1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: with you. Let me tell you about Susan Plunkett. Doctor 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Susan Plunkett is a New York State licensed clinical psychologist, 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: and for more than thirty plus years, she has been 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: in private practice working with individuals, couples, and families. From 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and six to two thousand and nine, she 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: served as a member of the Board of Trustees of 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: the Young Foundation, and currently he is on the advisory 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: board of Quadrant, the journal of the CG. Young Foundation 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: for Analytical Psychology. Plunkett is also a fantasy fiction writer. 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Her first novel, with When Every Breath Becomes a Prayer, 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: reflects her interests in the Youngee and dream analysis. Now 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: her new book, Mission from Venus pushes further into the 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: fantasy worlds of the fifth and sixth dimensions. Susan, Welcome 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: to the program. Thank you, happy to be here. Well, 17 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to this. How did you become a 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: Youngeean psychologist and a Young Gian? Of course, was with 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: the psychiatrist doctor carl Or Young, who was in the 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: dreams and everything else didn't get along with Sigmund Freud. 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: How did you get into this? I was living in Berkeley, California, 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: and one day I picked up the phone and I 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: called the New School for Social Research, and it just 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: came to me that that I should come back to 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: New York and go to graduate school. And once I 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: was there, I knew that it would be Young because 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: he was mystical and he believed that healing really required 28 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: contact with the divine for you to finally heal. It's 29 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: not enough just to work on your symptoms. You really 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: have to find something inside yourself to be completely healed. 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: You have to find that spark of divine in your 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: own soul in order to be completely healed. And that 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: really appealed to me. So then you know that was 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: I started it, that started it. And do you think 35 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: Young was probably one of the best psychiatrists out there, 36 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: the best ever in my opinion? Yeah, I think I 37 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: love him. He said so many brilliant things, Like one 38 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: of my favorite things that he said was the meeting 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances. 40 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: If there's any reaction, both are transformed. It's so wonderful, 41 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: and it's true. It's not just about falling in love, 42 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: but it could be meeting a new friend or having 43 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: a boss, or it is alchemy between people. Why did 44 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: he have such a falling out with Sigmund Freud. I 45 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: think it was over this issue. I mean, you know 46 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: people have later said, oh, it is because he wouldn't 47 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: accept Freud's sexual fear. But it was deeper than that. 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: It was because Freud was fearful of mysticism. He just 49 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: didn't want to go there. And Young could not help himself. 50 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: He was a spiritual, deeply spiritual man. Was there a 51 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: jealousy there, Susan, you think between someone between either Carl 52 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Jung or Sigmund Freud or both. I think Freud did 53 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: not want his authority questioned. He had a lot of 54 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: brilliant men around him, and Young was one of them. Yeah, 55 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: and Freud didn't want his authority questioned. He wanted to 56 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: be the only one generating the ideas. But if Young 57 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: was to come into his full potential, he had to 58 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: break from this father figure. But it cost him. He 59 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: nearly lost his mind in the breaking with Freud. He 60 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: couldn't work for a couple of years. And he slept 61 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: with a gun under his He's fearful, but he got 62 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: through it. He finally got through it. He lost him 63 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: personally a lot to break with Freud because he loved Freud. 64 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: They were dear friends. In the beginning. There was almost 65 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: like father's son, and Freud wanted to pass the mantle 66 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: to Young, but it had to be his mantle and 67 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: his belief system, and Young wanted his own belief system. 68 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: He didn't want to just be the child of the 69 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: great man. He wanted his own greatness. He wanted his 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: own ideas she thought, which he felt compelled to bring 71 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: into the world. What did he think of dream Susan 72 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: Young thought dreams like Freud. I mean, that's how they 73 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: first met because Freud had written a book and was 74 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: published in nineteen oh one called The Interpretation of Dreams, 75 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: and Young read it and that's why he was drawn 76 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: to him. But Freud's view of dreams, wonderful as it 77 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: was and helpful as it is, was limiting. And because 78 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: they had a different conception of the unconscious, Freud just 79 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: thought it was stuff we couldn't tolerate, and we would 80 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: stuff it in there like and it was just an 81 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: attic or abasement, just get out of my sight. But 82 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: Young felt it was a world of wonder, notsious with 83 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: stuff that was upsetting to us, but a gateway to 84 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: all kinds of realms and realities, and that the more 85 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: of it that could become conscious, the deeper and richer 86 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: our life would be. And you know, he believed that 87 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: not very few dreams are precognitive, less than one percent, 88 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: but all dreams can see around corners and into the future. 89 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: In dreams, we remember the future just like we remember 90 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: the past, because the unconscious is not limited by time 91 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: and space. You know, in our waking reality we believe 92 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: time is linear. We don't realize we're telepathic and we 93 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: can buy, locate, and we have all kinds of powers. 94 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: But in our dreams we have so many powers. So 95 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: Young wanted he wanted a much bigger picture of the 96 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: unconscious and power of dreams than Freud had. What was 97 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: his theory susan on where dreams came from. He believed 98 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: that dreams were generated from the unconscious, but exactly what 99 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: the unconscious is is not quite not always defined. For example, 100 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: dreams are coming from many different realities, multiple realities. Some 101 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: are coming from past lives, even from past lives on 102 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: other planets in other galaxies, even from times before planet 103 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: Earth existed, because there was time before the Big Bang. 104 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: Because dark matter is older than the Big Bang, if 105 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: there even was a Big Bang, we know that it 106 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: all didn't start there, because the absolute universe is far 107 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: older than the billions of years that our universe exists. 108 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: The dreams can be coming from from multiple realities, and 109 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: they come we we download them from the collective unconscious, 110 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: from what some people call the absolute or the divine, 111 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: or the or the net of possible realities. So there's 112 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: no limit on what people can dream. There are only 113 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: limits on what we remember because we have these things 114 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: called minds and egos, and they can block our memory 115 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: because the ego wants to be in control. It doesn't, 116 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't value dreams. Why is it that only under 117 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: hypnotherapy do people remember their past lives. We just don't 118 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: know it now, I mean, yeah, we don't know it. 119 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: You're right, we don't know it in waking consciousness because 120 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: the laws around incarnating on Earth require all beings who 121 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: are born here or even who try to come here, 122 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: to pass through the Vale Forgetting and the vale forgetting 123 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: was placed around Earth after the Martians came to the 124 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: were brought to the planet after they had a nuclear 125 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: war which destroyed their atmosphere. The Council of Nine, in 126 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: charge of this part of the galaxy our spiral Ring, 127 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: had to put them somewhere because their planet wasn't inhabitable 128 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: and Mars at that time was also a third dimensional planet, 129 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: So they brought the descerment to breathe the Martians to 130 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: Earth in their light bodies because their physical bodies were 131 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: all dead from the nuclear explosion. But they still thought 132 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: that the Martians were too warlike, so they altered them 133 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: and let them incarnate here. However, that was against You're 134 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: not supposed to if you're going to be on Earth, 135 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be able to have free will, and 136 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: it was later determined that the free will of the 137 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: Martians had been violated. So after that the Council of 138 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: Nine place to quarantine around Earth, saying that you can't 139 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: you can't tamper with the evolution of the beings evolving 140 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: on Earth. They must be allowed to evolve as they 141 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: will and find their way back to source without being 142 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: tampered with, and they can't know they came from source. 143 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: They must wake up on their own, which is a 144 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: huge task because we get very caught up in life 145 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: here anyway. So that's why we have the veil of forgetting. 146 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: And I've got to ask you, how do you know 147 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: this is so? Well? I believe it's so because when 148 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: I write, ideas come to me, just dropped from heaven, unasked, 149 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: they just come. I think you're being helped and assisted. 150 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: I know that I'm being helped because I couldn't think 151 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: this stuff up. I mean, I'm, you know, just an 152 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: ordinary person. But I believe nobody's ordinary. We all are. 153 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: We all are intuitive if we allow it. Like years ago, 154 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: when I was a young psychologist, I was always going 155 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: to psychics and channels and I was always told, you know, 156 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: you're a channel, and I was afraid. I said, no, 157 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: I'm just a psychologist starting out. I can't I can't 158 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: do that, and I think I just wouldn't allow it 159 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: to happen. But as I got older, when I got 160 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: into my sixties, I became more open to things through 161 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: you know, through various things. Sixties. You thought you sound 162 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: like you're in your thirties. I'm seventy three. My birthday 163 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: was Sunday. Are you really well? Good for you? Yeah? 164 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: I just and I started writing. I started writing first 165 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: in my forties, gave it up again, in my fifties, 166 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: gave it up, and then in my sixties I said, 167 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm just going to do this. I'm being told to 168 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: do this, and I'm not going to block it. And 169 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: I knew that because I'd been told also by an 170 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: archangel channel that I was supposed to write a trilogy. 171 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I can't. I have too 172 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: much work, I have all my patients. I'm not going 173 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: to write a trilogy, right. And after about a month 174 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: of ranting, I said, all right, sit down, because I 175 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: was told it would just come through me. And the 176 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: first book that came was I call the whole trilogy. 177 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: Mission from Venus was Mission from Venus, which tells all 178 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: these things about how people were called people, not people, entities, 179 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: higher dimensional beings were a call went out across the 180 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: universe to help Earth because we're now moving into the 181 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: fourth dimension, but not enough of us are waking up 182 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: and moving into the fourth dimension too, and it's a 183 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: benign universe and the divine wants us to evolve. So 184 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: the story goes that a call went out for help, 185 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: and thousands of volunteers from the fifth dimension higher fourth dimension, 186 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: fifth Dimension gathered on Venus to train so that they 187 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: could incarnate as human infants, because you can't just come 188 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: here unless you slip through the quarantine like some dark 189 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: beings do. But really, to live here, you have to 190 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: be born here. That's the law. And so these higher 191 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: dimensional beings agree to give up all their higher dimensional 192 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: powers and be born as infants. So the first book 193 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: Mission from Venus, their training. The second book, which comes 194 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: out in December, they're they're twenty one years old, and 195 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: they're all they're on Earth, and the story will follow 196 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: does follow eight of them. So I forget the original 197 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: question you out. You hit on that. I was asking 198 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: you how you even knew this to be? And then 199 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: if on why hypnotherapy was the way to bring out 200 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: these past lives. Yeah, because because it gets around the 201 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: waking ego, you know, it kind of puts that to sleep. 202 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: That's the same thing in dreams. You can dream your 203 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: past lives because once you get the mind or the 204 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: ego at the way, you have access to much more 205 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: information about who you really are, which is a defined being. 206 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: Every single one of us walking on this earth has 207 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: unimaginable powers and we've been told that. We've been told 208 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: that by Buddha, by Mohammed, by Jesus he said, you 209 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: two can do what I do, make the blind sea 210 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: rise from the dead. You know, we've been told it 211 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: again and again by Some people call them avatars. I 212 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: call them wanderers. I believe. You know, we've always had wanderers, 213 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: who people higher beings who incarnate is human to help us, 214 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: like like Ben Franklin or Tesla and certainly Jesus Da Vinci. Oh, 215 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: of course they incarnate, and they because they want to 216 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: bring more light to the planet and help us at all. 217 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: But each of us, each of us has, has the 218 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: same capacity to awaken and transform. And that's what that's 219 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: what our task is, I believe. Listen to more Coast 220 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: to Coast AM every weeknight at one a m. Eastern 221 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: and go to Coast to Coast am dot com for 222 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: more