1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always by my partner 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: our studios at lambeau Field and Wes. If there's a 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: theme to this show, this random off season mid May 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: episode of Packers Unscripted, it's going to be small world, 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: because what I want you to talk to. 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 3: Us about is my trip to Disney last month? What 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: my trip to Disney last month? 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: Actually, no, that was not where I was going. Although 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure Killian would love a discussion though, Oh, it's 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: a small world. 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 4: He would fill up all thirty minutes of this show 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 4: discuss I'm sorry, continue. 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: To know what I want. 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: What I want you to talk about is the story 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: that you posted on Packers dot com on Monday morning, 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: which was a really good and interesting and entertaining illustration 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: of the small world that is that is NFL coaching circles. 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: Because we found out from talking to assistant coaches last 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: week that Ryan Downard, the Packers defensive backs coach, and 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: Jeff Hafley, the new Packers defensive coordinator, they go back 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: like a decade. 25 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: YEA. 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: And well, I'll just let you take it from there, 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: because because I thought your story outlined the connections and 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: how and how long it is that that Downard has 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 2: looked up to a coach like Hafley and is really 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 2: looking forward now to working with him as essentially his boss, 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator over the position coaches. 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you go back and look, and I 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 4: wrote this in here, you know it was kind of 34 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 4: a stacked coaching staff that Mike Petton put together at 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns. I mean, they didn't win a lot 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 4: of football games that second year. The first year they 37 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: did pretty good. Yeah, but you know when you look 38 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 4: at the offensive the side of the ball, Kyle Shanahan. 39 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: Defensive side of the ball, you had Anthony Weaver, Aaron Glenn, 40 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 4: Bobby Bazich, babbitch excuse me, who's now the defensive coordinator 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 4: of the Buffalo Bills. And as Ryan explained, who's now 42 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 4: the defensive backs coach the Packers has been here for 43 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 4: the last five years. He was the fourth guy in 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: that dB room with Jeff Hafley being the one that 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: was leading those guys. And the one thing I think 46 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 4: is so interesting about the coaching world is the amount 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 4: of intersection that goes on. 48 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not just coaches the coaches. 49 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's a coach and then a player that played 50 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 4: for that coach and then they end up kind of 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 4: rising up the ranks. You know, a number of years 52 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 4: ago when you look at Mike Petten came off of 53 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 4: the Rex Ryan coaching tree. Well, then you look at 54 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: Jimmy Leonard also came off of that tree, sure, and 55 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 4: then was the safety for both of those guys and 56 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 4: then ended up becoming a coordinator at the college level. 57 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 4: So to listen to Halfley explain it was one thing, 58 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 4: and he talked a lot about those connections when he 59 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 4: first got the job. But both Downard and Anthony Campanelli, 60 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 4: the Packers linebackers coach, explaining their past history with him. 61 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: Downward from the perspective of just getting to learn from 62 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 4: him being in that dB room, going home and telling 63 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 4: his wife, Hey, this is what I got to do. 64 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 4: This is the kind of coach I need to be 65 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 4: if I want to be at the front of the room, 66 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 4: much like Halfley. And then you listen to Campinelli, Well, 67 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: him and Halfley never worked together, but it kind of 68 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: goes back to just building relationships, building friendships, and it 69 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: isn't always just about well, you're the editor at packers 70 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 4: dot com and I'm the senior writer, so we got 71 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 4: to be friends and you know that's our tree. No, 72 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: sometimes it's getting to know people from other media outlets, 73 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 4: and in Campanelli's case, not I don't know, I'm maybe 74 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 4: jumping ahead on the script here a little bit, but 75 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: you know, this is a guy that was a really successful, 76 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 4: really successful high school coach in the New Jersey area. Yeah, 77 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: Halfley's coaching over at Rutgers. He's going out, He's he's 78 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 4: leaving with that Chiano staff that's going from Rutgers to 79 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 4: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, right right, But before he does so, 80 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 4: he puts in a good word with the remaining staff 81 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: at Rutgers that's taken over that program for Campinelly. 82 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, check out that. 83 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: You might want to check out this this high school 84 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: coach here in the Jersey areas doing some really good things. 85 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, first off, how many guys would 86 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: actually do that? I mean, I mean amazing It says. 87 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: It says a lot about Jeff Haffley, because. 88 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 4: It's not like they're bringing him in to be coordinator. 89 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: It was like for a defensive assistant, basically quality control 90 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 4: type of. 91 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: Yes, but it also tells you as a high school 92 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: coach the type of impression that Campinelli made on Jeff Halfley, 93 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: that he that he would go so far to do 94 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: that when the Rutgers staff that you know, there's this 95 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: mass exodus of all these guys going from Rutgers to 96 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. As you said, it's like, oh, yeah, 97 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: by the way, there's there's this high school coach doing 98 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: some good things. You might want to check him out 99 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: and lo and behold. Roughly a decade later or wherever 100 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: we are now, maybe maybe it's longer than that. 101 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 3: Literally a decade it was for two Yeah. 102 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: A decade later. 103 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: Now you have you have Anthony Campinelli and and Jeff 104 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 2: Haffley coaching together. 105 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: The story no go ahead. 106 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 4: I was just gon the other funny thing I didn't 107 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 4: put in the story, but it's interesting. Campinelly coached at 108 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 4: Boston College too then, but he was there before Halfley 109 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: got there, right, and then when Halfley thought about maybe 110 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 4: being able to keep him, Campinelly was already going to Michigan. 111 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, two ships passing in the night like that, but 112 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: eventually exactly well the other I mean, the other thing 113 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: I was fascinated. I was fascinated by by a Downard story. Yeah, 114 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: because because here he's he's just you know, just breaking 115 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: into the NFL absolutely at you know, the the bottom 116 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: spot on the totem pole on a coaching staff. But 117 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: he ends up he ends up in a defensive backs room. 118 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 2: And this is just this is just essentially one position 119 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: group where I guess too, you know, cornerbacks and safeties 120 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: kind of all together, but essentially one one position group 121 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: room that has four guys in there who all eventually 122 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: become an are currently NFL defensive coordinators. When you're talking 123 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: about Halfley, Weaver, Babbage and Glenn I mean. 124 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. 125 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: I mean there there's obviously been a lot made of 126 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: that Washington coaching staff about a dozen years ago that 127 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,119 Speaker 2: had you know, Matt Lafleur and Sean McVay and Kyle 128 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: Shanahan and you know, and and and that whole Mike McDaniel. 129 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: Cleveland had Mike McDaniel too. 130 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: That's right. 131 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: He was, he was, he was on the offensive Washington ball. 132 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: He was on the offensive side of the ball by 133 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: that time. But there's been a lot made, obviously of 134 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: that Washington staff because of the head coaches that have 135 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: been produced. 136 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Well here's here's. 137 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: Just one one position room. Guys who you know coaching 138 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: cornerbacks and safeties of the Cleveland Browns when Mike Petton 139 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: takes over, and four of the coaches in that room 140 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: become NFL defensive coordinators. And Ryan Downard is a guy 141 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: who certainly. 142 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: Could be on his way as well. 143 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 2: He's uh, he's worked his way up over the last 144 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: ten years, and it can take a while. It takes, 145 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: it takes a lot of pays, it takes a lot 146 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: of hard work and dedication and the willingness to move 147 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: around and jump around to different cities and different clubs 148 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: when the opportunities arise. But he's another guy who certainly 149 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: could become a defensive coordinator. 150 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes. 151 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: I was kind of floored by that story because you 152 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: know about you know about how there are a lot 153 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: of connections and everything is about relationships and word of 154 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: mouth and stuff. But then when certain stories actually crystallize 155 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: to where you see where a certain group of guys 156 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: was at one particular time, and then where they've all 157 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: advanced to now it's absolutely fascinating. 158 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: And that was one of the things. 159 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 4: I only had so much room to write for our 160 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 4: little subhead that we put with the story, so I 161 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: went with you know, the construction of Jeff Hafley staff 162 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 4: has been a decade in the making. When I did 163 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 4: my little Instagram post for it, though, you have a 164 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 4: little bit more room to work with words wise, and 165 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 4: I thought, really the summation of the story was his 166 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 4: construction of his staff was a decade in the making 167 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 4: because it's been more about the people than the profession. Yeah, 168 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: and with finding guy and bringing in a Campinale being 169 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 4: able to bring him back. 170 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: Now that this guy has been widely successful, it was. 171 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: Praise unanimously for the job he did down in Miami 172 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: the last four years, working with multiple coordinators. Now he 173 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 4: makes that move up here and then looking at how 174 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 4: they did it Downard stayed, you know, Jason Rebovich stayed 175 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: Wendell Davis State. He brought over two assistants from Boston 176 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 4: College as well. He's been able to kind of mesh 177 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 4: all these different areas of his own life and his 178 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: own coaching career together now to hopefully figure out this plan, 179 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 4: and last thing I will leave on that story. What 180 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 4: I think speaks the best two halfway as a coach 181 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 4: is we talked so much, We've spilt so much ink 182 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 4: over the four to three and that's what Green Bay 183 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 4: is going to run this year. But this system of 184 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: offense or excuse me, defense that they use, it works 185 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: in a four to three, it works in a three 186 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 4: to four. All those guys have different philosophies and how 187 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 4: they want to run things, but you know it shows 188 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: you when you have a certain aggressive mindset the way 189 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 4: you play your coverages. Yes, the four to three three 190 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 4: four is something that I think the layman can easily 191 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 4: talk about, discuss and debate, but realistically, it's how you 192 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 4: use those principles in the defense that you put together. 193 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: That's the sense I get. The more the more we 194 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: have heard from Jeff Haffley and now the assistance on 195 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: the defensive staff and hearing them talk about what they 196 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 2: are relaying to the players in terms of in terms 197 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: of teaching the system and teaching what they're going to 198 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: play and how they're going to play it. This is 199 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: the first time because because to me, this feels, this 200 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: feels completely different from back in two thousand and nine, 201 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: fifteen years ago when when Mike McCarthy hired Dom Capers 202 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: and the Packers were making this wholesale shift from the 203 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: four to three to the three four Because to me, 204 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: what this one feels like is the is the schematics 205 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: the three four to four to three and how the 206 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: fronts are gonna align, et cetera, and the x's and 207 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: o's part of it is entirely secondary or on the 208 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: back burner in a sense compared to the style of play. 209 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: It's it's going to be about the play style of 210 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: the guys on the field, wherever they're lined up. That's 211 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: really what the bigger emphasis is. It's not so much 212 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: being so concerned about switching from like three four to 213 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: four to three. This is a this is a play 214 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: style defense and as you said, you can play this 215 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 2: way in any kind of scheme. They're just choosing this 216 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: particular format is how they're gonna do it and how 217 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: they're going to utilize the players. But this is not 218 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: as big a dramatic schematic shift as we saw fifteen 219 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: years ago under McCarthy. 220 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 4: And that's why you heard when Jason Ribovich was talking 221 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 4: to the media, he mentioned San Francisco, he mentioned the 222 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: New York Jets, he mentioned Houston and Demico. Ryan's what 223 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: they're doing there. It's that mentality of the way you 224 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 4: play defense, and at the end of the day, you 225 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 4: have to be good at something. You know, you often 226 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 4: use that phrase, it's when you are defense, you have 227 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 4: to find something that you can hang your hat on 228 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 4: because there's going to be holes. Is an offensive driven league. 229 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur says that all the time he feels as 230 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: an offensive coach that you can poke holes in any 231 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: defensive scheme. Whatever x's and o's somebody wants to lay 232 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: out there, you can poke holes in it. And so 233 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: for Matt Lafleur, what he's what he wants to do, 234 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: The change that he wants to make defensively is the 235 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: style of play. So what are you going to emphasize. 236 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: And we heard from Jason Rebovich, we heard from the others, 237 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: We've heard from Halfley. 238 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: This is about it. 239 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: It's about vision to the ball, It's about trying to 240 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: take away the ball. It's about trying to get the 241 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: TFLs and the sacks, making plays in the backfield. If 242 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: that's what you're going to emphasize, then that's what you 243 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: have to get because then if you get, if you 244 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: are getting what you emphasize, then you can find a 245 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: way to win football games that way. And one of 246 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: the things I personally think was the biggest downfall of 247 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: the Joe Barry tenure. It's not that it's it's not 248 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: that it's wrong to play a defense that's designed to 249 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: limit big plays. A lot of defenses play that way. 250 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: The problem is if you don't get what you emphasize. 251 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: If you're playing a style that's just igned to limit 252 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: big plays, but yet you are always ranking in the 253 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: bottom third of the league in terms of big plays allowed, 254 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: that doesn't work because you're not getting what you emphasize. 255 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: So then you're you're kind of lost defensively because you 256 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: don't have that thing to hang your hat on. The 257 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: Packers are going to try to hang their hat on 258 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 2: something else with this style of defense and with the 259 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: way they're going to go about it, and it's up 260 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: to half Lee in those assistants to get that play 261 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: style implemented with the players. 262 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the trends of the league, Mike, we see 263 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: it all the time. I mean, because it wasn't just 264 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 4: a Joe Barry issue. You know, Brandon Staley was going 265 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 4: through it too with the Los Angeles Chargers. That style 266 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 4: of defense, the Bronco type fronts that got very popular 267 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 4: for a time and getting a little bit lighter in 268 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 4: boxes and having five man fronts and that it kind 269 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 4: of This past year was a very you look at 270 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 4: the statistics and where teams ranked in that area that 271 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 4: you know deployed those fronts. I think Vic Fangio did 272 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 4: it the best that I of anybody, but even then 273 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 4: there was a switch after the seasons with him. So 274 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: I just feel like moving forward now listening to what 275 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 4: Jeff Hafley talked about, he wants guys to be confident. 276 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 4: He wants guys to know what they're doing out there. 277 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 4: And that's where Xavier McKinney comes in. That's where having 278 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 4: JayR Alexander here for the offseason program is a really 279 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 4: big thing for this defense in being able now to 280 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 4: find this vision for twenty twenty four and hopefully beyond. 281 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk a little bit more about 282 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: those defensive backs you just mentioned in a minute, but 283 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: first I'll take care of sponsor because it's a serious 284 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: XM NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to 285 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: the minute and NFL news that true football fanatics need. 286 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: Twenty four to seven, three sixty five and a cousin subs. 287 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: We have something for everyone like our Wisconsin Cheese Kurts, 288 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: mac and cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired 289 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: with your favorite sub or sub and a bowl cousin subs. 290 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: Fifty plus years of better. All right, you mentioned jay R, Alexander, 291 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: Corey Ballentin, Xavier McKinney. This is part two of the 292 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: Small World Teams. Yeah, okay, and you know where this 293 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: is going. 294 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 3: I know exactly where this is going. 295 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: Packer's new passing game coordinator on the defensive side, Derek 296 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: ains Lee. When we heard from him, we found out 297 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: that his connections with some of these defensive backs, So 298 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: he's going to be coaching. Yeah, maybe all go back 299 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: to a lot of them. Go back to his recruiting 300 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: days in the SEC. He he recruited Xavier McKinney to Alabama. 301 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: He tried to recruit Jay R, Alexander to Kentucky, lost 302 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: out on him to Louisville. He recruited at one point, 303 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: was involved in Eric Stokes recruiting, was involved in Corey 304 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: Ballentine's recruiting. It's it's again, it's kind of fascinating how 305 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: this small world stuff and things kind of come full circle. 306 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: But the back when when you actually look at the 307 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: details of the background, it makes sense. Derek Ainsley was 308 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: a defensive essentially a defensive backs coach in some form 309 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: or other, different titles, whatever, but for three different SEC 310 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: programs Alabama, Kentucky and Tennessee over the course of about 311 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: a decade's time, give or takes some breaks in there. 312 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: So when you're coaching defensive backs in the SEC for 313 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: about a decade at a bunch of different schools within 314 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: that conference, as he said, you're going to cross paths 315 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: with a lot of the best defensive backs coming out 316 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: of high school because you're getting you're trying to get 317 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: those guys to come to your program and to play 318 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: in the SEC. So you know, So he's known Xavier 319 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: McKinney since he was seventeen years old. He's known Jay 320 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: R Alexander since he was about seventeen eighteen years old. 321 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: So there's it's it's interesting and we'll I'm sure when 322 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: we get a chance to talk to the players during 323 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: open locker room during OTAs and whatnot. We'll get to 324 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: we'll get to ask a little bit more about just 325 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: maybe what they remember about some of those interactions during 326 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: their teenage years with this guy who's now up in 327 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: front of them, you know, in the in the defensive 328 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: meeting room and all that. But again, my point is 329 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: another sample of the small world that is sort of 330 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: NFL circles and uh and how uh and how Paz 331 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: can sometimes not cross but then ultimately cross and end 332 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: up in the same place. 333 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: You could write me a blank check, Mike. I would 334 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: never want to be a recruiter, a position coach in 335 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 4: the SEC not built for it. I wouldn't a single 336 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 4: night because as fertile as that, you know, recruiting ground 337 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 4: is for NFL programs, Man, I just there's a reason 338 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 4: why Derek said that it was because they were chasing 339 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 4: some of the best players in the country. 340 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 341 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I actually the one I thought actually was 342 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: most interesting to me was Jay Air because I don't 343 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 4: We've talked about it over time, but I think sometimes 344 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 4: people forget about this. Gyro was really lightly recruited. Uh, 345 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 4: South Carolina I think was in on him. But I 346 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 4: think I remember Kentucky. I remember him talking about Kentucky, 347 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: but then ultimately, you know, Louisville was the one that 348 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 4: he ended. 349 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: Up settling on. 350 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was a kid that got completely overlooked 351 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 4: out of Charlotte for some reason I've still never quite 352 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 4: figured out. Still would love to write that story at 353 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 4: some point. But that being said, for Ainsley, now it 354 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: shows you in NFL circles again, not only the small 355 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 4: world of it, but just how all these guys run 356 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 4: on a very similar track. And you know, I think 357 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 4: back to even the draft night when Michael Prewett. I 358 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 4: was doing the conference call with Michael Prewett and he 359 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 4: was talking about his relationship with. 360 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: Sean Sorry, Michael Pratt. 361 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 4: Michael Pratt, not Jeremy Prewett from Alabama who took Dereck 362 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 4: Ainsley to Tennessee. 363 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 3: That's why he's on the back of my. 364 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: Head, is where we all. 365 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 2: We all get confused the more we try to talk Mike. 366 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: I just wanted to correct. 367 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I appreciate that I have Jeremy Pruitt's bio 368 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 4: up right now, but two a days, great show in 369 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: the night in the two thousands. But the point I 370 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 4: was going to make there was just Michael Pratt. He 371 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 4: ended up meeting Sean Clifford at a Manning camp, just 372 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 4: a Manning quarterback camp. That's how they've been on a 373 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: text chain ever since, have built a friendship. They knew 374 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 4: each other well before he ever got drafted to Green Bay. 375 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 4: In these worlds, much like if you're in you know, 376 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 4: doing AAU basketball or any of this stuff, people tend 377 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 4: to know each other. The exciting thing for Ainsley and 378 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 4: when I think it is going to be most interesting 379 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 4: for this secondary is he brings back that Jerry Gray element. 380 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 4: A guy that's been a defensive coordinator in the league, 381 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 4: a guy that has had a lot of success as 382 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 4: a defensive back and a defensive backs coach throughout the 383 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 4: course of his career, and now getting a chance to 384 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 4: work with JayR and Xavier McKinney, trying to bring all 385 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 4: these components together because so for so long, Mike, we 386 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 4: have talked about how talented these dbs are and how 387 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 4: much resources the Packers have invested in that position. Ainsley 388 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 4: is now tasked with trying to get it back up 389 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 4: to that level again after a very difficult our US 390 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 4: season last year, a lot of which was brought on 391 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 4: by injuries, but trying to still find that synergy they 392 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 4: were looking for. Because Mike, a year ago when you 393 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: and I were doing these talks and we knew JayR 394 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 4: wasn't at the volunteer stuff, but we still were like, Okay, 395 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 4: well jyr Alexander, Eric Stokes, you know is coming back, 396 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 4: Keishawn Nixon, Rasul Douglas. He had all these names. I 397 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 4: remember thinking like, where is Carenton Valentine going to fit 398 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 4: into all this? 399 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: Right? 400 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 3: And then lo and behold, that's what ends up happening. 401 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 4: So interesting listen to to Ainsley and and also gave 402 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 4: us the best quote. Maybe someone else is taking credit 403 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 4: for it, maybe it's I've just never heard of it, 404 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: but him talking about the red line being a perimeter 405 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 4: cornerback in the National Football League. 406 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't use he didn't 407 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: directly use the words about a boundary corner being out 408 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: on an island. Yeah, but he I'll let you say it. 409 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: He had a great he had a great line. 410 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 4: There's no Wi Fi service out there, there's there there's 411 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 4: no help coming your way. You know, you're living out 412 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: there and having to to react and just be your 413 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: own man. So I just felt like the Packers right 414 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 4: now with where this thing is headed again getting back 415 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 4: to the original introduction of our entire show today. But 416 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 4: they just have so many different coaches, so many different philosophies, 417 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 4: and a lot of which have connections. And by the way, Mike, 418 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 4: if you want a connection for Derek Ainsley to the staff, 419 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 4: he worked with rich Passacia with the Oakland Raiders. So 420 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 4: there is your other connection to Ainsley. 421 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: There you go. 422 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: And that's how and and that's that's how, you know, 423 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: the references happened. You know somebody, you know, somebody is 424 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: interested in the job, you talk to him. You try 425 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: to talk to other people in the coaching business that 426 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: know him, that have worked with him before. You know. 427 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: That's uh, that's how, that's how all this works, especially 428 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: when you know a guy like a guy like Halfley 429 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: is coming in and needing to needing to build a 430 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: defensive staff. And as you said, he brought a couple 431 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: of guys with him from Boston College. But it wasn't 432 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: quite the same thing like Shiano. Did you know when 433 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: Shiano went to Tampa Bay from Rutgers and he was 434 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: and he was the head coach there and uh, you know, 435 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: and sort of took everybody with him. You know, Halflee didn't. 436 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 2: That wasn't really an option for Halfley. So he's you know, 437 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: he's pieced it together, he's built this staff, and I 438 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: guess the one thing I would. 439 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: Say is that there's a lot of there's a lot of. 440 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: Genuine excitement amongst these coaches as to there's there's energy 441 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 2: and excitement as to as to what they're teaching, what 442 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: they're showing the players they have to work with. As 443 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: I said, we'll start talking to the players over the 444 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 2: next couple of weeks when the locker room opens up 445 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: during OTAs a lot of you know, a lot of 446 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: fun and interesting stuff, and of course, none of it 447 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: matters until the games actually start and we see what 448 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: the results look like in September, October and beyond. But 449 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: there's definitely a lot of energy and excitement within this 450 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 2: coaching staff, which I think they are trying to pass 451 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: along to the players. 452 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 4: You know, and you know, the battle is ultimately gonna 453 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 4: happen in September, but man, you have to have that swagger. 454 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: And I just feel like whether it was Halfley's first 455 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 4: press conference back in February, or even just listen to 456 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 4: Anthony Campanelli talk about his family's history and you know, 457 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 4: and his dad as an Italian American loving Vince Lombardi. 458 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 4: You know, just just those type of things I feel 459 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 4: like make coaches relatable, Yeah, fine to us, find to players, 460 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 4: but find it fans, but mostly to players. Yeah, And 461 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 4: I think that's where this this whole group has sort 462 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 4: of checked the biggest box. And again you have to 463 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 4: ultimately do it out on the grass and we'll see 464 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: how OTA's and mini camps go. But Mike, you and 465 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 4: I talked about on the last show, there's such an 466 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 4: incredible opportunity in front of this football team right now. 467 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: And when you have a guy like Jeff Haffley who 468 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 4: steps down from that head seat at Boston College to 469 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 4: take over this defense and has a clear vision for 470 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 4: what he wants to achieve with it, I think you 471 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: can't help but get excited. 472 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: I love that part of Campinelli's story too, where he's 473 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: an Italian American coach in high school football in Jersey, 474 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: just down the road, so to speak, from Saint Cecilia's 475 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: where Vince Lombardi coached, and now Anthony Campinelli's at twelve 476 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: sixty five, Lombardi he's coaching coaching with the Green Bay Pack. 477 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 4: And like he even said, he was, like, I'd be 478 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 4: nuts not to be over the moon about this. I mean, 479 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 4: it just in a football family. His brothers coached, his 480 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 4: dad coached. I mean, and by the way, you don't 481 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 4: have to be an NFL coach to be a highly 482 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 4: successful high school, college. 483 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 3: Little league coach. 484 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 4: I mean, if it's in your blood, it's in your blood. 485 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 4: And certainly Campinelli being able to have that door open 486 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 4: to him a lot of times, that's all it takes. 487 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 4: And he certainly gives Halfley a lot of credit for that. 488 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. 489 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: One other thing we'll touch on very quickly before we 490 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: go today. It is official. We have been given word 491 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: the NFL has announced that it is going to announce 492 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: the schedule on Wednesday this week. So we will have 493 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 2: the schedule on Wednesday the fifteenth, which means on our 494 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: next show later this week, we will talk about the schedule, 495 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: will dissect it, turn it upside down, you know, do 496 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 2: some origami with the paper. I don't know, but we'll 497 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 2: we'll have every which way to take a look at 498 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: this thing. At the time we're taping this. The one 499 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: thing that we have found out is the league has 500 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: announced that Thursday night kickoff game. Kind of a no brainer, 501 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: it had, you know that. You know, you have the 502 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: Ravens going to Arrowhead a rematch of the AFC Championship 503 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 2: which was played in Baltimore last January. Now this rematch, 504 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: which obviously the Chiefs won, will be will be at Arrowhead, 505 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 2: And I guess I would say the the Chiefs, the 506 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: Chiefs are not gonna want to lose that kickoff game 507 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: two years yeah, on that Thursday night because they lost 508 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 2: it to the Lions. You know, kind of a big 509 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 2: deflating thing for your for your home crowd. But of course, 510 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: you know, it ended up not mattering. The Chiefs still 511 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: won the whole thing by the end when it was 512 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 2: all said and done. But kind of a no brainer 513 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 2: that that it's the Ravens that Arrowhead to open the 514 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: NFL season, the AFC Championship rematch. Mahomes and Jackson and 515 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: all that. 516 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can say that about Kansas City, You're 517 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: one hundred percent right about that. But my goodness, I mean, 518 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 4: that's a big moment too for Lamar Jackson because again 519 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 4: and he can't do anything about the playoffs right now, 520 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 4: he can't do anything about what happened at the end 521 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: of last season. But you know, starting with a big 522 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 4: statement I think is gonna be huge for that Baltimore team, 523 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 4: which by the way, got absolutely gutted when it came 524 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 4: to the coaching staff changes. I mean when it was 525 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 4: like everybody in the National Football League if they needed 526 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 4: a defensive coach or whatever, they just. 527 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 3: They just took everybody. 528 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 4: So seeing how they adjust to that, obviously that's a 529 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 4: credit to John Harbaugh, the organization put they've put together, 530 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 4: but there have been a lot of changes there this offseason. 531 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 4: So seeing how they respond to that and see how 532 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 4: Jackson plays is gonna be big. 533 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, Mike. 534 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 4: I always dread scheduled day, schedule release day, but I 535 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 4: actually probably like it better than the drafts because there's 536 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 4: actually I think you can actually. 537 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: Draw more conclusions from with. 538 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 4: Than you can the draft when everybody tries to jump 539 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 4: out and you know make proclamations, which, by the way, 540 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 4: if you haven't read Cliff's story from last Thursday on 541 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 4: oh yeah, the Draft, Cliff Cliff still everyone he keeps receipts. 542 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 3: He keeps every single receipt. 543 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 4: Just know that. 544 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: So many times we always. 545 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: And if he didn't keep the receipt, he'll find it. 546 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 4: So many times we're always like, hey, yeah, you know 547 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 4: those draft grades. We I wonder what the draft grade 548 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 4: was last year that so and so gave him. No, 549 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: Cliff has it. Cliff's got it, and he's gonna write 550 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 4: about Actually that was a really good column by him. 551 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 4: But uh, swinging it back forward to the schedule release. 552 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 4: So that is the exciting thing because we'll we'll figure 553 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 4: out a lot of the you know, the vision for 554 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 4: how the season is going to lay out, and it 555 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 4: goes beyond the buys, it goes beyond even just how 556 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 4: it can be something as small as the gold package games, 557 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 4: right like things like that stuff. 558 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, figure the first two things. The first two things, 559 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: or I should say three things probably that I look 560 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 2: at that I look at when I see the schedule. 561 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: One is where's the bye week? Where's the bye week placed? 562 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: Two? 563 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 2: Where in the schedule are the division games? And then 564 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: and then what is that Week eighteen division game? 565 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: Is at home? Is it away? 566 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: Who's it against? Because then you also know what the 567 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: other NFC North matchup is you know, because if the 568 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 2: Packers are playing the Lions in week eighteen, then you 569 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: know the Vikings are playing the Bears. Those are the 570 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: Those are the three things that I that I that 571 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 2: that I gravitate toward figure out as soon as I 572 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 2: get my first glance at it. 573 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 4: We're one hundred percent getting the full slate of primetime games, 574 00:26:59,600 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 4: aren't we. 575 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: You meet you like the maximum or what? Yeah? 576 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And then there's always and 577 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: then there's always a chance that even even when you're 578 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 2: scheduled for the maximum, that at some point during the 579 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,239 Speaker 2: year you get flexed into another one. Yeah, and but 580 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 2: yeah with uh And that's the thing is what do 581 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: they as far as the maximum scheduled primetime games on 582 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: the initial schedule, does the does the Brazil game on 583 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: that Friday night? Does that actually count? Or because that's 584 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: an international game, does that sort of not count? And 585 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: so the Packers might end up even with I don't know, 586 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: there was just like there's. 587 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 4: An example of that already, and then I was like, no, 588 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 4: that doesn't actually count. Was it the maybe it was? Oh, 589 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 4: maybe it was because of the Thanksgiving game? If that 590 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 4: counts as your Thursday night game or whatever. But yeah, yeah, 591 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it's gonna be really interesting. Fans 592 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 4: are excited about it. I know it's gonna be a 593 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 4: rip roaring time. People are gonna be asking questions throughout it, 594 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 4: but kind of figuring out again. You're not gonna be 595 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 4: able to predict how these teams are gonna play, and 596 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 4: everyone's gonna be like, oh, is it a good schedule 597 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 4: bad schedule? Like you said, it comes down to the buys, 598 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 4: It comes down to those division games. We'll be really 599 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 4: interested to see what works out with those Lions games. 600 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 4: Though I was saying week two, you were saying week eighteen. 601 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 4: In terms of what we'd prefer, I'm guessing it's one 602 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 4: or the other, maybe both. 603 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: But it could be both. 604 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 4: It was last year, right, well it was Week one 605 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 4: and Week eighteen with Chicago. 606 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, who knows? 607 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: Who knows? 608 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 4: Not this year we're going to Brazil, buddy. 609 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: We will have our hands on that schedule at some 610 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: point on Wednesday, getting all of our content ready on 611 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: packers dot com, and we will also shoot an unscripted 612 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 2: episode to talk about the schedule and in all sorts 613 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: of different forms and fashions, but for now we will 614 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: call it a rap. On this edition of Packers Unscripted. 615 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the team, 616 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: the draft pick follow up stories. As I said, the 617 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: schedule released this week, we will have all kinds of stuff, written, stuff, 618 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: video stuff with regard to that coming up later this 619 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: week as well. For Wes, I am Mike. Thank you 620 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: for tuning in. 621 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: Everybody, We will see you next time.