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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the celibverbal boys and girls. My name

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Speaker 2: is Ty hilde Brand. That fine gentleman over there as

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Speaker 2: always the illustrious Dan Rubisteinzer.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today? I would love to say

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Speaker 1: I'm great. I'm happy to say that I'm not bad,

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Speaker 1: but there is something about and I'm gonna peel the

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Speaker 1: curtain back a little bit, even though nobody asked for

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Speaker 1: me to do it. Certainly you didn't. But part of

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Speaker 1: being a parent involves not just hoping for greatness all

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Speaker 1: the time, not hoping your kid's perfect, not hoping your

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Speaker 1: kid just learns everything quickly. But it's about minor victories. Sure,

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Speaker 1: it's about small accomplishments that you can stack on top

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Speaker 1: this progress. That's pretty cool. Such as life. Such as

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Speaker 1: life did not just in pair totally. It is nothing.

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Speaker 1: It is not unique to parenting, but it is unique

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Speaker 1: to my day in that oh man taking a three

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Speaker 1: year old for a swimming lesson that they're not interested

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Speaker 1: in participating in, but eventually get in the water and

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Speaker 1: make peace with that's going to be part of their morning.

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Speaker 1: It's not a huge win, Ty, I'm gonna be frank

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Speaker 1: with you. It's not a huge win. But it's progress.

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Speaker 2: How close were you to a baby bird slash Papa

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Speaker 1: I didn't throw. I placed assertively. Let's call it that.

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Speaker 1: I am a gentle, gentle, emotional and physical soul. But

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Speaker 1: at a certain point, we got to get in there,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the damn water. Yeah. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I'm especially happy to record a college football program in

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Speaker 1: which we talk about minor, major start and stop progress. Tie.

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Speaker 1: I am here for the positivity, as I'm sure most

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Speaker 1: people tend to be in the off season. So we're

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Speaker 1: talking about stacking minor accomplishments. That then you take a

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Speaker 1: few steps back and you say, hey, look we all

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Speaker 1: did together. Look at us talk about breakthroughs today, right correct?

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Speaker 1: Talk about breakthroughs.

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Speaker 2: feel is going to be their breakthrough team. And again,

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Speaker 2: to your point, breakthroughs are relative. If you're Kansas, three

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Speaker 2: or four wins is a pretty damn big breakthrough completely

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Speaker 2: if you're Notre Dame, win a playoff game, that would

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Speaker 2: be a big deal. Yeah, getting over the proverbial hump

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when they scored that touchdown in the playoff, whew,

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Speaker 1: Dan? How do we want to set this guy up?

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Speaker 1: I think we should start at the top because last

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Speaker 1: year's college football playoff to me, arguably the least interesting

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Speaker 1: and that was the breakthroughs of Michigan and Cincinnati. Now,

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Speaker 1: It was still really cool to see Michigan not only

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Speaker 1: The near future. That would certainly represent I think, a

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Speaker 1: Though we also have to go on to Part B

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Speaker 1: is like do we actually believe? Ty? Do we actually believe? Believe?

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Speaker 1: Got to believe, have to believe, We're feel it in

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Speaker 1: They've tracked down the opportunity truck with a stray air tag, yes,

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Speaker 1: Oregon State to me is a dark horse Pack twelve

433
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Speaker 1: North champion in the way that they were not far

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Speaker 1: away last year. If you remember correctly, it was like

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Speaker 1: if then, if then Oregon State has a chance to

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Speaker 1: play Utah in the Pactoral Championship game late on later

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Speaker 1: on in the season. So there is something about Jonathan Smith.

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Speaker 1: There is something. There's there's a lot of work to

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Speaker 1: be done, especially up front. On defense, but running the

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Speaker 1: ball with a smart offensive coach, uh with a we'll

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Speaker 1: see how accurate the quarterback situation is. But like there's

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Speaker 1: guys there on that Oregon State team that if if

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Speaker 1: who they're playing that week is they're just sort of

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Speaker 1: without direction. Oregon State might tiptoe to like eight and

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Speaker 1: four this year. Interesting, I just want to like that

446
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Speaker 1: is like sort of a watch out here. Oregon State comes,

447
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Speaker 1: it's another team where contextually it's kind of ideal around

448
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Speaker 1: the beafs. Still dark horse, still doesn't have the talent

449
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Speaker 1: level to win, you know, to clearly win eight, nine,

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Speaker 1: ten games an just that's sort of a non factor

451
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Speaker 1: to me. But continuity in a world where there's not

452
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Speaker 1: a lot by the way the Kansas line and we

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Speaker 1: will do a show as we get close to this

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Speaker 1: is a season for sure, as we get into our

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Speaker 1: preview mode where we do all of these win totals

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Speaker 1: over unders, but Kansas at two and a half over under, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is this is not an over under show, but

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Speaker 1: this is a What a breakthrough is for Oregon State

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Speaker 1: is winning their division at this point. What a breakthrough

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Speaker 1: is for Kansas is winning four games two or three

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Speaker 1: of which in the I don't know who Kansas has

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Speaker 1: in the non conference portion of their schedule. But if

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Speaker 1: if Kansas wins two to three Big Twelve Games Parade

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Speaker 1: in Lawrence, Parade in Lawrence, they go one to eight

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Speaker 1: last year, and so again with the changes around the

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Speaker 1: Big twelve and the changes around the PAC twelve North,

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Speaker 1: those are breakthrough candidates to me, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: I feel about This was another suggestion I believe from

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Speaker 1: a listener, like what is a breakthrough for Virginia? Who

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Speaker 1: was in the a SEC Championship game three years ago?

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Speaker 1: Bryce Perkins year. So I think Virginia is a case

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Speaker 1: of I don't know, winning eight games two years in

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Speaker 1: a row. Like I think it's more of the like

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Speaker 1: stacking accomplishments. But I don't know how you feel about Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Obviously there's no way to know because we haven't seen

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Speaker 1: Tony Elliott head coach. But what is that breakthrough situation

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Speaker 1: for the who's Well, we.

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Speaker 2: Talked a little bit about Virginia's schedule on one of

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Speaker 2: our previous episodes, and it is a really nice situation

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Speaker 2: for Tony Elliott stepping into this new role. I think

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Speaker 2: you pointed it out, But you go a good seven

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Speaker 2: weeks into this thing before you're playing really any of

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Speaker 2: the heavy hitters. Here's how they start out, Richmond, Illinois,

484
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Speaker 2: Old Dominion, Syracuse, Duke Louisville a bye, and then Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 2: Now not all those games are at home, a couple

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Speaker 2: are on the road. But is there really anybody on

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Speaker 2: that list that you're terrified of? Just in general? The

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Speaker 2: answer is no, Right the answers no. Some of those

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Speaker 2: teams should be better, I think than Virginia, But there's

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Speaker 2: nobody on that schedule you look at and you quiver

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Speaker 2: with fear. It gets harder from that point on. Between

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Speaker 2: Halloween weekend and the end of the season. That's when

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Speaker 2: it really tightens up. Miami, North Carolina, Pit Coastal Carolina,

494
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Speaker 2: really good non conference game, and then a road tilt

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Speaker 2: at Virginia Tech to close out the year. But I

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Speaker 2: think if you're Tony Elliott, I think if you're a

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Speaker 2: Virginia fan as a whole, just knowing that you've got

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Speaker 2: your quarterback backs pretty big deal, a veteran presence in

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Speaker 2: the huddle, that can certainly help. If you're looking at

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Speaker 2: the schedule as a Virginia fan, I think you feel

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Speaker 2: like eight wins, maybe nine wins if you're really spint.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't. They don't have the defense for that.

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Speaker 1: To me, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I they've got the defense, but I think it's doable.

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Speaker 2: I think it's attainable. So they go six and six

506
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Speaker 2: last year. What I think would be progressed from Virginia

507
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Speaker 2: is lose close win far right. It's the way that

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Speaker 2: they lost last year. Did they lose by twenty to both?

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Speaker 2: I have the schedule right now. Lose by twenty at

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Speaker 2: North Carolina, lose by twenty against Wake, lose twenty eight

511
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Speaker 2: to three. That's twenty five points to me to Notre Dame,

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Speaker 2: lose double digits to Pit lose to a careening Virginia

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Speaker 2: Tech program who put it all together for that win

514
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Speaker 2: over the who's in the rivalry matchup. So to me,

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Speaker 2: it's lose to the better teams competitively and separate yourself

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Speaker 2: in wins more often. That to me is definite breakthrough

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Speaker 2: progress in year one for Tony Elliott and go to

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Speaker 2: a bowl game doing all of those things. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 2: go through some of these other suggestions that we got

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Speaker 2: from the verbolo. Please, what we've got. Here is a

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Speaker 2: list of folks who wrote in via discord our Patreon only,

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Speaker 2: discord server, which I mentioned earlier, as well as Twitter,

523
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Speaker 2: where we had a number of responses. We can't read

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Speaker 2: all of them, but there were some trends that we

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Speaker 2: grouped together.

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Speaker 1: Mm hm.

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Speaker 2: The elephant in the room is Nebraska. Nebraska won three

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Speaker 2: games last year. Yeah, break through his ball, break through

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Speaker 2: his ball. Scott Frost has never been to a ball anything.

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Speaker 2: Any expectations beyond that are silly. Three and nine was

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Speaker 2: Nebraska last season. This year, Vegas is feeling a little

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Speaker 2: bit better about Nebraska, feeling perhaps like things need to

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Speaker 2: come back to the mean in a sense.

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Speaker 1: Seven and a halfty if you will, seven and a

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Speaker 1: half is.

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Speaker 2: There over unders So Melty, one of our alphas in

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Speaker 2: the discord says, thank you Dan. Yeah, Nebraska making a

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Speaker 2: bowl game would represent a breakthrough. We also have college

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Speaker 2: football tonight via Twitter saying really looking forward to watching

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Speaker 2: Nebraska and seeing if Scott Frost could turn the program

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Speaker 2: into something special, kind of like how did with Clemson.

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Speaker 2: We have a ways to go before we get there.

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Speaker 1: Oh man. The dabble model makes its return. Continue the

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Speaker 1: Dabble model makes its a turn. Cody on Twitter says,

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Speaker 1: it's got to be Nebraska. Got to be Nebraska. No

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Speaker 1: way they have that many one possession losses. Again, not

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Speaker 1: saying they finish top two in their division, but I

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Speaker 1: do think they will get over the Iowa hump, the

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Speaker 1: Iowa hump, something I could say, that's a hump, that's

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Speaker 1: a worthwhile hump. Something I could see us using. The

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Speaker 1: Iowa hump. Yeah, uh yeah. Nebraska progress is merely losing

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Speaker 1: to clearly better teams, winning more close games, one possession games,

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Speaker 1: going to a bowl game, and looking like it has

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Speaker 1: its act together on offense for multiple weeks in a row,

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Speaker 1: not just quarters in a row, weeks in a row,

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Speaker 1: weeks if fewer, if any disappearing acts on offense. And

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Speaker 1: the problem with pointing to Clemson giving dabos anytime is

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Speaker 1: a Nebraska's given Scott Frost a good amount of time

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Speaker 1: in the modern era. That he's back this year indicates

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Speaker 1: that and there was a certain amount of continuity and

561
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Speaker 1: continues to be a certain amount of continuity on the

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Speaker 1: player side for Clemson. It's not a situation in which

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Speaker 1: the Nebraska administration is saying Scott Frost is building something.

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Speaker 1: His guys are believing. They've been here for two years,

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Speaker 1: three years, four years, and this is the year that

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Speaker 1: it's all. This is the capstone. They overhauled everything like

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Speaker 1: everybody does every year, So it's not like a wave

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Speaker 1: has been forming with all of these guys figuring things out,

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Speaker 1: figuring out how to win together, and this is the

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Speaker 1: year it all culminates. It's Oh, here's a TCU defensive end,

571
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Speaker 1: here's a Texas quarterback, here's this guy right. And I

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Speaker 1: hope it's the case that there's a breakthrough because I

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Speaker 1: like the novel in the sport, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: just Bowl game for Nebraska at this point represents a

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Speaker 1: breakthrough because that represents learning how to win losable games. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, Nebraska would love to go to the

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Speaker 2: moon this year. Sure love to go to the moon.

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Speaker 2: Take this program off. Mm hmm, let's launch it. There

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Speaker 2: may be a little bit more of the scene from

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Speaker 2: Apollo thirteen where they're fitting the square peg in the

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Speaker 2: round hole, like it'd be great to get to the moon,

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Speaker 2: but let's work.

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Speaker 1: On breathing first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's figure out a way to just make it

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Speaker 2: back alive. And I think Scott Frost with what he's

586
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Speaker 2: done here. They've worked the portal, they've made some changes.

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Speaker 2: They're doing their best to keep this thing afloat and

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Speaker 2: turn around their fortunes from a year ago. I agree,

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Speaker 2: it can't be three and nine again.

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Speaker 1: It just can't. There's no way it can be three

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Speaker 1: and nine again. It's got way better than that. Let's

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Speaker 1: get let's get the kid in the pool before we

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Speaker 1: start making reservations at the Olympic Academy. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. That's what I'm saying. I'll tell you this, Ty.

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Speaker 1: I do believe I did too, given the schedule. I'm

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Speaker 1: a Nebraska believer. I am. I do. There is actually

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Speaker 1: in a very backwards way, because things were so bad

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Speaker 1: last year for Nebraska, in the way that they finished games,

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Speaker 1: in the way that they handled high leverage moments against

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Speaker 1: good teams and ended up at three and nine. They

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Speaker 1: still a three and nine team is a three and

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Speaker 1: nine team. I almost think that we're now in like

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Speaker 1: a weird shadow and weight is off in a backwards way,

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Speaker 1: Scott Frost, that they're just like, screw it this year.

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Speaker 1: I know, if it doesn't happen, if we're not winning

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Speaker 1: X number of games, I'm gone. So there's almost like

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Speaker 1: a clarity of situation rather than an immense amount of pressure.

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Speaker 1: That's me projecting, but that to me could seem like

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Speaker 1: a certain reality that we're like, all right, we're throwing

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Speaker 1: everything there. If it doesn't work, I'm gone. Whatever. I

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Speaker 1: put Scott.

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Speaker 2: Frost on the cover art for this here episode, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because it fits.

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Speaker 1: It works right.

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Speaker 2: There's no greater breakthrough candidate than Nebraska and Scott Frost.

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Speaker 2: I am a little bit appalled though, looking through the

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Speaker 2: professional images of Scott Frost. How many of them, the

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Speaker 2: overwhelming majority of them in which he looks like he

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Speaker 2: smells something vaguely terrible.

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Speaker 1: He never looks happy at all, vaguely terrible.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's food in the fridge,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a passing fort Who knows, right,

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Speaker 2: I'd say eighty percent of the pictures I found there's

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Speaker 2: something vaguely terrible in the air.

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Speaker 1: There's something about his face most of the time, when

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Speaker 1: captured in many megapixels, that screams, oh crap, there's a

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter? Oh crap? Is it third? Is it second down?

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Speaker 1: Is it like there is this like immense panic that

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Speaker 1: is just trying to make it. It's way out of

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Speaker 1: his eyes, but he's doing his best to keep it

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Speaker 1: in and you can kind of see through it.

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Speaker 2: Pun Devil on Discord, another Alpha says, I'm going Washington.

633
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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Kaylen de Boor and the North.

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Speaker 1: Is pretty weak.

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Speaker 2: We also had a Lieutenant Dan on Twitter jump aboard

636
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: the Husky bandwagon thinks, Okay, Dub's going to see the

637
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Speaker 2: biggest jump in wins. Talent was not the issue last year. Okay, okay,

638
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Speaker 2: mister pac twelve North, fill me in here on Washington.

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Speaker 2: You know, I am disproportionately.

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Speaker 1: Excited about the Dubor era in Seattle. I like Kaylen

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Speaker 1: Debor a good amount. So do why so? Do? Why so?

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Speaker 1: Do you? As you've made Claire. Progress at this point

643
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: is more just oh okay, they're moving the ball on offense.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I see a quarterback looks confident in what

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Speaker 1: they're trying to do. Whoever that quarterback is, because previously

646
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Speaker 1: on Washington football it was Sam Huber throwing what four

647
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: picks in the Apple Cup and losing demonstrably to a

648
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: team that they had dominated for the last however long.

649
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't think Michael Leach ever beat you up right,

650
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever broke through. Speaking of breakthroughs,

651
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: so that's a long time I am a breakthrough. I

652
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: don't even know if it's a win thing. It's just

653
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: an offense existing thing. And they've lost a good amount

654
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: of people on both sides of the ball to transfer.

655
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: They've brought in guys from the portal as well. I

656
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: think it is a talent issue for Washington. Honestly, Washington

657
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they've locked down a roster that's gonna

658
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: win a ton of games, Like they recruited well under

659
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson and it fell off under Jimmy Lake and

660
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: now guys are bailing. I don't see like I don't

661
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: see the start. Like ZTF is back and he popped

662
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: two years ago, and so maybe they'll get after the

663
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: quarterback better than they did last year. But I don't know.

664
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Speaker 1: Losing guys they have in the secondary, not having a

665
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: go to receiver, not having a running back, questions at quarterback, like,

666
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: I think there's a ton of roster questions here. So

667
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: to me, it is just Kaitlin de Borr what he

668
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: did for Indiana's offense, what he did for Jay Caner

669
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: and the Fresno State offense. Former Washington quarterback Jay Cayner.

670
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: If Washington looks good for long stretches on offense, that's

671
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: a breakthrough from where we've been. I think that's right.

672
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: I think that's right.

673
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: One hundred and first nationally in SP plus offensive efficiency

674
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: last season. This is a team that through the air

675
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: through fifteen touchdowns to sixteen interceptions. So look, it was

676
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: a season in disarray. Yeah, for Washington, to what end

677
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: we could take anything away from what we saw in

678
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, Who knows.

679
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two.

680
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: Moving forward, they bring over Michael Pennix, right, a former

681
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: favorite of Kaylen de Bor. Maybe he'll get action.

682
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

683
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: I think some semi blints of organization and at least

684
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: feeling like things are going in the right direction would

685
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: represent a breakthrough. I feel fairly confident that he's.

686
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: Gonna get that.

687
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what the win total is going to

688
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: look like, but I think at least in terms of

689
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: making it feel like the ship is going in a

690
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: good direction, I'm very confident that will happen.

691
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: Offense. Offense, offense, offense offense. Also, they have an FCS

692
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: team on their schedule in Portland State Portland State. The

693
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Vikings score double digits against Portland State. Beat Portland State,

694
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: Go Vikings. Formerly of where was Jerry Glanville not the

695
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: Portland State coach for some time? I believe he was

696
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: beat Portland State. That's a breakthrough.

697
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: Speaking of breakthroughs that we may not measure in terms

698
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: of wins and losses, let's talk about the Florida Gators.

699
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: We've got an item here from Andy on her discord

700
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: who mentions Florida and he's saying openly, I don't think

701
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: they're going to win the East, but I do think

702
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: they could turn some heads with Billion Napier. Now, I

703
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: love the fact that he called that out because I

704
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: do feel like with this Florida schedule, as we talked

705
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 2: about on our scheduled preview show, when we did talk

706
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: about Florida and the SEC as a whole, it's not

707
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: easy for the Gators this year. Not only are they

708
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: starting out weeks one and two with Utah and Kentucky

709
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: both at home, but two pretty good teams, but then

710
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: they're also closing out their year final five games Georgia,

711
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: the cocktail party on the road at.

712
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: Texas A and M.

713
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: They've got an odd game after the A and M

714
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: spot where they're coming back home and squaring off against

715
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: South Carolina. Who knows what version of South Carolina we're

716
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: going to see this season. They've got a Vandy game

717
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: in there before they got to go on the road

718
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: and close this thing out against Florida State. That's not

719
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: a great way to close out your college football season. However, However,

720
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: we were joking about Florida as our one two three

721
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: can Coon Team of the Week slash year when they

722
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: were under the tutelage of Dan Mullen. They didn't give

723
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: a damn.

724
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: They didn't give a damn. Still went to a bowl.

725
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: Game, but he didn't really give a damn For large

726
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: swaths of the season last year it was very hit

727
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: or miss. So Billy Napier is that kind of coach

728
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: we saw it at Louisiana, who can very quickly get

729
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 2: guys playing to a pretty high level, get them in

730
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: all of the big games, playing hard, whistle to whistle.

731
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: That would represent a really big jump I think for Florida,

732
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: a breakthrough, maybe a name only for the Gators. They

733
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: might not get the nine wins, but just feeling like

734
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: they're within a score, within ten points of some of

735
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: the better teams on their schedule, not everyone, I think

736
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: represents a pretty big jump forward. Like if they go

737
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: into that A and M game and they lose by

738
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: six points, that's a big deal. That's a big deal.

739
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: By the way, there's talent on this team. They could

740
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: win on the road at A M. So they're gonna be

741
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: a couple of these games that they pick off and

742
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: that they win along the way. But I feel like

743
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: just starting with the very basics of getting Florida to

744
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: play in a way that feels like Florida football and

745
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: feels like they've got a shot to win every week,

746
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: that that to me, maybe it's small, but that to me.

747
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Would be a pretty big breakthrough. And I think he'll

748
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 1: get them there. Yeah. I think there's a few things

749
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: at play with Florida breaking through because they played for

750
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: the SEC a year and a half. I know. I know.

751
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: That's why it feels weird to say, even as I'm

752
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: saying and to hear myself saying it, it feels weird

753
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: to talk about Florida like some scrappy upstart.

754
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: They're not right.

755
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: They've got a lot of talent and they should be

756
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: competitive in these games. But yeah, just the depths to

757
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: which they fell last year was really unsettling. To see

758
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: them come back now to where I expect them to

759
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: be contending, competing every week, that's a good step in

760
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: the right direction.

761
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, a breakthrough for Florida is getting back to an

762
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: exciting offense which we saw just two years ago. I

763
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do with winning

764
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: recruiting battles right now for Florida and that Billy Napier has,

765
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, sort of embrace the modern realities of recruiting

766
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: and they're you know, hitting the portal and they're going

767
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: after another recruiting nationally or attempting to recruit nationally once again.

768
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of that is going to

769
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: come from the portal because the teams that they're ultimately

770
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: stacked up against in the SEC East and the SEC

771
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: at large nationally, if they're national aspirations, which I assume

772
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: there are. A breakthrough is going to be talent acquisition.

773
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: A breakthrough is going to be finishing with consistent top

774
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: ten ish classes. You know, it was what top four,

775
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: top three under Urban Meyer way back when. Sure, but

776
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: it is if we are looking at Florida as consistently

777
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: beating Georgia as what is considered to be a breakthrough,

778
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 1: it's recruiting players and building depth to the point where

779
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: you can do that because last year, if I remember correctly,

780
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: they lost by like four touchdowns, right, thirty four to

781
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: seven six something like that. So that's where the ways

782
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: to go is to me, because again, like the development,

783
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: the offensive development was absolutely there under Dan Mullen. It

784
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: was defense, it was coaching assistant hires, it was effort

785
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: week to week, it was motivation whatever. I think it's

786
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: the breakthrough is going to come with two or three

787
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: straight top ten ish classes and then yes, week to

788
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: week effort is meaningful, but it's just correcting something that

789
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: basically happened during a half a season last year. Ye,

790
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: not an ongoing trend. Yeah.

791
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: And of note, I think that's a valid point about

792
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 2: the talent acquisition, especially since it sort of was what

793
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: got Dan Mullen fired right seventh last year in the

794
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: SEC and the twenty twenty two class thus far, the

795
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: twenty three class, Billy Napier's first full cycle eighth in

796
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: the SEC.

797
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: A lot of rube to grow, Yeah, eighth in the SEC,

798
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: and it's not a lot of people will point to

799
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: all with what Mario Christobal is and will be doing

800
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: in Miami. And you know, Mike Norvell's had some successes

801
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: at Florida State, and you know, the SEC has never

802
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: been more success in state of Florida. What Urban Meyer

803
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: was able to do at Florida was nationalized. That Florida

804
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: brand right to go. Especially I think it was Steve

805
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: Adazio who had the northeast connections and like Will Hill

806
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: was from New Jersey, I want to say he was

807
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: from somewhere New Jersey, NewYork. He was on the Tri

808
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: state area, somewhere. Dominique Easley was from like Staten Islanders.

809
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: Like they were able to go into these places. Obviously,

810
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: you know there's the big asterisk that like, well, Aaron

811
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Hernandez was from Connecticut, like, but there were guys who

812
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: contributed from all over and Florida was not necessarily only

813
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: dependent in the same way like USC wasn't only dependent

814
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: on southern California under Pete Carroll. It was there was

815
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: a big deal about you know, being recruited to Florida

816
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: from wherever you played high school football. I think there

817
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: needs to be an element of the uh, the the

818
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: reshining of the Florida Gator brand and the progress that

819
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: would come with.

820
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: That cam from our verball or Discord says Minnesota it's

821
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 2: their year to make the Big Ten championship. In year

822
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: eight hundred and twelve of Tanner Morgan. We also had

823
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 2: Ross on Twitter going a little bit higher with his expectations,

824
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: saying Minnesota is going to win the Big Ten West.

825
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: I think both things are very attainable. Sure, we talked

826
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: in nauseum about the Minnesota schedule, and I can pull

827
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: that back up here briefly. It does look pretty good

828
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: for them, at least to start. It gets harder, but

829
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: their first three weeks of the college football season New

830
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: Mexico State, Western Illinois, Colorado, that's about as easy as

831
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 2: it gets among all the teams in the Big Ten,

832
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: in the non conference, Minnesota will have a bit of

833
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: a launch pad to get themselves in order. After that

834
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: on the road at Michigan State, first real test. We'll

835
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: find out something about them. In Week four home against Purdue.

836
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: They're on a bye week before they go back to

837
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: back to Illinois two Penn State. They've got Rutgers sandwiched

838
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 2: in there between Penn State and Nebraska for whatever that's worth.

839
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: Toughest stretch for this team, frankly is the final two

840
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: weeks of the year home against Iowa on the road

841
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: rivalry game of course against Wisconsin.

842
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: It's very attainable.

843
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: We labeled this one as a secret cake schedule from Minnesota,

844
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: so PJ. Fleck can organize the troops if he can

845
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: get things going in a good direction, still have a

846
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: veteran presence at quarterback in Tanner Morgan. Like, if they

847
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: can get things going, you gotta feel good about that

848
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: prediction or even that aspiration Minnesota making that breakthrough. I

849
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: have to take a look here to see what Minnesota's

850
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: over under win total is seven and a half right now,

851
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: seven and a half. I would smash the over like

852
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: there is no tomorrow. I actually may do that as.

853
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: A one quarterback and defense. Okay, you're affecting the market

854
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: as we're recording this. As i'm you will have already

855
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: gotten in on your.

856
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna go twenty five bucks on your Actually for Minnesota,

857
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: I didn't realize.

858
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: It was so low.

859
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: Okay, How do you feel about Minnesota's chances of a

860
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: of a breakthrough.

861
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: What does a breakthrough look like? To you? A breakthrough

862
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: is winning the West, because they clearly had a breakthrough

863
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: whatever was two three years, it was twenty nineteen when

864
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: they won ten games. Who they beat? They beat Auburn

865
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: in the Outback Bowl, I believe, and they have those

866
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: two great receivers. Defense was inconsistent. But yeah, the breakthrough

867
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: is simply because they've beaten Wisconsin, They've beaten their rival.

868
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: I think they've split these last four years, so it's

869
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: not like there's a specific hump to get over there,

870
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: and they won. They've won a bunch of games, so

871
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: I guess now it's just playing for the Big Ten

872
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: itself and winning the division. That's the breakthrough to me,

873
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: because there's so much consistent with head coach and quarterback

874
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: and now defensive coordinator. That to me, it's that last

875
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: step is actually avoiding the dud Illinois loss, avoiding the

876
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: dud Bowling Green loss, and it just seems that Minnesota

877
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: has that Doud loss. They didn't really in the in

878
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: the I was twenty nineteen I believe season, But it's

879
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: that's that Illinois loss or that's that whatever loss to

880
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: a down Big Ten team is what has kept them

881
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: out of the Big Ten championship game. So it's Wisconsin,

882
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: and basically, yeah, it's it represents progress is winning the West.

883
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: A couple other ones here The real fournoh a new

884
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: verbaal are on Patreon. Thank you, sir for stopping on by,

885
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: he writes in the discord, as does Eric with a

886
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: K on Twitter. Arizona Arizona. Two reasons, one more specific

887
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: than the other. Jed Fish has done a great job

888
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 2: hitting the portal and had that team playing really hard,

889
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: which I agree with. And then also they'll likely still

890
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: not be good, but not the absolute dumpster fire that

891
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: last year was, and they should show actual competency and

892
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: a path to a turnaround in twenty twenty two. I

893
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: think I think you are aggressively, effusively on board with

894
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: this one.

895
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, the defense is probably still gonna

896
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: be pretty atrocious, but quarterback and effort and enthusiasm goes

897
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: a decent amount of distance, it goes aways. And I

898
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: don't love Jaden de Laura, but I think he's fine,

899
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: and I think fine is better than where they've been.

900
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm I'm not driving the Arizona bus,

901
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm up front chatting. I like the cats here.

902
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: A breakthrough is winning two or three games within the

903
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: PAC twelve, probably three games in the PAC twelve, and

904
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: getting past a which should be a pretty down Arizona

905
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: State team. They've lost six of seven to the Sun Devils.

906
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: And so if for some reason, Emery Jones is everything

907
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: in who stays afloat as her Edwards and the tenure

908
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: of her Edwards dwindles down Unless that happens, I feel

909
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: pretty decently about Arizona. I don't know whether if the

910
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: game's in Tucson or Tempe this year, but yeah, this

911
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: would be the year to jump up and get them. Yeah,

912
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: I think yeah, three pack twelve wins and a win

913
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: in the the Territorial Cup. Territorial is in Tucson this year,

914
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: by the way. Oh okay, so this is that that's

915
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: prime for a breakthrough. And yes, Ty, I am a believer.

916
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: I do believe. You gotta believe life after some Lynn,

917
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah you got thank you? All right?

918
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 2: A couple more here, I'll just rifle through these quick

919
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: and you can tell me which ones jump out to you. Sure, Max,

920
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: on Discord says maybe Rutgers. Maybe Rutgers. I think they

921
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: have a shot to be Bowl eligible.

922
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: Max, I don't. I'm sorry. Yeah, I just I need

923
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: a quarterback there, man, like, because I'm a believer in

924
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: that defense at times. Right, the Rutgers defense last year

925
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: was downright, especially upfront against the run, pretty good, right, Yeah,

926
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: I just it's a tough schedule. It's a really tough

927
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: schedule for Rutgers this year. I need a quarterback to

928
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: throw twenty touchdowns over the course of a season and

929
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: throw between you know, four and eight interceptions, complete sixty

930
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: three percent of his passes. Like, I just need a

931
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: certain amount of offensive competence to clear a bar. And

932
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: with that schedule and no obvious answer on the roster

933
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: at quarterback, who can do that? I just yeah, progress

934
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: is three big ten wins?

935
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Is Stanford a breakthrough candidate? Blessed Alua play the alpha

936
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 2: sound please?

937
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: Okay?

938
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: Blessed Alua a prominent figure on our ball or discord

939
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: which you can find it for bowlers, dock.

940
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: Stanford progress breakthrough? This is way too sound heavy. I

941
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: love it, he says.

942
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: Shaw is going to bring Stanford back. The early signing

943
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: date set them back, and transfer limitations will always be

944
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: an obstacle. But he's still get coach and there aren't

945
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: many upgrades. Willing okay, hold on, hold on premise for

946
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: a moment. Is David Shaw a good coach like I

947
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: thought he was? But then his stubbornness.

948
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: Caught up to him with how conservative Stanford's been in

949
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: higher leverage moments on offense and just hasn't changed. That's

950
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: the problem to me, that the best coaches evolve, and

951
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like David Shaw has evolved. Stanford last season.

952
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, as I look at these numbers, there's

953
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: just a lot of red. One hundred and fifth in

954
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: the sp plus one hundred and fourth on offense, one

955
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: hundred and seventh on defense. Surprisingly consistent on that level.

956
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: And loyal to his coordinators. Loyal to his coordinators.

957
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. The schedule this season, again, we talked about all

958
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: these You can go back and listen, but it doesn't

959
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: seem particularly easy. It's actually quite front loaded. So you've

960
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: got your USC week two, which is not a great spot. Right,

961
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: there's Oregon. A couple weeks later, they're on the road

962
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame. They're on the road at UCLA, on

963
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: the road at Utah, and they close out the year

964
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: with BYU, which we talked about earlier. So this is

965
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: not a great situation at all for Stanford football. What

966
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: represents a breakthrough, It's kind of hard to say, because

967
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: he did have Stanford during like the Andrew Luck and

968
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey and Bryce Love years had Stanford playing to

969
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 2: a PAC twelve North Slash Championship caliber level. So anything

970
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: short of that feels like it's it's not really much

971
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: of a breakthrough. However, they were playing at a Northwestern.

972
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: Level last year, which was really bad. Can they get

973
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: Can Stanford get bull eligible this year? I don't know

974
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: if I see it they can. I don't think they can.

975
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: Here.

976
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: If they can run an offense that's not just a

977
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: giant running back slamming into the line of scrimmage and

978
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: then throwing fades to giant tight ends, sure, if they

979
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: can evolve and figure out how to use guys as

980
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: creatively as they were able to use Christian McCaffrey. Oh,

981
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 1: by the way, very difficult to find a new version

982
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: of I get that. But short of that, no, the

983
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: lack of imagination in hiring the loyalty to coordinators, and

984
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: it's an admirable trait. But if you're fielding, would you

985
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: say sub hundred level offense and defense? Yeah, yeah, you're

986
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: an unserious program. You're an unseerious program about moving forward.

987
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: So I suppose progress would be David Shaw making changes

988
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff that reflect a desire to win

989
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: the North because right now, I don't know, we're just

990
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: doing more of the same and recruiting well to it.

991
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: So you're basically wasting a talented roster around philosophy. So

992
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: progress is creativity. Progress is eight wins because short of that,

993
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: I still think you're you're wasting what you have on

994
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: that roster.

995
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 2: Shay from our Verball or Discord wants to know what

996
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 2: a meaningful breakthrough looks like for UCLA.

997
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: Defense.

998
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, nine wins in defense. UCLA started off hot last

999
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: year beat LSU. Remember Remember we talked a lot about

1000
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: that game in the run up to.

1001
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: Sissy Blue, right, and that coach O Sissy Blue.

1002
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, ye talked a lot about that game and the

1003
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: run up to the season, and then when UCLA won

1004
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: the game and looked good doing it, it was a

1005
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 2: big deal, Like WHOA. I think I had that, by

1006
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: the way, like, yes, April, yeah you did. Yeah, you

1007
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 2: were all over that game. And as it got closer,

1008
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: I remember the point spread felt a little off, felt

1009
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: off to me, and that was my first tell that

1010
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 2: I was going to be wrong. I think I picked Ellis. Yeah, yeah,

1011
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,479
Speaker 2: and I was I was wrong. But look, UCLA needs

1012
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: to figure out its defense. I think I think it's

1013
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: pretty obvious. You looked at the UCLA schedule. How did

1014
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: you feel about it?

1015
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: I don't remember it off the top of my head.

1016
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 1: I'll bring it up. It just defense. It's that everything

1017
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: has I mean, I guess finding a go to receiver,

1018
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: which has been tough for them for Chip Kelly to

1019
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: find and develop, but they've got Okay, so they're on

1020
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: the road at Oregon. But otherwise, yeah, doesn't schedule kind

1021
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: of rule, it kind of rules. I mean, it's a tough,

1022
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: potentially tough stretch of Stanford's decent and if Washington's decent

1023
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: with Washington, Utah, Oregon, Stanford with I think there's a

1024
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: bye weekend there between Utah Oregon. Yeah, there is, but

1025
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 1: I don't know. They've used CLA at home and they're

1026
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: road games other than Oregon it's Arizona State, cal and Colorado.

1027
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: So this is a nine wins schedule. It's just you know,

1028
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: which DTR are you getting weak to week? Which secondary

1029
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: are you getting weak to week? Which linebackers getting beat

1030
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: up the middle? You're getting weak to week? That's the

1031
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: issue to me for UCLA. So yeah, progress for UCLA.

1032
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: They won eight games and finished with the top ten

1033
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: twelve offense nationally last year, running the hell out of

1034
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, defense in nine Okay, So are you

1035
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: a believer? Have I convinced you that Ucla can? No? No,

1036
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: you've convinced me that. Thank you.

1037
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: You've convinced me why or how they would make their breakthrough,

1038
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: but not that they will.

1039
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know. I feel like looking at this

1040
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: schedule and reminding myself we got bowling green? Is that

1041
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: is it? Alcorn State or Alabama State? Who's al state?

1042
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: Alabama State? Alabama State? Okay, so one, two, three, they

1043
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: should start four and oh, they should start four and

1044
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: oh with a hand tied behind their back. Washington's at home.

1045
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good about that. And Kaelin de Bord

1046
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: did just beat Ucla, so that's fine. So that's five

1047
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: and zero. Utah will count as a loss. Oregon on

1048
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: the road will count as a loss. Five and two

1049
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: Stanford at home should be away. They canon should. They

1050
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: needed to come back last year to do it, but

1051
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: it's at home this year. Six and two ASU on

1052
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: the road as you could be a nightmare bad by

1053
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: then seven and two Arizona eight and two USC. Let's

1054
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: say USC is good eight and three and Cal the

1055
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: week after. That's always tricky, but I think both of

1056
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: those teams have each other the week after rivalry games

1057
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: as nine wins. If they're able to win at Cal

1058
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: the high leverage point. The high leverage games are Cal

1059
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: and Washington probably Yeah. Over Under, by the way, is

1060
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: eight and a half. Yeah, so I guess. I mean

1061
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly is a good coach. They lose their offensive

1062
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: line coach who was very good. It's the co offensive coordinator,

1063
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: Justin Frye. He goes to Ohio State. They make the

1064
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: change at a decordinator. I don't know. They were pretty

1065
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: disappointing on defense. I think they can improve. If somebody,

1066
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: I think, what's the new DC's name, Bill Bill Masterson?

1067
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: Am I just making that name up? Am I just

1068
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: pulling two names out of thin air? You can, you

1069
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: can double check that. I think UCLA could be one

1070
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: of those quiet like we didn't even realize won nine

1071
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: games until mid February. I think they're a candidate for

1072
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: that Ucla DC Chip Kelly, come on, how close am I?

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Speaker 1: Bill McGovern, that's not bad. I got Bill Okay, UCLA.

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Speaker 1: If I just said UCLA hired a dude who sounded

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Speaker 1: like he was Gerald Ford's secretary of the Interior, I

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Speaker 1: was right, Bill McGovern, Bill Masterson, all right.

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Speaker 2: Well, we had a bunch of other ones come through here,

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Speaker 2: ranging from cal to Toledo, Missoo. We had West Virginia,

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Speaker 2: Boston College case, the East Carrolina USF Lunch that we

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Speaker 2: won't have time to get into. We would encourage you

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Speaker 2: all to hang around because we will be doing a

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Speaker 2: preview of all these teams in very short order. Dan

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Speaker 2: and I have already drawn up plans. Starting next month,

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Speaker 2: we're going to start diving into our previews. Have yet

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Speaker 2: to determine the actual format for set interviews, but we're

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Speaker 2: going to do our best to at least give you

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Speaker 2: a thirty thousand foot view that you can go to

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Speaker 2: your virtual or physical water coolers at the office and

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Speaker 2: have a discussion about all these teams, so you have

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Speaker 2: that to look forward to. We're going to commit all

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Speaker 2: these to memory, yes, and we will talk to.

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Speaker 1: These very points as we go through. But now as.

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Speaker 2: Preview mag to start to come out, as clearly preview

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Speaker 2: content is out there, we're starting to train our attention

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Speaker 2: on what the future has in store for many of

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Speaker 2: these teams, and if a breakthrough is at.

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Speaker 1: All possible, what that looks like. Would you like to

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Speaker 1: hear Gerald Ford's administration because they all sound like you know,

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Speaker 1: when you look at Wikipedia and you're looking at the coaches,

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Speaker 1: like you're like, oh, let's look at the history of

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Speaker 1: like Pitt football, Let's look at the history of you know,

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin football. Let's look at the history of whoever you know,

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Speaker 1: ASU football, because like, you know all the names from

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Speaker 1: like you know, eighties, nineties, but then you go back seventies,

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Speaker 1: sixties street, She's like, I don't know who was coaching there.

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Speaker 1: It's Gerald Ford's administration at all. It's like Edward Levi,

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Speaker 1: John Dunlop. Did John Dunlop coach at Oklahoma in the forties?

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Speaker 1: Maybe wasn't he Washington's offensive coordinator last year? Yeah, it's

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01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: pretty close. There was a secretary of the Interior Rogers

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Speaker 1: C B. Morton, Gerald Ford. If he's extremely problematic, I

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Speaker 1: apoliged funny. Yeah, Rogers Morton, Yeah, Rogers Morton was at

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Speaker 1: one point committed to Ole Miss to play quarterback, but

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Speaker 1: ran a foul of the law and started for three

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Speaker 1: years pretty productively at Samford. I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say sam Houston State, but yeah, Rogers, Rogers,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about to see b. But Rogers we

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Speaker 1: got in the administration. Yeah, uh, Tom klepp Clep Kleppie.

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Speaker 1: He was also interior. Sounds like an NC State type

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Speaker 1: of coordinator. Casper Weinberger SMU quarterback. Now Weinberger might throw.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's an SMU fit. Freddie Dent,

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Speaker 1: Freddy Dent now Frederick Dent, Elliott Richardson, got Earl Butts BTZ,

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Speaker 1: probably Simon, probably, but probably Butts. William Simon. William Simon

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Speaker 1: absolutely coached NC State in the nineteen thirties. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: had a hey day or you know what these guys

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Speaker 1: are a lot of these guys are names of coaches

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Speaker 1: who tried to take over for a legend and then

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Speaker 1: you look like three to nine four and four four

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Speaker 1: nine for you know Freddie Dan. Yeah, they were selling.

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Speaker 1: They were selling Ford's pretty quickly. After working as the

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Speaker 1: head coach at at you know, Duke or something. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bill McGovern, Bill Masterson pretty close. Not bad? All right?

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Speaker 1: How bad?

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Speaker 2: That would make me feel good for that guy over there,

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Speaker 1: On Madness at Home. We'll be back on Thursday. In

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