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Speaker 1: The only thing I'm plugging is forgotten seasons.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, j Max checking in from Tahoe.

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Speaker 2: Has it going, man, peaceful? It's peaceful, peaceful. And I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be checking in if we didn't have a special

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Speaker 2: canoeing and kayaking and shit.

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Speaker 3: Dylan, Well today, Man.

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Speaker 2: Usually, like when we always liked these episodes, whenever you

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Speaker 2: get somebody that played thirteen hundred games in the NBA,

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Speaker 2: usually it's rare. But where I want to start, which

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Speaker 2: I thought was just very interesting, was you played thirteen

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Speaker 2: hundred games, Andre Miller. And usually when we talk to

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Speaker 2: people like that, they have these crazy regiments for the

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Speaker 2: off season. They're spending millions on their body. But you

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Speaker 2: were on record saying when the off season hit, you

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Speaker 2: were chilling. You might not even pick up a basketball.

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Speaker 2: You were eating burgers, eating hot links. So, if taking

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Speaker 2: care of your body and spending millions on your body

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Speaker 2: isn't this solution to longevity in the NBA, what was

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Speaker 2: it for you? Because you played just about as long

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, thanks for having me, you know,

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Speaker 4: as far as the basketball and this this grind, you know,

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Speaker 4: the all. I mean, everybody's different, you know. For me,

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Speaker 4: you know, I had to let my body rest because

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Speaker 4: I prided myself on on preseason games, being available for

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Speaker 4: practice and also playing a full eighty two games.

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Speaker 1: So for me to go into a.

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Speaker 4: Summer and you know, I did play a little basketball,

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Speaker 4: but it wasn't like I was going in there and

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Speaker 4: it was more of let my body rest for at

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Speaker 1: Heard it was some some pickup games, then I go play,

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Speaker 4: So you know I normally really kicked it in probably

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Speaker 4: around you know, August. Julani knows everybody going up to

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Speaker 4: squeeze in about three weeks of basketball and then I

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Speaker 2: I mean, you missed six games from nineteen ninety nine

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Speaker 5: Yeah, come on.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. You know, it's ridiculous. Some

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 4: You know, I mean, I pride myself on keeping track

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Speaker 4: you know, necessarily a household name, but you know, just

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Speaker 4: guard position, you know, just being out there and contributing

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Speaker 1: I pretty much prided myself on that.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I didn't, you know, take the easy

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Speaker 5: I'll put it in perspective and just say it out loud.

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Speaker 5: Dre Miller thirteen hundred and four career games play number

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Speaker 5: twenty one all time for point guards. Only point guards

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Speaker 5: ahead of you are Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, and John Stockton.

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Speaker 1: Because games played. Yes, I'm happy to be yes.

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Speaker 5: That possibly the toughest position in the league outside of

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Speaker 5: zeal to you know what I mean, put your body

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Speaker 4: Time, you know, just just always wanting to hoop. Man,

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Speaker 1: And then you know, through high school and then college.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm out here in Utah and I'm able

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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's the Utah Jazz and then it's

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Speaker 5: What is a John Stockton? Yeah, what is a John

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Speaker 5: Stockton teach you in the pickup game? Like, what are

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Speaker 2: Can you can you also set the scene for us

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Speaker 1: It's like this man like, of course, you know I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm out there for five years, never went home in

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Speaker 4: And that's when they all start showing up. And for me,

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Speaker 4: And for me, it was just straight observation. I don't

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Speaker 1: He'll offer a little bit of advice. And man, it

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Speaker 4: And then the structure that they played pickup ball was

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Speaker 1: You man like like hold up, man, I thought this

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it was like that. You know, if

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Speaker 1: Karl Malon came in gym, you know you see all

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Speaker 4: So it was it was definitely a big, big learning,

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Speaker 2: That's interesting because I've heard you talk a lot about

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Speaker 2: do you think that influenced the beginning of your career?

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Speaker 2: Because once you hit the NBA, you were ready. I

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Speaker 4: Definitely, because man, you know, of course growing up in

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Speaker 1: That wasn't tangible. That wasn't tangible.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I get to Utah and I'm watching

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Speaker 4: just soak up the game. You know they I mean

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Speaker 4: Maybe they take family time, but those guys were always hooping.

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Speaker 4: It was a big time for me.

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Speaker 2: He's also there when they're losing to the bulls, like

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Speaker 2: the exact window when they lose back back to the Bulls.

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Speaker 2: Those are the summers that you're there. So that explains

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Speaker 1: Oh definitely.

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Speaker 4: I mean you figure if I was there in ninety four,

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Speaker 4: play hoop with them. And then the same way they

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Speaker 1: The pickup games. You know, it wasn't as faster, but

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Speaker 1: you know it was discipline, It was work ethic and

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Speaker 1: then forming chemistry to go through an entire season and

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Speaker 1: for your leaders, for your leaders and johnst Carl Malone

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Speaker 1: to set the stage and then I mean the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame, you know, Rest in peace, Jerry Sloan. I

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Speaker 1: mean he will sit.

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Speaker 4: There and just watch and critique and teach as if

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Speaker 4: to catch that for five years. Man, So you know

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Speaker 4: it helped us out as a team with Utah learning discipline,

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Speaker 4: work ethic, and it helped us get to the finals

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Speaker 2: The last thing I'll say about the Jazz, It's interesting,

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Speaker 2: win a ring, and I think the Jazz team nobody

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Speaker 5: We'll put them up there because of the system. For

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Speaker 1: They basically that's flex.

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Speaker 4: They ran flex. That's what they teach you in grade school.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years I think about it. That's all they ran

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Speaker 5: And they had people that are like Oaster Tag and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah man. And that's when I learned,

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Speaker 1: Also good.

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Speaker 2: He said that the first thing that he said when

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Speaker 1: Who are the smartest guys?

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Speaker 6: You played with both of you, guys Andre Miller and

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Speaker 5: I was going to bring this up.

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Speaker 3: Me and Willy Green hated guardens.

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Speaker 6: We'll get like four five easy buckets every night. Like

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Speaker 2: So it's all coming back now that that was that,

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Speaker 3: Jerry Sloane came alone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, man, I mean all that stuff was you know,

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Speaker 5: Dre what happened to the true point guard? And what

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Speaker 1: I like to say it still exists, but you know,

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Image and likeness an offer.

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Speaker 1: That's what the kids are on offer. Like there's nobody

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Speaker 4: It's all getting buckets, all of it. It's all getting buckets.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I think it has changed. I think

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Speaker 5: The basic game is the killer the basic I don't

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Speaker 4: Fact, they're gonna expect you know, if you're gonna go

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Speaker 5: it wasn't built on something consisted on something would be consistent.

440
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Speaker 4: And and and to that, you know, I mean, if

441
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 4: you look back, I mean, Alan Irrison is probably one

442
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 4: of the greatest competitors to come through the NBA. And hey,

443
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 4: if I'm a GM at that time and what he

444
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 4: was doing, I probably trade me too.

445
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, but but you know.

446
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 4: It was a change in management going on at that

447
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 4: time with the Nuggets, you know, with Kecky Vanderway stepping

448
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 4: away and some things going on which you know, none

449
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 4: of the players can control.

450
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 1: We just go out and do our job. But you know,

451
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was probably one.

452
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Speaker 4: Of the one of the tougher trades for me to accept,

453
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 4: just because I felt like, you know, yeah, man, you

454
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 4: gotta understand who we playing against in the West. Man,

455
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 4: you're playing against Shaq and Kobe. You playing against the

456
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 4: Utah Jazz. You're playing against the Memphis Grizzly.

457
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: You playing against the Phoenix Suns, You're playing against the Spurs.

458
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 4: Man.

459
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Speaker 1: I mean, like, come on, like, are you serious?

460
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Speaker 4: So I can understand you know, Okay, we need an

461
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 4: extra umph. You know, we've tried this for three years.

462
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 4: We went to the playoffs, you know, let's try something.

463
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 4: Let's bring in somebody that can possibly get us over

464
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 4: the hump. And I tell you one thing, it was

465
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Speaker 4: very hard to get over the hump with a Kobe

466
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 4: Bryant and Shaq in the West and uh and uh,

467
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 4: Tim Duncan Parker and Ginobili.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean, West was stacked. So it was tough for them,

469
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, but it was.

470
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Speaker 4: It was a great experience experience for me and I

471
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 4: was able to run it back again being traded back again.

472
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Speaker 5: So I want to I want to backtrack a little bit, Dre,

473
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Speaker 5: because I feel like we skipped over this. We talked

474
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 5: about point guards, but one, uh, one thing we forgot

475
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 5: to talk about is the post game of the point guards.

476
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, the Baron Davis is of

477
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 5: the world. You know yourself, Jason Kidd, Sam Cassell, Gary Payton,

478
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 5: a lot of the guys you already mentioned. I got

479
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 5: two things I want to ask. I want to ask

480
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Speaker 5: how important was the post game for your development even

481
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 5: as the point guard position? And I want to add

482
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 5: the fact that me and Dylon talked about this and

483
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 5: then we watched some videos. I believe in my weird

484
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 5: brain that your obsession with skating can be seen in

485
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Speaker 5: a little bit of some of those post moves, particular

486
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 5: the spins, some of the things that you did with

487
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 5: your back to the basket. First of all, can you

488
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 5: talk about your when did your love of skating come in?

489
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Speaker 5: And did did any of that incorporate into the post game?

490
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Speaker 5: And then the third part, how important was that post

491
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Speaker 5: game to your development?

492
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Speaker 1: Man? First?

493
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Speaker 4: You know, I mean kid growing up, man, that's all

494
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 4: you know outlet You know, you either go outside or

495
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 4: your mom drop you off at.

496
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Speaker 1: The skating ring.

497
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Speaker 4: So it's like he was forced to learn how to skating.

498
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Speaker 4: I still roller skate to this day.

499
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Speaker 1: You know, when.

500
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Speaker 4: I'm actually going skate, I'm actually going skating to night.

501
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Speaker 5: Man, And he got he got custom shoes, he got

502
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Speaker 5: custom shoes and every day, yeah, you know I'm.

503
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Speaker 4: Gonna get my role on the night because I feel

504
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 4: my body feel pretty good. But you know, really, man,

505
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: like just being a student of the game. You watch

506
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 4: Maddie Johnson turn his back. You know, I loved watching

507
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 4: Jordan shoot that fade away. You know, I loved watching

508
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: Gary Payton do his spin, his famous Gary Payton Steve

509
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 4: Smith when he did his stuff. You know, I was

510
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: just man, I was trying to take all that stuff

511
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: and just kind of put it in my tool box.

512
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 4: And what's crazy is I didn't really do it too

513
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 4: much in college. And you know, I already knew that

514
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: I was strong, and you know, I knew how to

515
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 4: use my body. But I say, like my second year,

516
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 4: John Lucas came in. John Lucas came in and was

517
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 4: our coach in Cleveland, and he'll be like, you know,

518
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: start he just just started calling actions where I would

519
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 4: go down to the post and he will always call

520
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: me Richard Pride like Richard. So I just found myself,

521
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 4: you know, I just found myself down there, you know.

522
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 4: And I'm like, man, I could post up dudes and

523
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: just put my button, have somebody on my butt and

524
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 4: just kind of shoot over him or just put him

525
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 4: under the basket. And it it kind of made my

526
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 4: job easier because I'm like, man, if they got to

527
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 4: start doubling me, then I can make passes. And that's

528
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 4: one thing that I watched Jason Kidd.

529
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Speaker 1: Do early on.

530
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Speaker 4: He was more of a passer than he was a

531
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Speaker 4: scorer in the post, and I was like, well, you know,

532
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 4: I don't have that Jason Kidd Cachet yet where let

533
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 4: me prove that I could score down here first, and

534
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 4: then let me start kicking that ball out. So it

535
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 4: was just the confidence and John Lucas like, okay, Man,

536
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 4: you know you could post up man, and he was

537
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 4: just and then.

538
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: Like, you know, just pushing the ball up to court.

539
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 4: And I still remember Gary Peyton, Gary Payton driveling up

540
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 4: the sideline, drilling up the sideline him magic and then

541
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 4: they'll turn, they back and then next thing you know,

542
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 4: they then spun and they into a layup. So I'm like, well,

543
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 4: if nobody's gonna run with me, and I'm you know,

544
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: bringing the ball up the side of the court, it's

545
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: almost automatic if I just knock, if I don't feel

546
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 4: like trying to beat somebody off the drive. So I

547
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: just kind of fell into that, and you know, it

548
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 4: made me, you know, realize that I can do other

549
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 4: things than.

550
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: Just you know, run, pick and roll and make passes.

551
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: I can actually go down there and you know what,

552
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna score on you this way.

553
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: One of the series that you were on the wrong

554
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: side of Warriors Nuggets, what was going through your mind

555
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: when you were seeing Steph doing what he was doing

556
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: at the point our position.

557
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 4: That was the year that we actually had a franchise

558
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 4: record in games winning games.

559
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: We won like fifty seven games.

560
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 4: And then Gallo Gallinari tears his knee before the playoffs start.

561
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: And as much as I wanted to win that game,

562
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 4: plan win that series, man, and we had a really

563
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 4: good team, it felt like, you know what, we ain't

564
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 4: gotten a chance, man, because the way that ball was

565
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: going through, the way that ball was going through the basket, man,

566
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: Like you know, I didn't play it with some great shooters,

567
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: for Sean Lennard, Danny Ferry, trading, Wesley Person. Man, this

568
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: ball was going in the basket through the hoop a

569
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: little bit different, you know, like when Stephan Clay was

570
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: shooting that ball bottoms. It wasn't bottoms. Ain't the word

571
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: that ball was already I'm like, hold up.

572
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: Man, Like, nah, the ball not hitting the rim.

573
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: It's not like like it was almost like you know

574
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 4: you play a video game and the nets start getting

575
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 4: on fire.

576
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: That's what it felt like, man.

577
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 4: And it was I mean those junksters, man, it was

578
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: like and the way they moved and it was just

579
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 4: it was I knew what was gonna happen, and I'm like,

580
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 4: you know what, I ain't gonna be around too much

581
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: longer anyway.

582
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 5: So it's something new coming, you like, it's something new coming.

583
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 5: They got something that's going on out here.

584
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: And I can try to make my game translate because

585
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: I wasn't no killer three point shooter, you know, but man,

586
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: it was all opened up when those guys start shooting

587
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 4: the ball like that. The game was all opened up,

588
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 4: and there was, like, you know what, I only got

589
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: like about three or four years left, So I'm cool

590
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: with that.

591
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 2: As somebody that has a PhD in point guarding and

592
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: probably the highest classification in this secret point guard club,

593
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: where does Steph Curry rank for you in the greatest

594
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: point guard that ever played the game? And do you

595
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: view him in the same light as a traditional point

596
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: guard like yourself or and Isaiah Thomas or a Magic Johnson.

597
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: I mean, for me, man, if you plan anybody that's

598
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: playing and touch the NBA court and play it on

599
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 4: the level of a Juliani or me or Steph Curry,

600
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: whoever you want, if you touched that court on the

601
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: NBA in the NBA, you are great.

602
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: To me. You are a great. You're a legend. Man,

603
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: you are a legend.

604
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: Jelani is a legend in my eyes because a lot

605
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: of people don't know what goes into the process of

606
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: trying to get to that level. The hard work, the consistency,

607
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: the mental toughness to block out all the distractions.

608
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: And when you talk about a.

609
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: Stephen Curry man like I mean, Michael Jordan changed the game.

610
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: Kobe Lebron, he might have changed the game more than

611
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 4: anybody in the history of the game.

612
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: Every time I go into a gym, everybody.

613
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: Shooting three pointers, everybody shooting three pointers, and he is,

614
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 4: in my eyes, he is an all time great. I

615
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: would put him in my top ten point guards all time.

616
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. He is that I was

617
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: able to see it up close. I was able to

618
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 4: see it guarding him. I was able to see it

619
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: from the bench. In one story I tell man, I

620
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 4: was my last year. I was playing in Minnesota and

621
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 4: Sam Mitchell was the coach and Kevin Garnett was back

622
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: in Minnesota.

623
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: It was Tayshawn.

624
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: Me, Kevin Garnett, and Kevin Martin was the veterans on

625
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: the team. And at this time I already knew it

626
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 4: was gonna be my last year, you know. And Stephen

627
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 4: Curry came into Minnesota, man, and he probably scored like

628
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: eight points, and like this when he was just like

629
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: torching first and third quarters. He was just tearing the

630
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: league apart. And Sam Mitchell looked down the bench and like, Andre, you're.

631
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: In And I didn't think I was playing. I did

632
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: think I was playing. I'm enjoying the show. And man,

633
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: I got out there.

634
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: Man.

635
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: And now this four years later from playing them in

636
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: the playoffs, so you can see how he improved. And

637
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 4: I wanted to smoke. But before I turned around that

638
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: eight points went to like twenty three, twenty four points,

639
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 4: and I'm like, dude, like and I'm actually playing good defense.

640
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: I'm actually playing good He sins at forty years old

641
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: on this guy, and you can just hear the fans.

642
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: Like, come on, Miller, come on, come on, Like, dude,

643
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't have a chance against this youngesters. It's a rap.

644
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 4: So you know, man, he's an all time great man.

645
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 4: Whether it's he is a point guard, he is a

646
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: point guard. He has a point guard mentality because he

647
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: knows when to score the ball and he knows when

648
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: not to score. He's one of the best finishing finishers

649
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 4: in history, and he's a clutch player. So in my eyes,

650
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: man like like he ain't never had to change teams.

651
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, He's he's big time man.

652
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: One of my favorite players ever.

653
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 5: I asked a friend of the same kind of Stephan

654
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 5: point guard, another one of our friends. He said, well,

655
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 5: he brings the ball up sometimes, and I was like, Damn,

656
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: just where we're at now.

657
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: I think Stephan Curry, I think he thinks more like

658
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 4: a point guard then he does a score in my eyes,

659
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: because everything, everything that he does is based on decoy

660
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: and field. I'm gonna I'm gonna open the game up.

661
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be my I'm gonna be a decoy for

662
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 4: my teammates. You know what I'm saying, Whether you know, okay,

663
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: going cuts, back cuts, moving without the ball, slip cuts,

664
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: and then the mentality of like say, Chris Paul, you

665
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 4: know what Stephen Curry say? You know what, Okay, Today,

666
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come out and set the tone. I'm fast

667
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: to set the tone by putting that ball in the basket.

668
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: So his field, his field fluctuates for me. So I

669
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 4: see a point guard.

670
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: In he does.

671
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Does Draymond kno get enough credit? Because we work with

672
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: some former players, former professional players that don't give Draymond

673
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: the credit? Does Steph need dream?

674
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: Did? They need each other to do?

675
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: That's what That's what the team is for. That what

676
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: the team is for.

677
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 4: You got you got role players, you know you got

678
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 4: you know, you need somebody to fulfill every role. And

679
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 4: to say that Draymond Green's role on the team is

680
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 4: not important, that Stephan Curry is ignorance, you know what

681
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 4: I'm saying. You know all the antics? Yeah, yeah, everybody

682
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: got a little antics. Maybe you get overboard a little.

683
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: Bit, you know, A would I tell you one thing,

684
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: Stephan Curry went.

685
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: From a mediocre defender to a better defender because of

686
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: Draymond Green, Lay Thompson, all those guys became better defenders

687
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: because of Draymond Green, andre Iagodalay. They learned how to

688
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: get away with all the antics, the grabing, whatever you

689
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: call it. So Draymond Green, man, it's just important that

690
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: Stephan Curry when it comes to that basketball and what

691
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 4: they accomplished as a team.

692
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 5: Dre, how do you without being a shooter like that,

693
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 5: how do you open up your game to get fifty balls.

694
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 2: Just Miller against Marion, another outside jumper, He's got fifty points.

695
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: Did you did you decide before that game?

696
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: You know what?

697
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: Once in my career, I'm just gonna shoot every time.

698
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: No, And what I do regret is that I didn't

699
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: shoot more facts because how often you gonna reach that point?

700
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, like.

701
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 4: I could have had sixty or seventy if I wanted

702
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: to play the selfish role. But I felt like it

703
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 4: was just it just flowed that way and it didn't

704
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: feel selfish.

705
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: It didn't feel selfish. It's just the way the game flowed.

706
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 4: I think my aggressiveness of you know what, I'm playing

707
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 4: against Jason Kidd. Man, I'm playing against Jason Kidd and man,

708
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 4: actually that team was the team that went to the finals.

709
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 4: And I think they went to the finals and lost

710
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 4: to the Heat. Maybe, but you know.

711
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: The year before they beat the Heat the next.

712
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: Year okay, yeah, But just.

713
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: Like I knew the thought process of a Jason Kidd,

714
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 4: a Jason Terry Barrera, you know, like, hey, they gonna

715
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 4: give you a couple of shots. You know what I'm saying,

716
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 4: because that's what I used to do with them. I

717
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: know Jay Kidd want to pass, but let me go

718
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: play some health defense and let me see if he

719
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: knocked down one or two of these threes and then

720
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: let me buckle down. So once I saw the way

721
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 4: that he was playing, you know, like, Okay, I know

722
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 4: Drake like the past, he ain't gonna really shoot early.

723
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, let me see if for a couple of

724
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: going early, and they did, and I'm like, you know what,

725
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 4: now they gotta play some more defense. And then it

726
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 4: was by that time it was just too late, and

727
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: you know, it just it just flowed.

728
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: And the good.

729
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 4: Thing about that game for me, I tell my friends, like, man,

730
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: I didn't even get tired.

731
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: I didn't get tired. I didn't get tired, man, And it.

732
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 4: Was all efficient and you know what, Like man, it

733
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: was like, man, I felt better after that game, Like

734
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, dang, Like I knew I could do that,

735
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 4: but dang, Like the last time I did something like

736
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 4: that was probably freshman year in high school. It was

737
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 4: only six players on the team.

738
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 5: Did that make you want to did that make you

739
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 5: want to revert back to scoring? Dud be for a

740
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 5: minute for a minute there where you were like a

741
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 5: score knew.

742
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: I knew my role. Man, I knew my role, and.

743
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 4: Even all my teammates, all the guys that I played with,

744
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: knew I can score. You know, it was just a

745
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: timing thing. But there's no way, man, Like I got

746
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 4: a lot of respect for these these scores. Like I say,

747
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 4: when you would scorer like an Alan Iverson, a Carmelo

748
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: or or Lebron or all the Stephen Curry, man, you

749
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: know how hard it is to do that every game,

750
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 4: Damian Lillard.

751
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: You know, and the and the defense is trying to

752
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 2: make it their keying in on you.

753
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 4: There's no way I would want to go out there

754
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 4: and shoot twenty five times a game.

755
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: There's no way twenty five thirty times a game.

756
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: Man, that's when you will see low management out of me,

757
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: because you know I'm definitely on it. You're only gonna

758
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 4: get about fifty five games, fifty five sixty games out

759
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: of me if I'm shooting twenty five thirty times. And

760
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: you know, I tell the story Sean Kemp. Sean Kemp

761
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 4: my rookie year, I think I had a triple double,

762
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 4: like twenty eight thirty something points like that, and Sean Kemp,

763
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 4: who I have a lot of respect for he told

764
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 4: me after the game. He was like, he was like,

765
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: young fella, you ain't gonna be doing that. You ain't

766
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: gonna be No, you ain't gonna be shooting the ball

767
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 4: like that over here.

768
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

769
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 4: But he said he gave me my profits, but out

770
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 4: of respect, he was like, you know, I'm that man,

771
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 4: I'm the guy.

772
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Get me the ball.

773
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 4: So I knew, you know, ay, I gotta make my

774
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 4: teammates around me better.

775
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 5: One more thing, real quick dealing. And it's a slight backtrack,

776
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 5: but I want to talk about the development of the

777
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 5: point guards right now, Dred, because I went down to

778
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 5: Peach Gym watched you know, I've been just been watching

779
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 5: videos and some high level point guards. What's up with

780
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 5: the hand fight? Now? The offhand is a whole little thing.

781
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 5: You can pull, you can push, you know what I mean.

782
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 5: It's like how we used to fight on the post.

783
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 5: I think, have you been noticing you coaching in the

784
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 5: G League now you're obviously watching a lot of NBA footage.

785
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 5: Have you picked up on what's going on with the

786
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 5: hand fight, what's going on with the offhand between guards?

787
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 5: Kyrie kind of introduced it, but now it seems out

788
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 5: they're not calling it right. It's actually all some of

789
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 5: it is actually an offensive foul. But what can you

790
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 5: speak to about like the offhand and the hand fighter.

791
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 5: What's going on in the point guard position now, particularly

792
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 5: on guys that aren't the six five six six point guard,

793
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 5: it's the six ones, the six to two. How important

794
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 5: because that's something I've been talking to Jay's about. How

795
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: important is knowing about that hand fight when it comes

796
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 5: to ball handling.

797
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's crazy, man, I don't I don't do

798
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: social media.

799
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: So I watched TikTok, you know what I'm saying. So

800
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: I'll be watching.

801
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 4: I'll be watching all these little videos of trainers, you know,

802
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 4: doing skill work and actually teaching the hand stuff, you know,

803
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 4: when they do a workout, teaching the moves you know,

804
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 4: you know, like the Steve Nash swipe down and all.

805
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: The hand stuff.

806
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: But but yeah, you can drill that, you can drill that,

807
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 4: and you can do skill work in that.

808
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: But when you watch.

809
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: Steve Nash or Kyrie Irvin or Stephen Curry or Marlberry

810
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: or Allan Iverson, all.

811
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: That is instinct. All that is instinct it's all. That's

812
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: all it is is instinct.

813
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: They not going out there saying, you know what, I'm

814
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: gonna put that hand I'm gonna get They don't want

815
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 4: they don't want that hand.

816
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: That's wasted energy. They're trying to do whatever.

817
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: They trying to do whatever they can to get past

818
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: they man. Now, yeah, Kyrie might mix it up a

819
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: little bit, because you know, Kyrie.

820
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: Have you beat on the first move all the time?

821
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: You know he got you beat on the first move.

822
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 4: But let me bring the ball back and so I

823
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: can bring it back and play with you a little

824
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 4: bit more. But everything with those guys, to me, when

825
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 4: I watch it, it's instincts now for a trainer to

826
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: go and try to teach that, like you know how

827
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 4: much like it's taken away from the game because now

828
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 4: these kids thinking that, you know what, I don drill

829
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 4: did a lot.

830
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: Let me go practice on it, and now it don't

831
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: look natural. It don't look natural. It's not natural.

832
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: So now you get the offensive files and all that

833
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 4: type of stuff. So you know, all our moves is

834
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 4: putting in being put in drill work.

835
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: That's what we need.

836
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: If you're on TikTok, you could be the leader of

837
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: this anti trainer movement, and you could just the one,

838
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: the one dribble combos that could be you.

839
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 4: Well, hey, I mean it's all it all comes to light.

840
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 4: If for the guys that you know make it from

841
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 4: high school to college, a coach is gonna say, you

842
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: know what, either shoot it, pass it, or or something.

843
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: You know, shoot it, pass it.

844
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 5: Isn't that George, isn't that. Isn't that Georgia's shit. Either

845
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 5: be shooting or be passing. Don't just let it get stuck.

846
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, shoot.

847
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: It's the reason why they what they call it the

848
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 4: point five rule, Greg Popovich. You got point five seconds

849
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 4: to make a decision. Shoot it, pass it, or drive it.

850
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: Now, the top two players, the top two players, the

851
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: James Hardens, the Kyriees of the world, the Lucas. They

852
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: could get into the mix. But guess what, everybody ain't

853
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: gonna be them. There's gonna be more role players than.

854
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 4: It is just the megastars. So find your niche shoot it,

855
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 4: pass it.

856
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: The driblet. Yeah.

857
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 4: Maybe every now and then you might find yourself on

858
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 4: one side of court. You get to throw that in there.

859
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 4: But all the time, you know, maybe, So.

860
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 5: How do you feel about Jayleen Brunson. I keep coming

861
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 5: back to Jalen Brunton the post game, playing off two feet,

862
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 5: not a lot of wasted movement. Yeah, he gets in

863
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 5: his bag when he gets in the garden and in

864
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 5: the school.

865
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: A reaction though, reaction.

866
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, how do you feel like like the Jalen

867
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 5: Brunson version of the point guard?

868
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: Man? Like he is a point guard. He is a point.

869
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 4: Guard, but like number one, I've seen him play up

870
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: close and I just got to go stand next to

871
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 4: him number one because I want to see his actual height.

872
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 4: And then also like you know, like he's got it

873
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 4: in his mind that he knows that he can be

874
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: an old school point guard, but he understands the new

875
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 4: version of basketball is for me to go get it,

876
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: for me to go get it and make it happen

877
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 4: and not wait on anybody. So he has the good

878
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: balance and he has the feel, and he mixed it

879
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 4: up a little bit. But guess what, he knows who

880
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 4: he is as a ballplayer. And that's why I think

881
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 4: he just got a contract right, a contract extension. And

882
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 4: everybody was saying, you know what, I wouldn't have passed

883
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 4: up on that hundred something million or whatever, and maybe

884
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't have passed on the two, but there's

885
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: probably a reason why. There's a reason why he probably

886
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 4: did it because he heed big time this year. He

887
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 4: had a severe peak and he carried a lot of

888
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: load and for his body like that, is that the

889
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: type of player that he thinks he can go do

890
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: that all the time because guess what, that's what people

891
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 4: are gonna be expected. And in his mind he probably thinks,

892
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 4: you know what, I can't be going out here doing

893
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: this all the time. Hey, yeah, I need my Julius Randall,

894
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: I need my Mikyle Bridges, I need all these guys.

895
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: I just really hit that, like I found the zone

896
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 4: and I carried it. But you could see how tired

897
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 4: and how he felt afterwards.

898
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: Facts and he's like he's like he's like sixty two,

899
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: not even he's like six to one.

900
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 7: If he can if he could replicate what he just

901
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 7: did this past season, if he can do that again,

902
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 7: then I'm putting him in the megastar category.

903
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 5: I might give him top two, top three pgs. If

904
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 5: he can do that ship that he did last year

905
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 5: this year while maintaining the winning I'm catapulted him into

906
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 5: the top currently.

907
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 4: You putting him in MVP category if he can do

908
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 4: that same thing again and probably top five point guards

909
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: in the league, make a star if he can do

910
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 4: it again.

911
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: And I'm saying to myself, you know what, he probably didn't.

912
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if he actually really want to do

913
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: that again. He gonna he gonna have his moments. He

914
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: gonna have his moments. But now that.

915
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 4: People don't see what he can do, there is an expectation.

916
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 4: There is an expectation now, and I think he got

917
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: good balance. He'll figure it out.

918
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he takes bumps. Hey, I'm a Knicks fan and

919
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: and that's that's that's what we say too. Like to

920
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: maintain that level of physicality at six' one and take

921
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: twenty five shots. Tonight it's a miracle that he that

922
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: he did it a full year in the.

923
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: Playoffs, yeah, yeah.

924
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: All, right, Man well this was. Amazing thank you so.

925
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: Much we're gonna be falling along the coaching journey for,

926
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: sure but thank you for your time and appreciate you working.

927
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 3: Through the technical. Difficulties this was a great.

928
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 5: One put The hall Of fame stop. Playing you heard

929
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 5: it here on for and see just Put Andre miller

930
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 5: in The hall Of, fame y'all letting everybody just go in.

931
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 5: There we how we're gonna forget About dre Mil you

932
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 5: heard the statistics Only Jason kidd And Gary payton And John.

933
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 5: Stockton who else do we need going to Put Dre

934
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 5: mill in The hall Of?

935
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 4: Fame thank, you guys, Man thanks for having, Me thanks

936
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 4: for having.

937
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Speaker 1: Me