1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Weird. Thankful for you on this Thanksgiving Day for being 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: a listener here on the Klay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: This is the best of with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 2: We got three rails of business Lawrence. First ball, we 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: got securitive border. We know how to do that, we've 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: done it before. A second ball, we need to run 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: this deportation operations. The President's been clear we're going to 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: out of the gate. We're going to focus on public 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: safety threats and national security threats. First, exhusitives, those who 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: cross the border legally had great due process, a great 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: taxpayer expanse were ordered removed by an immigration judge and 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: didn't lead. They're also a priority. And third rail, we 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: got to find over three hundred thousand children that were 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: released into this country to so called sponsors that the 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: government can't find. We also got to find them children 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: to try to save them. 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: All Right, that's Tom Holm and the borders are unlike 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: Kamala a real borders are as. He's going to do 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: things to make the border better. Tom is one of 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 3: my favorite picks. I've known Tom and talked to about 21 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: border issues for years, really stretching back to Trump term one, 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. Tom is, you know, very high 23 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: on my list of all stars, like he is. If 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 3: Trump had said to me, Clay Buck, who would you 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 3: put in? I mean I might have put him at 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: the head of DHS, But okay, who would you make 27 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: the borders are? Tom Holman would be the first name 28 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: that comes to mind. So he's the right guy for 29 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: the job. And what he's doing here is laying out 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: this is going to be so important, Clay. They're going 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: to tell everyone that this is monstrous and cruel and 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 3: they're deporting grandmas who have been here for forty years. 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: That's actually not what the Trump operation is going to 34 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: be in the first year and maybe ever it depends 35 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: on how all of this goes. But what they're doing 36 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: right out of the gate is and this is so important. 37 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: They always say what about the dreamers and what about 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: like the hard working people who've been here for twenty years? 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: Then everyone goes, okay, you know what, I want to 40 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: be kind The kindness on the right is always used 41 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: as a political weapon against this right. You're like, of course, 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: you know, I get it, Like maybe we get you 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: get that's a little bit harder for people, and I 44 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: understand that. Now for some of you, it's not hard. 45 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 3: You want everyone illegal to go, and I get that too. 46 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: The law is supposed to matter, right, the law is 47 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 3: the law. But when they're talking about deporting the number 48 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 3: Clay is something like one point four million criminal illegal aliens. 49 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: And that modifier, that adjective there is so important because 50 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: I'm not just talking with people that are not allowed 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: to be in the country. We're talking about people who 52 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: have been in this country who have committed a crime, 53 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: usually a state, sometimes a federal, but usually a state crime, 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: who are now supposed to be deported. Yeah, and they're 55 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: just playing this game of you know, hide and seek. 56 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: They can't cet. So there is no reasonable basis to 57 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: oppose the deportation of all one point four one point 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: five million of those who are in the country illegally 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: with a with a deportation order on them already, and 60 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: those who are in the country whoever serious criminal history, 61 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: who just came across our border unvetted. I mean, that's 62 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: the category they're going after. We have to we have 63 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: to make sure everyone knows this because it's gonna turn 64 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 3: into AOC fake crying at the border again. Really soon 65 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: you remember that, remember that, you know the. 66 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: Yes, here's what I think we need to do. We 67 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 4: got to get our arguments lined up. Barack Obama deported 68 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 4: a massive number of people during his term in office, 69 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: and almost no one is even aware of that because 70 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: everybody has a goldfish memory in this social media era 71 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: in which we live. What do I mean by that? 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: Goldfish don't remember anything, So it's like you're blinking and 73 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: then something new happens and you decide that it's the 74 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: worst thing that's ever occurred. Obama deported. I believe a 75 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: team in New York look up the numbers. I believe 76 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 4: Obama deported over a million people during his time in office, Buck, 77 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: and nobody talks about it, and those are significant. So 78 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: I think you need to have those numbers ready as 79 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 4: a talking point that what we're doing now in the 80 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 4: Trump administration historically is not an aberration at all. In fact, 81 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 4: Barack Saint Obama, who everybody wants to claim is the 82 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: greatest human being who's ever been president in history, just 83 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 4: a decade ago, it was very normal to deport. The 84 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 4: other thing is, Buck, they have to be very calculated 85 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 4: in the people that they start with, they have to 86 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 4: make the case we are removing people who are clear 87 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: law breakers that are most likely to commit crimes of 88 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 4: violence against innocent people in the United States, and we 89 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: have to make that case aggressively, because I do think 90 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: what you're going to see is a lot of governors 91 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 4: are going to decide that the way they become the 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 4: nominee in twenty twenty eight in an open Democrat primary 93 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 4: is by branding themselves as the anti Trump. So I 94 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 4: think you're going to see Gretchen Whitmer. I think you're 95 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 4: going to see JB. Pritzker. I think you're gonna see 96 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 4: Josh Shapiro. I think you're going to see all of 97 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 4: these governors who have aspirations to be the Democrat nominee 98 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty eight Gavin Newsom line up against Trump 99 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 4: and try to be the most fervently anti Trump as possible. 100 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 4: Not because they think it's the right decision for their state, 101 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 4: it's not, but because they think it's the right decision 102 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 4: for their political future. Prepare yourselves for it. 103 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: Tom Homan also made mention Clay of what he can 104 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 3: see coming, which is the hashtag resistance if you will, 105 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: from Blue cities and blue states, sanctuary jurisdictions, their sanctuary cities, 106 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 3: their sanctuary states effectively, and he's saying, look, they play 107 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: this game, right. They only do this with immigration. You 108 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: will never I work at something called the High Intensity 109 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: Drug Trafficking Area Facility in New York, Okay. That was 110 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: where the counter terrorism Unit, the NYPD was based at 111 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: that time. We had de A they, we had DEA there, 112 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: we had ICE there, we had NYPD obviously, which is 113 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: the body that I was assigned to. Uh, you know 114 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: you had you had FBI nearby or you know sitting nearby. 115 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: It all worked together, and nobody was ever like, hey, 116 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: can can't help you with that, like cartel assassin thing 117 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 3: like that's that's more federal than state, Like if the 118 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: FEDS asked for help or if the state they were 119 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 3: working together. The only place I've ever seen this breakdown 120 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: and law enforcement listeners, let me know if there's something else. 121 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 3: The only place you ever see this is on illegal immigration, 122 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: where all of a sudden, local law enforcement is told 123 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: under orders do not help, and and even go beyond that, 124 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: don't even notify, right, so they'll have somebody in custody 125 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: who's an illegal who's committed a crime and they'll release 126 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 3: them pending court. And instead of saying, hey, Ice, we 127 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 3: got this guy who's just been arrested for sexual assault. 128 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: You know, do you want to come pick up up? 129 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 3: They let them out and they don't want to tell Ice. 130 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 3: Tom Holman is saying, look, Blue cities and states, you 131 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: don't want to get in the way of the mission 132 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: here from the federal side. Play this has cut three 133 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: play this week. 134 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 5: What happens to mayor or local police department chief that 135 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 5: is under a democratic leadership that obstructs ICE in your 136 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 5: federal agents that are helping get these deportations, and what 137 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 5: happens to. 138 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: Them, Well, first of all, if they'll want to help 139 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: us get the hell out of the way, for we're going 140 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: to do it. If I got sent twice a month 141 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: of resources to that city, that's what we're going to do. 142 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: If they able to give us access to the jail, 143 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: that don't mean less agents to the community. For them 144 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: push them back and not let us in the jail, 145 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: it just means more agents are gonna be in the community. 146 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: So they're hurting themselves. Finally, Y'll say this, they need 147 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: to educate themselves. They didn't review this totally. The United 148 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: States Cold thirteen twenty four Triple I read about that 149 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: and don't cross that line because it is a felony 150 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: to harbor and conceal and illego ailing from Ice. Read 151 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: the statue. Don't cross that line. 152 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: He's talking about harboring now and aiding play This is 153 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: he's saying this. People have gotten so used to ilegal 154 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: immigration being this area of law where it doesn't really count, 155 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Here's one clay. Do you 156 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: know that you're not allowed to be in the country 157 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: as an immigrant and be a public charge. That's actually 158 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: against federal code. That's against federal statute. How many immigrants 159 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: are getting welfare benefits and things like that. It is 160 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: absolutely forbidden under federal law. He's saying, aiding and abetting 161 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: a fugitive from Ice. This isn't something they're going to 162 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 3: forget anymore. So this state, local law enforcement and federal 163 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: law enforcement issue could get very real here because you've 164 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 3: got these woke, lunatic governors and mayors. 165 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 4: Buck here's the number, by the way, And I think 166 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 4: this is going to stagger a lot of people because 167 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 4: I think it speaks to how dishonest our politics have become. 168 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 4: According to the New York Times, three million people were 169 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 4: deported by Barack Obama during his two terms in office. 170 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 4: Three million. So for everybody out there who's going to act, 171 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: and again this is important, we have to mobilize the 172 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 4: narrative to make people understand that what Trump is doing 173 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 4: is actually just something that was not even considered remotely 174 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 4: controversial in the grand scheme of things during Obama's term 175 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 4: in office. In fact, Barack Obama deported more people than 176 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 4: any president ever has in the history of the game. 177 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: It was very clever, though, I mean the whole member 178 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: did that. He was the deporter in chief going into 179 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: the twenty twelve mid terms and then when he won reelection. 180 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: The whole Term one for Obama was Obamacare, and we 181 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: are still living with the consequences of that decision. Term 182 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: two is supposed to be amnesty, and the way that 183 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: they thought they could get to amnesty was to deport 184 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: people while pushing Republicans on the Gang of Eight bill 185 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: and getting Republicans to go along. And there are bad 186 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 3: Republicans on immigration, there are lots of them. Actually, look 187 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: at wasn't it Wasn't it a was it Langford? 188 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 4: Who wasn't it in Oklahoma who tried to wor work 189 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 4: with Biden right at the end of his term to 190 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: put through a crap bill. It's embarrassing, honestly embarrassing stuff. 191 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 4: There are Republicans who are who are dictated to by 192 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 4: the Chamber of Commerce, by big business, by the donor 193 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 4: class who like illegal immigration. That's a reality. But Clay, 194 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 4: what's so interesting here? 195 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: And you know, I give Ann Coulter credit for this 196 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: for example, and the immigration issue. She's always saying no, no, no, 197 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: there are laws already that need to be used that 198 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: will help with this issue massively. They just choose not 199 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: to use them. Tom Holman knows what those laws are. 200 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: Tom Holman knows that the decision to ignore federal statute 201 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: is not the same thing as erasing federal statute. So 202 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: there are a lot of tools at his disposal this 203 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 3: time around to do things to clean this up. And 204 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: I just I mean, this is where I want to 205 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: know who You're not in the country legally and you're 206 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: committing crimes here, yeah, you know, and you're and you're 207 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 3: supposed to be able to stay. That is a national 208 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: suicide pack. Over the long run that is completely outside 209 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: the realm of the scene totally. 210 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 4: And again, I just want everybody to prepare for the 211 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 4: fight that is coming and recognize how outrageous the arguments 212 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 4: against it are gonna be. But you're right, Buck, AOC 213 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 4: is gonna put on her all white outfit. The media 214 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 4: is gonna follow her. She's going to start to cry 215 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 4: by a chain link fence. They're gonna find the one 216 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 4: four year old who gets separated from his dad or 217 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 4: his mom, and they're going to turn that into an 218 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 4: anecdote reflective of a policy that is not actually representative, right, 219 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 4: but they're going to find it. It'll go viral on 220 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 4: social media. Prepare yourselves for where this is coming. Also, Buck, 221 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 4: this is also hugely important. The message is important too, 222 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 4: because as soon as you start deporting millions of people, 223 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: everybody that's coming here illegally is gonna say, wait a minute, 224 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 4: is that trip worth it? When you're telling them we're 225 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 4: never going to deport you. That's why ten million plus 226 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: illegals came in. It's not just about sending people back, 227 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 4: it's about stopping the flow that exists right now. 228 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 3: It changes the incentive dramatically, right It changes the incentive 229 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: for especially how the immigration issue, the illegal immigration issue 230 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: has changed. Where Clay it used to be can you 231 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 3: walk here? So that was Mexico. Some countries to the 232 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: south of Mexico. The people showing up at the border 233 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: are paying to fly from Pakistan, from Yemen, from all 234 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: over Southeast Asia and West Africa, and you name it, 235 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: like if it's a poor country. Basically people are coming 236 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: here from there, but they're flying to sometimes a country 237 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: that has very easy passport controls. In South America, they 238 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: go up through the Darien Gap. In Central America, they 239 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: make their way up in past you know, through Mexico. 240 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 3: Pay the cartels in Mexico. That's a lot of effort 241 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: and money to spend if you're not really sure that 242 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: you're going to be able to stay. So Holman's the 243 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: guy for the job. This is the single this is 244 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: you know, this and the government efficiency I think is 245 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 3: kind of make or break for the Trump administration agenda. 246 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 3: I gotta be honest with you, and I know that 247 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: that's setting a high standard because economy is going to 248 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 3: be great, you know, things are going to be better 249 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: on national security, but this is really going to be 250 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: the determining factor for year one. How's it going. 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There, Clay, Heather texted us, 278 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: I should say tweeted or I don't know what do 279 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: you say when someone I think it's still a tweet 280 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: right or tweeted because it can't be posted at us. 281 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: That's weird on X Hey, Clay and Buck. Look up 282 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: Clinton's deportation record. Obama does not have the highest deportation number, Heather. 283 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: I think in the aggregates still a Barack Obama over 284 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: the eight years did have the most. 285 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: Over eight years. 286 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: I think Bill Clinton was more like a million over 287 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: his eight years. But here's the thing. It used to 288 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: be adult male, overwhelmingly Mexican. This is just by the data. Okay, 289 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: adult male Mexicans illegally crossing and a lot of time 290 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: play illegally going back because they were coming into the 291 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: country seasonally to make money. It was entire somebody who 292 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: is coming here from Myanmar is planning to stay forever. 293 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: Correct. 294 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 4: That's the biggest change that I think has not been 295 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 4: discussed enough is when you're coming from all over the 296 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: world and what's the number one hundred and eighty countries 297 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: I think ish that people have crossed illegally our southern border. 298 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: You're not going back. And to your point, Buck, when 299 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: you're crossing the Darien Gap and you're coming all the 300 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 4: way from Venezuela, you're coming all the way from from 301 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 4: southern Latin America. You're not trans You're not moving into 302 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 4: the country to work seasonally and then go back and 303 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: live your life primarily in Mexico, as was the historic 304 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 4: immigration patterns for much of American history. You're talking about 305 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 4: people who are coming now and never leaving. And the 306 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 4: other part of this that we have to have a 307 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: conversation about is Trump has to, I believe, come out 308 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 4: and say, if you're here illegally, your child does not 309 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,359 Speaker 4: become an American citizen. Why should we reward illegal behavior 310 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 4: with American citizenship? 311 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: And just to get back to these numbers, real qui 312 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: because people gonna say, wait, but but it's is a turnaway, 313 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: a deportation. Sometimes they count that depending on the administration 314 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: as yes, So stopped at the border, is that a deportation? 315 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: Are we talking interior deportations? So there's a lot of 316 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: ways to crunch the numbers, but Biden didn't deport almost anyone. 317 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 318 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: We've got the governor of Oklahoma with us now. Governor 319 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: Kevin Stitt is with us. Governor, appreciate you making the 320 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: time for us. Thanks for coming back on Clay and Buck. 321 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 6: Absolutely great to be with you guys. 322 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: All Right, So we're talking a lot today about the 323 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: very prominent and now the media will say controversial. Trump 324 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: planned to begin deportations on a much accelerated, much vaster 325 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: scale than certainly what Biden was doing in the past, 326 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: and law enforcement priorities pushing this meaning people who are 327 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 3: criminal illegal aliens at the top of the list for deportation. 328 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 3: You've unveiled in your state operation, Guardian. Tell us about 329 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: this program, how it work in Oklahoma as it unfolds, 330 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: and also how you plan to have the state work 331 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 3: with the federal government the Trump administration to finally restore 332 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 3: some law and order when it comes to illegal immigration. 333 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely. Well, first off, I mean it's just an 334 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 6: optimistic mood in America. I mean you can feel it. 335 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 6: We're going back to law and order. We're going to 336 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 6: get you know, inflation under control, energy permitting, reform, safety 337 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 6: across the world. I mean, it's just really exciting to 338 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 6: have common sense back in the White House. And so 339 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 6: in Oklahoma, I mean it's just total common sense. If 340 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 6: we have people that are breaking the law, that they're criminals, 341 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 6: plus their illegals and Oklahoma truld. You know, if we've 342 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 6: given these people over to Ice under a Biden Harris administration, 343 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 6: nothing happens. So we've obviously got bad guys in prison 344 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 6: because we're a law and order state. But now with 345 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 6: Trump coming back to the White House, we wanted to 346 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 6: be the first state to kind of lead by example, 347 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 6: to say, listen, Oklahoma taxpayers should not be footing the 348 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 6: bill for people that are here illegally number one and 349 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 6: number two, especially people that are that are criminals that 350 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 6: are in our in our correctional facility. So those are 351 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 6: the first ones we want to tackle. And we wanted 352 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 6: to kind of be a model to other states and 353 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 6: work with the Trump administration and know that now we 354 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 6: have a partner in the White House who believes in 355 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 6: common sense and wants to protect law and order and 356 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 6: wants to protect safe across the country. 357 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: Governor, appreciate you coming on. I'm sure you've already seen 358 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 4: a lot of Democrat governors saying we're not going to 359 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 4: work with Trump at all when it comes to deportations. 360 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 4: How do you think that will play out? And how 361 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 4: much of that I think the answer is probably one 362 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 4: hundred percent. Is that often political angling to try to 363 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 4: potentially put themselves in the running to be the Democrat 364 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 4: nominee in twenty. 365 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 6: Eight Yeah, I mean, I think Americans are too smart 366 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 6: for that. They can see they're talking from the exact 367 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 6: same playbook, and it was amazing. Like I think the 368 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 6: day after the election, you started seeing, you know, the 369 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 6: regular folks, the regular Democratic talking points from all the 370 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 6: different governors talking about we're going to protect our citizens. 371 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 6: You're gonna have to come through me. Well, I think 372 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 6: that they're missing the point. I think Americans spoke overwhelmingly. 373 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 6: Trump got won the popular vote three hundred and twelve 374 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 6: electoral votes, and overwhelmingly people want security, they want a 375 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 6: law and order back in our communities. They believe in 376 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 6: safe communities. We want freedom and education, we want to 377 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 6: unleash American energy. And so again, I don't think the 378 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 6: Democrats learned any frame from that last election, And for 379 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 6: them to come out immediately and say they're not going 380 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 6: to work with the president on law and order, I 381 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 6: think they're shooting themselves in the foot and they didn't 382 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 6: learn anything from Tuesday's election. 383 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: Are there sanction I know you're in a very red state, 384 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: the governor fortunately very red state. But I'm assuming it's 385 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 3: possibly you've got sanctuary jurisdictions in Tulsa, maybe Oklahoma City. 386 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: I mean, is that is that a challenge for you 387 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: in terms of local and state law enforcement working together 388 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: on this issue? Are they on board? 389 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 6: Well? 390 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: What can you tell us about that, because I just 391 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: I wonder how that state, local, and federal is going 392 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 3: to all collide or work together on this issue. 393 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 6: Well, you know, yeah, we're not a sanctuary state at all. 394 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 6: I mean, occasionally we'll have some of our big city 395 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 6: mayors that that'll push back and are kind of squishy 396 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 6: on this issue. But really, what I'm talking about here, 397 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 6: and I don't know how any American and certainly how 398 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 6: any Oklahoma would complain about it. We're talking about people 399 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 6: that are here illegally number one and number two, they're 400 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 6: also incarcerated. They're criminals. They're either in gangs, they've had 401 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 6: to run in with law enforcement, they've got busted for, 402 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 6: you know, running drugs, and Fenton al coming across the border. 403 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 6: So we're talking about that element first. I think that's 404 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 6: what Trump's talking about. And then we need to get 405 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 6: them out of our states, out of our country. And 406 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 6: then I believe in immigration reform, we need to have 407 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 6: if somebody comes to the University of Oklahoma on an 408 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 6: education visa and they get an engineering degree, we want 409 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 6: to convert that to a workforce visa. So if people 410 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 6: want to chase the American dream and pay taxes and 411 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 6: be part of our society and we have jobs for them, 412 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 6: we want to connect the employers with employees. I'm all 413 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 6: for workforce visas and changing that immigration policy. But we're 414 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 6: talking about the criminal element right now, and that I 415 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 6: don't know how anybody could argue, Democrat or Republican that 416 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 6: that needs to be out of our country. 417 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 4: When you look at you mentioned that, you can feel 418 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: a major vibe shift. I know Oklahoma is very much 419 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 4: of a Trump Uh, you know, fertile ground, right, you 420 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 4: guys win in your state go red by a massive amount. 421 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 4: But I got some stats here for you, Governor. This 422 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 4: is the latest data in terms of how things have moved. 423 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 4: New York moved eleven point five percent towards Trump, New 424 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 4: Jersey ten point two, Florida nine point eight Massachusetts eight 425 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 4: point seven percent, California eight point four percent. So four 426 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 4: of the biggest states to gain massively in Trump's support 427 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: were blue states. I'm curious, do you feel that when 428 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 4: other governors are starting to talk that even somebody like 429 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 4: Kathy Hokel, for instance, in New York, which is considered 430 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 4: a blue state. Crazily New York is closer to a 431 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 4: red state than Texas or Florida are to blue states 432 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 4: based on the data out there. Can you feel maybe 433 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: a vibe shift in terms of how even those politicians 434 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 4: are talking given what happened even in blue states, You know. 435 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 6: I really can't. I'm the vice chair this year of 436 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 6: the National Governor Association, which is the bipartisan group, and 437 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 6: so behind closed doors when I talk to my Democratic colleagues, 438 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 6: it's very collegial. We've got a good relationship, and I'm 439 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 6: surprised how they are all telling me, yes, we need 440 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 6: stronger borders. And that was what's so perplexing for the 441 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 6: American people. It's why, you know, the Biden Harris administration 442 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 6: was refusing to go back to Trump era policies, which 443 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 6: has remain in Mexico. And so I think that across 444 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 6: the board, you know, the governors at least understand that 445 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 6: we need to have border security. We need that. And 446 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 6: unless they're trying to kind of placate to the they're you know, 447 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 6: left wing part of their party. 448 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 2: Uh. 449 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 6: These are these are just common sense things that if 450 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 6: you're truly an American and you want what's best for 451 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 6: our country, you shouldn't be able to argue these these points. Uh. 452 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 6: But it's really exciting. And you look at the uh, 453 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 6: the Hispanic popular Uh the vote went uh made major 454 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 6: gains towards the Republican Party. Because I tell people, they're 455 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 6: they're concerned about that, they believe in God and family 456 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 6: and their entrepreneurs and and and they're more concerned about 457 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 6: the economy than than somebody's pronouns. They don't want their 458 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 6: little girls to have to be competing with biological mails 459 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 6: and sports. I mean, the left has gone so far 460 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 6: the other way that I think that you saw that 461 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 6: in this election, and so hopefully common sense will return. 462 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 6: And I know common sense is going to return to 463 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 6: the White House, and I hope we're seeing it return 464 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 6: to New York and California and some of these other 465 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 6: states and just say, hey, we we want to give 466 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 6: the Trump administration a chance. And uh and I think 467 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 6: we want safe communities and we want our to be 468 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 6: protected in when they play sports and stuff that we've 469 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 6: known in Oklahoma for a long time, just being. 470 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 3: The governor, Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma. Governor, how many illegals 471 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: are currently in custody in your state? Do you have 472 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 3: a pretty good firm number on that? And what is 473 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 3: the cost to the people of Oklahoma just to incarcerate them, 474 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: roughly speaking on a day or monthly basis. 475 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, So you know, I've had our team go back 476 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 6: and look at that. We have I think around twenty 477 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 6: thousand people incarcerated in Oklahoma. There's something I'm always working 478 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 6: on is safe communities, but also want to make sure 479 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 6: that we believe in second chances. So we've done a 480 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 6: lot of work there, but there's five hundred and twenty 481 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 6: six people that should not be incarcerated in Oklahoma because 482 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 6: they're illegals and they broke the law, and we're having 483 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 6: to pay for their incarcerations. And so it's millions and 484 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 6: millions of dollars to the taxpayers of Oklahoma. I think 485 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 6: it's mean. 486 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 3: I read something, just so I read something, and it's 487 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 3: almost forty thousand dollars forty thousand dollars too, for each 488 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 3: one of those inmates. Is that correct? 489 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 6: I mean for the year, that is correct. Yeah, So 490 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 6: it's going to cost us between twenty to thirty thousand. 491 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 6: I don't know the exact number per inmate per year. 492 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 6: And that's just saddled directly on the state taxpayers. That's 493 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 6: our state. 494 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 3: So tens of millions of dollars being spent by taxpayers 495 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 3: in your state at a minimum, that should not be 496 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 3: just for those who are incarcerated. 497 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 6: That is exactly right, that's correct. So and then you 498 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 6: know it did no good before with the Biden Harris administration. 499 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 6: Is ICE was not doing their job. Under a Trump administration, 500 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 6: we're going to return to the rule of law, and 501 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 6: so when we push those back to ICE, they'll be 502 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 6: returned back to they'll be out of Oklahoma and out 503 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 6: of our country, which will be a good thing. We 504 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 6: don't want the criminal element here. But I also remind 505 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 6: people we need immigration reform, and we need to make 506 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 6: sure we have state workforce visas and we match employers 507 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 6: to employees. And that's good as well if people want 508 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 6: to chase the American dream and and so I think 509 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 6: that's important for people to note as well. 510 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 4: Governor, we know that Barack Obama recently Bill Clinton, Democrat 511 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 4: governors who are a Democrat governor in the case of 512 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 4: Bill Clinton, a former senator in the case of Obama, 513 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 4: but they got elected on the idea that, hey, illegal 514 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: immigrants should be sent back. This wasn't considered to be 515 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 4: a political issue. How much do you think this will 516 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 4: become a political issue going forward? We mentioned Democrat governors 517 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 4: are already lining up. Or do you think the fact 518 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 4: that this was standard operating procedure to deport illegals, particularly 519 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 4: illegals with criminal backgrounds, as recently as when Obama was 520 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 4: in office, will that end up ultimately winning the public argument? 521 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 4: How do you see this playing out? 522 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 6: You know, I think they've gone too far. I don't 523 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 6: see how this is. I think Trump has made the 524 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 6: national story. The Republican Governors Association sent letter, We've made 525 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 6: this a national story. Pushing on border security. I believe 526 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 6: the American people are there that we have to have 527 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 6: strong borders, we have to know who's coming through our country. 528 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 6: We need to have immigration reform. I'll give you that too. 529 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 6: But I don't believe that all of a sudden in 530 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 6: twenty eight the election cycle is going to flip and 531 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 6: all of a sudden, American people are going to vote 532 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 6: for you know, the crazy person that's saying, yeah, let's 533 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 6: do open borders. I just don't believe. I think I 534 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 6: think the pendulum is going to swing back to more 535 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 6: normalcy to say, hey, no, no, no. Even Democrats agree 536 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 6: that we have to have border security, and this is 537 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 6: not a winning argument for their side, And if they 538 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 6: keep doubling down on it, I just think it just 539 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 6: shows you how politically blind they are. Trump just won 540 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 6: overwhelmingly with a mandate to say we're going to secure 541 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 6: our border and we're going to have safe communities, and 542 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 6: for them to come out day one, I think it's 543 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 6: just very All they're doing is just trying to put 544 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 6: themselves anti Trump person out there and they think it's 545 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 6: going to gain you know, with the far left part 546 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 6: of their party, maybe make them some kind of hero. 547 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 6: But I think long term it's it's not gonna work. 548 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 6: And and if they keep running on that playbook, you're 549 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 6: gonna see the same type of landside victories that you 550 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 6: saw in twenty four for the for the good guys. 551 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 3: Governor Stitt of Oklahoma, always appreciate you making the time 552 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 3: for us, and we'll talk to you again soon about 553 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 3: how this is all going once it gets to the 554 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: implementation phase. 555 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 6: Absolutely. Hey, thanks so much for having me. 556 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have 557 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck Show. 558 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 559 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 4: of you hanging out with us. We were just talking 560 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 4: with Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt. A lot of you reacting 561 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 4: and sharing information about mass deportations. There's an interesting dichotomy, Buck, 562 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 4: Just FYI, so we are seeing this The way that 563 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 4: they count as basic deportations has changed over the years. 564 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 4: That is, rejecting people at the border is sometimes counted, 565 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 4: sometimes it's not. So some of you are blowing us 566 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 4: up with Bill Clinton. Hey, he Actually, when we're saying deportation, 567 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 4: the way we're classifying it now is putting people on 568 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 4: airplanes and sending them back to their country of origin. 569 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: Finding incarcerating, sending back the country of origin. This is 570 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: what I was trying to say when you look at 571 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 3: the Clinton years, and I think the Obama administration was 572 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: doing this as well, probably the Bush administration too. If 573 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: they caught you at the border and turned you back, 574 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 3: or if they just turned you away at a port 575 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 3: of entry, they were considering that a deportation, which is 576 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: not very different in terms of resources and everything else. 577 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: It's a very different ordeal. 578 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 4: What we're saying is Obama around three million flying out 579 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 4: of the country now. Also, many of you out there 580 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 4: will say, and you're right, we never had the number 581 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 4: of illegal immigrants in the country like we do now. 582 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 4: And Buck, I know many of you out there will 583 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 4: remember this. I remember this feeling around about two thousand. 584 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 4: Suddenly there was a massive influx of illegal immigrants in 585 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 4: for instance, the city that I live in, Nashville. I 586 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 4: just remember out of nowhere, early in the twenty first century, 587 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 4: there was suddenly a mass influx of illegal immigrants that 588 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 4: you could notice in a place like Nashville, Tennessee, where 589 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 4: I lived, and it felt very different than it did 590 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 4: in the eighties and the nineties, which, as you pointed out, 591 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 4: and this is important, illegal immigration is different today than 592 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: it was then. It used to be, Hey, I'm coming in, 593 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 4: I'm doing a seasonal job. I'm in California. I'm gonna 594 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: show up. I'm gonna pick strawberries, for instance, or tomatoes 595 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 4: or whatever it is seasonally, and then I'm gonna go 596 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 4: back to Mexico with the money. That doesn't happen as 597 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 4: much now. It's permanent, and that's why it's a different 598 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 4: level of problem to have to be addressed, and so 599 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 4: obviously significant. 600 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: Deporting somebody to Mexico, like we all know, the geography 601 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 3: is a lot easier than deporting them to Bangladesh. Okay, 602 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: one is a long plane ride, and you've got to 603 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 3: arrange all that, and you know, you've got to make 604 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: sure you've got enough people going to enough places for 605 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 3: the plane ride to be worth it. Mexico if you're 606 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 3: setting them back just to Mexico pretty easy, right, So 607 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: that's a whole other thing that you have to take 608 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 3: into account with US as well. When we're talking about 609 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 3: what Trump's going to do with warp speed deportation, maybe 610 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 3: they should call it that Operation Warp Speed Deportation. It's 611 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 3: going to be people who are found incarcerated sent back 612 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 3: to their country of origin in planes.