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Speaker 3: Run right at them, so more the same run run

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Speaker 3: run yeah, yeah, right at them. Don't try to run

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Speaker 2: Favored by six, so really it's three and a half.

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Speaker 4: INDI by one.

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Speaker 5: Oh tough one? Ah, what's that? What's that?

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Speaker 2: Really? No, Fred, Well they're minus two, then plus two.

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Speaker 5: Well there you go.

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Speaker 2: No, INDI's plus one. They get three, so they're minus two.

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Speaker 4: They're at home, so they get three, right, right, So

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Speaker 4: it's really like they're plus two.

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Speaker 2: They should be four.

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Speaker 4: So if you're getting three, that means they're favored by one.

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Speaker 2: They're not getting it.

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Speaker 4: They are getting they're giving points. They're favored by one.

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Speaker 2: Didn't get the three.

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Speaker 4: If you could have follow the nonsensical three points for

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Speaker 4: the hotel, what would the spread be if it was neutral?

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Gillette Stadium, and we're talking about the Patriots. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what that was on Thursday night. I have

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Speaker 2: kind of an analogy to make about that I'll talk

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Speaker 2: about later. But we'll talk about that game Thursday night,

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Speaker 2: what the Patriots need to do to regroup from that,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about the NFL because we had a

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Speaker 2: so we can talk about the state of the league.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what if, like the rest of you,

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Speaker 2: this year. I don't know what. I can't put my finger.

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Speaker 4: On it right fading for a national columnist to come

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Speaker 4: out with a big expos major injuries on the rise,

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Speaker 4: which happens now, it's not injuries are not injuries.

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Speaker 2: It's not the fact that defenses seem to have a

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Speaker 2: little bit of an advantage right now, unless unless it's

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Speaker 2: Monday night and it's the Bills, are you know, the

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Speaker 2: this year. And I haven't yet put my finger on it.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably able to do that in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 5: Do you think, just like outside of Kansas City and Buffalo.

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Speaker 5: Undefeated, and because those pieces feel the same to me,

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Speaker 2: Even kids of the city is a little weird this year.

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Speaker 5: There's a little weird though lately. Like I mean, they're

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Speaker 5: always good, but they do it kind of different ways.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I get what you're saying. It's just there's

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Speaker 5: in the picks, perhaps again this week, Paul, I don't

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Speaker 4: I have talied you.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to bring that away another time.

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Speaker 4: I was not going to give you the results. I'm

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Speaker 4: just going to tell you it was another terrible week,

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Speaker 4: yes for all of us.

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Speaker 3: Some people would call it parody. I would call it

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Speaker 2: Well, why do you say stinking?

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Speaker 3: I just think the league offensively is not in a

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Speaker 2: What what if you could say defensively it's getting better?

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Speaker 3: Because I think it's mistakes like quarterbacks throwing bad interceptions

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Speaker 2: Don't think defenses have anything to do with that.

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Speaker 5: I mean that maybe that could be anything with practice

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Speaker 3: That's where I'm coming from. That's saying all I'm coming

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Speaker 2: But you know, the practice schedules for the off season

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Speaker 5: But it's been three weeks too. I feel like it's

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Speaker 4: Well, definitely, the records like those are to me, they're

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati's offense was dynamite last night. Now, all of a

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Speaker 4: Bryce Young. You know, let's face it, he struggled badly,

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Speaker 2: Because I know a lot of people wanted to equate

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Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't hear that. I heard everybody saying when

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I heard that. You know, I heard a

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Speaker 2: And you know Dalton is good enough.

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Speaker 2: Well no, but it's what they're saying is, see, Carolina

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Speaker 4: Quarterback they are. I mean, some of us saw that

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think you know, no need to talk about

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Speaker 2: You got it, you got it right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And just to be fair, it had nothing

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Speaker 2: Sure, all right, so we have to do it. I

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Speaker 3: Maybe they get some health and they get some pieces back. Well,

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't make a difference. That has all to

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Speaker 4: He could be.

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Speaker 3: But I look at at Cliff Kingsbury in the offense

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Speaker 3: you know what also is bad? Running a seventh step

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Speaker 2: Again, seventh step drop is okay as long as when

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Speaker 2: What did you think about after the game? Van Pelt saying,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they we played the clip at the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's on the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: So at what point are we, you know, gonna I

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Speaker 2: So going back to the quarterback. Yeah, I didn't hear this,

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Speaker 3: to do all these things. Well, neither is this guy.

436
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 3: Like they're rolling the safety down and he's sending a

437
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 3: blitz off the left hand side, he snaps the ball

438
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 3: in anyways and it's blown up in two seconds.

439
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but and you might be right, he may not

440
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 2: know what he's doing. Either, but people who are looking

441
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 2: for the reason to get Drake may in there. That's

442
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 2: not it. I mean, you know, if they're both not

443
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,239
Speaker 2: being able to do it, then you might as well keep.

444
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 4: But I would just say, like, yeah, I think that

445
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 4: Cincinnati and Seattle combined for the fewest amount of blitzes

446
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 4: against one team. You know, like the Patriots have been britzed,

447
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 4: blitzed very infrequently in the first two weeks, and then

448
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 4: that kind of changed from a team that hasn't blitzed

449
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 4: a ton. So I sometimes I think the other team

450
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 4: is just overlooking.

451
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 2: What that blitz that is that percentage of dropbacks or

452
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: just total blitz It's because they passed more in this game,

453
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: so there's more opportunity to blitz.

454
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 4: Game.

455
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 2: In the Jets game, they threw the ball more negligible.

456
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 4: They didn't have the ball.

457
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: The first two drives. I think they they threw it

458
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 2: like were out of five out of six plays.

459
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, but it was only it.

460
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: Was I'm just saying, like, is the number of times

461
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Speaker 2: blitz is a percentage of dropbacks or just total number

462
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: of blitzes.

463
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Speaker 4: I think it's both.

464
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Speaker 3: Percentage of dropbacks. Is the stat that I saw.

465
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's it's a little of both. But

466
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 4: I don't think they threw the ball in incredible amount

467
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 4: of times in this game until Like I mean, especially

468
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 4: with Jacoby present, I'm eliminating the last drive when you

469
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 4: know that that was different the last the Drake May drive.

470
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 4: But during the game, I don't think that they didn't

471
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: have the ball, They didn't possess the ball enough to

472
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 4: run any plays.

473
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just what I keep coming back to with

474
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 3: it is style of play. And I know that we

475
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 3: all want them to run the ball and not be

476
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 3: their identity because it worked in the first couple of

477
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: weeks of the season. But I just have a really

478
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 3: tough time imagining that they are going to be able

479
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: to block this type of offense where a lot of

480
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: their plays where they're trying to push the ball down

481
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: the field are He's longer developing play action, bootleg actions,

482
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: you know, things like that. Whereas that I think is

483
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 3: fair when you get into the game with a quarterback

484
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: like Drake May. As much as we want to throw

485
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 3: away the drive at the end of the game because

486
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: it was garbage time, let's also look at how they

487
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: played with him in the preseason too. When he played

488
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 3: a little bit and they're in the gun, they're spread,

489
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: the ball's coming out faster. You know, he's an athlete

490
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,239
Speaker 3: back there, so he can run around when he needs to.

491
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: And to me, that type of offense for the personnel

492
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 3: that they have, is going to be a lot more

493
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: successful than them trying to to play action pass from

494
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: under center. WHI Jakobey were said.

495
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 4: Is it time Mike with the defense? Yeah, so I'll

496
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 4: just I'm going to tee up Mike because I know

497
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 4: Mike is really really disappointed.

498
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: He's upset about the defenses. I am about the offense.

499
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 4: We just yeah, we just spent you know, twenty three

500
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 4: minutes talking about the offense, and we're critical of the offense.

501
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 4: They have moved the ball, you know, but so they

502
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: deserve the criticism. I don't know how many people thought

503
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 4: it was going to be a whole lot better than

504
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 4: it has been. Like, the offense is what it is.

505
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 4: They had, you know, personnel issues up front at wide receiver,

506
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 4: and you have a veteran journeyman backup starting a quarterback.

507
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 4: So I don't know who thought they were going to

508
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 4: light it up. You thought the defense was going to

509
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 4: keep being every game. Yeah, they had a chance to

510
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 4: win the previous game at the end and couldn't do it.

511
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 4: And this to me was a total system breakdown. They

512
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 4: were outplayed for sixty full minutes by the Jets offense

513
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 4: in this game. And I don't know how many people

514
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: envision that.

515
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: Would they have been better with Christian Barmore in the

516
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 2: field and Matt jude On on the field, because that's

517
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 2: what people thought that defense was.

518
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 4: I'm talking about last week. I know I'm not going

519
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 4: back to like May no, I know, I'm talking about

520
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 4: this is what people thought. Okay after Cincinnati, all Right, Okay, like, yes,

521
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 4: of course they would be better without Christian Barber, with

522
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 4: Christian Barmour in the lineup. You traded jude on that count.

523
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 5: Okay, you had the pieces early in the spring that

524
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 5: you thought the defense had enough, and you've lost the

525
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 5: key pieces that you didn't have any depth back and

526
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 5: I think everything just kind of came home to roost.

527
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 4: Now.

528
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 5: I'd also just say they didn't look ready to play.

529
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 5: They didn't look like they were ready to replace Jawan Bentley.

530
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 5: I mean, ray Kwa McMillan can only bounce off Braylan Allen,

531
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 5: so many times before you realize he's not gonna be up.

532
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 5: You know, he's not going to be a tackle machine

533
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 5: Mike linebacker that you need. And I mean c J. Mosley,

534
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 5: Fred Warner. I mean you're seeing close up what the

535
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 5: center of the defense needs. And you know, I think

536
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 5: Paul had a good point talking yesterday about julniea seem

537
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 5: a little bit overwhelmed, like you know, he's not going

538
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 5: to really be that guy either, and so you know,

539
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 5: I mean, not a lot of teams have that extra player.

540
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 5: But it was just glaring with those two didn't really

541
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: look ready to play. I mean, they think they were

542
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 5: one and two and miss tackles. And then again it

543
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 5: goes back to the point of the Daniel a qualies

544
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 5: of the world, the Jeremiah Farms, the guys that are

545
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 5: journeyman that are not really meant to be every down

546
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 5: impact type players. I mean DeMarcus Covington got asked about

547
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: him on what was it on Friday, and I mean

548
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 5: I thought his you know, talking about Daniel Qualley, he's

549
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 5: got a lot to do him in, but this guy

550
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 5: isn't meant to be next to Devon Godshaw on every

551
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 5: single down. So they just don't have the horses. I mean,

552
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 5: they don't have the horse.

553
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 4: And I get Fred's point. I would agree with you know,

554
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 4: you lose Bombo, you lose jude On, you lose Bentley.

555
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 4: I mean that's that's significant. I didn't think and mistackles aside.

556
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 4: I think the mistackles are probably a one off, you know,

557
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 4: Thursday night. All right, I'll give him some of the

558
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't. I didn't like. I don't like

559
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 4: the way the secondary has looked for two weeks now.

560
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 4: I don't like the fact that quarterbacks have been able

561
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 4: to get out of the pocket for two weeks now.

562
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 4: And I don't like the fact that defensive coordinate says

563
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: it's not about x's and o's, which is what he

564
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 4: said last Friday.

565
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 2: In other words, we're scheming it right, they're not executing.

566
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

567
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 4: I mean I'm not.

568
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 5: Pointing to tackling to Yeah, fundament.

569
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just so browbeating. It's like muscle memory. I'm

570
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: so many years of losses around here that were you know,

571
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 4: we didn't like it, but it was we just got

572
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: to coach him better, you know, we got to you know,

573
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 4: this is on us. It starts with us. We got.

574
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: And it was striking to hear him saying, it's not

575
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: about Exis and O's. It was a little about x's

576
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 4: and o's. They did stuff that you weren't expecting, and

577
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: they had success with everything they did, So it was

578
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 4: at least a little about x's and o's. It wasn't

579
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 4: just mistackles. Yeah, right, would you agree with them? It

580
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 4: wasn't four hundred yards you know of misstackles, especially.

581
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 5: The execution of keeping them in the pocket, which just

582
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 5: was not you know.

583
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 4: And to your point, Fred, it felt worse. I agree

584
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 4: with you. It felt worse than twenty four points. And

585
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 4: this is only because the Jets made so many mistakes

586
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 4: and they had like seven offensive penalties that they gained.

587
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just to me, it's an overall lack of

588
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 3: discipline on the defensive side of the ball, and I'm

589
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: willing to give it a little bit.

590
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 4: I didn't see giving up no.

591
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: Because I a lot of their issues against the Jets

592
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 3: just watching the film back, or self inflicted, and so

593
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 3: I wonder if some of those things can be corrected,

594
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit easier than it appeared on Thursday night.

595
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 3: You know, the discipline pass rush in the keeping the

596
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 3: quarterback in the pocket, for example.

597
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 4: That's correctable. That's correctable.

598
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 3: You know, they're running a lot of scheme rushes because

599
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: they don't have judon and they don't have bar more.

600
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: So they're running these simulated pressures, they're running stunts, they're

601
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: running all sorts of stuff up front to get guys

602
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: loose in the pass rush. But in order to do that,

603
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 3: you know, there's usually a guy or two who their

604
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: job is simply just to keep the quarterback in the pocket.

605
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: Like you got to mirror the quarterback, josh Ucha. You

606
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: can't just go inside the tackle when they're running a

607
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: blitz on the other side, because Aaron Rodgers is going

608
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: to try to escape to your side, So let him

609
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: come to you. Don't go to him right and I

610
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: with him. I have developing takes. But in general, like

611
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: that's what I see a lot of the time. Daniel

612
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: Aqualley gets stuck out on the edge because they're running

613
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: a stim and like he gets stuck out there. He's

614
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: a defensive tackle. He's not used to talk about over

615
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: the tackle. Rogers breaks out to the right, hits the

616
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: receiver downfield on third down. If you make those plays

617
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: on third down, then all of a sudden, you're off

618
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: the field.

619
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Speaker 7: Right.

620
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what can really concern me. You know,

621
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: in everything you guys are talking about X's nose, I

622
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 4: wholeheartedly agree with, and I would also agree that most

623
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: of it is correctable. The thing that that stuck stuck

624
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 4: out to me is I've seen in the past the

625
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: start of that game a million times, whereas the other

626
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: team has a good plan, catches Bill off guard, catches

627
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: Steve and the rest of the staff off guard, and

628
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 4: you know, you give up maybe ten quick points, and

629
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: then it changes a little bit and it settles in

630
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 4: the game declares, as Bill used to love to say,

631
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: and it settles down. There was no adjustment to tie

632
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: freaking Conklin just running unabated in the middle of the

633
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: defense for seemingly the easiest pitches in ca that I've

634
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: ever seen. Some of those were as a result of

635
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: Rogers breaking containment in the pocket and extending the play

636
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: a little bit, but it certainly looked pretty much by

637
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 4: design that the Jets wanted to do this stuff. Uh,

638
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: you know, I would have thought Garrett Wilson would have

639
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: never had any opportunity, you know, in the old days,

640
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: never had any opportunities to make plays. I thought he

641
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: was open pretty much every play that they missed. An

642
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: easy touchdown to him would have got called back by

643
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 4: a penalty anyway, on a garbage call on Wilson going

644
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 4: up field before the.

645
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: Snap, Gonzales fell down.

646
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just beat a little shake. He had another

647
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 4: in the red zone where he shook him uh, you know,

648
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: for just almost didn't even get a hand on him,

649
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: Like I would have thought that kind of stuff would

650
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 4: have been tapered off. As the game went on, and

651
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 4: I didn't really see it change at all until the

652
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Speaker 4: Jets decided.

653
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Speaker 2: To throttle the fourth the floodgates open and it was

654
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Speaker 2: they couldn't stop. They couldn't stop.

655
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Speaker 5: And give credit to Aaron Rodgers too, I meant, but

656
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 5: he looked like Aaron Rodgers, comfortable. They never got among Yeah,

657
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 5: he looked great.

658
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: I was dead wrong about that. I mean, Aaron Rodgers

659
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: in the first two weeks did not look like the

660
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers they played on Thursday. No, you know, he

661
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: looked that looked like MVP, you know, twenty nineteen Aaron Rodgers.

662
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Any silver linings at this point I have won,

663
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: but any any silver linings that it.

664
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Speaker 5: Was a short week and then they were banged up

665
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 5: and that you know that that that like Con Bentley,

666
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 5: I mean, it's you know that's and honestly, like I've

667
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 5: seen games like this in the past. I've seen the

668
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 5: old Patriots teams have games where they were not on today,

669
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: they were not tackling like it was just the simple stuff,

670
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 5: getting off blocks, making plays. So I think some of

671
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 5: the discipline stuff can be you know. I mean, I

672
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 5: look and I like Gonzales has somehow gotten off the rails,

673
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 5: Like I think Christian g Zalez has played six games

674
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 5: and he's going to.

675
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: Be a really good player.

676
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 5: He's got a ways to go, but I still feel

677
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 5: he's a silver lining. I don't think he's arrived in

678
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 5: any sense. I'm not gonna that he's anywhere close to

679
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 5: a finished product. But I continue to be enthusiastic about

680
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 5: him and about key On White. But they it feels

681
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 5: a little like twenty twenty on defense, where you just

682
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 5: you don't have impact NFL players on that side of

683
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 5: the ball. You've got a handful of guys trying to

684
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 5: make it work. I mean, I thought the Jets playing

685
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 5: with with Mike Williams targeting Jonathan Jones. I mean it

686
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 5: just makes you realize that maybe Jonathan Jones is best

687
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 5: served he's really kind of a slot corner, Like that's

688
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: you know, maybe he's a little bit miscast playing as

689
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 5: an outside corner and really thinking that he's, you know,

690
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 5: an elite outside piece like that. He's entering the last

691
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 5: year of his deal. So I think there are a

692
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 5: lot of questions on the defensive side of the ball,

693
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 5: which you kind of knew they were going to be,

694
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 5: and they shored some of it up this offseason, but

695
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 5: they have to get impact players, especially in the pass

696
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: rush up front, to win up front. I mean that's

697
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 5: what stood out to me with the Jets, with Quinn

698
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 5: Williams and the rest of them, they just were playing

699
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 5: at a different level than the Patriots offensive line was.

700
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 5: I mean, they were just all over them. I Mean,

701
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 5: David Andrews was just overwhelmed at times, and you could

702
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: tell it's the Jets home opener, Like why did I

703
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 5: overlook that? Like why did I just though that Jets

704
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 5: don't really look that good? Like this is.

705
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodny coming back to the field where he got hurt.

706
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 5: They feel like they've got the pieces now like it's

707
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 5: gonna be a buzzsaw on a short week and we're

708
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 5: missing some of our biggest leaders. You know, I think

709
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 5: I think we should have been a never weathered the storm.

710
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: Any any silver linings for you guys.

711
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: I like the short week silver lining though.

712
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: I like in general just I do think the corrections

713
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: on defense are the things on defense are correctable. I

714
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: do think they can they can fix some of those things.

715
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: And they had some plays on third down where I

716
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: thought the initial coverage was decent and they were going

717
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: to get home with the pass rush, and then Rogers

718
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: would just get out of the pocket and make something happen.

719
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: You know, he hits Lazard on a backside crosser. It's like, well,

720
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: if he doesn't get out of the pocket and extend

721
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: the play, then he probably never finds the backside crosser

722
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: because Deetrich wise is bringing him down for a sack. So,

723
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: you know, there's little things like that I think are correctable.

724
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: Even though the game plan stunk and it didn't work,

725
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, getting Pop Douglas going a little bit what

726
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: was encouraging. I like how they got him going, some

727
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: of the plays that they ran for him. I thought,

728
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: we're in neat and in productive, so that can't be

729
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: the only thing that you have offensively. But it was

730
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: better than it was in the first two weeks with him,

731
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: So just once silver lining on offense, I suppose it

732
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: would be there.

733
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: I know it's kind of crazy to say a team

734
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 2: coming off a four and ten season need to be humbled,

735
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: but I think you know, you had the big win

736
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, you had a game where you probably thought

737
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: you'd let get away against Seattle, maybe they were starting

738
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: to smell themselves a little bit, and you know, from

739
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: the coaching staff on down, maybe this was you know,

740
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: a silver lining in the fact that, well, we had

741
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: a lot, We're a long way away, we had a

742
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: lot of work to do on both sides of the

743
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: ball and in coaching, and you know, maybe you know,

744
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: after week three, it's not a bad thing to get

745
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: humbled a little bit.

746
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 5: You had to feel that games like this might happen.

747
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 5: I mean, just to me, though, is how do you

748
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 5: respond now? And it's not even going on the road

749
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 5: in San Francisco. It's as hard of a follow up

750
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 5: test that you could possibly have. They've got some injury,

751
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 5: but how does this team respond especially you know, defensively,

752
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: where I feel like there's an effort thing that that

753
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 5: is obvious out of the gate. And you know, we

754
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 5: did our little preview. It's like, if you don't show

755
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 5: up and tackle and set the edge against this team,

756
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 5: like you're gonna be in for a really long day

757
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 5: against these guys, no matter no matter who's playing.

758
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, eight five five pass five hundred is

759
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: the ace ticket hotline, web radio at Patriots dot com

760
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: is the email address. Okay, so I guess we can

761
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: turn it over to the listeners right now unless you're

762
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: anything else.

763
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 4: You want to talk about a lot of emails coming in?

764
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tons of emails, tons of emails coming in,

765
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: uh league wide? Anything else you want to just off?

766
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 5: I said to Evan, I'm like freaking Patrick Mahomes and

767
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 5: Josh Allen AFC, Like what's even the point right now?

768
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 5: Like two, why are we even trying? Like these two

769
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 5: guys are so good. I mean, Josh Allen just look

770
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 5: excellent last night, the way they were working the ball around,

771
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 5: the way they use their running backs. I mean, he

772
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 5: just I mean he was just in the zone last night.

773
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 5: I felt like he just couldn't miss like, I he's

774
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 5: been the MVP awesome player.

775
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 4: And if you don't play tight coverage and at the

776
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 4: same time marry that with a lack of a pass rush.

777
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's what happens on defense when Josh Allen,

778
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: Sweet Lou, I only want the JAG's coverage.

779
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: Was last night the first happen.

780
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: Josh Allen had. I mean, like, that's ridiculous.

781
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: Sweet Lou was was was man, he was, he was

782
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: on it last night. I loved Lewis Riddick. He and this.

783
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: I think there's a little something that he's kind of

784
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: like like Evan and I with this defensiveness of Josh Allen,

785
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 4: like somehow Josh Allen hasn't won a Super Bowl, so

786
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: he sucks now, you know. And it's just like, man,

787
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 4: you're just not watching if you think that that guy

788
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 4: can't play.

789
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: You know, you talk about Rogers being able to flick

790
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: it out. I mean some of the throws that Allen

791
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: had just using his wrist and throwing at thirty yards

792
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: down field.

793
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 4: How about the one rolling to his left to Ty Johnson.

794
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, the touchdown the Kincaid.

795
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

796
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 4: But he's not suppossed to be able to roll to

797
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 4: his left.

798
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's He's on another level. Mahomes is on

799
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: another level.

800
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: Mahomes is a window wide over Well, no, the offense

801
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: is a hole at Kansas City is having some issues.

802
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: Mahomes a checkdown artist all of a sudden. I mean,

803
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: I'm like teasing a little bit.

804
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: But well, he has more downfield throws this year than

805
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: he did all last year combined, already completely all.

806
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: In week one like his a dots like dead last

807
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 3: in the league. Yeah, he's not throwing average depth of target.

808
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: I don't care either, five like five point one, five

809
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 3: point two yards?

810
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

811
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's how teams are playing him, right,

812
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: They're playing you know, split safety.

813
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: I think he's getting used off some new guys and I.

814
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: Think Rice and Worthy of hit some big plays and

815
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 4: people are adjusting, I mean, is off to him.

816
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: Championship team to carting out how to win?

817
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 3: The Chiefs? Are they played football exactly like the Patriots

818
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: used to play football?

819
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: Well, I have a question for all the Chiefs, all

820
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: the Chiefs haters, Right, So was that passing appearance on

821
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 4: the Chiefs? Should that have been called in the end zone?

822
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 5: I think it.

823
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: Was pretty clear, right, it's pretty clearly. I don't know,

824
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: that's just me. I think it was pretty clearly they

825
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 4: interfere with Kyle Pitts in the end zone, right right,

826
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 4: So I'm sure that I'm sure all the people that

827
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 4: that don't believe in passing appearance think that wasn't passing appearance,

828
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 4: because that's what I heard the week before when the

829
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: Chiefs got got the call that week too. Right, Oh,

830
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 4: how can you call passing appearance? This incidental contact? No,

831
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: it's passing appearance. It should have been called last week

832
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: against Cincinnati on Cincinnati, and it should have been called

833
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 4: on Kansas City this week. That was blatant passing appearance

834
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 4: in the end zone and that changes the whole game.

835
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 4: The fountains probably school. They take the lead under five

836
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 4: minutes to go, and my pick would have been right.

837
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: On a serious note that it'll comes back to your

838
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: snarky about the refsnow offense. That's a terrible they they

839
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: you know, they have their games Kansas City where they're

840
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: just dominanting, they roll, but these games that are close,

841
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: it's like they do just enough on both sides of

842
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: the ball.

843
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 4: How similar it is to that and it's like, you know,

844
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: how many games did the Patriots just squeaked by because

845
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: they made one or two more plays at the end,

846
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 4: they're just in the other team, and it's it's like right,

847
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 4: they're just like conference the week five.

848
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: Good offense will force you into mistakes, and mistakes include

849
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: penalties like the Patriots used to.

850
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: The Kansas City that should have got called for the

851
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: penalty the way will in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

852
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: Uh, he's looking for some silver linings, Paul, Please don't

853
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: yell at me any chance more and Taki Taki can

854
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: give us a bit of a boost. Also, who is

855
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: our best player to be next to Gotshaw on early

856
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: downs to off the run?

857
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 4: I got thoughts.

858
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I think kind of done with Osborne, Like

859
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 5: I just I don't really see it with Osborne. I

860
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 5: think Kendrick Bourne's an easy slide him in. It's a

861
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 5: great question that guy and Taki Taki. I wish I

862
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 5: could say I'm excited, but I just think he's kind

863
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 5: of more of the same, of kind of more a

864
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 5: special teams guy, not a big dog inside, so I

865
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 5: I I have limited expectations. His depth will help, but

866
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's any bit better born.

867
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: Should help if he's If he's healthy enough to help,

868
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 4: he will. Who goes? Do you think they would release?

869
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Speaker 4: Do you think that they would take Booty or Baker

870
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 4: and put him on the practice squad?

871
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: But I think I think Baker's somebody will claim Baker.

872
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: I think Kishan Boody to the practice squad. But Bourne

873
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: definitely should help. He's their best receiver on paper, Like,

874
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: if he's healthy and he's one hundred percent, he's their

875
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: best receiver. He's definitely an upgrade Overton.

876
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Speaker 4: And I'm with the emailer, I think he will help.

877
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to say he's a savior,

878
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: but he's and help, I would say. And then Taki Taki,

879
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: I think you know, there's a chance he's back for

880
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: week five. Sounds like he's trending in the right direction,

881
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: so maybe he plays.

882
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Speaker 5: I'll take him. I mean, I think, you know, when

883
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 5: he first signed, we looked a little bit at him,

884
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 5: you know, playing some defense.

885
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: So he can do it a little bit.

886
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 3: It's more of a passing downs, a Mac Wilson type.

887
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: I think he's better than Mac Wilson.

888
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think kind of you know, what you

889
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 5: want is a big heavy kind of dude that can

890
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 5: play the run, and.

891
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 4: Because I thought Toby was sort of an underrated jack

892
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 4: of all trades kind of guy who could, who could

893
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 4: do some things. And I think, you know, in the

894
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 4: on the with with that Bentley role, I'm not sure

895
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 4: he's suited for that, And I wonder if they rethink

896
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 4: that and maybe go in a different direction. And where's

897
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 4: the land right may throw he's still playing.

898
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not a bad like kind of area

899
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 5: to think about.

900
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Speaker 3: But because I agree totally with Divide, he is definitely

901
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: much better playing the week side and just being able

902
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: to there and not have to worry so much about

903
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: structurally being sound deceptively athletic too. In space, I think, yeah, yeah,

904
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: he's much better as a robin than the battle.

905
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 5: It's like getting through traffic and defeating guys and anticipating

906
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 5: getting there early. It's not really his game.

907
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: Kelly and salt Lake the idea that the Patriots need

908
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: to force Drake into the game because Jaden had a

909
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 2: good game. It's regurgitated bs everyone who watched that game.

910
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: Watch Daniels have time in the pocket on Thursday night

911
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: against the jetste.

912
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 4: What's a different game than I did.

913
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: Then on Thursday night against the jetste missing both starting

914
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: defensive ends, the Patriots gave up pressure on over fifty

915
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: percent of their plays. Everyone knows experience makes you better,

916
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: but being under fire on every passing play is not

917
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: going to help develop any quarterback. Daniels is also twenty

918
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 2: four and played five times as much college football as Drake.

919
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: He should be farther along.

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00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know who he's arguing with the emailer

921
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Speaker 4: because I don't know who said that because Jade and

922
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: Daniels played well, you have to play Drake May.

923
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 3: I'm sure that that is a popular opinion.

924
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Speaker 4: So I don't know who that argument is with. And

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Speaker 4: I would agree with the email's premise on that Daniel

926
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Speaker 4: should have nothing to do with your decision on May.

927
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Speaker 4: I would just counter with Washington's offensive line is terrible.

928
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Speaker 4: I watched a good chunk of the game last night.

929
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Speaker 4: I watched a lot of their game against Tampa in

930
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 4: Week one, and he got killed. He was forced to

931
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: run the whole game because he was under attack. So

932
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 4: don't tell me that he has all day to throw.

933
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: I don't care what numbers say. He doesn't have all

934
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 4: data throw. That's a bad offensive line. Maybe it's not

935
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Speaker 4: as bad as this one, certainly not as bad as

936
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: this one played last Thursday night, but let's not confuse

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Speaker 4: them for being, you know, this solid offensive line.

938
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's the only place that I would

939
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Speaker 3: come with it in response, is just Jaden Daniels is

940
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 3: playing behind let's call it a below average offensive line,

941
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Speaker 3: maybe not a terrible offensive line, but not a good one.

942
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Speaker 3: And he's not broken, like he's he's fine. He gets

943
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: hit and he gets back up, and we go back

944
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: out there and he plays the next play.

945
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: He even how to slide sid last night, you.

946
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 3: Know, last last player or last throw of the game.

947
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: He gets cover zero, he has a free runner that

948
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: blows him up, and he's talking to Pam Oliver after

949
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: the game as the player of the game, like he's fine,

950
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Speaker 3: Like he got hit.

951
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: I was thinking of when he's got all day to

952
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 4: throw in the pocket. That was an unbelievable throw with

953
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Speaker 4: a guy right in his grill.

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Speaker 11: Good afternoon, up quiet crop, Good afternoon, So thanks UH.

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Speaker 11: This morning, had had a good meeting with the UH

986
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 11: with the team, kind of recap the last three games

987
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 11: and level set on expectations and just told those guys

988
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 11: just like always that you know, we have to continue

989
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 11: to get better. Tried to put some things into perspective.

990
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 11: You know, you know you have a team that's picked

991
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 11: the wind. The super Bowl gets blown out the next week.

992
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 11: Like right now, it's about who can get better the quickest,

993
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 11: and that's just what we have to do. We have

994
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 11: to get back to the fundamentals where we talk about

995
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 11: tackling and running and you know, being able to move

996
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 11: the ball and also takeaway is definitely a huge part

997
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 11: of it. But guys are ready to work, they're excited,

998
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 11: and today it's all about an EP has nothing to

999
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 11: do with anyone else, has everything to do with you know,

1000
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 11: self scout and really just working on things that continue

1001
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 11: to show up on a game after game basis.

1002
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you guys are still searching for

1003
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: your identity to what.

1004
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: Kind of team you are?

1005
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 11: I think that, you know, I think I don't want

1006
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 11: to jump to conclusions because after we control the line

1007
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 11: of scrimmage throughout the preseason and also control the line

1008
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 11: of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, you know,

1009
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 11: the first two games, and then to sit here and

1010
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 11: overreact on the third game and controlling the line of scrimmage,

1011
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 11: I don't want to do that. I still think we

1012
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 11: have a tough, physical football team, and that's my expectation

1013
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 11: and that's also their expectations. To go out there and

1014
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 11: establish your toughness and then by in the fourth quarter,

1015
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 11: hopefully you have a chance to win.

1016
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 10: Resetting expectations to the TV today on why is that

1017
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 10: born to you and be what were the expectations that

1018
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 10: were reset?

1019
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, that's a good question, and maybe I misspoken

1020
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 11: saying resetting expectations, but just reminding them of what we

1021
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 11: said all the way back in the spring of what

1022
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 11: type of team that we want to be and you know,

1023
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 11: went in on a short week and didn't perform the

1024
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 11: way we wanted to, but it was more of a

1025
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 11: reminder I probably should have said it that way, or

1026
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 11: a reminder of what we said we were and how

1027
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 11: we have to play play winning football.

1028
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 4: That today's be also other antipas. I mean, you guys

1029
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 4: won't be preparing for the.

1030
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 11: Forty nine ers, and tis we'll sprinkle a little bit

1031
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 11: in there in the forty nine ers. But but once again,

1032
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 11: it's about us, and it's a bonus day for us,

1033
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 11: and you know, the players are off tomorrow and then

1034
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 11: it's a normal week, well normal ish we leave on Friday.

1035
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 11: But it's just about the things that continue to show up, uh,

1036
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 11: day after day, game after game.

1037
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 10: Conversations, three ybers of money we good at game like

1038
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 10: take you did say, you know, froll the line of.

1039
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,479
Speaker 4: Scriverge the first two games. Talked a little bit today

1040
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: about how the pass today.

1041
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a it's a very you know, upfront conversation.

1042
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 11: And you know, I have the relationship and so do

1043
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 11: the coaches have their relationship with those guys where you

1044
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 11: can be very transparent and open like this isn't this

1045
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 11: isn't good enough. You know, I show on one of

1046
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 11: my slides this morning was just the picture of a mirror.

1047
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 11: And this is our jobs as coaches is to put

1048
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 11: the mirror in front of the player's face and remind

1049
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 11: them like what it really is. Uh, it's not about

1050
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 11: you know, your mom or your brother, your cousins tell you.

1051
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 11: You know, it's not your fault. It's all of our fault.

1052
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 11: And once again, it starts with me.

1053
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 4: You mentioned the importance of turnovers.

1054
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 5: I know Kyle Dunder mentioned summer of the emphasis punching

1055
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 5: the ball on every play.

1056
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 9: Have you seen that same type of effort and what

1057
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 9: can you do to start getting those turnovers?

1058
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 11: So we've definitely seen that same effort. I would say

1059
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 11: as a player, no matter what level you're at, turnovers

1060
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 11: coming bunches. That's and that's how it happens. You know,

1061
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 11: you get one and then all of a sudden, you

1062
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 11: know you're you're getting three here, four here. But they

1063
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 11: definitely come in bunches. And you know, my reminder to

1064
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 11: those guys is just keep just keep attacking the ball

1065
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 11: and and they'll come.

1066
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Speaker 2: Philosophy on offensive side of bout how you handle fum.

1067
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean that's that's a huge part of it. Look,

1068
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 11: it's no secret that you know, Dre's fumbled the ball

1069
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 11: three times in three games, and you know, now you

1070
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 11: become a target and every single team, not just for Remindre,

1071
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 11: but for everyone who handles the ball, Like, we're all

1072
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 11: going to be targets until we can show that we

1073
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 11: can protect the ball to.

1074
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Speaker 4: Get the city.

1075
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Speaker 11: So Jack, Uh, So he'll he'll be out there today, uh,

1076
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 11: hopefully moving around a little bit and we'll see. We'll

1077
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 11: see how he responds the next day.

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Speaker 5: If you said you must take that, Kendrick Ford is

1079
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Speaker 5: making you do press.

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Speaker 11: He's made in great progress and uh, he's running fast.

1081
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Speaker 11: He looks good in his routes. We'll just you know,

1082
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Speaker 11: when he's ready to be out there, he'll be out there.

1083
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Speaker 10: So if he's healthy, would you expect him to slide

1084
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 10: back again as the starting left guard?

1085
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan cap, that's fun. I'm not sure.

1086
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 11: We'll just have to kind of, I mean, once again,

1087
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 11: it's still early in the season and we'll just have

1088
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 11: to see how it goes.

1089
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: Dar he expected to be out there, so he's kind

1090
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Speaker 3: of stats.

1091
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Speaker 11: You know, it's interesting. You know, he's he's kind of

1092
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 11: been in and out of the lineup all the way

1093
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 11: back in the summer, we'll just you know, when we

1094
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 11: say we'll work these guys out in individuals like. All

1095
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 11: that stuff is good, but you have to see how

1096
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 11: they present the next day. I wish I could sit

1097
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 11: here and give you a timeline, but I can't. On

1098
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 11: that player I do, he'll be out there. I'm not

1099
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 11: sure just how much he'll do.

1100
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Speaker 4: John Greatful this morning, when you were talking about the

1101
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 4: past part issues, I think he said, the biggest one

1102
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Speaker 4: right now is.

1103
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Speaker 5: Just seeing everything really the same set behind.

1104
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Speaker 10: Is there a way that you can't say five protections

1105
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 10: for those guys or is it really like they just

1106
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 10: need to figure it out.

1107
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 11: No, it's more about reps. And I feel that you

1108
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 11: know the protections that we run. I mean everyone, I

1109
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 11: mean a lot of teams run the same protection and

1110
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 11: what I show them this morning. Anytime you have a

1111
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 11: free runner through the air of the B gap, it

1112
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 11: gives a quarterback no chance and we have to be

1113
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 11: inside out and all of our protections. And if the

1114
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 11: quarterback can see, you know, an edge defender, you know,

1115
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 11: being the free player, then he can most of the

1116
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 11: time make everyone else right.

1117
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: But that hasn't been the case here.

1118
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 10: And I know you had you know, an early be

1119
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 10: gap pressure that got through. But I thinks to the

1120
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Speaker 10: Black Ones against the Jets where you know Nicol safety

1121
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 10: and then a couple of addressers on those boots. I

1122
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 10: mean that seems to be problematic as well as there

1123
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 10: are one solution of a couple solutions for that.

1124
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: Well, just the.

1125
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Speaker 11: Boot play in particular. Sometimes you have protected boots and

1126
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 11: sometimes you have unprotected boots. And what I will say

1127
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 11: is like you're anticipating a player to do one thing

1128
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 11: and sometimes they change that up. It goes back to

1129
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 11: you know, those tendency breakers, those guys all the other

1130
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 11: teams they self scout as well. So we just have

1131
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 11: to get better as a whole. Our screen game has

1132
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 11: to get better. We have to continue to run the

1133
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 11: ball and and also you know the intermediate passing got

1134
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 11: to do a better job with that.

1135
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 9: Trying people be curious, like the told you try to

1136
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 9: set as a head coach after a game like that one,

1137
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 9: how would you describe it as it patients as an urgency,

1138
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 9: Like how do you convey to try to convey the.

1139
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 11: Message I always tell the guys, you know, win, loser, draw,

1140
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 11: we have to be ready to change the page. And

1141
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 11: the NFL, especially earlier in the season, is so up

1142
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 11: and down. No one really knows who's good who's bad

1143
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 11: even when the schedule releases come out. Just because you

1144
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 11: were good the past year doesn't mean you're going to

1145
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 11: be good this year. And the same thing, just because

1146
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 11: you were bad last year doesn't mean you're going to

1147
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 11: be bad this year. And so you know, for me,

1148
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 11: it's always been about just changing the page and moving

1149
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 11: on to the to the next one. And this is why,

1150
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 11: you know, we always talk about, especially at the quarterback position,

1151
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 11: not getting too high or getting too low, like let's

1152
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 11: try to you know, handle winning and handle losses, you know,

1153
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 11: the right way and learn from those mistakes.

1154
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: When it comes to containing quarterbacks and the poppy you

1155
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: know put defensively, do you feel like that has been

1156
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 3: an issue because of scheme related stuff or more like discipline.

1157
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 11: Stuff, talking about a combination of the two, and you know,

1158
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 11: we as a whole, we just have to do a

1159
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 11: better job keeping the quarterback in the pocket. That was

1160
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 11: one of the last reminders even where Rogers is, let's

1161
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 11: keep this guy in the pocket, and you know, he

1162
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 11: just had had free room too many times and we'll

1163
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 11: get that corrected.

1164
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: And now great moments in.

1165
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 4: History.

1166
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: Ashes in Bristol. I don't know Bristol, Rhode Island or Bristol, UK.

1167
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 3: And I'm assuming, I'm assuming it's u K.

1168
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: Why are you assuming that?

1169
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 3: Because Ashley is a common name over there, so it's.

1170
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: Not common here for a male. No, how do you

1171
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 2: know it's a male?

1172
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 9: I'm guessing because he's written in before and said it's.

1173
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: A oh okay, so you know, but you know the person.

1174
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: Why did you just say that.

1175
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you always have to make things so difficult.

1176
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: No, you did, so I know who it is. That's

1177
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: all you have to say, Derek.

1178
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: I was with I was with you before. I have

1179
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: to be with Pop Guns. Friend's right on this one.

1180
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 4: All you had to say was, yeah, no, he calls

1181
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 4: in all the time.

1182
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 2: I know him.

1183
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 4: Years to go with because it's a common thing. I

1184
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 4: do believe, like you know a little bit more about

1185
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 4: the entomology, the whole thing. And all you had to

1186
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: say was, Ashley writes in all the time. It's it's

1187
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 4: a guy.

1188
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 3: Even now, I'm with you, Pump anyway.

1189
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 4: That's another great moment.

1190
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Speaker 2: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered eight five to

1191
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: five pass five hundred is the a sticket? Oh, sorry,

1192
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: my first mistake. It's the TPX hotline web radio at

1193
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: Patriots dot com as the email address John and Louisiana

1194
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: says he wants to stick up for the defense. He says,

1195
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: it's crazy to hear the defense get sticks and stones

1196
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: thrown at them this early. To me, what's hurting the

1197
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: defense is most is our own offense. I don't know

1198
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: the exact number, but the time of possession is that

1199
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: in the last two games have been ridiculously lopsided, coming

1200
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: off and over correct coming off an overtime game, then

1201
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: being on the field as much as they did against

1202
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: that level of quarterback Thursday night is an ideal. Paul

1203
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: go is on me, please and thank you.

1204
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll pull it up. But first two games the Patriots.

1205
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 4: Domin dominated time possession the first two games.

1206
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 3: Correct, it was last week. It was obvious because they

1207
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: threw the ball to three and out for the first

1208
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: five No.

1209
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 4: I'll give you the reason why they got dominated in

1210
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 4: time posision last week because they couldn't get off the

1211
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 4: field and the Jets just had scoring drives that took

1212
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 4: seven minutes, seven minutes, seven minutes. That has nothing to

1213
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 4: do with your offense. When you come out and they

1214
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 4: drive all the way down the field, then they get

1215
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 4: a penalty and don't score in the first drive, then

1216
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 4: they drive all the way on the field, touchdown, all

1217
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: the way down the field, touchdown. That's not just because

1218
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 4: your offense being bad. That was bad defense.

1219
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: So in the first two weeks of the season, the

1220
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: Patriots were fifth in the league in time of possession,

1221
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: Like in the good direction, possessing the ball almost thirty

1222
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 3: four minutes a game in the first two weeks of

1223
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: the season. Obviously last week was was the opposite. But

1224
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 3: the first two weeks they possessed.

1225
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 5: Those games unfolded the way they needed them to. You know,

1226
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 5: they got the lead, they were in it, you know,

1227
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 5: and it unfolds well. But I think you're seeing with

1228
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 5: the defense now it's the same thing with the offense.

1229
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 5: When they're up against it. Can they make the big

1230
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 5: play to counteract the turnable or you know, can the

1231
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 5: defense make a big stop. And you know, I don't

1232
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 5: think they were clutched.

1233
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: They were missing.

1234
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 5: Tackles Rogers had all day they got let him get

1235
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 5: outside the pocket.

1236
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 4: I mean, there were a number of issues, and just

1237
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 4: so you know, like I'm talking about the defense now,

1238
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 4: like not every game. I'm not telling you that they

1239
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 4: can't get better. I was just a little surprised that

1240
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 4: they started the game so poorly and never really improved.

1241
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 4: Usually when that happens, there's adjustments that get in you know,

1242
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 4: the other team, Yes, exactly.

1243
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just wish I could on myself on who

1244
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 5: are the guys that are going to emerge or you know,

1245
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 5: guys that we haven't seen anything out of, Like everybody

1246
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 5: that we're playing on defense, you kind of know what

1247
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 5: they are right now. I mean key On White is

1248
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 5: an example, and Gonzales of two guys that we don't

1249
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 5: truly know how good they're going to be yet. There's

1250
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 5: some potential there, but it's just hard to say, like, well,

1251
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 5: where's the pass rush coming from? In Week thirteen, I

1252
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 5: just I don't see the horses here. I mean maybe

1253
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 5: this guy Jammery chrome Chroma. You say, like you know,

1254
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 5: that's that's what they're turning over right now. So I

1255
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 5: just think I think we kind of buried our heads

1256
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 5: in the sand on the defense that week one was.

1257
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: A little bit fool's gold, right, Yeah.

1258
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 5: But I mean I still think they're okay when they play,

1259
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 5: you know, all together and they're and they're on. But

1260
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 5: it's just when they're not, they're they're going to be

1261
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 5: really bad because they don't really have those talent guys

1262
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 5: that offset.

1263
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: They're they're twenty eighth defense, twenty eighth the Patriots, like

1264
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: blows my mind, Like even when it got bad with Bill,

1265
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: it was still top ten.

1266
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 4: Twenty eleven kind of numbers. Yeah, but and this is

1267
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 4: just my point, like it could I'm not telling you

1268
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 4: that this is what it is and will always be

1269
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 4: this way the rest of the year, like forget about it.

1270
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 4: But they gave up well over six hundred yards passing

1271
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 4: the last two games combined, so it's not just like

1272
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 4: this one off. They dominated Cincinnati in the opener and

1273
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 4: have been thoroughly average or worse than the other two games. Like,

1274
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 4: they were really really good against the run against Seattle,

1275
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 4: so they were able to make it all one dimensional.

1276
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 4: They didn't stop anything against the Jets. Braylen Allen looked

1277
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 4: pretty good against in that game too. They're also getting shredded.

1278
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 4: They've been playing a lot more cover two this year

1279
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 4: than in years past, and they've been getting absolutely diced

1280
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 4: up in their cover two zones because I don't know.

1281
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 4: There's probably a million reasons why for that now, the

1282
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 4: biggest one being teams that play a lot of zone

1283
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 4: get home with four rushers, and the Patriots aren't one

1284
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 4: of those teams that has a defensive line and that

1285
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 4: dominates like that. But they've been trying to sprinkle that

1286
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 4: in a lot more on early downs and they've just

1287
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 4: been getting lit up.

1288
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: A five five past five hundred is the tp X hotline.

1289
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: Let's get to some of these calls. Eldred's in North Carolina?

1290
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: What's up? Eldred?

1291
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 12: All right, I'm doing fine too. I'm I just got

1292
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 12: it's a talent. Just verge your gifts up. Just what

1293
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 12: that is, you know, if you know goody to want

1294
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 12: to meet. They got a better roster than what we got,

1295
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 12: no doubt.

1296
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: We said that at the beginning of the season. If Rogers,

1297
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: we said, if Rogers is Rogers this year, they're gonna

1298
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: be a handful. They're going to have a possibility to

1299
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: win the.

1300
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 4: A f C East.

1301
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: That's how good their roster is exactly.

1302
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 12: But I'm just you know, I was killing Bill. But

1303
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 12: if Wood would be He's did dressing the same wait,

1304
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 12: and I'm just well, I'm just gonna sit back and

1305
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 12: just just enjoyed the season and just hope you know,

1306
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 12: they put up a better fight than they did Thursday night.

1307
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 12: And that's all I got.

1308
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: Fellas Okay, thanks, Aldred, Appreciate the call. I mean, that's

1309
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: kind of like, if you're being realistic, that's the that's

1310
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: a good attitude. Just sit back and watch the games,

1311
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 2: understand where we're coming from, where we need to go.

1312
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 2: It's a long way. This is, you know, part one

1313
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: of a new journey with a new coaching staff and

1314
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: a new quarterback.

1315
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 4: And you know, that's a big part of the reason

1316
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 4: why I want to see Drake may is that because

1317
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 4: that would improve you know, like right if I were

1318
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 4: you know, look, I don't think Denver's going anywhere, okay,

1319
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 4: and I'm not sold at all on Bonnicks, but there's

1320
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 4: that that they are. Sean Payton obviously believes in them,

1321
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 4: and you've seen a little bit of a progression, yep,

1322
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 4: to the point where they he played really well in

1323
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 4: this most recent game. Like that's something to me. Even

1324
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: if I'm gonna fit there'sh six and eleven or whatever.

1325
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: How did he make that progression? How do you think

1326
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 2: oh by playing oh oh.

1327
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 4: The snort police.

1328
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 5: He pulled it from Evans twitter last snap.

1329
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: I poked the hornet's nest with that one. I knew

1330
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 3: what I was doing. Did they get mad at I

1331
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 3: dropped the bomb and walked away on that?

1332
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, and again I'm not Please don't take this

1333
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 4: as being critical of Mayo and Van Pelt for being

1334
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 4: patient with may I not that you have an idea

1335
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 4: of what You have a lot more information than we do, right,

1336
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying to watch. I think people can

1337
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 4: get behind watching you know, a five or six win

1338
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 4: team more so than maybe even a seven win team

1339
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 4: or an eight win team with different quarterbacks. I think

1340
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 4: there's this a little bit more Mike's point. Mike finds

1341
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 4: a way to get you know, sort of enthused and

1342
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 4: excited about a lot of different stuff. And he's right, like,

1343
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 4: you know, can we get Jalen Polk involved? You know,

1344
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 4: can do Mario be involved? You know, these are the

1345
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 4: young guys that are that are part of Leyden Robinson's

1346
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 4: starting at guard. That's great. You know, maybe Cayden Wallace

1347
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 4: can move over to the right side and maybe not

1348
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 4: look as overwhelmed as he did on the left side,

1349
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 4: and you feel a little bit better about some of

1350
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 4: those young guys. That's to me stuff to get excited about.

1351
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 5: Like Eldrid said, I think it's good stuff. I just

1352
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 5: real quick was like that, people don't know who this

1353
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 5: next team's gonna be, and so at least if Drake

1354
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 5: May is in there, you know he's going to be

1355
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 5: part of what's next, and so you're you know, you

1356
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 5: don't feel like you're just watching a lame duck Patriots

1357
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 5: team where Polk hasn't really been productive, the rookie offensive

1358
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 5: lineman have been under siege and getting a lot of criticism.

1359
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 5: There's not a lot of those things to hang your

1360
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 5: hat on right now if you're a Patriots fan looking

1361
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 5: to the future. So that's I totally agree with, Like,

1362
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 5: if May were to get in there, there'll be a

1363
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 5: new energy of right even, we're gonna get our teeth

1364
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 5: kicked in, We're gonna do it with this kid, and

1365
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 5: we're gonna.

1366
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 4: Make the bar and away. The most enjoyable aspect of

1367
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 4: the season was the last four minutes of the game

1368
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 4: when he played Yeah, I'm not I'm not exaggerating.

1369
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: Wow, Week one was pretty enjoyable.

1370
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 3: Okay, well, but that to me is like it was

1371
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: it was a tractor pole week one.

1372
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: It was an most enjoyable tractor poll. Okay, that to

1373
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: me the whole I like winning.

1374
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 4: I like winning too, but I like winning with some

1375
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 4: you know, entertainment.

1376
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: Value to the points.

1377
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 4: I just don't feel like entertainment.

1378
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 5: No.

1379
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 2: But I realized the team that we had and like,

1380
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: if that's that's wasn't a surprise to me that that's

1381
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: how we had to win a game.

1382
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 4: I didn't say it was a surprise. It was boring. Okay,

1383
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 4: that's all all.

1384
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 3: Right, No, it's okay. I I just think that the

1385
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 3: biggest thing, that's my biggest argument for may is just

1386
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 3: that you're not building towards anything offensively with this group

1387
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: of people of personnel, like with Jacoby and and with

1388
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 3: the way that they're trying to run the offense with Jacoby,

1389
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 3: and like, there's no Mayo talked at the beginning of

1390
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 3: the year, and he was realistic. He said, I wish

1391
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 3: I could come up here and tell you that we're

1392
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 3: going to make the playoffs and be a contender, but

1393
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 3: we're not. And he said this year is all about

1394
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: laying a foundation like this to me right now feels

1395
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 3: like a loss season, Like we're heading towards the lost season.

1396
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 2: No, that's a good point, Evan, And and it kind

1397
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: of boiling my blood as I'm listening to you, because

1398
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: if this, if the offense that they're running right now

1399
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 2: with Jacoby Brissett is going to be different than the

1400
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 2: offense that they run with Drake May, then what the

1401
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: hell are we doing. You're not doing a service to anyone.

1402
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: You're not doing a service to the lineman, to the

1403
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: receivers who might be part of the future. If we're

1404
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: gonna now shift our offense to a Drake May offense

1405
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: when he comes in, then I got a real problem

1406
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: with that. And then if they're not, then why not?

1407
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: Why not?

1408
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 4: Right?

1409
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 3: Well, just yeah, you're gonna end the season with it

1410
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 3: with more questions and answers, right because we're not gonna

1411
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 3: know what Jalen Polk is, We're not gonna know what

1412
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 3: Javon Baker is, We're not gonna know what the rookie

1413
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: lineman are because the quarterback and the and the play

1414
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 3: calling stinks and it's limited, right, So, like you're just

1415
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 3: not going to learn anything about the team.

1416
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: I got to make a call I.

1417
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 3: Wish you could, And it's been driving me nuts since Thursday.

1418
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 3: It's just like there's no there's no direction with the

1419
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 3: offense right now. There are directionless on offense. And at

1420
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 3: least if Drake May was playing that by the end

1421
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 3: of the season going into twenty twenty five, where you're

1422
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 3: probably gonna have another high draft pick a boatload of

1423
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: cap space, Like, at least you know where your holes are. Like,

1424
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 3: what if Kidd and Wallace can play right tackle and

1425
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 3: then all you need is a left tackle and you

1426
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 3: don't need bolt tackles. What if Jalen Pulk is a

1427
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 3: good receiver and we just haven't seen it because they're

1428
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 3: not getting him the football, Like, you know, I don't

1429
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 3: have any answers right now of where this team is going, and.

1430
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, like maybe I'm just getting upset for

1431
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: no reason. But like, if you're not running plays now

1432
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: with Jacoby that Drake May's gonna run, what is Drake

1433
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: May looking at? How do you learn from watching if

1434
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 2: you're not even watching the type of plays I'm gonna run,

1435
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: you know, So even if Jacoby couldn't do them. At

1436
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: least Drake May could say, Okay, I can see where

1437
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 2: this play went wrong, you know, for whatever reason. But

1438
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: now and I might be getting upset for no reason.

1439
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm totally off here. Maybe this is the offense

1440
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: that they will run.

1441
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 5: Right, Well, you're making me upteff because I'm thinking it's

1442
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 5: twenty twenty again. I think it's the second time I

1443
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 5: brought that year out. But like, what did like what

1444
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 5: did you take from that year?

1445
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 12: Right?

1446
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 5: What did you take from Cam Newton? Like, you know,

1447
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 5: after last year, You're.

1448
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 3: Just that was your two lost lots in a row.

1449
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: You're literally two lost years in a row. And then

1450
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 3: if you go into twenty twenty five without having any

1451
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 3: of these answers, and that's he's a red shirt rookie

1452
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 3: at that point, so it's really that's his rookie season

1453
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 3: essentially too. So now we're really not talking about them

1454
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 3: really knowing until twenty twenty six.

1455
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 4: It's like I'm just looking at Fred's Paul, you know,

1456
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 4: the voice of reason, Paul's I never want to be

1457
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 4: confused with that. It's it's three games and some of

1458
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 4: these things, you know, was sort of extrapolating because they're concerns,

1459
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 4: you know me, I get concerned about a lot of

1460
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 4: stuff before this. This is one of the reasons why

1461
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 4: I wasn't on board with resigning everybody everybody gets a contract,

1462
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 4: because not everybody is going to be part of the future.

1463
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 4: And I know that for the most part, most of

1464
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 4: those guys they re signed are young enough to still

1465
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 4: be here when this team is theoretically ready to So

1466
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 4: I'm not telling you that they are all terrible moves.

1467
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 4: They weren't. I just this was part of my reasoning, Like,

1468
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 4: you signed some guys that are going to play, and

1469
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 4: do they prevent other guys that are younger and maybe

1470
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 4: have some potential. And I'm not giving you any specifics.

1471
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 4: I'm just sitting off the top of my head talking

1472
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 4: everything because.

1473
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: They didn't really re sign a lot of guys on offense,

1474
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 2: did they Hunter Henry and Henry and yeah, Bourne's not

1475
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: even playing now, Yeah, and he's not holding anyone back.

1476
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 4: I just said specifically offense right now. Well, I'm more

1477
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 4: worried about the defense because the offense is not.

1478
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 2: Fixable but under its current state, but now has to

1479
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: do with the offense.

1480
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 4: The offense to me, is all about Drake May, right,

1481
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 4: so that like, I don't really care that the offense

1482
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 4: doesn't look good with Jacoby Brissett playing, like I mean,

1483
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, not caring as what you mean.

1484
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 4: This is all kind of irrelevant for the big pitcher

1485
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 4: is defense.

1486
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 3: Though it's kind of it isn't irrelevant.

1487
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: But what about like again, there's other guys on this

1488
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: offense besides Drake May and they have to be getting

1489
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 2: ready for the future as well.

1490
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 3: It's not irrelevant. Like if Jalen Polk has a lost

1491
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 3: rookie season, then.

1492
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 4: Don't but don't take it super literally.

1493
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 3: Okay, I hear what you're saying, but like it is

1494
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 3: to me, it's a big deal.

1495
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 4: Do you think Jalen Polk can play? Yeah, I think

1496
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 4: I do. I think he's Choe Myers. Yes, then you know,

1497
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 4: but I don't know. You see some potential there.

1498
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 3: But I don't know because no one's getting them the football,

1499
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 3: so I don't know. I don't know what he does

1500
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 3: at the catch point when he has to, you know,

1501
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 3: box somebody out. I don't know what he has does

1502
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 3: with the ball in his hands because he never has

1503
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 3: the ball in his hands. That's all I don't know.

1504
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 3: Like you know, if you could give me on the

1505
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:53,759
Speaker 3: offensive line, give me Wallace on Andrews, whichever left guard

1506
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: you want to pick from the young guys, and low

1507
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 3: at left tackle, because that way there, when Will Campbell

1508
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 3: gets drafted at left tackle, we still have four fists

1509
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 3: of the line in place for next year.

1510
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 2: Well that's that's a you know, you can't blame. That's

1511
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: a lot of injury, has a lot to do.

1512
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 4: Robinson played right guard every game, yes, all three right,

1513
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 4: So so it's been Jordan, Andrews, Robinson a when.

1514
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: But Michael Jordan only because of injury.

1515
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 4: But but all four of those guys, I think he's

1516
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 4: better than City.

1517
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 2: So but whatever, how do I don't know about that?

1518
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 4: But those four guys have played all three games, right, Yeah,

1519
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 4: you just had different left had a different left tackle.

1520
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 3: But two of those guys are not in the spots

1521
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: that I want them.

1522
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,799
Speaker 5: But when you I totally agree, like Jordan.

1523
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 3: Shouldn't when you should be playing guard, Jordan should be

1524
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 3: a backup and on when you should be playing guard.

1525
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 3: So like I can handle losing, what I can't handle

1526
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 3: is that is building towards nothingness, which is what's happening

1527
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 3: on the offensive side of the ball right now, they

1528
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 3: are not building any sort of momentum.

1529
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 4: I just think you took me super literally. I agree

1530
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 4: with all the points that you making, and we talk

1531
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 4: about a foundation. The foundation of what the offense to

1532
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 4: me is all about Drake May's development, and we might

1533
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 4: not be able to see any of that this year,

1534
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 4: and I'm accepting that.

1535
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 2: I hope that to take you.

1536
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 4: I know, you know what I mean.

1537
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,799
Speaker 2: I know you want to win. I know the ultimate

1538
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: goal is to win. But I hope in our situation

1539
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 2: the coaches aren't under undue pressure to win football games

1540
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 2: right now. Right now, the pressure should be to build

1541
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 2: this team for the future. That should be the pressure.

1542
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 4: But you can make the argument that to help the

1543
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 4: best way to help build for the future is to

1544
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 4: win games and win as many games you can and

1545
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 4: establish a you know, a positive culture.

1546
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 6: I know.

1547
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 2: But again, if the offense that they're running right now

1548
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: is not the offense that they'll be running when Drake, yeah,

1549
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 2: that's what I'm that's but.

1550
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 4: That's what that's what got my blood, that's what I know.

1551
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 4: That's what cuts you on the phone. But that's what

1552
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 4: people that were critical of the hire in the first

1553
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 4: place we're critical of. Does that offensive system best suit

1554
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 4: Drake May's skill set? Right?

1555
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 3: I think it can. And you know, they want to

1556
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 3: run a bulk of the offense from under center. We

1557
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 3: know that. I don't know right now if they trust

1558
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 3: Drake May to run it from under center because his

1559
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 3: footwork and stuff like that is raw. He never did it,

1560
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 3: never did it at North Carolina. I don't know the

1561
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 3: answers to that. All I know is is, you know,

1562
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 3: I watch you know, Washington last night, and I keep

1563
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 3: going back to them just because they're the most recent

1564
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 3: team I you know.

1565
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 2: Watched with them.

1566
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 4: It was a pretty impressive.

1567
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 3: But they're running you know, they're talking all over the

1568
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 3: broadcast about how Cliff Kingsbury told them in their production

1569
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 3: meeting that they're running a college offense. They are running

1570
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 3: the LSU offense for Jaden Daniels. And he's in the

1571
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 3: gun all the time, and he's out there and he yes,

1572
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 3: sometimes he has to run around and sometimes he takes

1573
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 3: some hits, and sometimes he's got to be in the

1574
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 3: option game, in the run game and take some hits.

1575
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 3: And it's getting he's getting progressively better. You know, he's

1576
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 3: getting better throwing to the middle of the field. He's

1577
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 3: getting better running and throwing on the move, and so

1578
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 3: he doesn't take as many hits like he's improving. And

1579
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 3: I just look at that and I'm like, even if

1580
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 3: Washington ends this year with five wins, you can come

1581
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 3: away from the season saying, well, we got our quarterback,

1582
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 3: and we know what he's good at, and we know

1583
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 3: how to build around him, and we're gonna keep stacking

1584
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 3: pieces around the quarterback and we're in good shape. The

1585
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 3: Patriots with Brissette right now are just a rudder less

1586
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: boat on offense because they're just not laying any sort

1587
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 3: of foundation of what they're going to be in the future.

1588
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 3: And at some point, you know, it's only week three,

1589
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 3: you know we're going into week four, but it goes fast,

1590
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 3: like at some point they have to pick a spot

1591
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 3: for Drake Made to play, because right now what they're

1592
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 3: doing on offense just isn't.

1593
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: A lot of people are saying, it's the Miami game

1594
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,839
Speaker 2: next week, home home game against Miami. Uh no, toua.

1595
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 4: You know, I don't really understand what Tua has to

1596
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 4: do with anything.

1597
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: Well, the score might stay low, so it'll be.

1598
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 4: But who cares what the score is do you think

1599
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 4: he's ready to play or not?

1600
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 2: You don't lose hope, you know, it's just like a

1601
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: manageable game. I don't get that he doesn't have to

1602
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 2: play from behind.

1603
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 5: Is out in front?

1604
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 3: Not to play from behind him is a big deal. Yeah,

1605
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 3: because the offensive line when you play from behind, that's

1606
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 3: a big part of why the pressure rate was more.

1607
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 2: Manageable game.

1608
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 3: It's a big deal. Yeah, I guess I agree.

1609
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 4: Put in the easiest situation we can possibly see, so

1610
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 4: that way we got a good read on what he is.

1611
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened, like so all right, let's

1612
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 4: let's play it out. Let's play it out. Okay, so

1613
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 4: they play him against Skylar Thompson or the worst quarterback

1614
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 4: in the history of the NFL bar none, Tim Boyle,

1615
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 4: and they win the game. Does he not play the

1616
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 4: next game when they play a good team? No, of

1617
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 4: course not so Like, so what are we doing?

1618
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 3: But at least he's just wait wait, wait, you're putting

1619
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 3: him into ben bench him again.

1620
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 2: What I'm saying against a tough team, if you.

1621
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 4: Think he's against Miami, if they think he's ready now

1622
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 4: playing Sunday in San Francisco, like.

1623
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't play him against San Francisco just simply just

1624
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 3: because it's a road game against a mad San Francisco

1625
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: team that's a lot better than you. So I wouldn't

1626
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 3: put feed him to the Wolves in San Francisco. But

1627
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 3: once he plays, he played like he's playing, I totally agree.

1628
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 3: Please unless unless he plays so poorly that you have

1629
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 3: to take him out. But that's no I want. Once

1630
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 3: he gets in, I want to play him.

1631
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 2: That's it, that Drake may Era begins. That's it, all right,

1632
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 2: eight five five pass five hundred is the ace ticket hotline.

1633
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 2: Good discussion. Let's go to Christian in Virginia. What's up Christian?

1634
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, that was going good. I gotta say, guys,

1635
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 7: I'm feeling a little defeated with this last game, and

1636
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 7: you know, watching the games on Monday, I I just

1637
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 7: want a real wide receive wide receiver. And you know,

1638
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 7: I was doing a little research before I called in,

1639
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 7: and one thing I noticed, you know, living in Virginia,

1640
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 7: everyone's got scary terry uniforms. And you know, he went

1641
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 7: crazy last night. He's a third pick. He's a third

1642
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 7: round draft pick, and I think we can maybe it's

1643
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 7: hopfbal thinking, but I just wish we could get a

1644
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 7: guy like that. My question for you guys is, are

1645
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 7: you guys seeing this is like kind of different, but

1646
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 7: are you seeing any improvement towards our NFL PA score,

1647
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 7: because you know, we got F minus last year and

1648
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 7: I'm wondering if ownership is doing anything to help that

1649
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 7: to get people coming in next offseason.

1650
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good, good question, Christian. I think the

1651
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 2: answer is yes. They have done a lot of things

1652
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: with like player families and that type of stuff. I

1653
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 2: know there are plans to build a whole new football

1654
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: facility a couple of years down the road. That's not

1655
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 2: helping them this year, but it is something that they

1656
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 2: can sell for the future to an incoming free agent.

1657
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, they took that seriously and I think they're

1658
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 2: making a lot of improvements.

1659
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 4: Like that said, only the players can answer it, right.

1660
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there's visible things that.

1661
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 4: I'm saying they could do them, and the players might

1662
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 4: think that they're unbelievably good or useless. You spent money,

1663
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 4: but that's not what we needed. That's not helping us.

1664
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 3: I would also just say, like not to defend any

1665
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 3: thing with the organization, but the player. The free agents

1666
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 3: are not not signing here because of the player nflpah

1667
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 3: of it. Okay, Like, if you give the players the

1668
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 3: guaranteed money that they want in free agency, they'll come here,

1669
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 3: regardless of if they're taking care of their kids on

1670
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 3: game they or not.

1671
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 2: No, I know, but when everything's even sometimes income tax,

1672
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 2: whether dome or not, facilities.

1673
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 3: I would say factor income tax and location are the

1674
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 3: only other things that are big factors and free agent

1675
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 3: decisions like and it just I think that story got overblown.

1676
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 3: Is only reason why I say.

1677
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 4: I think if you extrapolate from that survey what Evan's

1678
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 4: talking about personnel decisions, I agree that's overblown. I don't

1679
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 4: think that that's overblown in terms of how players feel

1680
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 4: about their their facilities. Listen, the perfect example of evans

1681
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 4: point is Kansas City was behind the Patriots in that

1682
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 4: it doesn't seem to be hurting their ability to acquire

1683
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 4: players right will win games. So like it has nothing

1684
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 4: to do with acquiring talents, is my point. It might

1685
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 4: have something to do with keeping your talent. Maybe someone

1686
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 4: who's appending free agent might say, well, I have X

1687
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 4: to stay here and X to go somewhere else, somewhere

1688
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 4: else ranked a lot higher in those I'm gonna.

1689
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 3: Go yeah to the Scary Terry point. I was thinking

1690
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 3: about this last night. So he's a third round pick,

1691
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 3: and he's obviously an awesome player. He was a third

1692
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 3: round pick. He went to Ohio State. He's buried on

1693
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 3: the depth chart at Ohio State and didn't get a

1694
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 3: lot of opportunities in college. This is there are I

1695
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,759
Speaker 3: believe they'll be less scary terries because the transfer portal

1696
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 3: is now going to allow Terry McLaurin.

1697
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 2: You don't have to stay on the bench, you don't have.

1698
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 3: To stay at Ohio State anymore. So players like Terry

1699
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 3: McLaurin are now transferring out of Ohio State point and

1700
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,839
Speaker 3: going play other places. And now all of a sudden,

1701
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 3: that player is popping in another school.

1702
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 2: But that's good for the NFL, I think. So you

1703
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 2: got a better look at place.

1704
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 4: You know, who was really high on Scary Terry coming

1705
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 4: out in that draft? That eric no think about someone

1706
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 4: who talks incessantly about wide receivers. Eldrick Eldrick Eldred.

1707
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 3: Loved I remember that one Gunner tape was a big

1708
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 3: deal because you know, released, getting off the line of

1709
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 3: scrimmage and releasing and stuff like that's.

1710
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 4: Translatable stunt builded and get him there.

1711
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1712
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a really good gunner.

1713
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: All right.

1714
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 5: Brian Thomas looked pretty good to me last night, just

1715
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 5: the ways move.

1716
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 4: He was a good prospect.

1717
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 5: L su right, Brian Thomas the other he was the

1718
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 5: other guy with you, a boy who.

1719
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 2: Was just a machine.

1720
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 5: It's the same thing, though, I said, though, like watching

1721
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 5: him last night, I'm like, this doesn't look like the

1722
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 5: guy I remember watching last spring. Like it until I

1723
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 5: see them on a field in an NFL game, I

1724
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 5: don't feel like you truly because he looks like I

1725
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 5: know he was.

1726
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 4: Fast, but I don't just see like the touchdown he

1727
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 4: caught in Week one where he's on the back line

1728
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 4: of the end zone and just so effortlessly like toe

1729
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 4: taps catches it smooth, like he's done it all his life,

1730
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 4: which I'm sure he has.

1731
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, TPX Hotline Patty's inn Aga, Hey Patty, he got it.

1732
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 6: I'm in much better shit than I was on Thursday

1733
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 6: night calling.

1734
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't sound good?

1735
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:40,560
Speaker 4: Oh did you.

1736
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 5: Did a wellness check on?

1737
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 6: I disagree with you on one thing too, Tim Boyle

1738
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 6: is not the worst quarterback in the history of the league.

1739
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 6: We had the worst quarterback. He wore number twelve and

1740
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 6: his name was Jeff Carlton back in ninety two. I

1741
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 6: don't know if you remember it, but he was terrible.

1742
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 4: I bet you Jeff Carlson was a better college quarterback

1743
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 4: than Tim Boyle was.

1744
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, probably, but it's awesome. Atics a couple of questions.

1745
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 6: The first one really easy one. Do you think the

1746
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 6: offense looks a little bit better when Kendrick Boren is healthy?

1747
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 6: Because at least Darie'll have with him and to Mario

1748
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 6: a couple guys that can actually separate from one on

1749
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 6: one coverage. And do you think there's anybody at a

1750
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 6: left tackle scrap heap that we can get on this team?

1751
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 6: So we're not playing guys out of position Like I

1752
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 6: I'm willing to live with for Darian Low for the

1753
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 6: rest of the season. Left tackles the healthy. But I was, like,

1754
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 6: like Evan said, like like Bartha said, I mean, Kayden

1755
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 6: Lawless is to the right tackle. Put him at right

1756
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 6: tackle if he can grow, and just be done with that.

1757
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 6: And hopefully, you know, we suck bad enough that we

1758
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 6: can get one of these top two tackles Banks or

1759
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 6: for the kids. I can't I blanket on the kid

1760
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 6: from Meloss's name, but that's.

1761
01:20:53,080 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 4: The left tackle scrap heap. Would you guys be opposed

1762
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 4: to one of those at this point? No, like Donovan Smith.

1763
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 3: I'm surprised they haven't called Donovan Smith and I I

1764
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 3: wonder if they have. And he was like, why will

1765
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 3: Fanks go play there? Like if he gets called by

1766
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 3: Kansas City because they you know, they're trying out Smu

1767
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 3: Matia and Wanya Morris and it hasn't been great with

1768
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 3: either one of those guys. Maybe they call back, you know,

1769
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 3: around Thanksgiving and or like, why don't you come play

1770
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 3: the end of the year with us? Then maybe he would,

1771
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 3: but that I look at those guys Humphries Leno, you know, like,

1772
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 3: why would they come play for four or five win

1773
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 3: football team unless the Patriots.

1774
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,879
Speaker 2: Give them money overpay You're gonna have to pay.

1775
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 3: Which I don't think makes sense for either side.

1776
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 5: We've been through all those guys. Thanks that's for Born.

1777
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 5: I mean, I I have hopes he'll help. You know,

1778
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 5: he'll help, but it's just hard to know what he's

1779
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 5: gonna bring because they can't really execute in the passing

1780
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 5: game yet. I mean last game.

1781
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 3: Having him in there over over Osborne and Thornton is

1782
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 3: I think will be a pretty big upgrade.

1783
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 2: Todd's in North Carolina.

1784
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,879
Speaker 6: Hey Todd, Hey, guys, just trying to find some positives

1785
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 6: that have you seen anything from Thornton or anybody else

1786
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 6: that you on the old sensive side that you saw

1787
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 6: during the preseason that's kind of like, Hey, they're doing

1788
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 6: something in the last three games, maybe Polk or somebody.

1789
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 7: I think the answer of there, who was the first guy?

1790
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 4: He said, Taekwan, I think no, I haven't seen any

1791
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 4: I haven't seen anything offensively other than vermondre Stevenson, Antonio

1792
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 4: Gibson breaking tackles.

1793
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1794
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, Polk's had some moments on film where he's gotten open,

1795
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 3: but a lot of those are backside digs and things

1796
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 3: that he's so far away from the ball that it's

1797
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 3: it's tough to tell that if he was like the

1798
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 3: first read in the progression, if you'd be as open

1799
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 3: as he really was, you know, in those types.

1800
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 2: I know we haven't had a lot of you know, catches,

1801
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 2: but I haven't seen a lot of drops, you know,

1802
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 2: guys dropping the ball.

1803
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 3: That's you know, who's that'd be targeting.

1804
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 5: Seventeen foul balls. Paul might be mad at me for

1805
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 5: this one and that please don't get out in.

1806
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 4: Paul, But I will say I make no promise.

1807
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 5: I will say that that that has some reps that

1808
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 5: look pretty good from time to time.

1809
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, ready, ready, I mean he's an elite pass rusher

1810
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 4: according to what we do guys.

1811
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 5: Like, because we're joking around, like about metrics, like you

1812
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 5: know with PF's top rated player, I'm like, I don't

1813
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 5: know about that, but but I thought he has you know,

1814
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 5: he's athletic guy, like, I mean, he can move a

1815
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 5: little bit. It's just when there aren't other guys making

1816
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 5: places to to competent that he can complimentarily fill in with,

1817
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 5: he's kind of lost in those plays. And then he

1818
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 5: has plays where he you know, loses contain and.

1819
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 3: Can we have Yeah, we might need to have a

1820
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 3: conversation about but it's a developing take. I don't know

1821
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 3: if I'm ready for Williams and.

1822
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 4: Fellow william I think I know what you're thinking.

1823
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 7: Hey, all right, okay, question football, Can you just explain.

1824
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 6: Me why is this well?

1825
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 4: How long is this we built on a take. You know,

1826
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 4: we've we've been at this for a while.

1827
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 7: Mit then on players or whatever, and and can't bring

1828
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 7: talent in When I how long do you think it's

1829
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 7: going to take bom.

1830
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 4: I think it's an impossible question to answer without knowing

1831
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 4: about Drake May. Like, if Drake May is your next

1832
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 4: franchise quarterback, I'm not telling you he's the next top

1833
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 4: I'm saying he's a good player. You can be good

1834
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 4: next year and really good in two years.

1835
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 2: Yep.

1836
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 4: It can happen that quickly.

1837
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

1838
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 4: Like they obviously have some holes to fill. But let's

1839
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 4: just say you come out of this rookie year thinking, okay,

1840
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 4: not a lot went right, but we got something with

1841
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 4: this quarterback. We got to shore up left tackle, We

1842
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 4: got to find a way to maybe get an alpha

1843
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 4: at wide receiver. Maybe we get some depth a corner.

1844
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 4: Gonna have to address the defensive line. Maybe you're not

1845
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 4: gonna be able to do all of that much like

1846
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 4: we said this year, well you had to get a quarterback.

1847
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 4: You can't get everything. Maybe you can get Will Campbell,

1848
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 4: you know, a good young cornerback to give you some

1849
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 4: depth at corner, and then maybe to be a defensive

1850
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 4: lineman and then in two years, whatever you didn't fill

1851
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 4: that year, you can fill the next year. You should

1852
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 4: be a playoffer.

1853
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 2: And it's you know, you're not going to hit on

1854
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: every one of your draft picks, but we're only talking

1855
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 2: about hitting on like, you know, thirty percent of them

1856
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 2: each year.

1857
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 4: But I'm just talking about like, if you draft Will

1858
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 4: Campbell in the first round, you're gonna hit on him. No, no, no, yeah,

1859
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 4: Like did you just say you have to hit on

1860
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:38,759
Speaker 4: him or you're gonna.

1861
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: H you will hit if you if you draft a

1862
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 2: blue chipper like that, you'll hit.

1863
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 4: On him if he works. Yeah, there's a lot of

1864
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 4: blue chippers that get drafted in the top ten that

1865
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 4: don't hit. He will, like if he ends up being

1866
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 4: if he ends up being like the left tackle of

1867
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 4: the future and you pencil him in for ten years

1868
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 4: as your left tackle, that's huge. Yeah, that's huge.

1869
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's a building block.

1870
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 3: There's a really you know, February of the Combine.

1871
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 5: Deuce, I'm excited.

1872
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 2: Thanks, well, you know, I'm.

1873
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 3: Gonna be up there with the tape measure for the

1874
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 3: arm length when he goes up to the podium. It's

1875
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 3: a big deal offensive line.

1876
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 4: Saturday, though, Jim Mage said thirty two and seven eighths,

1877
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 4: which I can live with because they'll stretch him out.

1878
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 11: You know, he'll.

1879
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 3: He'll get to thirty three if to get him there.

1880
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 3: But I've heard that it actually is closer to thirty

1881
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 3: two flat and that hurts. That's guard, that's hard.

1882
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 2: Terry Chad writes in from Atlanta. I'm not gonna lie

1883
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 2: and say I wouldn't be excited to see more Drake

1884
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 2: May this season. However, I would be lying if I

1885
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 2: said I thought he'd make enough of a difference to

1886
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 2: put him in prematurely. And it's not so much a

1887
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 2: fear of him getting injured, but rather me respecting what

1888
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 2: Tom Brady said about rookie quarterbacks needing time to learn

1889
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 2: and build confidence. So when times like this, I'll always

1890
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 2: defer to the exerts. And if the greatest to ever

1891
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: do it says sitting rookie quarterbacks is what's best, then

1892
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 2: maybe we should listen.

1893
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 3: Because he's a talent evaluator.

1894
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 4: Now, I mean that's a fair argument, but like the

1895
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 4: second best quarterback who's ever done it, says the opposite.

1896
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 4: So who do you believe do you just go by

1897
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 4: Brady because he's better than Manning.

1898
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and why can't you learn by playing?

1899
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean I believe that Tom Brady feels for

1900
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 4: him watching and learning was the best way to go

1901
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 4: for him.

1902
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1903
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 4: I just don't know how you can just make a

1904
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 4: blanket statement that's perfect for everybody, especially when some guys

1905
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 4: can't learn that way.

1906
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 5: His experience was coming in and you had an established

1907
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 5: offense with an established quarterback that he had to learn.

1908
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 5: And now you have Jaden Daniels who they're kind of

1909
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 5: tailoring the offense just to him, which you had. Had

1910
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 5: someone done that for Tom, maybe it wouldn't have been

1911
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 5: as good as it was, but I have to imagine that.

1912
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 4: Would have worked for him.

1913
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 3: I just when you go down these rabbit holes of

1914
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 3: what's the best path sitting playing, there's it's so anecdotal,

1915
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 3: and every single situation such is different. And for every

1916
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning, there's a Jordan Love and for every Aaron Rodgers,

1917
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 3: you know, there's there's another guy and it's just Joe Burrow, right,

1918
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Sure we could we could just go There's

1919
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 3: no right way to do it. So that's what makes

1920
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 3: it even more confusing is because there is if it

1921
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 3: was established that sitting was the way to go, and

1922
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 3: every single guy that sat and worked out better for

1923
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 3: that player, then that would be one team.

1924
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 4: Every team like we make fun of, especially me, I'm

1925
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 4: as snarky. We make fun of all of these guys,

1926
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 4: all with all the coaches, all the these dumb teams.

1927
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 4: But do you think every single team is just stupid

1928
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 4: and they just say it's the exact wrong thing to

1929
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 4: do playing a young quarterback too soon, but we're gonna

1930
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,759
Speaker 4: do it anyway. Or do you think that they think

1931
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 4: their guy is ready? Well, I wonder, and sometimes they're

1932
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 4: right and sometimes they're wrong.

1933
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 2: Do you think some of those cases the owner puts

1934
01:28:59,000 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 2: pressure on them.

1935
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. But again there's enough guy like take

1936
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 4: Everybody likes to talk about twenty one when there was

1937
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 4: four five quarterbacks taken in the first round, and right

1938
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 4: now you'd say they were zero for five because Trevor

1939
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 4: Lawrence just looks like a mess, right right, So at

1940
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 4: best you're going to say they're one for five. But

1941
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 4: no one ever talks about the year before when three

1942
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 4: guys got taken in the top six and all by

1943
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 4: terrible teams. They all played really quickly and they were

1944
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:32,600
Speaker 4: all good. Yeah right. I don't know what year was

1945
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 4: that that borough was. It was at nineteen or twenty.

1946
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 4: It was twenty. It was the year before.

1947
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 3: So Borrow and.

1948
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 4: In Herbert all to bad teams and all are pretty good.

1949
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 4: I'm not telling you they're all all pros, right, but

1950
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 4: they're all pretty good.

1951
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: All of them didn't get hurt by playing early, right.

1952
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 4: Like mentally right, you know, obviously Borrow towards ACL but

1953
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 4: literally to us, you know, like Tua didn't get concussions

1954
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 4: because he played too soon, right, right, which, by the way,

1955
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 4: I saw some concussions over the weekend. Should all those

1956
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 4: guys retire, you know, for the for the for the

1957
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 4: good of the game, the NFL should step in. What

1958
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 4: a rebelievable cheap shot ruined my whole fantasy team.

1959
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,759
Speaker 2: Now he got suspense that shot?

1960
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 4: Did he? Who's got a letter?

1961
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 5: He gets sent to the principal's office there.

1962
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, Derwin James, I guess as a repeat.

1963
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 2: You, Robin Bellingham, A lot of people are in the

1964
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 2: camp of sitting may so he learns before going in.

1965
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 2: But if the current starting quarterback is unable to make

1966
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 2: quick decisions and is not getting the team into advantageous plays.

1967
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 2: Then is there really any benefit to learning behind a

1968
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 2: season vet? What is Jacoby doing right now that is

1969
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 2: guiding May's development. I appreciate that Jacoby is behind a

1970
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 2: bad line, but good quarterbacks can usually overcome a team's

1971
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 2: weaknesses at least somewhat and make plays.

1972
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, that's the drum I'm beating. Like, look,

1973
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 3: he was brought in here to not just mentor Drake May.

1974
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 3: He was also supposed to be a game manager, and

1975
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 3: I'm not expecting him to be anything more than that.

1976
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 3: But outside of not turning the ball over, he hasn't

1977
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 3: done anything else to make that is I would put

1978
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,520
Speaker 3: in the game manager category. You know, he reading defenses

1979
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 3: and reading them quickly, hitting the layups like not missing

1980
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 3: Austin Hooper. Oh, and he's wide open down the field,

1981
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 3: you know, getting the team in and out of bad

1982
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 3: plays like that. Those are elements of game managing too,

1983
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 3: that go beyond just Yes, he hasn't turned the ball over,

1984
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 3: but he's not doing any of the other things either,

1985
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 3: and so it just to me it's just like people

1986
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 3: that say, well, he hasn't done anything to lost the job.

1987
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:44,480
Speaker 3: I disagree. I don't think he's played well and I

1988
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 3: he's prove for one hundred yards last week.

1989
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know.

1990
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 3: At what point are we gonna sit here and say

1991
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 3: he's literally just out there to be a sacrificial lit

1992
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 3: and and is that fair to him? Oh, in the

1993
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 3: rest of the team.

1994
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would. I would just add, like, if you're

1995
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 4: in the camp of May needs to sit and learn, like,

1996
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 4: that's fine, and I sort of agree with it. I'm

1997
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 4: not up in arms that May is not playing. I

1998
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 4: haven't been from the start, But I also don't think

1999
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 4: that the only way to learn is by watching good

2000
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 4: quarterback play. Like, so everything that Evan just said about

2001
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 4: Prissette is probably accurate. He hasn't been great, but that

2002
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that May can't learn from it. That doesn't

2003
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 4: mean they're not going to the meetings in saying, Jacoby,

2004
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 4: you got to reset the protection here so this runaway

2005
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 4: guy is accounted for, or Jacoby, here's your drop, here's

2006
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 4: your first read, it's there, and you're late with the ball.

2007
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 4: That Like, you don't have to go out there and

2008
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 4: watch a guy play at a high level to learn, Like,

2009
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 4: you learn by what you know. Getting in the meeting room,

2010
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 4: getting in the film room, getting on the practice field.

2011
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 4: There's a lot of different ways to learn when you're

2012
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 4: not playing. It's not just by watching the guy play

2013
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 4: in front of you at a high level. That's not

2014
01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 4: the only way to learn.

2015
01:32:59,160 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 2: Now.

2016
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 5: I think the thing that's intriguing for me that, like

2017
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 5: a lot of the fans might not even realize, it's

2018
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 5: just how willing Drake May was to pull the trigger

2019
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 5: on deep passes or some of these throws that you're

2020
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 5: seeing Jacoby miss that, Like, those are the things that

2021
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 5: kill me. It's the layups. Like it's fine that he's

2022
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 5: not going to make the killer mistakes, but you can't

2023
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 5: miss the layups, like you can't miss the easy stuff.

2024
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 4: That's a separate thing.

2025
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 5: I'm probably going into a separate I just think said

2026
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 5: that the intrigue with May is that he's going to

2027
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 5: make plays that Jacobe's missing right now too, like and

2028
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 5: that's something that even as a rookie.

2029
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 4: But is he gonna do? Is he ready to do that?

2030
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 4: And I think that's what the coaches are asking, can

2031
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 4: he do that? I think we're not even having a

2032
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 4: conversation about the skill set that that may can make

2033
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 4: plays that Brissett can't. Is he ready to do that?

2034
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 4: Is he ready to take advantage of his skill set?

2035
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 3: I just I don't know. I don't have all the information.

2036
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 3: I just I can't imagine that he's so far away

2037
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:58,600
Speaker 3: from that being a possibility, especially if they curtail the

2038
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 3: offense to to the his strengths and call plays that

2039
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 3: he's comfortable with running, Like when they get him in

2040
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 3: the game at the end of the fourth quarter the

2041
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 3: other night. It wasn't perfect. He had a lot of

2042
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 3: mistakes in that and that in that drive, honestly, but

2043
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,799
Speaker 3: you still see the flashes in his ability to make plays.

2044
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 4: He's gifted, there's no question, and it just it will

2045
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 4: get better, like he will.

2046
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 3: He will get better as you know, the course of

2047
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 3: the season and as he continues to play at some

2048
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 3: of the little things that he's still missing. And I

2049
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 3: just I am worried that they're so apprehensive about playing

2050
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 3: him because I don't necessarily think it's about him. I

2051
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 3: think it's about them and the situation.

2052
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 5: Do you think do you think it's a reasonable to

2053
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 5: say that the coaching staff this year should be creating

2054
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,759
Speaker 5: and tailoring the offense to Drake May behind the scenes

2055
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 5: to go forward with, you know, like that should be.

2056
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 4: What's very angry.

2057
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, well but I'm saying, yeah, I understand what friend's

2058
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 5: mad that they're just running that play. But if you're

2059
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 5: actively saying, like, look, we have to go off the offense,

2060
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 5: we know. But really the goal that we want behind

2061
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,640
Speaker 5: the scenes is we're going to create an offense for

2062
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 5: you, you know, and it's gonna take some time. We've got

2063
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 5: to get to know You've got to get to know

2064
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 5: some of our parts. We understand our players on great

2065
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 5: fits for the scheme that we know right now. But

2066
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 5: really I think that's and that probably gets back to

2067
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 5: wanting a creative offensive coordinator who could come in here

2068
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 5: and really build something from the scratch for Drake so

2069
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 5: that it starts to come to fruition. At the end

2070
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 5: of the year. You've got a new offense. You're not

2071
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 5: just gonna be running Drake May out there next year

2072
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 5: in this offense trying to make him do the same

2073
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 5: thing Jacoby would be doing. I just I wonder how

2074
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 5: much they're doing that beyond this.

2075
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 3: It's just really tough because Jacoby, comparatively speaking, is so

2076
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 3: much so physically limited compared to Drake that if Drake

2077
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 3: May is gonna run a shotgun offense, you look at

2078
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:43,839
Speaker 3: the teams across the league that run that kind of offense.

2079
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 3: They all have playmaking quarterbacks, so they all have these

2080
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 3: guys that have all these physical tools to work with.

2081
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 3: You can't put Jacoby Brissett in an eighty five percent shotgun, even.

2082
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,759
Speaker 2: If they're doing what Deuce is saying behind the scenes

2083
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 2: building this offense for Drake, it can only be on

2084
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 2: paper at this point. On practice, you're practicing to win

2085
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 2: a game that week with your offense, right, It's not

2086
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 2: like you can have a second Okay, now we're gonna

2087
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 2: now we're going to practice the offense of the future.

2088
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 2: You know that's not happening unless Drake May's in the game.

2089
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 3: Right, because they're trying to run an offense that they

2090
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 3: believe is the best chance to win Sunday, right, right,

2091
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 3: But that is because Jacoby Present can't play the other way, right,

2092
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 3: So if you're gonna put him in the gun and

2093
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 3: you're gonna spread the field and just say make something happen, Jacoby,

2094
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 3: then it's gonna look terrible. So you know you have

2095
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 3: to That's the biggest problem.

2096
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,839
Speaker 2: It's all crazy right now, Yes.

2097
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 4: You really you did this. You did this.

2098
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 3: I've been doing this to myself for the past.

2099
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 2: Like no, but like it gets back to that point

2100
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 2: of you know, the quarterbacks that did sit you know,

2101
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 2: you take my Homes for example, he sat behind Alex

2102
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 2: Smith for you know, fourteen games or fifteen games, but

2103
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 2: Andy Reid was still running his own offense. It's just

2104
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 2: that when Mahomes went in, it was that offense times

2105
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 2: ten because he could extend plays and do things and

2106
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 2: sideways and you know, between his legs that Alex Smith

2107
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 2: couldn't do. But it was still Andy Reid's offense, you know,

2108
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 2: and he didn't have to like and I do it

2109
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 2: in a new offense for Patrick Mahomes.

2110
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 4: And I do think as long as Alex van Pelt

2111
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 4: stays here, that's what Drake May is going to be

2112
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 4: asked to do. Yeah, now it's gonna look different, and

2113
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 4: I think I think Evan brought up the point earlier,

2114
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 4: like he'll be in the gun a little bit more

2115
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, but it's going to be the

2116
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 4: same offense. They're not just going to run a whole

2117
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 4: different offense.

2118
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 2: No, but they'll run different plays within that offense. For it, they'll.

2119
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 4: Probably be looking to push the ball downfield a little

2120
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 4: bit more often, but they're going to ask him to

2121
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 4: sort of spread out and make some plays off platform

2122
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 4: that they wouldn't ask per set. But it's going to

2123
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 4: be the same principles.

2124
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wonder just when to take them at

2125
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 3: face value. And Jerry comes out and he says, we're

2126
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 3: sticking with Jakobe because he gives us the best chance

2127
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,560
Speaker 3: to win. I'm just not one hundred percent sold that

2128
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 3: that's the truth. Because if you run this offense with

2129
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 3: Jacobe and you run so much of these delay under

2130
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 3: centered you know, bootlegs, play actions, you know, seven step drops,

2131
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 3: like all this kind of you're doing this behind the

2132
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 3: worst pass protecting offensive line in football.

2133
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 4: So if you put.

2134
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 3: Drake in there and you spread the field and it's

2135
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 3: quick game, it's r PO, it's it's all these types

2136
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 3: of things that get the ball out of the quarterback's

2137
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 3: hand quickly by design, then your offensive line now all

2138
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 3: of a sudden, has helped out.

2139
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 2: But start with what he said, we're playing the quarterback

2140
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 2: who gives us the best chance to win. Should that

2141
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 2: be the determining factor at this point or should it

2142
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 2: be we're playing the quarterback of the future to get

2143
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 2: them ready?

2144
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 4: I would say the Reds, I would say the second thing.

2145
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 4: But even still, no matter which way you look at it,

2146
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 4: for me, I still think Drake is the answer because.

2147
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,759
Speaker 2: Well, he may not be the answer to win on Sunday.

2148
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 3: Sun He might not be because I can't say that.

2149
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 2: I get that, But should that be the motivating factor

2150
01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 2: at this point?

2151
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 3: No? But even if it, if if I'm right, then

2152
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 3: what difference does it make? Because I know both ways

2153
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 3: are right. It just I don't know how you expect

2154
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 3: this personnel, Like we talked all summer long, like I

2155
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,600
Speaker 3: don't really know if they have the offensive line to

2156
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 3: run outside zone, Like I don't really know if they

2157
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 3: have the athletes to run this type of offense. And

2158
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 3: they've struggled with it, and they've struggled with the bootlegs

2159
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 3: and they if you can't play action off of out

2160
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 3: the outside zone game, then what's the point of running

2161
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 3: outside zone?

2162
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 4: So did they do that? You know when you watch

2163
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 4: the film, did they run outside zone against the Jets

2164
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 4: Thursday night? Like a good amount of this, Yeah, I

2165
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 4: mean they ran like six times. But no, I know

2166
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 4: they didn't have a lot of running plays in general.

2167
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 4: The reason the reason I ask is it's another one

2168
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 4: of those, you know, sort of approach questions. Mike and

2169
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 4: I on the pregame show, we talked to Rich Simini,

2170
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 4: you remember, and Rich talked about where you can really

2171
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 4: hurt the Jets is on the edges. You can get

2172
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 4: you can get the edge on them in the running game.

2173
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 4: Running at them isn't necessarily the way to go, but

2174
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 4: you can get them on the perimeter. And then they

2175
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 4: came out and they wanted to throw a little bit early,

2176
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 4: and you know, I guess the one running play that

2177
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 4: that I remembered that was sort of to the edges

2178
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 4: was the play that Remandre ended up face masking the

2179
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 4: guy maybe hurting himself on the in the process. But

2180
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 4: that was a positive That was like an eighteen yard run. Yeah,

2181
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 4: so that was a positive play. And I didn't really

2182
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 4: see I didn't really think they went to that much.

2183
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2184
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 3: I just think the biggest thing with this scheme is

2185
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 3: that everything in the run game is designed to play

2186
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 3: action off the run game. So if you're not able

2187
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 3: to play action successfully and you're not building play action

2188
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 3: off of the run game, then it really the run

2189
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,680
Speaker 3: game becomes Nolan void at that point. Yeah, Like the

2190
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 3: whole goal is to is to create explosives off the

2191
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 3: pass game. So if you're not sequencing it together and

2192
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 3: it's not marrying up and you're not doing that sort

2193
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 3: of thing, then then the whole system is just kind

2194
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 3: of coming down like it. So it just you're running

2195
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 3: it to do what they did in the first couple

2196
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 3: of weeks, which is to keep the score down in

2197
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 3: time of possession and play that kind of football, but

2198
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:06,639
Speaker 3: you're not necessarily doing it to be a productive offense.

2199
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 3: So I just if you can't play action off this

2200
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 3: run game, then there's no point of trying to install

2201
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 3: this outside zone system.

2202
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 2: Let's see, Dan in Michigan from Virginia says fred, I

2203
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 2: got your silver lining right here. The Jets had a

2204
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 2: great game, which will only add to the anticipation their

2205
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 2: fans are feeling for the season. That will make it

2206
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 2: all the more sweeter when the Jets jet it up

2207
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 2: again and crash and burn.

2208
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 4: That's a good point, right, and it gets you know,

2209
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 4: and I know Dan's being snarky, but it gets to

2210
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:43,040
Speaker 4: the point where you know, we talked about the Jets

2211
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 4: and heading into this. You know, we all said, I think,

2212
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 4: how did you put it, Fred? Like, if Aaron Rodgers

2213
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 4: stays healthy, that's that's going to be a team that

2214
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 4: has a lot going for it. And I think that

2215
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 4: everybody around here refused to like, no one said, you know,

2216
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 4: they're going to match up and beat the Jets. It

2217
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 4: was the Jets are the Jets?

2218
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 2: Right?

2219
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2220
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 4: Right, Like that's what you don't scro That's what you're

2221
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,800
Speaker 4: pinning your hopes on. With Jets doing Jets things and

2222
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers getting hurt. Those are the two factors that

2223
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 4: like no one says, like, no, they're not that good. No,

2224
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 4: because they're really good on both sides of the ball.

2225
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:17,639
Speaker 4: They have good personnel, yep.

2226
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 2: Ben and Brooklyn. Given the unsportsman like penalties, is there

2227
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 2: any chance Mayo was seeking an identity and coach them

2228
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 2: to be tough but they took it too far. Now

2229
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 2: that Jamar Chase seems to be settling in, what are

2230
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 2: what other high talent disgruntled players should we be keeping

2231
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 2: an eye on. I know quality alignemen don't get moved

2232
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 2: during the season, but I love to see them make

2233
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 2: a deal for the future another pass rusher. Why to

2234
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 2: see your cornerback would be great though, I don't know

2235
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 2: what chips we have to deal other than picks. I

2236
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 2: just like to take advantage of our cap space. I

2237
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 2: think that's gonna happen next year.

2238
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not.

2239
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 3: Sure about day on sportsman like penalties.

2240
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 4: I don't think that was coach. They were both bad penalties.

2241
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 4: But do you guys think Jamar Chase is a legitimate option.

2242
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 2: No, he's saying now that he's settling and he's off

2243
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 2: the table.

2244
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:11,679
Speaker 3: He was never on the table.

2245
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, what other disgruntled guys do we have

2246
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 4: now we're I don't think I don't think that that

2247
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:19,639
Speaker 4: was ever like.

2248
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 2: Well, I get what he's saying.

2249
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 4: You know, you know, is anybody holding out that's not

2250
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 4: actually playing, because those are the guys that you go after.

2251
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 4: Higgins looked pretty good last night.

2252
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just I'm not saying he didn't.

2253
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:36,720
Speaker 2: You know, the trade deadline, you're going to give up

2254
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 2: a lot of capital to get a really good player.

2255
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 3: It's not gonna I almost wonder if think of the

2256
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,120
Speaker 3: opposite direction of the trade deadline, that's what I would sellers.

2257
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 5: Sellers yeah, yeah, Jonathan Jones.

2258
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 4: That's sad.

2259
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 3: But just like like in the last year, like he's

2260
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 3: sign a one year deal, like.

2261
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 5: Wait for the end, he's actually offensive player, Like what.

2262
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,040
Speaker 3: But e j last you know, one year deal keeps

2263
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 3: saying last year one year deal contender needs a pass rusher.

2264
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:09,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that that's out of the realm.

2265
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:12,640
Speaker 3: I mean I almost rated him last year, so you know,

2266
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 3: I would.

2267
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:15,599
Speaker 4: Think about him. I would, you know, I would think

2268
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 4: about Jonathan Jones. I kind of like Jonathan Jones so

2269
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 4: much as a person, as a leader, I think that

2270
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 4: that would be tough to say we're gonna let that

2271
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 4: dud go. But yeah, I mean some of those decisions

2272
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 4: I think are going to be tough for Elliott Wolf.

2273
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 4: But I think he probably needs to make one or

2274
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:36,240
Speaker 4: two like that and see if you can get, you know,

2275
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 4: an additional draft pick, even if it's not as high

2276
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 4: as you think and it's hard to get. Sometimes the

2277
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 4: trading deadline can be funny. Sometimes you give up more

2278
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 4: than you think, and sometimes you get a guy for

2279
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:49,799
Speaker 4: less than you think too. So you know, like Mohammed

2280
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:51,680
Speaker 4: Sanu for a second round pick, You're like, wow, a

2281
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:53,600
Speaker 4: second round pick. For Mohammed soon that seems like a

2282
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 4: lot you need it, but then you've got other guys

2283
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 4: that get traded and you're like, wow, you only got

2284
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 4: a conditional fifth, so you never know.

2285
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Heinze. Honestly, the Judon trade is looking pretty

2286
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 3: good right about.

2287
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 4: I think the Judon trade was excellent.

2288
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they got a really good return for him.

2289
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:09,679
Speaker 3: He's been okay with Atlanta, but it hasn't been anything crazy,

2290
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:12,679
Speaker 3: not certainly not pre injury Judon.

2291
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 4: I mean, the Patriots would be one and two if

2292
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 4: Judon was on the team right now. Yeah, It's not

2293
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 4: like he would have been the difference between a winter line.

2294
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:20,679
Speaker 4: I mean, I know you could say, well, an overtime game,

2295
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:22,680
Speaker 4: if you had a pass rusher, maybe you get off

2296
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 4: the field. That's certainly possible.

2297
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:25,639
Speaker 2: But usually at the end of the games, that's when

2298
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 2: he kind of faced.

2299
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:29,599
Speaker 4: Certainly possible that maybe he had a sack on one

2300
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 4: of those scoring drives and Seattle didn't score. Yeah, you

2301
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 4: could make that argument.

2302
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,720
Speaker 3: He looked a little heavy watching the game the other night,

2303
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:36,599
Speaker 3: the Atlanta game.

2304
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 2: Well, what would they say, like whenever they say about

2305
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 2: a player, you know, the Falcons are trying to get

2306
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 2: Jude onto. That means that there's something in his game

2307
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 2: that they're played hard, you know.

2308
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 5: Commit to the team.

2309
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Greg and Shrewsbury. How many more years do you

2310
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 2: think David Andrews has left? Should they look for a

2311
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 2: draft pick next year for this position?

2312
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, you don't have to draft centers high. But

2313
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 4: that's a fifth to sixth round pick. I mean Andrews

2314
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 4: himself was undrafted.

2315
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:07,080
Speaker 5: Jake Andrews got him in the mix.

2316
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 4: And I don't know what his status is. That's a

2317
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 4: good point. They might not even need to but strange, Yeah,

2318
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 4: that's it to me. That's a Day three pick on

2319
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 4: interior offensive lineman. You know, you take a couple of

2320
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 4: flyers there and usually usually one of them.

2321
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:23,639
Speaker 2: Just drafts like Wisconsin, you'll be fine City.

2322
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 4: So you know, day three pick and Jake Andrews and

2323
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 4: Mafi Mafi didn't hit Robin. We don't know about Andrews,

2324
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 4: and so did hit. You know, at least he's still here.

2325
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:35,680
Speaker 2: You get one of those corn fed linemen from the midwest.

2326
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 4: Nebraska in the old days.

2327
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 3: I do wonder at center. Yeah, he's a little tall

2328
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 3: to play center. That's like the one issue. But They're

2329
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 3: going to run this this scheme.

2330
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 5: Take anybody at this point because they just need depth,

2331
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 5: any bodies.

2332
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 2: Jordan and Hawaii. I know it's week three with a

2333
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 2: very young coaching staff across the board. However, I think

2334
01:46:57,120 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 2: a lot of what this team is is comes down

2335
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 2: to the coaches and not the players. On defense, Why

2336
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 2: are we playing these soft, cushy zones back to back

2337
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 2: weeks against these veteran quarterbacks who are just picking us

2338
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:12,719
Speaker 2: apart underneath and finding the saut spots in the zones?

2339
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 2: And then on the offense we run for one hundred

2340
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 2: and eighty yards back to back weeks. Then decides let's

2341
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 2: abandon that. What are we doing? And I think the

2342
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 2: thing that grinds my gears the most is why does

2343
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,640
Speaker 2: it feel like when Mao gets on the podium, he

2344
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 2: gets hit with truth serum and says, I don't know,

2345
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 2: We'll see who starts. Then the next day seems like

2346
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 2: AVP is playing damage control and acting like the head

2347
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 2: coach and it's his decision who plays quarterback. At this rate,

2348
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 2: AVP is gonna wrap May in a bubble wrap and

2349
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 2: stick him in a closet, strap to a chair, watching

2350
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 2: film for all of twenty twenty four. Do you get

2351
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 2: that sense?

2352
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 3: It's a little bit of an exaggeration, obviously, but I

2353
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 3: do get that sense. I get the sense that coming

2354
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 3: off the field on Thursday night and the ends, the

2355
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 3: Jets when they asked John Mayo, is Jacob ever said

2356
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 3: still your quarterback? And he said, I don't know. He

2357
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 3: then said on we I on Friday or yesterday or

2358
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 3: whatever that was, that he spent all night watching the

2359
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:14,240
Speaker 3: tape and then came away from it and suddenly he

2360
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:16,640
Speaker 3: had clarity.

2361
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 4: That Friday, right, he said that he is the starting quarterback. Well,

2362
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 4: I do wonder if, but if Mayo was looking to

2363
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 4: make that move sooner than Elliott Wolf and all.

2364
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 2: That. To me, I'm going to be consistent. And I

2365
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 2: thought after the game on Thursday night that unlike previous regimes,

2366
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 2: whatever they decide to do with may or Jacoby Mayo

2367
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 2: will announce it early in the week. And he did,

2368
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, because he doesn't want this whole thing all week.

2369
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 2: So when Drake may is ready, I don't believe it's

2370
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 2: going to be a mystery, or when I should say,

2371
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:53,840
Speaker 2: when they're ready to play Drake may It's not going

2372
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 2: to be a mystery. He'll start the He'll start the

2373
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 2: week off saying we're getting made to start this week.

2374
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 2: It won't be something where you know we're going into

2375
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:04,560
Speaker 2: the game. It's undecided.

2376
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:05,559
Speaker 4: I agree.

2377
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2378
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 3: My bigger thing with it, I guess, is just he

2379
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 3: he claimed on the EI that he went back and

2380
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 3: watched the film and then changed his mind. He thought

2381
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 3: Jakobe wasn't the problem. It was a line, it was this.

2382
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:22,679
Speaker 3: There was okay, fair argument. I My fear is because

2383
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:25,679
Speaker 3: I sometimes I'm like Paul and think of the worst

2384
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:29,880
Speaker 3: case scenario is that he's going back to Elliott into

2385
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 3: Alex van Pelt and they're telling Gerrod calm down, be patient,

2386
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,240
Speaker 3: hold your water, stay the course.

2387
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 2: So you think he wants may In and they're talking

2388
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 2: to him.

2389
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 3: I think he's wanted may In since the preseason when

2390
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 3: he said that he out played Jacoby in the summer.

2391
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:48,639
Speaker 4: I kind of think that too.

2392
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:53,439
Speaker 3: It just he's a as a former player going with

2393
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:56,640
Speaker 3: the more talented guy has to be so attractive to

2394
01:49:56,760 --> 01:50:00,519
Speaker 3: Gid Mayo and I think it's the other people. It's Ampelt,

2395
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 3: it's Elliott.

2396
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 2: Why if that's true, And again we're just conjecturing here

2397
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:07,559
Speaker 2: we don't have any inside knowledge. We don't know that

2398
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 2: that's a fact. But if it's true, why and for

2399
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:13,800
Speaker 2: what reason are they trying to talk him out of it?

2400
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:18,760
Speaker 2: Why is it an a VP's interest in Elliott Wolf's interest,

2401
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, or not is in their interest? But what

2402
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 2: are the factors that they're saying no, no, it's you

2403
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:25,760
Speaker 2: still got to keep for set in there?

2404
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 3: What do I My guess is they're telling himself that

2405
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 3: Drake isn't ready like that there. I'm sure that's what

2406
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 3: it is, is that he's not ready. But truthfully, I

2407
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 3: feel like they couldn't that be true. I think they're

2408
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 3: they're more worried about the scenario than anything else.

2409
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 5: I don't know if I buy it from Elliot Wolf though,

2410
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:48,240
Speaker 5: Like I mean, now it's Van Pelt if he's in

2411
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:50,639
Speaker 5: the weeds with it and he's you know, meetings every

2412
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:53,720
Speaker 5: day with the quarterbacks and he you know that carries water.

2413
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 5: But I don't know why Elliott Wolf.

2414
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, we just threw Elliott Wolf's name in there, but

2415
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,879
Speaker 2: it could be a VP and it could be Ben McAdoo.

2416
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 3: But but to.

2417
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 4: The point, like I just wonder if when you have

2418
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:10,400
Speaker 4: a plan and you're determined to just do what Green

2419
01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:13,680
Speaker 4: Bay does, and these guys all came from Green Bay. Well,

2420
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 4: that's the way we did it there, that's the way

2421
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 4: we're going to do it here. I think this has

2422
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:17,480
Speaker 4: been predetermined.

2423
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,000
Speaker 2: Okay, give me Aaron Rodgers and we'll start him over

2424
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:20,679
Speaker 2: to fred.

2425
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 4: I'm not arguing. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying they

2426
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 4: have decided. I don't believe they decided when they signed

2427
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett that Drake may wasn't going to start this year.

2428
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't know about that.

2429
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:32,920
Speaker 4: That's what the way I feel. I'm just giving you

2430
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:33,639
Speaker 4: my thoughts.

2431
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's your opinion.

2432
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 4: I think Mayo is a dissenter. I don't think he

2433
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 4: wants to go down that road. I think he wants

2434
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 4: to play may when he feels like he's ready. I

2435
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 4: think that the other two are going to come up

2436
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 4: with different reasons to not play him throughout the year.

2437
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:53,720
Speaker 3: You cannot tell I cannot tell you how much that

2438
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:56,760
Speaker 3: press conference from a VP on Friday drove me up

2439
01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 3: a wall. So so we're going to say that Jacoby

2440
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 3: everything right in the game, but Drake may had footwork

2441
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:06,719
Speaker 3: progression on his twelve dropbacks when he made two plays

2442
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 3: that were more plays than the offense had made all

2443
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:11,760
Speaker 3: night long. But when he got into the game, well

2444
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:12,799
Speaker 3: the footwork regressed.

2445
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:17,879
Speaker 2: So hold on, wasn't that in answer to a specific

2446
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,200
Speaker 2: question about things that he was looking at with in

2447
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 2: the game.

2448
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:24,439
Speaker 3: But it's I mean, you know, he got to be fair, No,

2449
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:26,719
Speaker 3: because he's not being fair to Drake, Like why would

2450
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:29,439
Speaker 3: I be fair to him? But like he's not being fair,

2451
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:33,559
Speaker 3: like he's he's being overly critical of a rookie that

2452
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 3: in his first regular season game ever where clearly the

2453
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 3: he was nervous question.

2454
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,640
Speaker 2: And nobody asked him, Hey, what what's what were the

2455
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:43,639
Speaker 2: things that Jacoby Brisaid needs to work on? Nobody cares,

2456
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 2: nobody asked it.

2457
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:47,600
Speaker 3: Because but he's but he sticks his neck out for

2458
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 3: Jacoby any chance that he gets, and he's and he

2459
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 3: sits there and he says all the time that you know,

2460
01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 3: Jacoby is our quarterback.

2461
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,360
Speaker 4: Jacoby's you know, the best chance to win the game.

2462
01:52:56,680 --> 01:52:58,280
Speaker 4: You know, because he knows he's.

2463
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 2: A sacrificial lamb. There's no reason to nitpick him.

2464
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I would just if we're gonna be honest about

2465
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 3: one guy, I would just rather be honest.

2466
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 2: I think the context is different.

2467
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:11,439
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you're getting really close to the point.

2468
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:13,720
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I know we're getting late in the show,

2469
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 4: but I think you're getting really close to the point

2470
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:19,320
Speaker 4: where the offensive production is so bad that I don't

2471
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:22,360
Speaker 4: possibly even envision a scenario that it gets any worse.

2472
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:25,960
Speaker 4: And you can talk about turnovers all you want, yep, Like,

2473
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:27,519
Speaker 4: what's the difference there.

2474
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 2: I'm with you there, Like I'm with you if.

2475
01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 4: You make some plays and you turn it over, I'll

2476
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 4: take that. Like Caleb, you know, we talk a lot

2477
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 4: about Jayden Daniels because he was great last night. If

2478
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:41,280
Speaker 4: I was Chicago and I watched the game Sunday with

2479
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams played, I'd have a lot of excitement about that.

2480
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

2481
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 4: He turned the ball over three times.

2482
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 2: There's nothing he's doing that says, oh, he can't play.

2483
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 4: He turned the ball over three times, and ultimately that's

2484
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:54,920
Speaker 4: probably why they didn't win the game. They didn't score

2485
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 4: enough because he turned it over. He had two picks

2486
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,720
Speaker 4: and a fumble, right, but he also threw for three

2487
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:01,160
Speaker 4: hundred sixty three yards.

2488
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:03,559
Speaker 2: I'm very excited. If I'm a Bears fan.

2489
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 4: He made some incredible throws in some incredible plays. He

2490
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 4: gets his rookie first round pick. Roma Dunes that really

2491
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 4: involved in that game. He has Cole Kamet, who was

2492
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 4: kind of quiet the first couple of games, suddenly with

2493
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,599
Speaker 4: one hundred yard game. If I was a Bears fan,

2494
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 4: I would much rather watch my guy turning the ball

2495
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:22,840
Speaker 4: over and making the amount of plays that he did.

2496
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 4: Then stay within the lines, do not make a mistake,

2497
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:33,080
Speaker 4: do not score points, shorten the game. Like at some

2498
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 4: point you have to make a decision. Is our goal

2499
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 4: to be competitive or is our goal to be good? Right?

2500
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:40,640
Speaker 4: Because right now it seems to me the goal was

2501
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:42,040
Speaker 4: just to be competitive, right right.

2502
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:45,440
Speaker 3: And I don't need to come at Fred or No

2503
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 3: or avp I just to me it just it just

2504
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,960
Speaker 3: comes back to like what Paul was saying, that they're

2505
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 3: finding reasons to not play the kid, and when he

2506
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 3: comes out and he says, you know, it was almost

2507
01:54:56,440 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 3: like it was it was a softball laid up on

2508
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,600
Speaker 3: a tee for him, for him to point out the

2509
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:03,840
Speaker 3: fact that his footwork isn't isn't there yet, So that

2510
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 3: now when all these people like us are questioning why

2511
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 3: isn't he playing? Then we can you know, he can say,

2512
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:14,240
Speaker 3: well the footwork regression or you know, Karen Grigian, my

2513
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:15,360
Speaker 3: homeroom isn't good.

2514
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 2: In my hope, like like I said, I hope that

2515
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 2: was just an answer to a specific question. And I

2516
01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 2: hope that when Gerard Mao says is he ready and

2517
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:27,520
Speaker 2: he says, well, his footwork's not, I hope that's Mao's

2518
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 2: not taking that as the reason why he's not.

2519
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 4: Purely the old adage. But they always say, like you know,

2520
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 4: in sports, like in a draft, like there are guys

2521
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:37,920
Speaker 4: that are like the the you know, the blue the

2522
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,200
Speaker 4: blue chips, the five star recruits, and you're like, oh,

2523
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:42,400
Speaker 4: you see, you know he needs work on this and this,

2524
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 4: but you see that that skill. And then there's the

2525
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 4: other guy who's sort of under the radar that's like

2526
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 4: maybe a three star and it's like, well he does

2527
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:51,720
Speaker 4: this well in that well, but I mean he doesn't

2528
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:54,000
Speaker 4: have the straight line speed. Like they're always looking for

2529
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:56,560
Speaker 4: the thing that a guy can't do to say no,

2530
01:55:57,080 --> 01:56:00,120
Speaker 4: as opposed to the guy who's well thought of. They

2531
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:02,760
Speaker 4: just accentuate the one thing that he does do well well.

2532
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:05,080
Speaker 4: I think there's a little of that going. Like, Drake

2533
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:08,320
Speaker 4: May comes into the game and he didn't look great.

2534
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:11,200
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna like sugarcoat it. The first pass that

2535
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 4: he throws, I can totally see Alex Van pelsay, See,

2536
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 4: that's why we can't play him. He threw the ball

2537
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 4: right to the lineby he didn't even see the lineback.

2538
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:23,680
Speaker 4: That's what's gonna happen, so right, So what Yeah? He then,

2539
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 4: you know, did some things that were pretty good. He

2540
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:29,640
Speaker 4: also did some things that were pretty risky, like getting

2541
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:33,960
Speaker 4: absolutely smashed on a third down run. But how is

2542
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 4: the guy ever gonna develop and learn if he doesn't

2543
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 4: get on the field and experience it. If you decide

2544
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:43,480
Speaker 4: that he's not gonna play at all this year, you're

2545
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,040
Speaker 4: gonna go into next year virtually in the same spot

2546
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:48,160
Speaker 4: having no idea about Drake May.

2547
01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 2: And I don't worry how much practice time if you

2548
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:52,760
Speaker 2: if you planned on him not playing this year, you

2549
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 2: should have kept Bailey Zappy or somebody similarly.

2550
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:57,560
Speaker 4: I would agree with that too, you know, I would

2551
01:56:57,600 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 4: agree with that. I just think that they're looking for

2552
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 4: reasons to But that's my point.

2553
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:05,200
Speaker 2: See about that was the plan. I think the plan

2554
01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:06,320
Speaker 2: is to play him this year.

2555
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,880
Speaker 4: No, I think he's going to play, but I don't

2556
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 4: think that they want him to And by day I

2557
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:13,120
Speaker 4: mean Alex Van Pelt and Elliott.

2558
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't.

2559
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 4: I don't think they want him to play.

2560
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:16,800
Speaker 3: They're going to lose.

2561
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 2: My opinion is they they are expecting him to play.

2562
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,640
Speaker 4: I mean, there's no way of proving either one of

2563
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 4: us right. They're gonna I mean, they're gonna lose their

2564
01:57:25,160 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 4: argument in my opinion, because Gerd Mao is gonna win

2565
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:29,680
Speaker 4: out because he's got someone really strong.

2566
01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 2: No, but he should be the head coach.

2567
01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 3: But I thank goodness that Gerd Mayo is gonna win out.

2568
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 3: And if I'm at some point in this season by

2569
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 3: the end of October, if the coach, if we're not

2570
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 3: all in agreement, I'm going in there on Monday morning

2571
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 3: and I'm saying Drake's playing, get him ready and and

2572
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:49,760
Speaker 3: the story and like, at some point we have to do.

2573
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 2: He's got to do that. He's like, yeah, I don't

2574
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,320
Speaker 2: care if you disagree. He's now our starting quarterback and

2575
01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 2: you better coach the s at them. Yeah, you know,

2576
01:57:57,560 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 2: one more call uh on the TPX how line. If

2577
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Speaker 2: I can get my bluetooth mouthed mouse to work. Kendall

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01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 2: is in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall? Thanks for holding on.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm along with Paul is ready? Why am not playing?

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01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:21,680
Speaker 6: To get why he's gonna have to pat the fast twice? Amaze?

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01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:24,000
Speaker 7: So this is a getting ready for what's the matter

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01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:25,800
Speaker 7: about playing Miami or.

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01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 6: You should play?

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01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 5: No?

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01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:33,800
Speaker 2: I yep, I get. I get what you're saying. I'man

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01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:35,879
Speaker 2: Francisco versus Miami, and I also.

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01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 4: Get that you know San Francisco at San Francisco is

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01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:39,440
Speaker 4: not ideal.

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01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:40,120
Speaker 3: It's a monster.

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01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:41,680
Speaker 4: It's not an ideal situation.

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01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all I think where coming from. It is

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01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:48,320
Speaker 3: just there's certain teams that are in a different category

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01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:50,720
Speaker 3: of teams. This is not them going on the road,

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01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:52,880
Speaker 3: uh you know, to play even Cincinnati.

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01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:56,360
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you something, if all that those personnel

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01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,560
Speaker 4: losses for San Francisco lead this to be a closer

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01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 4: game than we're expecting to give away Thursday. But I'm

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01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 4: sensing a tone here. If you know, all of a sudden,

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01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:08,320
Speaker 4: you're in like a you know, a twenty to thirteen game,

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01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:12,680
Speaker 4: there'll be second guessing. There'll be some second guessing that

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01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 4: you should have hit a different quarterback. Maybe you could

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01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 4: have scored some points.

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01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it would be fair.

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01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fair.

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01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:19,400
Speaker 2: Second guessing.

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01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:20,480
Speaker 4: That's only fail.

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01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:23,000
Speaker 2: It's only fail. All right. That's going to be it

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01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:26,560
Speaker 2: for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We will be back

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01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:30,919
Speaker 2: tomorrow at noon. What's the catch? Twenty two schedule this week.

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Speaker 3: A normal schedule, So Thursday at two thirty.

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01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 2: Thursday at two thirty two playbook tomorrow. Matt is nodding

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01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:37,720
Speaker 2: his head.

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01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:39,320
Speaker 4: Yes, twaybook.

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01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 2: We can't hear you.

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01:59:41,440 --> 01:59:44,720
Speaker 3: Two thirty playbook, two thirty playbook.

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01:59:45,400 --> 01:59:50,320
Speaker 2: Worth alright anyway for Evan, Paul Deuce, myself, Matt, We

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Speaker 2: will see you tomorrow.

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