WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Doug E. Fresh Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. What's Up?

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<v Speaker 2>This is unpaid bill from Quest Love Supreme. On Today's

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<v Speaker 2>Classic QLs. We travel back to January of twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two for our conversation with the legend Dougie Fresh. This

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<v Speaker 2>is part one.

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<v Speaker 1>Shall we started?

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<v Speaker 3>We can't do call Dog such a roll call episode?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yelling out?

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<v Speaker 1>I will think of a solution so we can get

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<v Speaker 1>back to role call audio.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you work on I actually thought.

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<v Speaker 6>Of one today, Like we can just we can just

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<v Speaker 6>do our own, our own verse ours. We can say

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<v Speaker 6>that yeah, and the supreme is ourselves.

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<v Speaker 7>But the whole thing is the reaction to you what

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<v Speaker 7>the other person says.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly and then and then our guest wants to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>They can kind of get an idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes well okay, I think I got a good idea.

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<v Speaker 6>We go back into a studio in person with people

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<v Speaker 6>and we do our role calls there.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I'm good on that.

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<v Speaker 6>Fante, you can always be even if we're live all

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<v Speaker 6>together in a studio with a.

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<v Speaker 4>Guest being yeah, we just passed you. I'm I'm with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we make Fonte like Max headrom though, like he's

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<v Speaker 2>just like on a TV.

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<v Speaker 1>You can just see his head. Can I start this please? Oh?

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<v Speaker 7>No, small talk, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, that was the

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<v Speaker 7>small talk. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to another episode of

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<v Speaker 7>Quest Love Supreme. I'm your host Quest Love and the

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<v Speaker 7>Supreme team is with me strong all five of you

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<v Speaker 7>or four of you? I still don't know the proper

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<v Speaker 7>number anyway. Uh unpaid bill, Congratulations, thanks friend. I think

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<v Speaker 7>you're Yeah, you're you're you're doing big things in your

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<v Speaker 7>life right now. What you got going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Grammys? Uh, movies? Uh, that's it. That's all you

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<v Speaker 1>can ask for life jobs. I'm good.

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, life is good, brother, good still dropping.

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<v Speaker 7>I kind of kind of at the point where you were, Well,

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<v Speaker 7>I kind of hit a plateau in Yeah. So I'm

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<v Speaker 7>down probably like thirty right now. I'm down probably like

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<v Speaker 7>thirty seven, you know what I mean. And so I've

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<v Speaker 7>been just switch it up a little bit, and I'm

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<v Speaker 7>gonna start going meatless.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe like one or two days a week, just to try,

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I see.

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<v Speaker 4>So, uh, we're we're switching it up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm about to let you know this what my

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<v Speaker 7>heck I got dandy lion, garlic, spinach, and cucumber. So

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<v Speaker 7>hopefully this will do the trick and get me off

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<v Speaker 7>that plateau.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just gonna eat some sweet potatoes.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm gonna think less. See that'll do it.

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<v Speaker 4>That'll do it. Yeah, that called will put it on you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good, still got the three jobs. Moving down to

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<v Speaker 3>where the black folks live in l A. Really excited.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you got a new apartment, talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Apartment right now?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, no, this is my mama house. But in LA,

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<v Speaker 8>I got me in a nice spot. So now my

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<v Speaker 8>parents got another bed sleeping. I ain't got to sleep

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<v Speaker 8>on the couch.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm down with a black folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do black people live in l A?

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<v Speaker 8>Just if they're lucky there? They live in South LA Inglewood,

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<v Speaker 8>you know I live. I got I'm letting the murder

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<v Speaker 8>by the drum Circle and whatnot, which is kind of like,

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<v Speaker 8>really dope. It's being highly gentrified right now because that's

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<v Speaker 8>where the stadium is and then putting in the train,

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<v Speaker 8>so LA is it really expansion gentrification on level three.

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<v Speaker 1>The football stadium?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I went there to see uh the last Rolling

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<v Speaker 7>Stones LA show. Yeah, I heard it, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 7>realize they dropped that joint like right in the middle

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<v Speaker 7>of the hood.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right in Inglewood.

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<v Speaker 7>The second you step off the pavement, you're definitely in Inglewood.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, it's not as long as that people can afford

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<v Speaker 8>to stay.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's yeah, right right right in the middle of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve, how are you? Yes, I'm good. How are you okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Where am I? How are you?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I know where you are. Okay. Let your many followers

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<v Speaker 1>know that you're good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, boss man, and congrats on the witch Call.

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<v Speaker 7>We forgot to congratulate the well the oscars and all that,

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<v Speaker 7>But then the short film you did shout Okay, you

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<v Speaker 7>didn't realize I directed a second film. Sometimes when when

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<v Speaker 7>when there's a little buzz on you and then people

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<v Speaker 7>start and you know, I got a call from a

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<v Speaker 7>team hove to uh settle Well. The thing was is

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<v Speaker 7>that I knew without something on that level, he would

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<v Speaker 7>not come to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 7>So I told the staff, let me direct something and

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<v Speaker 7>that will lure him to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Without that, he wouldn't have come. He would have just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, phoned in.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 7>This is probably the longest wow we never going to

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<v Speaker 7>four minutes without even acknowledging our guests right now, we haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>Talked in a while. We sorry, guests, we haven't talked.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been a minute, Okay.

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<v Speaker 7>So what I will quickly say about our guest today is,

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<v Speaker 7>if if I were compiling a list of the most

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<v Speaker 7>charismatic figures in hip hop or maybe in music, I

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<v Speaker 7>wouldn't hesitate to put this gentleman. This gentleman will probably

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm trying to keep the quest level hyperbole down

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<v Speaker 7>to a minimum, he's probably, if not in my top three,

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<v Speaker 7>maybe he is my number one most charismatic figure that

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<v Speaker 7>I know in hip hop. And the evidence of that

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<v Speaker 7>for me is, and I'm going beyond hip hop and

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<v Speaker 7>going to music, the evidence is in the in the

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<v Speaker 7>thirty five years that I've been fortunate enough to see

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<v Speaker 7>him perform. Throughout those decades, I've never not seen him

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<v Speaker 7>elevate any event.

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<v Speaker 1>To the highest level.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I've never seen him walk in any situation with

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<v Speaker 7>fear or trepidation. It's and to me, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a guy who wire overthinking, like, oh, I can't

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<v Speaker 7>go out there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Who I am.

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<v Speaker 7>Whatever, Like forget generational, forget genre. I've seen him rock

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<v Speaker 7>with you know, Prince Tom, Cruise, Heavy d Chuck Brown,

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<v Speaker 7>like every from every genre I've just he's the the

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<v Speaker 7>most charismatic and you know, stupid charismatic. Will Smith's charismatic.

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<v Speaker 7>I can name a gazillion Jay Z's charismatic. But you

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<v Speaker 7>know this, our gentleman, this, our guest today is.

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<v Speaker 4>The world's greatest entertainer.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, literally, lady ladies and gentlemen, our guest today is

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<v Speaker 7>officially known for the and not for the Please give

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<v Speaker 7>it up for Doug E.

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<v Speaker 1>Fresh on Quest Left Supreme.

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<v Speaker 9>Flowers.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me tell you it is an honor.

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<v Speaker 9>It is an honor, and I appreciate y'all giving me,

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<v Speaker 9>or rather having such a long delay on the introduction

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<v Speaker 9>because I felt because I felt like I got caught

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<v Speaker 9>up with all of y'all too, and I felt like

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<v Speaker 9>it was family conversation and I was able to hear

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<v Speaker 9>it close up in person, you know. So yeah, thank

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<v Speaker 9>you and thank you for having me on your show, Quest,

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<v Speaker 9>I appreciate it. With the Supreme Team and that name,

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<v Speaker 9>Supreme Team HP hip Hop, for y'all to use that

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<v Speaker 9>name is a very powerful thing. Because back on w

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<v Speaker 9>HBI it was the world famous Supreme.

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<v Speaker 5>Team show Keys, Holla and Justice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, I know you did.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what look.

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<v Speaker 9>You are the ultimate collector. So I know that when

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<v Speaker 9>I mentioned something like that, you would you either know

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<v Speaker 9>it or you would appreciate it, you know. So I

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<v Speaker 9>and I appreciate you, and I appreciate you having me

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<v Speaker 9>on your show.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you know what I.

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<v Speaker 7>Think, even though I'm going to start before that, I

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<v Speaker 7>do believe that you are indeed, and I think about

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<v Speaker 7>till today, you are indeed the first beat boxer the

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<v Speaker 7>world has seen, because I believe that your cameo and

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<v Speaker 7>Beat Street did predate the Fat Boys. So even though

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<v Speaker 7>you know, a lot of the world credits Buffy, rest

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<v Speaker 7>in peace to Buffy as the first beat boxer they

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<v Speaker 7>ever seen. If we really look at the timeline for

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<v Speaker 7>all this hip hop heads that saw Beat Street in

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<v Speaker 7>nineteen eighty three, the disco three Fat Boys didn't come

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<v Speaker 7>out until nineteen eighty four, So technically, and it's weird,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think at the time, and I remember the

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<v Speaker 7>Christmas rap from Beat Street. I think at the time

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<v Speaker 7>you might have been so effortless in doing what you

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<v Speaker 7>were doing. I don't think it even registered to us

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<v Speaker 7>that you were doing drums with your mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was a funny.

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<v Speaker 9>It was us trying to make people kind of laugh

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<v Speaker 9>and feel good. But it's deep that you picked that

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<v Speaker 9>up because I actually did the movie at the time,

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<v Speaker 9>because there was a scout who went up to Savoy

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<v Speaker 9>Matter and I was performing on that show with the

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<v Speaker 9>Crash Crew, Master Don and the Deaf Committee, and I

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<v Speaker 9>believe at that time. I don't think the foss MC's

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<v Speaker 9>was on that show at the time, but I performed

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<v Speaker 9>there and then she gave me a card. And when

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<v Speaker 9>she gave me a card that said Beach Street on it,

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<v Speaker 9>she said, do you want to be in a movie?

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<v Speaker 9>Because what you're doing would be unbelievable to see in

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<v Speaker 9>a movie. And I'm gonna tell you some information. So

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<v Speaker 9>I went there and he started to see what I do,

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<v Speaker 9>and he was like, I don't care what I gotta do.

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<v Speaker 5>I gotta get you in this movie.

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<v Speaker 9>Now. Originally run DMC was supposed to be in Beach Street.

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<v Speaker 9>What And That's what I'm telling you. I think you know,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm give you the yeah, I know, Well, y'all well,

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<v Speaker 9>y'all done, ran to the right y'all and ran in

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<v Speaker 9>the right store tonight because this and everything and by

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<v Speaker 9>the way and everything is free, just by the way,

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<v Speaker 9>just so you know, it's just free. So they're right.

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<v Speaker 9>So but this is how it went. I was supposed

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<v Speaker 9>to do beat when I was doing Beach Street. Harry

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<v Speaker 9>Belafonte wanted me to do something where this thing with

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<v Speaker 9>the beat box could be showcased. So what happened is

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<v Speaker 9>Run DMC and Russell came up there and they were

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<v Speaker 9>going to be in Beach Street, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 9>Russell felt good about them just doing a little segment

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<v Speaker 9>in it. He wanted them to do more. And then

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<v Speaker 9>we and then it was me Run in the elevator

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<v Speaker 9>and d M s see and in the room. So

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<v Speaker 9>they started doing one of their records, the rhyms to

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<v Speaker 9>the second album that came out, the beat that sound

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<v Speaker 9>a little bit like suck MC's.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know the exact song, but they was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>The King of Rocket album.

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<v Speaker 5>The next album, right, yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, the last song inside too.

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<v Speaker 5>It got done. Yeah, I got like a little it

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<v Speaker 5>got a little kind of thing to it.

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<v Speaker 9>So I'm in the elevator and we started doing it

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<v Speaker 9>and he said, and he looked at Russell and he said, Yo,

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<v Speaker 9>this will be crazy. We should get Dug to do

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<v Speaker 9>the beatbox on this, and we could do this whole

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<v Speaker 9>thing in the movie with And then we started coming

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<v Speaker 9>up with the idea to do it, and then and

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<v Speaker 9>then Harry was excited about it. But then Russell pulled out.

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<v Speaker 9>And after he pulled out, then he brought in Treacherous three.

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<v Speaker 9>And when he brought in Treacher's Three, Treacher's three knew

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<v Speaker 9>me as a kid because they knew me from going

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<v Speaker 9>into Bobby Robinson's record shop or all the time. So

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<v Speaker 9>when they seen me, they said, hey, you know, Harry said,

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<v Speaker 9>mister Bellafonte said, you know, is it any way that

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<v Speaker 9>you can have Dougie do this with you? Because I

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<v Speaker 9>think this routine is unbelievable. So if you listen to

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<v Speaker 9>the rhyme, they mentioned me multiple times and the rhyme,

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<v Speaker 9>he said, you know, you know that kid Dougie fresh

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<v Speaker 9>from down the block, because I.

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<v Speaker 5>Really lived down the block, you know, so when.

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<v Speaker 1>You were their labelmates too, because the right.

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<v Speaker 9>Right, I was yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, just having

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<v Speaker 9>fun came out on on enjoy. But what happened is

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<v Speaker 9>that that was after you know, Treacher's three was already established.

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<v Speaker 5>But I let out just having fun and.

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<v Speaker 9>I did the movie because at the time, I felt

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<v Speaker 9>like I needed to let people who understand the beat

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<v Speaker 9>Box and I needed to do something. And I started

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<v Speaker 9>to see a lot of people trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>kind of kind of go there with it. In the

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<v Speaker 9>time we grew up in hip hop, it was about

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<v Speaker 9>being as original as possible, so if you did something,

0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.560
<v Speaker 9>it would be considered biting. But see, biting was only

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<v Speaker 9>considered bad because the only way to make hip hop

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<v Speaker 9>survive and to be pure creatively, it was necessary for

0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.440
<v Speaker 9>you to feel that kind of pressure.

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<v Speaker 5>So somebody say you're a bito.

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<v Speaker 9>That was kind of like the worst thing that you

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<v Speaker 9>can ever be called in your life, you know what

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<v Speaker 9>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, okay, and the be Box was made up in

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<v Speaker 9>eighty I introduced it in eighty two, but I made

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<v Speaker 9>it up in eighty one. See, because I started in

0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:52.440
<v Speaker 9>eighty one at Harlem World. That's where I started. And

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<v Speaker 9>when I made it, I made it because I used

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<v Speaker 9>to play the trumpet, and when I played the trumpet,

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<v Speaker 9>I used to there was a teacher in my class

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<v Speaker 9>named brother Lee.

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<v Speaker 5>Brother Lee was I went to as two A one.

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<v Speaker 9>And Brother Lee really quick. Brother Lee was in there

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<v Speaker 9>and he said, what do you want to play? And

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<v Speaker 9>I pointed to the percussions and the drums. He said, well,

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<v Speaker 9>you can't play that jet. You got to play the trumpet.

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<v Speaker 9>I said, well, why you asked me, Brother Lee, I

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<v Speaker 9>mean baby, and he said he said, I understand, he said,

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<v Speaker 9>but I want you to play the trumpet.

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<v Speaker 5>So I took the trumpet home every day.

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<v Speaker 9>And when I took the trumpet home, I would practice it,

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<v Speaker 9>take the mouthpiece, boil it, do the whole thing, do

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<v Speaker 9>all of the exercises. And then one day when I

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<v Speaker 9>came back to school, Brother Lee was gone because they

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<v Speaker 9>cut all the music programs in school. So I gave

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<v Speaker 9>them the trumpet back. And I was still walking home.

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<v Speaker 9>And when I was walking home, I would pass by

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<v Speaker 9>the mom and pop record shops. So at that time

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<v Speaker 9>Grandma asked a flash hat out. It was a Friday night.

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<v Speaker 9>Everybody was freaking the highs right and I would always

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<v Speaker 9>say it, right there you go, and I would always

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<v Speaker 9>hear the baseline, and when I would hear the baseline.

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<v Speaker 9>Then all of a sudden, I hear all of these

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<v Speaker 9>other things. So I would walk back and forth and

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<v Speaker 9>I would just kind of try to keep adding.

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<v Speaker 5>More and more and more.

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<v Speaker 9>Ideas to the beat, to the point that I had

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<v Speaker 9>maybe seven eight nine things going on at the same time.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not thinking.

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<v Speaker 9>And I'm going crazy now, but I'm not thinking about it, right,

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<v Speaker 9>let me tell you this true story. I'm not thinking

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<v Speaker 9>about it. So then I go to Barry's house where

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<v Speaker 9>we used to practice, because me and Will Barry b

0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.240
<v Speaker 9>that's right, we go over there and practice because that

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<v Speaker 9>was the practice house.

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<v Speaker 5>Long story short.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm in there doing the beatbox and I'm doing I

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<v Speaker 9>think I was doing in peace to President because it's

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<v Speaker 9>like right, and I'm going to piece the President.

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<v Speaker 5>And then all of a.

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<v Speaker 9>Sudden his mother comes in the room and say, that

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<v Speaker 9>was a nice beat. I liked that beat that was playing.

0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.880
<v Speaker 9>And he said, Ma, that wasn't the record. That was him,

0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.120
<v Speaker 9>And now he said that was him, and then she said, well,

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<v Speaker 9>whatever it was, it was a nice beat. And then

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<v Speaker 9>he turned around and looked at me and said, yo,

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<v Speaker 9>you know what, you should do that in the Big

0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.240
<v Speaker 9>Park tomorrow because Mike and Dave was throwing jams out

0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.400
<v Speaker 9>in the Big Park. He said, Yo, you should call

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<v Speaker 9>it the human beat Box. I said, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 9>to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm not doing that. You're trying to make me look crazy.

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<v Speaker 9>He said, I'm telling you, yo, what you just did

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<v Speaker 9>was crazy. So then I went out to the Big

0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:38.040
<v Speaker 9>Park and when I did it, everybody lost their mind.

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<v Speaker 5>And that was the beginning of the Beatbox.

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<v Speaker 7>And that was nineteen eighty one. That was okay eighty two.

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<v Speaker 7>What Burrow did you premiere that in?

0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.800
<v Speaker 5>I premiered it in Harlem. I prepared it in Harlem.

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<v Speaker 9>And then after which was a fascinating piece that I

0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:02.720
<v Speaker 9>think you'll appreciate too, is that Curtis Blow came out

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<v Speaker 9>with one hundred and twenty fifth Street, the people laying

0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.520
<v Speaker 9>the concrete, and it was on you know, you know,

0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:13.680
<v Speaker 9>you know, you're like, you know, So what happened? Craziest story.

0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.840
<v Speaker 9>I was doing the Beatbox. I was on Flyers with

0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:23.000
<v Speaker 9>the Cold Crush, Busy Bee with the Funky four with Fantastic,

0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.679
<v Speaker 9>with treacherous street feelers like I'm on I'm rolling now.

0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.119
<v Speaker 9>So now what happened is Curtis Blow was outside, and

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<v Speaker 9>this was the first time Harllow Week had somebody up.

0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.040
<v Speaker 9>Curtis Blow was the first hip hop artist to perform

0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.280
<v Speaker 9>at Harllow Week. Before that, it was never no hip hop.

0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.280
<v Speaker 9>So when Curtis Blow was there, they forgot to give

0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:47.080
<v Speaker 9>him turntables because it wasn't normal. So I'm walking down

0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:51.480
<v Speaker 9>the street. But I'm walking down the street they see me. No,

0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.439
<v Speaker 9>that's Dougie Fresh right there. No Dougie, come over here.

0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.000
<v Speaker 9>And Curtis said to me, He said, Dougie, is it

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<v Speaker 9>possible for you to get on and do the beatbox

0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.480
<v Speaker 9>for me? Because I have no turntables, the band, there's

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<v Speaker 9>no band. The band only know how to play for

0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.240
<v Speaker 9>whoever's getting on next. There's no CD, there was no cassette,

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.280
<v Speaker 9>there was nothing. I was standing there. I was like

0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.439
<v Speaker 9>this crazy Curtis Blow is asking me to get on

0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:19.240
<v Speaker 9>with him. Are you crazy? I was like, oh, mister Blow, Uh,

0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.000
<v Speaker 9>no problem, sir, I'm reckon do that right, sir. That

0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.199
<v Speaker 9>I got on and when I got on, Frankie Krocker

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<v Speaker 9>was on BLS. And this is when Harlem Week was big,

0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.280
<v Speaker 9>so it was probably like fifteen thousand people outside. I

0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.680
<v Speaker 9>got on and I did the beat box and that

0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.919
<v Speaker 9>was the first time Curtis Blow heard the beat box.

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<v Speaker 5>And that was way before the fire Boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, se y'all did see ya.

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<v Speaker 9>That's why I'm giving you that feet.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it.

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<v Speaker 9>And then I asked them later.

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<v Speaker 5>I asked some later.

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<v Speaker 9>I said, curt when you did this and you know

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<v Speaker 9>that I create, you know you know that I did this,

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<v Speaker 9>I said, it didn't feel a little funny with you

0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:00.480
<v Speaker 9>in there doing doing He said, Dougie, you know, he

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<v Speaker 9>just asked me to come in and produce.

0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.439
<v Speaker 5>And he said, I.

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<v Speaker 9>Said, I'm just trying to understand. I said, did you

0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.720
<v Speaker 9>He said, Dougie, it was just so crazy. I was

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<v Speaker 9>under so much. I said, I don't worry about it, man,

0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.280
<v Speaker 9>I said, I just wanted to know, you know what

0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:23.000
<v Speaker 9>I mean, because if I did it for you, you

0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.480
<v Speaker 9>called me to do it, then it was kind of

0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.119
<v Speaker 9>strange for me to hear that you produced the fact

0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:33.359
<v Speaker 9>voice and then the tradition and hip hop was not

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:38.960
<v Speaker 9>about you when you do something, see you, you're trying

0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:43.920
<v Speaker 9>to create your own sigmaents you were looking to do

0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.480
<v Speaker 9>and I didn't need to do to beat box.

0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.160
<v Speaker 5>I just it found me.

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<v Speaker 8>And there had to be a life lesson in that though, Doug,

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:53.160
<v Speaker 8>don't you feel like at the end of the days

0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.160
<v Speaker 8>that you were so young and that happened to you,

0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.199
<v Speaker 8>You feel like, in retrospect, was there some type of

0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.560
<v Speaker 8>life lesson and that, Yeah, you.

0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:04.520
<v Speaker 9>Know what's interesting with the life lesson? I always feel

0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.879
<v Speaker 9>this way, And this is the truth I say to myself.

0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.440
<v Speaker 9>If the music program was never cut at I is

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<v Speaker 9>two o one and Brother Lee was no longer there,

0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.720
<v Speaker 9>would I have created the beat box? I don't know.

0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:22.119
<v Speaker 9>And then on top of that, what's really fascinating is

0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:26.959
<v Speaker 9>Brother Lee. Later on I found out it's Malcolm Lee's father.

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<v Speaker 9>Why brother Lee is also a jazz musician whose brother

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<v Speaker 9>is Spike Lee.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy was your teacher.

0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.760
<v Speaker 9>Malcolm Lee's father was your music teacher. And then guess

0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.080
<v Speaker 9>what when when I made my records and I came out,

0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:52.400
<v Speaker 9>I found out.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, I got to talk to Brother Lee and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going.

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<v Speaker 9>To ask you what was you gonna say?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm I'm the.

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<v Speaker 5>Trumpet about.

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<v Speaker 9>I said, I said, Brother Lee, I'm getting ready to

0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.840
<v Speaker 9>perform at Madison Square Garden. I said, I want you

0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 9>to know that I made up this thing called the

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:16.399
<v Speaker 9>beatbox and I made it up because of you having

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.080
<v Speaker 9>me play the trumpet. And I said, you know, I

0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:22.159
<v Speaker 9>want you to perform with me at the garden. He said, Dougie,

0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:24.840
<v Speaker 9>I'm so proud of you. He said, but man, I

0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 9>don't know if I can handle performing at the garden.

0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:29.200
<v Speaker 9>He was a jazz physician. He said, I might be

0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 9>too much for me. I said, well, I just want

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.879
<v Speaker 9>you to know that what you did and what and

0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.639
<v Speaker 9>what happened from from the way all of these things

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.440
<v Speaker 9>landed turn this thing into something that in hip hop

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.760
<v Speaker 9>we call the fifth element. And I just want you

0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.199
<v Speaker 9>to know that you are the reason or one of

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:52.840
<v Speaker 9>the reasons how this thing became what it is, and

0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 9>it was the deepest thing in the world. And then

0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:57.440
<v Speaker 9>I wound up working with his son Malcolm on Girl

0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 9>Trip and and and it's fascinating circle ties together.

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<v Speaker 7>I have a theory, especially in hip hop, those who pioneer,

0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 7>those who go first, really never get the glory.

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Those who go second always get the shine.

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<v Speaker 7>So yes, I think in this case, because we technically

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 7>think of you as the second, you also improved or

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 7>be boxing even though you were the first, and even

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.520
<v Speaker 7>though you came out with a single, the original Human

0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:38.880
<v Speaker 7>Betpop whatever, Right, I still say that, you know, it's

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.679
<v Speaker 7>a good thing you came second, because I don't know why.

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.719
<v Speaker 7>But it's just like, you know, Marley Marrole started the

0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 7>noise thing, but then the Bomb Squad came in and

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 7>really started the noise thing.

0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:50.840
<v Speaker 5>You know, they weren't there right right.

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<v Speaker 7>East, these first white rappers, and yeah they had success,

0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:56.720
<v Speaker 7>but Eminem really like, whoever does it second in hip

0:23:56.760 --> 0:24:05.439
<v Speaker 7>hop always capitalizes it better. We gotta stuff from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 7>First of all, where were you born? Where were you born?

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<v Speaker 9>I was born here in the US, but as a kid,

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 9>I was taken back and forth to Barbados. So it's

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 9>kind of like you would consider it kind of like

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.680
<v Speaker 9>a dual dig it citizenship in a kind of a way,

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:27.440
<v Speaker 9>you know, because as a kid, that's how my parents

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.359
<v Speaker 9>kind of moved. And then my grandfather's from Trinidad and

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.880
<v Speaker 9>my grandma's from Barbados, so they was kind of they

0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 9>didn't know whether I should stay in Barbados or should

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:38.160
<v Speaker 9>I be.

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<v Speaker 7>So then I'll ask you then when people are asking

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:47.080
<v Speaker 7>you about the origins of hip hop and being as

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:53.119
<v Speaker 7>though a lot of the first generation of that culture came.

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:54.200
<v Speaker 1>From the Islands.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you do you what is your true belief on

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 7>where hip hop was born? Is it the Bronx or

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:06.439
<v Speaker 7>do we have to say that technically you know the

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 7>composites of all the residents of the islands, that's where

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:13.920
<v Speaker 7>it was born. And what are you seeing on these

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:18.879
<v Speaker 7>islands that lead you Because something's happening there that's bringing

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 7>it to America.

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<v Speaker 5>So right, right, it's a very interesting question.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, my sister introduced me to hip hop here in

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Speaker 9>the US, but my family was so diverse in their

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 9>music selection that it made it easy for me to

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 9>take Soca reggae and Go Go and R and B

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.120
<v Speaker 9>and all of these other musics, and it just it.

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<v Speaker 5>Was just one of these things.

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 9>Where you're influenced by all of these things, but in

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:55.199
<v Speaker 9>the form of hip hop in the way that I

0:25:55.440 --> 0:26:00.520
<v Speaker 9>learned it, because I am the first child of the

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 9>first generation in hip hop, meaning that I am the

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:09.679
<v Speaker 9>beginning of like all of these people that came before me.

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<v Speaker 9>I learned from DJ Hollywood. So my sister came home

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 9>and said, there is this guy named DJ Hollywood who's rapping.

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 9>I said, let me hear what he say. She said,

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<v Speaker 9>he go ring a dinger ding the dong the dong dong,

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.920
<v Speaker 9>the dang the dang dang d ding the dong dong

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<v Speaker 9>to the hip hop.

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<v Speaker 5>She wopped the box before.

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<v Speaker 9>Anything I've ever heard, and when she told me, say

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<v Speaker 9>it again, say it again, and I'm trying to catch it.

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 9>Then my brother brought in a tape with Grandma's top

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 9>flies in the series five. And when he brought these

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 9>pieces in and then my family lived in the Bronx

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 9>and also in Harlem. So the point I'm making is

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 9>that in the form that I learned hip hop here,

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 9>meaning like I think the influence goes back way further

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 9>than we really understand stand. But the pieces that I

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 9>learned from watching Hollywood, watching Our love Bugstarsky, being able

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 9>to sit on the side of the stage at Harlem

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 9>World when Busy the Battle Kumo d being there in

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 9>the contest. I was in that contest in eighty one.

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 9>So we were taking all of these elements as far

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.360
<v Speaker 9>as like weird it it originate, It originated in Harlem,

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 9>it originated in the Bronx, it originated in Brooklyn.

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 5>There was movements going on all over.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you guys attribute as we we have some historians here,

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 8>I'm curious. I'm like, do you attribute any of this

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 8>to like scatting and at all? Or do you just

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:40.920
<v Speaker 8>go straight to.

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 9>The well, that's what I'm saying on the levels, because see,

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 9>if you're looking at it on the levels that I'm

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:53.360
<v Speaker 9>talking about, you could say Calypso and Soca, our original storytellers.

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 9>You could say Yellow Man and Nico Demus, and you

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 9>can go back even further than that, but just use

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:03.880
<v Speaker 9>them as a blue print. I'm getting married and the morning,

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 9>you know, like like all of these different pieces is

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:13.920
<v Speaker 9>what made up what we do. And then even and

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 9>this is my experience, you know that that I seen

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 9>all of these elements come together, and they were influencing me.

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 9>Whenever I would go to a certain borough in the Bronx,

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:30.360
<v Speaker 9>I would get a particular kind of hip hop. When

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 9>I'm in Harlem, I watch Hollywood burn the Apollo down. See,

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 9>Hollywood is the architect of crowd participation, and I learned

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 9>I learned the skill directly from him. So I know

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 9>I know things about it that nobody You will never

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 9>know this because it doesn't exist.

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 5>Any like he had it.

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 9>He gave it to me, and I understand the dynamics

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 9>of it that like be another kid might not like

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 9>Batman's school grew up watching me, so he understands some

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 9>of the dynamics of it. So what I'm saying is

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 9>is that it just kept evolving because everybody was doing

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 9>it in their own experience.

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 5>So I can only respond to the experience that I had.

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 9>But I was in all of the burrows, most of

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 9>the burrows, studying it, you know.

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.479
<v Speaker 7>Okay, So that leads me to what I said at

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 7>the at the top of the show, which is the

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 7>thing that I admire and the thing that I want

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 7>to learn from you the most. Tarik actually learned this

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 7>from you. You have a way of commanding the crowd

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 7>that's not forced because usually in hip hop people have

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 7>to at least the modus operandi. Yeah, the motus operandi

0:29:52.160 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 7>r come. It's a full twelve yelling and like the

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 7>idea of what you imagine, like Freddie Fox to be

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 7>like shoe off the microphone.

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.959
<v Speaker 1>But you, but you are.

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 7>So the thing that made me pay attention to your

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 7>your crowd control. And the thing is is like the

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 7>one level that I lack in my life journey is

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 7>the ability to really communicate in a way that I'm

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 7>not in my head like you know, because this is

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 7>the thing, like right before I address a crowd or whatever,

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 7>suddenly I'm in my head, like, man, I want to

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 7>look like a nut out here.

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>So what I want to.

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.479
<v Speaker 7>Know is I'm certain now that this is like your

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 7>fourth decade in the industry, that now you just do

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 7>it out off of muscle in marine, like you know

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 7>how to capture the crowd. But in those first ten years,

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 7>like even without the show in Lottie Dottie, Like, in

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:57.479
<v Speaker 7>those first ten years, how are you psyching yourself up?

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 7>Because you, you, to me, are like hip hop's true version.

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 7>I've seen most stuff do this. Also, you're the true

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 7>version of like when I watch a comedian do crowd work.

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 7>You know, even without a single, without a song, you

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 7>walk on the stage, you know how to engage the crowd,

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 7>how to talk to them, things to do, and it

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 7>always works.

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Like I know you've seen you learn it from Hollywood.

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 7>But for the first ten years, like the first five years, say, okay,

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 7>right before the show eighty four, you're doing CrowdWork, Like

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 7>what are you saying to yourself before Like are you

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 7>ever nervous in any situation like damn, who I got tonight?

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 1>A bunch of white people at a corporate party? Like

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 1>how do I do this?

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 8>Like?

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 9>Wow, right, I remember we did that.

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 5>We did a corporate party together one time. I remember

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 5>that time.

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 7>There's no crowd, you can't frock. So what is your

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 7>what is your motivational? I need the motivational talk on

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 7>how you deal with crowd work and why do you

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 7>do so well?

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 9>I used to see Apollo want to sing a come

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 9>out and he sing and I watched him practice before

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 9>he got on. He'll be like this.

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 5>I believe he's singing the notes and everything is tight.

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 9>It's he's pictures perfect. When the showtime starts and he

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 9>walks out there, I believe it.

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 5>And the audience boom right before he even finishes.

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 9>It's because they feel the frequency of fear. And when

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:27.760
<v Speaker 9>they smell it and they feel it, they automatically get

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 9>out of here.

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.239
<v Speaker 5>Man, Yo, were you don't believe it?

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 4>You don't believe it?

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 5>We believe get out, yo.

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 9>Who's next? Now? If it's a little kid, If it's

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 9>a little kid, it's fascinating. Little kid get up there

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 9>and he'll be like I believe they'd be like, all right,

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 9>come on, shorty, you're gonna do it. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah,

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 9>it's encouragement because he's a younger kid, you see what

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 9>I'm saying. And they don't want to boo him because

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 9>they want to build him up to be come as

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 9>great as they see him having the confidence to at

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 9>least get up on that stage. But if it's an

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 9>if it's a person who is giving, like coming up

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 9>there and you start singing and they feel fear, the

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 9>frequency automatically makes them boom. So through these little lessons,

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 9>I advance the technology that I learned from Hollywood, and

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 9>I learned from love Buck and Busy B and I,

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 9>and I was able to change. I guess, like you said,

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 9>I played with it so much that I don't even

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 9>think about the frequency. I feel the frequency and I

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 9>just respond to the frequency, or I make the frequency

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 9>what I wanted to be right, and I'm and I

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 9>bring you to that frequency.

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 5>You see what I'm saying. It's interesting.

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 8>Can you tell us what you feel like in your body?

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 8>Is this is going on like in your body?

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 9>Don't you tell us?

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 7>How do you how do you talk yourself out of fear? Okay,

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 7>all right to read no, no, no for real.

0:33:57.960 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 5>That's a good question.

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>As it is taping.

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 7>Tarika has left the Tonight Show for four months, so

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 7>thus forcing me in a position where I have to

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 7>address the audience something I hate doing.

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if it's that I feel Hollywood or

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 7>feel you know, like ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 7>ROUTO did well?

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:25.399
<v Speaker 9>See that's the part right there. That's the part right

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 9>there where it goes wrong. See. The fear is because

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 9>you're doing something and being something that's not as authentic

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 9>as you.

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 5>So the key is to be you and to.

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:42.919
<v Speaker 9>Be you as best like be you and enjoy being you,

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 9>and don't make it like you're trying to fit into

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 9>something and replace it. Don't replace anything, just be you.

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 9>And the energy is so honest that people will feel

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 9>that frequency and they will accept it and make it

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 9>what it is, like the same way, like your conversation

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 9>now is so real that it's making me respond to

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 9>you like I'm responding because I can feel what you're saying,

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 9>and because I feel it, it makes me talk to

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 9>you like this. And that is the same thing you

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:26.280
<v Speaker 9>have to do. And fear comes from your thinking, don't think,

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:31.919
<v Speaker 9>feel it and be you when you think. That's where

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 9>fear lives. Fear live in thought. Fear can't exist when

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 9>it's just pure energy and truth. See, fear and truth can't.

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.879
<v Speaker 9>Fear and truth can never be in the same room

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 9>together because truth exposes care. You see what I'm saying.

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 9>So as much as you be yourself, fear can't be around.

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 9>Like right now, I'm telling y'all the truth, and it

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 9>doesn't matter to me how you feel.

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 5>About my truth because it's truth.

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 9>Now, if I was fearful, it's because I want you

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 9>to feel a particular way about me. But I'm not

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 9>concerned with your feelings right now. I'm only concerned with

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 9>making sure you feel the truth. And when you.

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 5>Feel the truth, you can determine how you feel about me.

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.799
<v Speaker 9>You may like me, you may not, but guess what,

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 9>you know what you gonna get when you deal with me.

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 5>You understand truth.

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 9>Right And I'm saying and I'm saying it in this

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.720
<v Speaker 9>way to make you understand that your.

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 5>Truth is good. Your truth is good.

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 9>And you don't like he that's that's his space, but

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 9>your space is you know, you're coming from a completely

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 9>different space and that space you're coming from. It's a

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.360
<v Speaker 9>good space. You just don't know it because you haven't

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 9>been using it. You understand what I'm.

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 7>Saying, being for use it right now so you know,

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:05.360
<v Speaker 7>we will see how it goes till.

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 8>I feel like at some point, even for Dougie Fresh,

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 8>there's an energy in your body that you may have

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 8>to either suppress for the moment or figure you know

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 8>what I mean, Like it's something different going on in

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 8>here sometimes than out there to get to what they need.

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 5>But given what they need right you're.

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 9>Always you know the reason why the energy is not

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 9>bothering me because my level of focus is on what

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 9>I want, and what I want is I want to

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:44.439
<v Speaker 9>save a life. I want to fix this problem. See

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 9>what happens is this when people are dealing. And it's

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 9>a fascinating how this all ties in together. Because see,

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:58.240
<v Speaker 9>when a person panics, the panic stops them from making

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 9>a disc that they would have made if they didn't panic.

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:07.360
<v Speaker 9>So if a person can focus on what they're doing,

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:12.760
<v Speaker 9>panic can't get in because you're focused on what you're doing.

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 9>Now you'll feel things. Panic could be at the door knocking,

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 9>but you're focused and it's it's It's part of a

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 9>I guess a technique. Like even like when I work out, right,

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:29.920
<v Speaker 9>say I run, I run, and I don't use no music.

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 5>And sometimes what I do is when I'm running, I'm.

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 9>Taking my mind and I'm focusing on something and I'm

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 9>training it to focus on that. And you know how

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 9>the mind work, there's always a new thought that come in.

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.720
<v Speaker 9>Even when somebody's talking to you, there's a new thought.

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:55.400
<v Speaker 9>But I train my mind to block all the things,

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 9>and I am focused on that. And when I'm ready,

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 9>I will let you tell me what I will let

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.680
<v Speaker 9>And I hope I ain't bugging y'all out, but okay, okay,

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:07.479
<v Speaker 9>I will.

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 3>I will.

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 9>I will decide when I want that thought to come in,

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.439
<v Speaker 9>and I decide if I want that thought or use

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 9>that thought because the focus is what is what I'm

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 9>looking at. And in order for me to be effective

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 9>at that thing that I'm doing, I have to stay focused.

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 9>If I'm performing and something is going on and I'm

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 9>not focused on the audience, let's say I'm I'm too divided,

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 9>you know what I mean. I'm trying to, you know,

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 9>get this happening. I'm trying to get my man in

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 9>the club. I'm trying to make sure my girl is situated.

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 9>I'm trying to make sure yo yo yo yo sound

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:50.319
<v Speaker 9>man like it's too much. So if you're able to

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 9>take and focus on something, the impact of it is powerful.

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.240
<v Speaker 9>And then when you're focused on it and you trage

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 9>your mind to think like that, then what happens is

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:05.840
<v Speaker 9>that there's no fear in it because you're focused, and

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 9>there's no panic because that thing you're focused on is

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 9>the only thing that matter.

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Think about are meditation.

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 3>I was about to say, a marriage sound like what

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 3>we talk about.

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 9>I don't have no problems with it, but I guess

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 9>in a form I do what kind of I guess

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 9>it's like a form of meditation, because when I'm running,

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 9>I may be running for seventy minutes, sixty minutes, ninety minutes,

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 9>and every time my mind is trying to take me

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 9>someplace else, I'd be like, no, no, no, no, we're

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 9>staying here.

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:38.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're doing it.

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.959
<v Speaker 5>I keep grabbing it meditation, and I put it right back.

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.239
<v Speaker 9>I go like this, no, right here, And then I

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 9>practice it so much to the point that people don't

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:52.839
<v Speaker 9>know how hard it is to think about the same thing.

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 5>For ten minutes with any interruptions, just ten minutes.

0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 3>If they try to meditate, they know it.

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 5>That's what. Yeah.

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, So I kind of incorporate that in a lot

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 9>of things because I feel like fear is not real,

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.399
<v Speaker 9>but it's real to you when you're going through it.

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 9>So if I'm able to, you know, control the outcome

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 9>by my focus, then fear can't get in there. So

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 9>if I'm dealing with a situation like city college, if

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 9>I'm dealing with a situation where I see somebody who

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 9>got shot at a club or a family member instead

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:40.880
<v Speaker 9>of me, kind of king, I'm focused and I deal

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 9>with that, and it's I'm so focused that I'm not

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 9>allowing nothing to stop me. And anybody that's giving me anything,

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 9>I can hear when it's something I need, but if it's, ah,

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 9>oh my god, I don't need that, you know, meaning

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.320
<v Speaker 9>like if you said so, Doug, I got to ride

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.360
<v Speaker 9>for so and so I can hear you and I

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 9>would grab the person and put them in the ride.

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 9>So it's a focus for being able to understand what's necessary.

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I went too far with.

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 9>This, but I mean.

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:20.239
<v Speaker 7>It's an earful Yeah, A question for you, Doug, because

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 7>you've you know, in terms of your faith, because we

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 7>know that you've been involved with like scientology for a while.

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 7>Is that having that kind of focus, Is that something

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 7>that you know you learned in that faith? How does

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 7>that help you as an entertainer?

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 9>It's funny, that's a that's a real good question, bro.

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.279
<v Speaker 9>You know what, I didn't get that from scientology. I

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 9>discovered it from just running, you know. And I'm running,

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.439
<v Speaker 9>like my running is the thing I love to do,

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:50.280
<v Speaker 9>you know. So when I'm running, I started to discover

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:54.760
<v Speaker 9>how my mind is all over the place trying to

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 9>keep itself busy because I'm trying you know, you're running

0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:03.719
<v Speaker 9>it he's trying to breathe and so so all of

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:08.240
<v Speaker 9>a sudden, I said, Yo, the mine is panic ging, Yo, doggie,

0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 9>why are you pushing me like this? Yo? You know

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 9>this is too heavy?

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:13.880
<v Speaker 5>So why you got me? And then I would like this,

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 5>shut up, bro, shut up, shut up, shut up.

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 9>Like all right, and I'll be like we're doing this

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 9>right here, and now I want you to relax, don't panic,

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 9>and breathe and and and not to the degree to

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.400
<v Speaker 9>say if I needed to slow down, you slow down.

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 9>But don't panic. See that's the part that piece right there.

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 9>Don't panic you See what I'm.

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 7>Saying A good buddy of mine is it's actually your too, DJ,

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:51.440
<v Speaker 7>my man, DJ skills.

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:52.479
<v Speaker 4>That's that's my guy.

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 5>Oh that's a bad man.

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 9>That's a bad man.

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's a bad bad Yeah. And he was telling me, uh,

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 7>going out with you. He was like, yeah, Dougie, he

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.399
<v Speaker 7>will work out before the show. He always tells me like, Yo, Doug,

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:05.800
<v Speaker 7>workout or you'll run or whatever for the show.

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:08.359
<v Speaker 4>Shower kind of have your time and then you do it.

0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 4>So I always highly of you. Man.

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 7>Well, I think when you mentioned when we mentioned meditation earlier,

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 7>what I what I do know is the sort of

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.880
<v Speaker 7>common factor, the reason why people jog, the reason why

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 7>we work out, the reason you know.

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I've said in.

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 7>Past episodes about like advanced breathing techniques and sexual activity,

0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:35.839
<v Speaker 7>like anything that causes you, yes, anything that causes you

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 7>to breathe, like it's your last breath. Somehow your mind

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 7>your mind goes into another which is another is weird

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 7>to say.

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:45.919
<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to know.

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 7>I don't want to know, but I do want to

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 7>know what what the mind state is to a person

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 7>that's about to drown, because I also believe I almost drowned.

0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 9>That's how I came That's another that's how I came

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:02.240
<v Speaker 9>up with this. I said, kid almost dropped, almost dropped

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:03.239
<v Speaker 9>the Central Park Lake.

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.920
<v Speaker 5>Me and two of my friends took a little boat.

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 5>We took one of them little boats. He was cutting school.

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 9>They talked me into it, and I jumped on the

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:15.279
<v Speaker 9>boat with him, and we didn't even have use was

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 9>pushing out with a little log, and then all of

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 9>a sudden, one he had heard the siren, so he

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 9>knew he wasn't supposed to be doing nothing.

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:23.800
<v Speaker 5>So he had fear.

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 9>He jumped into that water. He started swimming, and so

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 9>when he jumped, the boat pushed back, and all of

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 9>a sudden, the other one was there. I said, man,

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 9>I ain't jumping in that water. Come on me and

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:36.359
<v Speaker 9>you let's just roll back. And all a sudden he's like, yo,

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:39.400
<v Speaker 9>come on, man, come on. So his fear he transferred

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 9>it to his cousin. His cousin jumped out the boat

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 9>started swimming. Then he said, oh, come on, man, the

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 9>cops is gonna get us. I'm telling you, the cops

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 9>gonna get you. You know, here. We are young. I said, man,

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.319
<v Speaker 9>I don't care what he saying. I'm rolling this damp boat,

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 9>you know. So I get closer to the ship. I

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 9>think that I'm getting I'm close enough. He's panicking. I

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 9>allowed his fear to get in me. I jumped in

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 9>the water. I'm doggy podder. I'm saying, this is close enough.

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:08.439
<v Speaker 9>I think I'm good. And I put my feet down

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 9>under me, thinking that the ground was there.

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 5>There wasn't no ground. There wasn't no ground.

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 9>It wasn't no ground. And I started, right, wow, I

0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 9>mean when i'm and then my man came in and

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 9>he grabbed me and pulled me in right.

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 5>And when he pulled me in, I'm spinning.

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 9>I'm spinning the water up. So now when I go

0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 9>to the pool, and this is a real story, I'm

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 9>over here.

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 5>Everybody's in the five.

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:37.879
<v Speaker 9>Feet sixteen you know, summertime pool is with everybody else. Girl,

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.280
<v Speaker 9>I'm over in the little four feet or the three feet,

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 9>sitting in here with my feet water. I'm just shook.

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 9>I'm just shook, like to my point it was crazy.

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 9>Then I said, I can't live my life like this.

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.359
<v Speaker 9>This is crazy. I said, this is not even this

0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 9>makes me feel crazy. Every time I'm getting in water,

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 9>I'm shuk. So that one day I went to Hawaii

0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 9>to to go do a show because this was on

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 9>for a while. I got in a WHI the dude

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:05.080
<v Speaker 9>was sitting out on the raft and my man, my

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 9>sound man, said, Yo, come swim out. Man, Yo, come

0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 9>come out here. So I said, I said, all right,

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 9>I got to break this. I jump in the water

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 9>and I swim out. I get to the raft. He

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:17.359
<v Speaker 9>said there, talk to me. Asked me like two different things.

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.879
<v Speaker 9>He said, well, I gotta go. I'm jumping off the raft.

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 9>He jump off the raft and he swims back to

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 9>the to the beach. I'm sitting there going, damn, this

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.399
<v Speaker 9>is crazy. I gotta go all the way back now.

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:29.319
<v Speaker 5>So I jump.

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:31.800
<v Speaker 9>So I jump in the water and I started swimming.

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 9>And when I started swimming, I said, I stopped. And

0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 9>then I lay in the water and I'm floating and

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 9>I said, wow, now I get it. I said. The

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 9>reason why I almost drowned, it's not because I can't swim.

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:51.959
<v Speaker 9>It's because I panicked. And when I panicked, it took

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:56.759
<v Speaker 9>everything out of me. It made me not think, It

0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:57.719
<v Speaker 9>just made me.

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:00.279
<v Speaker 5>Just how stired here.

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:04.719
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, it took everything out of me. And I said,

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:11.799
<v Speaker 9>if I relax, if I breathe, and if I trust myself,

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:16.560
<v Speaker 9>and if I allow this to make sure that that

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 9>fear is not there, then it's not as hard. And

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:25.840
<v Speaker 9>that lesson is the lesson that I have applied in

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.799
<v Speaker 9>every aspect of my life, from that time that I

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 9>drown to the time that I discovered that. And then

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 9>I learned that when you run, even when you breathe

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 9>it most people stop running because they panic when they're breathing.

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:46.440
<v Speaker 9>It's getting cut short, right, So the key is to

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:51.359
<v Speaker 9>think and focus on the breathing and then you relax,

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:55.480
<v Speaker 9>the same way if a person is you know, you

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:57.360
<v Speaker 9>know you're going into a stressful situation.

0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 5>You have to relax and then the energy will flow.

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 5>And I mean, I hate to say it like this suit,

0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.359
<v Speaker 5>but we're keeping it real on this little com y'all.

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 9>Y'all took me.

0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:08.319
<v Speaker 5>I didn't even think.

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 9>But even if you're losing the fireproom, bro, if you don't.

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:18.960
<v Speaker 7>Die, you don't and there's a Dougie fresh.

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 5>Like you're sitting there like this.

0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't want nobody to have me.

0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 9>I don't want nobody to see me, and then I

0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:36.120
<v Speaker 9>ain't gotta go. You see what I'm saying. But until

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:38.759
<v Speaker 9>i'm I'm keeping it so real. And I know y'all

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:42.759
<v Speaker 9>know it's true that if you don't relax, y'all, if

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:47.480
<v Speaker 9>you don't relax, it's crazy. So that's a that's a

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:56.240
<v Speaker 9>big part of controlling fear. You can't control fear unless

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 9>you relax.

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:06.800
<v Speaker 1>We got to get to the show eventually, But I

0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 1>do have one question. You mentioned.

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 7>A legendary Harlem figure that I don't know anything about

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:19.480
<v Speaker 7>besides his record labels, But could you please like we've

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 7>heard everything about Jersey and Sugar Sugar Hill with Sylvia

0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 7>and Bobby in Jersey, but a lot of people don't

0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:31.840
<v Speaker 7>know that the Bobby Robinson that runs Enjoy Records is

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 7>another Bobby Robinson I know nothing about. And you know,

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 7>I'm a fan of the Godfather of Harlem and Bobby

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:47.360
<v Speaker 7>Robinson's character this season, Yeah, he's been Yeah, Bobby Robinson's

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:49.719
<v Speaker 7>sort of been a figure in the first In the

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:51.880
<v Speaker 7>second season, he owns a local record store.

0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.280
<v Speaker 4>Obviously, Okay, I saw the first season.

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:57.960
<v Speaker 7>So obviously you know, like I can see like you

0:50:58.040 --> 0:50:59.960
<v Speaker 7>own a record store, and then you start your label.

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:01.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh YadA YadA, YadA woo.

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:05.200
<v Speaker 7>But can you talk about Bobby Robinson and what he

0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 7>meant to the community of Harlem, like and your dealings

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 7>with him, Like what was he like?

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 9>Bobby? Bobby Robinson was a very mild mannered, low key,

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:23.520
<v Speaker 9>community friendly guy who was not a very big guy.

0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:27.200
<v Speaker 5>But he was a guy that.

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 9>All of us respected because he had his own record shop.

0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.400
<v Speaker 9>He would go to his record shop, he had the

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.959
<v Speaker 9>Mamo Pop Record Shop, and you would you would hear

0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:42.480
<v Speaker 9>everything that came out from the Treacher's Free, from the Feelers,

0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:45.759
<v Speaker 9>from Coolkow, from anybody from Funky four. And he was

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 9>the first guy out there doing it. But the problem

0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:53.400
<v Speaker 9>is is that in the community, Bobby Robinson was also

0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:56.600
<v Speaker 9>known as a guy who did not pay and he

0:51:56.640 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 9>did not pay no rappers. So so I when I

0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:04.839
<v Speaker 9>did the deal with him, I got some money up

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 9>front from him because I knew based on the history

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 9>of what he did with the trust. I used to

0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:14.080
<v Speaker 9>sit in Bobby Robinson's record shop and watch Treacher's Three

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:16.359
<v Speaker 9>come in there, and LA would be like, Joe, we're

0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:18.320
<v Speaker 9>Bobby Man, I'm looking for my money.

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 8>Man.

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 9>I would watch mo d coming, it goes Bobby in here, Yo,

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.120
<v Speaker 9>where's he at? And I would watch how.

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:29.920
<v Speaker 5>People respected Bobby because he was.

0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:31.839
<v Speaker 9>The guy who looked like he knew more than us

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:37.600
<v Speaker 9>we were kids, but it looked like he didn't either

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:42.800
<v Speaker 9>explain what was going on, or he was doing things

0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 9>and didn't really come clean on what he was doing.

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 5>Can you under saying.

0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:53.759
<v Speaker 7>Okay, so okay, So nineteen eighty one and I get

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:58.680
<v Speaker 7>a deal with Enjoy Records? What how's the deal broker?

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Like? What is housing k or fair deal for Enjoy Records?

0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 7>Are you giving me and you're Bobby Robinson, are you

0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.239
<v Speaker 7>giving me and my crew like five hundred bucks to

0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 7>do one side? Or like, what's what kind of deal

0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:16.680
<v Speaker 7>my striking with you? If you're Bobby Robinson? I want

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 7>to make a rap record.

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 5>Bobby Robinson is not giving you a deal where you

0:53:20.560 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 5>really know what.

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 9>You're gonna get. You might get ten center record, you

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:29.720
<v Speaker 9>might get twelve cents a record or fifteen cents a record,

0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 9>But he is not sitting down with a lawyer and

0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:34.440
<v Speaker 9>going through a deal with you. He know you're a

0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:37.440
<v Speaker 9>hungry young kid who could rap, and he's just trying

0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:40.239
<v Speaker 9>to put the record out and he's saying, no, here,

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 9>sign this and we're gonna work it out. And there's

0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:47.040
<v Speaker 9>no way for you to take account to how many

0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 9>records he sold because he's selling them out the trunk

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:51.440
<v Speaker 9>or he's passing them around.

0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:53.279
<v Speaker 5>As to mom and pop distribution.

0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 9>Bobby Robinson was a guy that for me, I watch

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 9>every hit pop artists that he had signed, from Grandmaster

0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:08.160
<v Speaker 9>Flash to Funkie four to Treacherous three and feel his four.

0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 9>I watched all of them. He had them all and

0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:16.680
<v Speaker 9>he never dealt with them in a way that they

0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:19.920
<v Speaker 9>felt confident that they were going to get compensated for

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:22.960
<v Speaker 9>their music. And with me, I just did one single

0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:25.800
<v Speaker 9>with him with two sided, because I did get Fresh

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.640
<v Speaker 9>Doug on the other side, because I needed to have

0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:32.520
<v Speaker 9>something out because I seen what was going on in

0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.120
<v Speaker 9>regards to people believing that I might have got it

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:40.399
<v Speaker 9>from Fat Boys, which originally was Disco three. So when

0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:43.640
<v Speaker 9>I got with him, it was only for strategic purposes.

0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:44.680
<v Speaker 5>It wasn't he.

0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 9>I knew that Bobby Robinson was not a guy that

0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:51.200
<v Speaker 9>would pay you, and he would not. He was not

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.880
<v Speaker 9>a guy that you could see yourself making money with.

0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:57.360
<v Speaker 7>So you went with enjoyed, just so that you could

0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:01.919
<v Speaker 7>stop the bleeding of the fat boys being the soul

0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:06.239
<v Speaker 7>creators of the beat box, Like I gotta get in

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:08.960
<v Speaker 7>the Okay, I get it marketing right right.

0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:11.400
<v Speaker 9>So I strategically, I said, if I hit him with

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 9>the movie, if I hit him with just having fun

0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 9>and Get Fresh tough, because remember I said, for all

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 9>the sounds you bet boxes are doing, all you bit

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:23.120
<v Speaker 9>from me, I should be sewing some say yay what

0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:25.480
<v Speaker 9>they should be going. From the time you hit this robing,

0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:28.680
<v Speaker 9>your career is ruined. That's the way I opened it up,

0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:32.200
<v Speaker 9>you know what I mean. And then and so once

0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:35.839
<v Speaker 9>I did that, it was to make people know. And

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:40.120
<v Speaker 9>then out in Long Island in eighty two, I met

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:44.080
<v Speaker 9>Biz and then I would have Biz with me everywhere

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:46.759
<v Speaker 9>because Biz was coming to my house and he was

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 9>going to the store for my mother. He was going

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:51.359
<v Speaker 9>to the store for my grandmother. And he was up

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:54.000
<v Speaker 9>under me because he was trying to learn the beat box.

0:55:54.400 --> 0:56:00.000
<v Speaker 5>So I had him there you talking, yes, business, Biz

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:03.080
<v Speaker 5>was This is one of the members, the first members

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 5>of the Get Fresh Crow.

0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:05.600
<v Speaker 4>Did not know.

0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:08.840
<v Speaker 9>You that.

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:15.480
<v Speaker 5>That's my brother. I love him. He's on this new

0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.440
<v Speaker 5>album that I just let out. I mean, that's one

0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:23.320
<v Speaker 5>of our list times together. And then and and he's

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:25.319
<v Speaker 5>his family, you know what I mean.

0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:28.560
<v Speaker 9>So and then eventually and then it got a little

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.160
<v Speaker 9>weird because he's trying to do the beat box. I'm

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.359
<v Speaker 9>doing it and I'm like, yo, Biz, you know you're

0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:34.400
<v Speaker 9>biting straight up.

0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:36.280
<v Speaker 5>I can't let you do that.

0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.240
<v Speaker 9>And he's like, all right, all right. And then that's

0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.200
<v Speaker 9>when he went to Magic. But I was with Magic first.

0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:45.880
<v Speaker 9>But Magic was trying to get me to battle everybody.

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:49.240
<v Speaker 9>So I didn't like that. I didn't like how Magic

0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 9>was trying to get me to go in there and

0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:55.359
<v Speaker 9>battle every single person that he had. That that he

0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 9>didn't like because he was getting high at the time

0:56:58.320 --> 0:56:58.760
<v Speaker 9>and he.

0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:02.120
<v Speaker 5>Wasn't the same as the magic from w HBI, you

0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:02.640
<v Speaker 5>know what I mean.

0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:07.400
<v Speaker 7>Doug one more enjoyed eraror question that I gotta know about,

0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:11.360
<v Speaker 7>you know, because I come from a lineage of musicianship,

0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:15.080
<v Speaker 7>you know, and all respect to Keith le Blancin and

0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:16.840
<v Speaker 7>Doug win Bush of sugar Hill.

0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:18.800
<v Speaker 5>To talking about Pumpkin, Baby.

0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Pumpkins.

0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:26.080
<v Speaker 7>So for our listeners that don't know, pumpkin, Pumpkin was

0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:29.720
<v Speaker 7>the you know, for Keith le Blancin and and Doug

0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 7>win Bush to be the house band of sugar Hill

0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:37.320
<v Speaker 7>Records over at Enjoy Records up in Harlem. The leader

0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:40.560
<v Speaker 7>was Pumpkin the drummer. And you know if you if

0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 7>you're if you're a beat, heead you know if you

0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:50.560
<v Speaker 7>collect records. Then his interpolation of tower power squid cakes,

0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:55.400
<v Speaker 7>it was done. I think even better. You know, I

0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:59.320
<v Speaker 7>prefer love rap by Spoony g. That break more than

0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:02.520
<v Speaker 7>the original breakdown it should have came from. Can you

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:05.320
<v Speaker 7>tell me anything about I knew nothing about Pumpkin.

0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:06.160
<v Speaker 9>What was he?

0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you about original.

0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 9>Pumpkin, right right, right right Pumpkin. Pumpkin was unbelievable. One

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:20.600
<v Speaker 9>day and this is what happened with Bobby Robinson. And

0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:22.640
<v Speaker 9>this is what made me do it like I did it.

0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 9>Pumpkin was in there and I told him a beat

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.520
<v Speaker 9>I wanted him to play. He played a beat. He'll

0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:30.840
<v Speaker 9>go to the keyboards. I said, give me this sound.

0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:31.520
<v Speaker 9>He'll go in there.

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.520
<v Speaker 5>He'll pick up the sound. If you need him to

0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:35.520
<v Speaker 5>play the bass and grab the bas and put that

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 5>in there. Pumpkin was like.

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:39.200
<v Speaker 4>A one man man.

0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:43.560
<v Speaker 9>And what happened and if you listen to love rap

0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 9>when it's going that beat, and then if you hear

0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:53.160
<v Speaker 9>in the back, you here the percussions.

0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:54.960
<v Speaker 5>That's Spoony G's.

0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 9>Brother and his name is Pooci all of them little

0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:02.560
<v Speaker 9>brother Poochie is Spoony Jeans brother.

0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:07.160
<v Speaker 5>Never knew that b this this thing runs so deep.

0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:12.480
<v Speaker 9>But but Pumpkin, and before Pumpkin passed, Pumpkin came to

0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 9>the studio and he kept saying, Dougie, let me let

0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:16.120
<v Speaker 9>me play a beat for you tonight.

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:18.280
<v Speaker 5>Come on, Dougie, mean, let's go back to back, Let's

0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:18.720
<v Speaker 5>do beat.

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:22.160
<v Speaker 9>And in the middle of everything going on before me

0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:24.600
<v Speaker 9>and were before me and it were able to get together,

0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:29.600
<v Speaker 9>he passed away. But Pumpkin was a guy that that's

0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:31.480
<v Speaker 9>why we did this. That's why he did this song.

0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:35.280
<v Speaker 9>Pumpkin and the All Stars. We remember that one because

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:39.040
<v Speaker 9>Pumpkin and if you have oh, that was his cod

0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:41.160
<v Speaker 9>kidnamed Fly Fly.

0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Tired Michael Jackson.

0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:57.120
<v Speaker 9>We crazy, look, look, look Pumpkin was. Pumpkin was honestly

0:59:57.160 --> 1:00:01.120
<v Speaker 9>as a drummer, as a musician, he was a guy

1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:04.920
<v Speaker 9>that you could tell your ideas too, and he would

1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:08.600
<v Speaker 9>be able to give you the idea just like you

1:00:08.680 --> 1:00:13.000
<v Speaker 9>wanted it and add some things. That was really really good.

1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:17.120
<v Speaker 9>So my first record I was gonna do was a

1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:20.080
<v Speaker 9>song with Pumpkin, but we never got to finish it.

1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:22.640
<v Speaker 7>I was going to say, because if it wasn't for

1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:27.240
<v Speaker 7>Pumpkin passing away, would you have worked with Teddy Riley

1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:32.880
<v Speaker 7>for the show in nineteen eighty five? If Punkin were

1:00:32.920 --> 1:00:35.320
<v Speaker 7>still alive, would you go on to Pumpkin instead of

1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:36.000
<v Speaker 7>Teddy Riley?

1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:39.800
<v Speaker 5>I would have probably went to Pumpkin.

1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:43.800
<v Speaker 9>But also I was I was teaching Teddy about hip

1:00:43.800 --> 1:00:46.520
<v Speaker 9>hop because Teddy was from.

1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:49.280
<v Speaker 5>The church, church kid, right, so we used.

1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:53.320
<v Speaker 9>To cut school and that's when I introduced him to swing.

1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:59.160
<v Speaker 9>And that was the beginning of it because because the drums,

1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:01.440
<v Speaker 9>you know, let me talk to you as a producer

1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:05.440
<v Speaker 9>now like on the d X or the DMX, the

1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:08.560
<v Speaker 9>button in the back would determine how much swing that

1:01:08.680 --> 1:01:11.200
<v Speaker 9>you put into a beat. If I'm going.

1:01:13.280 --> 1:01:16.040
<v Speaker 5>That's swinging, run DMC's beat is to be like.

1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:18.600
<v Speaker 9>Now, it's more like.

1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:20.800
<v Speaker 5>Right action.

1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:28.800
<v Speaker 9>So what I brought was so that's swing, that's swing,

1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:33.040
<v Speaker 9>that swing. And I did it because Greg Greg g

1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:37.120
<v Speaker 9>from the disco for owed me some money because I

1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:39.600
<v Speaker 9>did a show for him because he was a promoter

1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:42.720
<v Speaker 9>on the side, and because he owed me money, he

1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:46.040
<v Speaker 9>lent all of his equipment to Teddy. And when he

1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:48.360
<v Speaker 9>lent it to Teddy, he said, Yo, man, I ain't

1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:51.320
<v Speaker 9>got the money right now for Joe. If you want

1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:53.040
<v Speaker 9>to work on your music and you want to get

1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:55.520
<v Speaker 9>your joint done, yo, I got the equipment over there

1:01:55.520 --> 1:01:58.760
<v Speaker 9>at Teddy's house. I said, really, he said yeah.

1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:00.280
<v Speaker 5>So I went over there.

1:02:01.560 --> 1:02:04.720
<v Speaker 9>Teddy had all of his equipment over there, and right

1:02:04.760 --> 1:02:08.200
<v Speaker 9>over there is when I started to make up the

1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:11.360
<v Speaker 9>pattern of this show. The drums, and then that's when

1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:15.480
<v Speaker 9>I hit that shaker and I as when, huh.

1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:17.160
<v Speaker 1>How many tracks were you?

1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:17.320
<v Speaker 9>Like?

1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:19.120
<v Speaker 1>What equipment made the show?

1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:20.920
<v Speaker 5>I use.

1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:26.520
<v Speaker 9>I used the DX drum machine, and I use a

1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:31.320
<v Speaker 9>series of keyboards because my manager was the one in

1:02:31.360 --> 1:02:38.400
<v Speaker 9>the studio that played everything. Because it's just a complicated story, man.

1:02:38.520 --> 1:02:44.360
<v Speaker 9>But but you know, but the truth of the matter

1:02:45.160 --> 1:02:49.840
<v Speaker 9>is that I know that the show would have never

1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:54.200
<v Speaker 9>became what it is if I didn't have Teddy there

1:02:54.520 --> 1:02:58.960
<v Speaker 9>to be able to to to express my ideas the

1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:01.520
<v Speaker 9>way that I express you know what I mean.

1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:03.840
<v Speaker 7>I was gonna say the show is one of the

1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:12.960
<v Speaker 7>most unusual formatic songs I've ever heard, because if you really,

1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:16.240
<v Speaker 7>if you really break down the show, the show is

1:03:16.480 --> 1:03:21.160
<v Speaker 7>almost like it's almost like I wouldn't say interludes, but

1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:26.320
<v Speaker 7>I would almost say seven vignettes because nothing, nothing repeats

1:03:26.320 --> 1:03:28.480
<v Speaker 7>twice like then here we go, here we go, come on.

1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:31.760
<v Speaker 7>It's almost like it's like every hooks could be a

1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:35.520
<v Speaker 7>hook every four bars, and I know you guys aren't

1:03:35.560 --> 1:03:39.280
<v Speaker 7>dealing with like pro tools and cut these four bars,

1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:42.720
<v Speaker 7>so it's almost like I feel like you had to

1:03:42.800 --> 1:03:45.160
<v Speaker 7>map out that entirely sequence.

1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:48.400
<v Speaker 5>I did, I did, I did. I went over there.

1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:51.240
<v Speaker 9>I sat down, and this is when I first learned

1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:53.480
<v Speaker 9>how to count the bars and arrange it.

1:03:53.800 --> 1:03:56.400
<v Speaker 5>So I sat down and I arranged the whole thing.

1:03:57.000 --> 1:03:58.960
<v Speaker 9>And when I arranged it, I went over there his

1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:00.720
<v Speaker 9>house after I'm made up the track.

1:04:00.760 --> 1:04:01.600
<v Speaker 5>Because this is how.

1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:04.800
<v Speaker 9>Y'all understand this, because y'all are musicians and y'all know

1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:05.320
<v Speaker 9>the game.

1:04:05.880 --> 1:04:08.040
<v Speaker 5>You go there, you feel the music, and you make

1:04:08.120 --> 1:04:08.440
<v Speaker 5>it up.

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<v Speaker 9>After you make it up, I would take the tape

1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:13.360
<v Speaker 9>home and then I would, you know, play around with it.

1:04:13.560 --> 1:04:15.840
<v Speaker 9>I'll go to Will's house, Battery's house, and I'll come

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<v Speaker 9>back and say I like this.

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<v Speaker 5>I like this, and so I wanted I didn't.

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<v Speaker 9>I just structured it where I want the horn to

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<v Speaker 9>hit here, I want this to be, and I learned

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<v Speaker 9>how to structure it based on how many bars everything

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<v Speaker 9>was on the song. And then after it was all done,

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<v Speaker 9>then I had to go back and program the drums

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<v Speaker 9>so so I can separate all of these pieces, so

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<v Speaker 9>you don't want even pacing. No, I just I just

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<v Speaker 9>programmed it like that Teddy. I told Teddy what I

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<v Speaker 9>wanted to do, and he knew how to work the equipment,

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<v Speaker 9>and so he sat down and whatever I was asking

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<v Speaker 9>him to do, he would do it.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll say, like Teddy was the one who came up

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<v Speaker 5>with the.

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<v Speaker 9>Drum roll, so so because I was doing a drum

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<v Speaker 9>roll and mom was cool. But then and he heard

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<v Speaker 9>mine and it was in his like a combination of

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<v Speaker 9>what I was doing and what he added to it,

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<v Speaker 9>which made it better. So the other part that any

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<v Speaker 9>contribution that anybody was trying to make to the song,

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<v Speaker 9>if it felt good and if it worked, it didn't matter.

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<v Speaker 5>Who came up with it.

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<v Speaker 9>It was about making this thing as hot as it

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<v Speaker 9>could be. Like when I hit the shaker. I hit

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<v Speaker 9>the shaker by accident because it was I was looking

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<v Speaker 9>for something else. And then when I hit the shaker,

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<v Speaker 9>I just started to you know, because I'm doing the

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<v Speaker 9>bee box and all of that, I said, I started,

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<v Speaker 9>I started.

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<v Speaker 5>Really moving it.

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<v Speaker 9>And then when I was working with the drum machine Teddy,

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<v Speaker 9>I said, I want swing in it, and he was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 9>and he put a little I said no, I got

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<v Speaker 9>to swing harder than that, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Then he started saying no, I got to swing.

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<v Speaker 9>I said, that's it right there, that's swing and nobody

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<v Speaker 9>was using it.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, not like that.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna tell you to be alive and of age

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<v Speaker 7>in nineteen eighty five. I'm probably the last human that

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<v Speaker 7>got on the train of the show right before it

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<v Speaker 7>took off, because I spent the entire summer of nineteen

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<v Speaker 7>eighty five in California where it was all about Toddy

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<v Speaker 7>T's batter Ram the batter I remember, right, I like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>my cousins, My cousins were bangers whatever like and literally

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<v Speaker 7>that's all you only heard batter Ram. So to spend June,

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<v Speaker 7>July and August in California in the Altadena, Pasadena with

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<v Speaker 7>my teenage cousins.

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<v Speaker 1>Only hearing batter Ram.

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<v Speaker 7>I come back home to Philly and this is this

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<v Speaker 7>is I know that nineteen eighty five is probably the

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<v Speaker 7>last regional year for hip hop, where like only regions,

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<v Speaker 7>you only dealt with their regions and it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 7>fully national yet. And I got home and saw, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>the landed. My plane landed like three or four in

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<v Speaker 7>the afternoon. Got home, and I remember like talking to

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<v Speaker 7>the kids on the block, and I just knew I

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<v Speaker 7>was up on something that they weren't up on. And

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, yo, y'all know about batter Ram. Now

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<v Speaker 7>I'm from Philly, right. They looked at me like I

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<v Speaker 7>was an alien. They're like, what the hell is a

1:07:47.360 --> 1:07:51.160
<v Speaker 7>batter Ram. I'm like, right, you can't stop. I'm singing

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<v Speaker 7>the first verse and everything. They just looked at me

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<v Speaker 7>like it was like the block was laughing at me.

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<v Speaker 7>They're like, nah, we only know about the show and

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<v Speaker 7>Lotty Dottie. And I was like, like, the did not

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<v Speaker 7>know about this. Literally, this is like two days before

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<v Speaker 7>school started. And they told me, nah, this is this

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<v Speaker 7>has been number one on Power ninety nine for three

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<v Speaker 7>months in a row, like that's the that's the last

1:08:15.280 --> 1:08:17.920
<v Speaker 7>time I felt so late on something that the whole

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<v Speaker 7>world was up on.

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<v Speaker 8>You still had you still had till nineteen ninety one

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<v Speaker 8>to get back on it again.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I was gonna say, did did the New Jack City?

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<v Speaker 8>I wanted to know the story between on the New

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<v Speaker 8>Jack City situation and how it became kind of that

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<v Speaker 8>scene and in that movie, and how you even allowed

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<v Speaker 8>them to use it. Yeah, because I felt like it

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<v Speaker 8>came back and the Ninjack City it just gave it

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<v Speaker 8>new life.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the show never I think, no gave it

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<v Speaker 1>was timeless.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>For starters.

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<v Speaker 7>I guess we should ask you, how did you hook

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<v Speaker 7>up with Slick Rick to start this group?

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<v Speaker 9>Well that's an interesting question because Slick Rick was well,

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<v Speaker 9>he wasn't Slick Rick.

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<v Speaker 5>He was Ricky Ricky right, he was Ricky.

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<v Speaker 9>D And he was with his crew that man, y'all.

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<v Speaker 9>Y'all asked some questions. Man, Well, yeah, it was the

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<v Speaker 9>Cango Cup. But where I seen him, see the Kango

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<v Speaker 9>crew was in his school. Where he was doing his

1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:32.599
<v Speaker 9>thing was up at the Cadet Club in the Bronx. Now,

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<v Speaker 9>Rick was moving around with different guys trying to get

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<v Speaker 9>his get his hip hop thing going on. And there

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<v Speaker 9>was a guy named Donald d.

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<v Speaker 5>And there was another dude named June loves.

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<v Speaker 1>Syndicate.

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<v Speaker 9>All no, this is another guy and he calls himself

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<v Speaker 9>now Dandy down. He's still alive, right, But it was

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<v Speaker 9>these three guys. Me and Tito was hanging out. One night.

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<v Speaker 9>Tito came by my house from the Fearless four and

1:10:02.240 --> 1:10:04.479
<v Speaker 9>we hung out and we went uptown and they had

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<v Speaker 9>an EMC contest. Now I was known to take a

1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:14.760
<v Speaker 9>lot of EMC contests because my style was was basically

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<v Speaker 9>the new thing with.

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<v Speaker 5>The beat box.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm rhyming, it's crowd participation, I'm dancing, it's Harlem, it's

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<v Speaker 9>a whole nother thing.

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<v Speaker 5>There's melody.

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<v Speaker 9>So there was a new dimension and hip hop coming

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<v Speaker 9>in long story shot, me and Tito got on and

1:10:29.960 --> 1:10:33.280
<v Speaker 9>the girls loved Tito, so it was like a It

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<v Speaker 9>was like a it was like, let's go get this

1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:38.640
<v Speaker 9>money Tito. But then they said we couldn't be in

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<v Speaker 9>it because they looked at him as a professional and

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<v Speaker 9>they looked at me as a.

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<v Speaker 5>Professional, even though I didn't have a record out at

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<v Speaker 5>the time, nothing major.

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<v Speaker 9>But this is what so Rick June Love and Donald

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<v Speaker 9>D was in the contests. So when they was in

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<v Speaker 9>the contest, the Cold Crush Brothers was in the contest too.

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<v Speaker 9>So this is how the story goes. I was there

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<v Speaker 9>whe watching June and watching them. I say, Yo, these

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<v Speaker 9>dudes is nice. I said, yo, Yo, t don't look

1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:07.040
<v Speaker 9>at the nice and he was like yeah, yeah, and

1:11:07.120 --> 1:11:10.160
<v Speaker 9>Tila Rock was up there and he's like, yeah, you

1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:14.760
<v Speaker 9>know it's yours. It's yours, yo. That's another right, that's

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<v Speaker 9>the whole another story. So we up there and all

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<v Speaker 9>of a sudden, say, yo, I heard Rick And so

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<v Speaker 9>the rhyme that you hearing him say on the show

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<v Speaker 9>was the rhyme that I heard him say in the contest.

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<v Speaker 9>And so when he said that rhyme in the concert,

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<v Speaker 9>I said, Yo, the kid is nice, said the kid.

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<v Speaker 9>Donald D was rhyming about a beef patty. And when

1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:35.080
<v Speaker 9>he brought the beef patty, so they burned it and

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<v Speaker 9>they flipped it on the other side and gave it

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<v Speaker 9>to him, and they tried to hide it, you know

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<v Speaker 9>what I'm saying, And he wrote a rhyme about the beef.

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<v Speaker 9>I was like, Yo, these dudes are ill, because I

1:11:43.200 --> 1:11:46.880
<v Speaker 9>haven't heard nobody rhyme like this. You know, long story short,

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<v Speaker 9>June Love stopped. June Love was gonna team up with

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<v Speaker 9>Greg Nice. June Love got murdered. So the style that

1:11:56.240 --> 1:12:01.040
<v Speaker 9>you hear Greg Nice's rhyme in is June style.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, So the great Nice style of fear the Fan

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<v Speaker 7>that is based on June Love, right, And June Love

1:12:12.520 --> 1:12:14.719
<v Speaker 7>was a part of Cago Crew.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, you're following me, got it.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to another.

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<v Speaker 1>Beat boxer, Greg Nice, right, But.

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<v Speaker 9>Greg NICs was also under my guidance because the feel

1:12:27.400 --> 1:12:29.840
<v Speaker 9>is four. He wanted to do the beatbox for the

1:12:29.880 --> 1:12:35.160
<v Speaker 9>Feelings four because they wanted something to balance out what

1:12:35.240 --> 1:12:39.040
<v Speaker 9>they wasn't doing, and because I rhymed the beat buzz.

1:12:39.479 --> 1:12:42.679
<v Speaker 9>So Greg Nice was another piece that he was going

1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:45.920
<v Speaker 9>with feelers for. So that's my man all that, But

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<v Speaker 9>I'm just telling you he started to transition into the

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<v Speaker 9>Junie Love style because he was going to do the beatbox.

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<v Speaker 5>For June Love, and when June Love.

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<v Speaker 9>Lost his life, Greg basically took the style and then

1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:02.000
<v Speaker 9>he went forward with it. So like all I was

1:13:02.040 --> 1:13:05.200
<v Speaker 9>going on, Rick seeing me get on, and then I'm

1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:08.640
<v Speaker 9>doing parties throughout the whole city. So everywhere I go,

1:13:09.120 --> 1:13:13.200
<v Speaker 9>Rick is like, yo, jugie freshman, Yo, you think you

1:13:13.240 --> 1:13:15.360
<v Speaker 9>could put me on with you? I said, Yo, I

1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:17.400
<v Speaker 9>gotta hear you, man, I gotta hear all night. You know,

1:13:17.520 --> 1:13:19.720
<v Speaker 9>see if you're good whatever you know? I say, Yo,

1:13:19.800 --> 1:13:21.880
<v Speaker 9>you seem like a cool dude. Say yeah, man, my

1:13:21.960 --> 1:13:24.040
<v Speaker 9>name is Ricky de Man. I say, yeah, I see

1:13:24.080 --> 1:13:26.439
<v Speaker 9>you downtown, man at Ro said was kind of slick.

1:13:26.680 --> 1:13:28.720
<v Speaker 9>He said, yeah, man, I'm nice. So I would go

1:13:28.800 --> 1:13:30.880
<v Speaker 9>all of these different places and I would see him.

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<v Speaker 9>He would be pressing me, like everywhere I go. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>in the door.

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<v Speaker 5>He's like, yo, Doug, put me on.

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<v Speaker 9>I get off stage, and then he'll be standing there.

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<v Speaker 9>He was like, y'all see you get on man, Yo,

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<v Speaker 9>do you think we could go back on? You could

1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:46.600
<v Speaker 9>put me on with you? And I'll be like, I

1:13:46.640 --> 1:13:49.000
<v Speaker 9>can't do that, man. I just got off. And one

1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:51.519
<v Speaker 9>day I'm going down the hill and Comment Avenue and

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<v Speaker 9>Harlem and he's I see him on the phone.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how he was on the corner on

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<v Speaker 5>the phone while.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm walking down there. The odds is like a billion

1:14:02.240 --> 1:14:05.519
<v Speaker 9>to one. I take him over to Will's house. I

1:14:05.560 --> 1:14:08.800
<v Speaker 9>got this little drum machine, the RX seven that I

1:14:08.840 --> 1:14:12.400
<v Speaker 9>got from oc from Feelings spoiled one of his dj

1:14:12.439 --> 1:14:15.360
<v Speaker 9>because it was crazy Eddy and oc Oc was trying

1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:17.479
<v Speaker 9>to sell me the drum machine. So you know, you

1:14:17.600 --> 1:14:20.439
<v Speaker 9>when you were broke, you're trying to borrow somebody drum

1:14:20.479 --> 1:14:21.639
<v Speaker 9>machine and trying to get.

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<v Speaker 5>As most out of it as you can. And then

1:14:23.880 --> 1:14:26.080
<v Speaker 5>you know, you gotta, you know, to stress you then

1:14:26.160 --> 1:14:29.960
<v Speaker 5>you give it back, you know how that was? So yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>So Rick came over and I say, yo're come over

1:14:33.920 --> 1:14:36.559
<v Speaker 5>into the house man. And then right then and there

1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:39.000
<v Speaker 5>is when I say, yo, let me see what you got.

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<v Speaker 5>I got on.

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<v Speaker 9>A couple of other dudes got on. And that was

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<v Speaker 9>the day that he started lotty ditting. And when he

1:14:47.120 --> 1:14:49.920
<v Speaker 9>said it, he couldn't he couldn't even finish the rhyme

1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:53.320
<v Speaker 9>because we was laughing for at least an hour. I mean,

1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:56.240
<v Speaker 9>it was like, yo, let me tell you something. Bro

1:14:57.000 --> 1:15:01.000
<v Speaker 9>Rick was so goddamn funny. I'm talking about like he

1:15:01.200 --> 1:15:04.840
<v Speaker 9>was h hilarious. I mean to the point that we

1:15:05.000 --> 1:15:08.479
<v Speaker 9>all in there holding our stomach. He can't finish the rhyme.

1:15:08.800 --> 1:15:10.960
<v Speaker 9>Then all of a sudden, out there and then the rhyme.

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<v Speaker 9>He said, I told you I was nice. I told

1:15:13.720 --> 1:15:14.559
<v Speaker 9>you I was nice.

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<v Speaker 7>Wait are there any other takes of Lotty Doddy that

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<v Speaker 7>we've not heard because.

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<v Speaker 9>It's just you too.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's a couple, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean alternative takes of it.

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<v Speaker 9>Nah. Now, what we did and what we did on

1:15:31.720 --> 1:15:35.800
<v Speaker 9>Wax was when we made that. That was because my

1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:38.559
<v Speaker 9>manager at the time say, Yo, why don't y'all do

1:15:38.600 --> 1:15:41.000
<v Speaker 9>that thing called Lotti Doddy that all the kids are

1:15:41.040 --> 1:15:44.439
<v Speaker 9>talking about in the street because Lotty Dotty was created

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<v Speaker 9>in eighty four. And what I did is when I

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<v Speaker 9>seen them, when I heard the rhyme, I say, Yo,

1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:53.760
<v Speaker 9>this rhyme would be crazy if I did the beatbox

1:15:54.080 --> 1:15:56.640
<v Speaker 9>and I just come in with different words and I

1:15:56.800 --> 1:16:00.360
<v Speaker 9>changed the beat so that it doesn't get boring, and

1:16:00.479 --> 1:16:02.720
<v Speaker 9>I say, yeah, this will be good. And then all

1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:04.160
<v Speaker 9>of a sudden, I said that we get and then

1:16:04.200 --> 1:16:06.320
<v Speaker 9>he was excited. I said, and we could take all

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<v Speaker 9>the rap contests. He was like, yeah, yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 9>I want. Because he felt that he got jerked when

1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:14.360
<v Speaker 9>he was at the Cadet court because they didn't they

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<v Speaker 9>didn't win, so he had this big thing on his

1:16:18.400 --> 1:16:22.000
<v Speaker 9>shoulder saying I'm taking every contest. So then we started

1:16:22.040 --> 1:16:25.640
<v Speaker 9>going around in the city just taking every contest, and

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<v Speaker 9>then when we did it on record, we took out

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<v Speaker 9>the second part to Lottie Dottie because we mentioned Vanessa.

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<v Speaker 7>Ways Williams, Oh yeah, you told me. Wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 7>Wait a minute, God, this is like the rabbit hole

1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:46.960
<v Speaker 7>of life. I just gotta do you have any of

1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:52.479
<v Speaker 7>those tapes? From course, okay, I'm coming to your rib

1:16:53.320 --> 1:16:59.080
<v Speaker 7>of course. Literally more more than the twelve inch there was.

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<v Speaker 7>There was again Philadelphian. There was a dude, my go

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<v Speaker 7>to cheese steak guy every Sunday, my go to steak guy,

1:17:10.520 --> 1:17:13.599
<v Speaker 7>like he would have He would have like he had

1:17:13.640 --> 1:17:17.320
<v Speaker 7>cousins from New York that always put him on to

1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:21.759
<v Speaker 7>like those t Connection tapes and those Parlem World tapes.

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<v Speaker 7>So when I'm you know, Sunday after church my routine,

1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:29.160
<v Speaker 7>I get a cheese steak after church, and he's always

1:17:29.160 --> 1:17:32.679
<v Speaker 7>playing some live whatever. And one of these Sundays he

1:17:32.800 --> 1:17:36.280
<v Speaker 7>had like much of my mom's dis may this is

1:17:36.280 --> 1:17:38.560
<v Speaker 7>the first time I'm here and treator like a prostitute

1:17:38.760 --> 1:17:43.360
<v Speaker 7>a live version, and I snuffed back. I was like, Mom,

1:17:43.520 --> 1:17:46.120
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna get some potato chips and I stuck up

1:17:46.120 --> 1:17:49.080
<v Speaker 7>to him. I said, and I had one of those

1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:51.519
<v Speaker 7>like my mom's you know you always record over your

1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:53.640
<v Speaker 7>mom's tapes or whatever, And I had like one of

1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:56.000
<v Speaker 7>her old gout, like one of the gospel tapes that

1:17:56.160 --> 1:17:59.280
<v Speaker 7>she just walked from church and was like, yo, can

1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:02.080
<v Speaker 7>you can you meet me? Gods it don't be back

1:18:02.080 --> 1:18:06.800
<v Speaker 7>tomorrow for lunch. And I lived with it's a live

1:18:06.920 --> 1:18:10.320
<v Speaker 7>version of YouTube, just doing your whole routine. And I

1:18:10.479 --> 1:18:13.680
<v Speaker 7>studied that ship to the tape. Pop it popped and

1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:16.160
<v Speaker 7>I never got I gotta get that back again.

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<v Speaker 9>But yo, yo, yo, yo, that's crazy you're saying that.

1:18:19.640 --> 1:18:24.120
<v Speaker 9>I mean, you know, see when we when we treat

1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:26.559
<v Speaker 9>him like a prostitute, we were already doing that and

1:18:26.600 --> 1:18:28.360
<v Speaker 9>that was going to be the next thing we was

1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:31.360
<v Speaker 9>gonna let out and some other things that we had right.

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<v Speaker 5>But what was crazy is when I hurt Jay and

1:18:34.600 --> 1:18:35.360
<v Speaker 5>them do it with.

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<v Speaker 9>The beat, it changed the whole vibe of it. It

1:18:39.280 --> 1:18:42.000
<v Speaker 9>wasn't like the same or it wasn't the same.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Like I'm probably the only person that like when

1:18:45.240 --> 1:18:47.080
<v Speaker 7>I heard it, I was like, man, I don't want

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<v Speaker 7>it with music.

1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:50.400
<v Speaker 1>I want it with Dougie, right right, right, But.

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<v Speaker 9>You know it's crazy, it's real like that. And that's

1:18:53.160 --> 1:18:58.120
<v Speaker 9>interesting because like I said about frequency, going back to that,

1:18:58.960 --> 1:19:02.439
<v Speaker 9>it was a match of a frequency. You see see

1:19:02.479 --> 1:19:05.479
<v Speaker 9>when you doing the beat box people think is easy

1:19:05.960 --> 1:19:08.200
<v Speaker 9>or simple. It's like the way you if you're playing

1:19:08.240 --> 1:19:15.400
<v Speaker 9>the drums, you're playing to align your spirit with the

1:19:15.439 --> 1:19:18.880
<v Speaker 9>person that you're playing for. You're not playing like a

1:19:18.960 --> 1:19:23.040
<v Speaker 9>drum machine. You're playing like a spirit. So when they're

1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:26.599
<v Speaker 9>doing this and not, you gotta flow. So what Lottie

1:19:26.640 --> 1:19:32.680
<v Speaker 9>Dottie is it's to match, to match him and to

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<v Speaker 9>move with him and to make him be the best

1:19:36.320 --> 1:19:39.880
<v Speaker 9>he can be. It wasn't about me. It was about

1:19:39.920 --> 1:19:44.040
<v Speaker 9>how can how can we make this be the best?

1:19:44.240 --> 1:19:48.000
<v Speaker 9>And I had to match the way the energy move.

1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:50.720
<v Speaker 9>If I don't match the way the energy move, you're

1:19:50.800 --> 1:19:51.840
<v Speaker 9>just liking me.

1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:54.800
<v Speaker 5>But I don't just want you to like me. I

1:19:54.800 --> 1:19:56.800
<v Speaker 5>want you to like what's going on.

1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:59.880
<v Speaker 9>I want you to feel it. So it has to move,

1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:02.320
<v Speaker 9>you know what I mean? And that's how that's the

1:20:02.360 --> 1:20:05.840
<v Speaker 9>reason why I treat him like a prostitute lives better

1:20:06.280 --> 1:20:07.439
<v Speaker 9>than the drum machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes it is, how okay? So by September.

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<v Speaker 7>First of all, let me just declare that I probably

1:20:15.720 --> 1:20:19.240
<v Speaker 7>think that the show Lotti Dottie is one of the

1:20:19.280 --> 1:20:22.599
<v Speaker 7>greatest twelve inches of all time.

1:20:23.520 --> 1:20:28.920
<v Speaker 1>For any I'm afraid to ask, I pray the answers.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I hope you still own your publishing for Lottie

1:20:31.760 --> 1:20:38.240
<v Speaker 7>Dotty because it's probably the most sampled song of in

1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:39.160
<v Speaker 7>hip hop history.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I do, Yes, I do, Yes, I do.

1:20:43.320 --> 1:20:47.440
<v Speaker 9>But not only do I own all of the publishing.

1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:51.840
<v Speaker 5>I made sure Rick owns his publisher and the story

1:20:51.920 --> 1:20:53.640
<v Speaker 5>and the other side of this.

1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:58.360
<v Speaker 9>Story, which only requests love and the Supreme Team could get,

1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:02.400
<v Speaker 9>is when I made the show a quest. When I

1:21:02.439 --> 1:21:05.559
<v Speaker 9>did just having fun, I called it just having fun

1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:07.920
<v Speaker 9>because I was learning about the studio and I knew

1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:11.080
<v Speaker 9>Bobby Robinson wasn't gonna pay nobody, so I wasn't gonna

1:21:11.120 --> 1:21:13.720
<v Speaker 9>try to do everything that I could do with him.

1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:14.599
<v Speaker 5>That was number one.

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<v Speaker 9>Original human Beatbox was with Entertainment Records and Vincent Davis.

1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:23.360
<v Speaker 9>I had an argument with him because I made the

1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:26.759
<v Speaker 9>beat up and he put that bing bing link sound

1:21:26.800 --> 1:21:30.320
<v Speaker 9>in there and it sounded like I hated it.

1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, I'm gonna tell you I love the guitars.

1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:38.639
<v Speaker 9>But I hated that sound because I had a different

1:21:38.880 --> 1:21:41.639
<v Speaker 9>idea that I felt was better, and me and him

1:21:41.680 --> 1:21:45.840
<v Speaker 9>got into a conflict, so that vocal was just a practice,

1:21:46.000 --> 1:21:48.880
<v Speaker 9>a rough vocal on what I was getting ready to

1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:51.800
<v Speaker 9>come back and do better. So then I left the

1:21:51.880 --> 1:21:54.479
<v Speaker 9>studio and I started doing shows.

1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:55.759
<v Speaker 5>I stacked up.

1:21:55.680 --> 1:21:58.360
<v Speaker 9>All my money and when I went in there, I

1:21:58.479 --> 1:22:01.720
<v Speaker 9>made the show and Dotty, and when I told Rick

1:22:01.800 --> 1:22:05.000
<v Speaker 9>about the show, he said that idea is whack. That

1:22:05.040 --> 1:22:08.080
<v Speaker 9>ain't gonna work. So then I said, Rick, I said,

1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:11.120
<v Speaker 9>trust me, I know what I'm talking about, the same

1:22:11.160 --> 1:22:13.960
<v Speaker 9>way I told you that this beatbox thing is going

1:22:14.040 --> 1:22:18.519
<v Speaker 9>to work with this routine. So then what happened. He

1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:21.640
<v Speaker 9>trusted me and we went into the studio and I

1:22:21.720 --> 1:22:24.000
<v Speaker 9>made this show and I made Lottie Dotty. I took

1:22:24.000 --> 1:22:27.920
<v Speaker 9>it the Profile Records. Profile Records heard it. He said,

1:22:27.960 --> 1:22:31.320
<v Speaker 9>this is the worst music I've ever heard. He said,

1:22:31.400 --> 1:22:34.519
<v Speaker 9>who's that guy sounding like that? And what's this little

1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:37.479
<v Speaker 9>clicking sound that I keep hearing in the song?

1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:38.800
<v Speaker 5>So he said it.

1:22:38.720 --> 1:22:43.439
<v Speaker 9>To me and I said, Steve, it was It was

1:22:43.680 --> 1:22:49.760
<v Speaker 9>the owner Coo, so listen to this. So afterwards, I said,

1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:52.559
<v Speaker 9>no problem, now I paid all the money I spent

1:22:52.680 --> 1:22:55.360
<v Speaker 9>ten I had saved the ten grand I went to

1:22:55.520 --> 1:22:59.640
<v Speaker 9>Daily Planet Studio in New York. So then after that

1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:01.880
<v Speaker 9>I went and I said, man, I got to get

1:23:01.920 --> 1:23:04.799
<v Speaker 9>this record out. So I took it to WHBI. Jerry

1:23:04.840 --> 1:23:08.360
<v Speaker 9>blood Rock played it, and a couple of other guys

1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:11.160
<v Speaker 9>started getting the crazy buzz. So I went to this

1:23:11.280 --> 1:23:17.200
<v Speaker 9>label called Dain your Records, right, I said, distributed by Fantasy.

1:23:17.439 --> 1:23:20.639
<v Speaker 9>So when I went to him, I said, he said, yo,

1:23:20.760 --> 1:23:23.439
<v Speaker 9>I want to distribute the record for you. I said,

1:23:23.479 --> 1:23:27.800
<v Speaker 9>that's cool, I said, but I'm going to own it.

1:23:28.680 --> 1:23:31.640
<v Speaker 9>He said, well, I want to buy into the ownership.

1:23:31.840 --> 1:23:33.400
<v Speaker 9>I said, if you want to buy into the ownership,

1:23:33.400 --> 1:23:36.439
<v Speaker 9>you got to give me the money back that I

1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:38.800
<v Speaker 9>spent and then we can go from there.

1:23:39.200 --> 1:23:41.200
<v Speaker 5>So then what he did is he gave me the

1:23:41.240 --> 1:23:42.719
<v Speaker 5>money back, and then.

1:23:42.680 --> 1:23:46.920
<v Speaker 9>Basically I owned the master, and I brought him in

1:23:46.960 --> 1:23:49.360
<v Speaker 9>and I gave him a piece of the master. So

1:23:49.439 --> 1:23:53.439
<v Speaker 9>in eighty five, I was the first artist to ever

1:23:53.560 --> 1:23:57.639
<v Speaker 9>own their master. You see, but I learned that because

1:23:57.680 --> 1:24:01.840
<v Speaker 9>of what happened over there, and I watched it. So

1:24:01.920 --> 1:24:04.680
<v Speaker 9>when I owned the Master and I came back and

1:24:04.720 --> 1:24:07.800
<v Speaker 9>when I gave Rip half of the publishing on the show,

1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:12.439
<v Speaker 9>and we both split high for the publishing on Lottie Dottie,

1:24:12.800 --> 1:24:14.519
<v Speaker 9>and then from there we moved forward.

1:24:14.880 --> 1:24:17.720
<v Speaker 4>And then now, so was that Reality Records? Was that you?

1:24:17.960 --> 1:24:19.320
<v Speaker 4>Was that your Reality Records?

1:24:19.560 --> 1:24:22.000
<v Speaker 9>Yeah? See it went from oh and by the way,

1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:26.800
<v Speaker 9>and every record after that, I owned the master, So

1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:31.640
<v Speaker 9>it was right. So what happened is that I was

1:24:31.720 --> 1:24:35.760
<v Speaker 9>seeing what was going on, and you know, I'm like

1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:38.840
<v Speaker 9>around seventeen years old, eighteen years old, but I'm seeing

1:24:39.280 --> 1:24:42.880
<v Speaker 9>that something just didn't seem right about how people are

1:24:42.920 --> 1:24:46.439
<v Speaker 9>owning your master, Like I thought that was kind of

1:24:47.000 --> 1:24:49.519
<v Speaker 9>And then since I spent the money, I was like,

1:24:49.560 --> 1:24:51.920
<v Speaker 9>how you're gonna own it? So now the record blows up.

1:24:52.000 --> 1:24:55.920
<v Speaker 9>I go to Roxy. Cory is in Roxy. The record

1:24:56.000 --> 1:24:56.679
<v Speaker 9>is on fire.

1:24:57.040 --> 1:25:01.800
<v Speaker 5>I mean bro. When I say fire, I mean five y'all.

1:25:02.439 --> 1:25:05.479
<v Speaker 9>So now Corey comes in there and he said, Yo,

1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:06.720
<v Speaker 9>could I talk to you?

1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:08.439
<v Speaker 5>I said sure.

1:25:09.200 --> 1:25:15.840
<v Speaker 9>He said, Yo, Man, I made a mistake. Man, I

1:25:15.880 --> 1:25:19.719
<v Speaker 9>was wrong, He said, Man, this thing, I just couldn't

1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:22.519
<v Speaker 9>see it coming. He said, I was just seeing run DMC.

1:25:22.920 --> 1:25:26.840
<v Speaker 9>I couldn't see nothing. This was just so unusual. It

1:25:26.920 --> 1:25:29.400
<v Speaker 9>was so new it was, so I didn't know what

1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:32.519
<v Speaker 9>to think. I said, bro, I said, it ain't no problem.

1:25:32.920 --> 1:25:35.680
<v Speaker 9>I was just giving you the first opportunity because you

1:25:35.880 --> 1:25:39.120
<v Speaker 9>got the label. I said, it's okay. He said, Yo, man,

1:25:39.280 --> 1:25:41.479
<v Speaker 9>is it any way that we could do something else?

1:25:41.640 --> 1:25:43.640
<v Speaker 9>Are you signing anybody? I said, well, I got to

1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:47.880
<v Speaker 9>deal with I got my masters and I'm also with

1:25:48.400 --> 1:25:50.799
<v Speaker 9>the label. But it's a great deal. I got my publisher,

1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:53.160
<v Speaker 9>I got the masters. I said, but maybe we couldn't

1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:56.960
<v Speaker 9>down the road. And then after he got Dana Dan

1:25:57.400 --> 1:25:58.280
<v Speaker 9>because he wanted to.

1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:09.600
<v Speaker 4>Fame that album.

1:26:08.400 --> 1:26:11.800
<v Speaker 9>Right right, And we didn't mind because Dana was a

1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:14.519
<v Speaker 9>part of the family, you know what I mean. But

1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:20.320
<v Speaker 9>I'm just showing you how sometimes once again it's back

1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:24.320
<v Speaker 9>to that fear. He told me my record was garbage.

1:26:25.000 --> 1:26:29.600
<v Speaker 7>I was like, okay, so this this leads to my

1:26:30.120 --> 1:26:36.439
<v Speaker 7>follow up question. You two have undoubtedly created one of

1:26:36.439 --> 1:26:38.439
<v Speaker 7>the and this is not even a thing where it's

1:26:38.479 --> 1:26:41.280
<v Speaker 7>like time has to pass by before we know it's

1:26:41.280 --> 1:26:46.360
<v Speaker 7>a classic. But it's like y'all just hit us with

1:26:46.400 --> 1:26:51.000
<v Speaker 7>these two singles and then nothing else. Now of course,

1:26:51.040 --> 1:26:54.760
<v Speaker 7>with you like yes, I realized that, oh my god,

1:26:54.880 --> 1:26:58.160
<v Speaker 7>came out in eighty six, So you did come up

1:26:58.200 --> 1:26:58.920
<v Speaker 7>with an album?

1:27:00.479 --> 1:27:01.360
<v Speaker 4>Why they came back?

1:27:01.400 --> 1:27:01.600
<v Speaker 9>They did?

1:27:01.720 --> 1:27:02.360
<v Speaker 4>Sitting in my car?

1:27:02.439 --> 1:27:05.720
<v Speaker 7>They didn't come back they yeah, but like, yeah, there

1:27:05.760 --> 1:27:08.240
<v Speaker 7>were teen years later, two years he.

1:27:08.240 --> 1:27:10.920
<v Speaker 5>Was going to prison. Yeah why why did I know?

1:27:11.000 --> 1:27:14.120
<v Speaker 7>But even before prison, what was happening with Slick Rick

1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:18.439
<v Speaker 7>between nineteen eighty six in nineteen eighty nine, before he

1:27:18.520 --> 1:27:23.680
<v Speaker 7>signed the Deaf Jam? Like why why didn't why capitalize

1:27:23.840 --> 1:27:28.120
<v Speaker 7>on you know, the hottest single, making you.

1:27:28.000 --> 1:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Guys a unit? Like was that just a one off deal?

1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:36.400
<v Speaker 9>And okay, now what happened was is that to the

1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:41.599
<v Speaker 9>blame of us both? I felt that once again, like

1:27:41.680 --> 1:27:44.960
<v Speaker 9>I said, I was already established in the street, I

1:27:45.040 --> 1:27:47.640
<v Speaker 9>was moving around. I took Will and Barry and I

1:27:47.760 --> 1:27:51.080
<v Speaker 9>brought them together and that was the first time again

1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:55.920
<v Speaker 9>with two DJs DJ together at the same time. There's

1:27:56.000 --> 1:27:59.080
<v Speaker 9>never been a crew before the Gift Fresh Crew with

1:27:59.240 --> 1:28:02.599
<v Speaker 9>two DJs DJ at the same time. Get Fresh Crew

1:28:02.680 --> 1:28:06.920
<v Speaker 9>is the foundation to the executioners because that because no,

1:28:07.240 --> 1:28:12.360
<v Speaker 9>I had two sets and they're playing at the same time.

1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:16.879
<v Speaker 9>Not you get on after me. So I was really

1:28:17.560 --> 1:28:19.599
<v Speaker 9>always trying to push something new.

1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:22.719
<v Speaker 5>The Deep Box was new. I had my guys there.

1:28:23.040 --> 1:28:25.640
<v Speaker 9>I brought Rick in here, and what happened with me

1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:31.120
<v Speaker 9>and Rick was, you know, I felt that he was

1:28:31.160 --> 1:28:35.479
<v Speaker 9>accusing me of doing something that I didn't do.

1:28:36.200 --> 1:28:39.760
<v Speaker 5>He was accusing me of not He felt.

1:28:39.479 --> 1:28:42.760
<v Speaker 9>Like I was trying to make all the money of

1:28:42.880 --> 1:28:45.160
<v Speaker 9>something and that's not true. I gave him half of

1:28:45.200 --> 1:28:45.840
<v Speaker 9>the royalty.

1:28:46.160 --> 1:28:47.760
<v Speaker 5>I gave him half of the publishing.

1:28:48.240 --> 1:28:50.960
<v Speaker 9>I gave him a really good salary while he was

1:28:51.000 --> 1:28:53.680
<v Speaker 9>on the road, and also the other DJs I had

1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:56.280
<v Speaker 9>a manager. I gave him twenty percent. The agent. I

1:28:56.320 --> 1:28:58.680
<v Speaker 9>gave him, you know, the ten percent because he was

1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:02.600
<v Speaker 9>booking the shows all of these different expenses and everybody

1:29:02.640 --> 1:29:05.160
<v Speaker 9>had to, you know, get a salary. And on top

1:29:05.240 --> 1:29:08.240
<v Speaker 9>of that, I put him in on what was already

1:29:08.280 --> 1:29:13.559
<v Speaker 9>in motion. And I didn't like how we were. We

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<v Speaker 9>were like this, you know what I'm saying. And then

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<v Speaker 9>when I started to see how people was getting in

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<v Speaker 9>his head and people was coming in trying to.

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<v Speaker 5>Get into my head.

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't really like the energy. So I said, I

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<v Speaker 9>gotta pull out of this. And I didn't want no money.

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't want no producer or no override or no

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<v Speaker 9>find this speed. I was like, bro, you go ahead

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<v Speaker 9>and do what you gotta do, because the energy is

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<v Speaker 9>not feeling good no more. And I think we got

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<v Speaker 9>too much love for one another for us. I felt

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<v Speaker 9>that the magic were creating is because once again he

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<v Speaker 9>trusted me. I trusted him, and when I felt that

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<v Speaker 9>there was a violation of him trusting me bothered me.

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<v Speaker 9>And I was young and I should have just allowed

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<v Speaker 9>him to express that, but I took it personal and

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<v Speaker 9>I just say, yo, you go do your thing. And

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<v Speaker 9>then when he went over there, Russell sat him on

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<v Speaker 9>the bench for multiple years, And if we're being real,

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<v Speaker 9>it's because you know, at that time he didn't really

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<v Speaker 9>know what to do with him. And over there depth Jymp,

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<v Speaker 9>everybody was happy, but not so happy because we were

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<v Speaker 9>we were a little bit of a threat to people

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<v Speaker 9>because of the dynamics of all of the things that

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<v Speaker 9>we were bringing together. But I love Rick, so I

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<v Speaker 9>didn't want nothing but the best for him, and I

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<v Speaker 9>just felt like, you know, if the energy is not right,

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<v Speaker 9>it doesn't make sense for us to go any further.

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<v Speaker 7>Was there any conversation or reach out to you to

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<v Speaker 7>do anything on The Great Adventures Life, Like, did they

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<v Speaker 7>try to say something or no.

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<v Speaker 9>They tried to.

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<v Speaker 5>They didn't call me, but they tried to. They tried to.

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<v Speaker 9>Put me in it because if you listen to maybe

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<v Speaker 9>six or seven eight songs, my voices is throughout the

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<v Speaker 9>whole album. So they're trying to balance out the formula

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<v Speaker 9>of what it was that we created together. So when

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<v Speaker 9>people are listening to that album, they they're hearing his

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<v Speaker 9>brilliance and the excellence of the production, but they're also

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<v Speaker 9>feeling my frequency in there in a subtle way, because

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<v Speaker 9>I'm in there, you know, and I'm in multiple songs.

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<v Speaker 9>So they were trying to figure out how to bring

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<v Speaker 9>him where.

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<v Speaker 5>He needed to be. And I look at it like

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<v Speaker 5>this too.

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<v Speaker 9>To be completely transparent, I think that it was necessary

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<v Speaker 9>because Great Adventures of Slick Rick gave him the platform

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<v Speaker 9>to express things that I think was important for him

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<v Speaker 9>to express, and we probably could have figured it out.

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<v Speaker 9>But I think that would he have been what I

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<v Speaker 9>call the greatest storyteller? Could he have been that with me?

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<v Speaker 9>And could I have been the entertainer that I've grown

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<v Speaker 9>to become, Because maybe it would have been too much

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<v Speaker 9>forced from two different you know what I'm saying, two

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<v Speaker 9>different energies, and it would not really have been as

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<v Speaker 9>great as it could have been.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, I just I just know that.

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<v Speaker 9>Like and then when he was about to go to prison,

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<v Speaker 9>because he knew it was happening, I went up to

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<v Speaker 9>Neurochelle and vance Wright was up there, and I said,

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<v Speaker 9>let me hear some of his music, man, and he

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<v Speaker 9>played something in her sitting in my car, and I said, nah,

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<v Speaker 9>y'all got a drum machine. Pull that out. And he

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<v Speaker 9>was getting ready to do the same thing that he

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<v Speaker 9>did with jam Master Jay. I said, let me do it,

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<v Speaker 9>and then I put it in there, and then I

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<v Speaker 9>kept the loop in there.

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<v Speaker 5>And then when he got out.

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<v Speaker 9>Of prison after doing a long, long rough ride, I

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<v Speaker 9>was there for him to perform with him when he

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<v Speaker 9>got out in LA and I did that for him

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<v Speaker 9>to support him, you know what I mean. And then

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<v Speaker 9>I had the Senator to go up and you know,

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<v Speaker 9>make sure you didn't get depored in. And then when

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<v Speaker 9>the Senator became the governor, I brought the governor in

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<v Speaker 9>because I felt like, even though we're not together, we're

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<v Speaker 9>always together, all right, y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you want some more and we got it

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<v Speaker 3>for you.

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<v Speaker 8>That was part one of quest love Supreme's interview with

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<v Speaker 8>Dougie Fresh.

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<v Speaker 3>You ready for part two?

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<v Speaker 9>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Stay tuned's coming up West Love.

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