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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to It could happen here, and it

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Speaker 1: continues to happen here. UM. I'm Robert Evans. This is

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Speaker 1: a podcast about things falling apart and what to do

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Speaker 1: after that happens. And we are all currently dealing with

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Speaker 1: the falling apart of several decades of progress on reproductive justice. UM.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court leaking that UM they are coming for

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Speaker 1: We have two guests from the bridget Alliance in the

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Speaker 1: they do in a second. Broadly speaking, both seek to

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let our guests introduce themselves. UM, you've

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Speaker 1: got the floor. Well, Hi, I am O'Dell Shelley. I

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Speaker 1: so y'all have been in some ways kind of dealing

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Speaker 1: They're usually a thin margin, um as far as conservative

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Speaker 1: think that's that's all very important and a good note

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Speaker 1: are we um? Should we should? We? Let y'all get

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Speaker 1: back to your very important work. UM, And thank you

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Speaker 1: You know. I think that's so disheartening if that happens.

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Speaker 1: And like, hopefully the flood of emails but not necessarily

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