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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody? Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Season with Peter Schrager. We have now entered the

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Speaker 1: month of April, which is Draft season s z N.

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Speaker 1: It's my favorite time of year. And as I promised

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Speaker 1: in our last podcast, although Good Morning Football is not

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Speaker 1: on the air during Draft season, I will be churning

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Speaker 1: out content and a lot of it will be through

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Speaker 1: this podcast. Here I'm joined by the great Aaron Wang Kaufman. Aaron,

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Speaker 1: how was your Easter weekend and how have you been?

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Speaker 1: My friend?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? I mean it was unlike today. It was

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Speaker 2: a pretty beautiful time in Brooklyn and New York. We've

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Speaker 2: spent some time in Prospect Park, went for some runs,

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Speaker 2: you know, I had some good outdoor time finally.

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Speaker 1: Which I feel like I love hearing. It been a

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Speaker 1: little cold. So can I ask you have you been

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Speaker 1: caught up in the Caitlin Clark hysteria at all? Caught up?

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Speaker 2: I mean I am aware of it. I will admit

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Speaker 2: I am more closely following NBA right now than I

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Speaker 2: am more interesting. Really typically for me, like once the

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Speaker 2: NBA games during the NFL season, but the NFL season ends,

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Speaker 2: like then I'm like full in on washing NBA. Uh,

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Speaker 2: And I think there are a lot of great storylines there.

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Speaker 2: I have just watched clips and highlights of.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I watched a full Dame full game last night.

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Speaker 1: Lsu I was She's unbelievable and I've been a fan

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Speaker 1: she and I text quite a bit. The reason being,

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Speaker 1: women's Beak ten tournament was in Indianapolis. I guess two

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Speaker 1: I'm at the bar and the Iowa Athletic director or

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Speaker 1: the SID whoever it was, and I started talking and

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Speaker 1: she's talking to me about you know, Caitlyn loves the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Kitlyn Clark absolutely loves Mahomes and the Chiefs, and he goes, yes,

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Speaker 1: we've been I'm aware of it, but I've never had

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Speaker 1: a chance to connect. And then I got through this

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Speaker 1: sid in contact with Kitlyn Clark. I put her in

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Speaker 1: contact with Brett Veach. We we have a text chain, the

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Speaker 1: three of us, and Veach is like her biggest cheerleader.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you see her in all these state formads. She

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Speaker 1: is a legit Chiefs fan. She went Christmas Day if

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Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, and like, let us all know that

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Speaker 1: But Caitlyn Clark is no joke a football fan. Knows

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Speaker 1: her Chiefs inside and out. And there's like pictures of

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Speaker 1: her like from her childhood wearing I don't even know

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Speaker 1: But is she from Iowa though she's not even from Kansas,

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Speaker 1: not from Kansas City. There's no like geographical connection. I'm

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Speaker 1: So she loves the Chiefs and I tweeted last night

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Speaker 1: I said, she's my Homes, she has ten threes and

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Speaker 1: it to you, and she does it anyway. About a haters,

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Speaker 1: I love it. People are like she's not one shit

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Speaker 1: But these NCAA tournament games start at ten o'clock at night,

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Speaker 1: six nine two and seventy five pounds, big body, he

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to do this podcast with you, Aaron. Jim

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Speaker 1: Naggy's great. Can't wait to talk to him about Dj Burns,

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Speaker 1: an NFL prospect coming up after this. Our guest this

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Speaker 1: week is a dear friend of mine and one of

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Speaker 1: in general. We've had him on before on the season

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Speaker 1: with Peter Schreger. He is the executive director of the

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Speaker 1: Reese's Senior Bowl. He's an eighteen year NFL scout, and

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Speaker 3: Peter, thanks for having me back on. It's going to

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is going to be fun. We are less

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Speaker 1: and I plan on having you on multiple times in

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Speaker 1: Here's my tweet. April first spoke to and texted multiple

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Speaker 1: scouts and GMS about North Carolina State big man DJ

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Fact I did. He is listed at

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Speaker 1: the week after the Final four. By potentially money, I

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Speaker 1: a undrafted free agent. I put that tweet out not

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Speaker 1: thinking anything of it. It has twelve million impressions, two

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Speaker 1: Can't just be me, And then a few hours later,

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Speaker 1: yesterday he wrote, I don't do lame April Fools posts, Jim.

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Speaker 1: The reaction to your tweet suggesting him as just a

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Speaker 1: slow it all down. You know, there's football tough and

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Speaker 1: there's basketball tough, and we have no idea if he's

430
00:20:58,546 --> 00:20:59,226
Speaker 1: football tough.

431
00:21:00,466 --> 00:21:02,666
Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. Yeah, Pete, Pete nailed it.

432
00:21:02,746 --> 00:21:05,106
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big that's a big part of it.

433
00:21:05,146 --> 00:21:07,706
Speaker 4: And again, a lot of these projects have been tight ends.

434
00:21:07,826 --> 00:21:09,706
Speaker 4: A lot of these projections that have hit have bet

435
00:21:09,706 --> 00:21:13,106
Speaker 4: you know the Mo Walley Cox is the Jimmy Grahams. Yeah,

436
00:21:13,426 --> 00:21:15,586
Speaker 4: that's a different position. You can flex those guys out

437
00:21:15,666 --> 00:21:18,106
Speaker 4: right and make those guys pass catchers. I mean, if

438
00:21:18,666 --> 00:21:21,506
Speaker 4: DJ Burns hits, he would hit as an offensive lineman.

439
00:21:21,546 --> 00:21:24,426
Speaker 4: And and there are there are more finesse tackles than

440
00:21:24,586 --> 00:21:27,906
Speaker 4: than than others, and there's power players, but it's there's

441
00:21:28,306 --> 00:21:32,506
Speaker 4: a there's an element of physicality regardless if you're on

442
00:21:32,546 --> 00:21:33,346
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage.

443
00:21:33,386 --> 00:21:34,986
Speaker 3: So that is the great unknown.

444
00:21:35,346 --> 00:21:38,106
Speaker 1: Your buddy who lives in that area was trying to

445
00:21:38,186 --> 00:21:39,826
Speaker 1: keep it quiet. Do you think there's a lot of

446
00:21:39,826 --> 00:21:42,586
Speaker 1: those in the draft where there's like, hey, this is

447
00:21:42,626 --> 00:21:45,426
Speaker 1: a little undercover gem that no one else has that

448
00:21:45,426 --> 00:21:47,706
Speaker 1: that I know, and we're not going to publicize it,

449
00:21:47,746 --> 00:21:50,786
Speaker 1: but might not be on the radar. And plays basketball like,

450
00:21:51,186 --> 00:21:53,106
Speaker 1: is there someone dedicated to that? And each team I

451
00:21:53,106 --> 00:21:55,946
Speaker 1: don't know how front offices work, but someone put a

452
00:21:55,986 --> 00:21:59,466
Speaker 1: tweet out who said, forget what team, it might have

453
00:21:59,586 --> 00:22:02,426
Speaker 1: been Denver or New England, and it was like, since

454
00:22:02,506 --> 00:22:04,946
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, this guy's been hired and his job

455
00:22:05,026 --> 00:22:07,786
Speaker 1: is to look at all college basketball players and try

456
00:22:07,786 --> 00:22:11,506
Speaker 1: to find the guys, you know, the square for the

457
00:22:11,586 --> 00:22:13,986
Speaker 1: round peg that maybe the sport is wrong and we

458
00:22:13,986 --> 00:22:15,786
Speaker 1: can match him up and get into football. Is there

459
00:22:15,866 --> 00:22:17,946
Speaker 1: is that a dedicated job in a front office.

460
00:22:18,666 --> 00:22:20,746
Speaker 4: I've never known it to be a dedicated job. That's

461
00:22:20,746 --> 00:22:23,706
Speaker 4: a really good question, you know, speaking to the guy

462
00:22:23,786 --> 00:22:26,026
Speaker 4: that's up there. I mean, when they're in your backyard,

463
00:22:26,066 --> 00:22:28,226
Speaker 4: you might take your take your kid to a basket

464
00:22:28,306 --> 00:22:30,426
Speaker 4: college basketball game and notice him or something like that.

465
00:22:30,506 --> 00:22:32,586
Speaker 4: But these NFL scouts don't have a lot of time

466
00:22:32,626 --> 00:22:35,666
Speaker 4: to be on watching college basketball on television. That's that's

467
00:22:35,706 --> 00:22:38,146
Speaker 4: That's one thing I'll say this after. I want to

468
00:22:38,186 --> 00:22:42,226
Speaker 4: say it might have been after maybe after the Allie

469
00:22:42,346 --> 00:22:45,746
Speaker 4: Cox year and we had him up to Seattle. One

470
00:22:45,746 --> 00:22:47,666
Speaker 4: of the guys in our department in Seattle, you know,

471
00:22:47,706 --> 00:22:49,786
Speaker 4: one of the upper level guys, assigned it to all

472
00:22:49,786 --> 00:22:53,026
Speaker 4: the scouts. They broke up the country by area scout

473
00:22:53,626 --> 00:22:57,106
Speaker 4: and did a comprehensive study of you know, I don't

474
00:22:57,146 --> 00:22:59,106
Speaker 4: know how he did it. I don't know how analytically

475
00:22:59,106 --> 00:23:01,386
Speaker 4: he broke it down, like what level of basketball player

476
00:23:01,426 --> 00:23:03,386
Speaker 4: they had to be Statistically, I don't know how he

477
00:23:03,426 --> 00:23:05,586
Speaker 4: found him, but he ran searches of guys that did

478
00:23:05,626 --> 00:23:08,466
Speaker 4: play high school for football. Then we're also like starting

479
00:23:08,546 --> 00:23:12,106
Speaker 4: level basketball players, and we had to make calls. We

480
00:23:12,146 --> 00:23:14,506
Speaker 4: had to make calls to the basketball programs at schools,

481
00:23:14,506 --> 00:23:16,466
Speaker 4: which is really weird that year, you know, if you're

482
00:23:16,466 --> 00:23:19,226
Speaker 4: reaching out to like directors of basketball operations, those were

483
00:23:19,346 --> 00:23:21,466
Speaker 4: calls I was used to be used to making, And

484
00:23:21,466 --> 00:23:23,026
Speaker 4: I don't know if they still do that, but I know,

485
00:23:23,066 --> 00:23:24,586
Speaker 4: at least for a couple of years up in Seattle,

486
00:23:24,626 --> 00:23:25,066
Speaker 4: we did that.

487
00:23:25,346 --> 00:23:28,546
Speaker 1: I love that because it shows picking outside the box

488
00:23:28,666 --> 00:23:33,106
Speaker 1: and creativity being a football you know, media guy. I'm

489
00:23:33,106 --> 00:23:35,106
Speaker 1: not gonna say a football guy, but football media guy.

490
00:23:35,586 --> 00:23:38,106
Speaker 1: There was always this sensitivity where they'd be like, well,

491
00:23:38,146 --> 00:23:41,346
Speaker 1: if Alan Iverson played football, he would be the best,

492
00:23:41,426 --> 00:23:44,786
Speaker 1: or Randy not Randy. If Lebron James played wide receiver,

493
00:23:44,786 --> 00:23:46,866
Speaker 1: he'd be the best wide receiver of all time and

494
00:23:46,986 --> 00:23:49,946
Speaker 1: time and time again. Football people would say, slow down,

495
00:23:50,186 --> 00:23:53,266
Speaker 1: you know, is there a threat almost to the football

496
00:23:53,306 --> 00:23:56,186
Speaker 1: community when you hear someone like me tweet out DJ

497
00:23:56,346 --> 00:23:58,346
Speaker 1: Burns could be an offensive tackle in the NFL, Like,

498
00:23:58,426 --> 00:24:00,506
Speaker 1: is it insulting to those who dedicate their lives to

499
00:24:00,586 --> 00:24:01,346
Speaker 1: the position.

500
00:24:01,906 --> 00:24:04,346
Speaker 4: Peter, It shouldn't be. And you are a football guy, dude,

501
00:24:04,386 --> 00:24:08,146
Speaker 4: you sat down there seventy fifth You knew that you

502
00:24:08,226 --> 00:24:10,906
Speaker 4: knew all our seventy fifth guys career highlights and everything.

503
00:24:10,946 --> 00:24:14,386
Speaker 4: Year your football guy, it shouldn't be threatening. And you

504
00:24:14,386 --> 00:24:17,146
Speaker 4: know to the lebron thing like, I'll talk about Jimmy

505
00:24:17,186 --> 00:24:20,066
Speaker 4: Graham a little bit. So I scouted Jimmy Graham when

506
00:24:20,066 --> 00:24:21,986
Speaker 4: he was coming out of Miami. They had three tight

507
00:24:22,106 --> 00:24:24,026
Speaker 4: ends that year. I think one was Clive Warford. I

508
00:24:24,066 --> 00:24:25,586
Speaker 4: can't remember who the other guy was, but they were

509
00:24:25,586 --> 00:24:29,506
Speaker 4: all good players. I was there in August and we're

510
00:24:29,546 --> 00:24:32,226
Speaker 4: watching in edge of that Joel beginning of practice. You know,

511
00:24:32,426 --> 00:24:35,306
Speaker 4: pads are popping. You know, it's basically tight end against

512
00:24:35,586 --> 00:24:39,266
Speaker 4: against defensive end, and Jimmy's getting ragged all all over

513
00:24:39,266 --> 00:24:41,946
Speaker 4: the place. And there was a long time scout Joe

514
00:24:41,946 --> 00:24:44,986
Speaker 4: Collins from the New York Giants. He's retired now.

515
00:24:45,026 --> 00:24:45,666
Speaker 3: I love Joe.

516
00:24:46,306 --> 00:24:47,826
Speaker 4: And he looked over at me and he was like

517
00:24:47,906 --> 00:24:49,586
Speaker 4: He's like, that basketball player is going to be the

518
00:24:49,586 --> 00:24:51,626
Speaker 4: best one. And I'm like, Joe, the guy is just

519
00:24:51,626 --> 00:24:53,346
Speaker 4: getting tossed around right now, is going to be the

520
00:24:53,346 --> 00:24:53,746
Speaker 4: best one.

521
00:24:54,106 --> 00:24:55,266
Speaker 3: And then they broke that drill.

522
00:24:55,346 --> 00:24:57,386
Speaker 4: They they went off and did like seven on seven

523
00:24:57,506 --> 00:25:00,586
Speaker 4: or or you know, rots on air with the quarterbacks.

524
00:25:00,666 --> 00:25:03,666
Speaker 4: And then you saw Jimmy, you know, move and break

525
00:25:04,066 --> 00:25:05,266
Speaker 4: and I was like, Okay.

526
00:25:05,626 --> 00:25:07,586
Speaker 3: I looked at Joe. I'm like, you might be onto something,

527
00:25:07,786 --> 00:25:09,346
Speaker 3: and he was like, jim I cheated. I was here

528
00:25:09,426 --> 00:25:10,386
Speaker 3: yesterday for practicing.

529
00:25:10,426 --> 00:25:11,906
Speaker 1: He saw it, he saw him dominating.

530
00:25:12,026 --> 00:25:15,386
Speaker 4: Yeah, but think about this, So, Jimmy Graham has, you know,

531
00:25:15,546 --> 00:25:17,666
Speaker 4: kind of a borderline Hall of Fame career.

532
00:25:18,026 --> 00:25:18,626
Speaker 3: Who knows what.

533
00:25:18,746 --> 00:25:20,146
Speaker 4: I saw a tweet the other day like, what what

534
00:25:20,426 --> 00:25:22,906
Speaker 4: would Jimmy's career look like if the Saints never traded

535
00:25:22,946 --> 00:25:25,626
Speaker 4: him to the Seahawks total for Max Hunger, if he

536
00:25:25,706 --> 00:25:28,186
Speaker 4: stayed with with Drew Berries whole career, what would his

537
00:25:28,266 --> 00:25:31,466
Speaker 4: numbers look like? Again, regardless, he's one of the best

538
00:25:31,506 --> 00:25:35,946
Speaker 4: players in Saint's history, right. So, and he was a

539
00:25:35,986 --> 00:25:39,066
Speaker 4: dirty work player for the Miami basketball team. He was

540
00:25:39,186 --> 00:25:40,146
Speaker 4: he was a sixth man.

541
00:25:40,426 --> 00:25:42,586
Speaker 1: Wasn't if I recall he averaged like less than ten

542
00:25:42,626 --> 00:25:44,266
Speaker 1: points a game, if I'm not mistake, and he was

543
00:25:44,346 --> 00:25:46,506
Speaker 1: not more than a double zero, if I'm not mistaken,

544
00:25:46,546 --> 00:25:48,706
Speaker 1: and he was not twenty and ten.

545
00:25:49,386 --> 00:25:51,306
Speaker 4: No, he was the scrappy guy, dude, he was. He

546
00:25:51,346 --> 00:25:53,586
Speaker 4: was the blue collar guy. I think he finished at

547
00:25:53,586 --> 00:25:55,226
Speaker 4: the time off the top night. He was like top

548
00:25:55,266 --> 00:25:58,266
Speaker 4: ten in blocks in career history. That he was a rebounder,

549
00:25:58,266 --> 00:26:00,426
Speaker 4: and he's a defensive player. But he was like a

550
00:26:00,466 --> 00:26:04,026
Speaker 4: scrappy dude in the ACC, like not even touching. He

551
00:26:04,066 --> 00:26:07,106
Speaker 4: had no chance to play in the nest in the NBA. Yeah,

552
00:26:07,186 --> 00:26:10,386
Speaker 4: what would Lebron have like in his career ends up

553
00:26:10,386 --> 00:26:12,906
Speaker 4: being borderline Hall of Fame? Yeah, as a guy that

554
00:26:13,066 --> 00:26:15,986
Speaker 4: was like a sixth man in the ACC. What would

555
00:26:16,066 --> 00:26:19,906
Speaker 4: Lebron seriously like? He's he or Michael Jordan whatever that

556
00:26:19,946 --> 00:26:21,906
Speaker 4: debate is best best basketball player ever?

557
00:26:22,186 --> 00:26:25,026
Speaker 3: He played? He played football in high school and was

558
00:26:25,106 --> 00:26:27,066
Speaker 3: at a high high school high level.

559
00:26:27,306 --> 00:26:30,106
Speaker 4: He was probably a legit six seven, six eight, probably

560
00:26:30,106 --> 00:26:32,466
Speaker 4: two hundred and sixty to seventy pounds. He could have

561
00:26:32,506 --> 00:26:34,426
Speaker 4: been the best football player they ever lived.

562
00:26:35,066 --> 00:26:36,146
Speaker 1: I don't get it right.

563
00:26:36,666 --> 00:26:38,546
Speaker 3: How can you how can your brain not go there.

564
00:26:38,546 --> 00:26:40,386
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're just if you're just using Jimmy

565
00:26:40,426 --> 00:26:42,986
Speaker 4: Graham as is the benchmark and what his career in

566
00:26:43,026 --> 00:26:45,266
Speaker 4: the NFL, and it would be in what could Lebron

567
00:26:45,306 --> 00:26:45,546
Speaker 4: have been?

568
00:26:45,666 --> 00:26:46,786
Speaker 3: So yeah, back to it.

569
00:26:46,946 --> 00:26:49,426
Speaker 4: NFL people shouldn't be they, I mean, come on you

570
00:26:50,226 --> 00:26:51,426
Speaker 4: those games are fun to play.

571
00:26:51,626 --> 00:26:54,746
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if DJ Burtns loves football. I

572
00:26:54,746 --> 00:26:57,306
Speaker 1: don't know if he's ever had a chance to. I

573
00:26:57,306 --> 00:27:01,946
Speaker 1: don't even know. You know, we don't know Lebron loves football.

574
00:27:02,186 --> 00:27:05,786
Speaker 1: Lebron I know just through Bath Carter and those guys

575
00:27:05,866 --> 00:27:09,066
Speaker 1: like they football is almost you know, basketball is the

576
00:27:09,146 --> 00:27:11,466
Speaker 1: job and the path. Like those guys on Sundays, that

577
00:27:11,626 --> 00:27:13,866
Speaker 1: is what they do. They watch football. So you combine that,

578
00:27:14,786 --> 00:27:17,906
Speaker 1: does a like did George Fan love football or was

579
00:27:17,906 --> 00:27:19,706
Speaker 1: it like this is a job when you interviewed him

580
00:27:19,706 --> 00:27:21,746
Speaker 1: and you guys brought him in, you.

581
00:27:21,666 --> 00:27:23,626
Speaker 3: Know, I didn't sue it George then, But but for

582
00:27:23,746 --> 00:27:24,066
Speaker 3: him to.

583
00:27:23,986 --> 00:27:27,626
Speaker 4: Have the careers had I would assume he he either loved.

584
00:27:27,466 --> 00:27:28,346
Speaker 3: It or really liked it.

585
00:27:28,466 --> 00:27:30,346
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess my question is like if your DJ

586
00:27:30,426 --> 00:27:32,786
Speaker 1: Burns and your whole life has been basketball, basketball, basketball,

587
00:27:32,826 --> 00:27:34,906
Speaker 1: and it's like yeah, but there's a meal ticket potentially

588
00:27:35,106 --> 00:27:38,666
Speaker 1: for football. Do you need to have like a dying

589
00:27:38,746 --> 00:27:41,186
Speaker 1: an undying love for the sport to like pursue it

590
00:27:41,346 --> 00:27:42,826
Speaker 1: or is it just, hey, this is this is the

591
00:27:42,906 --> 00:27:45,106
Speaker 1: right decision financially. I guess that's a decision he's got

592
00:27:45,106 --> 00:27:45,866
Speaker 1: to make, right.

593
00:27:46,066 --> 00:27:47,066
Speaker 3: Peter, Peter, you know this.

594
00:27:47,106 --> 00:27:51,626
Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of guys that play in against.

595
00:27:51,146 --> 00:27:53,866
Speaker 1: We doubtless guys on Good Morning Football who like I

596
00:27:53,946 --> 00:27:55,866
Speaker 1: try to talk about the league with like a commercial breaking,

597
00:27:55,986 --> 00:27:57,906
Speaker 1: like they don't even follow the NFL, Like they don't

598
00:27:57,946 --> 00:27:59,746
Speaker 1: even know who the good teams are. They don't even

599
00:28:00,186 --> 00:28:03,066
Speaker 1: And I'm almost humbled by that. I'm like, that's how

600
00:28:03,146 --> 00:28:05,026
Speaker 1: what an amazing athlete you are that you can just

601
00:28:05,066 --> 00:28:06,706
Speaker 1: do what you do as a job and then turn

602
00:28:06,746 --> 00:28:07,946
Speaker 1: it off. That's incredible, you know.

603
00:28:08,186 --> 00:28:09,306
Speaker 3: Yeah, like with those.

604
00:28:09,146 --> 00:28:11,106
Speaker 4: Guys, And that's always the first question with guys that

605
00:28:11,186 --> 00:28:14,106
Speaker 4: played both sports, right, and you hear about it, like

606
00:28:14,146 --> 00:28:15,866
Speaker 4: you go into the school as a scout in the fall,

607
00:28:15,906 --> 00:28:17,906
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you, like this kid was more of

608
00:28:17,906 --> 00:28:19,546
Speaker 4: a hooper in high school, Like we don't know how

609
00:28:19,626 --> 00:28:20,026
Speaker 4: much he.

610
00:28:19,986 --> 00:28:21,786
Speaker 3: Goes football, but you know he's really good at it.

611
00:28:21,826 --> 00:28:22,506
Speaker 3: So he does it.

612
00:28:22,946 --> 00:28:25,026
Speaker 4: But what it does, it probably prevents you from hitting

613
00:28:25,066 --> 00:28:27,626
Speaker 4: your ceiling as a player, right, Like if you really

614
00:28:27,666 --> 00:28:30,626
Speaker 4: loved it, then like you would be better. But just

615
00:28:30,666 --> 00:28:32,546
Speaker 4: on your natural gifts a loan, you can play it,

616
00:28:32,626 --> 00:28:34,266
Speaker 4: and you can a lot of these guys play.

617
00:28:34,106 --> 00:28:34,546
Speaker 3: A long time.

618
00:28:34,666 --> 00:28:36,906
Speaker 4: But that's kind of I don't think fans realize how

619
00:28:37,186 --> 00:28:38,746
Speaker 4: guys just don't love it.

620
00:28:39,146 --> 00:28:43,386
Speaker 1: Yeah, my last question on this multi sport thing, I'll

621
00:28:43,426 --> 00:28:46,466
Speaker 1: never forget. I want to say it was Tristan Worths

622
00:28:46,506 --> 00:28:48,106
Speaker 1: and there's a long line of them, and I know

623
00:28:48,146 --> 00:28:50,266
Speaker 1: aj Epineza was one of them. And of course in

624
00:28:50,346 --> 00:28:57,026
Speaker 1: recent here Linderbaum like wrestling. Football guys love wrestlers. They

625
00:28:57,026 --> 00:28:59,586
Speaker 1: don't love basketball guys, but they love wrestlers. Am I wrong?

626
00:29:00,426 --> 00:29:04,146
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right? No, especially you know, on the on

627
00:29:04,186 --> 00:29:06,786
Speaker 4: the offensive defensive line. So for this year, Zach Frasier

628
00:29:06,866 --> 00:29:08,826
Speaker 4: is a center at West Virginia. I think he was

629
00:29:08,866 --> 00:29:11,146
Speaker 4: a four time state champion in the state of West Virginia,

630
00:29:11,186 --> 00:29:14,906
Speaker 4: maybe lost one time as a freshman. Ridiculous record. So

631
00:29:14,986 --> 00:29:17,506
Speaker 4: this is this is another a cool carryover. Now you're

632
00:29:17,506 --> 00:29:20,626
Speaker 4: catching me off guard a little bit during my time

633
00:29:20,666 --> 00:29:22,986
Speaker 4: with the Patriots, and I'm gonna be blanking on this

634
00:29:23,066 --> 00:29:26,626
Speaker 4: dude's name. He was a He was an All American

635
00:29:26,666 --> 00:29:32,506
Speaker 4: wrestler at cal State Bakersfield. Our college director, Larry Cook

636
00:29:32,826 --> 00:29:36,226
Speaker 4: from the New England Patriots, went up and went to

637
00:29:36,266 --> 00:29:38,946
Speaker 4: the workout, went to the pro day, worked him out,

638
00:29:39,186 --> 00:29:41,306
Speaker 4: We signed him as a free agent, and we drafted

639
00:29:41,386 --> 00:29:41,706
Speaker 4: him late.

640
00:29:41,826 --> 00:29:42,586
Speaker 3: I can't remember.

641
00:29:42,746 --> 00:29:46,186
Speaker 1: I'll tell you his name right now, and he's Stephen Neil.

642
00:29:46,226 --> 00:29:48,386
Speaker 1: He was a great Patriots Stephen Neil.

643
00:29:48,706 --> 00:29:51,946
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Stephen, I'm having like an old guy moment

644
00:29:52,026 --> 00:29:52,346
Speaker 4: right now.

645
00:29:53,506 --> 00:29:56,546
Speaker 1: He is CSO Bakersfield's most decorated wrestler, and he now

646
00:29:56,666 --> 00:30:01,426
Speaker 1: serves as the alumni relations coordinator for csub's wrestling program.

647
00:30:01,466 --> 00:30:04,186
Speaker 1: A once in a lifetime story of wrestler who did

648
00:30:04,226 --> 00:30:07,266
Speaker 1: not play college football and went into the NFL and

649
00:30:07,306 --> 00:30:08,466
Speaker 1: had a storied NFL career.

650
00:30:08,866 --> 00:30:11,266
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't have they don't have football Cast State Bakersfield,

651
00:30:11,266 --> 00:30:12,386
Speaker 4: they don't play football there.

652
00:30:12,586 --> 00:30:13,586
Speaker 3: So again, he came in.

653
00:30:13,666 --> 00:30:15,746
Speaker 1: How do you find that? So how'd they find him?

654
00:30:16,946 --> 00:30:18,746
Speaker 4: Some agent probably just put it out that they were

655
00:30:18,746 --> 00:30:20,986
Speaker 4: gonna have a pro dat. I don't know, I don't

656
00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:23,026
Speaker 4: know how, but but I'm sure a lot of teams came.

657
00:30:23,186 --> 00:30:26,746
Speaker 4: Thank god, Larry you know, developed a relationship and signed him.

658
00:30:26,866 --> 00:30:28,866
Speaker 4: But I remember the biggest thing for Steven was it

659
00:30:29,226 --> 00:30:32,786
Speaker 4: wasn't strength, it wasn't toughness. Obviously, his was just that

660
00:30:32,866 --> 00:30:35,746
Speaker 4: aggressive nature, right because you're used to that is such

661
00:30:35,786 --> 00:30:37,986
Speaker 4: an aggressive sport. He had to rain himself in a

662
00:30:38,026 --> 00:30:41,226
Speaker 4: little bit, like, yeah, tone it down a little bit.

663
00:30:41,306 --> 00:30:43,466
Speaker 4: On the football field, he would be sober aggressive. He

664
00:30:43,506 --> 00:30:46,426
Speaker 4: almost he almost had questioned the athlete a little bit

665
00:30:46,426 --> 00:30:48,946
Speaker 4: because he was always out over his skis and he's

666
00:30:48,986 --> 00:30:51,226
Speaker 4: you know, on the ground and then you know. But

667
00:30:51,226 --> 00:30:54,226
Speaker 4: but our offensive line coach, Dante Scarnekia was a Jim.

668
00:30:54,266 --> 00:30:56,666
Speaker 4: That's not athleticism. I just we just got to rain

669
00:30:56,746 --> 00:30:58,986
Speaker 4: this guy in. And then, like you said, he came

670
00:30:58,986 --> 00:31:00,666
Speaker 4: in he was an all time Patriot. I mean, this

671
00:31:00,786 --> 00:31:03,906
Speaker 4: dude started so many games in a row. And again,

672
00:31:03,946 --> 00:31:06,066
Speaker 4: it's nice when you have a Dante's scarneki one of

673
00:31:06,066 --> 00:31:09,386
Speaker 4: the greatest coaches ever to help develop you. But I mean,

674
00:31:09,466 --> 00:31:12,546
Speaker 4: obviously different sport. But there's another there's another instance where

675
00:31:12,546 --> 00:31:15,386
Speaker 4: the guy didn't play college football and becoming a very

676
00:31:15,386 --> 00:31:16,306
Speaker 4: good NFL player.

677
00:31:16,466 --> 00:31:18,386
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember I used to do games with Matt Millan.

678
00:31:18,466 --> 00:31:23,986
Speaker 1: I was his sideline interporter, and Matt loved, loved college

679
00:31:23,986 --> 00:31:27,946
Speaker 1: and high school Pennsylvania, penn State wrestling, and he would

680
00:31:27,946 --> 00:31:30,106
Speaker 1: tell he would always give me a wrestler, like, give

681
00:31:30,146 --> 00:31:31,906
Speaker 1: me a wrestler, get me someone who's gonna get dirty.

682
00:31:31,906 --> 00:31:34,746
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's so interesting because those two sports,

683
00:31:34,866 --> 00:31:36,906
Speaker 1: like when you get those big boys, like a lot

684
00:31:36,906 --> 00:31:39,906
Speaker 1: of those skills do translate. Uh, you mentioned the Patriots.

685
00:31:39,906 --> 00:31:41,626
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you off script a little bit here.

686
00:31:41,866 --> 00:31:43,746
Speaker 1: You worked there for many years. Did you get a

687
00:31:43,826 --> 00:31:45,866
Speaker 1: chance to watch the documentary The Dynasty?

688
00:31:47,186 --> 00:31:49,106
Speaker 4: I did, I did, I saw. I think I've seen

689
00:31:49,146 --> 00:31:51,306
Speaker 4: the first four episodes so far, which was.

690
00:31:51,266 --> 00:31:53,226
Speaker 1: Your era, right, that's when you were with them through

691
00:31:53,226 --> 00:31:53,586
Speaker 1: that as farst.

692
00:31:53,666 --> 00:31:56,066
Speaker 3: Yeah, those first four episodes was about the time I

693
00:31:56,106 --> 00:31:56,346
Speaker 3: was there.

694
00:31:56,346 --> 00:31:58,906
Speaker 4: I actually caught myself in the in the background of

695
00:31:58,906 --> 00:32:01,346
Speaker 4: a couple of practice shots, and I felt really old.

696
00:32:01,266 --> 00:32:03,586
Speaker 3: Because I looked a lot younger back then, but look good.

697
00:32:04,786 --> 00:32:05,506
Speaker 3: It was really cool.

698
00:32:05,826 --> 00:32:08,906
Speaker 1: Okay, cool because obviously you've seen a lot of the

699
00:32:09,546 --> 00:32:13,506
Speaker 1: I would say almost it's interesting the Patriots Dynasty, I

700
00:32:13,586 --> 00:32:16,146
Speaker 1: almost break up into different chapters, almost four chapters of

701
00:32:16,266 --> 00:32:19,426
Speaker 1: like you know, the early first four Super Bowls that

702
00:32:19,426 --> 00:32:22,346
Speaker 1: they went to, you know, including the Giants one, and

703
00:32:22,386 --> 00:32:25,426
Speaker 1: then this, you know, changing guard a little bit, and

704
00:32:25,466 --> 00:32:27,186
Speaker 1: then you've got these last ten years. You can split

705
00:32:27,226 --> 00:32:29,506
Speaker 1: in half of you know, the Brady, you know, final

706
00:32:29,626 --> 00:32:34,026
Speaker 1: couple super Bowls and then post Brady. A lot of

707
00:32:34,146 --> 00:32:36,266
Speaker 1: a lot of controversy around it, and even Robert Kraft

708
00:32:36,306 --> 00:32:37,986
Speaker 1: at the league meetings had to like speak up on it,

709
00:32:37,986 --> 00:32:40,386
Speaker 1: and it was like, well, I'm not necessarily the rill,

710
00:32:40,426 --> 00:32:42,826
Speaker 1: which I I'm not going to knock Robert Kraft from

711
00:32:42,826 --> 00:32:44,866
Speaker 1: what he thought of it, but I believe he had production,

712
00:32:45,386 --> 00:32:47,426
Speaker 1: you know, saying some of this stuff, and you know,

713
00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:50,346
Speaker 1: he was kind of being critical of it. Have you

714
00:32:50,466 --> 00:32:52,146
Speaker 1: talked to us like is this a is there a

715
00:32:52,186 --> 00:32:54,106
Speaker 1: text stain of all the old Patriots staffers or like

716
00:32:54,146 --> 00:32:57,066
Speaker 1: you and Nick Cassario and Eric Mangini and whoever else,

717
00:32:57,106 --> 00:32:59,786
Speaker 1: like texting about how the thing was portrayed? Yeah, a

718
00:32:59,826 --> 00:33:00,186
Speaker 1: little bit.

719
00:33:00,266 --> 00:33:04,706
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had I've had those texts with some guys. Again,

720
00:33:04,746 --> 00:33:05,586
Speaker 3: I wasn't in it.

721
00:33:05,626 --> 00:33:07,346
Speaker 4: I'm sure the guys have in or a little more

722
00:33:07,466 --> 00:33:09,586
Speaker 4: hyper sensitive to it. And you know what I do

723
00:33:09,666 --> 00:33:12,986
Speaker 4: with the Patriots dynasty, there Peter, I break it down to.

724
00:33:12,906 --> 00:33:13,906
Speaker 3: The slot receivers.

725
00:33:14,146 --> 00:33:16,506
Speaker 4: To me, it was the Troy Brown era, and then

726
00:33:16,546 --> 00:33:18,386
Speaker 4: it was the Wes Welker era, and then it was

727
00:33:18,386 --> 00:33:19,466
Speaker 4: the Julian Element era.

728
00:33:19,546 --> 00:33:21,626
Speaker 3: To me, those are those three guys kind of span

729
00:33:21,746 --> 00:33:23,906
Speaker 3: the lifetime. But I don't know. For me, it was

730
00:33:23,946 --> 00:33:24,986
Speaker 3: like a look back. You know.

731
00:33:25,066 --> 00:33:26,906
Speaker 4: I saw Damien Wood he put something out there on

732
00:33:26,946 --> 00:33:29,026
Speaker 4: social media that he was watching you with his kids.

733
00:33:29,386 --> 00:33:31,786
Speaker 4: You know, they obviously weren't around when Damien was a player,

734
00:33:32,066 --> 00:33:33,906
Speaker 4: sort of like see footage of him, were running out

735
00:33:33,906 --> 00:33:37,226
Speaker 4: the tunnel at Gillette and all those things. Like for me,

736
00:33:37,266 --> 00:33:39,466
Speaker 4: it was like a retrospective. Man, I was in like

737
00:33:39,466 --> 00:33:41,746
Speaker 4: my mid twenties back then. I'm almost fifty now, so.

738
00:33:41,786 --> 00:33:42,226
Speaker 1: Think about it.

739
00:33:42,466 --> 00:33:44,986
Speaker 4: I watched the show through through that lens, and it

740
00:33:45,146 --> 00:33:48,106
Speaker 4: just brought back a lot of great memories and I

741
00:33:48,106 --> 00:33:49,906
Speaker 4: thought they did a great job at Shoot, man, I'm

742
00:33:49,946 --> 00:33:52,786
Speaker 4: not I was no part of that content, so I shoot,

743
00:33:52,786 --> 00:33:53,226
Speaker 4: there's a lot.

744
00:33:53,346 --> 00:33:55,226
Speaker 3: I know, there's a lot of people that I issued.

745
00:33:54,946 --> 00:33:56,986
Speaker 1: With it though, So like the chief concerns are that,

746
00:33:57,106 --> 00:33:59,986
Speaker 1: like you know, Cory Dillon comes about as a you know,

747
00:34:00,186 --> 00:34:02,266
Speaker 1: not a troubled player. But I got that just hadn't

748
00:34:02,306 --> 00:34:04,146
Speaker 1: been able to win, and it was on the field,

749
00:34:04,146 --> 00:34:06,026
Speaker 1: off field, whatever for his Bengals. Like that was a

750
00:34:06,026 --> 00:34:08,986
Speaker 1: big Bill Belichick to bring in Corey Dillan, like Garrett Blunt,

751
00:34:09,066 --> 00:34:13,026
Speaker 1: was a lot of the stories of guys that Belichick

752
00:34:13,186 --> 00:34:16,026
Speaker 1: took a gamble on, and Randy moss Is obviously was

753
00:34:16,146 --> 00:34:18,146
Speaker 1: less of a gamble given the player that he was.

754
00:34:18,666 --> 00:34:21,946
Speaker 1: That stuff was lost and some of Belichick's gumption to say,

755
00:34:21,986 --> 00:34:25,426
Speaker 1: you know, let's throw convention to the win and let's

756
00:34:25,466 --> 00:34:28,626
Speaker 1: let's try to win football. There's the feeling that Belichick

757
00:34:28,706 --> 00:34:31,386
Speaker 1: wasn't portrayed as well as he should have been as

758
00:34:31,386 --> 00:34:33,426
Speaker 1: being one of the greatest coaches of all time, if

759
00:34:33,426 --> 00:34:34,106
Speaker 1: not the greatest.

760
00:34:34,546 --> 00:34:37,426
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the greatest. I could see that.

761
00:34:37,586 --> 00:34:39,626
Speaker 4: I mean, there's so there's so many great things that

762
00:34:39,626 --> 00:34:42,626
Speaker 4: that vill and Scott did putting those teams together, kind

763
00:34:42,626 --> 00:34:44,746
Speaker 4: of going out of limb. I mean, even like Rodney Harrison.

764
00:34:44,826 --> 00:34:47,426
Speaker 4: I remember when when they when they brought in Rodney Harrison.

765
00:34:48,506 --> 00:34:50,866
Speaker 4: You know, I think Marty Schottenhammer was on record saying

766
00:34:50,906 --> 00:34:52,866
Speaker 4: and that or maybe told Rodney this, and it got

767
00:34:52,866 --> 00:34:54,706
Speaker 4: back to me through through someone in the front office.

768
00:34:54,706 --> 00:34:57,266
Speaker 4: That like they told Rodney, MANU you lost a staff,

769
00:34:57,426 --> 00:34:59,106
Speaker 4: like we can't, we don't. We don't think you got

770
00:34:59,106 --> 00:35:01,106
Speaker 4: it anymore. So then you bring in a dude with

771
00:35:01,146 --> 00:35:03,386
Speaker 4: a chip on his shoulder and you all Rodney did.

772
00:35:03,386 --> 00:35:03,786
Speaker 3: I remember?

773
00:35:03,866 --> 00:35:07,626
Speaker 4: I remember this vividly. In six in a six playoff

774
00:35:07,666 --> 00:35:10,826
Speaker 4: game run, he forced seven turnovers. He created whether like

775
00:35:10,866 --> 00:35:13,226
Speaker 4: force fumbles, interceptions, fullmer recovers. He was a part of

776
00:35:13,266 --> 00:35:15,826
Speaker 4: seven turnovers and six playoff games, which to me is

777
00:35:15,866 --> 00:35:18,466
Speaker 4: like the coolest ever. You know, you're bringing guys that

778
00:35:18,506 --> 00:35:21,626
Speaker 4: play big and big games. But yeah, I mean, I shoot,

779
00:35:22,146 --> 00:35:23,946
Speaker 4: and I haven't finished it, and I look forward to

780
00:35:23,986 --> 00:35:24,866
Speaker 4: finishing yet I.

781
00:35:24,826 --> 00:35:27,146
Speaker 1: Have any there. I've gotten six episodes in. I just

782
00:35:27,186 --> 00:35:29,586
Speaker 1: finished the Aaron Hernandez episode, and I think that's what

783
00:35:29,666 --> 00:35:31,266
Speaker 1: a lot of the Patriots are, Like, yeah, that was

784
00:35:31,266 --> 00:35:35,186
Speaker 1: a story in CNN, and it was a bigger story

785
00:35:35,466 --> 00:35:38,426
Speaker 1: in our building. But like, if you're gonna encapsulate ten

786
00:35:38,506 --> 00:35:42,706
Speaker 1: years of the Patriots, is twenty years of the Patriots

787
00:35:42,706 --> 00:35:44,826
Speaker 1: in ten episodes, Like I don't know, and a lot

788
00:35:44,826 --> 00:35:47,266
Speaker 1: of them I know that. Like Rodney was upset because

789
00:35:47,466 --> 00:35:50,146
Speaker 1: he did five hours of interviews and they got one

790
00:35:50,186 --> 00:35:53,026
Speaker 1: clip in with him. I know Devin mccordy through Jason

791
00:35:53,066 --> 00:35:55,546
Speaker 1: wasn't thrilled. They spent all day with him, multiple days,

792
00:35:55,586 --> 00:35:59,266
Speaker 1: and you know that's that's really behind the scenes stuff,

793
00:35:59,386 --> 00:36:01,746
Speaker 1: like for us the viewers, like it's candy to just

794
00:36:01,786 --> 00:36:07,186
Speaker 1: watch old football in the greatness of the Patriots, be honest, yeah, yeah, yeah.

795
00:36:07,506 --> 00:36:13,706
Speaker 1: All right, before we wrap, we're now April second, where

796
00:36:14,266 --> 00:36:20,866
Speaker 1: our teams with their draft boards, like has Washington likely decided, Okay,

797
00:36:20,906 --> 00:36:23,666
Speaker 1: here's how we rank our quarterbacks or is that thing

798
00:36:23,786 --> 00:36:25,946
Speaker 1: still fluid as they gather information.

799
00:36:26,866 --> 00:36:28,026
Speaker 3: I think it's still fluid.

800
00:36:28,666 --> 00:36:32,426
Speaker 4: I was in Baton Rouge last week, and uh, it was.

801
00:36:32,466 --> 00:36:32,706
Speaker 3: It was.

802
00:36:32,746 --> 00:36:34,986
Speaker 4: It was pretty cool because at the hotel we stayed

803
00:36:34,986 --> 00:36:38,466
Speaker 4: at in Baton Rouge, Dan Quinn and Adam Peters were there,

804
00:36:38,866 --> 00:36:40,706
Speaker 4: and then Girod Mayo and Elliott Wolf were there and

805
00:36:40,706 --> 00:36:43,266
Speaker 4: we're all done in the lobby getting ready to go

806
00:36:43,306 --> 00:36:45,346
Speaker 4: to JAYD and Daniels prote the next day. You know,

807
00:36:45,346 --> 00:36:48,586
Speaker 4: we're having having drinks down there and he's gonna be

808
00:36:48,626 --> 00:36:51,826
Speaker 4: on one of their two football teams probably when we

809
00:36:51,826 --> 00:36:54,266
Speaker 4: get to the fall, So you know they're just coming

810
00:36:54,306 --> 00:36:56,426
Speaker 4: off that right they most most of the teams let

811
00:36:56,466 --> 00:36:58,746
Speaker 4: their their families go home and have Easter with with

812
00:36:58,826 --> 00:37:00,466
Speaker 4: the family, and now they're bringing them all back in.

813
00:37:00,946 --> 00:37:01,786
Speaker 3: So now what you're doing.

814
00:37:02,026 --> 00:37:05,266
Speaker 4: They most of these teams haven't met since post Senior

815
00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:08,786
Speaker 4: Bowl and they have not met since the combine because

816
00:37:08,786 --> 00:37:11,346
Speaker 4: you hit the ground running from the combine to pro dase, right, Ye,

817
00:37:11,506 --> 00:37:14,626
Speaker 4: So like their last their last meeting was Okay, let's

818
00:37:14,946 --> 00:37:17,586
Speaker 4: let's debrief after Senior Bowl. How did all these guys look.

819
00:37:17,946 --> 00:37:19,786
Speaker 4: Now let's go to the combine. Now they got to

820
00:37:19,826 --> 00:37:21,986
Speaker 4: get back together. Okay, what did combine look like? What

821
00:37:22,026 --> 00:37:23,906
Speaker 4: did pro das look like? What's the new information?

822
00:37:24,506 --> 00:37:24,706
Speaker 3: You know?

823
00:37:25,346 --> 00:37:27,586
Speaker 4: Again, I think the lost part of Pro Day season

824
00:37:27,666 --> 00:37:29,226
Speaker 4: is yeah, you're you're there to get the numbers and

825
00:37:29,266 --> 00:37:31,986
Speaker 4: see how the guys work out. But it's another opportunity

826
00:37:31,986 --> 00:37:34,586
Speaker 4: for these scouts to go back into the buildings and

827
00:37:34,826 --> 00:37:36,626
Speaker 4: not just meet with the player, but meet you know,

828
00:37:37,066 --> 00:37:39,906
Speaker 4: resource the building. Like we've now we've met with the guy,

829
00:37:39,906 --> 00:37:41,706
Speaker 4: we met with him at Mobile, we met with him

830
00:37:41,746 --> 00:37:44,026
Speaker 4: at the at the Pro Day. Here's the questions we

831
00:37:44,106 --> 00:37:46,906
Speaker 4: have left. Now you go back to the offensive coordinator

832
00:37:47,106 --> 00:37:50,826
Speaker 4: or you know, the custodians or whatever, you know, the

833
00:37:50,866 --> 00:37:53,066
Speaker 4: equipment guy, whatever questions you have left, you can work.

834
00:37:53,266 --> 00:37:55,346
Speaker 4: You can work the building again. So now they're all

835
00:37:55,386 --> 00:37:57,466
Speaker 4: getting back in the building. Now you're talking through all

836
00:37:57,506 --> 00:37:59,866
Speaker 4: that stuff. Over probably the next two weeks and then

837
00:37:59,866 --> 00:38:02,466
Speaker 4: those finals two weeks it's just phone calls, you know,

838
00:38:02,666 --> 00:38:06,786
Speaker 4: working strategy, working trades and trying to really get the

839
00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:08,386
Speaker 4: strategy part of the draft down is.

840
00:38:08,386 --> 00:38:10,346
Speaker 3: Probably those final two weeks, but right.

841
00:38:10,226 --> 00:38:13,386
Speaker 4: Now they are they're just debriefing after you know, combining

842
00:38:13,426 --> 00:38:13,946
Speaker 4: pro days.

843
00:38:14,426 --> 00:38:16,786
Speaker 3: Okay, so long, long windedly answer you, Peter.

844
00:38:16,866 --> 00:38:18,546
Speaker 4: I think I think I don't think the Commanders and

845
00:38:18,586 --> 00:38:21,026
Speaker 4: the Patriots or or any of those teams really know

846
00:38:21,186 --> 00:38:22,546
Speaker 4: you know, who their guys yet.

847
00:38:22,666 --> 00:38:25,866
Speaker 1: Okay, here's an exercise we're gonna do because I think, honestly,

848
00:38:26,386 --> 00:38:28,586
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah I think is the best on TV. I

849
00:38:28,586 --> 00:38:30,666
Speaker 1: think if we threw you on there, you'd be right

850
00:38:30,706 --> 00:38:32,746
Speaker 1: up there with Daniel. And I think you've got as

851
00:38:32,786 --> 00:38:35,626
Speaker 1: great an insight as anyone having been you know, the

852
00:38:35,626 --> 00:38:37,626
Speaker 1: executive director of the Senior Bowl for all these years.

853
00:38:37,626 --> 00:38:40,466
Speaker 1: But also you're just great in talking about these players

854
00:38:40,506 --> 00:38:43,346
Speaker 1: in terms we can understand. I'm gonna do a little

855
00:38:43,346 --> 00:38:45,266
Speaker 1: get in with you and you can play along or

856
00:38:45,306 --> 00:38:47,826
Speaker 1: just say, Peter, I don't want to do this. I'm

857
00:38:47,826 --> 00:38:51,026
Speaker 1: gonna name the quarterback and I'm gonna say my concern

858
00:38:51,226 --> 00:38:53,226
Speaker 1: with them, and then you're gonna tell me whether it's

859
00:38:53,226 --> 00:38:56,666
Speaker 1: a valid concern, or say what you've heard about these

860
00:38:56,666 --> 00:38:58,106
Speaker 1: guys with that concern. We good?

861
00:38:58,666 --> 00:38:59,426
Speaker 3: Yeah, great.

862
00:38:59,946 --> 00:39:04,946
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, his size and his build is too big

863
00:39:04,986 --> 00:39:08,106
Speaker 1: of a concern to take at number two in the draft.

864
00:39:08,226 --> 00:39:12,186
Speaker 1: In that if Bryce Young showed us anything, and I

865
00:39:12,226 --> 00:39:15,266
Speaker 1: know Bryce on it shorter, but build wise, Daniels might

866
00:39:15,306 --> 00:39:18,866
Speaker 1: not be bigger than two hundred pounds. That build is

867
00:39:18,906 --> 00:39:21,346
Speaker 1: not one that will last in the NFL. Your thoughts

868
00:39:21,346 --> 00:39:22,226
Speaker 1: on that comment.

869
00:39:22,506 --> 00:39:26,346
Speaker 4: Okay, I think if this is this is whole poking season, right,

870
00:39:26,506 --> 00:39:29,866
Speaker 4: Yes it is. So if that's the hole, it's a

871
00:39:29,906 --> 00:39:33,386
Speaker 4: really small hole to poke. You know, Jayden, I think

872
00:39:33,426 --> 00:39:35,626
Speaker 4: a lot was made of what he was at Arizona State.

873
00:39:35,706 --> 00:39:38,626
Speaker 4: He's this slight build guy. He's gotten bigger and bigger.

874
00:39:38,386 --> 00:39:39,546
Speaker 1: I think. Okay, I love that.

875
00:39:40,026 --> 00:39:43,186
Speaker 4: At Baton Rouge last week, I'm sitting in the auditorium

876
00:39:43,186 --> 00:39:46,066
Speaker 4: in the team room when Brian Kelly addressed all the

877
00:39:46,386 --> 00:39:49,266
Speaker 4: NFL guys, and I'm sitting next to the LSU strength

878
00:39:49,306 --> 00:39:51,826
Speaker 4: coach and they weigh all the players in front of

879
00:39:51,866 --> 00:39:55,346
Speaker 4: the assembly, and Jayden was too ten okay. And I

880
00:39:55,386 --> 00:39:57,306
Speaker 4: looked over at the strength coach. I'm like, is that

881
00:39:57,346 --> 00:39:58,866
Speaker 4: what he played out in the ball? Is that the

882
00:39:58,906 --> 00:40:01,826
Speaker 4: heaviest he's been. He's like, no, he was too twelve

883
00:40:01,866 --> 00:40:02,546
Speaker 4: two thirteen.

884
00:40:02,666 --> 00:40:02,946
Speaker 1: Okay.

885
00:40:03,466 --> 00:40:06,186
Speaker 3: Tom Brady ended his career when he was when he's

886
00:40:06,226 --> 00:40:09,546
Speaker 3: going throw the TV twelve stuff. I read places where

887
00:40:09,586 --> 00:40:11,666
Speaker 3: he was like two hundred and fifteen pounds, okay, you know,

888
00:40:11,906 --> 00:40:12,906
Speaker 3: and nobody questioned that.

889
00:40:13,026 --> 00:40:15,746
Speaker 4: So if Jayde's in that two ten to two fifteen,

890
00:40:16,106 --> 00:40:17,586
Speaker 4: he didn't get hurt in the SEC.

891
00:40:17,626 --> 00:40:20,306
Speaker 3: He took a lot of big shots. It is two.

892
00:40:20,386 --> 00:40:21,866
Speaker 4: And if you look at us, you look at the

893
00:40:21,906 --> 00:40:24,866
Speaker 4: games played and games missed, students did miss a lot

894
00:40:24,866 --> 00:40:26,866
Speaker 4: of time in the most fiscal league in college football.

895
00:40:27,266 --> 00:40:29,306
Speaker 4: So I think that's a small hole to pope.

896
00:40:29,746 --> 00:40:31,746
Speaker 1: Interesting, he didn't measure at the combine to you, is

897
00:40:31,746 --> 00:40:32,546
Speaker 1: that a red flag?

898
00:40:33,386 --> 00:40:35,706
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I don't. I don't know what.

899
00:40:35,826 --> 00:40:37,226
Speaker 4: I don't know what these guys are doing now and

900
00:40:37,226 --> 00:40:39,026
Speaker 4: what the agents are telling her. You like, why not

901
00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:43,186
Speaker 4: remeasure or why not? It's just again, it's probably stupid.

902
00:40:43,186 --> 00:40:45,346
Speaker 4: It's probably dumb. I get where the agents and the

903
00:40:45,386 --> 00:40:47,826
Speaker 4: players are, Like, listen, I measured at the Senior Bowl.

904
00:40:47,826 --> 00:40:49,386
Speaker 4: I measured at the combine, Like, why do I have

905
00:40:49,426 --> 00:40:52,586
Speaker 4: to do it again? But I mean, that's not going

906
00:40:52,666 --> 00:40:54,746
Speaker 4: to get him drafted or undrafted or I don't think

907
00:40:54,746 --> 00:40:56,466
Speaker 4: you said it's not going to move the needle with teams.

908
00:40:56,826 --> 00:41:03,506
Speaker 1: Okay, Drake May inaccurate for the first year. What are

909
00:41:03,506 --> 00:41:04,986
Speaker 1: your talk what are your takes on that.

910
00:41:06,146 --> 00:41:09,186
Speaker 3: The the inaccuracy part. Okay.

911
00:41:09,346 --> 00:41:13,306
Speaker 4: I would say a lot of times accuracy stems from

912
00:41:13,386 --> 00:41:13,866
Speaker 4: your feet.

913
00:41:14,426 --> 00:41:14,706
Speaker 1: Okay.

914
00:41:15,346 --> 00:41:17,546
Speaker 4: And Drake was working out down here in Mobile in

915
00:41:17,586 --> 00:41:20,066
Speaker 4: the pre draft process with a guy by the name

916
00:41:20,066 --> 00:41:23,586
Speaker 4: of David Morris. It was bon Nicks and Drake May

917
00:41:23,626 --> 00:41:25,946
Speaker 4: and Carter Bradley, who has a chance of getting drafted

918
00:41:25,946 --> 00:41:26,546
Speaker 4: like Dus Bratt.

919
00:41:26,626 --> 00:41:31,746
Speaker 3: So yeah, so watching them work out, we go back in.

920
00:41:31,826 --> 00:41:34,346
Speaker 4: I watched field workout, we go back in, we watch video,

921
00:41:34,786 --> 00:41:37,026
Speaker 4: and they took a video so it's kind of close

922
00:41:37,146 --> 00:41:39,986
Speaker 4: up and I'm watching Drake throw and I'm like a

923
00:41:40,146 --> 00:41:42,626
Speaker 4: total idiot. I don't even think about the May family

924
00:41:42,666 --> 00:41:44,786
Speaker 4: and what they are. I look at Drake, I'm like

925
00:41:44,906 --> 00:41:47,546
Speaker 4: did you play hoops grown up? And he was like, yeah,

926
00:41:47,546 --> 00:41:49,186
Speaker 4: I did. And I'm like, well, did you play through

927
00:41:49,226 --> 00:41:50,746
Speaker 4: high school or did you stop in middle school? I

928
00:41:50,786 --> 00:41:52,466
Speaker 4: was like no, I played all the way through. And

929
00:41:52,466 --> 00:41:54,586
Speaker 4: then someone was like, well, Jim, like this whole family

930
00:41:54,626 --> 00:41:55,786
Speaker 4: played hoops in North Carolina.

931
00:41:55,786 --> 00:41:57,106
Speaker 3: I'm like, I totally forgot got it.

932
00:41:57,186 --> 00:41:59,546
Speaker 1: Yeah the winning shot that time?

933
00:41:59,666 --> 00:42:02,346
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this dude, This dude for a guy his size,

934
00:42:02,386 --> 00:42:04,066
Speaker 4: he has incredible feet.

935
00:42:04,906 --> 00:42:06,106
Speaker 3: So is there things he can do?

936
00:42:06,186 --> 00:42:08,786
Speaker 4: Mcaly, you know, in terms of like shortening the release

937
00:42:08,866 --> 00:42:09,586
Speaker 4: to tighten that up.

938
00:42:09,946 --> 00:42:10,586
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

939
00:42:10,786 --> 00:42:13,866
Speaker 4: And again obviously everyone points to Josh Allen is a

940
00:42:13,906 --> 00:42:16,986
Speaker 4: guy that you can correct some inaccuracy stuff with. I

941
00:42:17,026 --> 00:42:19,906
Speaker 4: just think when they're athletic enough, like Josh Allen, we

942
00:42:19,946 --> 00:42:21,186
Speaker 4: all know what kind of athlete he is.

943
00:42:21,626 --> 00:42:24,786
Speaker 3: Drake May is a similar type athlete. I mean his

944
00:42:24,826 --> 00:42:26,786
Speaker 3: feet are really bouncy for a big guy, so it

945
00:42:26,786 --> 00:42:28,106
Speaker 3: would not be a concern of mine.

946
00:42:28,466 --> 00:42:34,266
Speaker 1: All right. Last one, JJ McCarthy eighteen teammates at the

947
00:42:34,306 --> 00:42:39,666
Speaker 1: Combine and Sharon Moore called thirty two straight run plays

948
00:42:39,666 --> 00:42:41,506
Speaker 1: in a game and he didn't throw the ball once.

949
00:42:42,306 --> 00:42:44,666
Speaker 1: Is that a red flag to you?

950
00:42:44,706 --> 00:42:48,426
Speaker 4: No, that's that's Sharon Moore in a really hostile visiting

951
00:42:48,586 --> 00:42:51,706
Speaker 4: environment at Penn State, want to just assert his will.

952
00:42:51,546 --> 00:42:52,666
Speaker 3: On the other team.

953
00:42:52,866 --> 00:42:54,746
Speaker 4: So that's what I would say, you know, and yeah,

954
00:42:54,866 --> 00:42:56,946
Speaker 4: did JJ have a lot of great players around him?

955
00:42:57,106 --> 00:42:59,666
Speaker 3: He certainly did, But he didn't have I mean, look

956
00:42:59,666 --> 00:43:00,626
Speaker 3: at look at who.

957
00:43:02,186 --> 00:43:06,346
Speaker 1: Neighbors and Thomas right, no question.

958
00:43:06,506 --> 00:43:08,026
Speaker 3: I mean you just go back over some of these

959
00:43:08,106 --> 00:43:09,386
Speaker 3: quarterbacks to who they're thrown to.

960
00:43:09,906 --> 00:43:11,906
Speaker 1: Brow had Chas and Jefferson right.

961
00:43:12,306 --> 00:43:15,506
Speaker 4: Right, and Mac Jones had, you know, Devonte Smith and

962
00:43:15,666 --> 00:43:17,346
Speaker 4: Waddle and all those guys.

963
00:43:17,426 --> 00:43:20,906
Speaker 3: JUDI house guys, so and JJ didn't have that j J.

964
00:43:21,186 --> 00:43:23,506
Speaker 4: JJ didn't have like Roman Wilson's a really good player,

965
00:43:23,506 --> 00:43:25,546
Speaker 4: and they've got some they got some young guys, but

966
00:43:25,626 --> 00:43:27,146
Speaker 4: he didn't have that outside.

967
00:43:27,506 --> 00:43:30,226
Speaker 3: So again that's the easy knock.

968
00:43:30,266 --> 00:43:33,066
Speaker 4: All I know is that JJ has only lost three

969
00:43:33,106 --> 00:43:36,946
Speaker 4: football games in his life. That includes high school, high

970
00:43:36,946 --> 00:43:39,226
Speaker 4: school and college. The kid has lost three games as

971
00:43:39,226 --> 00:43:42,066
Speaker 4: a starter. It's a big enough sample size. He's been

972
00:43:42,106 --> 00:43:44,986
Speaker 4: a two year starter. He's got crazy tools. So I'll

973
00:43:45,026 --> 00:43:47,786
Speaker 4: share one quick story from all right. I'm at baton

974
00:43:47,866 --> 00:43:50,906
Speaker 4: Rouge last week. I'm standing next to a GM. I

975
00:43:50,986 --> 00:43:54,266
Speaker 4: wasn't at Caleb Williams prode I wasn't at JJ McCarthy's prodee,

976
00:43:54,306 --> 00:43:56,066
Speaker 4: but this GM was right.

977
00:43:56,146 --> 00:43:56,786
Speaker 1: So j J.

978
00:43:57,626 --> 00:44:00,506
Speaker 4: Jayden finishes up his workout. I thought it was impressive.

979
00:44:01,306 --> 00:44:03,706
Speaker 4: The dude can freaking fire it off his hand him.

980
00:44:03,706 --> 00:44:06,106
Speaker 4: It's it's really impressive. I'm like, well, where is this

981
00:44:06,146 --> 00:44:08,986
Speaker 4: stack up in the three you've seen? And his rank

982
00:44:09,186 --> 00:44:12,786
Speaker 4: was JJ McCarthy, then Jayden Daniels, then Cale Williams just

983
00:44:12,866 --> 00:44:15,546
Speaker 4: off the pro Day Okay, okay, what what do pro

984
00:44:15,666 --> 00:44:16,106
Speaker 4: day show?

985
00:44:16,186 --> 00:44:17,906
Speaker 3: Pro dace show physical tools?

986
00:44:18,186 --> 00:44:20,386
Speaker 4: They show they show the physical potential of a guy

987
00:44:20,386 --> 00:44:23,226
Speaker 4: and what he can do, you know, mobility, arm, strength,

988
00:44:23,266 --> 00:44:23,866
Speaker 4: all those things.

989
00:44:23,906 --> 00:44:27,026
Speaker 3: Right, that's what PRODA is about. Physically, what is this

990
00:44:27,066 --> 00:44:28,026
Speaker 3: guy tools?

991
00:44:28,466 --> 00:44:31,426
Speaker 4: JJ obviously has them if a GM is seeing those

992
00:44:31,466 --> 00:44:33,946
Speaker 4: three workouts and he puts them up there as the

993
00:44:33,946 --> 00:44:37,866
Speaker 4: top guy. So I mean, that's why everyone's asked me

994
00:44:37,946 --> 00:44:39,626
Speaker 4: in some of the podcasts like is this j J

995
00:44:39,786 --> 00:44:40,666
Speaker 4: McCarthy stuff real?

996
00:44:40,746 --> 00:44:41,386
Speaker 3: I think it is.

997
00:44:41,786 --> 00:44:43,506
Speaker 4: You know, I think that I think that the media

998
00:44:43,546 --> 00:44:45,586
Speaker 4: is playing catch up a little bit, and I think

999
00:44:45,626 --> 00:44:48,426
Speaker 4: the league's playing I think the league's diving more into JJ.

1000
00:44:48,546 --> 00:44:49,786
Speaker 4: They didn't know if it was going to come out

1001
00:44:49,866 --> 00:44:54,746
Speaker 4: or not. So yeah, it's it's uh so, I don't know.

1002
00:44:54,786 --> 00:44:55,106
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1003
00:44:55,106 --> 00:44:58,706
Speaker 4: I don't know if I dispelled her because you're arrest But.

1004
00:44:59,106 --> 00:45:01,346
Speaker 1: What do you what do you make of Hardball rally

1005
00:45:01,346 --> 00:45:03,546
Speaker 1: in the flag around him so much? You're a Michigan man,

1006
00:45:03,586 --> 00:45:06,146
Speaker 1: Like what is that when he comes out and is

1007
00:45:06,146 --> 00:45:07,986
Speaker 1: like he's the number one quarterback in this draft and

1008
00:45:07,986 --> 00:45:10,026
Speaker 1: says all these things like does that to me? It's

1009
00:45:10,106 --> 00:45:11,986
Speaker 1: like I roll my eyes a little bit. Of course

1010
00:45:11,986 --> 00:45:14,786
Speaker 1: you're his college coach, But what do you make of

1011
00:45:14,826 --> 00:45:17,186
Speaker 1: that Harball putting his name on it like this is

1012
00:45:17,186 --> 00:45:17,586
Speaker 1: the guy?

1013
00:45:18,586 --> 00:45:21,466
Speaker 4: Well, I'll say this, and so much respect for for

1014
00:45:21,586 --> 00:45:24,426
Speaker 4: Jim Harbon what he's done this whole career. And he

1015
00:45:24,506 --> 00:45:26,866
Speaker 4: brought a you know, brought a national championship to my

1016
00:45:27,066 --> 00:45:28,426
Speaker 4: alma mater, which was awesome.

1017
00:45:29,386 --> 00:45:31,386
Speaker 3: But he's in a great situation right now. He's got

1018
00:45:31,426 --> 00:45:32,106
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert and.

1019
00:45:32,146 --> 00:45:34,466
Speaker 1: No one, no one's wondering if he's drafted him at five.

1020
00:45:34,626 --> 00:45:36,506
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he doesn't have to put his money where

1021
00:45:36,506 --> 00:45:38,186
Speaker 4: his mouth is right like he can say and I'm

1022
00:45:38,226 --> 00:45:40,226
Speaker 4: sure Jim believes all this stuff. In me, shoot, you

1023
00:45:40,266 --> 00:45:42,946
Speaker 4: win a national championship with people you talk to players

1024
00:45:42,946 --> 00:45:45,226
Speaker 4: and coaches. You would you win a national championship or

1025
00:45:45,226 --> 00:45:47,546
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl with a group of men like that's

1026
00:45:47,586 --> 00:45:50,466
Speaker 4: pretty special and you're gonna a special feelings about those guys.

1027
00:45:50,506 --> 00:45:54,026
Speaker 4: So I'm sure Jim believes every word he's saying. But again,

1028
00:45:54,066 --> 00:45:56,346
Speaker 4: he doesn't have to draft him up because he's got Justine.

1029
00:45:56,746 --> 00:45:59,306
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to talk about the Masters with you

1030
00:45:59,386 --> 00:46:02,346
Speaker 1: because you're a golf guy and you might be attending.

1031
00:46:02,426 --> 00:46:04,706
Speaker 1: But maybe we'll do that next week or a week

1032
00:46:04,746 --> 00:46:06,826
Speaker 1: after that and we'll get the full rate cap in

1033
00:46:06,866 --> 00:46:10,986
Speaker 1: the In the meantime, keep on doing what you're doing

1034
00:46:11,106 --> 00:46:13,466
Speaker 1: and I'll be following you on Twitter or x but

1035
00:46:13,546 --> 00:46:16,226
Speaker 1: also i'll be talking with you. Thank you so much

1036
00:46:16,266 --> 00:46:19,586
Speaker 1: for joining. This is really illuminating stuff, especially on DJ Burns.

1037
00:46:19,586 --> 00:46:21,866
Speaker 1: And we're less than a month away, dude, And then

1038
00:46:21,866 --> 00:46:24,426
Speaker 1: I know you're already into Senior Bowl twenty twenty five.

1039
00:46:24,546 --> 00:46:24,946
Speaker 1: I know it.

1040
00:46:25,666 --> 00:46:27,866
Speaker 3: We are, Yeah, we started that. But yeah, this was awesome, Peter,

1041
00:46:27,906 --> 00:46:28,786
Speaker 3: thanks for having me back home.

1042
00:46:29,026 --> 00:46:32,666
Speaker 1: You're the man. Jim Naggy, executive director of Reese's Senior Bowl,

1043
00:46:32,786 --> 00:46:37,466
Speaker 1: and I saw it firsthand. The unofficial mayor of Mobile, Alabama.

1044
00:46:37,506 --> 00:46:37,866
Speaker 1: Thank you did.

1045
00:46:38,106 --> 00:46:38,546
Speaker 3: Thanks man.

1046
00:46:46,466 --> 00:46:49,946
Speaker 1: All Right, so I'm validated DJ Burns could get an

1047
00:46:50,026 --> 00:46:53,226
Speaker 1: NFL shot here, Aaron, based on what Jim's saying.

1048
00:46:53,666 --> 00:46:58,186
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so I had seen your tweet. I

1049
00:46:58,226 --> 00:47:01,466
Speaker 2: then saw your tweet hosted multiple times, like in the

1050
00:47:01,586 --> 00:47:05,426
Speaker 2: NFL subreddit, in the Bills subreddit, like Bill's fans were like,

1051
00:47:05,506 --> 00:47:07,546
Speaker 2: I wonder if this guy I could work, you know,

1052
00:47:07,626 --> 00:47:10,426
Speaker 2: for us, So not only I think was there a

1053
00:47:10,466 --> 00:47:13,986
Speaker 2: lot of external validation, then having Jim come in here

1054
00:47:14,026 --> 00:47:16,946
Speaker 2: and talk about it and talk about his buddy who

1055
00:47:17,106 --> 00:47:19,626
Speaker 2: also had been keeping an eye on him. Yeah, that's

1056
00:47:19,666 --> 00:47:20,626
Speaker 2: that's pretty exciting.

1057
00:47:21,066 --> 00:47:24,266
Speaker 1: Yeah, his work is amazing. It is. And like the

1058
00:47:24,306 --> 00:47:26,906
Speaker 1: sophistication of these NFL front offices, we go big on

1059
00:47:26,906 --> 00:47:29,426
Speaker 1: how they use analytics and all this stuff, but there

1060
00:47:29,466 --> 00:47:32,266
Speaker 1: are holes. And Jim says it like they're not watching

1061
00:47:32,346 --> 00:47:35,226
Speaker 1: college hoops. So yes, it's possible. This guy played in

1062
00:47:35,226 --> 00:47:37,546
Speaker 1: the ACC and played at Winthrop and was the Big

1063
00:47:37,626 --> 00:47:40,026
Speaker 1: South Conference Player of the Year last year two years

1064
00:47:40,066 --> 00:47:43,426
Speaker 1: ago and still was not discovered by an NFL scout.

1065
00:47:43,466 --> 00:47:46,186
Speaker 1: And Jim has a friend who's in the research triangle

1066
00:47:46,186 --> 00:47:47,866
Speaker 1: who says, yes, I've been keeping an eye on him,

1067
00:47:47,906 --> 00:47:51,266
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, like the tournament run. I remember George Mason,

1068
00:47:51,306 --> 00:47:53,146
Speaker 1: I remember Jihan Lewis. It was a big man who

1069
00:47:53,906 --> 00:47:56,266
Speaker 1: had some you know, a great couple of games. They

1070
00:47:56,306 --> 00:47:58,626
Speaker 1: beat Yukon and Rudy Gay and there was two thousand

1071
00:47:58,626 --> 00:48:00,386
Speaker 1: and six and George Mason makes us run and he

1072
00:48:00,386 --> 00:48:01,626
Speaker 1: was their big man, and he got a try out

1073
00:48:01,666 --> 00:48:03,306
Speaker 1: with the Giants. I think he even signed a deal

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Speaker 1: with the Giants. And he had no football history as

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Speaker 1: a football player in college. So I think it's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I also thought the reaction was fascinating, which I kind

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Speaker 1: of hit on with Jim there, Like people were really

1078
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Speaker 1: triggered by it, and a lot of people thought it

1079
00:48:17,426 --> 00:48:18,946
Speaker 1: was an April Fools joke. I don't get that. Why

1080
00:48:18,986 --> 00:48:20,786
Speaker 1: would that be an April Fools joke. The guy is

1081
00:48:20,826 --> 00:48:23,666
Speaker 1: six foot seven and three hundred pounds, Like that's a

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00:48:23,706 --> 00:48:24,746
Speaker 1: football player's body.

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Speaker 2: I think you kind of can't post anything on April first,

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00:48:30,266 --> 00:48:33,186
Speaker 2: Like if you say anything, people are gonna think maybe

1085
00:48:33,226 --> 00:48:38,306
Speaker 2: it's fake totally, but yeah, you know it is, like

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00:48:38,466 --> 00:48:40,506
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, it's always a news story if some

1087
00:48:40,666 --> 00:48:44,786
Speaker 2: team is like we're signing a former rugby player, because

1088
00:48:44,906 --> 00:48:47,986
Speaker 2: he's never played American football, but we think he's got

1089
00:48:48,026 --> 00:48:49,866
Speaker 2: the athletic ability to do this, and it's a big

1090
00:48:49,906 --> 00:48:52,426
Speaker 2: news story when it doesn't necessarily need to be. And

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Speaker 2: this is just like in the lead up to the draft,

1092
00:48:55,146 --> 00:48:58,946
Speaker 2: where we've spent so much time arguing about Marvin Harrison

1093
00:48:59,026 --> 00:49:01,226
Speaker 2: or Eleak Neighbors, and all of a sudden, here's this

1094
00:49:01,266 --> 00:49:03,826
Speaker 2: guy coming out of nowhere who plays basketball, and it's like, wait,

1095
00:49:03,866 --> 00:49:06,266
Speaker 2: you're screwing up what I had in my head of

1096
00:49:06,306 --> 00:49:09,786
Speaker 2: like who are the important potential offensive linemen in this draft?

1097
00:49:09,826 --> 00:49:12,026
Speaker 2: And now there's this new guy. So I can see

1098
00:49:12,066 --> 00:49:16,946
Speaker 2: how people could find a way to be upset about

1099
00:49:16,986 --> 00:49:18,626
Speaker 2: something that's not worth being upset about.

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Speaker 1: Got it?

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00:49:19,706 --> 00:49:19,826
Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: In closing, I think I'm gonna go see Tim Robinson

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00:49:24,146 --> 00:49:26,026
Speaker 1: tonight at Deacon Theater. Are you a fan?

1104
00:49:27,866 --> 00:49:30,746
Speaker 2: Yeah? I didn't even know he was doing a thing.

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00:49:31,306 --> 00:49:34,746
Speaker 1: The biggest show. He can have no idea what it entails.

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00:49:35,666 --> 00:49:35,786
Speaker 4: Uh.

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00:49:36,746 --> 00:49:38,346
Speaker 1: I was asked if I wanted to go, and I

1108
00:49:38,346 --> 00:49:40,306
Speaker 1: think I want to go. It's pouring rain, but I

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Speaker 1: will have a full recap on our next podcast. As

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Speaker 1: Aaron is now looking through a stack of T shirts

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00:49:46,426 --> 00:49:50,146
Speaker 1: and it appears. He probably has a Tim Robinson T

1112
00:49:50,226 --> 00:49:52,746
Speaker 1: shirt and it is Yep, there we go. There it is,

1113
00:49:52,866 --> 00:49:55,866
Speaker 1: there it is. It's a it's a reference to the netflixtion.

1114
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Speaker 1: There we go. I love it. I'll give you a

1115
00:49:59,106 --> 00:50:03,066
Speaker 1: full recap over text on it. Aaron wall Kaufman chasing English,

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Speaker 1: the iHeart Team. Let's get these social media clips out,

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Speaker 1: let's go all, let's make news. Let's continue on with

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Speaker 1: the Season with Peter Schreger. So I appreciate you guys,

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Speaker 1: everyone listening. Hope you enjoyed. The Season with Peter Schrager

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Speaker 1: is a production of the NFL and partnership with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.