Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? So let's talk about themes overall for
Speaker 1: a second, because when we first started talking about this
Speaker 1: podcast and you were like yes, thank god, so that
Speaker 1: empowered me to move forward. One of the things we
Speaker 1: talked about were the themes and the everlasting quality of
Speaker 1: the themes. And so this is our third or fourth
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And last week the pilot episode has
Speaker 1: ghosting and can women have sex like men? No one
Speaker 1: cares about what can women have sex like men? Which
Speaker 1: is super interesting, but I care about it.
Speaker 2: Right, it was unspoken totally.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a very big deal. I still
Speaker 1: think it's a big.
Speaker 2: It's still a big deal. I mean, it's still a
Speaker 2: big deal. I mean, and we went on to illustrate
Speaker 2: that great comic effect, but it is a very big
Speaker 2: deal can women have sex like men?
Speaker 1: But I do feel like society has progressed somewhat like
Speaker 1: the youngster.
Speaker 2: We talked about it. Oh, it's already off the table
Speaker 2: because we proved over many years that thesis. Oh so
Speaker 2: if it's not a shock.
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 2: Got it? Got it? Like they feel, okay, if women
Speaker 2: have they do yes, they can because of sex and
Speaker 2: the city. They can sex.
Speaker 1: But then the ghosting thing, everybody was like ghosting, ghosting,
Speaker 1: So like the talk shows picked up that we talked
Speaker 1: about ghosting, that we didn't have the word ghosting, but
Speaker 1: like that Sarah Winter character, you know, they're also picking
Speaker 1: out China, buying apartments, whatever they're doing, and then he's
Speaker 1: just gone. They talked about that on the talk shows,
Speaker 1: and I was so fascinated by the fact that our
Speaker 1: pilot episode theme, one of them is now thirty years
Speaker 1: later being picked up again to be discussed on the
Speaker 1: talk shows in the morning. Yes, yeah, it's unbelievable. So
Speaker 1: to you if you think about because there's been obviously
Speaker 1: so many episodes in our films, and just like that,
Speaker 1: you know, what are the what are the biggest themes
Speaker 1: for you? What do you feel the strongest about? Are
Speaker 1: there any that you regret?
Speaker 2: I think the first thing that came into my mind
Speaker 2: that I think is evergreen is am I enough? Am
Speaker 2: I enough alone? Whatever that means? Whatever that means, am
Speaker 2: I enough? I think am I enough is something people
Speaker 2: are always asking because of the way we get sort
Speaker 2: of dragged up in society where we're not all completely
Speaker 2: perfect ever, Ye, So am I enough? Is really important?
Speaker 2: If you look at any episode, it's this very big
Speaker 2: struggle of people trying to be there for themselves. When
Speaker 2: they're strong, they're there for other people. When they're vulnerable,
Speaker 2: their friends are there for them. But it's constantly letting
Speaker 2: the anarchists, the anarchy of saying single people are enough,
Speaker 2: being single is enough, that is still not done. Society
Speaker 2: is still it's still it's still it's almost reversing now.
Speaker 2: But the idea that I might not be enough if
Speaker 2: I don't have someone in my life is the evergreen
Speaker 2: wound and gift of the series. And then also am
Speaker 2: I right.
Speaker 1: To be?
Speaker 2: To do things my way?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean. Charlotte's great struggle through the whole series was
Speaker 2: she had to rebel against society's versions of her life.
Speaker 2: Started out, what she wanted was so different than what
Speaker 2: she finally accepted, right to the point of, you know,
Speaker 2: we put that whole it's almost all. I mean, we
Speaker 2: did that with all the character both with Charlotte, it
Speaker 2: was clear like, oh, be careful what you wish for, definitely,
Speaker 2: I mean, And the reason Charlotte got married and that
Speaker 2: was kind of shocking because it was supposed to be
Speaker 2: by then the show was the branded for single girls, right,
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, no, she'd get married, so
Speaker 2: we haven't.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was what she wanted.
Speaker 2: Well that's what a person would do, so let's do that.
Speaker 2: And then how do we torture her? And you did
Speaker 2: and we did. But the fact of the matter is
Speaker 2: we didn't pretend for seven episode seasons that she could
Speaker 2: never find anyone, because A, it was you, crazy, it
Speaker 2: was you who anybody would marry. And two it was
Speaker 2: a challenge to have one of the single people get married. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then what does that mean and how does it
Speaker 2: affect the relationships? So I guess the idea is, you know,
Speaker 2: is it okay to be just you?
Speaker 1: Right? And what about like chosen family?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean well, I mean I wrote it. It's
Speaker 2: this thing that I see people clipping a lot of
Speaker 2: maybe we could be each other's soulmates and just let
Speaker 2: the guys be these cute, fun guys to have fun with.
Speaker 2: I mean that the importance of that is that lets
Speaker 2: all the guys off the hook. You know, the guys
Speaker 2: are off the hook, and you know that whole idea
Speaker 2: that you don't necessarily get everything you need from a partner.
Speaker 1: Which is so important to say, because it's not how
Speaker 1: we're socialized.
Speaker 2: No we're not. We're socialized that you're like you know,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Like the person, the person.
Speaker 2: Who wants to be on the I mean, and as
Speaker 2: you grow, you go like, oh, I get laughs from
Speaker 2: that person, I get sex from that person. I get
Speaker 2: sometimes laughs and sex, but I get my friends give
Speaker 2: me my friends give me things that my partner can't.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, it's just that's that soulmate thing
Speaker 2: is really not that we could be each other's soulmates.
Speaker 2: That's thrilling because you've got it covered because you're only
Speaker 2: supposed to get That episode is special because it's all
Speaker 2: about rejecting the idea of one person right for each
Speaker 2: person right.
Speaker 1: And it's funny that I say the line, sure, of.
Speaker 2: Course it's great, and then of course you're the one
Speaker 2: who gets not.
Speaker 1: That right, which had to be the way.
Speaker 2: But I love in that episode how she sort of
Speaker 2: bends her own rules when she's talking about Carrie, like, well,
Speaker 2: you kind of this and then had things.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of bending of the rules
Speaker 1: over time too. For a life right, absolutely, And I
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about Carrie a little bit
Speaker 1: because I'm going to have Sarah on Zoon and I'm
Speaker 1: so scared because you know, there's this like thing about
Speaker 1: Carrie now many years later, thirty whatever, twenty seven years later,
Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, Carrie's this carry is that I
Speaker 1: don't like Carrie. Carrie. No, No, you know there's things out there.
Speaker 1: Michael's not on social media, you guys. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: love that about it.
Speaker 2: But last time, my head still attached because it had
Speaker 2: n't blown. You're protecting here. The first season of n
Speaker 2: just like that. I'm like, really, okay.
Speaker 1: A great attitude, a great attitude. And for me, I
Speaker 1: look at it like in a vague way, by.
Speaker 2: The way, wrong, what the first reaction to the first
Speaker 2: season of EN just like that, by the way wrong, right,
Speaker 2: their reaction, the craziness of it. But I think that's
Speaker 2: also expectations of how these people grew and didn't grow anyway,
Speaker 2: go ahead, So.
Speaker 1: Sarah, of course, none of us can be objective about
Speaker 1: our characters at this point.
Speaker 2: I mean, were we ever?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, right, but there used to be
Speaker 1: a little bit and now there's none like You've been
Speaker 1: around on the set where someone you says, I don't
Speaker 1: even know, I'm gonna have CYNTHI onsen too, But you
Speaker 1: remember that time you were like, so, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, but I've rarely seen you have your breath taken
Speaker 2: away by what you're going to or not going to say.
Speaker 2: As your editor shows.
Speaker 3: Up, I know, right, what are you going to say?
Speaker 3: So this isn't going to go well for me? No,
Speaker 3: it's totally that this is going to be charming for somebody,
Speaker 3: but me go.
Speaker 1: Ahead, No, it's going to be great. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: hard for them because I've got to figure out what
Speaker 1: I'm going to say to them, because no one's objective
Speaker 1: is my main point, right, Like I'm not. People in
Speaker 1: the beginning would say like, how are you like Charlotte?
Speaker 1: How are you not?
Speaker 2: And I could be like.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah bah boah like Charlotte blah blah blah ba,
Speaker 1: but not, you know, twenty seven years later, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean it's you know what people say about you
Speaker 2: twenty seven years later, what, oh my god, Charlotte's so
Speaker 2: amazing nah. And it's because I think the kids and
Speaker 2: the strength of it and the sort of what kids
Speaker 2: do to your character. And I think that we were
Speaker 2: able to really have Charlotte in just like that be
Speaker 2: the one who is the mother of everybody. And that's
Speaker 2: why people are feeling that about Charlotte is because she
Speaker 2: is the mother to her own children, but also sometimes
Speaker 2: the mother to her friend group another I mean tough
Speaker 2: love sometimes and most times listening and supportive.
Speaker 1: Which is amazing. But I also feel the part of
Speaker 1: what they're responding to is the fact if you followed
Speaker 1: us the whole time, which so many people have, which.
Speaker 2: Is so now again because of Netflix.
Speaker 1: Yeh, yes, it's the whole new group. Like the growth
Speaker 1: is a very I can't think off the top of
Speaker 1: my head of any other person actor who has gotten
Speaker 1: to have this. I mean, obviously the four of us
Speaker 1: and or three of us have you know, a very
Speaker 1: very long I know it's time, which is insane and
Speaker 1: such a gift, But if you just think about Charlotte's
Speaker 1: beginning and where we're.
Speaker 2: At now, yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's just not happening out there in the world for
Speaker 1: anybody else. So I am the luckiest person and that's
Speaker 1: because of you. And that's what people respond to okay.
Speaker 2: So tell me about the Cynthia thing.
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 2: So where I'm no, no, you're not okay, then then
Speaker 2: do tell me definitely no, you're.
Speaker 1: You're not on the hook for any of this.
Speaker 2: Oh really, no, that's what you think. Watch what I
Speaker 2: can do with it.
Speaker 1: You're definitely not. No, this is about people. So this
Speaker 1: is my perspective on it, and I want yours. So
Speaker 1: I think people way back in the beginning, they'd be like,
Speaker 1: am I a Carrie? Am I Charlotte? Am I?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: And they'd have their own idea of themselves within what
Speaker 1: we were showing, and they would then own that, oh
Speaker 1: I'm a Carrie. Right. Then Carrie might do something that maybe.
Speaker 2: They well, the hero has the affair.
Speaker 1: Exactly and this but this had to happen, right, because
Speaker 1: why would you keep watching if the hero was perfect?
Speaker 1: You would not You would not still be exactly, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be compelling, it wouldn't be interesting. Absolutely, I agree
Speaker 1: with one.
Speaker 2: But the trick is they would hate what she did
Speaker 2: but still love her because of Sarah Jessica's amazing essence
Speaker 2: and quality as an actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally totally.
Speaker 2: I mean I was tricky. We got them hooked because
Speaker 2: they were furious, yes, when she would do things, but
Speaker 2: still they felt betrayed because they love her so much. Yes,
Speaker 2: of what Sarah Jessica does with that character.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's still happening. So there's still people
Speaker 1: who are like Carrie. You know, Carrie's the worst.
Speaker 2: Because of what she did to Aid or whatever.
Speaker 1: Different thing it is that week, right, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean different things.
Speaker 2: Don't dare her wear a slip to get coffee?
Speaker 1: Totally stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Nobody would ever wear a crinoline slip. That's right, they wouldn't.
Speaker 2: That's why we did totally.
Speaker 1: So it's just different. They'll hook on different things. But
Speaker 1: there's like a sentiment that happened. I think it started
Speaker 1: I don't really know, but I think it started when
Speaker 1: we weren't working right, like in between the movies and
Speaker 1: just like that where people would rewatch or whatever and
Speaker 1: they'd be like, well, I'm looking at carry differently now,
Speaker 1: Which is the joy also of the characters, and that
Speaker 1: like you look at them at different times in your
Speaker 1: life and you think different things are feeling on who
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Carrie, now are you a Charlotte? Are you now
Speaker 2: are you Samantha exactly?
Speaker 1: And you can be any at any given.
Speaker 2: Time, and Samantha, Yes, in your fifties you could be.
Speaker 2: That was good. That was so good.
Speaker 1: I sometimes I'm like, I should try to see Samantha.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Samantha, you have Samantha and you a little.
Speaker 1: Bit sure anyway, both so and then okay, So for Carrie,
Speaker 1: this kind of sentiment started Sarah Jessica was like when
Speaker 1: we went back for I'm not supposed to say, like,
Speaker 1: my fans don't like it, good luck.
Speaker 2: I've only heard about five likes. Oh thank god, you've yourself.
Speaker 2: That's because you're talking to somebody's so right.
Speaker 1: When I'm by myself, it's very hard.
Speaker 2: Like is a landing pad, he's the writer.
Speaker 1: Listen to him, you guys, it's a landing pad.
Speaker 2: Thank you, so that she can get her next thought.
Speaker 2: It's really hard to talk to yourself. It's very hard
Speaker 2: to psychotic. Thank you, but you're not thank you.
Speaker 1: He needs to hear every every episode go ahead, so okay,
Speaker 1: so in the interim before that's why I need.
Speaker 2: To be here to say okay, go ahead, go go.
Speaker 1: Of not working right before we did, and just like
Speaker 1: that Sir, Jessica was saying to me, you know, what
Speaker 1: is this thing where people don't like Carry? And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, don't worry about that. She's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: how could they not like Carrie? And I'm like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think it's over time and people, you know,
Speaker 1: get attached things.
Speaker 2: Again, another reason to not be on social media. Go ahead,
Speaker 2: it's true.
Speaker 1: And I mean I don't think she was looking. It's
Speaker 1: just kind of grew and she saw it, you know.
Speaker 1: And then of course she takes it personally, because how
Speaker 1: can you not sure you play carry?
Speaker 2: You know, I take it personally. You're right in terms
Speaker 2: of Carrie. Of course, are you crazy?
Speaker 1: You were carry totally in a lot of ways. He is.
Speaker 1: You guys, I mean, you're all of us really, but
Speaker 1: but I think you're really carried. But she, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to kind of like, you know, don't worry,
Speaker 1: you know, don't worry. So then Meghan.
Speaker 2: Stallion, Oh yeah, the great Meghan the Stallion exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I know we're going to have her on the epide.
Speaker 2: How fantastic the idea that that happened, Like she just
Speaker 2: discovered it for the first time, which made it and
Speaker 2: all I kept thinking, was now everybody's going to discover it.
Speaker 1: I know it's the joy.
Speaker 2: So she had a problem.
Speaker 1: Yes, she had a lot to say about Carrie. She
Speaker 1: was like, she wakes up every morning and thinks, how
Speaker 1: can I ruin everyone's day?
Speaker 2: So I'm going to prepare myself. Oh god, I hope
Speaker 2: her very very very strong point of view. It is
Speaker 2: almost unfounded in any reality.
Speaker 1: But Megan, Okay, don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean I love that it's a strong take.
Speaker 1: Strong says that she's Carrie. Oh really, yes, it's interesting,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know if it's also like
Speaker 1: she's very funny, Meggot, like.
Speaker 2: Who knows she's funny?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know she's being funny. We'll find
Speaker 1: out when she's on because I'm going.
Speaker 2: To drill down the reality is the great thing about
Speaker 2: a series if it's working, is that you love and
Speaker 2: hate decisions people make every episode, which is why you
Speaker 2: keep watching.
Speaker 4: Oh, the.
Speaker 2: Second year of and just like that, the Miranda to
Speaker 2: get back to Cynthia, the Miranda fallout about choices is
Speaker 2: really what that was about. Choices. Choices people love to
Speaker 2: discuss when they're on when they're off. Why why are
Speaker 2: they behaving like that? Like your friends, like anyone?
Speaker 1: Definitely so Cynthia, you know, obviously very very connected to Miranda,
Speaker 1: though you know she also you know, she's very like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't care, I don't care. But then if anyone
Speaker 1: says anything negative, she's like, why are they still hung
Speaker 1: up on that?
Speaker 2: Do you remember this? When we were on set.
Speaker 1: The other day, it was not that long ago, and
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, and she was like, no, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't understand. How do they not understand? And we're like,
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's okay. Let them have their their thoughts
Speaker 1: and feelings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be thrilled. It's all about this giant evolution
Speaker 2: that these four characters are taking. And I think what's
Speaker 2: so positive for people about Charlotte is they feel she's aligned.
Speaker 2: She's kind of like true, She's kind of in a
Speaker 2: place of alignment with who they hoped and wished she
Speaker 2: would be. So true and so important.
Speaker 1: I'm happy that I can be that for.
Speaker 2: That so important, especially if you're killing somebody's love, yes,
Speaker 2: and destroying a marriage, that someone is aligned. It keeps
Speaker 2: it grounded. Thank The interesting thing about are you a Charlotte,
Speaker 2: are you a Miranda? Are you carry? There was when
Speaker 2: we were in the height the madness of the success
Speaker 2: of the pop cultureness of the series, there was a
Speaker 2: British psychologist who taught a class I think at Oxford
Speaker 2: I might be highfaluting it, but definitely a university in England,
Speaker 2: And in order to get into her psychology class you
Speaker 2: had to say which of the four Sex and the
Speaker 2: City ladies you were?
Speaker 1: I love it and.
Speaker 2: That somehow defined her understanding of your, understanding of your
Speaker 2: personality so that she could go deeper. Also, they used
Speaker 2: to do those giant polls which one of you It
Speaker 2: would be like Miranda nine percent, and I would be
Speaker 2: like total. Every smart, funny woman I know has a
Speaker 2: Miranda and they just don't want to own it. Definitely,
Speaker 2: And then years later that uh, you know, every ouphant
Speaker 2: on Sex in the City became the champion of Miranda, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: only for us to destroy it and just like that
Speaker 2: the very But the reality is I think that there's
Speaker 2: aspects to all these characters that people find more compelling
Speaker 2: than less. But still you can't have the compelling without
Speaker 2: the opposite.
Speaker 1: Absolutely choice, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Don't marry that man. But he can't get hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a really bad thing, where like what
Speaker 1: I mean that just goes to show how you know,
Speaker 1: she had that eye on the prize that we talked
Speaker 1: about for three years before we got there, right, she
Speaker 1: was going to get it, which I do think people do.
Speaker 2: I think that the genesis of that wanting something is
Speaker 2: in Bay of married pegs hard, Like she's even going
Speaker 2: to date this guy, not her typical type, I.
Speaker 1: Know, and she doesn't even say she likes him. No,
Speaker 1: she's really It's.
Speaker 2: So great and so flawed. And then you have the
Speaker 2: other great things in that episode is Samantha literally being
Speaker 2: laughing about the fact that they think we're whores, I know,
Speaker 2: Miranda being furious that she's being type cast as a
Speaker 2: loser by married people, Charlotte defending married people, and Carrie
Speaker 2: of course watching it all. But what's interesting is the
Speaker 2: married people are not nice. No, they're not. They're not
Speaker 2: there their self protective, yes, entitled, yes, monstrous. When that
Speaker 2: woman comes into the kitchen when Samantha is just having
Speaker 2: a business.
Speaker 1: Conversation, there's so many times have you yes, are you surprised?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Somebody like why are you talking to I know.
Speaker 1: Like back off, lady, and you're like, I'm just standing here,
Speaker 1: which I'm literally just standing here.
Speaker 2: And then Samantha, for the one of the few times ever,
Speaker 2: is talking about finances. She's a business woman talking about
Speaker 2: about money, about money, and the guy and he's having
Speaker 2: it perfectly. Who knows what his He definitely has an agenda.
Speaker 2: She's just talking about money in a low cut dress,
Speaker 2: and the wife has had it.
Speaker 1: I know, Oh my god. I really felt that he's.
Speaker 2: Kind of he's kind of daring to cast married people
Speaker 2: as cartoon villains.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree, that's compared to the lecherous single ladies as
Speaker 2: the cartoon villain. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This is still really very happening in our society. You know.
Speaker 2: Well, the great thing about it is we got to
Speaker 2: show the pain caused. Yeah, the pain causes, which no
Speaker 2: one was showing the pain caused if you were not married,
Speaker 2: you were a loser or a whore. And this is
Speaker 2: like real people. And what's so great about Charlotte is
Speaker 2: as though people think of Charlotte as naive, right, where
Speaker 2: you are very similar to Charlotte is you walked into Charlotte,
Speaker 2: walked into that room and clocked it one hundred percent accurately.
Speaker 2: She looked around, she saw the people. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is a thing. He wants to marry you. They're
Speaker 2: not going to be nice to us. She knew exactly
Speaker 2: what the social vibe in that room was from her
Speaker 2: own feelings.
Speaker 1: That's so true. That's so true. And I never I
Speaker 1: do have that. I definitely have that, and I never
Speaker 1: think about that with her, and I think that's totally true.
Speaker 2: And early, especially early, she was like she was kind
Speaker 2: of definitively clear, so true about who people are in
Speaker 2: relation to being married or not because she's.
Speaker 1: Like finally tuned to it because it's clearly been put
Speaker 1: in her as this goal and that's her journey, right,
Speaker 1: is to go go on this journey of that's my goal.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give these three best friends who really
Speaker 1: don't share this goal. I'm going to speak at them
Speaker 1: like you're at this.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean all the all the all the
Speaker 2: conflict between whenever we did an episode between Charlotte and
Speaker 2: Samantha was about Samantha pissing on her.
Speaker 1: Dream, which I fully understand.
Speaker 2: You know, it was like, don't make fun of this,
Speaker 2: don't sleep with my doorman, that's not or my brother
Speaker 2: or whoever else. I know.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting to think about the juxtaposition of those Samantha.
Speaker 2: And Charlotte opposite.
Speaker 1: They are fully opposites, but yet friends. Like like, that's
Speaker 1: what I do like about this episode. Like she's drunk
Speaker 1: and I'm taking her home, taking.
Speaker 2: Mother, I know, best friends, great girlfriend, Like they have
Speaker 2: like so little in common at this point, I know,
Speaker 2: but the other two are gone home. I'm Charlotte's like,
Speaker 2: I'll let her sleep at my house.
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, it's nice, I'll.
Speaker 2: Let her sleep in my two walled house exactly. She's
Speaker 2: on the couch somewhere that we don't see. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, just and actually, when I said
Speaker 2: that the pilot the trailer was funny. One of the
Speaker 2: images I remember was Samantha going mink coat opening, which
Speaker 2: would never be allowed now total which she didn't have
Speaker 2: going on in. She had no coat on going in
Speaker 2: no way, So I don't know whose fur coat that was.
Speaker 2: Pat Fields, I guess put a fur on with the
Speaker 2: bra and panties like where it came from. And we
Speaker 2: are so now we were we are so focused on
Speaker 2: like how would this really happen. Pat, we like, shut up,
Speaker 2: just wear it.
Speaker 1: And that was the joy of Pat. She was not
Speaker 1: literal in any way.
Speaker 2: No, when we when we were doing the Paris episodes,
Speaker 2: I was in the office and I got a call
Speaker 2: come down here. So I went down to the make
Speaker 2: the hair trailer, I mean, not to make up an
Speaker 2: hair trailer. I went down to the cost anyway, I
Speaker 2: got a call from Pat get down here, and I
Speaker 2: went down to the wardrobe room. And on the middle
Speaker 2: of remember you used to have that like round circular
Speaker 2: couch thing where like people would sit on department stores
Speaker 2: and put on shoes, there was this conical round thing
Speaker 2: and on it was the meil Foyd dress Carrie wears
Speaker 2: in Paris, that thousand layers of dress. She goes, this
Speaker 2: just came from Paris. It wants to be in the show.
Speaker 2: You have to write it. No, I said to her, No,
Speaker 2: how would that would get that right? Would be like
Speaker 2: how it would be like a whole like three trunks
Speaker 2: just to get that there. And I gave her all
Speaker 2: the logical reasons why it wouldn't be in this. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying it wants to be in the show. And
Speaker 2: I turned and as I walked across the threshold, I
Speaker 2: just got hit with reality and I thought, yeah, it
Speaker 2: wants to be in the show. And I came back
Speaker 2: and I said okay. And that was a lesson I learned,
Speaker 2: is like, sometimes wardrobe is better than logic. And so
Speaker 2: you know, they're still talking about milfoy. It was one hundred,
Speaker 2: but reality would have pushed that right out of the window.
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe it's followed up another thing.
Speaker 1: I know, I went through my own Maybe that fur.
Speaker 2: Code came from Charlotte. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, absolutely, who knows. And I went
Speaker 1: through my own, you know, journey with Pat about this,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying where I you know, in
Speaker 1: the beginning, I was like, I don't know what on
Speaker 1: earth you're trying to put me in woman, And she
Speaker 1: was like, ah, let me. I was like no, no, no, you.
Speaker 2: Don't even need to finish that sentence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's such a journey but also just such
Speaker 1: a you know, she's an artist, and I think sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to just give over. Do you have a
Speaker 1: favorite a favorite outfit? The first thing that comes in
Speaker 1: my mind is the black Swan that I wore to
Speaker 1: Carrie's wedding, right, Zach.
Speaker 2: That was good and then your little feet and I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Run in that thing.
Speaker 2: That was the best because it was but I mean
Speaker 2: that's magic.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's magic because like that was not like my
Speaker 1: thing was. Like Jesus God, this thing is so much work,
Speaker 1: because you do you remember how long Pat obsessed over
Speaker 1: what we were going to wear. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was a big deal because I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember that Sarah did not want to wear beige at
Speaker 1: Charlotte's wedding.
Speaker 2: Oh the Charlotte's wedding scene when you're all in, when
Speaker 2: you're all in Vera Wang and you're wearing those beige bridesmaid.
Speaker 1: Stresses, there's like still mad about it.
Speaker 2: One of the longest days of my life.
Speaker 1: I have pictures sleeping on the bile a thousand degrees
Speaker 1: because it was all windows and were.
Speaker 2: I was levitating.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was levitating the entire time, as though I
Speaker 1: was a person who wanted to get married and was
Speaker 1: actually getting married. I mean nothing negative. It was a dream.
Speaker 2: And then sj goes and cut up the Vera weing dress.
Speaker 1: She literally shed.
Speaker 2: It up and started putting tart and pieces on it
Speaker 2: because no, she was out of her because Trey was
Speaker 2: wearing a kilt. I know. Way she came to.
Speaker 1: Me and she was like, I don't understand, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: but it's Charlotte's wedding. Of course you'd be wearing beige matching.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand what you don't understand? She's anyway,
Speaker 1: cut to her wedding many years later, Carrie's wedding. You know,
Speaker 1: we were obviously not going to be wearing matching bridesmaid's dresses.
Speaker 1: But then Pat had like so many ideas and so
Speaker 1: many I mean, I can't even remember all the designers
Speaker 1: we went through. And I remember one night I was
Speaker 1: sitting on my couch, you know, exhausted at home. The
Speaker 1: phone rings, it might have been midnight, and She's like
Speaker 1: black and I'm like, huh, she's going to wear black?
Speaker 1: Are you okay with that? I'm like, yeah, Pad, you know,
Speaker 1: if everyone else is okay, I'm okay. And little did
Speaker 1: I know it was this like, you know, incredible sure creation.
Speaker 2: It would put Charlotte in black.
Speaker 1: For the wedding. I mean, Carrien was fantastic, That's who
Speaker 1: would It was fantastic it was fantastic. But do you
Speaker 1: remember those stairs? I mean, we're off on the movie now,
Speaker 1: but like those stairs. I did literally think we might
Speaker 1: die on those stairs. Sure, but then do you remember
Speaker 1: how the crew guys laid on them in case we fell?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? I don't remember our grips? Okay,
Speaker 1: So we had to run up and down those marble
Speaker 1: stairs at the public library in the dresses, in the
Speaker 1: shoes so many times, Michael Patrick King because he was directing. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, Yes, there is no limit.
Speaker 2: Next time you see the movie, you just enjoy all
Speaker 2: the different shots. Exactly. There's many's, there's clothes from all
Speaker 2: over there and everywhere, and everyone got in the movie.
Speaker 1: I have to say, you're right, it's not It was beautiful,
Speaker 1: but it was very, very hard. So I can't I
Speaker 1: remember if it was running. No, we don't run up,
Speaker 1: we run down.
Speaker 2: You could walk up and run down.
Speaker 1: Yes, we walk up, which was doable, not easy, but doable.
Speaker 2: Going down.
Speaker 1: We were scared, Okay, we were scared and we had
Speaker 1: to do it in sections right, So like whatever the
Speaker 1: camera shot was, and we were you know, like quaking
Speaker 1: a bit, you know, in our heels like, who's going
Speaker 1: to fall? Who's going to catch the person who falls?
Speaker 1: Because we're all in the shoes and the tight dresses,
Speaker 1: so our grips laid down on the marble stairs so
Speaker 1: that if one of us fell, they could break our fall,
Speaker 1: which I mean literally, when you think about what the
Speaker 1: crew has gone through for us over the years, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's incredible.
Speaker 2: That's why when anyone shows up on our show or
Speaker 2: movies and says these shoes are hard to walk, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry what I'm sorry?
Speaker 1: You will not be getting sympathy from Michael Patrick.
Speaker 2: They wear heels when it's ten degrees out and we're
Speaker 2: pretending it's spring. So one line, I will say one
Speaker 2: other thing about the movie because I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'll ever be here again. You will be no anyway
Speaker 2: the movie. This is totally for the fans the movie.
Speaker 2: When Charlotte Poughkeepsie's in her pants.
Speaker 1: From all the Lord, do you have to bring it up?
Speaker 2: Kristen was like, uh, I said, Kristin, You've got to
Speaker 2: do this. It's hilarious and I'm dying. We were just dying,
Speaker 2: and the reality was in order to get Sarah, Jessica,
Speaker 2: Cynthia and Kim laughing and Kristin to really understand the
Speaker 2: depth of what I wanted. I stood behind the camera.
Speaker 2: This is going to be tough for sound, and when
Speaker 2: it was happening, all I did was this, poo poo poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, poo, poo,
Speaker 2: poo po po po poo poo, poo, poo poo, poo, poo,
Speaker 2: poo poo poo. So when you see Kristin when I
Speaker 2: pushed the camera in and she goes like this, she
Speaker 2: rolls her eyes and it's like she's rolling her eyes
Speaker 2: that I'm still doing it. Poo poo, poo, poo, poo,
Speaker 2: poo poop.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about how I'm going to kill him when
Speaker 1: we do.
Speaker 2: Not break until we're done. And then when we were
Speaker 2: in post, the sound guy was saying to me, you
Speaker 2: almost ruined that take, I said, or did I make
Speaker 2: that exactly?
Speaker 1: I don't think you would have gotten it if you
Speaker 1: hadn't done what you've done is true. One time later,
Speaker 1: I don't know where we were. We were somewhere doing
Speaker 1: press and I was irritated, and you were like, what's wrong,
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm still having to
Speaker 1: talk about that, you know, Mexico, and you're like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean. I'm like, you know the thing made
Speaker 1: me do and you were like these years, all these
Speaker 1: years later. I'm like, yes, Michael, this is our lives.
Speaker 1: Now you have to discuss. Like I'll be on vacation somewhere, some.
Speaker 2: Woman at the pool will be like, did you drink
Speaker 2: the water? Like, uh, well, right before we film that,
Speaker 2: I'll give you another Christen. Here's a here's a very
Speaker 2: good Christen in me men actor director Dynamic. We were
Speaker 2: about to do the naked shower scene, Oh Jesus, and
Speaker 2: we had put decals. We measured your height, We put
Speaker 2: decals across the logo of the hotel so that they
Speaker 2: would block your nipple. And everything else was great because
Speaker 2: everybody was ready to do that movie. Everybody looked great.
Speaker 2: And we're doing it and we're getting ready to do
Speaker 2: it and you come up to me and you and
Speaker 2: I said, so you're ready. It's just you keep coming
Speaker 2: at me with those big eyes. And I was like, guilty, guilty, guilty,
Speaker 2: my big eyes. I wanted something I didn't you. It
Speaker 2: was your internal.
Speaker 1: You that you were like, it would be great if
Speaker 1: we could see your butt.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I had it about that part, but you
Speaker 2: did say I did something. I did see. You're lovely, right,
Speaker 2: But you want you wanted more. I don't think why.
Speaker 1: Would I, because you're you. You always want more.
Speaker 2: You keep coming at me with those big eyes. I
Speaker 2: think about that all the time. It's so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because sometimes you know, you're like, let's go again. I
Speaker 2: thought I'm probably doing the big eyes right now, the
Speaker 2: Charlotte big eyes.
Speaker 1: That's adorable.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I wanted to say my very first, very clear memory
Speaker 1: of you. It's not that different than that. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: at the rifle. We're at the reservoir in Central Park.
Speaker 1: It's since Sarah and I and we're we're going to
Speaker 1: gossip to get our heart rates up, which the du
Speaker 1: Moir still uses the gossip people. Lady, she's very nice. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know if she calls herself gossip or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyway, you remember that it's.
Speaker 2: So totad, is it? I remember this same social Media'm
Speaker 2: talking about social media.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, there's a very popular.
Speaker 2: I like to go on the record that not being
Speaker 2: on social media is fresh. That's what I'm I'm everybody
Speaker 2: listening on social media, so fresh for me. I'm glad
Speaker 2: you're there.
Speaker 1: Luckily podcasts are on a different thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are because they're intellectual.
Speaker 1: That Michael. So we're there, and I'm sure that you
Speaker 1: had been very much involved before. But I was in
Speaker 1: my weird days at the beginning of being overwhelmed pretty
Speaker 1: much at all times, right, I mean that's how I felt.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot, you know, in the beginning,
Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna, we're doing our thing, right and
Speaker 1: mark for for your steam, for your steam.
Speaker 2: Remember him, Yes, loved him? Yes, me too. I love
Speaker 2: him too.
Speaker 1: And we were a little bit mean to him that
Speaker 1: day and we were mean to him. Backstory, we probably
Speaker 1: should have him on in the future, but we were
Speaker 1: in the trailer. We were running our lines like we
Speaker 1: do so that we could be on it when we
Speaker 1: got out there for you, right, yeah, And he comes
Speaker 1: in and we were like, hey, do you want to
Speaker 1: run lines with us? And the guys never knew how
Speaker 1: to be right. They were like, the guests are girls,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like the date, right, So
Speaker 1: he comes in and we say like hey, you want
Speaker 1: we're on lines with us, and he's like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't really know him, and we're like, oh you better,
Speaker 1: you better, you better get on that because we're going
Speaker 1: to go out there and they're going to really expect
Speaker 1: us like snappy snappy. And he's like, oh really, uh
Speaker 1: you know, like you mean like learn the literal lines
Speaker 1: and we're like yes, and then we kind of look
Speaker 1: at each other like, oh no, you know, because you
Speaker 1: know there's people in TV.
Speaker 2: Sure they think it's a suggestion.
Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly fine in drama, exactly, it's not where we live,
Speaker 1: you know, at all. And that became very true when
Speaker 1: you when you came, because you know, in the in
Speaker 1: the pilot there was the one ad lib scene that
Speaker 1: ever took place where they told us to fill in
Speaker 1: our things we felt most insecure about when we're talking
Speaker 1: about the models. Sorry, that's the second episode, not the pilot.
Speaker 1: They so like, I talk about my thighs, Sarah touches
Speaker 1: her nose. Wow, yeah, because Darren didn't want to write yeah, sure, yes,
Speaker 1: which was very kind, but then things went sideways. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't ask us to add live you don't want
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, we just go anyway.
Speaker 2: So we're there, Mark's there, He's like.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I'll try to learn my line, and we're
Speaker 1: like we look at each other like, oh god.
Speaker 2: You know. So then we were a little bit a
Speaker 2: little bit mean.
Speaker 1: Apparently like the vibe, and then he seemed very shut
Speaker 1: down three of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, on this show that no one even knows
Speaker 2: about attitude. This isn't exactly this is on the Wrestling
Speaker 2: channel exactly right. I tried to explain that to that,
Speaker 2: like the noting the boxing. Right.
Speaker 1: So then we go out there and we're doing our thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and we're stretching, we're trying to whatever, and
Speaker 1: I had a line and I can't remember the line exactly.
Speaker 1: I haven't rewatched this one yet, but it's like a
Speaker 1: line with the common and then a second, you know,
Speaker 1: one section the comment second and there was an if
Speaker 1: and there was a butt and I flipped them. You know.
Speaker 1: I do this sometimes with Charlotte syntax. It's still happens, right,
Speaker 1: It's sometimes a struggle and you come up to me
Speaker 1: and you're very it with my big eyes and your
Speaker 1: big eyes, and you're like, no, and I'm like no,
Speaker 1: and you're like, do not look those words. It's not
Speaker 1: funny that way. And I was like, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: what my god. No, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this one's scary. This one's so scary. He's very precise.
Speaker 1: So I look at the girls and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, do it, do it? So I'm like okay.
Speaker 1: Then of course now that I'm like, you know, just
Speaker 1: like once they points on the out, then you can't
Speaker 1: do it, do you know what I mean, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I've got to please this new guy.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately in this scenario, I'm vague, but go ahead, go
Speaker 2: back to how this isn't going to be bad for me.
Speaker 1: No, it's not bad for you at all, because that
Speaker 1: was just the first memory and now here we are
Speaker 1: twenty million, hundred years later.
Speaker 2: And you were right. I was right. But I also
Speaker 2: want to put into the world that maybe your performance
Speaker 2: of me through your magnified shame spiral of the season one,
Speaker 2: and maybe I was direct.
Speaker 1: You were very direct into I think I screamed, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're just intense, intense. You're just intense when you care
Speaker 1: about intense, and listen, if you didn't care, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 2: You know, here's my growth. Tell me I go on
Speaker 2: it just like that. When there's a guest director, they're like,
Speaker 2: she didn't say it right. I'm like, but it's not exactly.
Speaker 2: But it's not exactly a big joke, right, it's like
Speaker 2: a sentence, right, and look at what they're doing and
Speaker 2: feel what they're feeling, and then don't maybe go in
Speaker 2: again and ask them to do it different. I want, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: because at this point, who is who's the horse and
Speaker 2: who's the cart? At this point, it's like you guys
Speaker 2: are leading. I'm leading with the riding. You're following, and
Speaker 2: I'm following you. I think we're one.
Speaker 1: I think we're really what we're saying, think we're one.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, the first episode I directed, I gave
Speaker 2: the that that whole horse storyline to you because I
Speaker 2: knew you loved animals so much, which I thought, this
Speaker 2: will be really wonderful storyline. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was magical to think about, magical to think about.
Speaker 2: I think that people are going to be you know,
Speaker 2: we talked about like all the decisions that they we
Speaker 2: made on in just like that. For Miranda to be
Speaker 2: like so outside what they want. Yes, I think they'll
Speaker 2: be very pleased with Miranda the third season of injest
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: I love Miranda.
Speaker 2: That there's the first everything gets broken and gets put
Speaker 2: back together.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was very brave, and.
Speaker 2: I think you're fantastic this season as well.
Speaker 1: I'm so scared to watch.
Speaker 2: Oh you shouldn't. I've seen them all always so scared.
Speaker 2: Oh it's so nice. You're so lovely as an actor
Speaker 2: and so adorable. And I will tell you every I've
Speaker 2: told other people this, but I've never told you this,
Speaker 2: m oh in. And just like that, every day when
Speaker 2: you show up, you look at me and say how
Speaker 2: are you? Very few people do that, how are you?
Speaker 2: And I think that says a lot about who you are.
Speaker 2: How are you? And then I say, I'm great? Now
Speaker 2: hold the fake penis? No, I mean it means a
Speaker 2: lot because down I think that fall down? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: fall down. Kristen does a lot of her own stunts
Speaker 2: this year. I do really good.
Speaker 1: I have a hat now I'm an official Jen.
Speaker 2: The stunt lad. Yeah. Kristin did a lot of physical
Speaker 2: stuff this year that was complicated and she had to
Speaker 2: discover how to do it. It could go too big
Speaker 2: or too little, and you hit it just right, especially
Speaker 2: with the you know yeah yeah episode. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 2: and just like that is this season is going to
Speaker 2: be a kind of it's a summer show. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: coming out in the summer. It feels like the summer.
Speaker 2: It feels like the darkness that we had deliberately by
Speaker 2: design put in season one event just like that has
Speaker 2: given way to the light and the emotions that people
Speaker 2: are sort of needing or looking to right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's the most beautiful season. How exciting. It's the
Speaker 2: most beautiful we've never I think there's more New York
Speaker 2: in it, just like that season three than there's been
Speaker 2: in maybe the entire.
Speaker 1: I felt that way. I felt like we were out
Speaker 1: and it was glorious. It was so glorious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's everywhere. We were everywhere, from the met to
Speaker 2: every garden, botanical gardens. Oh my god. Yeah, so speaking
Speaker 2: of the botanic garden, you're really special in this season. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1: I can't wait see it. I'm always scared and excited
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're thrilling, thank.
Speaker 4: You, baby.
Speaker 1: You know what I do think I want to have
Speaker 1: Sita and Nicolon. Yeah, I want to hear about their
Speaker 1: perspective of like the show that used to be and
Speaker 1: being watching I mean coming.
Speaker 2: Remember Serena who plays Semoa and just like that, had
Speaker 2: that first scene where she was at the bar with
Speaker 2: you and Cynthia and Esjay and they went up to
Speaker 2: her after the first take and she said, I'm not
Speaker 2: even here. She said, I'm in Sex in the City.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to be here. I don't know
Speaker 2: what is happening right now.
Speaker 1: But she covers so beautifully you would never never know.
Speaker 2: But she's like, you know, I think that's one of
Speaker 2: the things we always have to factor in from the
Speaker 2: time we did Sex and the City when it started
Speaker 2: to become kind of a thing, a big thing around
Speaker 2: the world. When people join, you have to let them
Speaker 2: have a moment their altitude is they have like altitude sickness.
Speaker 2: They can't believe they're in the thing that they watched.
Speaker 1: Also, I think it's the thing that they watch, but
Speaker 1: I also feel and this is just from being on
Speaker 1: other sets in the world. You know, we have a vibe,
Speaker 1: we have like a an energy, like a thing, and
Speaker 1: I think some of it is because of what you
Speaker 1: kind of facilitated and mentored. As for the writers, you know,
Speaker 1: because our writers became you know, so.
Speaker 2: Included all of these their stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's their stories, absolutely.
Speaker 2: We just sex in the city. All sex of us
Speaker 2: were single, and all sex of us were lepers, and.
Speaker 1: All of you brought stories that they all thought were
Speaker 1: our stories, but luckily they were not. They were the writers' stories,
Speaker 1: thank god. But you were with us every day, like
Speaker 1: it was such a group, you know, a powerful, powerful group,
Speaker 1: feeling like we were in it together. And yes, we
Speaker 1: were on camera, but you guys were holding us up
Speaker 1: off camera. You know, you were writing beautifully for us,
Speaker 1: you were directing us. You were always there for us
Speaker 1: if we needed you. You know, like if I had
Speaker 1: a director, like that time that one director thought that
Speaker 1: I would think it was sexy that the sweat fell
Speaker 1: on the on the divorce papers, and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: she does not think that sexy. She somehow likes him
Speaker 1: for like besides that, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: he's like, no, that turns you on. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: do's no turn me on. I was like, where's Michael
Speaker 1: Patrick King? And they were like, he's upstairs. I was like,
Speaker 1: Michael Patrick King, I need some help down.
Speaker 2: Here, and there you are, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like we you know, you need backup in what we do.
Speaker 1: It's ours, yeah, and it's ours.
Speaker 2: People are visiting and it's our house, right.
Speaker 1: And but you created that for us, you know, you
Speaker 1: empowered us to take that ownership and to invest ourselves fully,
Speaker 1: you know fully, Like not only did you create it,
Speaker 1: I think you expected it, but you also led by
Speaker 1: doing that yourself. Yeah, like like there was never there's
Speaker 1: not a detail that you are not fully invested in,
Speaker 1: right and and involved in, you know. And sometimes yes,
Speaker 1: costume can be like Michael Patrick doesn't like it.
Speaker 2: You know, but this is this is how we create.
Speaker 1: What we create, everyone's invested and that was you leading
Speaker 1: and sir Jessica, you know, being so invested in everything
Speaker 1: as well, right, Like no banana clips, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: I can't see a banana clip without thinking of it,
Speaker 2: even it's scrunchy, because it was like we wrote the
Speaker 2: episode where she's like they break up of her scrunchy.
Speaker 2: I know it's hysterical, but this was true. Everything is
Speaker 2: everybody that worked on it. And then it's kind of
Speaker 2: curated to be something that hopefully people at home can
Speaker 2: be on the journey with, or be delighted by, or
Speaker 2: be heartbroken by, or be furious at. For a week,
Speaker 2: we know what we're doing. If you're mad at it,
Speaker 2: that's on purpose, that's by design, wait and see what
Speaker 2: happens the next week. And what I love about the
Speaker 2: Sex and the City start was it was week to
Speaker 2: week to week to week to week, and we even
Speaker 2: actually started that within just like that again, it was
Speaker 2: week to week, two week to week, and it builds.
Speaker 2: And now on Netflix you have people somebody just told
Speaker 2: me that their twenty year old daughter is Somebody came
Speaker 2: over and said, what are we doing tonight and she said, no,
Speaker 2: we're watching the season two Finelle. Again she's twenty a door.
Speaker 1: Well, my friend's kids are watching it. It's very bizarre.
Speaker 2: I would say that it doesn't feel.
Speaker 1: Stale, which is amazing.
Speaker 2: It's well made and it's unfortunately for us, no fortunately
Speaker 2: for us, unfortunately for civilization. It's they're still in need
Speaker 2: for women to be held up as individuals in society.
Speaker 2: At whatever age, they still have to fight for the
Speaker 2: individual sense of who they are because society wants them
Speaker 2: to be other things still, from the current politics to
Speaker 2: the emotional vibes still in the world. So it's really
Speaker 2: thrilling that we got to participate in this map. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this emotional map. Yeah. And still for people who watch
Speaker 2: the show, absolutely this is a map that these four
Speaker 2: went down, or these five now or these seven last year.
Speaker 2: Where are you on your map?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? And it's such a joy.
Speaker 2: And it's a joy to have been in your personal
Speaker 2: life for so many years.
Speaker 1: I know we have lived a life, haven't we.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have, we have to.
Speaker 1: You remember when we went horseback riding at Nevis in
Speaker 1: the water, Yeah, like we could go on. I mean
Speaker 1: we remember, I mean Morocco.
Speaker 2: Like I remember when we were filming in the Sahara
Speaker 2: Desert and we were in a hotel in quotes that
Speaker 2: was in the middle of the desert. To drive in
Speaker 2: you had to go through under two paper machet camels.
Speaker 2: It's so true.
Speaker 1: And it was like over.
Speaker 2: Then one night and somebody had said to us, this
Speaker 2: is a vortex of energy and the desert. And I
Speaker 2: said to Kristin, how how how did you sleep us?
Speaker 2: And I she said, I didn't. I don't know what's
Speaker 2: happening I was on the roof. I was just walking
Speaker 2: in circles under the stars and the Sahara sensitive she was,
Speaker 2: she was totally He's been walking all night long on
Speaker 2: the roof, the canopy of stars in the middle of
Speaker 2: the Saharadas, the.
Speaker 1: Milky Way, literally the entire Milky Way. But we had
Speaker 1: a very big day of work the next day, so
Speaker 1: maybe not the best. But I couldn't sleep, you know,
Speaker 1: I can never sleep right. It's like my situation. But
Speaker 1: I mean, everything turned out fine, but for Michael had
Speaker 1: to be tortured by me the next day by torrential tears,
Speaker 1: and I'm very I love that story.
Speaker 2: I love that story. We had we had dunes that
Speaker 2: couldn't be walked on because they would.
Speaker 1: Look walked on ruined by the crew, so.
Speaker 2: We had to we we scoured the dunes with this
Speaker 2: giant chain all these New Zealand crew members so that
Speaker 2: it would look Christine and Kristin was at the top
Speaker 2: of the dune on a camel and I'm at the
Speaker 2: way down at the bottom of the dune watching her
Speaker 2: fall off a camel.
Speaker 1: With a walking right.
Speaker 2: Saharah does he yeah, a thousand degrees, She's falling off
Speaker 2: the camel into stunt guy's arms.
Speaker 1: There yet, and the stunt guys don't speak English.
Speaker 2: No, putting her back on the camel, falling off the camel,
Speaker 2: back on the camel, falling off the camel, back on
Speaker 2: the thing, turn the camera around, fall on the blanket,
Speaker 2: fall on the ground.
Speaker 1: Fall on the mattros.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she finally accomplishes the impossible, and I now
Speaker 2: know the scene's done. So I start up, I leave broom,
Speaker 2: I leave my headphones. I'm surprised you remember this. It's
Speaker 2: significant to me. I start up the dune towards you,
Speaker 2: and you're coming down the dune, big puffs of sand
Speaker 2: on your feet, trudging down the dune on fire, and
Speaker 2: you're like, you never came up. You never told me
Speaker 2: I was doing a good job. You just kept saying stuff.
Speaker 2: And she just burst into tears and I said, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: you were perfect, and I couldn't get She just walked away.
Speaker 2: And the New Zealand crew said, I can't believe you
Speaker 2: let them talk to you like that, and I said,
Speaker 2: they're actors, not bankers. And if you would never put
Speaker 2: the camera on a banker, Wow, these emotions have to
Speaker 2: be there. But I was just like, that is what's
Speaker 2: needed to get that and you just have to realize
Speaker 2: it's But I was really boom. I know I was
Speaker 2: in the Sahara desert in the last fifty years. Was
Speaker 2: from your eyes. It's so true. It's so true.
Speaker 1: I was because I was up there and I just
Speaker 1: thought he wasn't happy, right, Because he was I couldn't
Speaker 1: see him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of this is not the sound of happiness. No,
Speaker 2: got that game goain.
Speaker 1: So I thought he wasn't happy, right. So I've done
Speaker 1: it like eighty million times. And it was scary, okay
Speaker 1: because camel, Yeah, because the camel's really tall. You don't
Speaker 1: realize how tall the camels are. To do was his name.
Speaker 1: Cynthia was not pleased to be on that camel.
Speaker 2: So do it again, do it again?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We did it so many times. Cynthy was cranky
Speaker 1: as I'll get out.
Speaker 2: And a thousand degrees and on a camp it was
Speaker 2: very okay, crazy couldture craziness rather in sanity.
Speaker 4: Hats Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, I got that thing upstairs that she made for me,
Speaker 1: the coat of Many Colors. It was like Joseph's Cod
Speaker 1: of Many Colors.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you remember way also, do you remember when we
Speaker 1: had to walk over the dew ye and you had
Speaker 1: to squat down so he could see our heads.
Speaker 2: He's on the other side.
Speaker 1: Again you have to brush the thing right, so we
Speaker 1: had to bend down like in a chair position.
Speaker 2: But we're in our heels. But we're in our heels
Speaker 2: in the Sahara desert, you know.
Speaker 1: Which was like I could see their heads insane, right,
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 2: Kept screwing lower and they're literally squatty, and then they
Speaker 2: have to stand up and.
Speaker 1: He'd be like glamorous and we'd be like what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then I remember one time Pat so, so we're
Speaker 1: in the crazy outfits, right, and we're hiding behind the
Speaker 1: dune and the squat trying to like glamorously rise up
Speaker 1: and you know, traverse the sand dune in the heels,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're getting ready to go, and they've
Speaker 1: brushed the sand. They've brushed the sand and everything's perfect.
Speaker 1: We're waiting, We're looking at each other like well, what
Speaker 1: do we do? And then all of a sudden pass
Speaker 1: like stop. Mollie's got like two racks of belts and
Speaker 1: the two.
Speaker 2: Of them trudged through the freshly brushed sand.
Speaker 1: Because she doesn't like my belt. We're all like, who
Speaker 1: she met at? Who she met at? What's she coming from?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: She liked my belt. So two racks of belts come
Speaker 1: across the dune and she's like, wow, man, We're just like,
Speaker 1: oh Jesus, you know what I mean. But she fixes
Speaker 1: the belt and then we have to do it and
Speaker 1: we pulled it off. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was it was unlike any other experience
Speaker 2: any actor will ever have.
Speaker 1: And it's not over.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: We love you, Michael Patrick King.
Speaker 2: I am delighted to be here. Are you a Charlotte
Speaker 2: The answer is yes, and you're also everyone else, But
Speaker 2: what about you? I am definitely Carrie and Miranda. When
Speaker 2: I was single, I was Samantha. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 2: that I might be a closer to the new Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you do care.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean it was the one I was
Speaker 2: furthest from of course, which is so interesting is how
Speaker 2: close we got.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well that's that's the journey, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for being here.
Speaker 2: My pleasure. We love you, love you too. Oh kiss
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