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Speaker 3: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 3: What do we have, Chrystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of interesting things that are happening

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Speaker 1: for us to comment on this morning. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you guys caught this RFK Junior with a big

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Speaker 4: Kind of worked out perfect for us.

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Speaker 1: Our focus results from our URFK Junior focus group are

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Speaker 1: also in, so we can tell you how voters are

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Speaker 1: thinking about his candidacy.

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Speaker 4: Super excited about that.

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Speaker 1: Also, you probably saw Biden dealt a legal victory but

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Speaker 1: a massive political blow by that special counsel that who

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Speaker 1: Missandling of classified documents a lot to say about that, and.

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Speaker 4: Interestingly, Hillary Rodham Clinton weighing in with.

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Speaker 1: A hot take on that one that you may not expect,

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Speaker 1: so we will react to that as well. Trump also

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Speaker 1: making some very noteworthy comments on NATO that have caught

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Speaker 1: Also making some very noteworthy comments about Taylor Swift. We

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Speaker 1: it was very interesting, it was sort of revealing. We'll

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Speaker 1: all of that. And at the same time, while we

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Speaker 1: were all watching the Super Bowl, Israel began their offensive

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Speaker 4: So we will show you the very latest there.

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Speaker 1: They are also saying that they were actually able to

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Speaker 1: rescue two hostages in what they considered to be a

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Speaker 1: you this morning. Before we get into any of that, though,

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Speaker 1: for making this RFK Junior focus group.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think you guys are really going to like it.

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Speaker 2: As we said, you guys are going to get full

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Speaker 2: this week we'll drop the full episode for you. It

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Speaker 2: and the general audience. If you want to first look

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Speaker 2: at that, if you want to see why people are

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Speaker 2: supporting RFK Junior in their own words with a major

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Speaker 3: But with that, let's go to the RFK Junior group.

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Speaker 1: So, I don't know how many of you guys watched

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Speaker 1: RK Junior with a big seven million dollar actually his

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Speaker 3: A young up to do well.

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Speaker 1: So I think that this was even though seven million

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Speaker 2: Sad for several reasons. Number one, didn't tell us anything

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Speaker 2: But he's a lot younger, unfortunately for than all of

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Speaker 2: it is. I cannot describe how powerful and emotive that

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Speaker 2: So the nostalgia, the being younger, the fat you know,

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Speaker 1: Junior focus group. Great to Caesar, So tell us a

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Speaker 10: Seven people who say that they are going to vote

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Speaker 10: AREFK junior in November from the suburbs of Detroit, so

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Speaker 10: time for a party candidate in.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, we have an initial sort of intro piece of

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Speaker 10: Kennedy Jr. Now, one by one, I won't you just

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Speaker 7: That his announcement was phenomenal. I thought it was one

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Speaker 11: I also saw the pitch for his campaign opening, but

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Speaker 12: Legacy and the name, and for change and for the people.

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Speaker 14: himself in his legal profession standing up to big Pharmah

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Speaker 3: Like, dang, that would that would probably be really cool.

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Speaker 15: You know, to come back like the bushes, you know.

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Speaker 15: Now it's to Kennedy's I think it would be a

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Speaker 15: everything is going down. He will probably help the economy

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Speaker 16: I didn't actually know about him until a random episode

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Speaker 16: of Joe Rogan. He was on it, and I actually

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Speaker 16: for the most part, that's a lot of integrity.

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Speaker 10: There are some suggestions that the Trump team might have

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Speaker 16: He would sway me more to accepting Trump because I

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Speaker 10: Put your hand up if you think if it would

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so they were basically split into thirds between people

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Speaker 10: a really quite diverse group. There were quite a pragmatic

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: You asked them a good bit about his vaccine stance

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Speaker 1: by that pragmatism that you had people who had different

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Speaker 10: Arth Keajuniors said Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates may have

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Speaker 7: I think that ERFK did his homework. All they did

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Speaker 13: That's to me a speculation, just like they speculated that

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Speaker 3: Do they know that.

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Speaker 10: What's your personal views of those vaccines? Were they in

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Speaker 3: I was against them.

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Speaker 7: It was such a push on something that was not tested,

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Speaker 12: I was really against vaccinations until my mother screamed at

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Speaker 3: I think it's individual.

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Speaker 13: You know, big corporation can't say either the vaccine you

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Speaker 13: don't work for us anymore, you know, I think totally wrong,

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Speaker 14: Well, I've had family members die from COVID, so in

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Speaker 16: I took one dose and I had a very very

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Speaker 16: My father died in care after getting COVID. What they

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Speaker 16: did is they induced, put them on a ventilator, gave

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Speaker 16: His sister Mitham MILLI exact same way with Trump and

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Speaker 16: They're both culpable for how all of that was handled.

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Speaker 16: They would both rather be dismissed and ignored. And he's

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Speaker 3: A politician is telling the truth about COVID well.

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Speaker 7: I don't think Trump was informed. I don't think Biden's

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Speaker 14: Fauci is a politician. He's also had special interests, personal

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Speaker 14: I thought, you know, he meant well, I told you

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Speaker 2: You have gained notoriety for your skepticism about vaccines, and

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Speaker 3: Do you still believe that? I never said so stop me.

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Speaker 3: We have the clip.

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Speaker 4: Please play the clip.

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Speaker 5: Play the whole clip.

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Speaker 3: I just talked about that. The media slanders you by

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Speaker 3: not anti vaccine, you're pro safe vaccine. Difficult question. Can

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Speaker 5: I think some of the live iris vaccines are probably

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Speaker 5: of earning more problems than their causing. There's no vaccine

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Speaker 4: So you did say it.

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Speaker 3: Do you still believe it?

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Speaker 5: Well, here's what Here's what I Here's what I would say.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I'm not anti vaccine.

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Speaker 8: How is that statement not anti vaccine?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's I can say right now there's no because

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Speaker 5: are proven safety. And what I meant, which was a

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Speaker 10: How do we feel he came across that he was

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Speaker 11: What do we think I think he should say what

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Speaker 11: You don't know how it's going to react with you

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Speaker 13: He seemed a little uneasy. He said it, he said,

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Speaker 16: I'd rather his approach of overcaution then reckless abandon.

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Speaker 10: If there was another global pandemic, you know, a real

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Speaker 14: Yeah, if there's a situation that like previously, where they

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Speaker 3: But he would pay attention.

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Speaker 1: So much about that that's interesting. First of all, it

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Speaker 4: At this point, there was.

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Speaker 1: More of just like Kennedy nostalgia and I want something different.

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Speaker 4: That did raise the question in my mind that.

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Speaker 1: If more of this was played, if there was more

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Speaker 1: sort of like oppositional ads against him, et cetera, that

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Speaker 1: you may actually move some of these people off of him,

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Speaker 1: if they had more awareness of what his positions were.

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Speaker 4: What do you think of that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, three things came across from that.

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Speaker 1: For me.

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Speaker 10: The first is that I think, certainly there is a

455
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Speaker 10: bit of a It's not their most important issue in

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Speaker 10: terms of, you know, they're not necessarily going to turn

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Speaker 10: away from Urk Junior because of it. But I do

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Speaker 10: think we need to remember that these are people who

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Speaker 10: are FK Junior already has. You know, these are sort

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Speaker 10: of his ten percent or so in the polls at

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Speaker 10: the moment. If he wants to grow that base, then

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Speaker 10: that could be a problem, even though these guys are

463
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Speaker 10: pretty much okay with it. I think the second point

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Speaker 10: is that the thing they didn't like about the clip

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Speaker 10: was not so much a substance, but something we always

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Speaker 10: see in these focus groups, which was this sense that

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Speaker 10: he was being a bit of a classic politician. He

468
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Speaker 10: was dodging the day exactly, and that is exactly why

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Speaker 10: they like RFK Junior because they don't think he's like that.

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Speaker 10: So if they see clips like that, So if I was,

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Speaker 10: you know, the Biden or Trump campaign, I'd be compiling

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Speaker 10: clips of him looking like a politician rather than you know,

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Speaker 10: the populace sort of you know, sort of favorite that

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Speaker 10: they currently see him as.

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Speaker 16: The third thing, and I.

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Speaker 3: Think this is important.

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Speaker 10: I think this is what these focus groups let 'us see,

478
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Speaker 10: is that you hear a lot about how RFK Junior

479
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Speaker 10: supporters are. You know, they're crazy, they're cranky, they're conspiracy theorists.

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Speaker 3: These people's views on the vaccine.

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Speaker 10: People listening and viewing might not necessarily agree with them all,

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Speaker 10: but they were reasoned from personal experience positions to take.

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Speaker 3: And I just think that.

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Speaker 1: Is talking about like Bill Gates from microships and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, there's a listen.

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Speaker 4: I think everybody should have a choice.

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Speaker 1: You know, people who said, look a net benefit, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was very for it in the beginning, especially I

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Speaker 1: lost loved ones because of COVID. That jumped down at

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Speaker 1: me as well, because that was one of my questions

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Speaker 1: going into the focus group was how much are these

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Speaker 1: people who have a die hard commitment to this issue

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Speaker 1: or another issue that RFK has champion and how much

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Speaker 1: of it are they just, you know, people who are

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Speaker 1: looking for an alternative to two really shitty choices at

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Speaker 1: this point, and by and large, I think it's the ladder.

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Speaker 2: The ladder jumped out at me too, James, give us

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Speaker 2: a taste of some of the we're going to keep

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Speaker 2: debuting clips and all of these other things. What were

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Speaker 2: some other moments that really jumped out to you that

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Speaker 2: were really noteworthy that our audience can look for and

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Speaker 2: pick up on.

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Speaker 10: I think the big one, and on that subject of

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Speaker 10: what are the deal breaker issues is RFK Junior's position

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Speaker 10: on Israel. And they broadly knew that he was very

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Speaker 10: pro Israel, and some and for a lot of them,

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Speaker 10: that did not coincide with their views. They had more

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Speaker 10: of the view that perhaps the Israeli response have been

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Speaker 10: a little bit too disproportionate, that they felt that America

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Speaker 10: shouldn't be involved in funding Israel or in ded Ukraine.

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Speaker 10: So that was an interesting example of where you know,

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Speaker 10: views rubbed up against there. The interesting thing there that

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Speaker 10: was though they would rather RFK Junior just let his

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Speaker 10: views be known and say agree with me if you

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Speaker 10: want to disagree with me if you don't, because rather

516
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Speaker 10: than you know him, try and fudge a position on

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Speaker 10: on on his actual views. So that's the lesson for

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Speaker 10: RFK Junior on this. You are running as an insurgent,

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Speaker 10: you are running as the anti politician. Make sure that

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Speaker 10: you continue to continue to be that. You saw him

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Speaker 10: trying to get that across in that Super Bowl ad,

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Speaker 10: and I think if we'd have you know, the people

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Speaker 10: who went and focus group that so super Bowl ad,

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Speaker 10: they could have done it from our focus group because

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Speaker 10: the messages they were looking for were exactly the same,

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Speaker 10: leaning in on the brand and leaning in on independence.

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Speaker 10: Someone new in the field rather than the old.

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Speaker 3: Politicians ran nostalgia.

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Speaker 2: It's not political, it's more of a rejection of the

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Speaker 2: existing choice vote independent being very strong.

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Speaker 1: My last question for you, James, which may be a

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Speaker 1: difficult one to answer, but I'm just curious as a

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Speaker 1: polster what your thoughts on this are there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of debate about who RFK quote unquote takes more votes

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Speaker 1: from right. Some of his issues code more right wing,

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Speaker 1: on vaccines, on Ukraine, on quote unquote cancel culture, and

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Speaker 1: early on his favorability was higher with Republicans than it

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Speaker 1: was with Democrats. I think that continues to be the case. However,

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Speaker 1: he is a Kennedy and when you actually look at

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Speaker 1: the polling that comes out, it kind of seems like

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Speaker 1: a wash. Which candidate he helps or hurts the most,

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Speaker 1: and it kind of varies poll to poll. So do

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Speaker 1: you have a sense, after talking to these individuals, whether

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Speaker 1: Biden or Trump should be more concerned about an RFK

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Speaker 1: junior candidacy.

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Speaker 3: I think it's both of them.

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Speaker 10: Our most recent national poll showed that it was exactly

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Speaker 10: the same po coming coming from both Trump and Biden,

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Speaker 10: And when you look at the voters he can grow into,

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Speaker 10: it's also both. Who would I know, if you really

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Speaker 10: had to push me, who would I say we most concerned?

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Speaker 10: I would say Biden And that's just because he's got

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Speaker 10: slightly lower approval ratings than Donald Trump and.

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Speaker 1: Weaker supporters, Like weaker support is Trump, people freaking love

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Speaker 1: the guy. Biden people are like, he's fine, I guess.

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Speaker 10: And then you know he is the disenchantment candidate RFK Junior,

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Speaker 10: and therefore the candidate who people are most disenchanted by

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Speaker 10: has the most to lose.

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Speaker 3: That's a really smart point.

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Speaker 2: It's about negative polarization for a lot of Biden support,

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Speaker 2: so that can be split very much with RFK and James.

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Speaker 2: You did a fantastic job as always. We really appreciate

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Speaker 2: you GLP partners and all this for doing this with us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely disenchantment candidate. I think that's why I like that phrase.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to steal that one.

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Speaker 4: Great to see.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So as you guys, also thanks to Crystal, she

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Speaker 2: broke this all down for you. We had an extraordinary

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Speaker 2: report on Thursday afternoon when the Special count the Department

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Speaker 2: of Justice came out with a report that President Biden

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Speaker 2: cannot face trial for his wilful negligence on classified document

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Speaker 2: storage because he's too old and infirm and no jury

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Speaker 2: would convict a man who had forgotten when his own

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Speaker 2: son had died.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: President Biden appears was very ticked off by that response,

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Speaker 2: and he gave his first press conference in quite some

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Speaker 2: time to try and to lay concerns about his age,

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Speaker 2: and it went well, it was interesting.

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Speaker 17: Let's take a listen, thank you, and I'll take some questions,

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Speaker 17: President Biden.

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Speaker 6: Something the Special Counsel said in his report is that

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Speaker 6: one of the reasons you were not charged is because,

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Speaker 6: in his description, you are a well meaning elderly man

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Speaker 6: with a poor memory.

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Speaker 17: I'm well meeting and I'm an elderly man, and I

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Speaker 17: know what the hell I'm doing. I'm in President. I

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Speaker 17: put this country back on his feet. I don't need

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Speaker 17: his recommendation.

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Speaker 9: It's totally your memory.

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Speaker 6: And can you continue?

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Speaker 17: It's President, my memory is so bad, I let you speak.

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Speaker 17: That's that's that's worse. My memory is not got. My

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Speaker 17: memory is fine. My memory. Take a look at what

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Speaker 17: I've done since I become president. None even thought I

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Speaker 17: could pass any of the things I got passed.

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Speaker 3: How'd that happen?

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Speaker 17: You know? I guess I just forgot.

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Speaker 3: What was going on.

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Speaker 4: For months when you were at about their age, you would.

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Speaker 1: Respond with the words, watch me while any American people

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Speaker 1: have been watching and they have expressed concerns about your age.

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Speaker 17: That is your judgment. That is your judgment the public.

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Speaker 17: That is not the judgment for the press. It's initially

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Speaker 17: the President of Mexico CCI did not want to open

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Speaker 17: up the gate to allow humanitarian material to get in.

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Speaker 17: I talked to him. I convinced to open the gate.

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Speaker 3: He convinced him to open the gate.

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Speaker 2: And a person he's talking about there, Crystal, the President

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Speaker 2: of Mexico CC, he means the President of Egypt. So

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Speaker 2: in a press conference to a lay concerns about his

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Speaker 2: age and confused the president of Mexico and of Egypt,

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Speaker 2: which you know, maybe in a one off situation you

615
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Speaker 2: can forgive it. But in a scenario like this where

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Speaker 2: he the Special Council of selves as he literally forgot

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Speaker 2: wherein his own son died, that he appeared to be confused,

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Speaker 2: that he appeared not to have a well big grasp

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Speaker 2: of what was going on.

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Speaker 3: That's simply extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: And you know, these are basic facts like they're trying

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Speaker 2: to go after, and we'll show people in a bit

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Speaker 2: attacks on the Special Council. He either forgot or he

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Speaker 2: didn't forget whenever his son died, Like it's a very

625
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Speaker 2: basic thing. And look, I know this sounds awful and

626
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Speaker 2: it's mean, but he's the one in trying to ask

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Speaker 2: us to entrust him with four or five years more

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Speaker 2: in office. I'm sorry, you know, these concerns just simply

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Speaker 2: have to be voiced, or we're all going to feel

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Speaker 2: like we're taking crazy pills.

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Speaker 1: ABC News Episodes has a new pull out eighty six

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Speaker 1: percent of American survey I think President Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: too old to serve at another term eighty six percent.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps the problem isn't with the Special Council, right, Perhaps

635
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Speaker 1: eighty six percent of Americans are not insane and delusional.

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Speaker 1: They can see right what is right in front of

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Speaker 1: their faces and sager, you're exactly right. Listen, we need misspeak.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it doesn't mean necessarily you have dementia, but when

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Speaker 1: you look at the pattern, yes, we're talking about Just

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00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks, this man has cited

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Speaker 1: two different foreign leaders that have been long dead in

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Speaker 1: stories that supposedly just happened, Mitterrand who died in the

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Speaker 1: nineties and Helmut Cole, who died some six seven years ago. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just that he forgot, you know, within several

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Speaker 1: years when his son passed. He also couldn't say when

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Speaker 1: he was even vice president of the United States. There

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Speaker 1: were some other details there that got a little bit

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Speaker 1: less attention, which to me are just as significant, which

649
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Speaker 1: is he couldn't remember which side of an issue a

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Speaker 1: key ally was on. He couldn't explain the details of

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Speaker 1: debates around Afghanistan, something that he, you know, was once

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Speaker 1: incredibly well versed in. You know, I almost feel like

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Speaker 1: I don't even have to say these things because obviously

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Speaker 1: eighty six percent of American people already see it in

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Speaker 1: the front of their eyes. In terms of the political

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Speaker 1: choice of this press conference, of course, it ends up

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Speaker 1: in complete disaster because of the mix up of the

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Speaker 1: Mexican and Egyptian president. He had, you know, incredibly pissed off, cranky,

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Speaker 1: old man energy. I think it probably would have been

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Speaker 1: wiser if he was up to actually sitting for the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl interview, rather than in this reactionary way coming

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Speaker 1: out and trying to give a press conference to prove

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Speaker 1: you're not senile, which is, you know, not a great

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Speaker 1: position to take it. You could see the press was

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Speaker 1: really out for blood. They were gunning for him, They

666
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Speaker 1: went all in. If he was able to competently handle

667
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Speaker 1: himself during the Super Bowl interview, that would probably have

668
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Speaker 1: been a better approach, but there's a reason why he.

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Speaker 4: And his team opted not to do that.

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Speaker 1: Either he or his team or both have zero confidence

671
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Speaker 1: that he would actually be able to handle that task.

672
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Speaker 1: So you just look at this and you're like, what

673
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Speaker 1: the hell are we doing here?

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Speaker 4: It is complete insanity.

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Speaker 1: And then I just want to say, on the substance

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Speaker 1: of the Special Council report, you know, I think it's

677
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Speaker 1: entirely fair for Democrats to say Trump's mishandling of classified

678
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: documents was more egregious, There was more clear, appears to

679
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: be more clear wilful intent in terms of moving documents

680
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Speaker 1: around and hiding in them. All of that, and the

681
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Speaker 1: level of classification may have been higher. I think all

682
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Speaker 1: of that is incredibly fair. But I also think it

683
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: is quite apparent that the standard that Biden is being

684
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Speaker 1: held to, well, this.

685
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Speaker 4: Is a cenail man, what are you gonna do? Can't

686
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Speaker 4: charge him?

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Speaker 1: And the standard that anyone else in the government with

688
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Speaker 1: this level of mishandling of classified documents would be held

689
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Speaker 1: to are two totally different things. And so frankly, I

690
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: think it's outrageous that these people in power get a

691
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Speaker 1: pass for things that other ordinary workers within the government

692
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Speaker 1: or ordinary service members would not be allowed to get

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Speaker 1: away with Look.

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Speaker 2: At the Discord guy they got, Yeah, he was an idiot,

695
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: a right lead to stuff on discord.

696
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Speaker 3: He's god to go jil for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 3: He's probably gonna die in prison, all right.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't even you know, they look literally anyway

699
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Speaker 1: nobody else.

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Speaker 3: I mean during the Hillary case, I covered a couple

701
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Speaker 3: of guy.

702
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Speaker 2: There was a guy with a nuclear submarine and he

703
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: accidentally leaked a photo or whatever, same thing. He was

704
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Speaker 2: thrown up in jail. This is the Trump campaign used

705
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Speaker 2: to talk about it all the time. If you read

706
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Speaker 2: the report, as you said, Biden's main defense is, oh.

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Speaker 3: It's my Staf's fault. It's like, it wasn't your Staf's fault.

708
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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: The report, Clay lays out very very clearly that you

710
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Speaker 2: willfully told biographers just as Trump did. Quote that's probably classified,

711
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Speaker 2: but whatever, I mean, we don't have to get into it,

712
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Speaker 2: because the real main takeaway is not about the documents.

713
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Speaker 2: It's that you are so old you could not remember

714
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Speaker 2: basic facts about your life presented defense and the Department

715
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Speaker 2: of Justice has concluded that you cannot stand trial and

716
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Speaker 2: yet he wants to run the country. And so MSNBC,

717
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: what is their cope, what they could possibly.

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Speaker 3: Come up with?

719
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Speaker 2: Well, they've certainly come up with a new narrative. Let's

720
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Speaker 2: take a lesson.

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Speaker 18: Now that we have this closed and final report. Her

722
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Speaker 18: looks like the Trump holdover prosecutor. Here looks like having

723
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Speaker 18: gotten the thing that helps you get the most facts possible,

724
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Speaker 18: a timely interview with a very busy and very legally

725
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Speaker 18: protected figure, the President the United States, and having gotten

726
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Speaker 18: the answers that helped him reach the conclusion that there

727
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Speaker 18: was no crime. He then started to cherry pick the

728
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Speaker 18: interview for his spin on basically what he perceives to

729
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Speaker 18: be mister Hurd's opinion, derogatory information. I think Lawrence hit

730
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Speaker 18: it on the head, and it bears repeating that it.

731
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Speaker 3: Is standard ops to say. I don't recall that.

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Speaker 18: The former president in other cases recently has said it

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Speaker 18: and many If you want to get to the age thing,

734
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Speaker 18: because this is let's call it what it is. This

735
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Speaker 18: is agism snuck into a report clearing the person of

736
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Speaker 18: any wrongdoing. If you want to get into the agism,

737
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Speaker 18: young people are told all the time by their lawyers, Hey,

738
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Speaker 18: you're way better off leaning into I don't recall, than

739
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Speaker 18: possibly misstating something to a federal officer or under oath

740
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Speaker 18: in this case.

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Speaker 19: Is that the fact of his age is not something

742
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Speaker 19: you can rebut he can't be you can't tact to

743
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Speaker 19: if someone says you're too far left, you can tack

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Speaker 19: to the center.

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Speaker 3: There's no the man is eighty years old.

746
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Speaker 2: He rides a bike, but he is the age he is, and.

747
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Speaker 3: So it's a very useful political attack for that.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 19: Along with the legal conclusion comes this flood of characterizations,

750
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Speaker 19: factual mistation, and pejorative comments about the president that are

751
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Speaker 19: inconsistent with DOJ policy and norms, and that, as you

752
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Speaker 19: see over the last forty eight hours, have been widely

753
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Speaker 19: criticized by legal experts.

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Speaker 3: This is not what prosecutors do. It is shoddy work product.

755
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Speaker 3: It's shoddy work product.

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Speaker 2: I mean, did I not live through a whole work

757
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Speaker 2: cycle of these people can do no wrong, and their

758
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Speaker 2: heroes and anyone who questions them.

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Speaker 3: Was above the No one is above the law. How

760
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Speaker 3: many times we have that drum doing to us.

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Speaker 2: Now they're attacking him apparently because the man can ride

762
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Speaker 2: a bike. Listen, I've seen a lot of eighty year

763
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Speaker 2: olds on a bike.

764
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Speaker 3: They're on freaking retirement.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they're not asking us to be run for re

766
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Speaker 2: election for access to the nuclear codes where they're forget.

767
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Speaker 2: Whether they forget something or not does not have world

768
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Speaker 2: altering consequences. Like you, I feel nuts having to even

769
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Speaker 2: articulate this because the vast majority of people.

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Speaker 3: Agree with me, but apparently I do.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're living in an area where they call

772
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Speaker 2: it agism. That's not agism. It is a basic acknowledgment

773
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Speaker 2: of reality. You could sling insults and all that if

774
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Speaker 2: you want, but you know the way the jiu jitsu

775
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: these people are trying to use to to make themselves

776
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Speaker 2: okay with this, it's just crazy. Just admit the truth. Well,

777
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: just say you hate Trump so you don't care anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the layers of cope are just sort

779
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Speaker 1: of entertaining to me. I was interested to see what

780
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Speaker 1: would happen here, and I think they just realized, like,

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Speaker 1: we got no choice but to circle the wagons at

782
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Speaker 1: this point because it's too late to do anything else.

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Speaker 1: So there was a moment right when the report dropped,

784
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Speaker 1: and then when Biden gave that presser where it was like, oh,

785
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Speaker 1: are they going to actually they going to actually try

786
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Speaker 1: to do something here? Are they going to actually try

787
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Speaker 1: be honest about, you know, the state of the president

788
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Speaker 1: and whether or not he has a chance at beating

789
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and whether this is actually the best candidate

790
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Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party to put forward. But nope, said,

791
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Speaker 1: they decided to go in the total opposite direction and

792
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: completely circle the wagons. And the reason why the cop

793
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Speaker 1: is so amusing to me is because, on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: it's it's agism and how dare you questions age?

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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, they're going to great lengths to

797
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Speaker 1: find Trump misspeaking, which she's been doing a lot lately too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he is it is true, he is also

799
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Speaker 4: an old man.

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Speaker 1: But so it's like, okay, so are they both snile?

801
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Speaker 1: Is it okay to criticize this one's age but not

802
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: that one's age. Is Joe Biden actually totally fine?

803
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Speaker 4: Or is he?

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Speaker 1: You know, is Trump having the same type of mental lapses?

805
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: And so you know, we're just supposed to say, well,

806
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Speaker 1: I guess we have no choice but to elect some

807
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Speaker 1: senile president or another. It's pretty incredible what's going on

808
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: right now. But I mean we did see this before

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00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: soccer with Diane Feinstein, and yeah, I was much less

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Speaker 1: important as one single senator in a state that is

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Speaker 1: going to be democratic, whether it was her or someone else.

812
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Speaker 1: And the lengths that Pelosi in particular was willing to

813
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Speaker 1: go to to cover up the extent of her decline

814
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Speaker 1: for years and years and years, all the way up

815
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Speaker 1: until the very end where this lady is casting both

816
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Speaker 1: just before while she should be on her deathbed and

817
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Speaker 1: literally dying.

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Speaker 4: What was it that day or the next day.

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Speaker 1: It was astonishing that they were willing to go to

820
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Speaker 1: those lengths and deny reality that was right in front

821
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Speaker 1: of the faces of the American people. So it shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be surprised that they would be willing to sink to

823
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Speaker 1: those steps with this president as well.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons I went so hard on the

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Speaker 2: pain on that and on McConnell as well as y

826
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Speaker 2: as I can tell, there's a standard being set right,

827
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Speaker 2: They're all protecting each other, and it's like Feinstein at

828
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Speaker 2: a certain point she had that. One of the reasons

829
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Speaker 2: to go as hard there is because she was genuinely

830
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Speaker 2: on the verge of death, like she came back at

831
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Speaker 2: the risk of her own legacy.

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Speaker 3: The people around her were all popping her up.

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Speaker 2: McConnell is the same way the man is frozen twice

834
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Speaker 2: on camera and we're all just supposed to like move

835
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Speaker 2: past that, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I guess it's cool.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's the same age as the president, by

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Speaker 2: the way, and same here with Biden.

839
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Speaker 3: Just look at him, literally, look at him.

840
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Speaker 2: I mean, did you see how long it takes him

841
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Speaker 2: to open a single page.

842
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: Again, I'm sorry that this sounds mean.

843
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: It's not person it's about the fact that he wants

844
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Speaker 2: to run the country. He's the one who's confusing the

845
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Speaker 2: president of Mexico with Egypt in the middle of a

846
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: literal international crisis. And if people want to see the

847
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: cope also that people are coming up with, let's put

848
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Speaker 2: this up there. Just just take a look at some

849
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: of these, they say. Just Joe Scarborough MSNBC. He couldn't

850
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Speaker 2: indict Biden legally, so he tried to indict Biden politically.

851
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Speaker 2: Oh really, because actually the entire thing was about how

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Speaker 2: he could have indicted him legally, but that no jury

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Speaker 2: would convict him.

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Speaker 3: Matt Iglesius quote, this is fucking bullshit.

855
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Speaker 2: You appoint a Republican special counsel to investigate, he investigates,

856
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: the investigation does not reveal a crime. So instead of

857
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Speaker 2: saying all good, he goes off and does partisan political

858
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Speaker 2: hits another, Oh, y'all are so funny, dunking on an

859
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Speaker 2: eighty one year old's poor memory, like you don't use

860
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Speaker 2: a password manager, lose your phone anywhere from six to

861
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Speaker 2: thirty times a day, and dig the pizza box out

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Speaker 2: of the garbage to check bake time.

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Speaker 3: And then, my.

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Speaker 2: Personal favorite contrarian take today's report dramatically lowers expectations of

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Speaker 2: Biden's abilities, lowering the bar for what he needs to

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Speaker 2: do is succeed incoming appearances. All of these are completely crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how much lower can the bar even be?

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Speaker 2: What are we talking about here? You know, in terms

869
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Speaker 2: of the American.

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Speaker 1: Loans for our presidents to have a super low bar

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Speaker 1: eighty six inspiration.

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Speaker 2: Eighty six percent say he's too old eighty six percent.

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Speaker 3: Now let me say this, that doesn't mean.

874
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Speaker 2: A lot of people want to go to vote for him.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are probably still going to vote

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Speaker 2: for him. A lot of people will say, ie, Trump

877
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: enough that I'm willing to take the risk. I think

878
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: that's nuts, but hey, you know, you do what you want.

879
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: My point, though, is just that you the age question itself.

880
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: Think about the standard we are setting America from all

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Speaker 2: the way at the top, where Chuck Schumer, who is

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Speaker 2: seventy six is the spring Chicken, and Senate leadership.

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Speaker 3: It's totally crazy.

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Speaker 2: Even you know, Nancy Pelosi, the shadow leader of the

885
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: Democratic Party, eighty one, Mitch McConnell freezing twice, Trump, Biden, everybody,

886
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: I mean, all of these people are basically I mean,

887
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: in some cases they're older than grandparents of people who

888
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: can vote today. That's just something where we need to

889
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: really internalize what that standard, as you said, about the

890
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: actual bear for the president should be, and that that's

891
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: how you have institutional collapse, degradation, and well that's you know,

892
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: things are going to happen if Biden gets re elected,

893
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: which had not happened since Franklin Roosevelt was reelected for

894
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: a fourth term where he could basically stop, not stop

895
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: drooling out of the left side of his mouth, and

896
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: they rolled him all the way up to the mic

897
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: just to make sure they could go him over and

898
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: By the way, we've passed a new constitutional amendment to

899
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: say that can never happen again in terms of just

900
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: you know, rolling having a popular president just continue to

901
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: get re elected over and over again.

902
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: Well the coke from Jonathan Chait and his has been okay.

903
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: Next level is that, well, Reagan was c now, so

904
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: it's fine. Reagan was c now on the second term,

905
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: So Biden c now and the second home, Eh, what

906
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: are you going to do? We just have the AIDS

907
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: take over because we're all voting for the presidential aids. No,

908
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: we're voting for this individual person to be the leader

909
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: of the country, supposedly the most powerful person on the planet,

910
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: commander in chief. It is I just it's hard for

911
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: me around my head around how.

912
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: We got here.

913
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: It really truly is.

914
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: There was another poll that I think is maybe the

915
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: most devastating poll I have seen for Joe Biden yet

916
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: the eighty six percent saying is too old.

917
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 4: That's really bad.

918
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: But NBC News ask voters how the Biden and Trump

919
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: administrations had matched up with their expectations. Only fourteen percent

920
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: said Biden was better than expected. Forty two percent said

921
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: worse than expected. Trump it's almost reversed. Forty percent actually

922
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: said that he was better than expected, and twenty nine

923
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: percent said worse than expected. And the numbers with independence

924
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: are even more lopsided. So the reason this is devastating

925
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: is because, you know, as perhaps memories have faded of

926
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: what the Trump arrow was like, et cetera, et cetera.

927
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: You know, used to really be an advantage to be

928
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: the incumbent president, but right now it's actually better. I

929
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: think the memory fades of how terrible you were while

930
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: you were in office. And so the fact that you

931
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: have so many people saying, you know, what Trump actually

932
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: wasn't so bad, it was not as bad as I

933
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: can expected, and Biden is way worse than I expect.

934
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: I think that is incredibly devastating in terms of their

935
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Speaker 1: political positioning heading into that next election. And you know,

936
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Speaker 1: in this way, Chris Hayes, in that little MSNBC coke

937
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: clip that we played where Rachel Maddow is like, well.

938
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Speaker 4: He's not too old because he can ride a bike.

939
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: We're not electing him to ride a freaking bicycle. And

940
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: by the way, we watch him fall off of that

941
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: bike before too. But the thing that Chris Hayes said

942
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: about like there's nothing you can do to Rebut this

943
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: is true. It's true, and not just because his age

944
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: is what it is, but because his capabilities.

945
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: Are what they are.

946
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: He is not going to be able to sit for

947
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: the interview and knock it out of the park, give

948
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: the press conference and knock it out of the park

949
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: when he says, you know, are you too old?

950
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: Just watch me? Well we are.

951
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: They have seen you, and that's exactly the problem. And

952
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: by the way, you're doing everything you can do hide

953
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: yourself from the American people. And for good reason. We

954
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: understand why your staff and why the people around you

955
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: are trying to text you from being exposed to any camera,

956
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: because even though that is a bad option, it is

957
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: the best move that they have on the table to

958
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: try to hide the actual state of.

959
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: Your condition here.

960
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: So it really is an astonishing situation that we're facing

961
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: at the moment.

962
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

963
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I felt so reading that I was stunned.

964
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: I thought, maybe for once, something will happen. Anybody, Gavin,

965
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: you know, anyone that they can drag in there. They're

966
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: trying to set up Kamma. But at this point it's cleared.

967
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: They're like they're gonna do the same thing that the

968
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 2: Republicans did after the mar Lago rate. They're circling the wagons.

969
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 2: This is it, guys, like, don't delude yourself. Unless he's dead,

970
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: They're not gonna drag him out. And it just is

971
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: what it is. Let's move on to Hillary. I was

972
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: honestly kind of surprised by this, although I guess every

973
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: once in a while, you know, broken clock is right

974
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: twice a day, and all of that. Hillary Clinton weighing

975
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: on and says, actually, Joe Biden's age.

976
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 3: It is a legitimate issue. Here's what she had to say.

977
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 20: Or should he embrace his you know, eight decades on

978
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 20: earth and the great wisdom he's through all of this,

979
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 20: I mean high above, oh yeah above. I mean, you know,

980
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 20: I talk to people in the White House all the time,

981
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 20: and you know they know it's an issue. But as

982
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 20: I like to say, look, it's a legitimate issue.

983
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 3: It's a legitimate.

984
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 20: Issue for Trump who's only three years younger, right, So

985
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 20: it's an issue. Once you say that, then you have

986
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 20: to also talk about what's at stake in the election.

987
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 20: And I'm for Joe Biden for reelection on the merits.

988
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 3: It's a legitimate issue on the merits. I'm Joe Biden.

989
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 21: Eight.

990
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: Of course, she tries to deflect, you know, onto Trump,

991
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: like what are we doing she made? How many attacks

992
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: did she make against Trump? And how many implications you know,

993
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: the same things she fell for all these like Trump

994
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: health conspiracy theories. And we have a glaring actual conspiracy

995
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: theory here, like right, and not even a conspiracy theory,

996
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: glaring fact, like right in front of all of our faces.

997
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: But like I said before in our previous block, this

998
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: is the strategy. They are going to circle the wagons.

999
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: They are running this man until the end unless he

1000
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: literally dies. And I don't I honestly, I don't know

1001
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: how they can morally come to turn with that. I

1002
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: was talking previously Crystal about the FDR fourth term.

1003
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: The people around him knew he was going to die.

1004
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 2: They knew he was going to die, And in many

1005
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: ways they actually were very similar in their arrogance with

1006
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 2: the way they handled Truman.

1007
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: Where they selected Truman. Truman only got to meet.

1008
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: FDR three times before he assumed office eighty three days

1009
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: into the presidency. They never told him about the Manhattan Project.

1010
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: We had an entire war in Europe going on Hitler's

1011
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: you know, suicide and all this other stuff. He was

1012
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: not prepared for it at all. The people around him,

1013
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: Harry Hopkins and other ads, they were running the country.

1014
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 3: They literally were running the country. Nobody.

1015
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: You know, maybe if you read the New York Times

1016
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: at that time, you might have known Harry Hopkins name.

1017
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 2: You don't know, you know, the secret Service agent who's

1018
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: running the guy around and the people who were really

1019
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: running the country.

1020
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 3: We basically had.

1021
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: An actual like military coup for eighty three days in

1022
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: this country and nobody knew about it. I mean, I

1023
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: think that's what we're signing up for, something like this,

1024
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: and no one is.

1025
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: Being honest to us. But the ease if they're asking

1026
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 3: for four years and.

1027
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: Then with Kamala too, we all better get real comfortable

1028
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: with the idea of Kamala as president. If you're going

1029
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: to pull that lever for Biden, you've got to really

1030
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: think about that, because people didn't think about that at

1031
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: the time.

1032
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: In nineteen forty four.

1033
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: Most of the people, many of the troops who were

1034
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: serving in World War Two, they're like, who the hell

1035
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: is Harry Truman? They after you had been president for

1036
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: twelve years. They barely even remembered you know, Hoover at

1037
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: that time. That's the level of insanity that we haven't lived,

1038
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: you know, through seventy six years or something like that,

1039
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: that they're trying to foist on us.

1040
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: You know.

1041
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: The thing with the Hilary comments that's interesting to me

1042
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: is I believe that interview was recorded before the Special

1043
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: Council report came out, because it look appears to be

1044
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: part of that same interview that we covered last week

1045
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: where she made her comments about Tucker and the you know,

1046
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: puppy dog or whatever the hell she said about that situation.

1047
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: And so I wonder if after the report, with the

1048
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: circling of the wagons, if she would have said the

1049
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: same thing maybe, because I do think it's important because

1050
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: you know, part of why those comments from Hillary got

1051
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: as much traction as they did is because there was

1052
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: a sense of like, oh, maybe the power brokers behind

1053
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: the scenes and the Democratic Party or trying to make

1054
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: a move to take out Biden whatever whatever.

1055
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 4: I mean.

1056
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: First of all, you need to know that the Democratic

1057
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: Party is just not that organized, Like I don't think

1058
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: that there is some cabal behind the scenes that is

1059
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: really capable of just pushing him out and inserting in

1060
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: their favorite candidate, whether that's Kamla.

1061
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 4: Or Gavin or Pete or whoever that would would be.

1062
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: So I actually think before the report came out, it

1063
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: was probably more acceptable to just vaguely acknowledge.

1064
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, he's a legitimate issue, but you.

1065
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: Know, obviously on the Marins, I'm for Joe Biden, et cetera,

1066
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: et cetera. Now there is a heightened sensitivity where I

1067
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: think it will be more radioactive within these sort of

1068
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: like mainstream democratic establishment in their media organs to suggest

1069
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: such a thing.

1070
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 4: That's kind of my read into that.

1071
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: But the other thing that I'll say about this is,

1072
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean Hillary is younger than Biden, but she's obviously.

1073
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 4: Older as well.

1074
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: The thing that always blows my mind is Bill Clinton,

1075
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: who obviously's president in the nineties, is younger than Joe Biden,

1076
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: which blows my mind. But you know, counter to the

1077
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: point of ageism, if you talk to older folks, like

1078
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: they're aware of their own aging, they're aware of their

1079
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: own limitations, they're aware of the fact that it would

1080
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: be you know, incredibly onerous and difficult and you know,

1081
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: put potentially beyond their capability to be president at this

1082
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: later stage in their life.

1083
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 4: And you also look at it like, you're why would

1084
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 4: you want to do that? You could be on a beach, enjoying.

1085
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: Your family and living account your golden years and with

1086
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of a legacy that you know,

1087
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: I personally wouldn't be proud of, but you probably would

1088
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: be proud of instead. You know, you're You're Diane Feinstein,

1089
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: this is your life, this is it.

1090
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 4: You only have one of them.

1091
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: And then you know, you couple that with the incredible

1092
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: damage if you know, if you really believe as I do,

1093
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: that Trump is an existential threat to the country and

1094
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: that I don't want them to see him back in

1095
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: the White House, and all of those things. I think

1096
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: of the incredible risk that you're taking with the country,

1097
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: just the level of arrogance, and it is astonishing the

1098
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: level of risk they're willing to take with their party,

1099
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: the country, the world is truly something to behold. I

1100
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Speaker 1: can't run my head around it.

1101
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, to both of your point.

1102
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: I remember I won't give away his name, but a

1103
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 2: very very famous, a world famous.

1104
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: Person, and had dinner with him in like twenty nineteen.

1105
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: He's seventy eight years old it was at the time,

1106
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: which is exactly how old Biden was whenever he took

1107
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: the oath of office, and he looked at me and

1108
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: he was like, look, I'm seventy eight years old. The

1109
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: idea that I could be president is batshit crazy. And

1110
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: this man today is much more, much more put together

1111
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: than Joe Biden was, and he had the wherewithal to

1112
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: know that about himself. And he's like, I've accomplished a lot.

1113
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: People know my name, you know, you know, I've done

1114
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 2: a lot of good things. I'm just going to retire

1115
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: and I'm going to have you know, I have good times,

1116
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: my golden years, my wife, my grandchildren.

1117
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: That's what most people in this position would do Biden.

1118
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: You know, in many respects too, it's not like this

1119
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: is a call of service thing because it's about narcisses.

1120
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: It has been running for president since nineteen eighty eight,

1121
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: Like he's desperate to do this.

1122
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 3: He finally the stars aligned for him to get him there.

1123
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: There's a huge portion of this too, where I don't

1124
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,959
Speaker 2: know if you noticed whenever that reporter was said to him.

1125
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: You know, it's the the American people feel as if

1126
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: you're too old to be present. He was like, that

1127
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: is not that is your judgment. That is not the

1128
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: judgment of the press. I'm not sure what he meant

1129
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: exactly by that, but I think what he meant is

1130
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 2: that it's not the judgment of the people. But that's

1131
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: not true. That is the overwhelming judgment of the people.

1132
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: But again, you see characteristics that are typical of the elderly,

1133
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: ornery all you know, agitated, not wanting to grapple with reality,

1134
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: very difficult, you know, egomaniac, very what's sensitive about having authority, challenge,

1135
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: feeling as if losing a grasp on things around you,

1136
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: not secure And these were all characteristics they already had

1137
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: before it was old.

1138
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything just you know, what is the whole thing

1139
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 3: about being old?

1140
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: It just exacerbates who you were, you become even more

1141
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: so what you already are.

1142
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that. It probably happens to everybody, but

1143
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: we see it all on display. You can see it.

1144
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, your patience just runs thin. Your you know,

1145
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: your ability to like control or temper or whatever. This

1146
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: is again not a judgment. I mean it's when I'm eighty,

1147
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have a.

1148
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: Use for you know.

1149
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: Visical city I tell you what I think too, But

1150
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's it shows like it really shows Branco

1151
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: Marca Teach pointed out, and I thought this was a

1152
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: good point, that this really puts into context the David

1153
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: Ignacious column in particular. But there are a few others

1154
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: at that time, maybe about a year ago, that was

1155
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: sort of like gently encouraging Joe Biden to step aside.

1156
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: And one of the other layers of cope that we've

1157
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: seen is this, like, well, if he was really that

1158
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: infirm and that adult, there are a million reporters in

1159
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: this town who would love to report it, and so

1160
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: we know all about it. And I think that that's

1161
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: really silly because look at how long they hit Diane

1162
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: Fine Stanstein's condition. The reporters in this town know that

1163
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: if they want any prayer of access to not just Biden,

1164
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: but anyone in the White House, anyone in this administration,

1165
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: they've got to.

1166
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 4: Toe the line.

1167
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: And that is one line that it would be very

1168
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: difficult for them to cross and maintain any sort of access,

1169
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: et cetera.

1170
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 4: They know that.

1171
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: But also it's not like there were some signs and

1172
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: inklings in the press like that David Ignatius column indicating

1173
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: that you know there's some issues here and preserve your legacy.

1174
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: Step aside that gentle suggestion. Obviously it wasn't taken. And

1175
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: where we are, where we are, And I agree with you, Sager.

1176
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 1: Anyone who is deluding themselves to think there's some sort

1177
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: of back room conspiracy going on to replace Joe Biden

1178
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: and push them out and then they finally realize that

1179
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: this isn't going to go well for them, I would

1180
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: not get your hopes up because I think this is

1181
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: just this is what it is. They've circled the wagons,

1182
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: They've decided this is their guy, Come what may. They

1183
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: don't really care about the consequences, and I guess we're

1184
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: the ones who all have.

1185
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 4: To live with it.

1186
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 3: God help us.

1187
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to Donald Trump also making some

1188
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: interesting eyebrow raising comments which have set off a firestorm

1189
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: in Washington and on the newspaper columnists of America. Donald

1190
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: Trump weighing in on an alleged conversation I'm going to

1191
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: say alleged with a European leader of NATO asking to

1192
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: Trump allegedly whether Trump would defend him, and he said no,

1193
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: I would not defend you if you don't pay your bills.

1194
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: In fact, I would tell Russia do whatever the hell

1195
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: they want. Let's take a listen to what he said.

1196
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 22: The presidents of a big country stood up said, well, sir,

1197
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 22: if we don't pay and we're attacked by Russia, will

1198
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 22: you protect us. I said, you didn't pay your delinquent.

1199
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 22: He said, yes, let's say that happened. No, I would

1200
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 22: not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to

1201
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 22: do whatever the hell they want.

1202
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 3: You gotta pay, you gotta pay, Crystal.

1203
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 2: This has set off some of the most deranged discourse

1204
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 2: that I've personally seen since twenty sixteen. Whenever he said

1205
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: something similar at one point, the front page of the

1206
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: Financial Times, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the

1207
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal, and there's one other I think, the

1208
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 2: the Big five, I guess, as you could say, all

1209
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: had the exact same headline, which was like Trump to

1210
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: abandon allies, encourage Russians to attack. Now, first of all,

1211
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: that's not what he said. He didn't say abandon allies.

1212
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 2: He said, if you don't pay your bills the minimum

1213
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: two percent threshold, then I would encourage Russia to do

1214
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: whatever the hell they want. That's not the same thing

1215
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: as saying that you are abandoning the NATO treaty. Second,

1216
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 2: and this is obviously something I feel very strongly about

1217
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: about Europeans who are not pulling their weight. I have

1218
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: the official NATO numbers right here in front of me.

1219
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 2: The majority of the NATO alliance, even after the Russian

1220
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 2: invasion of Ukraine, including the great powers from Germany and France.

1221
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: Germany and France and Italy, some of the biggest economies

1222
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 2: in the world, do not spend the minimum two percent

1223
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: on the NATO guideline.

1224
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,959
Speaker 3: Now, they can do what they want, but remember.

1225
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: That it's supposed to be a mutually beneficial pack that

1226
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: is happening here.

1227
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: So anyway, with all of that, and curious for what

1228
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: you think.

1229
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have a few things to say about this.

1230
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, of all, as you said,

1231
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: like the conversation probably didn't.

1232
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 3: Happen, He's probably not obviously didn't.

1233
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's number one. Number two. I mean, listen,

1234
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: this is a crazy thing to say, to be like, hey, Russia,

1235
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: go ahead and invade whoever the hell you want. Like,

1236
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't support that. I think that's an outrageous thing

1237
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: to say. I think it's part of why, like, you know,

1238
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: having him as commander in chief is once again is

1239
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: a terrifying prospect, as he is incredibly impulsive and all

1240
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: over the map, and he was not the peacenick that

1241
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: his supporters try to claim that he was. So there's that, Like,

1242
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 1: I don't think the comments were good. Now I'm someone

1243
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm not a big NATO person, you know, and I

1244
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: certainly don't support the expansion of NATO. So all the

1245
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: freak out about the NATO alliance and the sanctity of

1246
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: it and oh my god, he is going to go

1247
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: after NATO, et cetera, et cetera. I find that part

1248
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: a little bit silly, not only because I'm not a

1249
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: NATO person, but because he also didn't really do that

1250
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: time he was president. And this is one thing that

1251
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think you have to consider his words,

1252
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: but I think you also have to consider what his

1253
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: actual policy was as president. And this is where, you know,

1254
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: we're just kind of getting back to this like Russia

1255
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: Gate impulse within the mainstream press, within the Democratic Party,

1256
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: et cetera, which took just his words and his seeming

1257
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, often voiced sympathy and affection for Putin and

1258
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: did not consider the fact that his actions were actually

1259
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: in the totally opposite direction. He was very hawkish towards Russia,

1260
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: did not in fact give them what they want, did

1261
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: in fact like bolster Ukraine and ship weapons to them

1262
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: in ways that even Obama was not willing to do so.

1263
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: I just think that the dialogue becomes very unhinged when

1264
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: you only take those comments and project them into policy

1265
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: and don't also look at the actual policies that he pursues.

1266
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: So obvious and true right to anybody who is a

1267
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: genuine observer of this, I honestly wish we'd seen more

1268
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 2: of that guy whenever he was president.

1269
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 3: Trump expanded NATO. Trump is the one who put freaking

1270
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 3: North Macedonia into the US nuclear umbrella.

1271
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: Do people even know in North Macedonia as a country,

1272
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 2: did you know that you're signed up for nuclear war

1273
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: that if they get attacked? Anyone want to riddle me

1274
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: that about why exactly that makes sense? Or Montenegro Again,

1275
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: people may know from a Bond movie that's their most

1276
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: extent they're going to know anything about freaking Montenegro.

1277
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: Also, now we're all signed up to die for Finland.

1278
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: And Sweden, which is great obviously, countries that have previously

1279
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: been at war with Russia awesome. Now let's think too

1280
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: about the actual substance where everyone's like he's going to

1281
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: abandon NATO. Trump shipped weapons to Ukraine. Trump was one

1282
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: of the most incompetent commanders in chief of our lifetime

1283
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 2: in actually executing what he wanted.

1284
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: He wanted to withdraw from Syria.

1285
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: Who just died Crystal troops doing what exactly right?

1286
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: Oh, the ones who were insane.

1287
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: Trump said he was gonna bond or he's going to

1288
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: pull us out of Afghanistan.

1289
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: That didn't happen, signed.

1290
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: A peace deal, he tried to do it allegedly or

1291
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: whatever at the end, never happened. Biden is the one

1292
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: who ended up actually pulling through with it. Trump was

1293
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: the one who told us that he was going to

1294
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: force NATO to pay their fair share. Not none of

1295
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: that happened, and in fact, most of their defense spending

1296
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: remain static until the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and then

1297
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: even the measly Baltic countries are the only ones who

1298
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: are paying up and they barely mean anything in.

1299
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 3: Absolute terms of military power.

1300
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: It's like I can go on and on forever in

1301
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: terms of like what he actually did. But that's part

1302
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: of why it is so infuriating, because I'm like, I

1303
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: wish he would be more like this if he were

1304
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: to president. If he did this, I would support him

1305
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: even more. I'd be like, absolutely, congratulations, Please make them

1306
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: actually pay their fair share. But that's not what happens.

1307
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: It's like NATO at this point is a religion. And

1308
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: then that's what I've really come to understand. Ukraine and

1309
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: NATO allegiance is a literal religion of the columnists and

1310
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: the foreign policy elite in this country. They think it's

1311
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: like nineteen seventy six or whatever in the Soviet, big

1312
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: bad Soviet Union is on the horizon, and all this

1313
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: complete nonsense. I mean even here in Ukraine, Ukraine is

1314
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: not in NATO. Ukraine borders NATO. That's different, it's not

1315
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: the same thing. They treat it as an attack on NATO.

1316
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: It's like, well, then what does that mean? Every country

1317
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 2: that borders NATO is now also in NATO. So there's

1318
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: no limiting principle to any of this. So it's one

1319
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: of those where the freak out does not match the action.

1320
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: And then even then consider this, majority of people at

1321
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: this point are against against more funding to Ukraine. How

1322
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: can you try and run this like NATO scam again

1323
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: electorally after the majority of people see through your bs.

1324
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: Blob talking points. So that's it.

1325
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 2: Finally, then we have to get to Nikki Haley, who

1326
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: of course is seizing on this.

1327
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 3: You know she's running on NATO.

1328
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: I guess she's going after Trump for saying that he

1329
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: would quote unquote abandon NATO, even though that's not what

1330
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: he said.

1331
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

1332
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 21: NATO has been a success story for the last seventy

1333
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 21: five years.

1334
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 3: But what bothers me about.

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00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 21: This is, don't take the side of a thug who

1336
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 21: kills his opponents. Don't take the side of someone who

1337
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 21: has gone in and invaded a country and half a

1338
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 21: million people have died or been wounded because of Putin.

1339
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 21: Don't take the side of someone who continues to lie.

1340
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 21: I dealt with Russia every day. The last thing we

1341
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 21: ever want to do is side with Russia. What we

1342
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 21: always need to remember is America needs to have friends.

1343
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 21: After September tenth, we needed a lot of friends. We

1344
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 21: can never get into the point where we don't need friends.

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01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like, look at the way that

1346
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: she talks about it. It's like a religion. It's like friendship.

1347
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: Friendship is supposed to be mutually beneficial, not one person

1348
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: taking something out of your pocket for seventy five years straight.

1349
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1350
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: I just don't get it, like the way that they talk,

1351
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, freak or whatever about about this. And I

1352
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 2: also just genuinely think this is a popular position amongst

1353
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: the American people if you frame it the way I

1354
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 2: did around you know, it's like, listen, if you don't pay,

1355
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: then what exactly you're not fulfilling your obligations that you

1356
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: all mutually agreed to over a decade ago and then

1357
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: especially post Ukraine. I don't know how they can think

1358
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: like being pro NATO is a popular position outside of

1359
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: like the DC electorate.

1360
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, listen, I don't want to say,

1361
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: like I thought it was, comments were great, because encouraging

1362
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: Russia to like invade wherever the hell they want is insane.

1363
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: Don't support it. It's just like imperialism. Also with regard

1364
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: to NATO. You know, I don't think I do share

1365
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: that same position, because if you're calling for Europeans to

1366
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: increase funding of NATO. What you're really looking at is

1367
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: pushing increasing even more funding to Ukraine.

1368
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 4: Not really right, But it's not really calling for like.

1369
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: You know, cutting back NATO or you know, curtailing it

1370
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: or even moving forward with the war in Ukraine. And

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01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: that's the other thing is, like, you know, he made

1372
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 1: some comments about the Ukraine war. He doesn't really talk

1373
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: about these things anymore. His position's very unclear, and it

1374
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: was very all over the map from the beginning. You know,

1375
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: sometimes he'd be more hawkish in what he said than

1376
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Then when he realized there was a political

1377
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: lane for him to be, you know, calling for a

1378
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: negotiated solution, then he was, oh, well make a deal

1379
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: on day one. Who the hell knows what this guy

1380
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: is going to do when he's actually in office. That's

1381
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: the real truth is the things that he says, the

1382
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: things that he does, the things that he wants to

1383
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: do versus the things he's actually capable of doing are

1384
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: two totally different things. But you know, at this point,

1385
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: to have a total panic freak ount over some comments

1386
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: related to NATO when he wasn't able to deliver on

1387
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: any of that or push forward any of that agenda

1388
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: last time around. I just think, you know, the freak

1389
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: coount is not justified.

1390
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah.

1391
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: I mean actually, Michael Tracy went back and pulled all

1392
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: these predictions made by David Frum in July twenty sixteen

1393
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: of what would happen with NATO, not a single one

1394
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 2: came true. He's like, NATO will be abandoned, Trump will

1395
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: pull us out of not one like expansion, increase of funding,

1396
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: more NATO friendly policy, consistently allowing the NATO Secretary General

1397
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: Stultenberg to basically roll him, and Sultenberg would smile at

1398
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 2: Trump and be like, yeah, absolutely, just keep giving us

1399
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: a little bit more money. And Trump would be like, okay, sure,

1400
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: you know the NATO Secretary General told me he was

1401
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: going to do it. It's like he was so easily

1402
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: to manipulate and to influence. And honestly, we don't talk

1403
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: enough about that, you know. And Trump supporters and them too,

1404
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: they don't, they don't don't really with any of that.

1405
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 3: Let's move on.

1406
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: We just had to throw this in for fun because

1407
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: of the super Bowl. Let's go ahead, put this up

1408
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: there on the screen. Trump in the most Trumpian way,

1409
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: possible has now taken credit for Taylor Swift's more recent

1410
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: financial success. She says, I signed and was responsible for

1411
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: the Music Modernization Act for Taylor Swift and all other

1412
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: musical artists. Joe Biden do and do anything for Taylor

1413
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: and never will. There's no way she can endorse crooked

1414
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, the worst and most corrupt president in the

1415
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 2: history of our country, and be disloyal to the man

1416
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: who made her so much money. Besides that, I like

1417
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: her boyfriend Travis, even though he may be a liberal

1418
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: capital l and probably can't stand So.

1419
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 3: You know, one thing you.

1420
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: Can always say about Trump is that he is smarter

1421
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: than many of his online supporters. He's like, yeah, Taylor

1422
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: is super popular. I'm not going to attack her. I'm

1423
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: going to take credit for her success. And now she

1424
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: does move against me. You know, I can roll my

1425
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: eyes or whatever, but he understands the popularity of what

1426
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: he's dealing with, especially you know, in the whole America's

1427
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: couple thing in light of what happened last night at

1428
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: the super Bowl.

1429
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 3: So I actually thought it was smart.

1430
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, people are waiting for him to weigh

1431
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: in with his own like Taylor swift deep state conspiracy.

1432
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: But I never thought that was going to come because

1433
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: he is intelligent enough to know that he says he

1434
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: loves I mean, he loves celebrity. This is not a

1435
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: man who does not care for celebrity. This man freagain

1436
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: loves celebrity. And so it does not surprise me at

1437
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: all that he put out something that was just basically

1438
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,959
Speaker 1: like supportive of both Taylor and Travis. And it also

1439
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: comes sagerum Or recovered last week calling for people to

1440
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: give bud Light a second chance. You know, he doesn't

1441
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: have to win over these like insane people that are

1442
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: online supporters of him that fabricated this tailor Nato, Soros,

1443
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: bud Light, Pfizer conspiracy theory.

1444
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 4: They're gonna vote for him. So he's got a.

1445
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: Much better grasp of like, you know, normy instinct of America.

1446
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: And so does this like really move the needle in

1447
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: either direction, No, not really, But I just think it

1448
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: once again just demonstrates that he has good political instincts

1449
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: and that's why he was prisident of the United States

1450
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: and may well be president of the United States again.

1451
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: Exactly right, you know, And of course the amount of

1452
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: earned media that he's getting, you know, from this, people

1453
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 2: are like, people are posting it everywhere, like Lord Trump

1454
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: is taking credit for Taylor and all of that. I

1455
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: just thought it was a smart play. Same thing with

1456
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey. I mean, look, I'm not a big Travis

1457
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: Kelcey fan, and I'll tell you why. For one reason,

1458
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: I cannot stand the way that man dresses.

1459
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 3: I was all in for Brock. Brock wears a suit

1460
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 3: to the game.

1461
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: Travis wears some glittery streetwear monstrosity which won't even be

1462
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: in fashion a year from now. But again, he's not dumb.

1463
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: He understands that the Kelsey Brothers are like a national brand.

1464
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: They've one of the most popular podcasts. Why would you

1465
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: want to alienate? And they're like, you know, cast yourself

1466
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: on the side of one of the most popular football players.

1467
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: He's not even football player at this point. I mean

1468
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: he's in stratospheric celebrity level status. The two of them together,

1469
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 2: it's like one of the most powerful brands in America today,

1470
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: whether you like it or not. And so Trump is

1471
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: the same thing. He's like, I'm going to be on

1472
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 2: their side. I'm not going to be quote unquote antagonistic.

1473
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to try and throw this thing out out

1474
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: there about the Music Modernization Act and maybe hope that

1475
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:59,479
Speaker 2: she doesn't endorse Biden, even.

1476
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 3: Though, look, she's gonna endorse Biden. She endorsed him last

1477
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 3: time around.

1478
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: So that's why part of the reason why everyone's like

1479
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 2: it's a siop, I'm like, guy, she already did it.

1480
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: Though it would be a sip. She'd never endorsed anybody,

1481
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: but she already wouldn't be.

1482
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 4: A siy anyway.

1483
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: Most of Hollywood is just liberal, like she has some

1484
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: standard issue normal as politics.

1485
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 4: And she barely talks about politics. So what did you see?

1486
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 4: I didn't really look online.

1487
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: Did you see much conservative commentary online or right wing

1488
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: commentary about the fact that the Chiefs won, Because I.

1489
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 4: Know the whole theory.

1490
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: The theory was the games can be rigged, Chiefs are

1491
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: going to win, and then Travis is gonna propose to Taylor,

1492
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: and then Taylor is gonna endorse Joe Biden.

1493
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 3: And I did see some would you say and all that, Well.

1494
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: There aren't many to like really super controversial call.

1495
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: Look, our technical director Colvin was explaining it to me.

1496
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 3: So I am not a football expert.

1497
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 2: But basically there's like a lot of upset about the

1498
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: overtime rules and previously used to be sudden death and

1499
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: it's not sudden death, and the Chiefs were able to

1500
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 2: win based on that, and so obviously Chiefs fans are

1501
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 2: happy about it.

1502
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 3: Forty nine that wasn't changed.

1503
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: Like I agree, it was just changed like in the

1504
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: heat of the moment, because like, oh, we need to

1505
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: give the Chiefs an edge here.

1506
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 2: But I and I saw a couple of forty nine ers,

1507
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: guys be like this is WWE Now it's not the

1508
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: NFL anymore.

1509
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 4: I don't know if you watch it.

1510
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean, look again, I only watched the first half.

1511
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: I didn't watch the rest because I went to bed

1512
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 2: and I'm an old man.

1513
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 3: But I woke up.

1514
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: I looked at the Yeah, it looked fun. It looked like,

1515
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 2: you know, things were you know, down to the wire

1516
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 2: up until the last minute. Forty nine Ers had a

1517
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: very very real chance of winning the game. So no,

1518
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: I don't think it was rigged. Do I think that

1519
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: you know that Kelsey and Swift and all of them

1520
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 2: are going to capitalize on this, Yeah, but like not

1521
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: for political reasons.

1522
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 3: I think they just want to make money capitalism.

1523
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 4: That's the conspiracy.

1524
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 2: I think those dumb ass glitzy, you know, custom clothes

1525
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 2: play pay for themselves.

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Speaker 3: He needs to learn from Taylor. She's a classy lady.

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Speaker 3: She actually dressed as well. She needs to.

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Speaker 2: She's there's a whole thing about like Taylor dresses him.

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Speaker 2: I wish that she dressed him. She has much better

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01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 2: style since than this walking teenager. But this is a

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Speaker 2: whole other Uh, this is a whole other dietract.

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Speaker 4: I was telling me that he had like a different

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Speaker 4: style before she came on. I don't have a guys.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was told is that he used to

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Speaker 1: dress and like look, like present himself differently, and then

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Speaker 1: with Taylor, he's like adopted a different a different look.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's necessarily true. He's had like trashy

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01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 2: style for quite a long time. I mean, let's be

1539
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 2: look at the man's cars and the way that he behaves. Okay,

1540
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 2: like he's not exactly the paragon of taste. So again,

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Speaker 2: I wish he would learn from Taylor in terms of

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Speaker 2: this taste, which is probably not a take you'll hear

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Speaker 2: from medic conservative.

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01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: Well, I was cheering for the chiefs both because of

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01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: Travis and kelt and Taylor Taylor whatever the hell their

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01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 1: names are, but mostly because of Colvin. Oh yeah, because

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01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: Colvin is so happy and he cares so much, and

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Speaker 1: I don't really care that much. So I was just

1549
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 1: cheering for him to do time in a row. Apparently

1550
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: they're a dynasty now, is what people are saying.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just sad for but that. I love that kid.

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01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 3: You know, he's twenty four. I can't imagine twenty four

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Speaker 3: years old. He's got a top ahead of him.

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01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but to win it at twenty four would have

1555
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 2: been I mean, he was mister irrelevant, last pick of

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01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 2: the draft, first mister irrelevant. I think to ever you know,

1557
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Speaker 2: be in the to be in a Super Bowl, I mean,

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's engaged.

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Speaker 3: He's like, he's mister America. He's like Americana. That's what

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Speaker 3: it is. Saw. I'm sad that he lost.

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Speaker 1: The thing that was entertaining to me was I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you just looked on its face, like Kansas City

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: versus San Francisco, you would think the Conservatives will all.

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Speaker 4: Be cheering for Kansas City.

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01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: Was the fact that Taylor Swift made them decide to

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Speaker 1: get behind San Francisco that in and of itself was

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Speaker 1: an entertaining team.

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Speaker 3: It's not the town. The team is not the town.

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Speaker 2: I guess okay, I'm sure you guys have been wanting

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01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 2: to hear Crystalini's thoughts about the Tucker Putin interview. We're

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01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: gonna try something a little bit different here, just a

1572
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: little bit of an experiment the first eight minutes or so.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be free in terms of our reaction,

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01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 2: and if you want to become a prem subscriber, you

1575
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 2: can listen to our full analysis at breakingpoints dot com.

1576
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: But let's go ahead and begin with the interview Putin,

1577
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 2: you know, really just embracing the full caricature of himself.

1578
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 2: Tucker asked him a simple question, why didn't you invade Ukraine?

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01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: It took us thirty minutes to learn that answer. We

1580
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 2: went all the way back a thousand year. We learned

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: about the Great Yaroslav, the whys, and every accord.

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 3: Written since the year nine hundred. Here's what he had

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Speaker 3: to say.

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Speaker 23: February twenty second, twenty twenty two. You addressed your country

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Speaker 23: in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started,

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 23: and you said that you were acting because you had

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01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 23: come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO

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01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 23: might initiate a quote surprise attack on our country. And

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01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 23: to American ears, that sounds paranoid. Tell us why you

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01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 23: believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue.

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Speaker 3: How did you conclude that.

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Speaker 9: It's not that America the United States was going to

1593
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 9: Launchester price strike in Russia. I didn't say that. Are

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01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 9: we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

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01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 3: Here's the quote? Thank you.

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01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 23: It's a formidable series.

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Speaker 8: Nosk was ran because your basic education is in history,

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01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 8: as far as I understand, yes, So if you don't mind,

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Speaker 8: I will take only thirty seconds or one minute to

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Speaker 8: give you a short reference to history.

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Speaker 9: For giving you a little historical background, please, let's look

1602
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 9: where our relationship with Ukraine started from. Where did Ukraine

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01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 9: come from? The Russian state started gathering itself as a

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01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 9: centralized statehood, and it is considered to be the year

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01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 9: of the establishment of the Russian state. In eight hundred

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01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:45,520
Speaker 9: and sixty too, when the townspeople of Novgorod invited Avarangian

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01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 9: Prince Rurik from Scandinavia to reign. Prince Yaroslav Devise introduced

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01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 9: the order of succession to a throne, but after he

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01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 9: passed away it became complicated for various reasons. The throne

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 9: was passed not directly from father to eldest son, but

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Speaker 9: from the prince who had passed away, to his brother,

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01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 9: then to his sons in different lines. All this led

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01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 9: to the fragmentation and the end of russ as a

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Speaker 9: single state. I'll give you these documents.

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Speaker 23: Well, it doesn't sound like you're inventing, and I'm not

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Speaker 23: sure why it's relevant to what happened in Union.

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Speaker 9: But still, these are documents from the archives copies.

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Speaker 3: So that was his friend Vlad.

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Speaker 2: He was like, Lad, give us those documents for those

1620
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: who didn't watch the full thing. I'm not kidding. It

1621
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 2: was like that for thirty straight minutes. I listened to

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Speaker 2: the full thing, I promise you.

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Speaker 3: I internalized many.

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01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: Of Putin's history lessons, but it was very clear here,

1625
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 2: and I thought what Tucker actually said the best in

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01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 2: his follow up was Okay, I don't see why this

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01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 2: is relevant, And if it was, why didn't you invade

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Speaker 2: Ukraine on the first day that you took into office.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you think Ukraine is a totally illegitimate state.

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Speaker 2: Why did you wait more than a decade while being

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01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 2: in office in order to invade.

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Speaker 3: There were also it was this is the other thing.

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Speaker 2: Look again, as someone who believes that Russia has legitimate

1634
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 2: security concerns and the NATO expansion was a strategic disaster

1635
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: for the US, Putin also is not calibrated for the

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01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: way that we argue here in.

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Speaker 3: The West, because he didn't mention that once.

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01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 2: It all went back to what the history of Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Ukraine is an illegitimate state. And by the way, and

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01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 2: this is what validates like the worst Russia hawks in

1641
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: this country. He kept saying how Poland, Lithuania and all

1642
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 2: of them are illegitimate states too, under the same definition

1643
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 2: of why he hates the Bolsheviks and the Treaty of Breslatovsk.

1644
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he did at least say I have no

1645
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 2: interest in invading Poland. That would lead to a world

1646
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: war and that wouldn't be good.

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01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: But it's like he did say that, very inquivalent he did,

1648
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Speaker 1: whether he could take the word for it or not.

1649
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 2: But my main take is like, look, this man's brain

1650
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 2: is literally addled by imperialism, and I put this out.

1651
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 2: This is my only real reaction is everyone always talks

1652
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: about how Putin is KGB. No, this is he doesn't

1653
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 2: have a communist bone in his body. Putin is a

1654
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: straight out of Central casting of the Dukes and the

1655
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 2: czars of the late nineteenth century. He is the same paranoid,

1656
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 2: obsessive feeling inferior to the West. They believe in Russian

1657
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: defense and depth in terms of imperial territory orbon put

1658
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 2: it best is that Russian security thinking has nothing to

1659
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: do with democracy. It has to keeping with the whole together,

1660
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 2: and that the togetherness, the security in the whole of

1661
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 2: the country is considered genuinely existential if we analyze it

1662
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: through the lens of the tragedy of the First World War.

1663
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 2: And then, according to Putin, the greatest tragedy in the

1664
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 2: history of Russia was the demise of the Soviet Union,

1665
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:58,839
Speaker 2: not not for communist reasons, but for imperial territorial reasons.

1666
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 3: And it is very clear to me that that is

1667
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 3: who he is.

1668
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 2: He is only solidified in age, and he has a

1669
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 2: like almost autistic need to impress this upon the West

1670
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 2: and the American people. And the problem for him is

1671
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 2: like that is just counter to any modern understanding of

1672
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 2: not even just Western modern understanding for the community of

1673
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 2: nations in the post World War two era.

1674
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just doesn't fly.

1675
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 4: I have many observations.

1676
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: Let me start with the most surface level, so it

1677
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: will not surprise you all to learn. I have very

1678
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: low expectations for how Tucker would conduct himself in this interview.

1679
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: He vastly surpassed my expectations. I thought he did a

1680
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: good job in general. Good job especially, Like, if you

1681
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:44,480
Speaker 1: think about it, and you are a journalist in this country,

1682
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: you know, with an autocrat who controls the military, controls

1683
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: the believe or whatever. Like, you know, you're in a

1684
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: tough position, right, You're in a jam. And it's not

1685
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: like you can just cut this man off when he

1686
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: wants to go on his Really it was fifty minutes

1687
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: of a historical diatribe, but definitely thirty minutes.

1688
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 4: Of a historical diatribe.

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01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: And I don't think it really behooves you to cut

1690
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: him off either, because he decided this is what he

1691
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: wants to put out to us into the world. And

1692
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: whether it was Tucker Carlson or George Stephanopolis or whoever

1693
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: it was going to be, it was very clear Vladimir

1694
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: Putin was going to say his piece about the thousand

1695
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: years of history that he feels justifies this moment, and

1696
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: so for Tucker to just react by being like, I

1697
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: don't really see how this is relevant. That's really the

1698
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: best that you could do in that circumstance. And he

1699
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: went on and we'll show you some more pieces. He

1700
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: went on to ask some really important questions that I

1701
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: thought were you know, we're quite good, including pushing for

1702
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: the release of the Wall Street Journal Reporter, which I

1703
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: was very gratified to see that he did. Okay, that's

1704
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: number one. Number two in terms of Putin, there was

1705
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: clearly a lot of like alpha assertion of dominance. Will

1706
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: show you a little bit of that too, with him

1707
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: like throwing in Tucker's face like, oh, that CIA, you know,

1708
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 1: that organization that you wanted to work for previously. There

1709
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,759
Speaker 1: was another moment where Tucker said something to the effect

1710
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: of like, you know, he's trying to get Putin back

1711
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: on track, trying to cut off this historical diatribe, and

1712
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: Putin says to him, Oh, I'm sorry, I'm boring you,

1713
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: and Tucker said, well, you're not boring me. I'm just

1714
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: not sure how it's relevant, and he says, well, I'm

1715
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: glad you're I'm gratified to hear that you're enjoying my

1716
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: historical lesson, and he continued to start care. There was

1717
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: just a lot of like apparently he made Tucker wait

1718
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: like two.

1719
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 4: Hours sitting there waiting for him.

1720
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 1: We just showed you the very opening moment where putin

1721
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: immediately and this is very intentional, you know, I mean,

1722
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: we've done enough interviews to see these sort of games

1723
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: being played by people, especially people in power, where he

1724
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: immediately jumps in and puts Tucker in his place of

1725
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: like are we doing a talk show or are we

1726
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: doing a serious conversation here?

1727
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 4: That sets the tone for the entire thing.

1728
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: So okay, so those are sort of like the surface

1729
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: level theatrics. I reached out to our friend Jegor for

1730
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: his reaction, you know, Russian.

1731
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Speaker 4: What is he taking from those? How is he viewing this?

1732
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 1: And he had a few noteworthy comments that were things

1733
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: that I would not have picked up on.

1734
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 2: So in that moment and if you want to hear

1735
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 2: my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today

1736
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:16,879
Speaker 2: at Breakingpoints dot Com.

1737
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: So, guys, while we were watching the Super Bowl last night,

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Speaker 1: Israel began bombing Rafa crossing. That is the place where

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Speaker 1: over a million Palestinians have been displaced to just right

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Speaker 1: there at the bottom of the Gaza Strip. And you

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01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: can see some of the aftermath of those strikes as

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01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: people were waking up in the morning. You can see

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01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: the grief and the horror of those who have been struck,

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01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: children who have been injured among those who were bombed.

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Speaker 1: And this was something that people have been fearing for

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Speaker 1: a while. Not that Rafa has been a safe place

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Speaker 1: during this war whatsoever. But of course you'll recall, you know,

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Speaker 1: initially attacks were the heaviest in Gaza City. People left

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: Gaza City, they moved to Kanunis Communists came under incredible bombardment.

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01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: People were pushed down to Rafa, and as I said,

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Speaker 1: it is literally the border crossing there with Egypt, and

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01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: there has been grave international concern about what this could

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Speaker 1: mean for the civilians who are sheltering there already under

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01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: horrifying humanitarian conditions.

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Speaker 4: We can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: As part of this bombardment, Israel saying that they were

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Speaker 1: able to rescue two hostages held by Hamas in Rafa.

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Speaker 1: Let me read you a little bit of this report

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Speaker 1: from the Wall Street Journal of the official record of

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Speaker 1: what occurred here. They say Israel rescued two hostages held

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Speaker 1: in Gaza in an overnight raid, as the military prepares

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Speaker 1: for a larger operation to enter what it says is

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01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: the last bastion for Hamas, where more than one million

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Speaker 1: Palestinians are sheltering. Israeli military said Monday the rescue of

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Speaker 1: Fernando Simon Marvan and Lewis Harr was a complicated operation

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Speaker 1: performed under fire in the heart of Rafa, a city

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01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: in southern Gaza, near where Palestinians are seeking refuge from

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01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: the conflict between Israel and Hamas. At roughly two am

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01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: local time, military forces and a police SWAT team broke

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01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: into a house in Rafa engaged in a gunfight with

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Speaker 1: Hamas militants while shielding the hostages before evacuating them to

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Speaker 1: a secure location. In addition, those airstrikes that we played

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Speaker 1: you a little bit of the video of in Gaza

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01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: killed one hundred and sixty four people overnight, including dozens

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Speaker 1: in Rafa. That is according to health authorities on the ground.

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01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: So a deadly Knight and Soager obviously incredibly significant. The

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Speaker 1: rescue of these two hostages, this is something that Israel

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01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: has almost completely failed in accomplishing through military operations. Believe

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01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 1: they were previously able to rescue one hostage. That means

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01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: they have now killed as many hostages as they have

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Speaker 1: been able to rescue of their own hostages in terms

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01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: of right, they killed three, they've rescued three. Now, oh,

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01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,799
Speaker 1: that's right, So I guess it's even from that regard,

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Speaker 1: there are also somewhere estimates around fifty hostages who have

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01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: been killed during the Israeli bombardment of Gaza, So, you know,

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Speaker 1: a rare success for them in terms of bringing hostages home,

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Speaker 1: but obviously unacceptably high, horrific toll on the civilian population

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Speaker 1: there in rob.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very I mean this really, I think is

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01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 2: just to continued extension of the Biden policy, and I

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01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,560
Speaker 2: think that it just shows you where Biden is schizophrenic.

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Speaker 2: And at this point, I would just prefer it if

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01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 2: he just said, I'm just signing up for everything Israel's doing,

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01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 2: because what is the point of these constant leakings of

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01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 2: things like oh, I think it's over the top. I

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01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 2: think you shouldn't do it. You know, we have some

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01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 2: of that that we can go ahead and play. Where

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Speaker 2: in his age press conference where he tried to clean

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Speaker 2: everything up and where he confused the Egyptian leader with

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Speaker 2: the President of Mexico, he also did make some news

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Speaker 2: where he said that the Israeli response has been over

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Speaker 2: the top.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he said.

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Speaker 17: The conduct of the response in Gaza, in the Gaza

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01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 17: Strip has been over the top. Initially, the President of Mexico, Cisi,

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01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 17: did not want to open up the gate to allow

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01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 17: humanitarian material to get in. I talked to him. I

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Speaker 17: convinced to open the gate. I talked to Bbie to

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01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 17: open the gate. On the Israeli side, I've been pushing

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Speaker 17: really hard, really hard to get humanitarian assistants into Gaza.

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Speaker 17: There are a lot of innocent people who are starving,

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01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,799
Speaker 17: a lot of innocent people who are in trouble and dying,

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Speaker 17: and it's got to stop. And I'm pushing very hard

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Speaker 17: now to deal with this hostage ceasefire because as you know,

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Speaker 17: I've been working tirelessly in this deal. How can I

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01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 17: say this without revealing to lead to a sustained pause

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01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 17: I have no proof what I'm about to say, but

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Speaker 17: it's not a reasonable suspect that the Hamas understood what

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01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 17: was about to take place and wanted to break it

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01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:58,919
Speaker 17: up before it happened.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what are we supposed to take away from that?

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01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 2: It's like, I think it's over the top. I think

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01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: a hostage deal is going to happen. By the way,

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Speaker 2: it's not even true. And then later on, as we

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01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 2: learn and you're about to break down, Crystal, they had

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01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 2: a phone call where Biden was like, please don't do this,

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01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 2: we're against the operation, or I guess we want you

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01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 2: to be more concerned, and they were like, no, that's

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01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 2: not going to happen, and they've rejected Espied deal. Now

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Speaker 2: at this point, it just seems clear that they're Look,

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Speaker 2: it's been clear now for a while they're going to

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Speaker 2: do whatever they want to do. The administration is like

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01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 2: constantly expressing concern, leaking phone calls, and you know they're

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Speaker 2: going to get to a point where I think we're

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01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 2: slow walking ourselves to a full break and we're about

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Speaker 2: to talk about this with Egypt.

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Speaker 3: We are in genuinely unprecedented waters.

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Speaker 2: Now. What I have always thought was this is that

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01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 2: Biden and them will you know, back Israel and all

1840
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: that to the point. But an actual expulsion of mass

1841
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 2: millions of people from Gaza is a war triggering event

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Speaker 2: of some kind. I'm not exactly sure what it could

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01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,839
Speaker 2: be most Iran. It could happen in Jordan, Syria, Egypt,

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01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 2: et cetera. But it will be a break, you know

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01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 2: for foreign relations. We're going to a point where that

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01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 2: seems almost inevitable at this point, where we're going to

1847
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 2: have to make a choice when obviously it could have

1848
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 2: is this really was probably the last time and we

1849
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 2: could probably look back, you know, in the beginning of

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Speaker 2: this and if there is no ceasefire deal or any

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Speaker 2: of that, I don't see in a separate way out

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01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,560
Speaker 2: of this, you know, in terms of what exactly is

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01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 2: going to happen, just because we've got a million five

1854
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: people who are all clustered in a single area and

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Speaker 2: they can't go north.

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Speaker 3: There's only one way to go.

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Speaker 2: The Egyptians are threatening to terminate, so now what what

1858
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 2: are we going to do here?

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Speaker 1: Up against there is nowhere else for them to go.

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Speaker 1: You all have seen the images of northern Gaza. There

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01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: is nothing left for them to return to and by

1862
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 1: the way, it's not safe for them. They have not

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01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: been told by the Israeli military that they can go

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01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: back without being presumed to be terrorist and murdered for

1865
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: the you know, for existing in an area that used

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01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: to be their homes. It is Boebe has ordered for

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01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: the military to draw plans to evacuate these civilians and

1868
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 1: again there is nowhere for them to go except out

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01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: of the Gaza Strip entirely and complete the program of

1870
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing, which plenty of people in his government have

1871
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: made it really crystal clear, including drawing maps and having

1872
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: plans of who's going to take how many of these refugees,

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01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: et cetera, that that is one hundred percent their end goal.

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Speaker 1: With regard to Biden and his comments that the Israeli

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01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: response is over the top, okay, first of all, there

1876
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: was a whole you know, news cycle, Oh my goodness,

1877
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 1: these comedies, so that this is the furthest Biden has gone.

1878
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean even this language is so weak and so

1879
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: sanitized given what has been done to these people. I mean,

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01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,799
Speaker 1: they are all displaced for their homes. The entire strip

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01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: has been basically decimated at this point, thirty plus thousand killed,

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01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: majority women and children, Hospitals, schools, universities, you know, ambulances,

1883
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: target I'm going to do a monologue tomorrow about this

1884
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 1: little girl and her rescuers that were targeted and murdered

1885
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: by the IDF. And the best you can say is

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01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: quote unquote over the top, and to Soger's point, to

1887
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: make matters worse, like if it's over the top, or

1888
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,839
Speaker 1: as he said before, the bombing is disproportionate, do something

1889
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 4: But we know all they'll do, which we.

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01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: Have another report in the press that I just saw

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01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: this morning, another one of these like oh, he's concerned,

1893
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: and BB's hard to maneuver, but behind the scenes he's

1894
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: very like obviously, none of this is having any kind

1895
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: of an impact, even if you are actually having these

1896
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: quote unquote tough conversations without throwing your weight around. So

1897
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: here we are, and what has been done already is

1898
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: completely unjustifiable, to the point that the ICJ has said

1899
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: they're plausibly committing a genocide. And the most you can

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01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: do is say it's quote unquote over the top. Let

1901
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 1: me put this up on the screen. This is also

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01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: in that vein of like, oh, the deep concerns that

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01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: we have blah blah blah, which really is just disgusting

1904
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: and offensive to see these reports at this point.

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Speaker 4: But this is the latest from Axios.

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01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Biden tells Bbe, no Rafa operation without plan to protect

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01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: Palestinian civilians.

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01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 4: Courses we already showed you.

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01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: They already said screw you and have started bombing Rafa

1910
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: without any plan to protect Palestinian civilians. Over one hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty four people dead in air strikes overnight. The

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Speaker 1: details here are he spoke to Bbe on Sunday. He

1913
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: cautioned him against the military operation. Why it matters. There's

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01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,759
Speaker 1: growing frustration. How many times have we heard that sagur

1915
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: in the White House with nat YAO and the Israeli

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01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: government's rejection of several US requests. Biden earlier this week

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Speaker 1: called the Israeli military operation in Gaza over the top.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm sure that'll really make them listen. And

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01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: here's the other thing, is like, if you know anything

1920
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:47,480
Speaker 1: about Netanyahu specifically, his government specifically, but also where Israeli societies,

1921
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: the prosecution of the war in the direction that this

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01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,440
Speaker 1: was going to go in was one hundred percent predictable.

1923
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 1: And predicted, including by people like us who aren't experts

1924
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: at the time. From the beginning, we knew what this

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01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: was going to look like, and all we have ever

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01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 1: gotten are these pathetic and impotent leaks about how concerned

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01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: they are. So the stakes here not only first and

1928
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 1: foremost for Palestinian civilians, but not only for Palestinian civilians,

1929
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: for the region in the broader world, could.

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Speaker 4: Not possibly be higher. Egypt, let's put this out.

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Speaker 1: They are furious about this potential operation, which already appears

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Speaker 1: to have begun in Rafa. They are threatening to suspend

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01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: the Camp David, a course that were negotiated by freaking

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter if Israel pushes in to Rafa and engages

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Speaker 1: in all an assault there. Egypt is threatening to suspend

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01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: that peace treaty if Israeli troops are sent into the

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01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: densely populated Gods of Bordercount of Rafas as fighting there

1938
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: could force the closure of the territory's main aid supply route.

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01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: To Egyptian officials in a Western diplomat said Sunday, the

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01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: threat to suspend the Camp David accords a cornerstone of

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01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: regional stability for nearly half a century came after b

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01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,679
Speaker 1: sent troops into Raffa and said that it was necessary

1943
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,759
Speaker 1: to win the four month old war against the Palestinian

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01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: militant group Hamas. Egypt fears a mass influx of hundreds

1945
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: of thousands of Palestinian refugees who may never be allowed

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01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 1: to return. By the Way, Yaho, in an interview with

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Speaker 1: ABC News, said that civilians in Rafa could flee north,

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01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: saying there are plenty of areas that have been cleared

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Speaker 1: by the armies at Israel's developing a detailed plan to

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Speaker 1: relocate them. A European Union Foreign policy chief Joseph Worrel,

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Speaker 1: he said, and Israeli offensive on Rafa would lead to

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Speaker 1: an unspeakable humanitarian catastrophe and grave tensions with Egypt. Egypt,

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Speaker 1: by the way, was also extremely pissed at Joe Biden's

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Speaker 1: comments that we played earlier accusing them a blocking aid

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Speaker 1: from coming in, and also released a statement saying basically

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Speaker 1: like this is bullshit. We have been trying to help

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Speaker 1: with aid the whole time, but I mean this is

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Speaker 1: a threat of war effectively, is what this looks like.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what That's why I'm actually the most concerned

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Speaker 2: as I am right now because the Egyptians of Camp

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Speaker 2: David peace Accords. I mean, we shouldn't forget Egypt and

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Speaker 2: Israel fought a lot of wars prior to this.

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Speaker 3: I believe the numbers.

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Speaker 2: Five yeah, in terms of the number of full blown

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Speaker 2: military conflicts.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget this.

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Speaker 2: Other than the Keiban missile crisis, the closest that the

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Speaker 2: world has ever come to a nuclear exchange was the

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Speaker 2: yam Kpor war that we were very, very lucky to.

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Speaker 3: Get out of.

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Speaker 2: So there was a reason that those were signed by

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter, and it was considered one of the most

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Speaker 2: important things that he did while he was president, and

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Speaker 2: the building upon that peace.

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Speaker 3: Framework from Osla was such an important part of that. Now,

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Speaker 3: the other.

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Speaker 2: Problem that I see here is again is that the

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Speaker 2: Arab States are genuinely being pushed into a corner. Let's

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Speaker 2: put this up here on the screen. This is from

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Speaker 2: the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They say the KSA warns

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Speaker 2: of quote very serious repercussions of storming and targeting of

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Speaker 2: the city of Rafa in the Gaza Strip. We don't

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Speaker 2: know what exactly that means, but we do know this

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Speaker 2: that the Saudis have a major military, they have capacity,

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Speaker 2: but probably more important for Israel's case, they got a

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Speaker 2: lot of money and they have a lot of money

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Speaker 2: and ties to a lot of people who were very

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Speaker 2: willing to blow themselves up inside of Israel and nearby.

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Speaker 2: As you can ask anybody who fought in Iraq and

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Speaker 2: in Syria or you know who's observed international terrorism. This

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Speaker 2: is one of those where I have to say it again,

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Speaker 2: the Saudi royal family, they don't care about Palestine, They

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Speaker 2: barely even care about the Arabs. But the Saudi population

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Speaker 2: and those Saudi clerics, those people care a lot.

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Speaker 3: And the Ksa.

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Speaker 2: They rely upon basically the acquiescence of their people and

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Speaker 2: of the clerics to keep things going. They've had like

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Speaker 2: a weird daytant over the last twenty five years. If

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Speaker 2: things step up, if there is some sort of ethnic

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Speaker 2: clin they may not have they may not have a choice,

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Speaker 2: you know, to do something militarily to support Egypt. Who

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Speaker 2: knows that we could find ourselves in a serious yam

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Speaker 2: kopor level diplomatic crisis. We've already had the Egyptian president,

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Speaker 2: not president Prime minister, I think, who has said that

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Speaker 2: they quote will sacrifice millions to make sure that there

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Speaker 2: is no mass expulsion of people onto their territory.

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Speaker 3: That is a threat of war.

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Speaker 2: So now it's the question, you know, what is going

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Speaker 2: to happen nasonis as you said, said they can flee north.

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Speaker 2: They're not obviously because it's a you know, critical zone.

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Speaker 2: But the other thing is that you know, we have

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Speaker 2: how much confidence do you really have? And is really

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Speaker 2: targeting because if they blow up the wall or border

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Speaker 2: area crossing, which is this is the real Egyptian fear,

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Speaker 2: then people will just run into the Sinai. And if

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Speaker 2: that happens, you know, it's not like the Israelis are

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Speaker 2: going to let them back in.

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Speaker 3: That's what they want, that's literally their goal.

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Speaker 2: So now we're in a genuine standoff in a crisis,

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Speaker 2: and that's a war, and then we will find ourselves

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Speaker 2: involved in that use we supply both.

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Speaker 3: Sides of it.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, because I mean people have been forced

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Speaker 1: into unimaginable circumstances. They're homes bombed, nothing to return to

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Speaker 1: living intents amidst a million other people starving to death,

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Speaker 1: no sanitation, medical facilities bombed, and so the level of

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Speaker 1: desperation absolutely means that if the border is bombed and

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Speaker 1: the crossing is open, people will flee into Egypt.

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Speaker 3: I would do it too. I don't blame them at all,

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Speaker 3: it's they're fleeing for their lots. I would do the

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Speaker 3: same thing.

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Speaker 1: And not to be clear that those conditions directly created

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Speaker 1: by Israel I mean so you know, and this is

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Speaker 1: another thing they came out and said at that like

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Speaker 1: resettlement ethnic cleansing conference that we covered here, As they said,

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes resettlement are conditions that you create until

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Speaker 1: people leave. So basically you just threaten to kill them

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Speaker 1: and bond their children whatever, until they have no choice

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Speaker 1: but to flee for their lives.

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Speaker 4: And that those are the conditions they have already created.

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Speaker 1: The only thing standing between you know, the complete goal

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Speaker 1: of ethnic cleansing of the territory and not is the

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Speaker 1: Rafa boarding border. So that that's where we are. That

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Speaker 1: is the precipice that we're standing on. And I also

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Speaker 1: want to say, you know, in terms of this leaked

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Speaker 1: phone call of Biden to b b saying like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you can't attack Rafa until there's some sort of plan

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Speaker 1: for civilians run another way, that's basically a green light.

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Speaker 1: That's not saying number one is certainly not saying I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do anything about it. That's number one. Number two,

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Speaker 1: it's not even saying don't do it. It's saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: you have to float some kind of a plan for

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Speaker 1: civilians in the area, which BB is claiming that he's doing,

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Speaker 1: even though there is nowhere else.

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Speaker 4: For these people to go.

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Speaker 1: They are already pressed up against the southern border and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the Gaza strip has already been destroyed

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Speaker 1: and occupied.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's a horrifying and terrifying moment for these human beings,

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Speaker 1: and it is a terrifying moment for us in the

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Speaker 1: world as well. I genuinely think we are on the

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Speaker 1: precipice of absolute chaos.

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Speaker 3: It very much could be.

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Speaker 2: We'll continue to monitor the situation here. Thank you guys

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