most memorable one was the 615 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 2: Law and Order themed clip featuring Big Bad kam Law 616 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: as the prosecutor and criminal Donald Trump as the villain 617 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: of the story. 618 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: The New York sex pest criminal of the Week. 619 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 9: The criminal justice system the people are represented by two 620 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 9: separate yet equally important groups, the police who investigate crime 621 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 9: and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. This is 622 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 9: the story of Donald Trump. His entire life. Trump has 623 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 9: believed he's above the law, that no one would ever 624 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 9: dare hold them accountable. For the first time in history, 625 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 9: we have a convicted felon running for president, and to 626 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 9: take on this case, we need a president who has 627 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 9: spent her life prosecuting perpetrators, like Donald Trump. 628 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: God damn it. 629 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: It was the choice and it was night one. We'll 630 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 3: see how that plays. 631 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 4: So Jill Biden introduced well, first introduced her daughter, and 632 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 4: then they introduced Joe Biden. I think one interesting thing 633 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 4: is that throughout the night I started seeing more green 634 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 4: Jill signs, which I thought was really confusing, like who's 635 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 4: snuck in Jill Stein Green party. 636 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 3: Signs into this? 637 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 4: And then I realized, no, the signs for Jill Biden, 638 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 4: which I don't know if they chose green signs to 639 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 4: be intentionally like trying to like reclaim green for Jill Biden. 640 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: Instead of Jill Stein. I don't know. I found it 641 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 3: to be odd. 642 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 4: She led the crowd and like we love Joe Chance 643 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 4: And immediately as soon as everyone started changing like we 644 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 4: love Joe, thank you Joe, it started to feel like 645 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 4: we're kind of just sending him out to pasture. 646 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 3: And that was the main vibe of the Joe Biden. 647 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: He was very emotional. 648 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: Putting on his favorite Spotify up. 649 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was very emotional, came out crying after his 650 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: daughter introduced him. And I would say there was like 651 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: a good ten minute standing ovation for. 652 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 3: Him, maybe five, but it was. It was long. 653 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: It was I was being generous. It's his last big thing. 654 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't they It's a really nice farm. You know, 655 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: there's a great view of the mountains from it. Beautiful 656 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: upstasted run through in the summer all day long, Orgia. 657 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: We just run it. 658 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 2: We had a direct view of the teleprompter. Did a 659 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: great job reading that teleprompter. He won offscript, you know 660 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: a handful of times. 661 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 4: But his actual performance was pretty good. Yeah, especially for 662 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 4: coming out around like eleven pm. 663 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 6: He did. 664 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: He did pretty good. 665 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: It was a strong It was a strong performance for Joe. 666 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 4: One of the first things he mentioned was Charlottesville, as 667 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 4: he talked about before in his campaign for being with 668 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 4: the reason that he ran in twenty twenty, you know, 669 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 4: talking about how, you know, lots of rhetoric was identical 670 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 4: from Nazis and anti Semitic vile from the nineteen thirties. 671 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 4: He had he had a line describing kind of the 672 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 4: alt right movement as as old ghosts in new garments. 673 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 4: I thought that was well written by whatever speech writer 674 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 4: at the White House was putting that one together. Yeah, 675 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 4: you know, talking about how Trump's being aligned with these 676 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 4: like with this new version of the KKK, they just 677 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 4: they just forgot to wear their hoods, talking about you know, 678 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 4: very fine people on both sides. Hate has no safe 679 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 4: harbor in America, all that kind of stuff. And you know, 680 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 4: this was this rhetoric was a lot more common back 681 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 4: in like, you know, twenty nineteen, you know, right after 682 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 4: Charlotte's film, during like the height of like the alt 683 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 4: right movement. We don't hear this as much anymore, but 684 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 4: I think it is important to remember that this was 685 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 4: not that long ago. He then kind of talked about 686 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 4: mostly the past. He wasn't talking about kind of the future. 687 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 4: He was talking about what the Biden administration has been 688 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 4: able to do the past four years, and trying to 689 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 4: tie in, you know, Kamula to all of the good 690 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 4: things that have happened, you know, talking about four years 691 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 4: of progress, you know, making waves with COVID, with the economy, 692 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 4: lots of new jobs, Inflation is down at least now. 693 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 3: He gave his greatest shrinking the racial wealth gaps. 694 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 4: You know, health insurance stocks are good. We finally beat 695 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 4: big Pharma, I'm sure whatever. A lot of stuff about 696 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 4: tying him to the unions, you know, saying that Dan 697 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 4: people have called him the most the most pro union 698 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 4: president in history, and he's like, I'm proud to I'm 699 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 4: proud to take on that Moniker or. 700 00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 3: Something like that. 701 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 4: Union Joe Union Joe said he was the first president 702 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 4: to walk the picket line. So you know, they were 703 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 4: definitely focusing a lot of that union messaging. It is 704 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 4: interesting considering that one union leader spoke at the RNC yeah, 705 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 4: back when the nomination for the Democrats. 706 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: Speech is yes, yes, yes. 707 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 4: Very brief talk about carbon emissions and pollution, but similarly 708 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 4: very little climate change stuff. 709 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: Almost yeah. 710 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 4: It's which is which has been common throughout this whole campaign, this, this, this, 711 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 4: this whole election has been very little mention of climate 712 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 4: change stuff. 713 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: You really get a feeling of what a gift it 714 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: has been for the Democratic Party that the Republicans have 715 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: given them all this fascism stuff to talk about, rather 716 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: than actually needing to make any kind of serious statements 717 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,959 Speaker 1: about what they're going to do to be climate change. 718 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 4: Part of the other kind of achievements that he was, 719 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 4: you know, Lotting was saying that they finally beat the 720 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 4: NRA passing this gun safety bill, and next they're going 721 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 4: to ban assault weapons and pass universal background safety bill. 722 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: Okay, it was one of the ones that didn't really 723 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah, correct, Ye. 724 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 7: Yes. 725 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 4: There was a brief section about the border, saying that 726 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 4: there is now fewer border crossings than when Trump left office, 727 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 4: saying that, you know, Trump tried to kill our border 728 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 4: security bill, and he said the main thing that makes 729 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 4: us different from the Republicans is that we won't demonize immigrants. 730 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: We are going to. 731 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 4: They're going to still do really really bad like border 732 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 4: violence and really really bad border. 733 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: Security policies from asylum from being able to like flee 734 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: bad situations. 735 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 4: But they're not going to be spending the whole convention 736 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 4: every single day, talking NonStop about how immigrants are coming 737 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 4: to rape your family, and like, yeah, that is true, 738 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 4: you don't talk about them the same way. But some 739 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 4: of your actual policies are not all that different from 740 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 4: what most Republicans in office want. You know, they're not 741 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 4: calling for massive deportations at the same rate. But still, 742 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 4: that border security bill was very similar to ones that 743 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 4: Trump was proposing, and the only reason that Trump killed 744 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 4: it was so that Biden wouldn't be able to take credit, 745 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 4: which Biden didn't also say during the. 746 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: Speech order fear mongery. I mean, it's just been a 747 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: titanic victory for the. 748 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 4: Right, and talk about abortion, talk about how if Harris's 749 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 4: is president, she'll be able to sign in something that 750 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 4: puts into law that right to abortion, saying that quote, 751 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 4: MAGA found out the power of women in twenty twenty two, 752 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 4: saying that they're going to find out again in twenty 753 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 4: twenty four, which he's not wrong about, Dadley, that is 754 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 4: that is repealing Roe v Wade did I did sign 755 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 4: election results. 756 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: In twenty two, twenty twenty five, abortions mandatory finally. 757 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 4: And yeah, he's you know, talking about the quote we 758 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 4: got to put a prosecutor in the oval office instead 759 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 4: of a convicted Felon said, saying that Harris is going 760 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 4: to be forty seven. And whenever he made a comment 761 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 4: like that talking about how Harris is going to be 762 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 4: the next president, the whole crowd sort of breaking own chance, 763 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 4: saying thank you Joe, thank you Joe. It's just really 764 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 4: funny because they are just thanking him for stepping down 765 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 4: for the race. 766 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: Everybody wanted a chance to remember what two thousand and 767 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: eight was like, and they got it, and they could 768 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: not be more greatful. 769 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 2: And just just interesting to note that it took it 770 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 2: did take him quite a while to really start talking 771 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: about kamalaw but whenever the large chance of thank you 772 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 2: Joe would start, he'd be like, no, no, no, thank 773 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 2: you Kambola. 774 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 4: One of the last things that Joe talked about was 775 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 4: briefly mentioning Ukraine and then talking about Gaza. And this 776 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 4: is kind of one of the last things in his 777 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 4: speech before he started like his closing remarks. You know, 778 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 4: he talked about, you know, the need to get to 779 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 4: get the hostages to safety and to quote unquote end 780 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 4: of the war in Gaza, saying that they're working around 781 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 4: the clock to surge humanitarian aid into Gaza and to 782 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 4: get a lasting ceasefire. He then gave a small off 783 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 4: the cuff mention to the DNC protests, and this part 784 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 4: wasn't on the teleprompter. He said, quote, those protesters out 785 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 4: in the street have a point. A lot of innocent 786 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 4: people are being killed on both sides. And he made 787 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 4: similar comments to this last march, saying that protesters who 788 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 4: were disrupting a rally of his quote unquote have a point. 789 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 4: So he has used this line before, but this was 790 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 4: kind of the only acknowledgment of the protests that I 791 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 4: saw today from any of the DNC speeches. It is 792 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 4: interesting that this was not scripted, was just something that 793 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 4: he said. 794 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 2: Because as mentioned before, we had a view of the telerompter. 795 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 4: And at the same time that this happened, someone on 796 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 4: the far side of the crowd unfurled a banner, and 797 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 4: I think Robert has some more infro on that. 798 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a couple of delegates who managed to 799 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: sneak in a banner. 800 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 3: Do you know if they were delegates? Well, at least 801 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 3: one of them was Okay, a. 802 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: Banner that said stop arming Israel. They unfurled it and 803 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: got a very strong and negative reaction from the people 804 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: around them, some of whom were hitting them or at 805 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: least shoving them. I think it kind of you could 806 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 1: look at the video and use either term. 807 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 3: They were definitely like moving, like pushing. 808 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: They were definitely aggressively making contact with them. 809 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 3: With these like big wooden signs that people have not. 810 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 1: These thank you Joe signs, and then set up a 811 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: chant of thank you Joe to kind of like drown 812 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: them out as the people filming in the venue like 813 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: cut the lights basically down to the lights in that 814 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 1: area so that it would it would be less visible. 815 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: Eventually they got the banner away from them, but it 816 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: was one of those like it shows you kind of 817 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: the hollowness of there's enough of a need that even 818 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: Biden had to make a positive reference to the protesters. 819 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: They see it as enough of a potential threat to, 820 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, being able to get the votes they need 821 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: that they they have to signpost to it. But a banner, 822 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: and this is not a radical banner. Stop arming Israel 823 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: is not a radical stance down. 824 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 3: It's not calling an end to the state of events. 825 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: It wasn't an Intifada revolution banner right right. It was 826 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: a literally just stop sending guns. 827 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 4: And stopped doing this to Israel that's being used to 828 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 4: bomb them and people. 829 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: People were angry enough that I don't want to overstate 830 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: the level of physical violence, but I don't want to 831 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: understate that they were physically aggressive over this like to 832 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: and and had this small group of people surrounded. And 833 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: seeing that is a reminder that I am not in 834 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: line with the people on the left who repeatedly call 835 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 1: the DIMS fascist, because fascism means something, it's a real 836 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,439 Speaker 1: political things. Have plenty of authoritarians, and that's what that is. 837 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: Is that is authoritarian thinking, and it can and will, 838 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: if not checked, lead to a lot uglier shift than 839 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: what we saw last night. So I did not like 840 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: seeing that. It is a reminder that even as nice 841 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: as the vibe shift has been, and I'm I'm not 842 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: going to try to take enjoyment from that away from people, 843 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,720 Speaker 1: we are still in a real pickle as a country. 844 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: Ari are acceptance of authoritarian aims and tactics. 845 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 3: And especially you know, sending twenty billion dollars in bombs. 846 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 1: And sending twenty billion dollars in bop, just send the tape, 847 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 1: take all the Israel weapons and send them to the Ukrainians. 848 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: That's that's my stance. 849 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 3: I'm sure Rudy Giuliani will love that. 850 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 4: Yeah so yeah, I mean you said that the crowd 851 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 4: had a big reaction to some of the Palestine stuff, 852 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 4: and at least from inside the convention certainly calls for 853 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 4: ceasefire did that was big. When Biden made his little 854 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 4: comment acknowledging the protests, the whole room kind of went silent, 855 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 4: like everyone was kind of surprised. Like it was it 856 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 4: was like a chill went over the air, like no 857 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 4: one knew how to take it. 858 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 3: There. 859 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 4: There wasn't like massive cheers, there wasn't booze either, but 860 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 4: like it was weird because like arguably Biden gave a 861 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 4: more positive comment referring to the protests than most of 862 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 4: like the regular like delegates and attendees. Most of the 863 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 4: attendees we were standing around in the waiting line were 864 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 4: much more like negative and dismissive. And I think I 865 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 4: think Biden's comment kind of like took the wind out 866 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 4: of the air, at least inside the convention arena. But 867 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 4: that was basically the end of it. He gave, you know, 868 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 4: closing closing remarks. Kamala went onto stage, They hugged, they 869 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 4: did their little thing, and then me and Sophie went 870 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 4: out of the convention as fast as we could, and 871 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 4: we found this little corridor exit because we didn't want 872 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 4: to mess with like the like with like the escalators 873 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 4: or the elevator because that's always a nightmare. So we 874 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 4: found this nice little staircase and I turned to the 875 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 4: left walking down the stairs, and I saw two very 876 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 4: large men in ryan gear with two assault weapons, and 877 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 4: I said, I guess we're going that way. 878 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 3: Then I turned around and walk the other direction. 879 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 2: Honestly, funniest moment of the day. 880 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 4: We were like like ten feet away from these guys, 881 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 4: away some of the giants, some of the most heavily 882 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 4: armed men I've ever seen. I think we stumbled across 883 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 4: because I looked at that signs later, I think with 884 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 4: someone across the security gate for the presidential motor case. 885 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 4: So that's that's where we almost accidentally went. 886 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, those are guys who have spent every year 887 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: of the last twenty years of their lives just planning 888 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: to kill as many people as they care. The second 889 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: someone takes them off the lad They. 890 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 3: Would shoot a twink on site. 891 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: They not care, they don't give you, they don't give 892 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: a fuck who They shoot the instant they have a chance. 893 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 4: So me and so we left as soon as we 894 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 4: could and went back to the hotel and immediately went 895 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:47,280 Speaker 4: to sleep. 896 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 3: And that was the first night at the DNC. 897 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,240 Speaker 1: You had drinks with me, garas. 898 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 2: I did not. 899 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: We shared a special moment. 900 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 3: I'm trying to create a compelling narrative of the podcast. 901 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was compelling narrative that we had 902 00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: a nice drength was. 903 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 2: I said hi to you and then I went okay bye. 904 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't interested in you because you left. 905 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I abandoned you. I'm so sorry. 906 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 4: But that anyway, that was the first night at the 907 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 4: dn Z. That was the first round of speeches. I 908 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 4: believe tonight we're gonna split up. Somebody's going to go 909 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 4: and then go over there and me and Robert are 910 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,280 Speaker 4: going to be back in the streets. 911 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will report if anything of interest happens. It 912 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 2: is the I believe Bill Clinton Obama night. Jess, It's 913 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 2: once again the years twenty twenty four is the Bill 914 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 2: Clinton Obama. 915 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: It would be pretty funny if Bill Clinton got played 916 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: onto stage by bad Leroy Brown. 917 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 4: All right, this is it can happen here? You think 918 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 4: it happened here? 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