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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. What's Up?

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Speaker 2: This is unpaid bill from Quest Love Supreme. On Today's

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Speaker 2: Classic QLs. We travel back to January of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: two for our conversation with the legend Dougie Fresh. This

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Speaker 2: is part one.

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Speaker 1: Shall we started?

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Speaker 3: We can't do call Dog such a roll call episode?

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Speaker 1: Are you.

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Speaker 4: Yelling out?

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Speaker 1: I will think of a solution so we can get

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Speaker 1: back to role call audio.

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Speaker 5: Can you work on I actually thought.

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Speaker 6: Of one today, Like we can just we can just

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Speaker 6: do our own, our own verse ours. We can say

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Speaker 6: that yeah, and the supreme is ourselves.

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Speaker 7: But the whole thing is the reaction to you what

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Speaker 7: the other person says.

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Speaker 3: Exactly and then and then our guest wants to hear.

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Speaker 3: They can kind of get an idea.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes well okay, I think I got a good idea.

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Speaker 6: We go back into a studio in person with people

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Speaker 6: and we do our role calls there.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm good on that.

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Speaker 6: Fante, you can always be even if we're live all

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Speaker 6: together in a studio with a.

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Speaker 4: Guest being yeah, we just passed you. I'm I'm with it.

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Speaker 2: Can we make Fonte like Max headrom though, like he's

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Speaker 2: just like on a TV.

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Speaker 1: You can just see his head. Can I start this please? Oh?

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Speaker 7: No, small talk, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, that was the

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Speaker 7: small talk. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 7: Quest Love Supreme. I'm your host Quest Love and the

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Speaker 7: Supreme team is with me strong all five of you

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Speaker 7: or four of you? I still don't know the proper

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Speaker 7: number anyway. Uh unpaid bill, Congratulations, thanks friend. I think

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Speaker 7: you're Yeah, you're you're you're doing big things in your

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Speaker 7: life right now. What you got going on?

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Grammys? Uh, movies? Uh, that's it. That's all you

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Speaker 1: can ask for life jobs. I'm good.

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Speaker 7: I was like, life is good, brother, good still dropping.

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Speaker 7: I kind of kind of at the point where you were, Well,

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Speaker 7: I kind of hit a plateau in Yeah. So I'm

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Speaker 7: down probably like thirty right now. I'm down probably like

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Speaker 7: thirty seven, you know what I mean. And so I've

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Speaker 7: been just switch it up a little bit, and I'm

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Speaker 7: gonna start going meatless.

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Speaker 4: Maybe like one or two days a week, just to try,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 1: I see.

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Speaker 4: So, uh, we're we're switching it up a little bit.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm about to let you know this what my

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Speaker 7: heck I got dandy lion, garlic, spinach, and cucumber. So

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Speaker 7: hopefully this will do the trick and get me off

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Speaker 7: that plateau.

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Speaker 4: I was just gonna eat some sweet potatoes.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm gonna think less. See that'll do it.

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Speaker 4: That'll do it. Yeah, that called will put it on you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, still got the three jobs. Moving down to

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Speaker 3: where the black folks live in l A. Really excited.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you got a new apartment, talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Apartment right now?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, this is my mama house. But in LA,

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Speaker 8: I got me in a nice spot. So now my

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Speaker 8: parents got another bed sleeping. I ain't got to sleep

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Speaker 3: And I'm down with a black folks.

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Speaker 1: Where do black people live in l A?

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Speaker 8: Just if they're lucky there? They live in South LA Inglewood,

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Speaker 8: you know I live. I got I'm letting the murder

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Speaker 8: really dope. It's being highly gentrified right now because that's

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Speaker 8: where the stadium is and then putting in the train,

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Speaker 8: so LA is it really expansion gentrification on level three.

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Speaker 1: The football stadium?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I went there to see uh the last Rolling

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Speaker 7: Stones LA show. Yeah, I heard it, and I didn't

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Speaker 7: realize they dropped that joint like right in the middle

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right in Inglewood.

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Speaker 7: The second you step off the pavement, you're definitely in Inglewood.

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Speaker 8: Yes, it's not as long as that people can afford

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's yeah, right right right in the middle of it.

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Speaker 1: Steve, how are you? Yes, I'm good. How are you okay?

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Speaker 1: Where am I? How are you?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I know where you are. Okay. Let your many followers

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Speaker 1: know that you're good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, boss man, and congrats on the witch Call.

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Speaker 7: We forgot to congratulate the well the oscars and all that,

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Speaker 7: But then the short film you did shout Okay, you

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Speaker 7: didn't realize I directed a second film. Sometimes when when

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Speaker 7: when there's a little buzz on you and then people

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Speaker 7: start and you know, I got a call from a

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Speaker 7: team hove to uh settle Well. The thing was is

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Speaker 7: that I knew without something on that level, he would

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Speaker 7: not come to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 7: So I told the staff, let me direct something and

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Speaker 7: that will lure him to it.

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Speaker 1: Without that, he wouldn't have come. He would have just

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Speaker 1: you know, phoned in.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 7: This is probably the longest wow we never going to

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Speaker 7: four minutes without even acknowledging our guests right now, we haven't.

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Speaker 3: Talked in a while. We sorry, guests, we haven't talked.

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Speaker 4: It's been a minute, Okay.

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Speaker 7: So what I will quickly say about our guest today is,

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Speaker 7: if if I were compiling a list of the most

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Speaker 7: charismatic figures in hip hop or maybe in music, I

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Speaker 7: wouldn't hesitate to put this gentleman. This gentleman will probably

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Speaker 7: and I'm trying to keep the quest level hyperbole down

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Speaker 7: to a minimum, he's probably, if not in my top three,

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Speaker 7: maybe he is my number one most charismatic figure that

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Speaker 7: I know in hip hop. And the evidence of that

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Speaker 7: for me is, and I'm going beyond hip hop and

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Speaker 7: going to music, the evidence is in the in the

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Speaker 7: thirty five years that I've been fortunate enough to see

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Speaker 7: him perform. Throughout those decades, I've never not seen him

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Speaker 7: elevate any event.

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Speaker 1: To the highest level.

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Speaker 7: Like I've never seen him walk in any situation with

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Speaker 7: fear or trepidation. It's and to me, like, you know,

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Speaker 7: I'm a guy who wire overthinking, like, oh, I can't

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Speaker 7: go out there.

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Speaker 1: You know, they don't know.

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Speaker 4: Who I am.

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Speaker 7: Whatever, Like forget generational, forget genre. I've seen him rock

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Speaker 7: with you know, Prince Tom, Cruise, Heavy d Chuck Brown,

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Speaker 7: like every from every genre I've just he's the the

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Speaker 7: most charismatic and you know, stupid charismatic. Will Smith's charismatic.

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Speaker 7: I can name a gazillion Jay Z's charismatic. But you

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Speaker 7: know this, our gentleman, this, our guest today is.

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Speaker 4: The world's greatest entertainer.

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Speaker 7: Yes, literally, lady ladies and gentlemen, our guest today is

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Speaker 7: officially known for the and not for the Please give

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Speaker 7: it up for Doug E.

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Speaker 1: Fresh on Quest Left Supreme.

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Speaker 9: Flowers.

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Speaker 5: Let me tell you it is an honor.

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Speaker 9: It is an honor, and I appreciate y'all giving me,

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Speaker 9: or rather having such a long delay on the introduction

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Speaker 9: because I felt because I felt like I got caught

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Speaker 9: up with all of y'all too, and I felt like

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Speaker 9: it was family conversation and I was able to hear

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Speaker 9: it close up in person, you know. So yeah, thank

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Speaker 9: you and thank you for having me on your show, Quest,

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Speaker 9: I appreciate it. With the Supreme Team and that name,

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Speaker 9: Supreme Team HP hip Hop, for y'all to use that

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Speaker 9: name is a very powerful thing. Because back on w

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Speaker 9: HBI it was the world famous Supreme.

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Speaker 5: Team show Keys, Holla and Justice.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I know you did.

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Speaker 5: That's what look.

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Speaker 9: You are the ultimate collector. So I know that when

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Speaker 9: I mentioned something like that, you would you either know

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Speaker 9: it or you would appreciate it, you know. So I

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Speaker 9: and I appreciate you, and I appreciate you having me

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Speaker 5: Thank you know what I.

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Speaker 7: Think, even though I'm going to start before that, I

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Speaker 7: do believe that you are indeed, and I think about

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Speaker 7: till today, you are indeed the first beat boxer the

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Speaker 7: world has seen, because I believe that your cameo and

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Speaker 7: Beat Street did predate the Fat Boys. So even though

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Speaker 7: you know, a lot of the world credits Buffy, rest

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Speaker 7: all this hip hop heads that saw Beat Street in

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Speaker 7: I don't think at the time, and I remember the

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Speaker 9: It was us trying to make people kind of laugh

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Speaker 9: there and then she gave me a card. And when

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Speaker 9: she gave me a card that said Beach Street on it,

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Speaker 9: she said, do you want to be in a movie?

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Speaker 9: Because what you're doing would be unbelievable to see in

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Speaker 9: a movie. And I'm gonna tell you some information. So

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Speaker 9: and he was like, I don't care what I gotta do.

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Speaker 5: I gotta get you in this movie.

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Speaker 9: Now. Originally run DMC was supposed to be in Beach Street.

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Speaker 9: What And That's what I'm telling you. I think you know,

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Speaker 9: I'm give you the yeah, I know, Well, y'all well,

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Speaker 9: the right store tonight because this and everything and by

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Speaker 9: just so you know, it's just free. So they're right.

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Speaker 9: So but this is how it went. I was supposed

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Speaker 9: Belafonte wanted me to do something where this thing with

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Speaker 9: the beat box could be showcased. So what happened is

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Speaker 9: Run DMC and Russell came up there and they were

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Speaker 9: Russell felt good about them just doing a little segment

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Speaker 9: and d M s see and in the room. So

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Speaker 9: they started doing one of their records, the rhyms to

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Speaker 9: the second album that came out, the beat that sound

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Speaker 5: I don't know the exact song, but they was saying.

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Speaker 1: The King of Rocket album.

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Speaker 5: The next album, right, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: Right, the last song inside too.

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Speaker 5: It got done. Yeah, I got like a little it

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Speaker 9: So I'm in the elevator and we started doing it

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Speaker 5: Long story short.

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Speaker 9: I'm in there doing the beatbox and I'm doing I

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Speaker 9: And he said, Ma, that wasn't the record. That was him,

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Speaker 5: That's crazy.

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Speaker 9: I'm not doing that. You're trying to make me look crazy.

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Speaker 9: He said, I'm telling you, yo, what you just did

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Speaker 5: And that was the beginning of the Beatbox.

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Speaker 7: And that was nineteen eighty one. That was okay eighty two.

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Speaker 7: What Burrow did you premiere that in?

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Speaker 5: I premiered it in Harlem. I prepared it in Harlem.

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Speaker 9: And then after which was a fascinating piece that I

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Speaker 9: you know, you're like, you know, So what happened? Craziest story.

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Speaker 9: I was doing the Beatbox. I was on Flyers with

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Speaker 9: So now what happened is Curtis Blow was outside, and

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Speaker 9: So when Curtis Blow was there, they forgot to give

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Speaker 9: him turntables because it wasn't normal. So I'm walking down

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Speaker 9: that's Dougie Fresh right there. No Dougie, come over here.

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Speaker 9: And Curtis said to me, He said, Dougie, is it

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Speaker 9: there was nothing. I was standing there. I was like

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Speaker 9: with him. Are you crazy? I was like, oh, mister Blow, Uh,

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Speaker 9: no problem, sir, I'm reckon do that right, sir. That

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Speaker 9: I got on and when I got on, Frankie Krocker

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Speaker 9: so it was probably like fifteen thousand people outside. I

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Speaker 5: And that was way before the fire Boys.

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Speaker 1: Okay, se y'all did see ya.

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Speaker 9: That's why I'm giving you that feet.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 9: And then I asked them later.

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Speaker 5: I asked some later.

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Speaker 9: I said, curt when you did this and you know

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Speaker 9: that I create, you know you know that I did this,

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Speaker 9: I said, it didn't feel a little funny with you

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Speaker 9: in there doing doing He said, Dougie, you know, he

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Speaker 5: And he said, I.

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Speaker 9: Said, I'm just trying to understand. I said, did you

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Speaker 9: He said, Dougie, it was just so crazy. I was

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Speaker 9: under so much. I said, I don't worry about it, man,

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Speaker 9: I said, I just wanted to know, you know what

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Speaker 9: about you when you do something, see you, you're trying

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Speaker 5: I just it found me.

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Speaker 8: And there had to be a life lesson in that though, Doug,

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Speaker 8: don't you feel like at the end of the days

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Speaker 8: You feel like, in retrospect, was there some type of

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Speaker 8: life lesson and that, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 9: Know what's interesting with the life lesson? I always feel

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Speaker 9: If the music program was never cut at I is

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Speaker 9: would I have created the beat box? I don't know.

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Speaker 9: And then on top of that, what's really fascinating is

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Speaker 9: Why brother Lee is also a jazz musician whose brother

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Speaker 1: Billy was your teacher.

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Speaker 9: Malcolm Lee's father was your music teacher. And then guess

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Speaker 9: what when when I made my records and I came out,

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Speaker 9: I found out.

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Speaker 5: I said, I got to talk to Brother Lee and

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Speaker 5: I'm going.

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Speaker 9: To ask you what was you gonna say?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm I'm the.

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Speaker 5: Trumpet about.

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Speaker 9: I said, I said, Brother Lee, I'm getting ready to

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Speaker 9: perform at Madison Square Garden. I said, I want you

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Speaker 9: beatbox and I made it up because of you having

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Speaker 9: me play the trumpet. And I said, you know, I

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Speaker 9: I'm so proud of you. He said, but man, I

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Speaker 9: He was a jazz physician. He said, I might be

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Speaker 9: too much for me. I said, well, I just want

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Speaker 9: you to know that what you did and what and

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Speaker 9: what happened from from the way all of these things

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Speaker 9: landed turn this thing into something that in hip hop

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Speaker 9: we call the fifth element. And I just want you

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Speaker 9: to know that you are the reason or one of

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Speaker 9: the reasons how this thing became what it is, and

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Speaker 9: it was the deepest thing in the world. And then

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Speaker 9: I wound up working with his son Malcolm on Girl

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Speaker 9: Trip and and and it's fascinating circle ties together.

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Speaker 7: I have a theory, especially in hip hop, those who pioneer,

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Speaker 1: Those who go second always get the shine.

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Speaker 7: So yes, I think in this case, because we technically

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Speaker 7: think of you as the second, you also improved or

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Speaker 7: be boxing even though you were the first, and even

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Speaker 7: though you came out with a single, the original Human

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Speaker 7: Betpop whatever, Right, I still say that, you know, it's

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Speaker 7: a good thing you came second, because I don't know why.

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Speaker 7: But it's just like, you know, Marley Marrole started the

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Speaker 7: noise thing, but then the Bomb Squad came in and

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Speaker 7: really started the noise thing.

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Speaker 5: You know, they weren't there right right.

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Speaker 7: East, these first white rappers, and yeah they had success,

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Speaker 7: but Eminem really like, whoever does it second in hip

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Speaker 7: hop always capitalizes it better. We gotta stuff from the beginning.

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Speaker 7: First of all, where were you born? Where were you born?

442
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Speaker 9: I was born here in the US, but as a kid,

443
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 9: I was taken back and forth to Barbados. So it's

444
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Speaker 9: kind of like you would consider it kind of like

445
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Speaker 9: a dual dig it citizenship in a kind of a way,

446
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Speaker 9: you know, because as a kid, that's how my parents

447
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 9: kind of moved. And then my grandfather's from Trinidad and

448
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 9: my grandma's from Barbados, so they was kind of they

449
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Speaker 9: didn't know whether I should stay in Barbados or should

450
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Speaker 9: I be.

451
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Speaker 7: So then I'll ask you then when people are asking

452
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Speaker 7: you about the origins of hip hop and being as

453
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Speaker 7: though a lot of the first generation of that culture came.

454
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Speaker 1: From the Islands.

455
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Speaker 7: Do you do you what is your true belief on

456
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Speaker 7: where hip hop was born? Is it the Bronx or

457
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Speaker 7: do we have to say that technically you know the

458
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Speaker 7: composites of all the residents of the islands, that's where

459
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Speaker 7: it was born. And what are you seeing on these

460
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Speaker 7: islands that lead you Because something's happening there that's bringing

461
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Speaker 7: it to America.

462
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Speaker 5: So right, right, it's a very interesting question.

463
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Speaker 9: Well, my sister introduced me to hip hop here in

464
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Speaker 9: the US, but my family was so diverse in their

465
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 9: music selection that it made it easy for me to

466
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Speaker 9: take Soca reggae and Go Go and R and B

467
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 9: and all of these other musics, and it just it.

468
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Speaker 5: Was just one of these things.

469
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Speaker 9: Where you're influenced by all of these things, but in

470
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Speaker 9: the form of hip hop in the way that I

471
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Speaker 9: learned it, because I am the first child of the

472
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 9: first generation in hip hop, meaning that I am the

473
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 9: beginning of like all of these people that came before me.

474
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Speaker 9: I learned from DJ Hollywood. So my sister came home

475
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Speaker 9: and said, there is this guy named DJ Hollywood who's rapping.

476
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 9: I said, let me hear what he say. She said,

477
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Speaker 9: he go ring a dinger ding the dong the dong dong,

478
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 9: the dang the dang dang d ding the dong dong

479
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Speaker 9: to the hip hop.

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Speaker 5: She wopped the box before.

481
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Speaker 9: Anything I've ever heard, and when she told me, say

482
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Speaker 9: it again, say it again, and I'm trying to catch it.

483
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 9: Then my brother brought in a tape with Grandma's top

484
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 9: flies in the series five. And when he brought these

485
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 9: pieces in and then my family lived in the Bronx

486
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Speaker 9: and also in Harlem. So the point I'm making is

487
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Speaker 9: that in the form that I learned hip hop here,

488
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 9: meaning like I think the influence goes back way further

489
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Speaker 9: than we really understand stand. But the pieces that I

490
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 9: learned from watching Hollywood, watching Our love Bugstarsky, being able

491
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 9: to sit on the side of the stage at Harlem

492
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Speaker 9: World when Busy the Battle Kumo d being there in

493
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Speaker 9: the contest. I was in that contest in eighty one.

494
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Speaker 9: So we were taking all of these elements as far

495
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Speaker 9: as like weird it it originate, It originated in Harlem,

496
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Speaker 9: it originated in the Bronx, it originated in Brooklyn.

497
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Speaker 5: There was movements going on all over.

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Speaker 8: Do you guys attribute as we we have some historians here,

499
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Speaker 8: I'm curious. I'm like, do you attribute any of this

500
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 8: to like scatting and at all? Or do you just

501
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 8: go straight to.

502
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Speaker 9: The well, that's what I'm saying on the levels, because see,

503
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Speaker 9: if you're looking at it on the levels that I'm

504
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 9: talking about, you could say Calypso and Soca, our original storytellers.

505
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 9: You could say Yellow Man and Nico Demus, and you

506
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 9: can go back even further than that, but just use

507
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Speaker 9: them as a blue print. I'm getting married and the morning,

508
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 9: you know, like like all of these different pieces is

509
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 9: what made up what we do. And then even and

510
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 9: this is my experience, you know that that I seen

511
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 9: all of these elements come together, and they were influencing me.

512
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Speaker 9: Whenever I would go to a certain borough in the Bronx,

513
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 9: I would get a particular kind of hip hop. When

514
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 9: I'm in Harlem, I watch Hollywood burn the Apollo down. See,

515
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 9: Hollywood is the architect of crowd participation, and I learned

516
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 9: I learned the skill directly from him. So I know

517
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 9: I know things about it that nobody You will never

518
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 9: know this because it doesn't exist.

519
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 5: Any like he had it.

520
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 9: He gave it to me, and I understand the dynamics

521
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 9: of it that like be another kid might not like

522
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 9: Batman's school grew up watching me, so he understands some

523
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 9: of the dynamics of it. So what I'm saying is

524
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 9: is that it just kept evolving because everybody was doing

525
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 9: it in their own experience.

526
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 5: So I can only respond to the experience that I had.

527
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 9: But I was in all of the burrows, most of

528
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 9: the burrows, studying it, you know.

529
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Speaker 7: Okay, So that leads me to what I said at

530
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Speaker 7: the at the top of the show, which is the

531
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Speaker 7: thing that I admire and the thing that I want

532
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 7: to learn from you the most. Tarik actually learned this

533
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 7: from you. You have a way of commanding the crowd

534
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 7: that's not forced because usually in hip hop people have

535
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 7: to at least the modus operandi. Yeah, the motus operandi

536
00:29:52,160 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 7: r come. It's a full twelve yelling and like the

537
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Speaker 7: idea of what you imagine, like Freddie Fox to be

538
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Speaker 7: like shoe off the microphone.

539
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: But you, but you are.

540
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Speaker 7: So the thing that made me pay attention to your

541
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 7: your crowd control. And the thing is is like the

542
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 7: one level that I lack in my life journey is

543
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Speaker 7: the ability to really communicate in a way that I'm

544
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 7: not in my head like you know, because this is

545
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 7: the thing, like right before I address a crowd or whatever,

546
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 7: suddenly I'm in my head, like, man, I want to

547
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 7: look like a nut out here.

548
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: So what I want to.

549
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Speaker 7: Know is I'm certain now that this is like your

550
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 7: fourth decade in the industry, that now you just do

551
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 7: it out off of muscle in marine, like you know

552
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 7: how to capture the crowd. But in those first ten years,

553
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 7: like even without the show in Lottie Dottie, Like, in

554
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 7: those first ten years, how are you psyching yourself up?

555
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 7: Because you, you, to me, are like hip hop's true version.

556
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 7: I've seen most stuff do this. Also, you're the true

557
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 7: version of like when I watch a comedian do crowd work.

558
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 7: You know, even without a single, without a song, you

559
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 7: walk on the stage, you know how to engage the crowd,

560
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 7: how to talk to them, things to do, and it

561
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 7: always works.

562
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: Like I know you've seen you learn it from Hollywood.

563
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 7: But for the first ten years, like the first five years, say, okay,

564
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 7: right before the show eighty four, you're doing CrowdWork, Like

565
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 7: what are you saying to yourself before Like are you

566
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 7: ever nervous in any situation like damn, who I got tonight?

567
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: A bunch of white people at a corporate party? Like

568
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: how do I do this?

569
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 8: Like?

570
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 9: Wow, right, I remember we did that.

571
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 5: We did a corporate party together one time. I remember

572
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 5: that time.

573
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 7: There's no crowd, you can't frock. So what is your

574
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 7: what is your motivational? I need the motivational talk on

575
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 7: how you deal with crowd work and why do you

576
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 7: do so well?

577
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 9: I used to see Apollo want to sing a come

578
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 9: out and he sing and I watched him practice before

579
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 9: he got on. He'll be like this.

580
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 5: I believe he's singing the notes and everything is tight.

581
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 9: It's he's pictures perfect. When the showtime starts and he

582
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 9: walks out there, I believe it.

583
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 5: And the audience boom right before he even finishes.

584
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 9: It's because they feel the frequency of fear. And when

585
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 9: they smell it and they feel it, they automatically get

586
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 9: out of here.

587
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 5: Man, Yo, were you don't believe it?

588
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 4: You don't believe it?

589
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 5: We believe get out, yo.

590
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 9: Who's next? Now? If it's a little kid, If it's

591
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 9: a little kid, it's fascinating. Little kid get up there

592
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 9: and he'll be like I believe they'd be like, all right,

593
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 9: come on, shorty, you're gonna do it. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah,

594
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 9: it's encouragement because he's a younger kid, you see what

595
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 9: I'm saying. And they don't want to boo him because

596
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 9: they want to build him up to be come as

597
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 9: great as they see him having the confidence to at

598
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 9: least get up on that stage. But if it's an

599
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 9: if it's a person who is giving, like coming up

600
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 9: there and you start singing and they feel fear, the

601
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 9: frequency automatically makes them boom. So through these little lessons,

602
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 9: I advance the technology that I learned from Hollywood, and

603
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 9: I learned from love Buck and Busy B and I,

604
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 9: and I was able to change. I guess, like you said,

605
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 9: I played with it so much that I don't even

606
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 9: think about the frequency. I feel the frequency and I

607
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 9: just respond to the frequency, or I make the frequency

608
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 9: what I wanted to be right, and I'm and I

609
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 9: bring you to that frequency.

610
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying. It's interesting.

611
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 8: Can you tell us what you feel like in your body?

612
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 8: Is this is going on like in your body?

613
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 9: Don't you tell us?

614
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 7: How do you how do you talk yourself out of fear? Okay,

615
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 7: all right to read no, no, no for real.

616
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 5: That's a good question.

617
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Speaker 1: As it is taping.

618
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 7: Tarika has left the Tonight Show for four months, so

619
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 7: thus forcing me in a position where I have to

620
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 7: address the audience something I hate doing.

621
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

622
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's that I feel Hollywood or

623
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 7: feel you know, like ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the

624
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 7: ROUTO did well?

625
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 9: See that's the part right there. That's the part right

626
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 9: there where it goes wrong. See. The fear is because

627
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 9: you're doing something and being something that's not as authentic

628
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 9: as you.

629
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 5: So the key is to be you and to.

630
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 9: Be you as best like be you and enjoy being you,

631
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 9: and don't make it like you're trying to fit into

632
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 9: something and replace it. Don't replace anything, just be you.

633
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 9: And the energy is so honest that people will feel

634
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 9: that frequency and they will accept it and make it

635
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 9: what it is, like the same way, like your conversation

636
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 9: now is so real that it's making me respond to

637
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 9: you like I'm responding because I can feel what you're saying,

638
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 9: and because I feel it, it makes me talk to

639
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 9: you like this. And that is the same thing you

640
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 9: have to do. And fear comes from your thinking, don't think,

641
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 9: feel it and be you when you think. That's where

642
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 9: fear lives. Fear live in thought. Fear can't exist when

643
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 9: it's just pure energy and truth. See, fear and truth can't.

644
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 9: Fear and truth can never be in the same room

645
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 9: together because truth exposes care. You see what I'm saying.

646
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 9: So as much as you be yourself, fear can't be around.

647
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 9: Like right now, I'm telling y'all the truth, and it

648
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 9: doesn't matter to me how you feel.

649
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 5: About my truth because it's truth.

650
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 9: Now, if I was fearful, it's because I want you

651
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 9: to feel a particular way about me. But I'm not

652
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 9: concerned with your feelings right now. I'm only concerned with

653
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 9: making sure you feel the truth. And when you.

654
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 5: Feel the truth, you can determine how you feel about me.

655
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 9: You may like me, you may not, but guess what,

656
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 9: you know what you gonna get when you deal with me.

657
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 5: You understand truth.

658
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 9: Right And I'm saying and I'm saying it in this

659
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 9: way to make you understand that your.

660
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 5: Truth is good. Your truth is good.

661
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 9: And you don't like he that's that's his space, but

662
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 9: your space is you know, you're coming from a completely

663
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 9: different space and that space you're coming from. It's a

664
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 9: good space. You just don't know it because you haven't

665
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 9: been using it. You understand what I'm.

666
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 7: Saying, being for use it right now so you know,

667
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 7: we will see how it goes till.

668
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 8: I feel like at some point, even for Dougie Fresh,

669
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 8: there's an energy in your body that you may have

670
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 8: to either suppress for the moment or figure you know

671
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 8: what I mean, Like it's something different going on in

672
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 8: here sometimes than out there to get to what they need.

673
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 5: But given what they need right you're.

674
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 9: Always you know the reason why the energy is not

675
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 9: bothering me because my level of focus is on what

676
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 9: I want, and what I want is I want to

677
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 9: save a life. I want to fix this problem. See

678
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 9: what happens is this when people are dealing. And it's

679
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 9: a fascinating how this all ties in together. Because see,

680
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 9: when a person panics, the panic stops them from making

681
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 9: a disc that they would have made if they didn't panic.

682
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 9: So if a person can focus on what they're doing,

683
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 9: panic can't get in because you're focused on what you're doing.

684
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 9: Now you'll feel things. Panic could be at the door knocking,

685
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 9: but you're focused and it's it's It's part of a

686
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 9: I guess a technique. Like even like when I work out, right,

687
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 9: say I run, I run, and I don't use no music.

688
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 5: And sometimes what I do is when I'm running, I'm.

689
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 9: Taking my mind and I'm focusing on something and I'm

690
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 9: training it to focus on that. And you know how

691
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 9: the mind work, there's always a new thought that come in.

692
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 9: Even when somebody's talking to you, there's a new thought.

693
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 9: But I train my mind to block all the things,

694
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 9: and I am focused on that. And when I'm ready,

695
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 9: I will let you tell me what I will let

696
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 9: And I hope I ain't bugging y'all out, but okay, okay,

697
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 9: I will.

698
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: I will.

699
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 9: I will decide when I want that thought to come in,

700
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 9: and I decide if I want that thought or use

701
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 9: that thought because the focus is what is what I'm

702
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 9: looking at. And in order for me to be effective

703
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 9: at that thing that I'm doing, I have to stay focused.

704
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 9: If I'm performing and something is going on and I'm

705
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 9: not focused on the audience, let's say I'm I'm too divided,

706
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 9: you know what I mean. I'm trying to, you know,

707
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 9: get this happening. I'm trying to get my man in

708
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 9: the club. I'm trying to make sure my girl is situated.

709
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 9: I'm trying to make sure yo yo yo yo sound

710
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 9: man like it's too much. So if you're able to

711
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 9: take and focus on something, the impact of it is powerful.

712
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 9: And then when you're focused on it and you trage

713
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 9: your mind to think like that, then what happens is

714
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 9: that there's no fear in it because you're focused, and

715
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 9: there's no panic because that thing you're focused on is

716
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 9: the only thing that matter.

717
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: Think about are meditation.

718
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: I was about to say, a marriage sound like what

719
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: we talk about.

720
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 9: I don't have no problems with it, but I guess

721
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 9: in a form I do what kind of I guess

722
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 9: it's like a form of meditation, because when I'm running,

723
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 9: I may be running for seventy minutes, sixty minutes, ninety minutes,

724
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 9: and every time my mind is trying to take me

725
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 9: someplace else, I'd be like, no, no, no, no, we're

726
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 9: staying here.

727
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're doing it.

728
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 5: I keep grabbing it meditation, and I put it right back.

729
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 9: I go like this, no, right here, And then I

730
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 9: practice it so much to the point that people don't

731
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 9: know how hard it is to think about the same thing.

732
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 5: For ten minutes with any interruptions, just ten minutes.

733
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: If they try to meditate, they know it.

734
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 5: That's what. Yeah.

735
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I kind of incorporate that in a lot

736
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 9: of things because I feel like fear is not real,

737
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 9: but it's real to you when you're going through it.

738
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 9: So if I'm able to, you know, control the outcome

739
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 9: by my focus, then fear can't get in there. So

740
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 9: if I'm dealing with a situation like city college, if

741
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 9: I'm dealing with a situation where I see somebody who

742
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 9: got shot at a club or a family member instead

743
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 9: of me, kind of king, I'm focused and I deal

744
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 9: with that, and it's I'm so focused that I'm not

745
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 9: allowing nothing to stop me. And anybody that's giving me anything,

746
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 9: I can hear when it's something I need, but if it's, ah,

747
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 9: oh my god, I don't need that, you know, meaning

748
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 9: like if you said so, Doug, I got to ride

749
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 9: for so and so I can hear you and I

750
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 9: would grab the person and put them in the ride.

751
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 9: So it's a focus for being able to understand what's necessary.

752
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 5: I don't know if I went too far with.

753
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 9: This, but I mean.

754
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 7: It's an earful Yeah, A question for you, Doug, because

755
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 7: you've you know, in terms of your faith, because we

756
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 7: know that you've been involved with like scientology for a while.

757
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 7: Is that having that kind of focus, Is that something

758
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 7: that you know you learned in that faith? How does

759
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 7: that help you as an entertainer?

760
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 9: It's funny, that's a that's a real good question, bro.

761
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 9: You know what, I didn't get that from scientology. I

762
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 9: discovered it from just running, you know. And I'm running,

763
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 9: like my running is the thing I love to do,

764
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 9: you know. So when I'm running, I started to discover

765
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 9: how my mind is all over the place trying to

766
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 9: keep itself busy because I'm trying you know, you're running

767
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 9: it he's trying to breathe and so so all of

768
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 9: a sudden, I said, Yo, the mine is panic ging, Yo, doggie,

769
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 9: why are you pushing me like this? Yo? You know

770
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 9: this is too heavy?

771
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 5: So why you got me? And then I would like this,

772
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 5: shut up, bro, shut up, shut up, shut up.

773
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 9: Like all right, and I'll be like we're doing this

774
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 9: right here, and now I want you to relax, don't panic,

775
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 9: and breathe and and and not to the degree to

776
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 9: say if I needed to slow down, you slow down.

777
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 9: But don't panic. See that's the part that piece right there.

778
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 9: Don't panic you See what I'm.

779
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 7: Saying A good buddy of mine is it's actually your too, DJ,

780
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 7: my man, DJ skills.

781
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 4: That's that's my guy.

782
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 5: Oh that's a bad man.

783
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 9: That's a bad man.

784
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a bad bad Yeah. And he was telling me, uh,

785
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 7: going out with you. He was like, yeah, Dougie, he

786
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 7: will work out before the show. He always tells me like, Yo, Doug,

787
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 7: workout or you'll run or whatever for the show.

788
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: Shower kind of have your time and then you do it.

789
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: So I always highly of you. Man.

790
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 7: Well, I think when you mentioned when we mentioned meditation earlier,

791
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 7: what I what I do know is the sort of

792
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 7: common factor, the reason why people jog, the reason why

793
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 7: we work out, the reason you know.

794
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I've said in.

795
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 7: Past episodes about like advanced breathing techniques and sexual activity,

796
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 7: like anything that causes you, yes, anything that causes you

797
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 7: to breathe, like it's your last breath. Somehow your mind

798
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 7: your mind goes into another which is another is weird

799
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 7: to say.

800
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: I kind of want to know.

801
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 7: I don't want to know, but I do want to

802
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 7: know what what the mind state is to a person

803
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 7: that's about to drown, because I also believe I almost drowned.

804
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 9: That's how I came That's another that's how I came

805
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 9: up with this. I said, kid almost dropped, almost dropped

806
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 9: the Central Park Lake.

807
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 5: Me and two of my friends took a little boat.

808
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 5: We took one of them little boats. He was cutting school.

809
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 9: They talked me into it, and I jumped on the

810
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 9: boat with him, and we didn't even have use was

811
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 9: pushing out with a little log, and then all of

812
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 9: a sudden, one he had heard the siren, so he

813
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 9: knew he wasn't supposed to be doing nothing.

814
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 5: So he had fear.

815
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 9: He jumped into that water. He started swimming, and so

816
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 9: when he jumped, the boat pushed back, and all of

817
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 9: a sudden, the other one was there. I said, man,

818
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 9: I ain't jumping in that water. Come on me and

819
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 9: you let's just roll back. And all a sudden he's like, yo,

820
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 9: come on, man, come on. So his fear he transferred

821
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 9: it to his cousin. His cousin jumped out the boat

822
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 9: started swimming. Then he said, oh, come on, man, the

823
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 9: cops is gonna get us. I'm telling you, the cops

824
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 9: gonna get you. You know, here. We are young. I said, man,

825
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 9: I don't care what he saying. I'm rolling this damp boat,

826
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 9: you know. So I get closer to the ship. I

827
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 9: think that I'm getting I'm close enough. He's panicking. I

828
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 9: allowed his fear to get in me. I jumped in

829
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 9: the water. I'm doggy podder. I'm saying, this is close enough.

830
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 9: I think I'm good. And I put my feet down

831
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 9: under me, thinking that the ground was there.

832
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 5: There wasn't no ground. There wasn't no ground.

833
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 9: It wasn't no ground. And I started, right, wow, I

834
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 9: mean when i'm and then my man came in and

835
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 9: he grabbed me and pulled me in right.

836
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 5: And when he pulled me in, I'm spinning.

837
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 9: I'm spinning the water up. So now when I go

838
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 9: to the pool, and this is a real story, I'm

839
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 9: over here.

840
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 5: Everybody's in the five.

841
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 9: Feet sixteen you know, summertime pool is with everybody else. Girl,

842
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 9: I'm over in the little four feet or the three feet,

843
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 9: sitting in here with my feet water. I'm just shook.

844
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 9: I'm just shook, like to my point it was crazy.

845
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 9: Then I said, I can't live my life like this.

846
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 9: This is crazy. I said, this is not even this

847
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 9: makes me feel crazy. Every time I'm getting in water,

848
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 9: I'm shuk. So that one day I went to Hawaii

849
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 9: to to go do a show because this was on

850
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 9: for a while. I got in a WHI the dude

851
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 9: was sitting out on the raft and my man, my

852
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 9: sound man, said, Yo, come swim out. Man, Yo, come

853
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 9: come out here. So I said, I said, all right,

854
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 9: I got to break this. I jump in the water

855
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 9: and I swim out. I get to the raft. He

856
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 9: said there, talk to me. Asked me like two different things.

857
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 9: He said, well, I gotta go. I'm jumping off the raft.

858
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 9: He jump off the raft and he swims back to

859
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 9: the to the beach. I'm sitting there going, damn, this

860
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 9: is crazy. I gotta go all the way back now.

861
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 5: So I jump.

862
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 9: So I jump in the water and I started swimming.

863
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 9: And when I started swimming, I said, I stopped. And

864
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 9: then I lay in the water and I'm floating and

865
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 9: I said, wow, now I get it. I said. The

866
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 9: reason why I almost drowned, it's not because I can't swim.

867
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 9: It's because I panicked. And when I panicked, it took

868
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 9: everything out of me. It made me not think, It

869
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 9: just made me.

870
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 5: Just how stired here.

871
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, it took everything out of me. And I said,

872
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 9: if I relax, if I breathe, and if I trust myself,

873
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 9: and if I allow this to make sure that that

874
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 9: fear is not there, then it's not as hard. And

875
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 9: that lesson is the lesson that I have applied in

876
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 9: every aspect of my life, from that time that I

877
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 9: drown to the time that I discovered that. And then

878
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 9: I learned that when you run, even when you breathe

879
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 9: it most people stop running because they panic when they're breathing.

880
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 9: It's getting cut short, right, So the key is to

881
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 9: think and focus on the breathing and then you relax,

882
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 9: the same way if a person is you know, you

883
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 9: know you're going into a stressful situation.

884
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 5: You have to relax and then the energy will flow.

885
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 5: And I mean, I hate to say it like this suit,

886
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 5: but we're keeping it real on this little com y'all.

887
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 9: Y'all took me.

888
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 5: I didn't even think.

889
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 9: But even if you're losing the fireproom, bro, if you don't.

890
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 7: Die, you don't and there's a Dougie fresh.

891
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 5: Like you're sitting there like this.

892
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: I don't want nobody to have me.

893
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 9: I don't want nobody to see me, and then I

894
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 9: ain't gotta go. You see what I'm saying. But until

895
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 9: i'm I'm keeping it so real. And I know y'all

896
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 9: know it's true that if you don't relax, y'all, if

897
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 9: you don't relax, it's crazy. So that's a that's a

898
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 9: big part of controlling fear. You can't control fear unless

899
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 9: you relax.

900
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: We got to get to the show eventually, But I

901
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: do have one question. You mentioned.

902
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 7: A legendary Harlem figure that I don't know anything about

903
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 7: besides his record labels, But could you please like we've

904
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 7: heard everything about Jersey and Sugar Sugar Hill with Sylvia

905
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 7: and Bobby in Jersey, but a lot of people don't

906
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 7: know that the Bobby Robinson that runs Enjoy Records is

907
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 7: another Bobby Robinson I know nothing about. And you know,

908
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 7: I'm a fan of the Godfather of Harlem and Bobby

909
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 7: Robinson's character this season, Yeah, he's been Yeah, Bobby Robinson's

910
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 7: sort of been a figure in the first In the

911
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 7: second season, he owns a local record store.

912
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 4: Obviously, Okay, I saw the first season.

913
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 7: So obviously you know, like I can see like you

914
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 7: own a record store, and then you start your label.

915
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: Oh YadA YadA, YadA woo.

916
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 7: But can you talk about Bobby Robinson and what he

917
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 7: meant to the community of Harlem, like and your dealings

918
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 7: with him, Like what was he like?

919
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 9: Bobby? Bobby Robinson was a very mild mannered, low key,

920
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 9: community friendly guy who was not a very big guy.

921
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 5: But he was a guy that.

922
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 9: All of us respected because he had his own record shop.

923
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 9: He would go to his record shop, he had the

924
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 9: Mamo Pop Record Shop, and you would you would hear

925
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 9: everything that came out from the Treacher's Free, from the Feelers,

926
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 9: from Coolkow, from anybody from Funky four. And he was

927
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 9: the first guy out there doing it. But the problem

928
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 9: is is that in the community, Bobby Robinson was also

929
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 9: known as a guy who did not pay and he

930
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 9: did not pay no rappers. So so I when I

931
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 9: did the deal with him, I got some money up

932
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 9: front from him because I knew based on the history

933
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 9: of what he did with the trust. I used to

934
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 9: sit in Bobby Robinson's record shop and watch Treacher's Three

935
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 9: come in there, and LA would be like, Joe, we're

936
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 9: Bobby Man, I'm looking for my money.

937
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 8: Man.

938
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 9: I would watch mo d coming, it goes Bobby in here, Yo,

939
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 9: where's he at? And I would watch how.

940
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 5: People respected Bobby because he was.

941
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 9: The guy who looked like he knew more than us

942
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 9: we were kids, but it looked like he didn't either

943
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 9: explain what was going on, or he was doing things

944
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 9: and didn't really come clean on what he was doing.

945
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 5: Can you under saying.

946
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 7: Okay, so okay, So nineteen eighty one and I get

947
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 7: a deal with Enjoy Records? What how's the deal broker?

948
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: Like? What is housing k or fair deal for Enjoy Records?

949
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 7: Are you giving me and you're Bobby Robinson, are you

950
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 7: giving me and my crew like five hundred bucks to

951
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 7: do one side? Or like, what's what kind of deal

952
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 7: my striking with you? If you're Bobby Robinson? I want

953
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 7: to make a rap record.

954
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 5: Bobby Robinson is not giving you a deal where you

955
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 5: really know what.

956
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 9: You're gonna get. You might get ten center record, you

957
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 9: might get twelve cents a record or fifteen cents a record,

958
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 9: But he is not sitting down with a lawyer and

959
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 9: going through a deal with you. He know you're a

960
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 9: hungry young kid who could rap, and he's just trying

961
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 9: to put the record out and he's saying, no, here,

962
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 9: sign this and we're gonna work it out. And there's

963
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 9: no way for you to take account to how many

964
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 9: records he sold because he's selling them out the trunk

965
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 9: or he's passing them around.

966
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 5: As to mom and pop distribution.

967
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 9: Bobby Robinson was a guy that for me, I watch

968
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 9: every hit pop artists that he had signed, from Grandmaster

969
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 9: Flash to Funkie four to Treacherous three and feel his four.

970
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 9: I watched all of them. He had them all and

971
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 9: he never dealt with them in a way that they

972
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 9: felt confident that they were going to get compensated for

973
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 9: their music. And with me, I just did one single

974
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 9: with him with two sided, because I did get Fresh

975
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 9: Doug on the other side, because I needed to have

976
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 9: something out because I seen what was going on in

977
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 9: regards to people believing that I might have got it

978
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 9: from Fat Boys, which originally was Disco three. So when

979
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 9: I got with him, it was only for strategic purposes.

980
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 5: It wasn't he.

981
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 9: I knew that Bobby Robinson was not a guy that

982
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 9: would pay you, and he would not. He was not

983
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 9: a guy that you could see yourself making money with.

984
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 7: So you went with enjoyed, just so that you could

985
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 7: stop the bleeding of the fat boys being the soul

986
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 7: creators of the beat box, Like I gotta get in

987
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 7: the Okay, I get it marketing right right.

988
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 9: So I strategically, I said, if I hit him with

989
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 9: the movie, if I hit him with just having fun

990
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 9: and Get Fresh tough, because remember I said, for all

991
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 9: the sounds you bet boxes are doing, all you bit

992
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 9: from me, I should be sewing some say yay what

993
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 9: they should be going. From the time you hit this robing,

994
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 9: your career is ruined. That's the way I opened it up,

995
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 9: you know what I mean. And then and so once

996
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 9: I did that, it was to make people know. And

997
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 9: then out in Long Island in eighty two, I met

998
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 9: Biz and then I would have Biz with me everywhere

999
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 9: because Biz was coming to my house and he was

1000
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 9: going to the store for my mother. He was going

1001
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 9: to the store for my grandmother. And he was up

1002
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 9: under me because he was trying to learn the beat box.

1003
00:55:54,400 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 5: So I had him there you talking, yes, business, Biz

1004
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 5: was This is one of the members, the first members

1005
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 5: of the Get Fresh Crow.

1006
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 4: Did not know.

1007
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 9: You that.

1008
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 5: That's my brother. I love him. He's on this new

1009
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 5: album that I just let out. I mean, that's one

1010
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 5: of our list times together. And then and and he's

1011
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 5: his family, you know what I mean.

1012
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 9: So and then eventually and then it got a little

1013
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 9: weird because he's trying to do the beat box. I'm

1014
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 9: doing it and I'm like, yo, Biz, you know you're

1015
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 9: biting straight up.

1016
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 5: I can't let you do that.

1017
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 9: And he's like, all right, all right. And then that's

1018
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 9: when he went to Magic. But I was with Magic first.

1019
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 9: But Magic was trying to get me to battle everybody.

1020
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 9: So I didn't like that. I didn't like how Magic

1021
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 9: was trying to get me to go in there and

1022
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 9: battle every single person that he had. That that he

1023
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 9: didn't like because he was getting high at the time

1024
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 9: and he.

1025
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 5: Wasn't the same as the magic from w HBI, you

1026
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 5: know what I mean.

1027
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 7: Doug one more enjoyed eraror question that I gotta know about,

1028
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 7: you know, because I come from a lineage of musicianship,

1029
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 7: you know, and all respect to Keith le Blancin and

1030
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 7: Doug win Bush of sugar Hill.

1031
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 5: To talking about Pumpkin, Baby.

1032
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: Pumpkins.

1033
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 7: So for our listeners that don't know, pumpkin, Pumpkin was

1034
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 7: the you know, for Keith le Blancin and and Doug

1035
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 7: win Bush to be the house band of sugar Hill

1036
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 7: Records over at Enjoy Records up in Harlem. The leader

1037
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 7: was Pumpkin the drummer. And you know if you if

1038
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 7: you're if you're a beat, heead you know if you

1039
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 7: collect records. Then his interpolation of tower power squid cakes,

1040
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 7: it was done. I think even better. You know, I

1041
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 7: prefer love rap by Spoony g. That break more than

1042
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 7: the original breakdown it should have came from. Can you

1043
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 7: tell me anything about I knew nothing about Pumpkin.

1044
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 9: What was he?

1045
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about original.

1046
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 9: Pumpkin, right right, right right Pumpkin. Pumpkin was unbelievable. One

1047
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 9: day and this is what happened with Bobby Robinson. And

1048
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 9: this is what made me do it like I did it.

1049
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 9: Pumpkin was in there and I told him a beat

1050
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 9: I wanted him to play. He played a beat. He'll

1051
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 9: go to the keyboards. I said, give me this sound.

1052
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 9: He'll go in there.

1053
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 5: He'll pick up the sound. If you need him to

1054
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 5: play the bass and grab the bas and put that

1055
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 5: in there. Pumpkin was like.

1056
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 4: A one man man.

1057
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 9: And what happened and if you listen to love rap

1058
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 9: when it's going that beat, and then if you hear

1059
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 9: in the back, you here the percussions.

1060
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 5: That's Spoony G's.

1061
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 9: Brother and his name is Pooci all of them little

1062
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 9: brother Poochie is Spoony Jeans brother.

1063
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 5: Never knew that b this this thing runs so deep.

1064
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 9: But but Pumpkin, and before Pumpkin passed, Pumpkin came to

1065
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 9: the studio and he kept saying, Dougie, let me let

1066
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 9: me play a beat for you tonight.

1067
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 5: Come on, Dougie, mean, let's go back to back, Let's

1068
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 5: do beat.

1069
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 9: And in the middle of everything going on before me

1070
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 9: and were before me and it were able to get together,

1071
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 9: he passed away. But Pumpkin was a guy that that's

1072
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 9: why we did this. That's why he did this song.

1073
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 9: Pumpkin and the All Stars. We remember that one because

1074
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 9: Pumpkin and if you have oh, that was his cod

1075
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 9: kidnamed Fly Fly.

1076
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: Tired Michael Jackson.

1077
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 9: We crazy, look, look, look Pumpkin was. Pumpkin was honestly

1078
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 9: as a drummer, as a musician, he was a guy

1079
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 9: that you could tell your ideas too, and he would

1080
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 9: be able to give you the idea just like you

1081
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 9: wanted it and add some things. That was really really good.

1082
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 9: So my first record I was gonna do was a

1083
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 9: song with Pumpkin, but we never got to finish it.

1084
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 7: I was going to say, because if it wasn't for

1085
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 7: Pumpkin passing away, would you have worked with Teddy Riley

1086
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 7: for the show in nineteen eighty five? If Punkin were

1087
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 7: still alive, would you go on to Pumpkin instead of

1088
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 7: Teddy Riley?

1089
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 5: I would have probably went to Pumpkin.

1090
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 9: But also I was I was teaching Teddy about hip

1091
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 9: hop because Teddy was from.

1092
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 5: The church, church kid, right, so we used.

1093
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 9: To cut school and that's when I introduced him to swing.

1094
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 9: And that was the beginning of it because because the drums,

1095
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 9: you know, let me talk to you as a producer

1096
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 9: now like on the d X or the DMX, the

1097
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 9: button in the back would determine how much swing that

1098
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 9: you put into a beat. If I'm going.

1099
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 5: That's swinging, run DMC's beat is to be like.

1100
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 9: Now, it's more like.

1101
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 5: Right action.

1102
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 9: So what I brought was so that's swing, that's swing,

1103
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 9: that swing. And I did it because Greg Greg g

1104
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 9: from the disco for owed me some money because I

1105
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 9: did a show for him because he was a promoter

1106
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 9: on the side, and because he owed me money, he

1107
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 9: lent all of his equipment to Teddy. And when he

1108
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 9: lent it to Teddy, he said, Yo, man, I ain't

1109
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 9: got the money right now for Joe. If you want

1110
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 9: to work on your music and you want to get

1111
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 9: your joint done, yo, I got the equipment over there

1112
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 9: at Teddy's house. I said, really, he said yeah.

1113
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 5: So I went over there.

1114
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 9: Teddy had all of his equipment over there, and right

1115
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 9: over there is when I started to make up the

1116
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 9: pattern of this show. The drums, and then that's when

1117
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 9: I hit that shaker and I as when, huh.

1118
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: How many tracks were you?

1119
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 9: Like?

1120
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: What equipment made the show?

1121
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 5: I use.

1122
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 9: I used the DX drum machine, and I use a

1123
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 9: series of keyboards because my manager was the one in

1124
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 9: the studio that played everything. Because it's just a complicated story, man.

1125
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 9: But but you know, but the truth of the matter

1126
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 9: is that I know that the show would have never

1127
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 9: became what it is if I didn't have Teddy there

1128
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 9: to be able to to to express my ideas the

1129
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 9: way that I express you know what I mean.

1130
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 7: I was gonna say the show is one of the

1131
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 7: most unusual formatic songs I've ever heard, because if you really,

1132
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 7: if you really break down the show, the show is

1133
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 7: almost like it's almost like I wouldn't say interludes, but

1134
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 7: I would almost say seven vignettes because nothing, nothing repeats

1135
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 7: twice like then here we go, here we go, come on.

1136
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 7: It's almost like it's like every hooks could be a

1137
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 7: hook every four bars, and I know you guys aren't

1138
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 7: dealing with like pro tools and cut these four bars,

1139
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 7: so it's almost like I feel like you had to

1140
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 7: map out that entirely sequence.

1141
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 5: I did, I did, I did. I went over there.

1142
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 9: I sat down, and this is when I first learned

1143
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 9: how to count the bars and arrange it.

1144
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 5: So I sat down and I arranged the whole thing.

1145
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 9: And when I arranged it, I went over there his

1146
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 9: house after I'm made up the track.

1147
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 5: Because this is how.

1148
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 9: Y'all understand this, because y'all are musicians and y'all know

1149
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 9: the game.

1150
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 5: You go there, you feel the music, and you make

1151
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 5: it up.

1152
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 9: After you make it up, I would take the tape

1153
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 9: home and then I would, you know, play around with it.

1154
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 9: I'll go to Will's house, Battery's house, and I'll come

1155
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 9: back and say I like this.

1156
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 5: I like this, and so I wanted I didn't.

1157
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 9: I just structured it where I want the horn to

1158
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 9: hit here, I want this to be, and I learned

1159
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 9: how to structure it based on how many bars everything

1160
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 9: was on the song. And then after it was all done,

1161
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 9: then I had to go back and program the drums

1162
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 9: so so I can separate all of these pieces, so

1163
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 9: you don't want even pacing. No, I just I just

1164
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 9: programmed it like that Teddy. I told Teddy what I

1165
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 9: wanted to do, and he knew how to work the equipment,

1166
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 9: and so he sat down and whatever I was asking

1167
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 9: him to do, he would do it.

1168
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 5: I'll say, like Teddy was the one who came up

1169
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 5: with the.

1170
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 9: Drum roll, so so because I was doing a drum

1171
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 9: roll and mom was cool. But then and he heard

1172
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 9: mine and it was in his like a combination of

1173
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 9: what I was doing and what he added to it,

1174
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 9: which made it better. So the other part that any

1175
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 9: contribution that anybody was trying to make to the song,

1176
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 9: if it felt good and if it worked, it didn't matter.

1177
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 5: Who came up with it.

1178
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 9: It was about making this thing as hot as it

1179
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 9: could be. Like when I hit the shaker. I hit

1180
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 9: the shaker by accident because it was I was looking

1181
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 9: for something else. And then when I hit the shaker,

1182
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 9: I just started to you know, because I'm doing the

1183
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 9: bee box and all of that, I said, I started,

1184
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 9: I started.

1185
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 5: Really moving it.

1186
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 9: And then when I was working with the drum machine Teddy,

1187
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 9: I said, I want swing in it, and he was like, okay,

1188
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 9: and he put a little I said no, I got

1189
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 9: to swing harder than that, and.

1190
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 5: Then he started saying no, I got to swing.

1191
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 9: I said, that's it right there, that's swing and nobody

1192
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 9: was using it.

1193
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: Man, not like that.

1194
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell you to be alive and of age

1195
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 7: in nineteen eighty five. I'm probably the last human that

1196
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 7: got on the train of the show right before it

1197
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 7: took off, because I spent the entire summer of nineteen

1198
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 7: eighty five in California where it was all about Toddy

1199
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 7: T's batter Ram the batter I remember, right, I like, yeah,

1200
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 7: my cousins, My cousins were bangers whatever like and literally

1201
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 7: that's all you only heard batter Ram. So to spend June,

1202
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 7: July and August in California in the Altadena, Pasadena with

1203
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 7: my teenage cousins.

1204
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: Only hearing batter Ram.

1205
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 7: I come back home to Philly and this is this

1206
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 7: is I know that nineteen eighty five is probably the

1207
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 7: last regional year for hip hop, where like only regions,

1208
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 7: you only dealt with their regions and it wasn't like

1209
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 7: fully national yet. And I got home and saw, you know,

1210
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 7: the landed. My plane landed like three or four in

1211
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 7: the afternoon. Got home, and I remember like talking to

1212
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 7: the kids on the block, and I just knew I

1213
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 7: was up on something that they weren't up on. And

1214
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 7: I was like, yo, y'all know about batter Ram. Now

1215
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 7: I'm from Philly, right. They looked at me like I

1216
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 7: was an alien. They're like, what the hell is a

1217
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 7: batter Ram. I'm like, right, you can't stop. I'm singing

1218
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 7: the first verse and everything. They just looked at me

1219
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 7: like it was like the block was laughing at me.

1220
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 7: They're like, nah, we only know about the show and

1221
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 7: Lotty Dottie. And I was like, like, the did not

1222
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 7: know about this. Literally, this is like two days before

1223
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 7: school started. And they told me, nah, this is this

1224
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 7: has been number one on Power ninety nine for three

1225
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 7: months in a row, like that's the that's the last

1226
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 7: time I felt so late on something that the whole

1227
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 7: world was up on.

1228
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 8: You still had you still had till nineteen ninety one

1229
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 8: to get back on it again.

1230
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 3: Because I was gonna say, did did the New Jack City?

1231
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 8: I wanted to know the story between on the New

1232
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 8: Jack City situation and how it became kind of that

1233
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 8: scene and in that movie, and how you even allowed

1234
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 8: them to use it. Yeah, because I felt like it

1235
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 8: came back and the Ninjack City it just gave it

1236
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 8: new life.

1237
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean the show never I think, no gave it

1238
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: was timeless.

1239
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

1240
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: For starters.

1241
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 7: I guess we should ask you, how did you hook

1242
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 7: up with Slick Rick to start this group?

1243
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 9: Well that's an interesting question because Slick Rick was well,

1244
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 9: he wasn't Slick Rick.

1245
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 5: He was Ricky Ricky right, he was Ricky.

1246
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 9: D And he was with his crew that man, y'all.

1247
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 9: Y'all asked some questions. Man, Well, yeah, it was the

1248
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 9: Cango Cup. But where I seen him, see the Kango

1249
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 9: crew was in his school. Where he was doing his

1250
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 9: thing was up at the Cadet Club in the Bronx. Now,

1251
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 9: Rick was moving around with different guys trying to get

1252
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 9: his get his hip hop thing going on. And there

1253
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 9: was a guy named Donald d.

1254
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 5: And there was another dude named June loves.

1255
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:48,839
Speaker 1: Syndicate.

1256
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,799
Speaker 9: All no, this is another guy and he calls himself

1257
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 9: now Dandy down. He's still alive, right, But it was

1258
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 9: these three guys. Me and Tito was hanging out. One night.

1259
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 9: Tito came by my house from the Fearless four and

1260
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 9: we hung out and we went uptown and they had

1261
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 9: an EMC contest. Now I was known to take a

1262
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 9: lot of EMC contests because my style was was basically

1263
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 9: the new thing with.

1264
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 5: The beat box.

1265
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 9: I'm rhyming, it's crowd participation, I'm dancing, it's Harlem, it's

1266
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 9: a whole nother thing.

1267
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 5: There's melody.

1268
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 9: So there was a new dimension and hip hop coming

1269
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 9: in long story shot, me and Tito got on and

1270
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 9: the girls loved Tito, so it was like a It

1271
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 9: was like a it was like, let's go get this

1272
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 9: money Tito. But then they said we couldn't be in

1273
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 9: it because they looked at him as a professional and

1274
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 9: they looked at me as a.

1275
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 5: Professional, even though I didn't have a record out at

1276
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 5: the time, nothing major.

1277
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 9: But this is what so Rick June Love and Donald

1278
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 9: D was in the contests. So when they was in

1279
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 9: the contest, the Cold Crush Brothers was in the contest too.

1280
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 9: So this is how the story goes. I was there

1281
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 9: whe watching June and watching them. I say, Yo, these

1282
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 9: dudes is nice. I said, yo, Yo, t don't look

1283
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 9: at the nice and he was like yeah, yeah, and

1284
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 9: Tila Rock was up there and he's like, yeah, you

1285
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 9: know it's yours. It's yours, yo. That's another right, that's

1286
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 9: the whole another story. So we up there and all

1287
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 9: of a sudden, say, yo, I heard Rick And so

1288
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 9: the rhyme that you hearing him say on the show

1289
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 9: was the rhyme that I heard him say in the contest.

1290
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 9: And so when he said that rhyme in the concert,

1291
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 9: I said, Yo, the kid is nice, said the kid.

1292
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 9: Donald D was rhyming about a beef patty. And when

1293
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 9: he brought the beef patty, so they burned it and

1294
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 9: they flipped it on the other side and gave it

1295
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 9: to him, and they tried to hide it, you know

1296
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 9: what I'm saying, And he wrote a rhyme about the beef.

1297
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 9: I was like, Yo, these dudes are ill, because I

1298
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 9: haven't heard nobody rhyme like this. You know, long story short,

1299
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 9: June Love stopped. June Love was gonna team up with

1300
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 9: Greg Nice. June Love got murdered. So the style that

1301
01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 9: you hear Greg Nice's rhyme in is June style.

1302
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 7: Okay, So the great Nice style of fear the Fan

1303
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 7: that is based on June Love, right, And June Love

1304
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 7: was a part of Cago Crew.

1305
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 4: Okay, you're following me, got it.

1306
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 5: I'm trying to another.

1307
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: Beat boxer, Greg Nice, right, But.

1308
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 9: Greg NICs was also under my guidance because the feel

1309
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 9: is four. He wanted to do the beatbox for the

1310
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 9: Feelings four because they wanted something to balance out what

1311
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 9: they wasn't doing, and because I rhymed the beat buzz.

1312
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 9: So Greg Nice was another piece that he was going

1313
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 9: with feelers for. So that's my man all that, But

1314
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 9: I'm just telling you he started to transition into the

1315
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 9: Junie Love style because he was going to do the beatbox.

1316
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,799
Speaker 5: For June Love, and when June Love.

1317
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 9: Lost his life, Greg basically took the style and then

1318
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 9: he went forward with it. So like all I was

1319
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 9: going on, Rick seeing me get on, and then I'm

1320
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 9: doing parties throughout the whole city. So everywhere I go,

1321
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 9: Rick is like, yo, jugie freshman, Yo, you think you

1322
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 9: could put me on with you? I said, Yo, I

1323
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 9: gotta hear you, man, I gotta hear all night. You know,

1324
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 9: see if you're good whatever you know? I say, Yo,

1325
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 9: you seem like a cool dude. Say yeah, man, my

1326
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 9: name is Ricky de Man. I say, yeah, I see

1327
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 9: you downtown, man at Ro said was kind of slick.

1328
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 9: He said, yeah, man, I'm nice. So I would go

1329
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 9: all of these different places and I would see him.

1330
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 9: He would be pressing me, like everywhere I go. I'm

1331
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 9: in the door.

1332
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 5: He's like, yo, Doug, put me on.

1333
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 9: I get off stage, and then he'll be standing there.

1334
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 9: He was like, y'all see you get on man, Yo,

1335
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 9: do you think we could go back on? You could

1336
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 9: put me on with you? And I'll be like, I

1337
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 9: can't do that, man. I just got off. And one

1338
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 9: day I'm going down the hill and Comment Avenue and

1339
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 9: Harlem and he's I see him on the phone.

1340
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 5: I don't know how he was on the corner on

1341
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 5: the phone while.

1342
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 9: I'm walking down there. The odds is like a billion

1343
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 9: to one. I take him over to Will's house. I

1344
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 9: got this little drum machine, the RX seven that I

1345
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 9: got from oc from Feelings spoiled one of his dj

1346
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 9: because it was crazy Eddy and oc Oc was trying

1347
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 9: to sell me the drum machine. So you know, you

1348
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 9: when you were broke, you're trying to borrow somebody drum

1349
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 9: machine and trying to get.

1350
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 5: As most out of it as you can. And then

1351
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 5: you know, you gotta, you know, to stress you then

1352
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 5: you give it back, you know how that was? So yeah,

1353
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 5: So Rick came over and I say, yo're come over

1354
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 5: into the house man. And then right then and there

1355
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 5: is when I say, yo, let me see what you got.

1356
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 5: I got on.

1357
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 9: A couple of other dudes got on. And that was

1358
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 9: the day that he started lotty ditting. And when he

1359
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 9: said it, he couldn't he couldn't even finish the rhyme

1360
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 9: because we was laughing for at least an hour. I mean,

1361
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 9: it was like, yo, let me tell you something. Bro

1362
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 9: Rick was so goddamn funny. I'm talking about like he

1363
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 9: was h hilarious. I mean to the point that we

1364
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 9: all in there holding our stomach. He can't finish the rhyme.

1365
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 9: Then all of a sudden, out there and then the rhyme.

1366
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 9: He said, I told you I was nice. I told

1367
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 9: you I was nice.

1368
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 7: Wait are there any other takes of Lotty Doddy that

1369
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 7: we've not heard because.

1370
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 9: It's just you too.

1371
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a couple, I.

1372
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: Mean alternative takes of it.

1373
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 9: Nah. Now, what we did and what we did on

1374
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 9: Wax was when we made that. That was because my

1375
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 9: manager at the time say, Yo, why don't y'all do

1376
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 9: that thing called Lotti Doddy that all the kids are

1377
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 9: talking about in the street because Lotty Dotty was created

1378
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 9: in eighty four. And what I did is when I

1379
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 9: seen them, when I heard the rhyme, I say, Yo,

1380
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 9: this rhyme would be crazy if I did the beatbox

1381
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 9: and I just come in with different words and I

1382
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 9: changed the beat so that it doesn't get boring, and

1383
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 9: I say, yeah, this will be good. And then all

1384
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 9: of a sudden, I said that we get and then

1385
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 9: he was excited. I said, and we could take all

1386
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 9: the rap contests. He was like, yeah, yeah, that's what

1387
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 9: I want. Because he felt that he got jerked when

1388
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 9: he was at the Cadet court because they didn't they

1389
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 9: didn't win, so he had this big thing on his

1390
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 9: shoulder saying I'm taking every contest. So then we started

1391
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 9: going around in the city just taking every contest, and

1392
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 9: then when we did it on record, we took out

1393
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 9: the second part to Lottie Dottie because we mentioned Vanessa.

1394
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 7: Ways Williams, Oh yeah, you told me. Wait a minute,

1395
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 7: Wait a minute, God, this is like the rabbit hole

1396
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 7: of life. I just gotta do you have any of

1397
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 7: those tapes? From course, okay, I'm coming to your rib

1398
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 7: of course. Literally more more than the twelve inch there was.

1399
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 7: There was again Philadelphian. There was a dude, my go

1400
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 7: to cheese steak guy every Sunday, my go to steak guy,

1401
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 7: like he would have He would have like he had

1402
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 7: cousins from New York that always put him on to

1403
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 7: like those t Connection tapes and those Parlem World tapes.

1404
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 7: So when I'm you know, Sunday after church my routine,

1405
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 7: I get a cheese steak after church, and he's always

1406
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 7: playing some live whatever. And one of these Sundays he

1407
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 7: had like much of my mom's dis may this is

1408
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 7: the first time I'm here and treator like a prostitute

1409
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 7: a live version, and I snuffed back. I was like, Mom,

1410
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 7: I'm gonna get some potato chips and I stuck up

1411
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 7: to him. I said, and I had one of those

1412
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 7: like my mom's you know you always record over your

1413
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 7: mom's tapes or whatever, And I had like one of

1414
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 7: her old gout, like one of the gospel tapes that

1415
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 7: she just walked from church and was like, yo, can

1416
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 7: you can you meet me? Gods it don't be back

1417
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 7: tomorrow for lunch. And I lived with it's a live

1418
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 7: version of YouTube, just doing your whole routine. And I

1419
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 7: studied that ship to the tape. Pop it popped and

1420
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 7: I never got I gotta get that back again.

1421
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 9: But yo, yo, yo, yo, that's crazy you're saying that.

1422
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, see when we when we treat

1423
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 9: him like a prostitute, we were already doing that and

1424
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 9: that was going to be the next thing we was

1425
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 9: gonna let out and some other things that we had right.

1426
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 5: But what was crazy is when I hurt Jay and

1427
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 5: them do it with.

1428
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 9: The beat, it changed the whole vibe of it. It

1429
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 9: wasn't like the same or it wasn't the same.

1430
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I'm probably the only person that like when

1431
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 7: I heard it, I was like, man, I don't want

1432
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 7: it with music.

1433
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: I want it with Dougie, right right, right, But.

1434
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 9: You know it's crazy, it's real like that. And that's

1435
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 9: interesting because like I said about frequency, going back to that,

1436
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 9: it was a match of a frequency. You see see

1437
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 9: when you doing the beat box people think is easy

1438
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 9: or simple. It's like the way you if you're playing

1439
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 9: the drums, you're playing to align your spirit with the

1440
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 9: person that you're playing for. You're not playing like a

1441
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 9: drum machine. You're playing like a spirit. So when they're

1442
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 9: doing this and not, you gotta flow. So what Lottie

1443
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 9: Dottie is it's to match, to match him and to

1444
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 9: move with him and to make him be the best

1445
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 9: he can be. It wasn't about me. It was about

1446
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 9: how can how can we make this be the best?

1447
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 9: And I had to match the way the energy move.

1448
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 9: If I don't match the way the energy move, you're

1449
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 9: just liking me.

1450
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 5: But I don't just want you to like me. I

1451
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 5: want you to like what's going on.

1452
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 9: I want you to feel it. So it has to move,

1453
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 9: you know what I mean? And that's how that's the

1454
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 9: reason why I treat him like a prostitute lives better

1455
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 9: than the drum machine.

1456
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: Yes it is, how okay? So by September.

1457
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 7: First of all, let me just declare that I probably

1458
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 7: think that the show Lotti Dottie is one of the

1459
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 7: greatest twelve inches of all time.

1460
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: For any I'm afraid to ask, I pray the answers.

1461
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 7: Yes, I hope you still own your publishing for Lottie

1462
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 7: Dotty because it's probably the most sampled song of in

1463
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 7: hip hop history.

1464
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 5: Yes, I do, Yes, I do, Yes, I do.

1465
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:47,440
Speaker 9: But not only do I own all of the publishing.

1466
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 5: I made sure Rick owns his publisher and the story

1467
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 5: and the other side of this.

1468
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 9: Story, which only requests love and the Supreme Team could get,

1469
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 9: is when I made the show a quest. When I

1470
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 9: did just having fun, I called it just having fun

1471
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 9: because I was learning about the studio and I knew

1472
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 9: Bobby Robinson wasn't gonna pay nobody, so I wasn't gonna

1473
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 9: try to do everything that I could do with him.

1474
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 5: That was number one.

1475
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 9: Original human Beatbox was with Entertainment Records and Vincent Davis.

1476
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 9: I had an argument with him because I made the

1477
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 9: beat up and he put that bing bing link sound

1478
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 9: in there and it sounded like I hated it.

1479
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: Man.

1480
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 9: You know, I'm gonna tell you I love the guitars.

1481
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 9: But I hated that sound because I had a different

1482
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 9: idea that I felt was better, and me and him

1483
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 9: got into a conflict, so that vocal was just a practice,

1484
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 9: a rough vocal on what I was getting ready to

1485
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 9: come back and do better. So then I left the

1486
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 9: studio and I started doing shows.

1487
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 5: I stacked up.

1488
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 9: All my money and when I went in there, I

1489
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 9: made the show and Dotty, and when I told Rick

1490
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 9: about the show, he said that idea is whack. That

1491
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 9: ain't gonna work. So then I said, Rick, I said,

1492
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 9: trust me, I know what I'm talking about, the same

1493
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 9: way I told you that this beatbox thing is going

1494
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 9: to work with this routine. So then what happened. He

1495
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 9: trusted me and we went into the studio and I

1496
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 9: made this show and I made Lottie Dotty. I took

1497
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 9: it the Profile Records. Profile Records heard it. He said,

1498
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 9: this is the worst music I've ever heard. He said,

1499
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 9: who's that guy sounding like that? And what's this little

1500
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 9: clicking sound that I keep hearing in the song?

1501
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 5: So he said it.

1502
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 9: To me and I said, Steve, it was It was

1503
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 9: the owner Coo, so listen to this. So afterwards, I said,

1504
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 9: no problem, now I paid all the money I spent

1505
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 9: ten I had saved the ten grand I went to

1506
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 9: Daily Planet Studio in New York. So then after that

1507
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 9: I went and I said, man, I got to get

1508
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,799
Speaker 9: this record out. So I took it to WHBI. Jerry

1509
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 9: blood Rock played it, and a couple of other guys

1510
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 9: started getting the crazy buzz. So I went to this

1511
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 9: label called Dain your Records, right, I said, distributed by Fantasy.

1512
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 9: So when I went to him, I said, he said, yo,

1513
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 9: I want to distribute the record for you. I said,

1514
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 9: that's cool, I said, but I'm going to own it.

1515
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 9: He said, well, I want to buy into the ownership.

1516
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 9: I said, if you want to buy into the ownership,

1517
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 9: you got to give me the money back that I

1518
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 9: spent and then we can go from there.

1519
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 5: So then what he did is he gave me the

1520
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 5: money back, and then.

1521
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 9: Basically I owned the master, and I brought him in

1522
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 9: and I gave him a piece of the master. So

1523
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 9: in eighty five, I was the first artist to ever

1524
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 9: own their master. You see, but I learned that because

1525
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 9: of what happened over there, and I watched it. So

1526
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 9: when I owned the Master and I came back and

1527
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 9: when I gave Rip half of the publishing on the show,

1528
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 9: and we both split high for the publishing on Lottie Dottie,

1529
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 9: and then from there we moved forward.

1530
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 4: And then now, so was that Reality Records? Was that you?

1531
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 4: Was that your Reality Records?

1532
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 9: Yeah? See it went from oh and by the way,

1533
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 9: and every record after that, I owned the master, So

1534
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 9: it was right. So what happened is that I was

1535
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 9: seeing what was going on, and you know, I'm like

1536
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 9: around seventeen years old, eighteen years old, but I'm seeing

1537
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 9: that something just didn't seem right about how people are

1538
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 9: owning your master, Like I thought that was kind of

1539
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 9: And then since I spent the money, I was like,

1540
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 9: how you're gonna own it? So now the record blows up.

1541
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 9: I go to Roxy. Cory is in Roxy. The record

1542
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 9: is on fire.

1543
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 5: I mean bro. When I say fire, I mean five y'all.

1544
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 9: So now Corey comes in there and he said, Yo,

1545
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 9: could I talk to you?

1546
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 5: I said sure.

1547
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 9: He said, Yo, Man, I made a mistake. Man, I

1548
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 9: was wrong, He said, Man, this thing, I just couldn't

1549
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 9: see it coming. He said, I was just seeing run DMC.

1550
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 9: I couldn't see nothing. This was just so unusual. It

1551
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 9: was so new it was, so I didn't know what

1552
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 9: to think. I said, bro, I said, it ain't no problem.

1553
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 9: I was just giving you the first opportunity because you

1554
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 9: got the label. I said, it's okay. He said, Yo, man,

1555
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 9: is it any way that we could do something else?

1556
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 9: Are you signing anybody? I said, well, I got to

1557
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 9: deal with I got my masters and I'm also with

1558
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,799
Speaker 9: the label. But it's a great deal. I got my publisher,

1559
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 9: I got the masters. I said, but maybe we couldn't

1560
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 9: down the road. And then after he got Dana Dan

1561
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 9: because he wanted to.

1562
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 4: Fame that album.

1563
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 9: Right right, And we didn't mind because Dana was a

1564
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 9: part of the family, you know what I mean. But

1565
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 9: I'm just showing you how sometimes once again it's back

1566
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 9: to that fear. He told me my record was garbage.

1567
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 7: I was like, okay, so this this leads to my

1568
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 7: follow up question. You two have undoubtedly created one of

1569
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 7: the and this is not even a thing where it's

1570
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 7: like time has to pass by before we know it's

1571
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 7: a classic. But it's like y'all just hit us with

1572
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 7: these two singles and then nothing else. Now of course,

1573
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 7: with you like yes, I realized that, oh my god,

1574
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 7: came out in eighty six, So you did come up

1575
01:26:58,200 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 7: with an album?

1576
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 4: Why they came back?

1577
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 9: They did?

1578
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 4: Sitting in my car?

1579
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 7: They didn't come back they yeah, but like, yeah, there

1580
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 7: were teen years later, two years he.

1581
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 5: Was going to prison. Yeah why why did I know?

1582
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 7: But even before prison, what was happening with Slick Rick

1583
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 7: between nineteen eighty six in nineteen eighty nine, before he

1584
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 7: signed the Deaf Jam? Like why why didn't why capitalize

1585
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 7: on you know, the hottest single, making you.

1586
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: Guys a unit? Like was that just a one off deal?

1587
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 9: And okay, now what happened was is that to the

1588
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 9: blame of us both? I felt that once again, like

1589
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 9: I said, I was already established in the street, I

1590
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 9: was moving around. I took Will and Barry and I

1591
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 9: brought them together and that was the first time again

1592
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 9: with two DJs DJ together at the same time. There's

1593
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 9: never been a crew before the Gift Fresh Crew with

1594
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 9: two DJs DJ at the same time. Get Fresh Crew

1595
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 9: is the foundation to the executioners because that because no,

1596
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 9: I had two sets and they're playing at the same time.

1597
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,879
Speaker 9: Not you get on after me. So I was really

1598
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 9: always trying to push something new.

1599
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 5: The Deep Box was new. I had my guys there.

1600
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 9: I brought Rick in here, and what happened with me

1601
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 9: and Rick was, you know, I felt that he was

1602
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 9: accusing me of doing something that I didn't do.

1603
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 5: He was accusing me of not He felt.

1604
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 9: Like I was trying to make all the money of

1605
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 9: something and that's not true. I gave him half of

1606
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 9: the royalty.

1607
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 5: I gave him half of the publishing.

1608
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 9: I gave him a really good salary while he was

1609
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 9: on the road, and also the other DJs I had

1610
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 9: a manager. I gave him twenty percent. The agent. I

1611
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 9: gave him, you know, the ten percent because he was

1612
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 9: booking the shows all of these different expenses and everybody

1613
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 9: had to, you know, get a salary. And on top

1614
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 9: of that, I put him in on what was already

1615
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 9: in motion. And I didn't like how we were. We

1616
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 9: were like this, you know what I'm saying. And then

1617
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 9: when I started to see how people was getting in

1618
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 9: his head and people was coming in trying to.

1619
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 5: Get into my head.

1620
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 9: I didn't really like the energy. So I said, I

1621
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 9: gotta pull out of this. And I didn't want no money.

1622
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 9: I didn't want no producer or no override or no

1623
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 9: find this speed. I was like, bro, you go ahead

1624
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 9: and do what you gotta do, because the energy is

1625
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 9: not feeling good no more. And I think we got

1626
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 9: too much love for one another for us. I felt

1627
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 9: that the magic were creating is because once again he

1628
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 9: trusted me. I trusted him, and when I felt that

1629
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 9: there was a violation of him trusting me bothered me.

1630
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 9: And I was young and I should have just allowed

1631
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 9: him to express that, but I took it personal and

1632
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 9: I just say, yo, you go do your thing. And

1633
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 9: then when he went over there, Russell sat him on

1634
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 9: the bench for multiple years, And if we're being real,

1635
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 9: it's because you know, at that time he didn't really

1636
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 9: know what to do with him. And over there depth Jymp,

1637
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 9: everybody was happy, but not so happy because we were

1638
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,719
Speaker 9: we were a little bit of a threat to people

1639
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 9: because of the dynamics of all of the things that

1640
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 9: we were bringing together. But I love Rick, so I

1641
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 9: didn't want nothing but the best for him, and I

1642
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 9: just felt like, you know, if the energy is not right,

1643
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 9: it doesn't make sense for us to go any further.

1644
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 7: Was there any conversation or reach out to you to

1645
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 7: do anything on The Great Adventures Life, Like, did they

1646
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 7: try to say something or no.

1647
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 9: They tried to.

1648
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 5: They didn't call me, but they tried to. They tried to.

1649
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 9: Put me in it because if you listen to maybe

1650
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 9: six or seven eight songs, my voices is throughout the

1651
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,480
Speaker 9: whole album. So they're trying to balance out the formula

1652
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 9: of what it was that we created together. So when

1653
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 9: people are listening to that album, they they're hearing his

1654
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 9: brilliance and the excellence of the production, but they're also

1655
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:35,759
Speaker 9: feeling my frequency in there in a subtle way, because

1656
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 9: I'm in there, you know, and I'm in multiple songs.

1657
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 9: So they were trying to figure out how to bring

1658
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 9: him where.

1659
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 5: He needed to be. And I look at it like

1660
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 5: this too.

1661
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 9: To be completely transparent, I think that it was necessary

1662
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 9: because Great Adventures of Slick Rick gave him the platform

1663
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 9: to express things that I think was important for him

1664
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 9: to express, and we probably could have figured it out.

1665
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 9: But I think that would he have been what I

1666
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 9: call the greatest storyteller? Could he have been that with me?

1667
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,759
Speaker 9: And could I have been the entertainer that I've grown

1668
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 9: to become, Because maybe it would have been too much

1669
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 9: forced from two different you know what I'm saying, two

1670
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 9: different energies, and it would not really have been as

1671
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 9: great as it could have been.

1672
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 5: And you know, I just I just know that.

1673
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,799
Speaker 9: Like and then when he was about to go to prison,

1674
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 9: because he knew it was happening, I went up to

1675
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 9: Neurochelle and vance Wright was up there, and I said,

1676
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 9: let me hear some of his music, man, and he

1677
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 9: played something in her sitting in my car, and I said, nah,

1678
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 9: y'all got a drum machine. Pull that out. And he

1679
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 9: was getting ready to do the same thing that he

1680
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 9: did with jam Master Jay. I said, let me do it,

1681
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 9: and then I put it in there, and then I

1682
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 9: kept the loop in there.

1683
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 5: And then when he got out.

1684
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:03,600
Speaker 9: Of prison after doing a long, long rough ride, I

1685
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 9: was there for him to perform with him when he

1686
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 9: got out in LA and I did that for him

1687
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 9: to support him, you know what I mean. And then

1688
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 9: I had the Senator to go up and you know,

1689
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 9: make sure you didn't get depored in. And then when

1690
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 9: the Senator became the governor, I brought the governor in

1691
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 9: because I felt like, even though we're not together, we're

1692
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 9: always together, all right, y'all.

1693
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 3: I know you want some more and we got it

1694
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 3: for you.

1695
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 8: That was part one of quest love Supreme's interview with

1696
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:37,759
Speaker 8: Dougie Fresh.

1697
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 3: You ready for part two?

1698
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 9: All right?

1699
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 3: Stay tuned's coming up West Love.

1700
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:49,479
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01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:53,200
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1702
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:55,160
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