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Speaker 1: All right. Joining us now on the ben In Skin

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Speaker 1: Show is the coo of your Dallas Cowboys, the Mighty

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Speaker 1: Steven Jones. How are we doing today, Stephen, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm totally but surely getting focused on next year and

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Speaker 1: getting over you know, a big disappoint and I know

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Speaker 1: it was for our fans and obviously for our team

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Speaker 1: and our coaches and our organization. But you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot to be positive about. But you know, as

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Speaker 1: we said all year, we've got to build on each game.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think we're gonna keep that thing my

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Speaker 1: backs against the wall. We've got to improve on this

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Speaker 1: season and take the next step. Can't go backwards here

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Speaker 1: like we've done in the past where we have a

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Speaker 1: playoff year and then don't make the playoffs. We've got

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Speaker 1: take the next step, and that's gonna be our battle crime.

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Speaker 1: We woke through improving this football team and making things

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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, Steven, that's kind of where I want

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Speaker 1: to go today. Is obviously, you know you're on the

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Speaker 1: station Monday, and there's always questions. The first day is like, well,

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Speaker 1: who are you changing and who you're firing? And who

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Speaker 1: are you keeping it all this stuff? But what I

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Speaker 1: am curious about is what y'all's evaluation process is like,

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Speaker 1: not only for the staff but the players. Has that

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Speaker 1: already begun? Is it happening now? What does that process

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Speaker 1: like for you guys? Well, we had a quick uh

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Speaker 1: in terms of, uh, you know, how they felt their

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Speaker 1: future was with those players. So anyway, it was quick.

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Speaker 1: We'll obviously really roll up our sleeves and go back

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Speaker 1: and watch all the take and they're in depth review

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Speaker 1: of the entire team in the entire season, and U

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Speaker 1: go from there. Obviously we're talking to Jason about his

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Speaker 1: staff and uh won't be commented on that at all,

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Speaker 1: but certainly taking a look at that and where we

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Speaker 1: a plan for the off season. You know, we don't

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Speaker 1: a lot of our own young players to sign and

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Speaker 1: at look at it the same way. I don't see

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Speaker 1: us un spending you know, big numbers and free agency

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Speaker 1: other than on our own own players. See when there

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Speaker 1: was an article in The Ringer that came out over

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Speaker 1: many times Zekiel Elliott ran into a box that had

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Speaker 1: And against the Rams it was forty percent of his

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Speaker 1: Anderson only seventeen percent of the time. So fans are curious,

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Speaker 1: why do the Cowboys continually run Zeke into a box

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Speaker 1: and we know we have to improve. No one satisfied

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Speaker 1: Talking Stephen Jone Turnings have been in skin show kind

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Speaker 1: and the league feels like it's a passing league. Do

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Speaker 1: you feel like you guys can improve enough internally with

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Speaker 1: I think we can improve. I think we'd be better schematically.

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Speaker 1: I think Dad's only going to get better. He's had

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Speaker 1: games where we've seen what has been very prolific throwing

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Speaker 1: at all. Here is complete scheming, divine, all right. I

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Speaker 1: And there's this idea out there. But hey, the status

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Speaker 1: that perception. I mean, that's almost laughable, you know, Jerry

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Speaker 1: I think you've got I'm right here saying give up

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, far from being content in terms of

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Speaker 1: some type of decisions to make every year in terms

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Speaker 1: he is, No one is content around that. He challenges

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Speaker 1: our group, whether it's myself, whether the scouting department, of

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Speaker 1: I said, that's laughable. To Stephen Jones joining us on

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Speaker 1: him back. I think he's a leader on this football team.

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Speaker 1: I think over the course of the season, and then

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