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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Diddy Trial.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to Amy Roebuck and TJ. Holmes presents Aubrey

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Speaker 2: O Day covering the Diddy Trial. I'm here with my

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Speaker 2: partner TJ. Holmes, and we're looking at miss Aubrey O

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Speaker 2: day right now and Aubrey another huge day in court

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Speaker 2: and one of the star witnesses, one of Cassie's closest friends, Brianna,

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Speaker 2: is back on the stand right now, still facing some

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Speaker 2: of that cross examination.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some of that cross examination that she is just

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Speaker 3: failing miserably with. Unfortunately, it has what a difference a

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Speaker 3: day makes.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're on a high from Mia.

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Speaker 3: You start to get into racketeering, sex trafficking, We start

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Speaker 3: to really get into the nuts and bolts of this,

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Speaker 3: these the charges, and unfortunately Bona has just not been

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Speaker 3: consistent with you know, what she's told prosecutors versus what

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Speaker 3: she's said on the stand. Nicole west Morland, who also

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Speaker 3: crossed my bandmate Don Richard, is crossing her and she's

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Speaker 3: a beast. She is just she is finding every inconsistency,

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Speaker 3: every way to discredit and there are some real ways

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Speaker 3: to discredit in this round, some of those things being

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Speaker 3: I mean, at this point, what I think that she's

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Speaker 3: doing is not only you know, she's there to coroborate Cassie,

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Speaker 3: but we don't need any more coroboration in regards to

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Speaker 3: the violence. In my opinion, what I see her doing

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Speaker 3: is her testimony is an impeachment on both of their

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Speaker 3: characters a bit at this point, which we don't need

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Speaker 3: to go backwards. The defense scored some serious points. They

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Speaker 3: also really pushed the fact that she does have a

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Speaker 3: civil suit.

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Speaker 4: She's in kahoots or she was in cahoots allegedly with.

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Speaker 3: Cassie after she filed her lawsuit, and you know that's

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Speaker 3: witnesses talk victims put to alleged victims talking to victims.

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Speaker 3: And she's also having to testify under immunity because she

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Speaker 3: was the drugs supplier and although she did establish that

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Speaker 3: that's not where the majority of her income usually comes from,

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Speaker 3: at the time, it was coming a lot from that

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Speaker 3: And then there are just too many inconsistencies about all

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Speaker 3: of these horrific stories that she was.

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Speaker 4: Able to get out. And then when Nicole came in.

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Speaker 3: She just couldn't remember if it was this, if it

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Speaker 3: was that, I don't recall.

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Speaker 4: I don't recall it was brutal.

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Speaker 1: You don't think it was enough of some of the inconsistencies,

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Speaker 1: and there were plenty, she said, I don't remember a lot,

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Speaker 1: but one of them was, you told them you were

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Speaker 1: smoking a cigarette at the time, and you're telling us

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Speaker 1: she was smoking marijuana at the time. I know that

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Speaker 1: seems minor, but do you think it was effective enough

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Speaker 1: even if the inconsistencies were minor, that they collected enough

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Speaker 1: to put in a juror's mind. You know what, if

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Speaker 1: she didn't remember that thing, then maybe she's not remembering

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Speaker 1: the other thing correctly.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: According to what I experienced, how this process works is

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Speaker 3: Homeland Security will reach out to you directly. They will

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Speaker 3: set up a meeting if you're willing to speak with them.

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Speaker 3: He did tell me that the men told me within

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Speaker 3: the laws that occur now, they can't tape you during

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Speaker 3: those meetings.

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Speaker 4: They just are taking notes.

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Speaker 3: So I assume if you go past that level and

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Speaker 3: they are able to put you in the circle of

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Speaker 3: the criminal behavior in one way or another, that really

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Speaker 3: speaks to the charges that they're going for. Then you're

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Speaker 3: and you're giving answers. So to me, once again, we

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Speaker 3: have somebody that was inconsistent in the way that she

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Speaker 3: the stand, and I think throughout that entire process you

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Speaker 3: should be able to weed out what you should be

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Speaker 4: Out these inconsistencies.

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Speaker 3: And also I don't know that she made any points

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Speaker 3: towards I think there were two good things that were established.

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Speaker 4: One of them is that Cassie's drug addiction, in.

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Speaker 3: Her involvement in it, was starting around two thousand and

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Speaker 3: did testify to.

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Speaker 4: So I guess that's one good thing. Another good thing.

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Speaker 4: But again, Nicole.

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Speaker 3: Is so effective, which Diddy's defense attorney, Nicole Westmoreland is

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Speaker 3: so effective in regards to just not letting things get

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Speaker 4: Not letting things in. But there was a moment where

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Speaker 3: To establish then a producer named rob Holiday was contacted

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Speaker 3: and or sorry, contacted Brianna and wanted to try to

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Speaker 3: fix and settle out the situation. So that's a bit

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Speaker 3: helpful in regards to the prosecution proving coercion and you know,

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Speaker 4: Messes, etc.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure something did happen, but because there were so

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Speaker 3: many inconsistent statements, I'm not exactly.

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Speaker 2: Sure what I was going to ask you, Aubrey, based

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Speaker 2: on your experience and what you've seen and heard and

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Speaker 2: the people who you intimately know who are a part

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Speaker 2: of Diddy's inner circle, did it sound believable what she

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Speaker 2: testified to, even if the defense was able to poke

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Speaker 2: some holes into some inconsistencies. Do you believe that did

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Speaker 2: he said to her? I am the devil and I

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Speaker 2: could kill you. Do you believe did he dangled her

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Speaker 2: over that seventeenth floor balcony even though there were no

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Speaker 2: other witnesses?

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Speaker 3: I would believe that that type of behavior sounds pretty

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Speaker 3: consistent with everything that we've heard so far from other

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Speaker 3: witnesses that are consistent.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I, in my.

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Speaker 3: Opinion, I believe that that sounds consistent in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: just being around the man, Like I said, almighty King

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Speaker 3: rides on the backs of everybody, and you know the

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Speaker 3: stories that he would do, all of these grandiose events

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Speaker 4: On the backs of people, and he's a king of

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Speaker 4: all kings, like you know, these these these these.

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Speaker 3: People that are saying he was like a god and

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Speaker 3: he was all encompassing. We all have the same narrative.

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Speaker 3: And then again, he kept us so isolated that any

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Speaker 3: thought outside of that wasn't even being presented to us.

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Speaker 3: We didn't even have anything to bounce that idea off of.

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Speaker 3: All we saw was the King, and everybody was falling

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Speaker 2: You said, King, God, you heard him say those things,

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Speaker 2: But what about a devil? Does that sound like something

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Speaker 2: he would want to be known as or be feared as.

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Speaker 3: I think when if you're on a lot of drugs

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Speaker 3: and you're there to potentially threaten someone, or you're offended or.

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Speaker 4: You know, angry at a situation, and.

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Speaker 3: You're on a lot of drugs, that allegedly you could

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Speaker 3: say any of the number of things he's been accused

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Speaker 1: God, King, what about monster? Is that going too far?

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Speaker 1: Because some of the behavior that has been laid out

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Speaker 1: the past four weeks is of someone who is other

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Speaker 1: level beyond just a bad boss. Does monster fit based

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Speaker 1: on what you know of this man? Is that just

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Speaker 1: too far?

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Speaker 3: Well, geez tj if Devil is maybe potentially accurate monsters

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Speaker 3: like a little few steps above devil in my book,

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Speaker 3: But I can't say personally that I would call him

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Speaker 3: those names. But after witnessing the things that I did

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Speaker 3: and understanding it in much more detail since this trial

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Speaker 3: has started, those words are very They feel like they

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Speaker 3: align with the testimony that's being given.

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Speaker 1: Wait a second, you worked with him closely intimately for years.

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Speaker 1: You know him better than most or certainly during that time.

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Speaker 1: But you're telling us right, you have learned more about

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Speaker 1: him in this trial. Now that's giving you a different

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Speaker 1: impression of the guy you knew.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like of all the things that I knew,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't spend much of my time after

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Speaker 3: moved on. But if, But now, because I've been so

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Speaker 3: involved in this for the past two weeks, before anyone

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Speaker 3: even knew what was happening, I've just been able to

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Speaker 3: levels of things that were occurring that were out of

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Speaker 4: And I think that when you.

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Speaker 3: Add them all up and they have you know, people

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Speaker 3: a man to be. You know, I just I don't

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Speaker 4: You know, I know some really bad, powerful people, But.

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Speaker 3: To be aired out at this extend to this level,

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Speaker 3: it's pretty it's very.

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Speaker 4: Bad behavior to me.

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Speaker 3: I'm a hard person to ask the words question too,

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Speaker 3: because I think words.

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Speaker 4: Are man made and they have the meaning that you

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Speaker 3: So whether you say devil, god, king, or mad man,

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Speaker 3: whatever the words are, those are just descriptive words.

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Speaker 4: To me. They're just man made words. They don't really

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Speaker 4: hold any meaning other than what you give them.

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Speaker 3: But that's not technically how the world chooses to see words. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, that's more of my bally alternative healing wu

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Speaker 3: it to have. But in this specific trial in court

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Speaker 5: I don't think we've discussed this before.

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Speaker 2: We had a question, did you ever see meat or

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Speaker 2: no Brianna in any way, shape or form while you

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Speaker 3: If I ever met her, it would have been in

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Speaker 3: She seems to have been around during a time period

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Speaker 3: that I was there. But like I said, the worlds

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Speaker 3: were so separate in regards to you know, Cassie wasn't

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Speaker 3: in the studio making music, like she said, her full

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Speaker 3: time job became something else. We were in the studio

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Speaker 3: all day making music. We were around the enterprise every day,

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Speaker 3: and then when we were taken out, we were with

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Speaker 2: With all of the drug use that Breonna testified to,

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Speaker 2: and not just her own or Cassie's, but also Ditti's

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Speaker 2: as well. Did you I don't think we've asked you this.

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Speaker 2: When you were around Diddy in a professional environment, recording

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Speaker 2: in the studio or at least for the show, making

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Speaker 2: the band, did you ever see him seemingly out of

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Speaker 2: control on drugs? Inebriated not fully there.

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Speaker 4: The first couple of words.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was laughing in my head thinking have

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Speaker 3: you seen making the band?

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Speaker 4: But the last few were the last.

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Speaker 3: Few statements, inebriated, not having any control.

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Speaker 2: No high, how about really really high?

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Speaker 3: I think even on a normal day, his energy is

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Speaker 3: that he might be really high.

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Speaker 2: Were you too young to know that or to think

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Speaker 2: then reflection, are you thinking that or at the time

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Speaker 2: you know what? Were you seventeen eighteen nine, I mean

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Speaker 2: you were young. Would you even know what that look like?

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Speaker 2: Would you even have known to be concerned about it

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Speaker 3: But if I was to get crossed, and cross was

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Speaker 4: Sure that I've got the receipts.

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Speaker 3: To prove what I'm talking about, because when we get

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Speaker 1: Again, as we sit here, she's not done yet. There

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Speaker 4: So far as of now, defense serious win.

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Speaker 3: They made some serious points on her. Prosecution probably regrets

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Speaker 4: I think they're.

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Speaker 3: And another thing that I'm concerned about it after she's

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Speaker 3: because you know, as we've seen throughout this trial, I

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Speaker 4: Are we going to venture off.

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Speaker 3: Into a lot of things that maybe are closer to

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Speaker 4: If you can't recall a lot of.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just.

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Speaker 3: I was like, it was hard to sleep last night.

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Speaker 3: I'm very concerned about the case that I'm seeing.

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Speaker 4: And I still believe that you.

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Speaker 3: Know that this is the prosecution in ausas have such

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Speaker 4: But some of.

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Speaker 3: These some of these people that are being so inconsistent

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Speaker 2: Aubrey, who do you think should have been called to

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Speaker 3: If they can give her immunity for pushing some drugs,

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Speaker 4: Been told of alleged lead. I believe that.

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Speaker 4: And talking about what.

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Speaker 3: Has been suggested in regards to her and all of

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Speaker 4: And I don't know how many.

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Speaker 5: I don't know who's that.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say, just because I don't know

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Speaker 3: I take victim's choice in whether they want to test

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Speaker 2: Very seriously, what would be the role that that person

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Speaker 5: Real inner, real inner.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, real inner, real freak coffee.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 2: And I'm curious what your thoughts are because you're questioning

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Speaker 5: Do you think that there would be no.

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Speaker 4: Think I think they would offer them immunity.

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Speaker 3: I mean I literally, like, I'm sure you can't run this,

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Speaker 3: you if you guys give him immunity. Here's his name

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Speaker 4: Let's move on. So so like, I know it was said,

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Speaker 3: So to me, no, I don't think it's about not

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Speaker 3: they're giving immunity to people that are bringing nothing to

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Speaker 4: That might be a little lighter.

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Speaker 3: There's still and the threshold has been met, but met

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Speaker 2: Well, my question was why do you think the prosecutors

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Speaker 2: I asked, is it because they didn't want to offer

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Speaker 4: I got you the bodyguards.

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Speaker 3: I believe potentially could be problematic in that when everything

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Speaker 3: an easy cross by saying, aren't you just after money?

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Speaker 3: this one, this one. You talked about his sexuality, You

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00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: shamed him, you called him gay, you said he wanted

446
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 3: butt plugs, you talked about dildo's, and you became a

447
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 3: gossip in the streets. Even the streets were getting to

448
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 3: a point where they were like, yeah, moving along on

449
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: him like you. You really shouldn't be out there doing

450
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 3: interview after interview if you really want to participate in

451
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 3: a federal try. I didn't do anything until I knew

452
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: that I was not subpoena. And that's why I could

453
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: come to you and start this journey with you guys,

454
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: because I am a wealth of information.

455
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: However, I needed.

456
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: To protect that just in case I was called to

457
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 3: speak to anyone's character or any possible events that.

458
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: Could have been something I was unaware of.

459
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: Re you said a moment ago you had a hard

460
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: time sleeping last night. Can you tell us, for a

461
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: moment and from a personal standboy standpoint, whether it was

462
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: in your head and in your heart, what was so

463
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: upsetting about what you saw yesterday that you had a

464
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: difficult time processing and settling down.

465
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 4: If you will, well, a.

466
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: Lot of people are going to be very scared to

467
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: ever come forward and tell the truth about very powerful

468
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 3: people that are taking advantage of them, potentially even criminally,

469
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 3: if he's able to get off on all of this,

470
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: And if he gets off on all of this, it's

471
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: likely because there has been too so far people that

472
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 3: have taken the stand, in my opinion, that have been

473
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: far too inconsistent.

474
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Speaker 1: We've talked to you almost every day, and you said

475
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: the prosecution was doing fairly well. This, I think rogues

476
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. This is the first time

477
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Speaker 1: we heard something from you that you're kind of pausing

478
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: and you're concerned, if you will, about the direction things went.

479
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 3: I had a pause at the second person that took

480
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 3: the stand, because Cassy was so strong and so believable

481
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: according to everyone that actually even watched her, let.

482
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Speaker 4: Alone just reading through her transcripts.

483
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: Of being accountable, holding herself, holding herself accountable for both

484
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: sides of it. The days she wanted to do it,

485
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 3: in the days that she didn't, she was honest, She

486
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: didn't shy away from it. She didn't seem to be

487
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: lying about the reasons why she sent the messages.

488
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Speaker 4: She did.

489
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Speaker 3: It came off very even keeled, and for me, I

490
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: respected that because I knew that there were both of

491
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: those days, and I was worried that she would only

492
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: go with one because obviously in a civil suit, when

493
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: you file, you're not putting the good days in there.

494
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 3: So I was worried, is she only going to run

495
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 3: with what I saw in the civil suit, because that's

496
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 3: going to get eaten up alive.

497
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 4: But she held herself accountable on both sides.

498
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: The second witness caused me pause and concern because of

499
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: two reasons. One, we had two people drop out that

500
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: were strong. Then we moved somebody in that was very inconsistent,

501
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: and I had a pause during that moment as well.

502
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Speaker 4: This is not my second pause.

503
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Speaker 3: But Mia was like incredible, great consistent. They just didn't

504
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: really pick apart anything that she said. And there are

505
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: other people, forensic therapists, forensic analysis, there are people that

506
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: have come very strong with you know, kind of giving

507
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: the jury an understanding of why they're seeing behaviors of

508
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: people staying. So a lot of things have been established

509
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: that were very strong. But this specific witness, unfortunately.

510
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: I think she's kind of impeaching.

511
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: Both her and Cassie's characters a bit with her testimony.

512
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Speaker 4: I don't love it.

513
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that she didn't see horrible things. I

514
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: just don't think this was the strongest person to put

515
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: on the stand. Another pause I had was the eight

516
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: pack of white women before this started, Mark Erragos being

517
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: able to say that, we know that optics are everything

518
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: in a case like this. You've got a pregnant woman,

519
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: Diddy grew his hair out gray. There's a lot of

520
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: people that understood how strong that optics need to be

521
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: inside a courtroom, And I just thought, eight pack of

522
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 3: white women, why give them that?

523
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 4: Why give them the ability to even say that? Now.

524
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: I also do believe you should pick the best for

525
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: the job, and that it shouldn't you shouldn't have to

526
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: play those types of games when it comes down to

527
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: a federal trial and.

528
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 4: Criminal charges on this level.

529
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 3: But you also have to be do some smart lawyering

530
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: in these types of situations as well.

531
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Speaker 4: So there have been moments of pause that I've had

532
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 4: with this, and I get worried that victims will.

533
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: First of all, many people will fall by the wayside

534
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: in those civil suits, maybe because they should, maybe because

535
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: they're scared there's going to be a whole lot more

536
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 3: reasons to.

537
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 4: Be scared, because, as we know, there has been obvious

538
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: testimony to witness tampering and to.

539
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: Force and coercion, and following people around, blacklisting people, having

540
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: them live in states of fear, blackmailing people would suggested.

541
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 4: Even on the stand. So all of those things tell

542
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 4: me that.

543
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: And Diddy's a scorpio and if he hasn't learned anything,

544
00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: he's going to be He's gonna come after everybody.

545
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: Leading into now this next witness that we're all anticipating,

546
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: and potentially, as you mentioned, the final victim. I don't

547
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: know if it's the final witness totally, but I definitely

548
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: heard that it might be the final victim. You're hearing

549
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: that she might actually be the final witness.

550
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: That might be the case, might be right, Yeah, I.

551
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: Believe I heard that she was going to be the

552
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: final victim who will be testifying on the stand. But

553
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: the State is going to be calling more but for

554
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: the Fed, sorry, not the State, but Jane Doe, what

555
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: are you anticipating hearing from her? She, from what we've gathered,

556
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: is an ex girlfriend of Sean Ditty Combs. She was

557
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: involved in the freak offs, and she too, says she

558
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: was a victim of his.

559
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 4: Well, I know who this person is now.

560
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: By the way, there has been a lot of changes

561
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: in the ninth inning, because who this person was two

562
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: days ago could have been somebody else. There's been a

563
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: lot of shifting and turning and making choices.

564
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: I think after seeing.

565
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: What happened with Brianna, maybe they needed to shift in

566
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: a certain direction. But this person, I believe, has alleged

567
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: that they were a girlfriend. You know how I feel

568
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: about that term, but a girlfriend. So now we're going

569
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: back to the girlfriend's stuff, and we're going back to

570
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: the freak offs, and we're going back to forest coercion and.

571
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 4: The patterns that we've already.

572
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: Established in the beginning of this trial. And if that's

573
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 3: all we're getting, and maybe i've heard that this person

574
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: could be on the stand for multiple days.

575
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Speaker 2: Yes, we did actually hear from prosecutors telling the judge

576
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: that they were concerned because she has an international flight

577
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: a week from today. So that would imply they're concerned

578
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: about the timing and that they might not be able

579
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Speaker 2: to get it all in. And if she stakes the

580
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: stand today, that would be you know, at least four

581
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: or five days of testifying. That's significant, and that's more

582
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: than Cassie even was on the stand, correct more than Cassie.

583
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: I'm The thing is with this person is I have

584
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: a personal connection that's a conflict, So I have to

585
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: be very careful. I'll have to go off of her

586
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: testimony alone. I don't want to get into my feelings

587
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: about what she does or doesn't do, or what I

588
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: you know, know to be true or not know to

589
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: be true. But I really hope that they made a

590
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: good decision with this person and that she is not

591
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: somebody that they are going to be able to cross

592
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: it with as much effectiveness as they did with Brionna.

593
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: It can for clarity here. You said, you know who

594
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: the person is, but do you also know the person personally?

595
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: Have had interactions with this person? Yeah, can you go

596
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: as far as you can? Obviously we're not asking you

597
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: to identify because she's not going to be identified in court.

598
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: Just anything about her, just demeanor, how she comes off

599
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: to you, what your impressions are of her, just some

600
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: simpler blanket thing, just your impressions of this person upon

601
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: just having whatever interaction you've had with the.

602
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: Interactions are minor, the understandings are major. I would say

603
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: I got to see what she does in court. I'm

604
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: not exactly sure. I know how she came off to me,

605
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: but I'm one person, right like how you come off

606
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: to a man, how you come off to other people

607
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: that you are into the things you're into could be

608
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: completely different.

609
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 5: But it sounds like you're concerned about what she may

610
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 5: do for or maybe even inadvertently against the prosecution.

611
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: I'm concerned about where they could go with the cross

612
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: and I'm concerned about other things outside of this trial

613
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: that could get messy.

614
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: Is it surprising to you that she would be needed

615
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: for that long, that she has that much to say

616
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: and that much to tell.

617
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: Yes, but she doesn't have a civil suit yet. I

618
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: don't even know that I can mention if she's in

619
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: one or not, because that could be potentially putting someone's

620
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: name out there and.

621
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 4: I'm not going to do that.

622
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 2: But is it fair to say we haven't heard details

623
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: of her story yet because we had heard about the

624
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: balcony dangling, because that was in Cassie's lawsuit, even though

625
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: Brianna wasn't named. We'd heard rumblings about what some of

626
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: these women would be testifying too. Do you believe we're

627
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: going to hear things we haven't heard before in Jane

628
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: Doe's testimony or is it going to be more of

629
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: the same, just her personal experience.

630
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: No, I believe we're going to hear more. And she

631
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: also has been introduced to the public. If you're paying

632
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: attention to the trial well and all of the civil

633
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: suits and all of the accusations, you would be familiar

634
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: with her.

635
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: All right, And as we're doing this, testimony is underway

636
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: and Breonna is back on the stand this morning. I

637
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you and one thing that's going back

638
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: and forth and to your point, she's struggling.

639
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 4: Is she still struggling this morning.

640
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like she's struggling pretty badly because they're

641
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: going at her on one of the critical critical points,

642
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: critical point about her lawsuit, which when it came out,

643
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: we knew some details about the dangling over the balcony,

644
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: but another very big part of that was that she

645
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: said Comb's didd He groped her, grabbed her breasts, and

646
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: then she got loose from him, and then there was

647
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: a little back and forth and then he dangled her. Well,

648
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: in court, even when she was prompted to recall that

649
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: detail about her civil lawsuit that she was groped, even

650
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: when prompted, she didn't come up with it again. So

651
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: she's they are really going out right now.

652
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 4: Now.

653
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: It's one thing you can't remember if you were smoking

654
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: weed or smoking a cigarette. It's another thing. The major point,

655
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: a major point of her civil lawsuit is that groping,

656
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: And what do you think hearing that now? Today? She's

657
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: she couldn't come up with that detail, which, by the.

658
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: Way, I don't know if she suggested any other.

659
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: Drugs of that night, But if you've ever smoked the

660
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 3: blunt or smoked a cigarette, it.

661
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: Does not put your memory out. It just doesn't.

662
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: You would be able to recall the events of the night.

663
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 4: It's not a drug that.

664
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: Especially at the frequency in which she sounds like she

665
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: was using drugs in regards to how she's testified to

666
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: using a lot of drugs. Marijuana ain't taken anybody that

667
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: does a lot of drugs out anytime soon. People smoke

668
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: it recreationally. It's legal in some states. You could drive

669
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: while after smoking. It's not making you forget this many details.

670
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: It's not making you not be able to recall this

671
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: many details.

672
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: Claimer, we should say we do not recommend driving after

673
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: you smoke wheed, but go ahead. We got your point.

674
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 4: You can.

675
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: I have heard of, like obviously, when you drink alcohol,

676
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: people talk about blacking out, right, So that's an obvious thing.

677
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: Your memory is absolutely impacted with alcohol. You can't remember

678
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: what you did, where you were, or sometimes how you

679
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: got home. But I've heard of these instances called green outs.

680
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: I've heard my daughters talk about it. I don't know

681
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: if it's a thing, but I'm a green out. What

682
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: is a green out?

683
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 3: If you're taking like the one that's I don't smoke weed,

684
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: but one brings you up sativa and something else.

685
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 5: Indica is in the couch. That's how you know.

686
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: Indica puts you into couch and sativa keeps you up

687
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: and focused.

688
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: Yes, she might have been in the couch, but I've

689
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 3: smoken some in the couch, and if I were in

690
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: the couch and then over the balcony, I'd be able

691
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: to remember it even if I had been in the

692
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: couch before.

693
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: Yes, those are very dramatic events, as she has testified

694
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: to that would be almost impossible to forget on drugs.

695
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: What was it called a cocoa puff?

696
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there was a Yeah, they were talking about

697
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 5: a coke.

698
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 4: Puff, something that you could smoke.

699
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: They can know that is a blunt with cocaine sprinkled

700
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: on it.

701
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

702
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 3: It's like a black and Mile.

703
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 4: So there's some tobacco in there and then you put

704
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 4: marijuana on.

705
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: The top and then you sprinkle cocaine on it. I've

706
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: never done that, but that was a big hit over.

707
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 4: At Bad Boy.

708
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: Oh you, this was a thing. This was popular allegedly.

709
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just putting two and two together. You can

710
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: make fun of me all you want. Obviously, he now

711
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: goes by Diddy, but when you call him Puff and

712
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 2: people who knew them and that era are still referring

713
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: to him as Puff.

714
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 5: That's how he got the name.

715
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: It used to be Puff Daddy. I can't remember how

716
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: we started. He's changed it four or five times, I

717
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: believe legally. Even Well, now he's love, Oh yeah, he's

718
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: love now?

719
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, he's love. I forgot right. We're not

720
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 5: supposed to call him Diddy. We're supposed to call him love well, correct.

721
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like we're supposed to call X or Twitter

722
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: X girl it's not going to happen. There are just

723
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: some of us that will not be able to make

724
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: that transition occur.

725
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: And it's still the Sears Tower in Chicago for me.

726
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: There's some things I'll just never And also it's still.

727
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: The what's our stadium in LA that they changed to

728
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: the crypto place, that's not the crypto place.

729
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: And I'll add on reading a story this morning someone

730
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: fell to their death from Mount McKinley, I was like, where, Oh,

731
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: Denali Like.

732
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 5: It's just really hard.

733
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes things don't necessarily switch off or switch on.

734
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 4: Let us all people have some of our memories.

735
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 3: Good guys, they just take it all away from you

736
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: as you get older.

737
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: All right, Well, any so we're expecting I always I

738
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: want to say, there's so many different names of monikers.

739
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: We are expecting Jane Doe to take the stand this afternoon.

740
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 5: What do you hope you hear from her?

741
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: Well, first thing I hope is that if prosecution starts

742
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: going anywhere near the direction that they went in with Brianna,

743
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 3: that they take her off the stand quickly, because they

744
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: done left Brianna on the stand for so long that

745
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: if I'm a juror, I'm confused. I have reasonable doubt

746
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: now by the way I moved a vacation in order

747
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: to just report on this trial. You'd think if you

748
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: were a key witness and somebody who was so horrific

749
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 3: to you that like, there's a federal trial occurring. It's

750
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 3: just a little crazy to me that you can't move

751
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: the vacation a bit to make sure that the testimony

752
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: is laid out.

753
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 4: And a bad person that shouldn't be her.

754
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: If this person's opinion is they shouldn't be freed, that

755
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 3: they wouldn't make the time to make sure that that

756
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 3: point gets that point gets made.

757
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 4: But who am I? I don't know. Maybe they had

758
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: a birthday party to attend.

759
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: Maybe she's just learned how to create boundaries in her

760
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: life now because she.

761
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 5: Didn't have any before.

762
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: This is a.

763
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: Federal trial and this is a man's life on the line.

764
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: You better show up and move the vacation. To me,

765
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 3: it's already giving three p suit with diamonds on the caller.

766
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: I don't know.

767
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: I want to ask you one last thing for me,

768
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: because this has been jumping out at me almost every day,

769
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: is that someone there's always somebody we discover knew and

770
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: didn't say anything like someone knew or witnessed. And we'd

771
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: go through a long list of folks, and some of

772
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: them have been witnesses to crimes that this man committed,

773
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: in particular Diddy beating Cassie on that video. We learned, Aubrey,

774
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: that another security guard recorded that video on his cell

775
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: phone and he took it home just so he could

776
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: show his wife. Now that is disgusting to hear and

777
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: to think about that. It was just voyeurism, ROAs.

778
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: Can you imagine if TJ came home and was like, Hey,

779
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 3: I want to see this girl get beat up by Diddy.

780
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 4: Let's watch it again. Maybe we'll get turned on.

781
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 5: I would say, who am I dating? And who am

782
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 5: I if? I am cool with watching this and not reporting.

783
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: But it's one thing, Aubrey, when we talk about people

784
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: in his inner circle that saw it and they were

785
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: scared of him, or they feared for their jobs or

786
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: their careers, or their money, or even their their physical harm.

787
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: We're talking now about this is an account. Five people,

788
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: one supervisor at the security another security guard, another security guard,

789
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: another security guard, and then that security guard's wife. Five

790
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: people eight years ago who did not work for Sean

791
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: Diddy Combs saw this woman get the shit beat out

792
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: of her on video. They saw a crime being committed,

793
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: and those five people did nothing. Help me with that.

794
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: You've explained to his plenty ari about people in his

795
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: inner circle. Help us understand that a little better, because

796
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: that is a very difficult one to stomach.

797
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: We just don't care enough about each other in this society.

798
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: We're very individualistic, you know, not to go on a rant.

799
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: But when I was in Japan and Anoma case, he

800
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: asked everyone where they were from, and everyone said there

801
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: are places, and then I said, oh la, and the

802
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: people next to me said San Francisco. And the chef

803
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 3: said to me, every time, we're the biggest.

804
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 4: You know, he's the biggest name. He has all the biggest.

805
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: People in the world that come and they'll say Russia,

806
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: they'll say China, they'll say all they'll name their country first.

807
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 4: Here in America.

808
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: He's like, but Americans always say their location in America.

809
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: We're just a very end of it visualistic place. We

810
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: don't agree with those other states that are across from us.

811
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: Half the time. This overall embodiment of being a proud American.

812
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: It's kind of something that we sell to the rest

813
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: of the world. But I don't know how many people

814
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: actually feel so proud, especially with what's going on right now.

815
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 4: I think it's on a mac that is a macro

816
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 4: scale understanding of a micro scale in regards to this being.

817
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: People see someone shot and they bust out their cameras

818
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: because they want to be the first to maybe sell

819
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: it to TMZ. TMZ reports somebody died before they've even died.

820
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 3: There are all kinds of like really odd, unethical, tacky,

821
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: weirdo behavior occurring constantly, and we just don't have this

822
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 3: desire to really do what's right. If there's a come

823
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: up in it for you, you'll consider that come up first.

824
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: And I don't know how we got here, and I

825
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: have some ideas of how we could fix it, but

826
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: I don't know how we got here because when the

827
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: people running the country are really individualistic, it's a top

828
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: down messaging that goes something like this, protect you and

829
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: your own first, worry.

830
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: About others later. So if any of these people.

831
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: Or or if at all, Yeah, And technology makes it

832
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 3: even easier to do that because it isolates you from

833
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: having to create friendship circles. And AI's making it so

834
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: you can have friends now that you don't even have

835
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: to have friends. Really, you could just ask chat GPT

836
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: loves me more than my own friends do.

837
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: So it's like we're being more and more isolated. I

838
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 4: think it really is going to come down.

839
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: To parents truly like grounding their kids in nature, making

840
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 3: them put their bare feet in the grass and get

841
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: out away from their phones more, because they're just they're

842
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: they're truly becoming such a everything is becoming such a

843
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: viral quick moment, and if you don't have it, and

844
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: you can't do it, you aren't relevant. And everybody has

845
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: moved on after five or six minutes of it being

846
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: all the talk of the town.

847
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: It's insane and what we're seeing in that courtroom is

848
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: just the worst possible outcome of all of that. But Aubrey,

849
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: as always, we so appreciate your insight and just the

850
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: knowledge you have about what was happening and what is

851
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: happening in that courtroom, but what was happening inside that

852
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: inner circle of Diddy. So thank you once again for

853
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: another incredible breakdown of the day's events of yesterday and today.

854
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 2: Of course, Thursday, we'll have much more to talk about

855
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: soon with you, but thank you all for listening to us.

856
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm Amy roebuck On behalf of my partner TJ. Holmes

857
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: and Aubrey O Day. Thank you for listening