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Speaker 1: This is Inside Football with former Colts and NFL coach

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Speaker 1: Rick Venturi.

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Speaker 2: Colts training camp at Grand Park. It's winding down, but

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Speaker 2: we're still firing up the podcast. This is Inside Football

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Speaker 2: here with Rick Ventury. Welcome everybody. I'm Matt Taylor inside

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Speaker 2: the Indiana Union Construction Industry radio studio. Rick Ventury is

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Speaker 2: back per usual, bringing his twenty seven years of NFL

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Speaker 2: coaching background with him and Rick. Big time week here

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Speaker 2: coming up for the Colts the Grand Park portion of camp.

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Speaker 1: It's winding down.

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Speaker 2: A joint practice with the Green Bay Packers, a playoff

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Speaker 2: team from last season, that's on the horizon on Thursday

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Speaker 2: of this week, and we're also going to see some

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Speaker 2: at Lucas Soil Stadium over the weekend. So rick a

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Speaker 2: very eventful next couple of days for the Colts, and

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Speaker 2: like I said, it's starting to get juicy around here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's you know, that's two of the

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Speaker 3: as you said, you know, the Packers were eleven and six,

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Speaker 3: this is a legit team. I hope they do play

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Speaker 3: tons out of those. You know, the practice, the joint

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Speaker 3: practice tomorrow. So yeah, this is really really maybe the

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Speaker 1: Matt Yep, no question about it. So it's on the horizon.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna recap last Thursday's preseason game in Baltimore in

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Speaker 2: terms of your film breakdown, So we'll do that. Also

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Speaker 2: on today's podcast, We're gonna keep you updated on training

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Speaker 2: camp so far. The Colts did practice three consecutive days

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Speaker 2: and also preview Thursday's joint practice and talk about Saturday's

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Speaker 2: preseason game with the starters set to play about a

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Speaker 2: are loaded up, but Rick, First off, let's go back

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Speaker 2: to last Thursday in Baltimore. The big fallout from the game,

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, I thought he was. I thought he was

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Speaker 3: Sixty nine starts. Isn't it something like that? I mean,

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Speaker 2: We're twelve practices in, you've got one joint practice, you've

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Speaker 2: we chronicled a joint practice Thursday, preseason game Saturday, where

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Speaker 2: the starters are gonna play. I want to be I'm

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Speaker 2: interested to see what the Packers are going to do defensively.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you know, is Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: But from the.

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Speaker 3: I'm probably undecided. But if somebody put me in a

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Speaker 3: just I feel very good about Daniel. I I probably

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Speaker 2: You, Well, Jones going to start the game Saturday against

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Speaker 2: So last thing on the quarterbacks, Rick, give me some

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Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna find out after Labor Day for sure.

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Speaker 3: He's won a lot of battles, you know, not just

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Speaker 3: And that's his key. But I think he is really

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Speaker 3: But lat two is the guy that we drafted to

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Speaker 2: Since the Colts picked him up in the draft, I mean,

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Speaker 2: play doesn't dip based on whether it's Anthony Richardson or

432
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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones in the game at quarterback. So for you,

433
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Speaker 2: I'm curious, are you recalibrating your expectations out of what

434
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Speaker 2: you think you're going to see from him based on

435
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Speaker 2: what you've seen from him so far to this point

436
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Speaker 2: in camp?

437
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Speaker 3: I would say yes, although although I had great expectations

438
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 3: and I said yeah, after the draft, his numbers will

439
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 3: be dictated by the quarter not him, because he's that good.

440
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,239
Speaker 3: I mean we were elated when he fell to us.

441
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 3: I mean we were. That's one of the greatest fortunes

442
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 3: of all times that he fell to us. And he's

443
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: not only validated that elation, but to me, as you

444
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: just said, he's gone beyond my expectations. I mean, this

445
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: is a I think we have two elite players, and

446
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: we have a lot of good players and guys that

447
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 3: could be there. Two elite players Jonathan Taylor and now

448
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: Warren And I'm saying that about a kid that hasn't

449
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: even played a real game yet. But he can do everything.

450
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 3: He blocks well on the edge. You know, he's a

451
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 3: terrific receiver. You know, he's got that length, so the

452
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 3: radius is there, you can throw it around him. He

453
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 3: competes for the fifty to fifty ball and wins. He's

454
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: a great route runner. And what's amazing is he's good

455
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Speaker 3: with the ball in hand. I mean he'll lower that

456
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Speaker 3: shoulder and come after you as a tight end. If

457
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Speaker 3: you're a safety, you're gonna have to start making business

458
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: decisions on him because he's gonna knock it down. So

459
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: there isn't anything he hasn't done. And what he gives

460
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: to you, here's what he really gives to you. He

461
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: hords you great versatility. I mean he can line up

462
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 3: in the backfield as a fullback. He can line up

463
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: on the edge in a power to tight end offense.

464
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: He can line up displaced and become almost like a

465
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: hybrid wide out. So like on first down, if you

466
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Speaker 3: have him and Mo Ali, let's say on the edges,

467
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: you have two guys power players that can block the edge.

468
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Speaker 3: But then with him though, you have almost like a

469
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: third wide. So you know, you create a matchup whether

470
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Speaker 3: he goes in the backfield, whether he splits out. And

471
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Speaker 3: what you're seeing is they're moving him all the way

472
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Speaker 3: outside of X to what I call the tax position

473
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Speaker 3: tight end outside of X. And what that does is

474
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Speaker 3: number One, if you walk, if you walk a linebacker

475
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Speaker 3: out there, you've done two things. One you've told the

476
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Speaker 3: quarterback you're in man coverage, and number two, you've created

477
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: a huge mismatch for yourself out there. So, in other words,

478
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: he gives you power player with the two tight end offense,

479
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: but he also gives you almost a hybrid third wide.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be so fun to see the creativity

481
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: formationally and just the amount of pressure that he can

482
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Speaker 2: put on opposing defenses because of everything that he can do.

483
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: So you're not gonna tip your hand, run or pass

484
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 2: based on his presence on the field. I think that's

485
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that he brings to this offense. There's

486
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Speaker 2: a canful of things that I want to get into

487
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: before we close out here, Rick, I got to ask

488
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: you about these injuries you brought him up in the secondary.

489
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Speaker 2: They're starting to mount up at the cornerback spot here.

490
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

491
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Speaker 2: In the recent couple of days, the Colts of practice

492
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Speaker 2: without four of their top five cornerbacks on the roster.

493
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: And maybe we kind of have to rephrase that because

494
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: justin Wally's on ir, so he's not on the roster

495
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: any longer. But Jalen Jones continues to miss time. Juju

496
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: Brentz continues to miss time. Both of those guys dealing

497
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: with nagging and lingering hamstring injuries. Kenny Moore now dealing

498
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: with the knee injury. He's missed the last couple of

499
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Speaker 2: days of practice leading into this joint workout on Thursday

500
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Speaker 2: with Green Bay. Not good, Rick, what's your concern level

501
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: about the depth that used to be there that's not

502
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: present now here?

503
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Speaker 3: Well, I'll explain it this way. You know, when camp

504
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: started and I had big expectations because when you go

505
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 3: out and get Ward and you get buying him and

506
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: cross his performance last year and Kenny, you know, righting

507
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: argument for best nickel in the league. I mean you

508
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: you got some talent. And then Wally came in and

509
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: just was playing his absolute tail off. And so after

510
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: about the first week in the camp, I said to myself,

511
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 3: this is the best five combination five defensive backs that

512
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: we've had here in well over a decade in terms

513
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: of talent and fit what Lou wants to do. So

514
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: the loss, first of all, the loss to Wally is

515
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 3: really really critical because the kid, really he brings tremendous

516
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: talent and toughness and even though he was a rookie,

517
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 3: you could just see it. As a coach, you can

518
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: just see it and feel it. And so that strike

519
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: number one, okay. And then the guy that was gonna

520
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 3: be the you know, the probably the fourth corner who

521
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: is a good player in my opinion, a little bit

522
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: better than I anticipated, and a great competitor is Jones.

523
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: Jalen goes out and apparently it's a pretty significant lower

524
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: leg injury, and you know, just I'm just praying that

525
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: we get him back for the opener, fulls tilt, ready

526
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 3: to go, because I think we'll survive with him in

527
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: that situation, because he has survived. He he's outplayed everybody's

528
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: expectation and it's because he's a great competitor. And I think,

529
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: as I said last year all season long, which Lou

530
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: will do, is if you press with him with the

531
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Speaker 3: link that he has, you're gonna make him a better player.

532
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 3: He's going to be a better player. But then you know,

533
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: you complicate that by you know, with Juju being out,

534
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: a guy that we've seen flash and we hope for him,

535
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: so he's out, and so now it goes back to Womack,

536
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: who did play decently for US. He seems his struggle

537
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: this year with Hoding even in camp. And then you

538
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: got kids that are kind of you know, undrafted free agents.

539
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: You got Edwards who has looked pretty good. He's actually

540
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: moved into the starting lineup because of injuries. The other

541
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: thing you lost with Wally is he was not only

542
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: the starting corner in nickel, but he was the backup

543
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: nickel to Kenny Moore because he's really Kenny Moore too.

544
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Speaker 3: In my nervous absolutely, there's no doubt about that, because

545
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: what I really was seeing through the camps is lose

546
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: new approach which is much more aggressive, much more pressing defense,

547
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: which I favor matchups underneath. Uh, you see a guy

548
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: like Batchie at linebacker and make a lot of plays. Uh.

549
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: But you know, now if you if you if you

550
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: get limited you know to uh you know where you

551
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: really have a liability at that at that third corner,

552
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: you know, then it reduces a little bit what you

553
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: can do. So yeah, and and God Willing, Kenny's fine,

554
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: you know, we you know, he's a he is such

555
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: an important part of this team. Plus Lou is a

556
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: master at using the nickel. He saw it with Hilton

557
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: and Cincinnati. I mean he the nickel to him is

558
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: a huge part of his variations. So you know, hopefully

559
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: if we get that that top four and then we

560
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: get Jonesy back, you know we'll be ready to go.

561
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: But at this point of my nervous Yeah, and my

562
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: focus in practice is watching those young corners to see

563
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: if one of them could emerge.

564
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. A lot of eyeballs on

565
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: that secondary here. The last couple of days in camp,

566
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: last couple of things I want to sprinkle in here.

567
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: Let's go special teams kicking battle going on second year

568
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: kicker Spencer Schrader. You also have undrafted rookie Maddix Traheo.

569
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: Schrader's been kind of the more consistent of the two

570
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: in camp lately. Called Special teams coordinator Brian Mason said

571
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 2: last week he wants to see both of his kickers

572
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: over ninety percent. He also said this week that Schrader

573
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Speaker 2: for camp and preseason games and joint practices, he's around

574
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: eighty seven percent all told. Strader made three of four

575
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: last week in Baltimore, made from fifty three miss from

576
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: fifty two in the game. But it sounds like when

577
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: you hear Brian Mason talk the other day, Rick, it

578
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: sounds like Schrader is starting to separate himself a little bit.

579
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Speaker 2: I think he mentioned that Trehio his conversion rate is

580
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: right around seventy eight percent. Strader's gonna get all of

581
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: the kicking reps and the kicking duties on Saturday in

582
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: the preseason game against the Packers, and then whatever opportunities

583
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: are left over in Cincinnati in the final preseason game,

584
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: and those will go to Trhello, how much do you

585
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: at this point, Rick, like and trust Spencer Schrader After

586
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: the team made a ball move to release Mett Gay

587
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: back in April of this year.

588
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I outline my four biggest areas of watching,

589
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: of watching to start the you know, to start the season,

590
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: starting in training camp, and you know, as a surprise

591
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: to many people, one of the four was obviously place kicking.

592
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: I like Schrader, I don't know if I totally trust

593
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: him till we you know, till after Labor Day because

594
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: there's so much pressure on those kicks. We kid about

595
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: it all the time. You never talk about the kicker

596
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: till he misses him. He looks to me and the

597
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: other thing, Mason has a real background with him. You know,

598
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: he had him in college, so he's got a real

599
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: i think confidence level based on even more than what

600
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: we've seen. What he looks to me like going in,

601
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: you know, as a guy that you can be very

602
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: confident on short kicks and medium kicks. He looks like

603
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: a guy that is going to have that he's going

604
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: to approach that high percentage that coach Mason wants. And

605
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: what was really encouraging Sunday was he made to fifty

606
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: three yarders. That's you know, and fifty plus. The field

607
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: goals today are a little bit more normal than they

608
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: we used to think of them. It's almost like you

609
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: separate your kickers with plus plus forty five yard field

610
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: goals today. I mean, the one guy kicked at seventy, yes,

611
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: so but I thought that was you know, I thought

612
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: that was he did joint the second one at fifty two.

613
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: But you know, I thought the fifty three was really solid.

614
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: Was through there. It was through there with plenty of yardage,

615
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: so we can see he can do it. It's just

616
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: like everybody else, everybody else on this team, though, is

617
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: that there's such a different in in in regular season

618
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: play than anything you do in preseason. Johnny Madden I

619
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: heard him say one time that there was, uh, there

620
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: was four levels of intensity and four levels of play

621
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: that you're looking at. Preseason is one, then it goes

622
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: up another level to regular season football, a totally different level.

623
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Speaker 3: And then number three is December football, if you're in

624
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: the hunt, goes to even another level. And then of

625
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: course we know playoff playoff football, you know, is death

626
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: gone one. So you know, I mean so again just

627
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: you know, and particularly with the kicking here, because that's

628
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: a lot of confidence. Uh, you know, you got to

629
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: feel it. You gotta be Right's a lot like a

630
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: golfer and in his putting game. I mean you got

631
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: to have it, you know. And but you know I

632
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: have I have a lot of confidence because I think

633
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: Mason has a lot of confidence in him.

634
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: All Right, I want to ask you about undrafted guy,

635
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: and I know it's going to be tough because the

636
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: roster is really good. It's pretty top heavy with a

637
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: lot of stars on both sides of the ball.

638
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: But any young.

639
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: Udfas catching your eye, I mean, you got big Davante Davis.

640
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: He's a powerful defensive lineman from Florida Atlantic. There's a

641
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: nice story about young wide receiver Tyler Common. He's a

642
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: D two superstar from Imporia State. He was a finalist

643
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: for the Harlan Hill Trophy. That's the best player in

644
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: the country at the D two level, kind of the

645
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: D two's version of the Heisman Trophy. You mentioned Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Edwards at corner. He's getting a lot of run because

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Speaker 2: of the injuries. He's a young man that played three

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Speaker 2: years at Indiana State before traveling over transfer wise to Tulane.

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Speaker 2: So he's got some Hoosier roots to him a little

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Speaker 2: bit anybody else, undrafted rookie free agent that is a

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Speaker 2: little intriguing to you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think a little bit of my view on

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Speaker 3: this and answer is basically my focus. I focus on

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Speaker 3: what I'm really looking at day after day after day.

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Speaker 3: And I would say, you know, because of our our

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Speaker 3: our situation at corner, that is depleted, that is really depleted.

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Speaker 3: Right now, I'm really looking at the at the X Sycamore,

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Speaker 3: I'm really looking at Edwards. He's had a really good camp.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's basically with these guys out.

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Speaker 3: He's first guy in. I mean, he's the first corner

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Speaker 3: in the outside. You look at the last two nights

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Speaker 3: with those guys out, you know, he's in the lineup.

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Speaker 3: He's he's in the lineup opposite a Ward and then

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Speaker 3: some other guys that have just stood out to me,

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Speaker 3: you know, without my focus. I like the slot Owen.

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Speaker 3: I mean I I think in a way, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think he's out played Gold in the sense that he's

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Speaker 3: a reliable catcher goals, just goals, played really well in returns,

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Speaker 3: but he's dropped too many balls. Owens is really he

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Speaker 3: reminds me of those classic slots of New England, like

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Speaker 3: Welker and you know, and then Edelman. He's that kind

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Speaker 3: of guy, really cute underneath, catches everything in his sight,

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Speaker 3: you know. And you know he returned a couple nothing spectacular,

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Speaker 3: but he's got real catching ability. He's caught my again.

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Speaker 3: These two guys have caught my eye without looking for him.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what all name guy and I thought,

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Speaker 3: I thought he played good in the game, and last

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Speaker 3: night he looked good in practice. Is he whoses Bentley?

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Speaker 3: I swear to you. You know, we keep talking about

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Speaker 3: this guy that guy, And I did think Goodson looked

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Speaker 3: really good last night, but I just have been really

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Speaker 3: impressed with Bentley. I think he's a good runner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a nice quality back out of Old Miss

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Speaker 2: for sure. And you know, he made some plays in

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Speaker 2: that preseason game last Thursday as well. So he's going

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Speaker 2: to get some run, primarily in the second half of

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Speaker 2: each of the next two games in the preseason, trying

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Speaker 2: to make a bid for what's probably, in all reality

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Speaker 2: for him, a shot out to make the practice squad

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Speaker 2: for the Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So lastly, we talked about this last week to wrap

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Speaker 2: up the podcast going into the Ravens game. So I'll

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Speaker 2: ask you again, the starters are gonna play about a

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Speaker 2: quarter over the weekend. What makes it a success for

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Speaker 2: the Colts? And let me ask you first, I mean,

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Speaker 2: how pleased are you to hear that the starters are

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Speaker 2: actually gonna play and get some run even after a

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Speaker 2: joint practice two days before the game.

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Speaker 3: You're talking to You're talking to got about a guy

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Speaker 3: who kneeled at the altar of Vince Lombardi. So you

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Speaker 3: know what my answer is on that, You're you're triggering

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Speaker 3: me on this. Okay, I'm elated that the starters are

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Speaker 3: gonna play it. I never buy it when they don't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just the fact that you have a good

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Speaker 3: practice on Thursday that you can't play on Saturday. Give

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Speaker 3: me a break. I thought it was really important. I

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Speaker 3: thought it was a mistake not to play a quarter

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Speaker 3: in that first game for two reasons. Number one, i've

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Speaker 3: never heard of putting the quarterback in, even though it

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Speaker 3: wasn't a big factor putting a starting quarterback in with

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Speaker 3: a backup line on ever, understand that. And then number two,

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Speaker 3: you can't expect a defense to tackle well if they

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Speaker 3: never tackle, and you don't have to overdo it. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're the worst tackling team in the National Football League

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Speaker 3: by far, and so to not put your defense out

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Speaker 3: there and to let at least, if nothing else, you

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Speaker 3: practice tackling in the first quarter. So I still go

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Speaker 3: by the rules. The first game should be a quarter,

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Speaker 3: in the second game should be a full half. But

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Speaker 3: I'm elated that we're going to play our starters for

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Speaker 3: at least a quarter. I guess that's the modern day

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Speaker 3: here with the Colts. Although when you haven't won an

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Speaker 3: opener in over a decade, you would think you would

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Speaker 3: really want your team ready to really get after somebody

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Speaker 3: on opening Day. So yeah, I'm going to be really

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Speaker 3: happy to at least see the starters out there and

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Speaker 3: going full speed. I think your quarterback, you're running back,

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Speaker 3: and maybe not Jonathan. I understand not necessarily playing and

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Speaker 3: a great runner, but your your your running backs, your

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Speaker 3: tight ends, your line in quarterback have to develop a cohesiveness,

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Speaker 3: particularly on protection and protection checks. There's a point where

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Speaker 3: and you only get it live at times you can

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Speaker 3: you know you'll get You're gonna get great stuff out

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Speaker 3: of the practices, but there's something about the live, full

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Speaker 3: speed thing that matters. And then, of course the defense,

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Speaker 3: as I said before, it's really really all about at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day. I've never evaluate my defense

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Speaker 3: never unless we're tackling. I don't care about I can

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Speaker 3: evaluate certain things, but I never evaluate my defense totally

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Speaker 3: till we tackle. So I'm gonna be really excited about that.

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Speaker 3: You know. You know that scoring system for me is

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Speaker 3: seven three two one, and that means you've got to

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Speaker 3: win that first quarter. So you know, I'm looking for

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Speaker 3: the win. We I don't know what the scoreboard was

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Speaker 3: last two week, but we lost that game eleven to

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Speaker 3: two on my so I'm looking for I'm looking for

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Speaker 3: great improvement this week.

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Speaker 2: No doubt we will follow along with Rick Ventury's numbers

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Speaker 2: and that scoring system. And that's gonna tell the true

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Speaker 2: story right there. That is the great Rick Ventury, and

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Speaker 2: that will do it, my friend. For this week's edition

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Speaker 2: of Inside Football, recapping preseason game number one, a preview

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Speaker 2: of the joint practice coming up, and also a quick

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Speaker 2: look ahead a Saturday's game against the Packers at Lucas

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Speaker 2: Oil Stadium and Ricketts, it's gonna be good to get

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Speaker 2: back home, first home game for the Colts since early January,

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Speaker 2: and it'll be great to have you back on the broadcast.

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Speaker 2: You'll be doing TV for the game and we can't

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Speaker 2: wait to see you and hear you back in your element,

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Speaker 2: my friend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta get off the couch there with Miss

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Speaker 3: Sherry during the game and get that get back in

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Speaker 3: and earn a paycheck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna put you to work, man, You're gonna

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Speaker 2: earn that dough coming up this weekend for sure. All right, Rick, Well,

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Speaker 2: thanks for the conversation as always, and we will talk

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Speaker 2: to you next week.

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Speaker 3: All right, good friend, look to it.

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Speaker 2: All right, As we said, gonna be good to be

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Speaker 2: back home. The only preseason home game this year for

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Speaker 2: the Colts before the regular season. Rick Venturrey is gonna

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Speaker 2: be on the TV called Joe Wrights will join me

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Speaker 2: on radio for this game, Saturday's game.

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Speaker 1: It starts at one.

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Speaker 2: You can watch locally in Indianapolis on Fox fifty nine.

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Speaker 1: Our radio coverage.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we'll start at ten AM with the

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Speaker 2: Colts pregame huddle. That'll start on ninety three five and

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Speaker 2: one oh seven five the fan. At noon we bring

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Speaker 2: a countdown, a kickoff on the fan also and ninety

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Speaker 2: seven to one Hank FM in Indianapolis and all over

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Speaker 2: the Colts Radio network, brought.

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Speaker 1: To you by Ascension Saint Vincent.

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Speaker 2: And then at one pm, Colts and Packers in preseason

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Speaker 2: game number two. And it goes without saying, we hope

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Speaker 2: you can watch, We hope you can listen coming up

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Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon. If not, We've got you covered. We've got

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Speaker 2: the full recap of everything you missed right here on

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Speaker 2: Colts dot Com and the Colts Podcast channel. I'm Matt

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Speaker 2: Taylor for Rick vent Tury, thanks for listening to this

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Speaker 2: edition of Insight Football and we'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: So along everybody,