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Speaker 3: Hey, everyone on Megan Kelly. Welcome to The Megan Kelly

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Speaker 3: Show and the Conclusion of Fraud. I have a story

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Speaker 3: that I need to share with you. It's one I've

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Speaker 3: never told publicly before, and to do it right, it

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Speaker 3: took virtually my entire family on my husband's side. January

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Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty twenty one, much of the world is

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Speaker 3: still shut down due to COVID. Our family still living

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Speaker 3: in Manhattan and getting ready to travel south for the

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Speaker 3: weekend for my nephew's wedding. As I pack up that Friday,

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Speaker 3: my husband Doug calls, relaying that he has just heard

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Speaker 3: from his then eighty four year old mother, Jackie in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: She's received a disturbing phone call from her daughter, Diane.

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Speaker 3: Diane and her partner Brad are oyster fishermen on Keith Cod.

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Speaker 5: She was hysterical, sobbing and couldn't complete a full sentence,

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Speaker 5: but she said that she was in jail on a

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Speaker 5: drunk driving charge and that I needed to get talked

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Speaker 5: to somebody. That she had a telephone number and they

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Speaker 5: were going to talk to me about getting bail. And

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Speaker 5: this was on a Friday, which I don't know anyway.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know much of anything, but I kept asking

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Speaker 5: her if she was all right, and I did. I

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Speaker 5: just didn't know what to do, and she just said,

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Speaker 5: I'm still scared. I'm terrified. And I asked her where

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Speaker 5: Brad was and she said, oh, well, he's he's in

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Speaker 5: jail too, But she said, I don't really have time.

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Speaker 5: They're not giving me long to talk. You need to

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Speaker 5: call this number.

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Speaker 4: So what did you do next?

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Speaker 5: I called the number and he told me that the

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Speaker 5: court was closed on Friday, and it was COVID, so

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Speaker 5: they had limited times when you could get in. And

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Speaker 5: he told me to call this lawyer whose name I

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Speaker 5: can't remember, and he would walk me through getting the

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Speaker 5: bail money.

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Speaker 3: So this was the support that you were talking to,

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Speaker 3: saying you need to talk to a lawyer. Here's a

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Speaker 3: number you can call. Yes, And then did you call

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Speaker 3: the lawyer?

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Speaker 5: I did. I asked him, why is she there on

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Speaker 5: a drunk driving charge when he doesn't draw once she

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Speaker 5: doesn't drink, and he said, well, she told me she

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Speaker 5: didn't drink, and I believed her. So I've sent off

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Speaker 5: a talk screen or you know, I've sent off for

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Speaker 5: a blood test. I didn't know why Brad was and

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Speaker 5: at once either the court told me or the lawyer

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Speaker 5: told that Brad was in because he assaulted a policeman

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Speaker 5: at the scene of the accident.

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Speaker 3: The lawyer told Jackie the bail for both of them

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Speaker 5: I said, well, I just don't have that kind of

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Speaker 5: give you. I said, I'm going to have I'm going

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Speaker 5: to call my son.

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Speaker 3: And she did, and that's where her son, my husband

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Speaker 3: Doug Brunt comes in.

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Speaker 6: I was in the car and my mom called and

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Speaker 6: she was distressed and agitated and frustrated, saying that she

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Speaker 6: she was hysterically bawling from basically the holding cell at

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Speaker 6: but she needed to be bailed out. Both she and

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Speaker 6: They the police came. They thought that she had been

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Speaker 6: drinking and driving. The police got aggressive with Diane. In

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Speaker 6: And my mom had already spoken with this lawyer. She

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Speaker 6: all of this was happening during COVID, and so he

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Speaker 6: had these reasons why the court was about to close.

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Speaker 6: It was a Friday afternoon. It closes early on Fridays

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Speaker 6: now due to COVID. Nobody's even in there due to COVID,

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Speaker 6: and we need to rush seventeen thousand dollars over to

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Speaker 6: the court or else. Dian and Brad are going to

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Speaker 6: spend the full weekend in jail, and you know everything's

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Speaker 6: going to shut down over the weekend. So they're in

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Speaker 6: there unless we can somehow get the money to bail

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Speaker 6: them out. And we had something like a two hour timeframe.

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Speaker 4: Right, So I remember you called me. You call me

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Speaker 4: and you say I.

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Speaker 6: Might honey handle this, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Basically, and I was like, where's Abby Heavy, We need you.

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Speaker 3: So we were like, wait, this is impossible, first of all,

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Speaker 3: because like the audience doesn't know Diane and Brad, but

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Speaker 3: they are the nicest, kindest, most upstanding, cool people like

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Speaker 3: these are not even potentially drunk driving lunatics to attack

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think if someone got aggressive with Diane,

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Speaker 6: I could see Brad stepping in. That made some sense,

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Speaker 6: but otherwise none of it was in character.

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Speaker 3: The only thing that gave us pause was it was COVID.

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Speaker 3: Things were nuts. Everyone was behaving bizarrely. So there really

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Speaker 3: was a piece that was like, did they have some

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Speaker 4: Did's something like?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 4: It was so bizarre?

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Speaker 6: So mom, Mom gave me the phone number.

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Speaker 1: I call the lawyer.

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Speaker 6: He was explaining he needs seventeen thousand dollars in cash.

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Speaker 6: He reiterates much of what my mom told me, which

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Speaker 6: is the window is closing. It's, you know, due to

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Speaker 6: COVID protocols. The whole thing shuts down at four o'clock

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Speaker 6: when a Friday, and it goes dark for the weekend.

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Speaker 6: So we have only this amount of time to get

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Speaker 6: them out of you know, the holding cell. So you know,

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Speaker 6: can you get seventeen thousand dollars in cash to Cape

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Speaker 6: ideas to how to deal with this, right.

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Speaker 3: So we're like, we're and it's not that easy to

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Speaker 3: get seventeen thousand dollars cash like that.

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Speaker 4: So I'm trying to figure out how to get the money.

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Speaker 3: And you're talking to your mom, trying to call him

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Speaker 3: your mom down, You're calling your brothers letting them know

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Speaker 3: what's happening with Die. Everybody's like, my god, this is

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Speaker 3: a nightmare. And what was the next thing that happened?

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Speaker 3: Trying to remember the next step in the chain.

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Speaker 6: We were scrambling around to try to get money. We're

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Speaker 6: talking to the loawyd. We'd ask him questions that you know,

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Speaker 6: what is a way we can do this? And we

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Speaker 6: had the idea to call Dian Brad's friend in Cape

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Speaker 6: Cod who has sort of a whale watching business. He

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Speaker 6: has a number of big charter boats where you can

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Speaker 6: go out and watch the whales, so off Provincetown, which

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Speaker 6: we've done with him before, which we've done with Yeah,

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Speaker 6: so Steve, And so we call Steve, who, thank god,

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Speaker 6: picks up a phone and we get him up to

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Speaker 4: Here's that friend Steve from Cape Cod.

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Speaker 9: Apparently this needed to be done locally, so Doug called

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Speaker 9: me because I'm a close friend of both rather than Diane's.

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Speaker 9: It was a pretty large sum, and he said that

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Speaker 9: I be reimbursed. We got them out, but because it

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Speaker 6: So then we call back to Laura and say, we've

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Speaker 6: got someone on the ground on the cape with the cash.

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Speaker 5: Where do we go?

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Speaker 6: It says, actually, I'm not there now, so there's no

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Speaker 6: one to receive the cash. So he pivoted to saying,

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Speaker 6: you can use cryptocurrency. Because of again COVID, the courts

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Speaker 6: will accept in these extreme circumstances, the corps will actually

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Speaker 3: And he was saying he was going to give us

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Speaker 3: a wire to send it directly to the court.

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Speaker 6: There was a phone to the court. We could call

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Speaker 6: the court and they had you know, they matched up

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Speaker 6: case numbers.

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Speaker 3: And we did call the court. We called the court.

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Speaker 3: We dialed the number and that the lawyer had given us.

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Speaker 3: We had an official person answer. We were put on hold.

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Speaker 3: They asked us for the case number. We gave them

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Speaker 3: the case number. They looked it up. They said Diane

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Speaker 3: and Brad. They had their names and they verified everything

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Speaker 3: that we'd been told. Thus, far when we come back

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Speaker 3: what happened to Brad and Diane. Thankfully Steve was on

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Speaker 3: the case. We were picking up my conversation with Doug

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Speaker 3: on how to get the crypto delivered.

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Speaker 6: So I remember you were in Manhattan at the time,

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Speaker 6: so I guess he went online and found locations where

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Speaker 6: they have crypto kiosks where you can basically insert cash

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Speaker 6: and it comes out on the other end as cryptocurrency.

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Speaker 6: So that's our next plan. But at this point where

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Speaker 6: like this is nuts, this is very sketchy real but

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Speaker 6: I still thought, you know, going back to what we

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Speaker 6: know Diane's still in.

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Speaker 3: Jail, it was like, maybe there's a sketchy lawyer involved,

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Speaker 3: but really we were like, Dian and Brad are in

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Speaker 3: trouble and we've got to find a way of helping them.

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Speaker 3: And thank god that you enlisted Steve.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so when we call Steve, we say it's got

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Speaker 6: to be crypto now, so stand down on the brown

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Speaker 6: bag of cash. And so Steve's thinking this is so

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Speaker 6: he but he's now fully in it, you know, He's

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Speaker 6: he thought Diane Brad needed rescuing, so he's still in

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Speaker 3: Steve asks for the lawyer's number so he can arrange

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Speaker 3: this payment directly. And here the lawyer gets something very wrong.

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Speaker 3: As Jackie would later explain to me.

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Speaker 5: The town was Barnstable, and he said Barnstable because it's

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Speaker 5: spelled that way, but up there they call it Barnstable.

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Speaker 9: You know, no one local that would have known straight off.

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Speaker 9: You know, he didn't speak like he was even here,

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Speaker 9: so so that was a dead giveaway.

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Speaker 3: That's when Steve decided to drive by Diane and Brad's

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Speaker 3: house and to call the house phone on the way there.

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Speaker 4: Where were Diane and Brad in our.

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Speaker 7: Living room, having a great day, that regular perfect day

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Speaker 7: in our lives, not.

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Speaker 10: In jail, not punching out cups, happy at home.

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Speaker 7: It's been a long time since we been in jail.

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Speaker 7: I was in my recliner and I was very comfortable.

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Speaker 7: In fact, it's a swivel recliner that you know, goes

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Speaker 7: back and forth, it goes every direction in the house

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Speaker 3: They were totally fine. There had been no incident whatsoever. Yes,

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Speaker 11: When we asked him later, he said, I was gonna

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Speaker 6: That was the key to this whole thing, running us

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Speaker 6: That was a bad assumption.

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Speaker 3: Right, They had fooled your mom, which is absolutely amazing

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Speaker 3: Your mom heard a hysterical adult woman claiming she'd broken

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Speaker 5: And that's why he said he believed her when she

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Speaker 3: When you found out that this was an attempted fraud,

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Speaker 5: I was wondering how I could have been so stupid. Frankly,

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Speaker 5: By that time it was out of my hands, and

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Speaker 5: I just watched all of you take over and figure

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Speaker 1: We're loved, We're loved.

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Speaker 4: We did come away from that feeling very loved.

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Speaker 3: It was so sophisticated, you know, the woman calling pretending

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Speaker 5: No? I know I really didn't. No, I have no idea.

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Speaker 5: But then again, with these scams, I can't tell you

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Speaker 5: that says, Grandma, I'm in trouble.

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Speaker 4: I need help.

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Speaker 5: Oh really yes, And it's more fun because now I

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Speaker 5: just say, is your mother proud of what you're doing?

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Speaker 5: And they always hang up on me.

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Speaker 9: So for those out there, it's barnstable if they try

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Speaker 4: Barnstable, so Die and Brad are safe.

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Speaker 3: No one has handed over any money, thank god, and

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Speaker 3: Steve has saved the day. Now Doug and I I

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Speaker 3: All right, I want to take you through my phone

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Speaker 3: call with the scammer now, but to help me walk

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Speaker 3: you through it, I brought in my pal, Bill Stanton.

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Speaker 3: He's former NYPD, a private investigator and a security expert

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Speaker 3: who helps us out sometimes on our own security from

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Speaker 4: Watch this.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to just go to play the call, okay,

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Speaker 3: that I did with this guy once we were finally

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Speaker 3: onto this, and I would love if we could analyze

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Speaker 4: Here we go.

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Speaker 3: This is Paul.

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Speaker 10: Hey, it's Megan Kelly.

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Speaker 3: So I haven't received the bitcoin verification yet.

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Speaker 4: I was using my real name.

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Speaker 3: He knew who I was and I had mentioned that

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Speaker 3: Bat an eye not surprised at that, or are you well?

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Speaker 1: My guess is he's not from this country. He may

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was about to be humiliated exactly.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. What is that bitcoin? Whatever that is? Is that bitcoin?

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Speaker 4: Yes, it hasn't it hasn't come through.

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Speaker 13: Any verification from them at all.

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Speaker 3: No, is there another way of doing this? Because I'm

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Speaker 13: Okay, well, did you take your text messages?

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Speaker 11: Is it?

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Speaker 13: Does it still say a waiting review?

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Speaker 3: Yep, there's nothing. Another one didn't come in, so that's

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's an expert as I would. Listening to

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Speaker 1: It is a mind game that's going on. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you handle it phenomenally. Okay, let's go here we go.

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Speaker 13: Where are you are you located at the machine?

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Speaker 3: I haven't gone down there yet because I don't have

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Speaker 8: You're going to.

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Speaker 13: Have to get on the chat uh and and contact

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Speaker 3: All right, Like, I'm worried about them sitting there all day?

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Speaker 3: Is there any other way of doing this?

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Speaker 3: Like how are they Is there any way of like

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Speaker 4: Just like for now, I.

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Speaker 1: Love what you're doing here because I call it doing

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Speaker 4: It brilliantly because at this point I know, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 10: Like how serious are these charges?

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Speaker 8: Well, they're very serious.

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Speaker 3: So this is one of the weird he took where

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Speaker 4: They just don't drink. It's not their thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, this character is a combination fortune teller con man,

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Speaker 1: many different responses and he knows where the put like

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00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: cut and paste, what type of many Yeah, and that's

445
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: what you were defeating here, and we'll listen as we

446
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: go on. Has he stumbles like a mental computer glitch.

447
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: You'll hear it as you get him.

448
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: He's so clever because he doesn't get thrown at all

449
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: by she doesn't drink.

450
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm on your side. I agree, she wasn't drunk.

451
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 3: That's why I'm mandated blood tests, right, I mean, that's smooth.

452
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: So once once we pay the bill, how long until

453
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: they can get out?

454
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 13: It takes them all forty five minutes to an hour

455
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 13: for them to be released.

456
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: Okay, and where, like, how do we get them?

457
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 13: Are you going to be coming down to pick him up?

458
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: We're not, but we'll find somebody there, Like they have

459
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 3: a friend there who we looped in and he was

460
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: going to try to help, but I don't know. That

461
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 3: didn't work, But he's there so he can get them.

462
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 10: Okay.

463
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 13: Well yeah, I mean, once you guys pay the bailly,

464
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 13: you can have them drive down and they can pick

465
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 13: them up.

466
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: He didn't answer, right, Well, you see, the longer you're talking,

467
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: the more it's giving him a chance to FORMU laid

468
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: some bullshit on what to say back to you.

469
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: He doesn't know the address of the.

470
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: Court, and you are like a cat blocking him off,

471
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: like a mouse trying to get away, and you keep

472
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: putting a poor down. Then he runs the other way. Yeah,

473
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: and then you put a poor down. Here.

474
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 3: He tried to get out of dodge, and I'm like,

475
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: I need the address of the jail so I can

476
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: pick him up.

477
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 4: And he's wondering what to say.

478
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 8: Let me give you the addresser, It's seven, Bedford seven.

479
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: And then I write this down. Wait, what's in what's

480
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 3: the city Bedford?

481
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 10: Okay?

482
00:25:51,800 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: And what's the city Stanford? Stanford, Connecticut? Correct, Paul, They're

483
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 3: in Cape con.

484
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 8: Eater, Absolutely right.

485
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 13: I'm really sorry. I was confused. I have another case

486
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 13: that's in Stanford. Has just been a very long day.

487
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: That was the mental glitch. And this guy is, as

488
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: I said, dozens if not hundreds of coals before. And

489
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: notice how he maintains his calm, right, But there's these

490
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: big people. He doesn't hang up right there, doesn't hang

491
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: up because he's invested in you. You are money on

492
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: the hoof to him right now. He may have ten

493
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: of the calls in process lined up, but right now

494
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: all his focus is to get the money out of you,

495
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: and every second is of course benefit analysis, you know,

496
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: can I still reel this one into the yes?

497
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 13: Right?

498
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: And I think he was either confused because he had

499
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: another potential fish in Stanford, Connecticut, or it was because Stanford,

500
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 3: or it was because Doug was in Connecticut that day.

501
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: That was a year that we were commuting our two

502
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: boys to Connecticut and our daughter was still going to

503
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: school in New York, so we would split up during

504
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: the days. And when he spoke with Doug, I think

505
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 3: Doug said, I'm in Connecticut, so he got confused.

506
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 4: There were too many cities, too many places.

507
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: Too many balls.

508
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly.

509
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 10: So where where are they?

510
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 13: I gave you, and I gave you the address earlier.

511
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 13: It's importance Stable gave us to your husband.

512
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, actual Cape Cotters call it Barnstable, and he's claiming.

513
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: That he's from there.

514
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, they didn't say Barnes.

515
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: Getting burned on multiple areas.

516
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 4: He fell down a little at the job just a second.

517
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 13: Mean, see he's just still there because they could have

518
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 13: been moved. Yeah, it's thirty one ninety five Main Street.

519
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: Thirty one ninety five means street. She's still there, Okay,

520
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: Main Street? And then So what what's that town?

521
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 8: Orange Stable?

522
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: Barn Stable? Okay?

523
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 10: And where are you.

524
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 13: I I'm you know, I'm in Barnstable, but I'm not

525
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 13: turnally here. I'm in Ohio handling some family business and

526
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 13: I'm going to be back here on Monday.

527
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: So why he has to not be in Barnstable because

528
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: he can't receive the money in cash by our friend

529
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: who's ready to deliver cash to his face. Right, He's

530
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: got to be someplace else so that we have to

531
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: wire it bitcoin?

532
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: Right any An? He adds like family business to prey upon,

533
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, your goodwill, and to humanize him, right, like, Oh,

534
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: this guy's a regular guy. It's not a confidence man.

535
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: This is legit.

536
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 4: You can hear him thinking, they can hear the wills

537
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 4: turn is.

538
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: You could hear grinding right right, and you just keep

539
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: throwing monkey wrench after them. Monkey.

540
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: It's great.

541
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: Just ask questions, huh, right? Like that can be harder

542
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: than even like confronting with facts.

543
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 10: Exactly are you sole practitioner or what are you?

544
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 8: I'm a public defendant. I've worked for the state bar.

545
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: Here in Massachusetts. Okay, where'd you go to law school?

546
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: I'm a lawyer too.

547
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 8: I went to a New York John Jay Long.

548
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 10: Oh really, what years you graduate?

549
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 13: I'm sorry, seventy seventy three?

550
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: You graduated law school in seventy three. You don't sound

551
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 3: that old?

552
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I am.

553
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 3: Literally, I graduate law school in ninety five, twenty two

554
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: years older than I.

555
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm maybe seven and a half years old.

556
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: Seriously, I mean at that point that would have made

557
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: him in his mid seventies.

558
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: He does not sound like he's in.

559
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: The seventies, and he's a public defender in his mid seventies.

560
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: So why did he say that? Why do you say

561
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: he was a seventy three because.

562
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: In my opinion, you have his mind racing so much, right,

563
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: that was the first number that flew out of his mind.

564
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: So I think it's because he knew, like he was

565
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: worried I might have gone to John Jay, and he was.

566
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: Like, oh, that's why I can't.

567
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: That's hit the year anywhere.

568
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how old she is, right, you know,

569
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: because these are small law schools, right, like.

570
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean, seventy three.

571
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 4: Jesus, Yeah, he went big. He went to He had

572
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 4: no idea though, he didn't know how old I was.

573
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: That's what I think.

574
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: So the other thing is you know, seventeen thousand dollars

575
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: is a lot of money, And like, what if I

576
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: don't get it back?

577
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 13: What do you mean You're supposed to get it back

578
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 13: once the case is closer, dismissed, once.

579
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: It's closed, or dismissed, right, I mean I don't I

580
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: got it. I gotta be honest with you, like I'm

581
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: not that close with Diane. I'm not. I'm not sure,

582
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: no problem. You know, it's a lot of money.

583
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: That was it, you know, On to the next call,

584
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: onto the next victim.

585
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: So you don't think I hurt his feelings. You think

586
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: it was just like cut my los cut my lawsuit.

587
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 4: I kind of hoped I heard him a little, you know, like, aha,

588
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 4: I got you.

589
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: You didn't even he didn't miss a step, right. You

590
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: became too much of an impediment to him, And it's

591
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: onto the easier fish. Think about a predator. Wolves go

592
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: after the weakest sheep, the slowest, the oldest, the ones

593
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: most vulnerable. And just to make a point, well we

594
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: are laughing here. This is done in various machinations every day.

595
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: Elderly women who are lonely, you know, the Lonely Hearts club.

596
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 1: I've had, you know, through friends and family. I'd say

597
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: about a baker's dozen cases where women in the sixties

598
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: and seventies have sold their homes, have taken loans, sent

599
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: that money, knowing them only a week. Loneliness is the

600
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: son of a bitch. Having an open heart is the

601
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: son of a bitch in this case. So it's a

602
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: combination of having street smart and cyber sense. When these

603
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: things come in, there's a sense of urgency and you

604
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: want to take care of your loved one. And they'll

605
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: come up with a number, and what they look at

606
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: is your social media. We've all been guilty of it,

607
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: some more than others, where we put everything on the

608
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: fen internet, you know, and think about pictures in front

609
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: of your house. I could spot your address. I'm not saying,

610
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'd never do that. I know that, but

611
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: so many of us do. Write so many tells the

612
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: type of car. So for the predator, the cyber predator,

613
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: they're gathering, whether it's one person or a whole network

614
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: of people, they'll gather that intel and like, well only

615
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: my family would know that.

616
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: Well, well, let's talk about that in this case, because

617
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: that's one of the weirdnesses. Jackie Doug's eighty seven year

618
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: old mother is not on social media? Right, Nora is Diane,

619
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: nor is Brad, neither one of them. So this guy

620
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: knew clearly he was targeting an elderly woman, right, and

621
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: he at least knew her daughter's name because he had

622
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: a woman caller tending to be her instead. Mom, it's

623
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: die right, So like how, I don't even know how

624
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: you figure that out?

625
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: Could they have flipped it? Could she have counted your

626
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: sister in law correct? Could she have had her mother,

627
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, online through social media? At mom's eighty five.

628
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: She's not even out. She's not online at all.

629
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: No, your sister in law isn't.

630
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: No.

631
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Oh, well, you know what, then it may be closer

632
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: to home then we know, you know, most crimes like

633
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: God forbid anything. Whatever happened to this home, Like whether

634
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: it be burglary, evandalism, it's not from someone across the country.

635
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: It's the landscaper's cousin. It's someone you know, one or

636
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: twice removed those people. I'll vet him, don't worry, I'll vet.

637
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: Him because that's what's really disturbing. Right, They knew some

638
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: facts about Jack, just about Diane. They knew Diane was

639
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: in Cape cod So I mean that's another thing, right,

640
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: that not online? Right, So it's actually I have no idea,

641
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: but you're right. Maybe it's somebody who somehow knew the family.

642
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: Well, that's the only way. It's either you know, one

643
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: or two people removed or the internet it's been my experience,

644
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: or someone may have reached out. You know, we don't

645
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: know what we don't know. We don't know if your

646
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: sistant law had reached out on some service.

647
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: Or if they called Jackie earlier. Yes, under a different

648
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 3: pretext to do info gas.

649
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: Yes, and they gather that and then it's just in

650
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: the conveyor belt when that time comes up. Okay, we

651
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: have oldest information. They're good to go. There, let's go.

652
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: That's another good warning if somebody calls, and I think

653
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 3: most younger people know this, but especially for our older listeners,

654
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 3: if somebody calls looking for information, asking personal information about

655
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: your family members, names, anything that obviously people know security.

656
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: They ask everything, you know, these surveys and so like

657
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: I'll entertain some of these calls just to see, like

658
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: you know what, where it's just going to go and

659
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: they on everything. I go, yeah, non yah, nonya happen business, you.

660
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: Know, call the wrong guy. Well, I guess that's true.

661
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: He must have gotten it from her or because you

662
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: said maybe's out of the country. I just feel like

663
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 3: he was an American. But that doesn't mean he wasn't

664
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: sitting there in India making these calls. I don't know

665
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: if he was close to them or not, but that

666
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: I hadn't considered that he had already done research potentially

667
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: on Jackie because she wasn't that savvy to this prior

668
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: to this whole event. Yes, all right, let's speak about

669
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: the how elaborate this was. You know, there was an article,

670
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 3: I think it was the Forbes business columnist recently who

671
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: did this whole article about how she'd been defrauded out

672
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: of eighty five thousand dollars cash. She put it in

673
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: a shoe box. Over just the course of eight hours.

674
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: This guy convinced her to do it. And this is

675
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: a financial columnist, so, you know, relatively sophisticated, but gave

676
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: up the dough. And he too, had multiple people working

677
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: with him on the fraud. This guy, I think had

678
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: at least two others. He had a fake courthouse number,

679
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: he had hold music that.

680
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: Tells me it's more than a one man band, Like,

681
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: let's just like as a as A as a sort

682
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: of an example is this show. You're at the top

683
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: of the masthead, but there's a whole infrastructure behind that

684
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: beautiful face. What's going on? You bring your game, but

685
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: you have your people, your producers, your bookers, your everything,

686
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: and to the viewer it seems so seamless, but there's

687
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: a lot to make it happen. Same things with these

688
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: confidence people. They're gathering information instead of producers. They may

689
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: have researchers gathering backstory. Instead of celebrities or politicians, they're

690
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: gathering it on everyday people. They could do an easy

691
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: you know, Journeyman's a financial assessment. You know, is that

692
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: house paid for? Do they how many what's the type

693
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: of cause do they have? Do they have that discretionary

694
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: cash or are they alone? Are they desperate enough? Do

695
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: they have family? These are all the stress points if

696
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: you will, that these confidence men, that these teams will

697
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: look at and they use psychology. They listen. It happened

698
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: to me and I'm in the business, I was in

699
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: a different form. I'm on my computer. My computer got

700
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: hacked and I was so desperate. I didn't want them

701
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: getting my shit. Yeah, so I'm on it, and a

702
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: little voice I called up Andy, the guy we use,

703
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: you know, that's helped you in the past, and and

704
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: he's like, discontinue right now. I'm like, but I'm gonna

705
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: lose my He goes, I'm fucking telling you dead. And

706
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: I was that old granny. Yeah, right about to give

707
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: away all my shit. Oh, there is no socioeconomic intelligence

708
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: quotient that makes you immune. It's been my experience sometimes

709
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: the smarter you are, you know, you're so confident into

710
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: who you are. Oh, this would never happen to me.

711
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: I would be able to disseminate the bs. Yes, and

712
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: they hit that pay button sooner than someone from the street.

713
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: Well, we love the piece of the story that ultimately

714
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 3: it was the cape cod Wailing who was like.

715
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 4: I'm going by their house.

716
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what these people are saying, and he

717
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: figured it out.

718
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: He's the hero of ten for that.

719
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: Okay, So what about the targeting of the elderly, because

720
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: that does seem to be a theme in a lot

721
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: of these.

722
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, what they'll do again they go on people's

723
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: nature or that they could lose their home.

724
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 3: How do they find out who's elderly and how to

725
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: call them? Like do they get a sponsorship from the

726
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: AARP or one of those magazines not to bash the airpeople.

727
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: And I'm just saying like, is there a way of

728
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: getting people's numbers who are old?

729
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can go there are services where you

730
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: can get demographics of people. So like my house was

731
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: up for sale, like you mass exodus out of New

732
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: York and I had all these people like kind of

733
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: f do you know? How do you have my cell

734
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: number number one?

735
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 11: Right?

736
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: And how do you know my house is for sale?

737
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: Oh we'll pay cash? Oh can I show you a house?

738
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: Because there are services that you pay into and you

739
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: get some certain demographics. So for me, I'm selling my house.

740
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: There are elderly groups. If she ever signed on to

741
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: any AARP or some type of association, those lots of

742
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, the intelligence gathering of who you are, what

743
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: you are, what demographic you are, the same way advertisers

744
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: buy that.

745
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: Voters like the camp yes, the campaigns right now.

746
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: Some way you know, certain demographics want that information for sales.

747
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: They get it from Marks tomorrow.

748
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: How much they can find out about us.

749
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: And it's scary, and it's the basic psychology you see

750
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: when we're in our home. You're an old elderly lady,

751
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: you may be widowed, you're all alone, and your primary

752
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: thing is to go to the market to get that

753
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: sale and come home your hit added blue, your hit

754
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: added a blue with a member of your family that's

755
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: in distress, and you could hit that button and you're

756
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: going to be walked through it to get them out

757
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: of trouble. That's what you live for.

758
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: And they know that there are so many people who

759
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: are in this exact position right now, and it's like

760
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: I think my audience is in generally in general, they're

761
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: a lot younger than eighty seven. So I urge everybody

762
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: speak to your parent, speak to your great aunt, speak

763
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: to anybody who's in.

764
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: This age group.

765
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: And speak to your friends too, because it's not just

766
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 3: the elderly, and let them know that this is out there.

767
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: Whether I get a thing, whether it's this particular one,

768
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: whether it's they hack into your computer, whether you're on

769
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: one of those dating sites, they go to the basic

770
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: emotion and need and insecurity of people, and just realize,

771
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: take that breath, take a step back, because nothing is

772
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: unless you're in a car creage where you have to

773
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: hit that break, you know, hit the brake in your mind,

774
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: hit that cyber break, hit that telephone break, and ask

775
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: questions and say give me a number, let me get

776
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: back to you. It can wait ten minutes, and that

777
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: could save you a whole bunch of money, a whole.

778
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 4: Bunch of gees.

779
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: And I will say, in that fraud that I mentioned

780
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: that the business reporter wrote up about that happened to her,

781
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: and in this attempted fraud of us, one of the

782
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: things that she didn't do and that we didn't do

783
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: and should have done, was to do an independent Google

784
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 3: search of the number of the courthouse or in her case,

785
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: I don't remember that it was like this, she said.

786
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: They said she was getting investigated by the federal government.

787
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: But whoever they say is the third party? Right, just

788
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: hang up and do a Google search, don't call their number,

789
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: call you find out the number.

790
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 4: Right, you make an independent call to see if.

791
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 3: This is real, now and get the fraudster's number so

792
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: you can then call go.

793
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 1: One step further, because there are apps I can call

794
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: you and it looks like it's coming from Doug's number. Yeah,

795
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: that technology exists out there that's rude to messicy. What Yes,

796
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: I can call you right now and it would ring

797
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: Doug's number and you would answer WOA. So there are

798
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: different levels to this, and you know, but if.

799
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: I'm dialing out, I mean, like that's that's the empowerment

800
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: is if you are dialing out on your phone, then

801
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: you take a Barnstable courthouse right right?

802
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: Like I had Amazon. I had an Amazon scam and

803
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: it was online. It came over a text right, you know,

804
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: did you charge this on Amazon? Click here? Fuck that?

805
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: I got on the phone with Amazon Direct, you know,

806
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, is this what you do?

807
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 4: They go?

808
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. They I go, is this the thing? They go,

809
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: that's a thing, don't you get?

810
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: I get it.

811
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 4: Attempted frauds at me every day.

812
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: Via email, email, like on this, so it's like I

813
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: usually just forward them to Abby and she deals with

814
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 3: it or like the scams and she puts these blockers

815
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,479
Speaker 3: on my phone. But it's amazing because most people don't

816
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: have an Abby and most people haven't had this happen

817
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: to them, and they're not living on guard. They're actually

818
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: still trusting, loving people, Unlike us cynical bastards.

819
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 7: We are.

820
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: We always got taken in.

821
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: Let me tell you it's listen essentially with good people.

822
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: We care about people. But f that like I had

823
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: a lady. I was in midtown. This was a number

824
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: of years ago, middle aged, well dressed woman and she

825
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: hit me with the gasoline. Oh my car. And I

826
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: was fascinated that this woman was well dressed, well spoken,

827
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: and she's hitting me up. I said, I'll walk you

828
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: to your car right now. Oh, I really get and

829
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: then she just walked away. So they pray, you know,

830
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: upon your good nature. And again, you know, many people

831
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: don't haven't been raised from the streets, you know, but

832
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: it's incumbent to have those street smarts. Yeah, and bad

833
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: guys don't necessarily dress up like an old Batman bad

834
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: guy t shirt. No. Now it's on the internet and

835
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: the cyber world is a whole other animal. And just

836
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: remember always press the brakes and question, question, question.

837
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: Yes, you're not surprised the cops weren't interested. That's how

838
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: they get away with it.

839
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: Though it's low level. It's low and their priority list.

840
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: You know, many police departments aren't sophisticated in tracking this down.

841
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: It's more an FBI issue.

842
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 4: Actually, and this cross state lines, right, you know.

843
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: That's why it's more of an FBI issue. And we know,

844
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, they have their own problems.

845
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: I had all my evidence, I had that number, I

846
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 3: had the court number.

847
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: Tell you won't turning out this is this was actually

848
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: your first undercover. We've done another on.

849
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 4: Degree, we've done an undercover.

850
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: Since you are, you're proving to be quite you know,

851
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: I thought my initials would bes you're getting very good

852
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 1: at this. Megan Kelly, you're getting a little bit too good.

853
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: I do love I mean, like the elderly. I love

854
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 4: my Matt Locke.

855
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: I love my Jessica Murder. She wrote, you know I

856
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: aspired a great things. Bill Stanton, thank.

857
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: You ten for thank you for having me.

858
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 3: Thanks to my family, Doug, Die and Brad, my mother

859
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 3: in law Jackie. Thanks to Steve for helping us bring

860
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: this story to you. I mean, can you believe this? Like,

861
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: isn't that a nuts story? It's Craig Cray And honestly,

862
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: Doug and I have had so many conversations about I

863
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: remember we had dinner with all these friends, was still

864
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 3: the COVID lockdowns, and we we sneaked at dinner, not

865
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: sorry to tell you at our apartment because crazy Andrew

866
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: Cuomo's still trying to tell us weren't allowed to do

867
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And we told our friends' story

868
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: that night, and everyone was riveted.

869
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: Right because no one could believe this crap.

870
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: And I know you're thinking as soon as you hear crypto,

871
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: you're like, wait a minute, and we too were like what.

872
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: But it was just the COVID weirdness, the fact that

873
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 3: we had spoken with the court, we thought ourselves, and

874
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 3: the fact that we hadn't yet even thought to question

875
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 3: Jackie's telling us she had spoken with Diane herself and

876
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: that she was really in trouble like that didn't even

877
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: enter our minds that that piece of the story might

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Speaker 3: not be true. So anyway, words of caution in this

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Speaker 3: story for everyone, And honestly, you need to know this,

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Speaker 3: right because what if this happened to your mom or you,

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Speaker 3: and now you'll know, like if we hadn't told a story,

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Speaker 3: you might not know, maybe you would be hoodwinked.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, it can happen, trust me.

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Speaker 3: So we decided to tell you the story, even though

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Speaker 3: we knew you might mock us a little because we

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Speaker 3: want to help others, and we learned a lot to ourselves.

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Speaker 4: I think all of us did.

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Speaker 3: Hope all of you learn something from today's show and

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Speaker 3: from Fraud Week all week, because sadly, there are fraudsters

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Speaker 3: out there working hard every day to steal your money

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Speaker 3: or something precious, and most of these never see the

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Speaker 3: light of day. They just happened privately because people are

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Speaker 3: too embarrassed to talk about it or scared. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 3: either humiliated, and I get it, but there's no reason

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Speaker 3: to be humiliated if you get defrauded by one of

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Speaker 3: these losers, or almost defraud in our case, what does

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Speaker 3: it say about you? It says you believe in human nature,

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Speaker 3: you believe in others. You probably have a kind heart.

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Speaker 3: You're probably a trusting soul. Those are not bad things, right,

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Speaker 3: but slightly jaded, trusting soul, but slightly jaded. I think

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Speaker 3: that's what we're going for. So that's why we shared,

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Speaker 3: and that's why we hope everybody listens and shares and

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Speaker 3: talks about these kinds of things more and more so

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Speaker 3: we can help each other. All right, I'd love to

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Speaker 3: hear from all of you. Do you have a fraud story?

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Speaker 3: Have you been inspired or helped by our fraudek week?

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Speaker 3: Email me at Megan m E. G y N at

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Speaker 3: Megankelly dot com. I'll definitely be reading. We do read

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Speaker 3: the emails. I see them every week and I love

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Speaker 3: going through them. I read them on Mondays. We get

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Speaker 3: them collective from the week before, and there's nothing quite

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Speaker 3: like hearing from all of you.

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Speaker 4: So would love for you to email me for now.

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Speaker 3: My family and I are off next week on a

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Speaker 3: family vac but we are back live on June twenty fourth,

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Speaker 3: and there's going to be plenty to do that week,

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Speaker 3: as there should be the first presidential debate.

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Speaker 4: Of the twenty twenty four election contest. See you them.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No bs,

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Speaker 3: no agenda, and no fear.