WEBVTT - Speaking of the Devil… 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.000 Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Diddy Trial. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:12.639 Welcome everyone to Amy Roebuck and TJ. Holmes presents Aubrey 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.760 O Day covering the Diddy Trial. I'm here with my 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.560 partner TJ. Holmes, and we're looking at miss Aubrey O 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:24.800 day right now and Aubrey another huge day in court 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:30.440 and one of the star witnesses, one of Cassie's closest friends, Brianna, 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.360 is back on the stand right now, still facing some 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:34.600 of that cross examination. 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.680 Yeah, some of that cross examination that she is just 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:42.320 failing miserably with. Unfortunately, it has what a difference a 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:43.000 day makes. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:44.720 You know, you're on a high from Mia. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.040 You start to get into racketeering, sex trafficking, We start 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.839 to really get into the nuts and bolts of this, 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:58.920 these the charges, and unfortunately Bona has just not been 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.720 consistent with you know, what she's told prosecutors versus what 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:08.080 she's said on the stand. Nicole west Morland, who also 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:12.320 crossed my bandmate Don Richard, is crossing her and she's 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:16.880 a beast. She is just she is finding every inconsistency, 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.000 every way to discredit and there are some real ways 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.600 to discredit in this round, some of those things being 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.039 I mean, at this point, what I think that she's 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:30.280 doing is not only you know, she's there to coroborate Cassie, 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.760 but we don't need any more coroboration in regards to 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.759 the violence. In my opinion, what I see her doing 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.479 is her testimony is an impeachment on both of their 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.720 characters a bit at this point, which we don't need 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.960 to go backwards. The defense scored some serious points. They 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.160 also really pushed the fact that she does have a 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:49.240 civil suit. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.680 She's in kahoots or she was in cahoots allegedly with. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:57.520 Cassie after she filed her lawsuit, and you know that's 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.920 witnesses talk victims put to alleged victims talking to victims. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.880 And she's also having to testify under immunity because she 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.200 was the drugs supplier and although she did establish that 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.840 that's not where the majority of her income usually comes from, 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.560 at the time, it was coming a lot from that 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.920 direction because of the amount of drugs that Cassie needed supplied. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:25.079 And then there are just too many inconsistencies about all 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.000 of these horrific stories that she was. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.360 Able to get out. And then when Nicole came in. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.760 She just couldn't remember if it was this, if it 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:32.959 was that, I don't recall. 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:34.919 I don't recall it was brutal. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.760 You don't think it was enough of some of the inconsistencies, 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.960 and there were plenty, she said, I don't remember a lot, 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.160 but one of them was, you told them you were 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.359 smoking a cigarette at the time, and you're telling us 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.840 she was smoking marijuana at the time. I know that 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.200 seems minor, but do you think it was effective enough 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:54.080 even if the inconsistencies were minor, that they collected enough 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:55.760 to put in a juror's mind. You know what, if 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.520 she didn't remember that thing, then maybe she's not remembering 0:02:58.560 --> 0:02:59.440 the other thing correctly. 0:02:59.639 --> 0:02:59.919 Well. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.160 According to what I experienced, how this process works is 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.639 Homeland Security will reach out to you directly. They will 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.840 set up a meeting if you're willing to speak with them. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.600 He did tell me that the men told me within 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.600 the laws that occur now, they can't tape you during 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.160 those meetings. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:19.560 They just are taking notes. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.680 So I assume if you go past that level and 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.720 they are able to put you in the circle of 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.640 the criminal behavior in one way or another, that really 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.680 speaks to the charges that they're going for. Then you're 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.640 speaking to prosecutors, you're being deposed, and you're having depositions, 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.440 and you're giving answers. So to me, once again, we 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.760 have somebody that was inconsistent in the way that she 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.000 told the story and the way she's telling it on 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.880 the stand, and I think throughout that entire process you 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:52.520 should be able to weed out what you should be 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:53.480 able to weed. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.880 Out these inconsistencies. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:59.000 And also I don't know that she made any points 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.160 towards I think there were two good things that were established. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:07.360 One of them is that Cassie's drug addiction, in. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.240 Her involvement in it, was starting around two thousand and 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.120 nine and that it was really bad in about twenty fourteen, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.320 which is establishing it got worse due to the hands 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.240 and her time with Puff, which is something that she 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:21.359 did testify to. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.560 So I guess that's one good thing. Another good thing. 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.159 But again, Nicole. 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:31.840 Is so effective, which Diddy's defense attorney, Nicole Westmoreland is 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:37.359 so effective in regards to just not letting things get 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:38.360 by the jury and. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.480 Not letting things in. But there was a moment where 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:41.240 they were trying. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:46.040 To establish then a producer named rob Holiday was contacted 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:51.040 and or sorry, contacted Brianna and wanted to try to 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.320 fix and settle out the situation. So that's a bit 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:59.320 helpful in regards to the prosecution proving coercion and you know, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:00.360 the cleanup. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:01.159 Messes, etc. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.400 I'm sure something did happen, but because there were so 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.359 many inconsistent statements, I'm not exactly. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.039 Sure what I was going to ask you, Aubrey, based 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.599 on your experience and what you've seen and heard and 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.239 the people who you intimately know who are a part 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.359 of Diddy's inner circle, did it sound believable what she 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.000 testified to, even if the defense was able to poke 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.479 some holes into some inconsistencies. Do you believe that did 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.560 he said to her? I am the devil and I 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.160 could kill you. Do you believe did he dangled her 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.200 over that seventeenth floor balcony even though there were no 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:35.200 other witnesses? 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.640 I would believe that that type of behavior sounds pretty 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.160 consistent with everything that we've heard so far from other 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:42.640 witnesses that are consistent. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.359 So yeah, I, in my. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.920 Opinion, I believe that that sounds consistent in my opinion, 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.880 just being around the man, Like I said, almighty King 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.000 rides on the backs of everybody, and you know the 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.839 stories that he would do, all of these grandiose events 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.960 of how he could go to Dubai and ride. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.280 On the backs of people, and he's a king of 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:10.080 all kings, like you know, these these these these. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.400 People that are saying he was like a god and 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:16.239 he was all encompassing. We all have the same narrative. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.160 And then again, he kept us so isolated that any 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.160 thought outside of that wasn't even being presented to us. 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.960 We didn't even have anything to bounce that idea off of. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.840 All we saw was the King, and everybody was falling 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:28.320 in line. 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.440 You said, King, God, you heard him say those things, 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.559 But what about a devil? Does that sound like something 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:37.480 he would want to be known as or be feared as. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.359 I think when if you're on a lot of drugs 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:48.000 and you're there to potentially threaten someone, or you're offended or. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.720 You know, angry at a situation, and. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.360 You're on a lot of drugs, that allegedly you could 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.520 say any of the number of things he's been accused 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:57.240 of saying. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.640 God, King, what about monster? Is that going too far? 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.240 Because some of the behavior that has been laid out 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.360 the past four weeks is of someone who is other 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:13.200 level beyond just a bad boss. Does monster fit based 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.120 on what you know of this man? Is that just 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:15.520 too far? 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:21.360 Well, geez tj if Devil is maybe potentially accurate monsters 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.480 like a little few steps above devil in my book, 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:29.160 But I can't say personally that I would call him 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:34.440 those names. But after witnessing the things that I did 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.679 and understanding it in much more detail since this trial 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:44.960 has started, those words are very They feel like they 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.200 align with the testimony that's being given. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.320 Wait a second, you worked with him closely intimately for years. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.679 You know him better than most or certainly during that time. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.560 But you're telling us right, you have learned more about 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.360 him in this trial. Now that's giving you a different 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:02.840 impression of the guy you knew. 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.440 Yeah, I mean, like of all the things that I knew, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.600 I mean, I didn't spend much of my time after 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:13.640 leaving being fired considering him as a person. I just 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.320 moved on. But if, But now, because I've been so 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.080 involved in this for the past two weeks, before anyone 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:24.200 even knew what was happening, I've just been able to 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.080 talk to so many people and to understand so many 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.280 levels of things that were occurring that were out of 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.920 my advantage point. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.400 And I think that when you. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.240 Add them all up and they have you know, people 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:43.920 that are coroborating those stories, that it's it's just it's 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.840 out of the realm of anything that I could understand 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.319 a man to be. You know, I just I don't 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.640 know many men that I don't know any men. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.079 You know, I know some really bad, powerful people, But. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.200 To be aired out at this extend to this level, 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.760 it's pretty it's very. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:04.680 Bad behavior to me. 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.560 I'm a hard person to ask the words question too, 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.080 because I think words. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.080 Are man made and they have the meaning that you 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:13.080 allow them to have. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:18.040 So whether you say devil, god, king, or mad man, 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.320 whatever the words are, those are just descriptive words. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.319 To me. They're just man made words. They don't really 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.360 hold any meaning other than what you give them. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:31.680 But that's not technically how the world chooses to see words. So, 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.560 you know, that's more of my bally alternative healing wu 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:38.120 wou side. Something only has the power that you allow 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:42.840 it to have. But in this specific trial in court 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:47.040 and with jurors, words absolutely matter, and those words are 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:47.920 very damning. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.680 I don't think we've discussed this before. 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.760 We had a question, did you ever see meat or 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.679 no Brianna in any way, shape or form while you 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:57.120 were there? 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.800 If I ever met her, it would have been in 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.840 She seems to have been around during a time period 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.520 that I was there. But like I said, the worlds 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:11.640 were so separate in regards to you know, Cassie wasn't 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.120 in the studio making music, like she said, her full 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.040 time job became something else. We were in the studio 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.560 all day making music. We were around the enterprise every day, 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.080 and then when we were taken out, we were with 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.360 her in all of the social settings. They would have 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:27.600 her around with us. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.760 With all of the drug use that Breonna testified to, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.840 and not just her own or Cassie's, but also Ditti's 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.680 as well. Did you I don't think we've asked you this. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.880 When you were around Diddy in a professional environment, recording 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.480 in the studio or at least for the show, making 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.679 the band, did you ever see him seemingly out of 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:53.280 control on drugs? Inebriated not fully there. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:55.400 The first couple of words. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.640 I mean, I was laughing in my head thinking have 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.040 you seen making the band? 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.239 But the last few were the last. 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:06.360 Few statements, inebriated, not having any control. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.840 No high, how about really really high? 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.120 I think even on a normal day, his energy is 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:18.840 at a place that you could potentially gather the thought 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.320 that he might be really high. 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.200 Were you too young to know that or to think 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.920 that at the time? Only upon what you're hearing? And 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.880 then reflection, are you thinking that or at the time 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.760 you know what? Were you seventeen eighteen nine, I mean 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.280 you were young. Would you even know what that look like? 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.680 Would you even have known to be concerned about it 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.480 or recognize it? 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.360 I didn't even know when we would get out of 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.280 the studio at Daddy's house, out of the elevator and 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.920 there would just be like a puff of white smoke, 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.240 and we couldn't figure out what direction to go in. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.200 I didn't even really understand what that was until it 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.360 was explained to me, and until I started feeling a 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.360 little loopy. Like I said, we used to run to 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:55.880 the staircase. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:56.560 To get air. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.120 Rihanna test point. Of course, the incident we'd heard so 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:03.720 much about, but this was the first time we got 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.680 a first person account of it. Brianna said, he dangles 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.640 her off a seventeenth floor balcony, he said. She claims 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.040 he was yelling, you know what the fuck you did? 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.959 And she says she has no idea what she did. 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.320 How did that story, or at least that part of it. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.320 I want to ask you about that in particular, like 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.920 this man is banging on the door, he comes in, 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.240 Matt hangs me off a balcony, and I don't even 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:28.720 know what he's upset about. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.160 Yeah, I mean that did stand out to me. I 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.439 was wondering. I could make tons of different assumptions. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:40.920 Somehow it's likely protecting Cassie's secret or something protecting her 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.040 from him in some type of way that he found out. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.400 But that's just allegedly. I would have no idea. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.280 But also I don't know what the situation was because 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.440 first she says it was a party, then she was 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.400 sleeping in her bed. I mean, what was it, girl? 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.600 I need a picture. I was seeing a party at first, 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.520 and then apparently it's a sleep in bed. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.880 I don't know which story is true. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.880 And unfortunately, in a juror's mind, when they can't even 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.000 place where the events started and they can't put a 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:15.520 picture of how it all began, and that's not even clear. 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.920 I don't know as a juror how how clear everything 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:24.120 else could be for me if we couldn't even start 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.400 off the setting of the situation, and a big and 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.960 a house party and sleeping in bed are two very 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.640 different things. And I think if you remember being hung 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.920 off the balcony, you probably remember if you were in 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.240 bed sleeping, or if it was a house party. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.319 It might determine how much drugs you had been taking. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.480 I mean, I was thinking that also would speak in 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.439 a weird way. Maybe not in the way in a 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.000 counterintuitive way, but as a juror, I'd be thinking, well, 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.840 if she was taking the copious amount of drugs that 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.920 she said she was, it would make sense that maybe 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.600 it is a little fuzzy, but you wouldn't forget being dangled. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:03.000 No, you wouldn't forget being dangled. I think that there's 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.280 a possibility of that. Listen, we still have more cross left, 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.080 and we have a redirect. The redirect might fable to 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:14.120 establish things a bit more clearer. Sometimes just being you know, 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.280 it's a high pressure situation, being on a stand and 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.080 these are incredible lawyers that are cross examining her, So 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.840 maybe just the pressure of that situation had her faltering. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.320 I don't know, but to me, when I look. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.400 At any of these people, like like, sorry to roll 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.200 back to what you asked me in the beginning, TJ. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.600 I took what I said to Homeland Security so seriously. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.320 If there were things that I saw, like I witnessed 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.600 a whole lot of things, But unless I understood the 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.120 beginning and end of how it happened, or who was 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.400 doing it, or or what this person said it was 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.800 after the fact, I'm not going to offer up that 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.200 type of information because that information is just not valuable 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.720 because it could be shred apart, too inconsistent. There were 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.280 things that I told them, Hey, I saw this. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:05.080 I saw that. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.120 But if I was to get crossed, and cross was 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.240 to ask me, are you sure it wasn't a facelift 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.880 or a nose job, I'd have to say that could 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.600 be a possibility. And I don't think maybe just people 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.840 don't understand to be that clear. And because I grew 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.040 up around lawyers, I knew to be but I just 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:29.040 I didn't offer anything that I couldn't factually prove that 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.680 I didn't have. I like always at least two people 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.040 that can cooberate a story. I make sure even in life, 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.800 when I go through something very hectic or something that 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.800 I think is unethical in any workplace, I will document 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.520 it immediately to a friend through phone call, through text, 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.400 and even if I can record, if it's in a 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.760 one party consent record state, I will start recording immediately, 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:52.880 just to make. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.160 Sure that I've got the receipts. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.560 To prove what I'm talking about, because when we get 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.160 to levels like these, inconsistencies can lose a case and 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:07.360 it can send somebody free that potentially could be very dangerous. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.520 Again, as we sit here, she's not done yet. There 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.840 is cross examination and a redirect butt at this point. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.600 Maybe we know the answer given some of the responses 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.520 you've given us already, but I'll ask, yeah, has she 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.440 been a win for the defense, a win for the prosecution, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.960 or this one's right now about playing even. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.280 So far as of now, defense serious win. 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:40.960 They made some serious points on her. Prosecution probably regrets 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.360 putting her on the stand. I just don't think it 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:44.280 was necessary. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:45.720 I think they're. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:50.400 Overshooting with a few people, with certain people. I think 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.120 they're just overshooting it a bit, and that's a very 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.600 risky game to play against lawyers that are very good. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.320 And another thing that I'm concerned about it after she's 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.000 finished with redirect today, I believe we're going to have 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.959 I believe that we're going to have the final Jane 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.960 speaking and I and from what I hear, it will 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.160 take maybe five to six days and then they're done 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:21.240 with presenting their case, which means sadly, I don't think 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.760 we're seeing a KK and I don't think we're seeing 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:28.159 a bodyguard. And of all the things that I have 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:33.280 been able to understand throughout my time being like you know, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:38.520 I said, I'm a self acclaimed attorney, investigator, journalist. For 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.480 the past two years, I have spent a lot of 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.400 time trying to put pieces together, partly for the project 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.000 that I was working on, and also partly just for 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:51.919 my own understanding of something as serious as a man's 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.760 life that will be will be taken from him. And 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.560 because you know, as we've seen throughout this trial, I 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.400 have no people to be inconsistent, I had to wonder, 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.199 what is everybody that takes the stand going to be 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:13.320 giving and is this something that is corroborated and proved 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.240 by very consistent people. 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:16.960 Are we going to venture off. 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:21.480 Into a lot of things that maybe are closer to 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.520 the line of piling up on now the things that 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:30.959 have been proven, and my eyes are so strong that 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.680 I think it's still there. But a witness that's inconsistent 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:41.119 and very inconsistent and also getting immunity because of supplying 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.960 a lot of drugs that they were both taking, I 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.760 don't know how much that testimony is going to sit 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.119 with me well as a juror. You don't recall a 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.000 lot of things when you're on drugs. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:54.840 If you can't recall a lot of. 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.760 Things, and you're saying you can't, and we know that 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.840 you're where the drug supplier and that you did a 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.280 lot of drugs, to me, I need it something more credible. 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.520 And by the way, me personally, I know a lot 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.480 of people that are more credible that should be on 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:08.160 that stand. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:09.680 So I'm just. 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.120 I was like, it was hard to sleep last night. 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.359 I'm very concerned about the case that I'm seeing. 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.240 And I still believe that you. 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:24.240 Know that this is the prosecution in ausas have such 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.400 a high threshold, but they also have such a high 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.919 conviction rate that they wouldn't just be playing silly games 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:31.480 right now. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:32.240 But some of. 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:36.440 These some of these people that are being so inconsistent 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.880 on the stand are making them take some very big losses. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.199 Aubrey, who do you think should have been called to 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.440 testify bodyguards? 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.640 If they can give her immunity for pushing some drugs, 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.840 they could have given the bodyguard's immunity for some of 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.160 the more dangerous behave. Some of them put allegedly more 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.879 criminal things that I've. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.600 Been told of alleged lead. I believe that. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:09.120 If there is proof that KK was ever involved in 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.920 any of the stuff the civil suits are suggesting, any 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.680 of the stuff that's even been suggested on the stand, 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.600 that whether she wants to or not, she should have 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.520 been subpoena and she should have been taking that stand. 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.000 And talking about what. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.639 Has been suggested in regards to her and all of 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.879 this enterprise in her role in it. However, what it 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.159 makes me feel now is I think she's probably going 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.480 to take the stand for Puff, and maybe the bodyguards 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.920 are too, and maybe some I know somebody that's taking 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:44.440 the stand for Puff. 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.520 And I don't know how many. 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.199 I don't know who's that. 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.359 I don't want to say, just because I don't know 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.080 if they're what name they're choosing to go under. And 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.840 I take victim's choice in whether they want to test 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:01.760 a buys themselves are under a pseudo name. 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.840 Very seriously, what would be the role that that person 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:06.600 played in the ditty inner circle? 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.160 Real inner, real inner. 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.359 Yeah, real inner, real freak coffee. 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:14.400