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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 2: of you hanging out with us. A lot of you

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Speaker 2: coming out of Thanksgiving holiday. Maybe there were conversations that

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Speaker 2: you had with people who hated President Trump. Maybe you've

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Speaker 2: had had them in the past over the last decade.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you have friends and family that you have lost

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Speaker 2: potentially because they have become so deranged when it comes

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Speaker 2: to President Trump and the way that they see him.

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Speaker 2: I read in the Wall Street Journal a great write

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Speaker 2: up on Trump derangement syndrome from our current guest Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Albert as almost its own psychiatric psychological diagnosis, and we said, okay,

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Speaker 2: we got to get this guy on and he is

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Speaker 2: now with us. This is Jonathan Albert. I loved your piece.

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Speaker 2: For people who have not read it. You're a psychotherapist

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Speaker 2: Therapy Nation about all the different aspects of therapy going on.

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Speaker 2: But when you see people who, it appears, frankly do

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Speaker 2: have Trump derangement syndrome, is that a real thing? Kind

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Speaker 2: of take people through the argument that you made in

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal editorial.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and play great to be here. It's not a

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Speaker 3: real thing. However, it probably should be a real thing.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think we'll ever see it in the DSM,

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Speaker 3: which is sort of the bible of psychiatric disorders in

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Speaker 3: my profession. But what I have seen is quite troubling

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Speaker 3: with seeing families split up, with seeing people obsessed with Trump.

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Speaker 3: They're hyper fixated on Trump, and frankly is ruining their

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Speaker 3: mental health. And I would go so far as to

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Speaker 3: that's folks or revolves around Trump. And I don't care

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Speaker 3: if it's Trump or Biden or Harris or anyone. If

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Speaker 3: you're that hyper fixated on a figure, you need to

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Speaker 4: Now Jonathan appreciates you being with us. It's buck the

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Speaker 4: what would be the the things to look for where

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Speaker 4: someone I mean, you said things like hyper fixated. You know,

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Speaker 4: being a very perhaps over zealous belief or very over

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Speaker 4: it actually is clinical because what I see myself as

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Speaker 4: a non medical, non psychoanalyst is a lot of people

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Speaker 4: who have a bizarre, irrational and really delusional fear themselves personally.

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Speaker 4: Like I know people who lose truly loosely night. I mean,

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Speaker 4: how different is that from somebody who's a you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Buckett's it's not too different if you're at

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Speaker 3: the point where you are losing sleep over our president,

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Speaker 3: or if you, like some of my patients can't enjoy

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Speaker 3: You've got issues. And similar to other mental health issues

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Speaker 3: So I've heard all sorts of outrageous statements like that,

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Speaker 2: You handle people in your friend or family circle that

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Speaker 2: I mean, because I think that is probably something that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and witness people who were celebrating the horrific murder

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Speaker 3: And what's happened is people have demonized figures, whether it's

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Speaker 3: But when you have a family member that's speaking like that,

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not healthy for them to be consumed

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm wondering also where the mental health profession is

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Speaker 4: Is that really the reason why there is more of

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Speaker 3: Let me put it this way. Since my Wall Street

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Speaker 3: I've received too many to count hate emails from my

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Speaker 3: absolutely unhinged, vile emails from licensed mental health professionals. So

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Speaker 3: that tells you what you need to know about my profession,

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Speaker 3: and you're right, it's dominated by liberals. But that said,

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Speaker 3: I also received very supportive emails from colleagues, so I

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Speaker 3: think there are probably some closeted conservative therapists out there.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, we have people who I think

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Speaker 3: I'm absolutely crazy because I'm identifying a trend that a

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Jonathan Albert. I'm curious one of the

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Speaker 2: So we've had a decade of Trump derangement syndrome. Do

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Speaker 2: What will these people when Trump exits the stage, as

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Speaker 3: Well, it'd be shocked if that suddenly improved on Trump

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Speaker 3: So I do think these people need something to hate,

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Speaker 2: It is interesting because I we appreciate your time. I

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Speaker 2: was watching a video somebody put together a compilation buck,

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Speaker 2: these people like losing their minds to protest in favor

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Speaker 3: think these causes, whether it's Occupy Wall Street or Israel,

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Speaker 3: who I was. Much like the emails that I'm getting

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine sending a stranger that I may see

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Speaker 3: But that might be the difference between someone with a

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Speaker 4: How do we get more right wing mental health professionals?

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Speaker 3: You know? I wish I knew. I'm part of a

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Speaker 3: the woke, and that's infiltrated our profession. My forthcoming book,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. Take care.

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Speaker 2: Play Travis with the Clay and Buck Show, wishing you

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Speaker 4: Buck Sexton. Here, the entire Clan Buck Show wish you

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Speaker 4: Clay, there are some unhappy people when it comes to

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Speaker 4: We got gg Let's go Gigi first, Tampa Toad, he

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Speaker 3: It's real simple. There's a lot of great music in

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Speaker 5: Mister sext and the traveling for the week's over with.

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Speaker 4: This I thought was really interesting. I think we mentioned

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Speaker 4: The book is Manufacturing Delusion. It comes out officially February

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Speaker 4: real phenomenon on the left. There's no equivalent on the right.

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Speaker 4: Think about that climate extinction anxiety. There are people who

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Speaker 4: won't have children now because of what the left has

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Speaker 4: done to them. There are people who think that there

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Speaker 4: is a genocide, and that is the term they use

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Speaker 4: against trans people, because we don't think that a two

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Speaker 4: hundred pound bearded man should be having a bench press

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Speaker 4: contest with girls. Think about the beliefs, and then, of

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Speaker 4: course I get into some of this with COVID, the

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Speaker 4: madness of the fauciism. That was all part of the playbook.

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Speaker 4: It was all meant to condition by the way condition reflex,

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Speaker 4: the actual Pavlovian, the actual Pavlovian you know, term and

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Speaker 4: history conditional reflex. In fact, it was in the original Russian.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, you will learn a lot in this book.

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Speaker 4: I did a ton of research in this book. It

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Speaker 4: is called Manufacturing Delusion. It is available for pre sale now,

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Speaker 4: and I would ask you to please get a copy

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Speaker 4: now so that we don't run out when everyone's trying

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Speaker 4: to get it the week that it's released, which I

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Speaker 4: know is in February, but just do it now while

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Speaker 4: you're thinking about it. I'll be talking about it more

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Speaker 4: on the show. But this stuff really matters. I think

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Speaker 4: that manufactured delusion, I think that manufactured mass hysteria is

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Speaker 4: the single greatest threat to humanity globally and the single

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Speaker 4: biggest threat to the American Republic right now. We're not

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Speaker 4: going to starve to death. We can handle all the

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Speaker 4: you know, we can handle whatever pandemics. We just went

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Speaker 4: through one. We all know what the reality was of that.

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Speaker 4: We can handle everything else. The world is not going

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Speaker 4: to melt. But we can't handle insanity. Mass insanity that

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Speaker 4: sees is that seizes control of the apparatus, that forces

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Speaker 4: you to lie, that forces you to live by lies

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Speaker 4: that can destroy us entirely. And you'll notice the notice

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Speaker 4: we're living in it. The reality of anti Trumpism, day

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Speaker 4: in and day out, is rooted in is of absurdity, lies,

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Speaker 4: a constant Russia collusion hoax, the preposterous prosecutions, the lies

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Speaker 4: that he's you know, that he has something to hide

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Speaker 4: with Epstein, all of this stuff. To a lot of us,

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Speaker 4: it's just annoying because you you choose to listen to

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Speaker 4: this show, you choose to stay firmly rooted in reality.

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Speaker 4: But how many people that you know who voted for

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris in this last election? How many leftists for

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Speaker 4: those of you, especially who live in big blue states,

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Speaker 4: how many leftists do you come across who believe the

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Speaker 4: most absurd and insane things because they've been told to

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Speaker 4: and become irrational, become in raye, almost like they've been

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Speaker 4: brought into a cult, because that's actually what has happened.

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Speaker 4: And I get into some of those processes too. The

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Speaker 4: whole point is to override that connection to reality that

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Speaker 4: the listener, that the subject, the target has, because then

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Speaker 4: you can rewrite the underlying programming. Then you can This

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Speaker 4: is China, this is mause revolution. Break people down, break

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Speaker 4: them down with fear, break them down with isolation, a

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Speaker 4: constant assault on their senses of lies, and then you

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Speaker 4: try to rewrite what's there. Then you try to build

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Speaker 4: them into the new Soviet man, which was the whole

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Speaker 4: project of the Soviet Union. This has all been done before,

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Speaker 4: and you need to know how it was done then

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Speaker 4: and how it is being done now. And that is

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Speaker 4: manufacturing delusion. That is my book and I want you

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Speaker 4: to please It's up at clan Buck but you can

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Speaker 4: get on Amazon clanbuck dot but you can get on

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Speaker 4: an Amazon, get it anywhere. Please get the pre sales.

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Speaker 4: It took me two years to write this. Two years

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Speaker 4: to write this book and get it cleared by the CIA,

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Speaker 4: and you know, do everything. So this was not a

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Speaker 4: slap dash. It's very important to me that this message

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Speaker 4: get out there, and I know you'll spread the word

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Speaker 4: and I appreciate you letting me talk to you about it.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 4: I went for a rare dip in the Atlantic Ocean

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Speaker 4: technically Biscayne Bay over the weekend, and right around the

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Speaker 4: same time, there was, in fact a shark attack.

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Speaker 2: Play Yes, forty six year old guy got attacked. You

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Speaker 2: sent me the link and I was looking at it,

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Speaker 2: and uh, I mean, can you imagine if you had

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Speaker 2: gotten attacked by a shark after all our shot? This

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Speaker 2: is why.

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Speaker 4: Discussion I'm just saying, this is this is I'm starting

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Speaker 4: to worry about your Alcatraz swim a little bit here, buddy,

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Speaker 4: which we've already committed to, and I'm going to be

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Speaker 4: in that launch boat cheering you on, nice and warm

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Speaker 4: with my Crockett hot cocoa, where we're going to start

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Speaker 4: making by then. But this guy, I believe was snorkeling

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Speaker 4: and it looked like he tried to touch the shark,

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Speaker 4: which is a bad idea. Well, that's very, very different.

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Speaker 4: It was not a predatory attack. It was ay, leave

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Speaker 4: me alone, bite on the hand, and he had to

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Speaker 4: go to the hospital, but technically a shark attack not

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Speaker 4: far from where I was swimming.

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Speaker 2: On Sunday, I was walking into church. This is hundred

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Speaker 2: percent true. Guy I had not met before comes up

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Speaker 2: and he says that he is part of a long

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Speaker 2: distance swimming team and they have been hearing us talk about.

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Speaker 2: He had swam Catalina, he had swam from Alcatraz, and

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Speaker 2: they do regular long training sessions and he was offering

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Speaker 2: his skill set and his team to me as a

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Speaker 2: training companion. This is I mean, legitimately, as I am

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Speaker 2: walking into church on Sunday, this gentleman I had never

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Speaker 2: met before came up and he wanted me to know

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Speaker 2: that he had my back on the swims and that

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Speaker 2: he and the team were ready to assist as necessary.

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Speaker 2: And I told him, I said, well, I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: getting a little bit terrified, not of the swim, but

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Speaker 2: that I'm tempting fate and I'm going to be eaten

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Speaker 2: by a shark. And he told me that I would

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Speaker 2: be fine, So I hope he's right, but yeah, you would.

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Speaker 2: You narrowly avoided attack on a on a swim in

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Speaker 2: Biscayne Bay,