WEBVTT - #797 Packers Unscripted: Matching up with Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Mike Spofford, joined by the one and only

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<v Speaker 2>Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios

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<v Speaker 2>at lambeau Field to preview Week four lambeau Field Packers

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<v Speaker 2>against the Vikings. It will be a noon Central Time

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<v Speaker 2>kickoff and uh wes. Packers are two and one. As

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<v Speaker 2>we know, Jordan Love is continuing to practice. He's feeling better,

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<v Speaker 2>he's moving better, he's still limited. We don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to play or not. So it could be

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Love, it could be Milik Willis. But what we

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<v Speaker 2>do know is the Minnesota Vikings are three and oh

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<v Speaker 2>and they are sitting on top of the NFC North

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll let you decide where you want to start.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's with Sam darm and his one seventeen passer

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<v Speaker 2>rating in what appears to be the resurrection of a

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat previously lost career, or this Vikings defense that leads

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<v Speaker 2>the league with sixteen sacks and has only allowed thirty

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<v Speaker 2>points in three games. The Vikings are are pretty formidable

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<v Speaker 2>on both sides of the ball. Here This isn't This

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<v Speaker 2>isn't just some kind of one trick pony club.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad that you didn't open with the Aaron Jones thing,

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<v Speaker 3>because I might just end up filling up the entire

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<v Speaker 3>episode with I have.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to it, this, we'll get to it.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to Aaron Jones.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to start with Donald. If I may and

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<v Speaker 3>you wrote already about the defense, you can touch on that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I maybe I can interject a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 3>Sam Donald really impresses me for two reasons. One, I

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<v Speaker 3>like this idea Baker Mayfield achieve this as well. I

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<v Speaker 3>like this idea of guys who specifically are from that

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<v Speaker 3>draft class that it didn't work out for them in.

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<v Speaker 1>Their first stop.

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<v Speaker 3>They had to find their way again, and it wasn't easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Mayfield ended up making a spot start on five days

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<v Speaker 3>notice with the Los Angeles Rams couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>After it didn't work out in Carolina, Donald goes to Carolina,

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<v Speaker 3>it also doesn't work out. He goes to San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 3>gets a few opportunities. I remember when the forty nine

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<v Speaker 3>ers signed him. I'm kind of like, what are they doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Why do they need him? And then he ends up

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<v Speaker 3>being counted on. And then the Minnesota Vikings and tip

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<v Speaker 3>your cap to them for this decision because they move

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<v Speaker 3>on from Kirk Cousins. They draft JJ McCarthy, but Sam

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<v Speaker 3>Donald is chosen as that kind of bridge gapping quarterback,

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<v Speaker 3>and then of course this injury with the knee happens

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<v Speaker 3>with McCarthy, So now Sam Donald is the starting quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you get guys who are naturally talented, a

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<v Speaker 3>first round pedigree, that learn from their mistakes and make

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<v Speaker 3>the adjustments like Donald has, I think you got to

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<v Speaker 3>tip your cap to him. And as I've told you

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<v Speaker 3>several times this week already, I tip my cap to

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin O'Connell because he's been in this position several times now.

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<v Speaker 3>For him to have a winning record in his time

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<v Speaker 3>as the Minnesota Vikings head coach with as many different

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<v Speaker 3>quarterbacks as he's had to cycle through, I think speaks

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<v Speaker 3>to his creativeness. And seeing these two sides match up,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is just going to make for tremendous theater

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<v Speaker 3>on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's going to be an incredible matchup.

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<v Speaker 2>We've we've seen what Matt Lafleuur has done under the

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<v Speaker 2>gun with Malik Willis not having been here very long

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<v Speaker 2>devising these different types of game plans, getting Willis to

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<v Speaker 2>execute the offense to the level that he has and

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers get two wins without Jordan Love. Kevin O'Connell

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<v Speaker 2>we saw him last year with Minnesota when Kirk Cousins

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<v Speaker 2>first went down, which happened at lambeau Field actually in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the season. When Cousins first went down,

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<v Speaker 2>they threw Josh Dobbs in there at quarterback, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Dobbs sort of I guess a journeyman, a guy trying

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<v Speaker 2>to find his way, however you want to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Vikings won three games with Josh Dobbs. Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>O'Connell was the guy devising the game plans and the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that Matt Lafleur has been doing this year. He

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<v Speaker 2>was doing that. They got some wins with Josh Dobbs,

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<v Speaker 2>three of them, and they were staying in the playoff

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<v Speaker 2>hunt for a little while, and then the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the league kind of caught up to what going on

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<v Speaker 2>with Josh Dobbs. Then the Vikings shifted gears to Nick Mullins.

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<v Speaker 2>Mullins actually came very very close in two games to

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<v Speaker 2>beating the Lions and the Bengals. He came up short

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<v Speaker 2>in both of those games, but again it was a

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<v Speaker 2>testament to Kevin O'Connell taking a new quarterback, figuring something

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<v Speaker 2>out and keeping his team competitive and giving them a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to win. I think the difference now that it's

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Donald instead of Nick Bullen's or Josh Dobbs, the

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<v Speaker 2>difference is that Sam Donald was drafted at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the first round for a reason. He's a first

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<v Speaker 2>round talent. There is a ton to work with there.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin O'Connell just has that much more to work with

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<v Speaker 2>in this change at quarterback than he had last year

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<v Speaker 2>after the cousin's injury, and its showing both of these

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<v Speaker 2>head coaches are incredibly creative and resourceful offensive minds in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of figuring out how to compete, how to get

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<v Speaker 2>their teams with different quarterbacks in a position to win games.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not necessarily gonna win them all, No, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>how it works in this league. But these two head

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<v Speaker 2>coaches and what they've both been through here in the

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<v Speaker 2>very recent past and that not so distant past, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it makes for a whale of a matchup.

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<v Speaker 1>It does.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure if you ask anybody on these Shanahan

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<v Speaker 3>McVeigh coaching trees, nobody's gonna say, hey, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>play without my quarterback, right But it's impressive to see

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<v Speaker 3>how all these guys have managed it, whether it's Kyle Shannon,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it is Sean McVay. To some extent, you look

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<v Speaker 3>at it last year, what happened in Cincinnati. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there are so many different With Zach Taylor, there's so

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<v Speaker 3>many different situations that you get thrust into, and you

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<v Speaker 3>can tell how these guys all embrace it. And beyond that,

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<v Speaker 3>the Minnesota vikings last year kind of reminded me of

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<v Speaker 3>a car that had some real bad issues underneath the engine,

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<v Speaker 3>but they just had a pretty good mechanic that kept

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<v Speaker 3>that thing going until ultimately, I think it did run

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<v Speaker 3>out of gas and kind of fell to the side

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<v Speaker 3>of the road.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to reset.

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<v Speaker 3>But the fact that this happened with McCarthy, you hate

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<v Speaker 3>that he's not going to get that year of development

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<v Speaker 3>now on the field. But it's almost like O'Connell and everybody,

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<v Speaker 3>they were prepared and understood what the task was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be. And much like what Green Bay did with

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<v Speaker 3>Malik Willis. Donald has a bevy of weapons at his disposal.

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<v Speaker 3>He has arguably the best receiver in the National Football

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<v Speaker 3>League that he's throwing to. He has, independent of his

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<v Speaker 3>connections to the Packers, one of the most consistently prolific

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<v Speaker 3>running backs in the National Football League over the last

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<v Speaker 3>five six years in Aaron Jones. I think the offensive

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<v Speaker 3>line still has some issues. I've felt that way for

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<v Speaker 3>several years now with the Vikings. But all that being said,

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<v Speaker 3>they're playing winning football right now and it starts with

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<v Speaker 3>what Donald is doing under center.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, let's get into where things are with Aaron Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>Through three games with Minnesota, he has two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight rushing yards ninety seven receiving yards, so well

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<v Speaker 2>over three hundred yards from scrimmage in three games, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of touchdowns, one rush, one receiving. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>number that jumps out the most is that he's averaging

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<v Speaker 2>five point four yards per carry thus far for the Vikings.

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<v Speaker 2>He's uh, he's been everything the Vikings could have hoped for,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly what he is doing for Minnesota is not

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<v Speaker 2>a surprise to anybody in Green Bay who knows him.

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<v Speaker 2>And he'll be uh, he'll be wearing a different uniform,

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<v Speaker 2>but he'll be back in lambeau Field Sunday. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be really interesting to watch him again.

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<v Speaker 3>It will be Mike and and from an ex as

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<v Speaker 3>and O's perspective at Isaam McDuffie had some interesting points

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<v Speaker 3>and saying the challenge with Jones is even though he's

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<v Speaker 3>as small as he is, it's that he still finds

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<v Speaker 3>a way to drag you for three or five extra yards.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he's almost he's kind of like a miniature Derrick

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<v Speaker 3>Henry in a way where it's just like it's you

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<v Speaker 3>look at him and you think, okay, it's a smaller

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<v Speaker 3>type backscat back. Now Aaron Jones packs a punch and

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<v Speaker 3>now the Packers, after having to try to just tag

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<v Speaker 3>off on him for seven years, now have to bring

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<v Speaker 3>him down to the ground. And that's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a challenging in and of itself from a humanistic standpoint.

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<v Speaker 3>You heard it with Mattle talking at the podium this week.

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<v Speaker 3>You heard it from the guys in the locker room.

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<v Speaker 3>This is undisputed one of the most popular Green Bay

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<v Speaker 3>Packer players in the modern time of this franchise. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>fan perspective, players perspective. I joked with Matt Steiman in

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<v Speaker 3>the locker room on Wednesday, I think we're all doing

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<v Speaker 3>these Aaron Jones stories, myself included. I think the more

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<v Speaker 3>intriguing story would be to walk around trying to find

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<v Speaker 3>one person who doesn't like Aaron Jones in Green Bay's

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<v Speaker 3>locker room or anywhere in the world. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 3>guy has such an incredible personality, has such incredible perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>and comes from such an incredible family. And I was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of marinating on that a little bit as I

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<v Speaker 3>was finishing up the story that I wrote for our

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<v Speaker 3>website on Thursday morning. It was about nine o'clock at night,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm kind of going through the story and going

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<v Speaker 3>through his Player's Tribune article, which was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll tell you if you haven't seen the Player's

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<v Speaker 2>Tribune piece, by all means, please check it out. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an absolutely wonderful tribute to Green Bay, the organization and

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<v Speaker 2>the fans of this franchise and what and how Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Jones feels about hold it.

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron Jones didn't just go, hey, look at all the

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<v Speaker 3>great stuff that happened some crap happened to him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>he mentioned getting busted, you know, getting pulled over what

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<v Speaker 3>it was with marijuana in his system, and that costing

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<v Speaker 3>him a game, and him feeling like that that was

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<v Speaker 3>costing the team. And you know, obviously the sad stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that happened with his father in twenty twenty one. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I still have the text message on my

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<v Speaker 3>phone from Elvin Senior when he congratulated me on the

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<v Speaker 3>birth of my son, and you know, running into it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, his mom Virgus out in the verrgis out

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<v Speaker 3>in the parking lot after Aaron had been released and

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<v Speaker 3>had signed with the Vikings and her seeing me and

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<v Speaker 3>immediately the first thing before I even get any words out,

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<v Speaker 3>is her going, why are you so sad? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>just the perspective. This family has almost sixty years collectively

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<v Speaker 3>between his parents in the US military, and it all

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<v Speaker 3>trickled down to Aaron and his brother and his sister

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<v Speaker 3>in that entire family and Aaron Junior. Now, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>this guy means so much to this football team. But

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<v Speaker 3>as Matt Lafleur said, for three hours, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>press pause on all that because they have to get

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<v Speaker 3>and thirty three to the ground. And while Aaron Jones gives,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, his departure leaves a lot in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>a void of the Packers locker room. His presence here

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<v Speaker 3>for those seven years left so much behind with the

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<v Speaker 3>players that are there, with the coaches that are there.

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<v Speaker 3>And as I said on my Instagram story earlier this week,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you hate to see him in a number

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<v Speaker 3>another color uniform, but it is going to be tremendous

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<v Speaker 3>to see him back at Lambeufield on Sunday. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even I can't even imagine for him, like emotionally,

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<v Speaker 2>what it's going to be like. You know, we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about a little bit with regard to you know, Malik

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<v Speaker 2>Willis walking back into you know, Nissan Stadium in Nashville.

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<v Speaker 2>But this, this is, this is entirely different, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is not about this. This is about one

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<v Speaker 2>of the franchise's all time greats, you know, the number

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<v Speaker 2>three leading rusher in the one hundred plus years of

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay Packers football. And and for everything that Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Jones accomplished on the field, he's remembered around here for

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<v Speaker 2>the person, the man, you know, the son, the brother

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<v Speaker 2>that he has always been off the field, and uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it'll it'll I think it'll be. I think it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be mixed emotions for all of us watching from the

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<v Speaker 2>press box. It's like, there's there's gonna be like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when when uh, when that number thirty three gets the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, all right, yeah the packers and Packers have

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<v Speaker 2>to tackle him. But at the same time, if he

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<v Speaker 2>breaks into the open field and has a big play,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be interesting. Just how how is the crowd at

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<v Speaker 2>Lambo going to react to that, you know, because he's

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<v Speaker 2>he is such a such a beloved player.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike, you're gonna hear a pin drop, is what's gonna happen? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened? I may think, I think so, I mean yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And just to mention too, I mean a lot of

0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.120
<v Speaker 3>people have been asking this. An insider inboxing, you've seen

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<v Speaker 3>it too. We both answered the questions. Just how fans

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<v Speaker 3>are supposed to feel, Well, here's the thing where the

0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:57.920
<v Speaker 3>fans get kind of lucky. Yes, your your voice, it matters,

0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.600
<v Speaker 3>your cheers matter, but ultimately you just have to watch

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<v Speaker 3>what happens. The Packers' defense, they're the ones that have

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Problem.

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<v Speaker 3>And as Kenny Clark said, you watch what he did

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<v Speaker 3>in Texas. When you go back to Dallas, the way

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<v Speaker 3>he played, He's going to be juiced up for this

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<v Speaker 3>matchup against the Packers. But as Kenny said, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be juiced up too. Isaiah McDuffie wasn't talking about

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<v Speaker 3>this in terms of I mean, oh my goodness, we

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<v Speaker 3>got a face Aaron Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, no, I'm excited about This.

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<v Speaker 3>Is gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>They are competitors at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But in terms of the Packers run defense and

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<v Speaker 3>some of the things you and I talked about the

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<v Speaker 3>last few weeks, this is a supreme test. This guy

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<v Speaker 3>is going to test you in ways they haven't been

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<v Speaker 3>tested that so far this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And oh, by the way, you also have to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with Justin Jefferson, who San Francisco forty nine Ers

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<v Speaker 2>found out. The answer is not as simple as okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just blit, Sam Darnold, because turn on the tape,

0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.200
<v Speaker 2>turn on the video from the Vikings win over the

0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.160
<v Speaker 2>forty nine Ers in Week two. The Vikings are backed

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<v Speaker 2>up inside their own five yard line and the forty

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<v Speaker 2>nine Ers they send a five man rush. Right after

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<v Speaker 2>the snap, a sixth guy is coming, and as Darnald

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<v Speaker 2>sets up in the pocket, a seventh guy is coming

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<v Speaker 2>after him a seven man pressure and what happens. Justin

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<v Speaker 2>Jefferson catches a ninety seven yard touchdown pass absolutely burn

0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the forty nine ers defense. And I mean in what

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<v Speaker 2>obviously was the difference making play in a game that

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<v Speaker 2>the Vikings won by seven points twenty four to seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>over the forty nine Ers, in a game that almost

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<v Speaker 2>nobody expected them to win, especially because they had upset

0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.160
<v Speaker 2>the forty nine ers last year when nobody expected them

0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:39.520
<v Speaker 2>to be able to win that game. So we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>how the Packers go about it. I'm sure jy R.

0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Alexander wants to wants to line up against Justin Jefferson

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<v Speaker 2>and take that for all it's worth. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>how this goes as well. It's not as easy as

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<v Speaker 2>just doing that on every single snap for sixty five snaps.

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<v Speaker 2>You know of the game, there's gonna be some mix

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<v Speaker 2>and match that you have to change things up a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit to not allow them to necessarily know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what you're doing on every single play. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to see number twenty three for the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>against Justin Jefferson plenty on Sunday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>And again my headline for Insider Inbox on Thursday was,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what these matchups are, what football is all about.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to see good on good, you want to

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<v Speaker 3>see best on best. And we've seen it several times

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<v Speaker 3>already with Jefferson and Alexander in the past, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and all Pro, two time All Pro cornerback going up

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<v Speaker 3>against you know, a guy that has been rewarded as

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<v Speaker 3>the NFL's top receiver and still has very much everything

0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.880
<v Speaker 3>still ahead of him. And watching Jefferson be able to

0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:42.200
<v Speaker 3>play as seamlessly and as explosively as he has throughout

0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.840
<v Speaker 3>all these quarterback changes, I think speaks to the fact

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<v Speaker 3>of how talented this guy is. In a way, it

0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.520
<v Speaker 3>almost kind of reminds me of Calvin Johnson. Yeah, Kelvin

0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.360
<v Speaker 3>Johnson's a Pro Football Hall of Famer, but it's not

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<v Speaker 3>like he had Matthew Stafford there the entire time. He

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<v Speaker 3>had to wade through an ohe to sixteen season to

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<v Speaker 3>still be able to put up those numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the guy that comes to mind for me that

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<v Speaker 2>and I agree with you on Calvin Johnson, But the

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<v Speaker 2>one that comes to mind for me is Larry Fitzgerald

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<v Speaker 2>with the Arizona Cardinals.

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<v Speaker 1>And all the size wise for sure, and all.

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<v Speaker 2>The different quarterbacks that he went through, and the guy

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<v Speaker 2>played like a Hall of Famer and was a Hall

0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.160
<v Speaker 2>of Famer no matter who was throwing the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is such a luxury for again, for Sam

0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Darnold who's going into this thing. The weapons he has

0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.680
<v Speaker 3>here are vastly different than the weapons he had available

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<v Speaker 3>to him in New York and Carolina. San Francisco obviously

0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.320
<v Speaker 3>saw him have some success last year. But it is again,

0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.600
<v Speaker 3>it's all over the place. But to me, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure we'll get to keys to Victi here in

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit, but I mean, you have to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to pressure him. I don't think you can send

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<v Speaker 3>the house every time. But they have given up eight

0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.640
<v Speaker 3>sacks this season. You have to find ways to generate

0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.840
<v Speaker 3>those takeaways and generate those negative yardage plays because if

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<v Speaker 3>you go back and look at when Green Bay has

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<v Speaker 3>been successful this year, that's how they've done it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, switching gears to the Vikings defense, it's there

0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.080
<v Speaker 2>are a couple of mainstays. Harrison Smith is still playing safety.

0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Harrison Phillip on the interior the defensive line. He's I

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<v Speaker 2>believe he just got a new contract. I did not

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<v Speaker 2>that not that long ago. But there are all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of these other pieces that have been brought in from elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Jonathan Greenard and Andrew Van Ginkel are the

0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.760
<v Speaker 2>edge rushers. Those guys have combined for seven of the

0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.600
<v Speaker 2>sixteen sacks, the league leading sixteen sacks that the Vikings

0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.359
<v Speaker 2>have put up. They went through several injuries at cornerback

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<v Speaker 2>during training camp, so they brought in Stefan Gilmour, the

0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.520
<v Speaker 2>veteran he's now a starting corner for them. And Brian Flores,

0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the defensive coordinator. This is his second year now with

0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Kevin O'Connell and he has a scheme. He has a

0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:47.480
<v Speaker 2>scheme that is predicated on confusion in a lot of ways. It's,

0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:52.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, not letting the offense know what it is

0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.720
<v Speaker 2>that you're doing and trying to create that hesitation, trying

0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.400
<v Speaker 2>to create that confusion, the uncertainty on the offensive side

0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:04.120
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't all allow you to execute cleanly, to execute efficiently,

0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:09.120
<v Speaker 2>to move the ball. Through three games, they've caused all

0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:13.320
<v Speaker 2>kinds of problems, and you know, Brian Flores seems to have,

0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, he was just sort of feeling his way

0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.520
<v Speaker 2>in some ways putting this type of defense together in

0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota last year. It seems like with all these veterans

0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.959
<v Speaker 2>that they brought in, they don't have a lot of

0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.159
<v Speaker 2>inexperienced guys on that defense. With all these veterans that

0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.080
<v Speaker 2>have been brought in, Brian Flores has kind of cranked

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<v Speaker 2>it up a notch and his players are responding.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a perfect analogy in terms of them cranking up

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<v Speaker 3>a notch. And you know, and you give Flora's credit

0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.200
<v Speaker 3>for everything he's doing. I think he's a brilliant defensive mind.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, the only thing I and Matt Floora is

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<v Speaker 3>right that they're the only ones doing this. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>not like this is just completely newly invented football. This

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<v Speaker 3>is Bill Belichick's defense. This is the way they tried

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<v Speaker 3>to do things in the Patriots when things were going

0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.320
<v Speaker 3>really well when Tom Brady was there. Different fronts, different looks,

0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:01.120
<v Speaker 3>different personnel, matchup dependent schemes, which is, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna find what we do well and we're gonna emphasize that.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, if we think there's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be an opening there to take advantage of, we're

0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.840
<v Speaker 3>gonna jump all over that. And then the other aspect

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<v Speaker 3>of it. I always draw this analogy. I call this

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<v Speaker 3>a Madden situation, which is back when I was a

0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.000
<v Speaker 3>kid and I'd get the Madden Game every year. You

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<v Speaker 3>do the franchise mode, you get to free agency, and

0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.160
<v Speaker 3>you just try to sign all the best free agents

0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:24.880
<v Speaker 3>and then just put them in your defense. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>really really matter what it is. That's what the Vikings did. Yeah,

0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.760
<v Speaker 3>but I give them a lot of credit for as

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<v Speaker 3>many new additions as they've made, some of them high priced,

0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.760
<v Speaker 3>some of them more modest. They've made all this fit

0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.080
<v Speaker 3>and in Flores he had a plan here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you look at guys like Van Ginkle coming in, had

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<v Speaker 3>the history in Miami. I think Grenard has been in

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<v Speaker 3>a sensation. Blake Cashman has been tremendous with what he's

0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.359
<v Speaker 3>done so far, and that's been a big shift in

0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.440
<v Speaker 3>the middle of that defense, which for so many years

0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:59.320
<v Speaker 3>always had very familiar faces. By and large, they'd play

0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.600
<v Speaker 3>really good team defense, and the defensive front is stout

0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.640
<v Speaker 3>you're going up against a unit that's given up seventy

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<v Speaker 3>one rushing yards a game. And it's also not just

0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.000
<v Speaker 3>the fact that no one's running against them. Teams are

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<v Speaker 3>trying and they're still only giving up the third fewest

0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.080
<v Speaker 3>rushing yards per play. Where I see the opportunity lying

0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.920
<v Speaker 3>for this Packers offense is I still have major questions

0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.119
<v Speaker 3>about that secondary. Stefan Gilmore has been around for a

0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.320
<v Speaker 3>long time, but I mean he came in late, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's not like his previous few years have all been

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<v Speaker 3>the same type of all pro level that it was

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<v Speaker 3>six seven years ago. Harrison Smith is still one of

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<v Speaker 3>the best to do it, but he's a little bit

0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:37.359
<v Speaker 3>longer in the tooth. The secondary is where the unraveling

0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.680
<v Speaker 3>started from Minnesota several years ago. I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out right now if they've caught back up to where

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<v Speaker 3>it was kind of in the prime peak of that

0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:46.119
<v Speaker 3>Mike Zimmer defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have Harrison Smith and Gambaying them are the safeties.

0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Those are the guys who have been there. As we said,

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<v Speaker 2>Gilmore has come in as a corner. Byron Murphy is

0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the other starting corner and he's been there. He knows

0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:06.800
<v Speaker 2>obviously Flores's system. I agree with you that that is

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<v Speaker 2>the play. That is the place where you look at

0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.240
<v Speaker 2>it and you think you should be able to attack

0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.600
<v Speaker 2>that secondary. But they just they make it. They make

0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:21.080
<v Speaker 2>it very difficult to get explosive plays, to get those

0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, to get those big gainers that shift the momentum,

0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.520
<v Speaker 2>and I mean, you know, and in this case, the

0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:29.600
<v Speaker 2>numbers don't lie. I mean, you play three. I don't

0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.439
<v Speaker 2>care who the opponents are, but I mean two of

0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.240
<v Speaker 2>these opponents were the forty nine ers and the Texans.

0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.600
<v Speaker 2>And yet through three games, these guys have only allowed

0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.520
<v Speaker 2>thirty points. That is really really hard to do over

0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.600
<v Speaker 2>any three game stretch in the NFL.

0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.800
<v Speaker 3>And keep this in mind too. You'll look at the

0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.720
<v Speaker 3>defense from Minnesota. You'll see twenty sixth against the pass

0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.000
<v Speaker 3>so far this season, two hundred and thirty nine yards allowed.

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.919
<v Speaker 3>They are eleventh in yards per play. When you're talking

0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.280
<v Speaker 3>about not giving up explosive plays, that's where it's reflected

0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.360
<v Speaker 3>in chunk plays. They're making you go the whole span

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.720
<v Speaker 3>of the field. They're getting pressures, they're getting takeaways, they're

0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:06.400
<v Speaker 3>getting in to the house.

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<v Speaker 2>one because I did a little bit of the research

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<v Speaker 2>and the math here and what I find to be

0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:51.399
<v Speaker 2>a rather alarming but impressive statistic with regard to the

0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 2>vikings they have in their three victories. They have trailed

0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:02.240
<v Speaker 2>for all of three minutes and twenty six seconds. Against

0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.480
<v Speaker 2>the New York Giants. They were down three to nothing

0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.520
<v Speaker 2>for three and a half minutes before they took the lead.

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:11.800
<v Speaker 2>In that game, they have been tied for roughly twenty

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 2>one minutes of play, and those ties being only at

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.800
<v Speaker 2>zero zero before the first score of the game. So

0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.520
<v Speaker 2>for one hundred and fifty five and a half minutes

0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.399
<v Speaker 2>out of one hundred and eighty they have been playing

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:29.159
<v Speaker 2>with a lead. Now. There is no better way to

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<v Speaker 2>help a new quarterback, as the Packers have shown with

0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Malik Willis, there is no better way to help a

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:38.680
<v Speaker 2>defense than to be playing from in front, and that

0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 2>is that has been the formula for the Minnesota Vikings,

0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.360
<v Speaker 2>is to get on top and stay there. I think

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:50.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, a fast start never hurts you in football, right,

0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 2>But if you're going to make it a priority for

0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:57.639
<v Speaker 2>any given game to start fast, it's this one. Because

0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.600
<v Speaker 2>if you can flip that script on Minnesota, you get

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:02.800
<v Speaker 2>them maybe out of their comfort zone a little bit.

0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 2>They have to try to win a game in a

0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 2>way that they haven't won before, which is to come

0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.639
<v Speaker 2>from behind. If you can start fast and jump on

0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:14.159
<v Speaker 2>these guys early, I'll be curious to see. I'll be

0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 2>curious to see what happens. I think it's I think

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.200
<v Speaker 2>it's exactly what the Packers need to do someday.

0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:22.200
<v Speaker 3>The Vikings are twenty ninth in average time of possession,

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Like that's wild that their defense has been this dominant,

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:28.720
<v Speaker 3>But yet they've been out there pretty much more than

0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.480
<v Speaker 3>any other unit in the league in terms of at

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.000
<v Speaker 3>least the teams that are really playing winning football here

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.679
<v Speaker 3>early on. That part of it fascinates me, and I

0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 3>agree with you one hundred percent. I think when you

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 3>and Xavier McKinny, that same statistic was brought to Zavier

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 3>McKinney at his locker.

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 1>On Wednesday, and he's like, wow.

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.119
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I didn't really even fully appreciate that that

0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 3>it was only three minutes in change, and he's like,

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 3>that speaks to a lot of efficiency. It speaks to

0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.159
<v Speaker 3>being able to jump on teams, and it also speaks

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.360
<v Speaker 3>to explosive gains in the fact that I think Sam

0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Darnod's already thrown a ninety seven yard touchdown pass this

0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:04.480
<v Speaker 3>season to Justin Jefferson, So being able to get points

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 3>on the board is paramount, but seeing how their defense

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:10.159
<v Speaker 3>has also reacted to it as critical. I personally feel like,

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 3>when I break down this matchup, green Bay has to

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.399
<v Speaker 3>be able to run the football. We'll see is it

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 3>Jordan Love, is it Malik Willis. Time will tell, we'll

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 3>know ninety minutes before the game.

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Likely yep.

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:26.920
<v Speaker 3>But Minnesota is a lot like Tennessee. Their bodies aren't

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:30.720
<v Speaker 3>as big, but they rally to the football and they

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.879
<v Speaker 3>get guys to the ground. Green Bay has to battle

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.439
<v Speaker 3>through that. They need to set that tone because I

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:39.440
<v Speaker 3>think if you do that, regardless of who's that quarterback,

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:41.879
<v Speaker 3>that's where the secondary really opens up to you. And

0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 3>the Packers have the horses to do it. Josh Jacobs,

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 3>you know last week he had to earn every yard

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:50.199
<v Speaker 3>that he got, but we saw against Indianapolis how he

0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 3>can take over a football game, can take over a

0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 3>first half. Emmanuel Wilson eighty five total yards this past weekend,

0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.439
<v Speaker 3>first NFL touchdown pass quickly is proving he can be

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:02.560
<v Speaker 3>a bona fide number two running back in this league,

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.960
<v Speaker 3>and he's still climbing. I think that the potential is

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 3>there for Green Bay to really have success against this front,

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:11.640
<v Speaker 3>but you have to earn it and the blueprint is there.

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:13.879
<v Speaker 3>The schemes have been different, the game plans have varied,

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 3>but protecting the football, establishing the run in feasting off

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 3>explosive plays, that's been the prototype to the Packers having

0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 3>the fifth top offense in the NFL right now on

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 3>the number one ranked run offense in the NFL, despite

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 3>the fact that Jordan Love hasn't played eight quarters.

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the when you look at when you look at

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 2>what the Minnesota Vikings are trying to do defensively with

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 2>regard to the confusion, all the different all the different

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 2>pressure looks, and you know, are they blitzing, are they bluffing?

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:42.919
<v Speaker 2>Are they you know, who's coming, who's not? All that

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. There's a big difference in the success

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 2>rate of that kind of stuff on third and eight

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 2>versus third and two. Right, I mean so, and that

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 2>speaks to you got to be able to run the ball.

0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:57.199
<v Speaker 2>You've got to be able to stay ahead of the chains,

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 2>because when you get behind the chains, then it's all about, Okay,

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 2>what what is Brian Flores and these guys, you know

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 2>what are what are they dialing up in this situation

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 2>to just to just be disruptive and cause all these

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.439
<v Speaker 2>questions as to exactly what's going on out there. So

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you entirely. And then, of course it

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 2>almost goes without saying, but the Packers' success so far

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 2>this season defensively has very much been predicated on turning

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:28.679
<v Speaker 2>the ball over, on getting the takeaways. I mean, to

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 2>have three in a game for three straight games, that's

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 2>a tough streak to continue. But man, if you can

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 2>keep taking the ball away. Even if it's just one

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.120
<v Speaker 2>or two times against the Vikings here, that could go

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 2>a long way toward a potential.

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Vick, especially if you do it early.

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.120
<v Speaker 3>I felt like for all those big plays they made,

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.360
<v Speaker 3>and I did my best to summarize all of them

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.879
<v Speaker 3>in the Key to the Game story after afterwards. But

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 3>I really thought everything started with jy R. Alexander. And

0:26:57.800 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying it has to be a pick six

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 3>every time, sure, but when you have a play that

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 3>takes the air out of the balloon of an offense,

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 3>the momentum game never shifted. I mean, there were times

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.679
<v Speaker 3>that Tennessee still had success, but it didn't feel the

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 3>same as it did before that moment where the game

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 3>goes from ten to seven to seventeen to seven.

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 1>You need that moment again in this game.

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 3>If Sam Darnold does make a mistake, if he's trying

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 3>to test you deep, you have to find ways to

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 3>execute upon that. The most exciting thing to me, I

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 3>didn't cover the twenty eleven defense like you did. Can't

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 3>give you the blow by blowing exactly what happened there.

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 3>With the amount of takeaways they had relative the amount

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 3>of yards they conceded. But this unit, to me, at

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 3>least in my time, they are the most apt to

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 3>taking away the ball at every single level that I

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 3>think I've covered. I think they have the safeties on

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 3>the back end to make those plays. We saw with

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 3>jyr Alexander what he can do outside. I think Eric

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Stokes's time is coming because he's going to continue to

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 3>get targeted when Alexander's on the other side. It's only

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 3>a matter of time if he stays healthy, that he's

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 3>going to get his pick. There's athleticism inside linebacker Eric

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 3>Eric Wilson excuse me, already has an interception and you're

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 3>seeing right now at Devonte Why at the monster that

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 3>this guy's becoming up front. The Packers can do it.

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 3>They can take the ball away at every single level.

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 3>How quickly can you do that and can you find

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 3>that game changing play like they have in these last

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 3>two wins.

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's to me. I mean what I've seen

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 2>so far of the of the Jeff Hafley defense, and

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 2>the fans have asked me an insider inbox. They asked

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 2>me in the live blog like okay, so what sort

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 2>of like what's the identity of this defense, And it

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 2>feels to me like it's the it's it's a defense

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 2>that is hunting for the big game changing play. It's

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 2>hard to play defense in this league. Offenses are good,

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 2>the rules are geared against you. Defensively. You're going to

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 2>give up first downs, you're going to give up plays,

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 2>you're going to give up yards in a big spot.

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Can you can you make the play that changes things?

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>And and I think that's what you know, with with

0:28:55.960 --> 0:29:00.479
<v Speaker 2>all the vision based and you know, and with pressure

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>to get after the quarterback and the emphasis. I mean,

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 2>we heard we heard from Jeff Haffley after the Brazil

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 2>game against the Eagles that when they went back and

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>watched the film, they were showing the players, Hey, here

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 2>was an opportunity where you could have swatted the ball

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 2>out of Jalen Hurts his hands, right. I mean, that's

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 2>what they are, that's what they are emphasizing. That's what

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 2>they are pushing with these guys. When you have a

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 2>chance to make a play on the ball, you've got

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 2>to make it.

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>And we'll see.

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>The Vikings have been pretty good at protecting the ball.

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Darnold has put the ball on the ground a few times.

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 2>They have not the Vikings haven't lost any of those fumbles.

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Jones has lost one fumble, I believe. Obviously, the

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Vikings aren't three and zero by turning the ball over

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 2>a bunch. As you know the Tennessee Titans last week

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 2>and we talked about how much they had been turning

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>it over. So a completely different situation in that regard.

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 2>But that's what this Packers defense is after. They are

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 2>after the play that is going to shift the momentum

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>of the game, the play that is going to change

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the landscape out there. So far, they've been able to

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 2>do it. They weren't able to necessarily take advantage of

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>it against the Eagles and that's why the Packers came

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>up short there. But they've been able to make those

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>plays in the last two games to chalk up two

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 2>wins with a backup.

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Quarterback, and they did it against the Titans.

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the turn turnovers and takeaways are reflected in one way,

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 3>but you look at the fact that they stop Will

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 3>Levis on that fourth and two attempted read. Yeah, early

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 3>third quarter, that's what turned into it doesn't go down

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 3>as a takeaway and ways off points, but that's what

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 3>created the opportunity for Emanuel Wilson to get that thirty

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 3>yard touchdown off the screen. You have to be able

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 3>to convert that, especially when you get the ball in

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 3>that part of the field.

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, quickly before we go, just looking around at the

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 2>other games in Week four in the NFL. To me,

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 2>other than Packers Vikings, which I think a lot of

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>people at the top of the list watching it, it's

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>a big time game. But to me, it's all it's

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 2>the it's the primetime games. This week Sunday Night Football,

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Buffalo is at Baltimore. You have the Bills trying to

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>get to four and ah while the Ravens are trying

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 2>to avoid one and three. They're coming off of the

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 2>big win over the Cowboys. And then on Monday Night Football,

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 2>the three and oh Seattle Seahawks going into Ford Field

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 2>in Detroit to face the two and one Detroit Lions.

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of a big early season game here in

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 2>the NFC as well.

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Seattle's doing what Seattle does. I mean, Kenneth Walker

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 3>misses these two games, they make a change there at

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 3>running back, they still keep the train on the tracks.

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Gino Smith throws two interceptions last week. It doesn't matter.

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 3>They still are making plays. Just the fact it's like

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 3>Pete Carroll's gone, but it still feels like the same

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.719
<v Speaker 3>team with how they're with what they're doing out there

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 3>and how they're achieving this. Now you have them, you

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 3>have the Lions. The Lions are coming back off some adversity.

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that is going to be a big, major matchup.

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 3>It's funny now with Detroit playing the way they're playing,

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 3>We're getting primetime games at ford Field now that we

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 3>never got for like my first.

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.479
<v Speaker 1>Ten years on the beat. Absolutely, and you feel that shift.

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Be interesting to see how tough a place Ford Field

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 2>becomes to play. Oh yeah, as they get these primetime

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 2>games in the crowd gets jazzed up. And I mean,

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 2>because they were talking last year in those two home

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 2>playoff games, they hadn't there hadn't been that kind of

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>intensity at Ford Field in a long long time, maybe

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>ever since the stadium opened in the early two thousand.

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 3>I would venture to guess because you and I were there.

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't working here at the time, but you and

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 3>I were there for the Hail Mary game, and we

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 3>were there for the winner take all game in sixteen. Yeah,

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 3>I bet those two games are the closest they've come

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 3>to that, probably like because there were not a lot

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 3>of times when I watched those games on television, not

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 3>that you hear everything, but that there was that type

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 3>of fervor. But I remember specifically that sixteen game when

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:37.960
<v Speaker 3>it's like, Okay, they might have a chance here to

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:43.719
<v Speaker 3>work their way in, and the way the crowd responded

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 3>and just that is a community that is a fan

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 3>base that is just waiting for a reason to come

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 3>on glued. Oh yeah, and Dan Campbell has fostered all

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 3>of those emotions and it's led to some really exciting football.

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that'll be interesting to see. Me personally, the

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 3>game I'm most looking forward to, although we will not

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 3>have any chance at watching it, I think at all,

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 3>is Washington and Arizona. Okay, Cliff Kingsbury's bringing that offense

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 3>back to Arizona, and we saw what happened last week

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 3>with Jaden Daniels, Jade and Daniel and now Kyler Murray

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<v Speaker 3>on the other side of things. Marvin Harrison Junior, I

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<v Speaker 3>think that that's going to be sixty minutes of just

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<v Speaker 3>absolute offense, especially if dan Quinn's defense doesn't stop anybody

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<v Speaker 3>again like what happened against the Bengals, But I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I just think that is going to be a track meet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and seeing Jaden Daniels Man we talked about on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 3>just how perfect he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I give him all the credit in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll tell you what, man, it didn't work all

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<v Speaker 3>great for Kingsbury as a head coach, But when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to offensive football in that tree that he comes

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<v Speaker 3>off of, it's an exciting brand and it seems to

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<v Speaker 3>be something that young quarterbacks can really thrive in. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very excited to see how that game plays out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And two teams that haven't been in the mix

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, and both of them Washington Arizona maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're they're on the verge here, one or

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<v Speaker 2>both of them might be, you know, a couple months

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<v Speaker 2>from now, we might be talking about one or both

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<v Speaker 2>of those teams being in the mix.

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<v Speaker 3>In divisions that are entirely up for grabs right now. Yep,

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<v Speaker 3>the NFC West, for as much as it always feels

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<v Speaker 3>like it is, the forty nine Ers show, all those

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<v Speaker 3>teams are constantly in play.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the forty nine Ers have two losses early that

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<v Speaker 2>that that hasn't that hasn't happened all that all that often,

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<v Speaker 2>and and the uh and the Rams.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Rams beat the forty nine ers last

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<v Speaker 2>week in a big division matchup there to avoid dropping

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<v Speaker 2>to zero to three. So and and the Packers are

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<v Speaker 2>going to see the Rams heading out to LA next week.

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<v Speaker 2>So so yeah, a lot of a lot of really

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<v Speaker 2>intriguing stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, the NFC East, other than the Giants,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all right there. Yeah, the Cowboys are struggling right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Washington's in a very interesting position. It was incredible after

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<v Speaker 3>that game reading the mont of stories. I know, I

0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 3>told you that the day after, but reading the amount

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<v Speaker 3>of stories of people in and people feeling like they

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<v Speaker 3>were literally just a quarterback away from really being able

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<v Speaker 3>to compete.

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<v Speaker 1>Monday night proved it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Eagles, who are two and one, are going

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<v Speaker 2>to Tampa for a playoff rematch from last year where

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<v Speaker 2>their season ended. Last year, there's gonna be there's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a revenge kind of bounce back factor there

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<v Speaker 2>for Philadelphia going up against a Buccaneers team that lost

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a head scratcher last week when they were

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<v Speaker 2>looking like they would end up three to zero based

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 2>on their matchup, and they're sitting at two and one

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what happened a week ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to watching none of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know we have work to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>We get to watch I think will be the best

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<v Speaker 2>game absolutely entire week in Week four. With that, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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<v Speaker 2>Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the

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<v Speaker 2>team and everything from Sunday's game at lambeau Field Packers

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<v Speaker 2>Vikings Aaron Jones, Justin Jefferson, maybe it's Jordan Love, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's Malik Willis. We will find out. We'll have it

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<v Speaker 2>all for you on Packers dot com. For Wes, I'm Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for tuning in.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>We will see you next time.