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Speaker 3: Have you Monday, everybody. Hope all of you guys are

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Speaker 3: having a great start to your week.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: The pivotal game of the NBA Finals tonight, series tied

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Speaker 3: seventy one combined points from Shay, Gilgess, Alexander and Jalen

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Speaker 3: Williams take a three to two lead in the series.

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Speaker 3: Colin Coward is joining us again. Colin, you and I

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Speaker 3: talked last after Game three, I believe about the rosters,

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Speaker 3: and we talked about how down the roster Indiana's pretty

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Speaker 3: top end on Oklahoma City can be tough to contend with.

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Speaker 3: And I thought both JDub and Shay were brilliant tonight.

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Speaker 3: What were your thoughts on game five?

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Speaker 1: Jalen Williams is such an interesting player. So he goes

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Speaker 1: to a small college, Santa Clara, and you know is

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Speaker 1: He worked really hard. I think both of his parents

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Speaker 2: And you and I have talked about this.

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Speaker 1: I always thought, because Chuck Holmgrin was he's a really

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Speaker 1: I always thought, because his body type is so unique,

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Speaker 1: And Jalen Williams is just such a natural easy score

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Speaker 1: not all of them are memorable.

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Speaker 2: It's just he just.

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Speaker 1: Fills the box like it's jumpers, it's touch. It's just

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Speaker 1: Like if I said close your eyes Jason twenty seven

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Speaker 3: I've talked about this concept with you before, but to me,

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Speaker 3: don't think it's a coincidence that TJ McConnell was awesome

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Speaker 3: And what Jdubb is is he is a big, strong

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's one of those guy. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about his comp tonight, and he's got

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Speaker 2: It's just disruptive.

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Speaker 1: We've We've seen Patrick Mahomes blown out twice in his career,

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Speaker 1: Indiana's just has just been disrupted, and they without Halliburton

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Speaker 2: There's no flow to their offense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought Shae was great again tonight. I thought,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's been interesting. He's had a couple of

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Speaker 3: to keep his teammates involved. Colin, they only attempted sixteen

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Speaker 3: a defensive juggernaut and like it's the two layer approach

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Speaker 1: I think Orlando looks at it and thinks, listen the

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Speaker 1: They're ready to play. And I thought, I think we

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Speaker 3: the problem is is when Franz and Paalo are together,

432
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,239
Speaker 3: they get guarded by similar players, big strong forwards, and

433
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 3: with Jalen Suggs, he never shot the ball well enough

434
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 3: for teams to really account for him in those actions.

435
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: If you, as Desmond Bain, as one of the best

436
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: shooters in the league, come flying off of a screen

437
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 3: with Paolo, you have no choice but to either switch

438
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 3: or to show, in which case Powlo will get better matchups,

439
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: He'll get more smalls to attack, he'll get more openings

440
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 3: to attack. I think it's just a really, really smart fit.

441
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,959
Speaker 3: John Moran on the other hand gonna be twenty six

442
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,719
Speaker 3: years old at the start of next season. I like,

443
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 3: I want to hear your take on the John Moran

444
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 3: Memphis situation.

445
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 2: Okay, so I feel vindicated, So I have been.

446
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 1: This has been one of my strongest NBA takes forever,

447
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: which is, if you're under six' four in this league

448
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: and have the ball in your hands a, lot if

449
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: you cannot Shoot John, wall you, Know, Westbrook Derek, Rose John,

450
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 1: morant you're going to have to drive to the basket

451
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: against bigger players and you're going to get hurt more.

452
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: Often if You're Steve nash Or Steph currian can, shoot

453
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: it can prolong your. Career you can do at you,

454
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: know you don't have to. Drive you get a lot

455
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: of no contact. Looks and my take On John morant, was,

456
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: YES i saw it was. SAID i thought he was

457
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: a poor Man's Dereck. Rose he's about fifty pounds less

458
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: Than Derek. Rose and you, KNOW i understand.

459
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: THE nba, media he's a highlight.

460
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: Player forget the maturity for a, second which Is i'm

461
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: never too hard on guys about. Maturity i'm much tougher

462
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: on football players because they're twenty three and twenty four years.

463
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: Old you bring twenty two year, old you bring eighteen

464
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: nineteen year old guys into THE, Nba, okay they're gonna screw,

465
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: up like the first couple of. Years just just build

466
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: in a really bad. Decision now With, jaw it was

467
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: worse than. That but for, me it wasn't the maturity

468
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: stuff because he's a. Kid it Was, okay he's wildly

469
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: he's wildly. Entertaining he's an incredible highlight, player but he's

470
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: not an effective. Shooter and by the, way the last

471
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: several years it's gotten worse and he's hurt more.

472
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: So he has aged very.

473
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: Quickly So i've never been a fan of hyper athletic

474
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 1: guards that aren't particularly good. Shooters, Now westbrook was so

475
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: athletic that he could be a poor. Shooter and you,

476
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: know he's bouncing around the league, now but he there's

477
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: just not a lot Of westbrook's. Historically And westbrook mostly is.

478
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: Healthy he's a sturdy he has a running. Back jaw's

479
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: NOT i, mean what's job one, eighty you, know one seventy,

480
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: Eight so he's. Spindily SO i just it's not THAT

481
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: i wasn't a. Fan he was a spectacular. Talent BUT

482
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: i think everybody in the league Thought zion And jaw

483
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: were going to take it, over and it's gonna be

484
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: a it's gonna be Bang caro AND sga and these.

485
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: PLAYERS i, mean it's just it's just interesting how much

486
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: maturity and hard work, matters you, KNOW.

487
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: JDW, sga Home.

488
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: GRIN i, mean it's just like really, focused, driven aspirational.

489
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: Players AND i think it was just too much too

490
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: soon form and he got banged. Up AND i Think,

491
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: memphis by the, trade is telling you we're going to start.

492
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: Over we're going to start and it's the right. Move

493
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: they can't. Compete we knew it this. Year it's the

494
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: right move By. MEMPHIS i actually like What memphis. Did

495
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: it's just they won't be very good for a couple of. Years.

496
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah you, know we were talking about power, earlier and

497
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: the one example of a guy who succeeded despite a

498
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: lack of power Is. Steph And steph is both a

499
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 3: great shooter and someone who has been consistently available to his.

500
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: Team he's been. Healthy, yeah. Yeah and the tricky thing

501
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: with Like john's going to be twenty six years old

502
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: at the start of next season and he's just straight

503
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: up not as good as he was three years. Ago,

504
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: like he's just not as good as at, basketball and

505
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 3: like this is the. Age twenty six to twenty seven

506
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 3: is typically the age when players, Peak Like tatum best

507
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: season of his career right at this, age this is

508
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: the age when everyone seems to kind of figure it.

509
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: Out it's where it's kind of where like the meeting

510
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: point of the mental part of the game and the

511
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: physical part of the. Game and from this point, forward

512
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: it's kind of like a trade. Off you get a little,

513
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: smarter a little more, skilled but you get a little less.

514
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 3: Athletic this is the, peak right and, instead like his

515
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: scoring volume Has like in twenty twenty, two takes his

516
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 3: team to within two wins of the conference, finals he's

517
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 3: going head to head With steph talking shit to him

518
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 3: having such a great breakout playoff. Run and ever since,

519
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: then his scoring volume has dropped every season since that,

520
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 3: year his efficiency has gone. Down he just posted his

521
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: two lowest games played totals of his career in the

522
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: last two. Seasons he's played fewer games in the last

523
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: two years than he did three years ago. Combined like

524
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 3: it's been a downward, trajectory and so if You're memphis

525
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: and you're looking at, it you just got four unprotected

526
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: first round picks From. Orlando there still is some, young

527
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: exciting talent on the, roster some guys Like Gigi jackson

528
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: that are, Interesting Zach edy that's. Interesting they have guys

529
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: in house that they can continue to develop and be,

530
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: fun but they can bring in a massive trove of

531
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: draft picks by Trading Moranton bain and just doing a full.

532
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: Pivot not to Mention Jaron, jackson WHO i think carries

533
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 3: a great deal of value somewhere around the. League and

534
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: SO i look at it as like a basically it's

535
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 3: a turning point For John. Rant you either got to

536
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: commit to him or you've got to get off the,

537
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 3: ship and the trade is a clear sign that they're

538
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: going to get off the. Ship not to mention like

539
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: they might look to TRADE. KCP i wouldn't be surprised

540
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: IF kcp gets moved to a contender at some point

541
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: in the next. SEASON i think it's Just memphis looking

542
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: at their situation and going, like we're sick of being

543
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 3: in this.

544
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: Business it's So.

545
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: Jaw is such a cautionary tale when you look at

546
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: at big stars that explode and then and then fall

547
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: off and don't eventually rise to the. Level it's always

548
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: kind of a maturity. Thing it's almost always that like

549
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: you just couldn't handle a, spot like Like zion couldn't

550
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: handle his. Weight wasn't it terribly focused. Player ZION i

551
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: thought was a tremendously just massive. Torque there's just nothing like.

552
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: HIM i Thought jaw was. Spectacular BUT i think it's

553
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: it's one of the REASONS i like nil. As kids

554
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: are going to stay in college and they're going to

555
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: be surrounded by non basketball, players and they're going to

556
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: be coached, hard and they'll go to class and it's

557
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: like a it's a it's a big broad life beyond

558
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: basketball and A g. League SO i, think And i've

559
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: talked about this multiple, TIMES i Think nil's were gonna

560
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: help THE nba and college basketball and you're gonna get more.

561
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: Guys The auburn player WHO J mack, Loves auburn's got

562
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: a guard that's. Explosive he's coming back To. Auburn he

563
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: could play in THE. Nba he'll make him a BETTER

564
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: nba player and a great college. Player so and some

565
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: of These european guys now are coming over to college.

566
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: Basketball SO i think the coaching in college basketball has

567
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: always been, excellent sometimes almost too, dogmatic, right like it's

568
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: just so coach. Oriented BUT i look At jaw AND

569
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 1: i think the story Of jaw is a little too,

570
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: much too, soon and just wasn't quite ready for the.

571
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: STAGE i, mean there was a moment in time where you,

572
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: thought for about a year maybe, two you're, Like, oh

573
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the face of the. LEAGUE i mean

574
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: that was about three years, ago and then it all just,

575
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: unraveled AND i don't think we need to face the.

576
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: LEAGUE i thought he for a while looked like. It

577
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: he just wasn't ready for. It it's a lot to

578
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 1: ask and he wasn't ready for.

579
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: It, yeah you know what happens in this. League it's

580
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: success is so short lived because people are coming for.

581
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: You you, know Like jannis looks like he climbs the

582
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: mountaintop in twenty twenty, one looks like he's gonna launch

583
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: this New, nope here Comes jokich and he's the. Problem

584
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: it's Like jah looks like he's about to climb the

585
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: mountaintop in twenty twenty. Two shay And ant have both

586
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 3: lacked him since they've kind of reached their collective. Ceilings and,

587
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: LIKE i, think you, KNOW i do believe In John.

588
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: MORANT i. Do he has a supreme athletic trait in

589
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: the ability to get. Downhill he actually is an underrated

590
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: shot maker close to the rim in terms of like

591
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: his floater and like little short. STUFF i do think

592
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: there's somebody that should probably consider taking a bet on

593
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: him or a chance on. Him AS i look. Around you,

594
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: know we're gonna talk ABOUT kd here in a second

595
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: AND kd as we're gonna talk about it in more

596
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: detailer in a. Second but the athletic is reported That

597
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: katie is preferring The, spurs which we'll get to in a.

598
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 3: Minute but Like, houston If houston can't GET, kd, like

599
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: would they consider a guy Like John? Morant is there

600
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: a team out there that has the that's in a

601
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: tough position that can afford to take that kind of,

602
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: risk maybe A sacramento a team that's been kind of

603
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: stuck in, Mediocrity, like is there a team out there

604
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: that is willing to take a risk on a guy like?

605
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: Him BECAUSE i do think the upside is their calling,

606
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: Like i've seen a lot of stuff over the last

607
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: couple of days ranking him at various points in the,

608
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: league AND i do think when he's, healthy he's still

609
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: like a right around the fourteenth or fifteenth best player

610
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: in THE nba because no one can keep him in.

611
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: Front he is an extremely talented. Player that's the frustrating

612
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: part is that it hasn't come. Together BUT i do

613
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: think that there's some somebody out there that's going to

614
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: take a chance on. Him but, ultimately whether or not

615
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: it works out is going to be whether or Not

616
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: jaw actually makes the changes that he needs. To like

617
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: you got to, improve like, you you have to develop

618
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 3: as a jump shooter to take it easier on your.

619
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: Legs if he develops as a jump, shooter it will

620
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: make his downhill drives more dynamic and less, frequent which

621
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: will help him stay healthier and available to his. Team

622
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: there is a real upside, there he just hasn't been

623
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: able to capitalize on.

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635
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: Kevin durant prefers The. SPURS i was not a huge

636
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,760
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637
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,000
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638
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,320
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639
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00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,719
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Speaker 1: Mean to, Me Wembin yama And Stefan castle are the. Team,

643
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: like that's nothing against De aaron And, vassal BUT i

644
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: think those two guys are all, stars one of them

645
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: ALL nba so AND i think they're just getting better.

646
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: FAST i Think i'm always cautious to Say Kevin durant

647
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: doesn't fit. ANYWHERE i think he fits. Everywhere like my

648
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: Wife olasa, says like salt works with, Everything like like

649
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: like my son was a, chef my step, Son it's, like, Yeah,

650
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: Bacon grease And butter work with.

651
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: Everything That's Kevin.

652
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: Durant like you can just find a spot for a

653
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: guy who's the best jump shooter at any given juncture

654
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: in the. League so AND i also Think kevin it

655
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: just kind of figures it.

656
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: Out you.

657
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: KNOW i don't always like his decision making on, teams

658
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: but even In, brooklyn he was the one THING i

659
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: liked about. It he was the one THING i mean In,

660
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: arizona In, phoenix it Was Bradley beale that drove us.

661
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: Nuts Kevin durant was giving me twenty six and twenty.

662
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: Seven i'm not disappointed with. Him i've been disappointed with you,

663
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: know his like team, selection BUT i just kind of

664
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: feel like he's water like he just he just kind

665
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: of floats and finds his. Level AND i think he'll fit.

666
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: Anywhere AND i also think you've got really smart Between

667
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: Chris paul and De Aaron, fox you have good guiters

668
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: on that team like really smart, guys and.

669
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: You can be a.

670
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: Really flawed team if you're. Intelligent we've talked about The

671
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: Miami heat like one of the smartest teams in league.

672
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: History it's Like, Alan, Lebron, Wade, Bosh battie A, Haslam

673
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: it's like she's high. Functioning they didn't have a. Center

674
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: chalmers drove everybody. Crazy wade And lebron kind of had duplicate,

675
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: games and you're, like, yeah they got the four straight,

676
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: finals like they just figured shit out. Right AND i

677
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: kind of feel like if you Put wemby and and

678
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: And It's fox and it's you'd have to move. OFF

679
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: i Think Harrison barnes we talked about, BEFORE i think

680
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: it was the BUT i, MEAN i just Think katie would.

681
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: WORK i think it would just. WORK i think. IT

682
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: i Think houston needs him. More BUT i MEAN i

683
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: think he looks At houston and, thinks all, right like Like, Sangoon,

684
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: YEAH i Mean, mpson is he a great offensive, player

685
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: yet he's more of an athlete defensive.

686
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: PLAYER i don't.

687
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: KNOW i THINK kd smart and looks at it and just, thinks,

688
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: MAN i could have bad shooting nights and we could

689
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: score one twenty eight In San, Antonio, LIKE i think

690
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: that's how he looks at.

691
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: It Maybe i'm, wrong you, KNOW.

692
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: I want to be. Clear just BECAUSE i say it's

693
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: not my favorite fit doesn't mean it can't. Work Like

694
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 3: i'm a big believer in don't overthink things like don't

695
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: Overthink Kevin durant next To Victor weinbinyama And Darren, Fox

696
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: like they're gonna score a lot of points and they're

697
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: gonna be able, to uh to get a certain number of.

698
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: Stops THERE'S i there is you were just talking about

699
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: With Desmond. Bain there's a reason Why Desmond baine's shooting

700
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: is so incredibly valuable in The orlando context on a

701
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: team that not only doesn't have a guy who can

702
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: make jump, shots but doesn't have a guy who can

703
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: make jump shots off the. Move so it's uniquely super

704
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: valuable to that. Team kd anchored by the physicality Of.

705
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: HUGHES i like the kind of like force multiplier effect

706
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: he could have. There that, said even in the context

707
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: Of San, antonio he's obviously a massive. Upgrade he's obviously

708
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: going to make them way. Better there's even like some

709
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: interesting stuff you could look at in the big, PICTURE

710
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: kd is like probably the best shooting workout guy in

711
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: the league to Pair Victor Webbin yama. With he's legendary

712
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: for the quality of his shooting, workouts him going game,

713
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: speed him working on shots that are specifically available IN

714
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: nba games off of certain. Actions kat is like a

715
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: legend in his workouts off the. Floor wemby's going to

716
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: be doing all those workouts with, him you know he,

717
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: is and it would lead to a certain development in

718
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: terms Of wemby's big picture. Health but it looks to

719
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: me more like less of a immediate contender juggernaut and

720
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 3: more of like kind of a fun place For katie

721
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: to end his career where he can go hand in

722
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: hand In. Wemby you, Know.

723
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: That's WHAT i. THINK i think kat looks at it

724
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: and thinks this would be. Fun is that it wouldn't

725
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: BE i wouldn't have to drop twenty eight, points would come.

726
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Easy AND i Think katie looks at it and, thinks,

727
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: okay Dearon. Fox you Know wemby the structure of the.

728
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: Organization they draft smart. Players they don't draft a lot of,

729
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: ego they don't draft a lot of. DUMMIES i Think

730
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: katie looks at himself and, Thinks, Okay houston's got. This

731
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff In houston That i'm not

732
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: sure it's ever going to be. Great in the, playoffs

733
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: it's a lot of hyper athleticism and length and running

734
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: AND i AND i and that's.

735
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 2: Fun BUT i THINK i don't think at this point

736
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: he wants to be a, mentor right LIKE i think

737
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: he wants to.

738
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: GO i Think i'll have some fun and play with

739
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: really smart, players highly functional, players and all put the

740
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: pressure on me to figure out WHERE i, fit you,

741
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: know like they don't need.

742
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: HIM i Think houston needs. HIM i think The knicks

743
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: could really use.

744
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: Him SO i, think you, KNOW i think FOR, kd

745
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: it IS i think you're it's. Perfect that would be.

746
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: Fun it would be fun for, him AND i think

747
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: it would be fun for.

748
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: Us it falls in line with the same ideology that

749
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: led him To Golden. State you, Know, like to your,

750
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: POINT kd could win a title In, houston but it

751
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 3: would be a chore and offense would come very. Difficult

752
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: he'd be facing crazy Looks, now the flip side of

753
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: that is he wouldn't have to be the same statistical

754
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: monster In houston that he would be in other situations

755
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: Because houston's defense is so good that he would just

756
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: need to basically lift them over the top on the

757
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: offensive end of the. Floor but there is something to

758
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: be said about basketball is more fun when the ball's

759
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: moving around and you're playing with more offensive skill and

760
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: when you LIKE. Kd if there's one weakness at this

761
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: point in his, career he doesn't pressure the rim a

762
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: ton well Dearon fox sure as hell does so like

763
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: he's going to get to play off of those advantages

764
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: and play off the ball like there is A kd

765
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: has told us to our faces exactly who he is for.

766
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: Years he loves basketball and he wants to play a

767
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: fun brand of. Basketball that's. Right and so even if

768
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: we look on it added on paper and, go Oh, houston, big,

769
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 3: strong physical, team they could anchor him with. Defense Emy

770
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: udoka is not the best offensive coach in the. World

771
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: that team doesn't have a lot offensive. Talent it would

772
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: be a lot Like Oklahoma city in twenty. Sixteen And

773
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: i'm thinking he looks at that and, Goes i'd rather play,

774
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 3: fun free flowing basketball with some more talented offensive. Players

775
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: and so with that being the. CASE i, Mean San

776
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: antonio is going to be a really interesting. Team if

777
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 3: they pulled something like this off all of a, sudden

778
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: a guy Like Jeremy sohan becomes super important because he'd

779
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: have to be such a defensive anchor for them in

780
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: terms of size and. Strength Stefan cassel obviously defensively as a,

781
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: guard would have to do a lot of that. Work,

782
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 3: Again i'm not sure THAT i would view That spurs

783
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 3: team as exceptionally, Dangerous but what a fun way For

784
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: wemby to start his career and what a fun way

785
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: For katie to end his.

786
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: Career, WELL i.

787
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: Think Also katie looks At lebron and Thinks lebron's always

788
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: figured it out Is lebron doesn't want to do a

789
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: lot of the dirty. Work like if he went To,

790
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Houston katie'd have to do some of the dirty. Work

791
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: he'd be, like he'd be Like steph And Golden, state

792
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: where it's, like, Oh steph plays, poorly that's the narrative

793
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: when they. Lose it's Not Jimmy butler And steph In.

794
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: Houston very quickly he would be because Because Jalen green's

795
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: a hot and cold, shooter and very quickly If houston,

796
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: loses it's, like, Well, katie you, know an off shooting, night.

797
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: We traded for. Him he was supposed to save us from.

798
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: This that's, right and it's just not the case In San.

799
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: Antonio he'll be Part AND i do think as players get,

800
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: older they're.

801
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: Looking for, fit and you know it's And i'm okay with.

802
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: THAT i think As i've, Aged i've always liked. Fit

803
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: it's just fun to be part of a, group a

804
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: mix of young and. Old but you don't want to

805
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: be a, mentor LIKE i.

806
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: Just don't Think.

807
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: Katie at this, POINT i think fun is a really

808
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: interesting word Because kyrie is fun to play. With that's

809
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: why he went there And Golden state no longer because of.

810
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: Relationships wasn't he wasn't having a good. Time he was,

811
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: Winning and so, Yeah i'm okay with.

812
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 2: It he's had an all time.

813
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,600
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Speaker 1: though what you're seeing right now in THE, NBA i

821
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: really like AND i know we don't have a super,

822
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: team but it's becoming like THE. Nfl it's a VERY

823
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: gm driven. League like the smart gms are going to.

824
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: WIN a lot of them are in The west and

825
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: they have been for thirty. Years that's why The west

826
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly top to, bottom always deeper than The.

827
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: East you just have more good owners and more good.

828
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: Gms and the other thing, IS i think what we've

829
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: really seen this there's a lot of maturity in the

830
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: league right. Now Like indiana And Oklahoma. CITY i, mean

831
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: these are grinding. OUTFITS i MEAN i Think indiana plays

832
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: pretty good. DEFENSE i mean, again juxtaposition With oka se

833
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: jecktposed to, that, well it doesn't look the. Same but

834
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: there was there was a in the second quarter in this.

835
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: GAME i was, Like, God india has given them. Problems

836
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: SO i JUST i think the league right now it

837
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: went through a cycle where it felt kind of you

838
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: had old stars and two young guys.

839
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: Like you, know and you had these jaws and These.

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00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: Zions it's like they're just not.

841
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: READY i just feel like we've got this group Of

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00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: halliburton AND sga And Jalen williams and and it's just

843
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: like really Good, tatum really good young, players totally dedicated

844
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: to the, league and fewer and fewer old guys are.

845
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: Relevant AND i think IT'S i Don't it may not get,

846
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: ratings BUT I I'M i really like okay see In,

847
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: Indiana LIKE i really respect top to bottom both.

848
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: Organizations the point about maturity is is a good one

849
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: because these two teams are relatively, young and young teams

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00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: young YOUNG nba teams famously don't play defense because young

851
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: guys in, general it takes time for them to learn

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00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: how to prioritize how they spend their. Energy but, YEAH

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Speaker 3: i you, Know I'm I'm i'm generally pretty happy with

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Speaker 3: edwards is musty. Television there are certain guys in this

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Speaker 3: to take some time over the next couple of years

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Speaker 3: for the public to kind of ingratiate themselves with these.

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Speaker 3: there's stuff they need to clean, up there's certain things

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Speaker 3: that can get. Better it's not. PERFECT i wish they'd

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Speaker 3: shortened the season a little, bit but like this has

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Speaker 3: been a fun playoff, Front. Colin i've really really enjoyed,

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Speaker 3: it and The pacers have like reinvigorated my love of

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Speaker 3: basketball in a real way just because of the just

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Speaker 3: a super super fun brand of basketball that they've. Play

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Speaker 3: i've really really enjoyed. It But, colin we really appreciate

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Speaker 3: you giving us your time. Tonight, man you bet for

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Speaker 3: all of you guys that are hanging out on the YouTube,

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Speaker 3: Done so playback dot tv Slash hoops. Tonight we'll take

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Speaker 3: some callers and watch some. Film. Colin it was good

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Speaker 3: to see, you, buddy and we'll see you next, time all,

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Speaker 3: Right jason

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